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- 1:00three seven and joining us this morning our CJ Claus and Malia Quavis. CJ,
- 1:04how you doing this week? I'm doing great, John, although I
- 1:08hear we're supposed to get some more of that white powdery stuff like tonight or
- 1:14tomorrow morning, So if you could, you know, work on that something.
- 1:18How about we move the show. We'll just move the show, we'll
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- 1:26Malia, how are you doing this morning? Very good. We're happy to
- 1:30be here. It's great to have you along and we have got a great
- 1:34conversation ahead. You know, you're unlikely to win power Ball or Mega millions,
- 1:38but there's a chance you may come across inheritance and there's a lot to
- 1:41go through and soar through, both financial and also emotional with that, with
- 1:46that opportunity and with that, with that thing that comes along with things like
- 1:51Texas and other things. So we're gonna get into get into that with CJ
- 1:55and Malia and talk through some of the things to consider with that area.
- 1:57If you've got a question about retire, whether it's about inheritance or otherwise,
- 2:01it's a prime opportunity right now to get on the air six SOH eight three
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- 2:47the CLOSS Quiz Question the Week, let's take a look back at last week's
- 2:51program and get the question and the answer there as well. Maliah, Yeah,
- 2:54so last week Our question was true or false. Per the i R
- 3:00you must be taking begin taking your RMD or required minimum distribution from your retirement
- 3:06accounts by April first of the year following the year you turn seventy three.
- 3:12So true or false. Well, this was a great question for last week.
- 3:15We had several collins, but ironically our winner was one of our current
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- 3:30correct. And she was actually the first one so you could walk in and
- 3:35actually have the right answer. And this was Katie of Madison, So congratulations
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- 3:49As much we're gonna be talking about things that happen, kind of what goes
- 3:53on when it comes to inheriting money and of course dealing with the taxes and
- 3:57CJ. I gotta guess there is I know there's great detail in each week's
- 4:02program, but I guess this is one of those who we're probably going to
- 4:06just kind of scratch the surface. There's a lot to understand here, isn't
- 4:10there? There is a lot to understand. And yet it's important because I
- 4:15think the first question that we often hear when something is happening or has happened
- 4:19to a loved one or there is a potential inheritance, it's the first thing
- 4:24that people think is taxes, right, like, well, if I'm getting
- 4:28a bunch of money, it must all get blown up with taxes, and
- 4:30so there's just therefore it creates this kind of paralysis or uncertainty around what will
- 4:36happen as you receive those dollars. So we're going to get into all of
- 4:41that today as it relates to as it relates to an inheritance. But you
- 4:45know, it can be really stressful and emotional, and for many people there's
- 4:48also the reality that they may have this inherited money and how are they supposed
- 4:54to handle that? And what about their spouse and their children and all kinds
- 4:58of stuff. So to kind of set the stage, the Federal Reserve Board
- 5:00Survey of Consumer Finances reported that an average of roughly one point seven million households
- 5:08received an inheritance or receives an inheritance every single year. Of course, the
- 5:13amount of the inheritance varies quite widely. Now. Interestingly enough, the average
- 5:18inheritance in the United States is forty six two hundred dollars, and as we've
- 5:23talked about many times on this show, people are living longer, and so
- 5:28often beneficiaries will sometimes be surprised by the fact that the inheritance is lower because
- 5:33maybe mom and Dad needed to go into a long term care facility and it
- 5:36really spent down the estate before the inheritance came. So be cautious. So
- 5:42one thing we tell our clients is you can tell us about your parents or
- 5:46grandparents that are declining in age and health, and you can tell us how
- 5:48much you think you might inherit. But we're never gonna I shouldn't say never.
- 5:54Never say never, right, We rarely are going to plan on that
- 5:58as it relates to your personal finance plans, because there's just a lot of
- 6:00things that can blow up your expectations, including the fact that you could get
- 6:04disinherited, which is a whole separate topic. So today we want to offer
- 6:09some ideas of what to expect if this should happen to you. If you
- 6:14get the surprise that you are a beneficiary. So step number one, take
- 6:18time to grieve. Losing a parent or grandparent or any other family member is
- 6:25never easy. First things, First, catch your breath and then look to
- 6:29understand kind of what are the steps you need to take. Step number two,
- 6:33gain an understanding of the specifics of what you have inherited and the financial
- 6:40nuances associated with that inheritance. So here would be an example. Did I
- 6:45inherit a car? Did I inherit money in a checking account? Did I
- 6:49inherit part of an IRA, part of an annuity, part of a home
- 6:55that needs to be sold. Each one of those actually has potent, actually
- 7:00slightly different nuances associated with how you would receive that inheritance. Step number three,
- 7:08get an original. Well, get an original or a copy of the
- 7:13death certificate. You probably will need at least a couple of originals, but
- 7:16many times investment institutions, even sometimes life insurance institutions that only need a copy.
- 7:23But you're gonna probably end up needing some originals. So get some originals
- 7:27and then make some copies of those originals so that when it goes to actually
- 7:31claiming these different assets, you will have the appropriate documentation, and then step
- 7:38number four, contact a financial professional. Now notice we just said broadly financial
- 7:44professional. So that team of financial professionals could include a financial advisor, an
- 7:49accountant or CPA, and perhaps an estate planning attorney. Now, often the
- 7:55estate, so this would be the executor of the estate will have a lawyer
- 7:59that's helping to kind of settle the estate along with the executor. So that
- 8:03may just be the main lawyer you need to talk to or ask questions too,
- 8:07But outside of that, you're probably going to want to have an accountantor
- 8:09CPA and or financial advisor to help answer your questions like, Hey, my
- 8:15brother, who's the executive of the estake out the statement and said, I'm
- 8:18a benefit of you know, half a beneficiary of this annuity or of this
- 8:20IRA or this roth IRA. What do I do? Well, that's where
- 8:24you need a professional to be able to pause and say, here's how this
- 8:28will work. Really good guidance and information. As we set the stage this
- 8:31morning with CJ. Closs and Malia Quavis, our retirement planning professionals from Class
- 8:35Financial. Their website Class financial dot com that's k l aas financial dot com,
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- 9:18And to join CJ. Malia and myself love to hear from you this morning.
- 9:20I get to just pick up phone gives call six oh eight three two
- 9:22one thirteen ten. That's six oh eight three two one thirteen ten. You
- 9:28want to be cautious and you want to be careful when receiving money, We'll
- 9:31get the details from Malia and take your call next as money in motion,
- 9:35we have Coss Financial continues right here on thirteen ten WI B A and the
- 9:41phone lines are open for you right now at six oh eight three two one
- 9:45thirteen ten. That's six soh eight three two one thirteen ten. We'll get
- 9:48you right on the air with our retirement planning professionals from Class Financial, CJ.
- 9:52Claus and Malia Quavis. Don't forget about the website for Class Financial Class
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- 10:00they're telephone number six so eight four four two five six three seven. No
- 10:03charge for that initial gets to know you appointment Tech Loss Financial. It will
- 10:07be complimentary to you. Again, they're number six oh eight four four two
- 10:11five six three seven. So when we look at discuss you know, we
- 10:16learned that we're going to maybe receiving money. I've got to guess you've got
- 10:18to be be careful with this stuff, things like taxes and other areas when
- 10:24it comes to inheritance. You want to be you want to be careful.
- 10:26And there's some areas to in particular to be aware of, aren't there,
- 10:30Malaia, be aware of these things before this this potential gift might you know,
- 10:37show up at your doorstep. I think it really is good just to
- 10:39plant those seeds and so our first thing just to remind yourself of is resist.
- 10:46If you do receive an inheritance, resist the urge to spend it all
- 10:48at once. And we're saying this because of the experience that we have seen
- 10:56with people that receive money that they did not earn, and literally oftentimes that
- 11:01money just falls through their hands like water. They didn't earn it, they
- 11:07didn't feel the pain of saving it, and many, many times people do
- 11:11make poor decisions with once they receive it. So according to a study funded
- 11:16by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, actually one third of people who receive an
- 11:22inheritance spend all of it, and then they even dip into other savings in
- 11:24the first two years because they kind of get used to spending some money.
- 11:30So what we would say is halt do the opposite. Treat the inheritance as
- 11:35if it were your own money to start with. Now, some people are
- 11:37very good with this, So I just said a third spend through it quickly.
- 11:41There's probably another third that they're afraid to spend it because oh my gosh,
- 11:45mom and dad are watching me spend this money. So there's that,
- 11:48you know, that situation. But we look at it is remember that receiving
- 11:52an inheritance really is a blessing to you, so properly managing it to help
- 11:58maybe help you shore up your own debt or your own savings and then potentially
- 12:05helping your future retirement. We just want to make sure your situation and your
- 12:11inheritance is going to help you in the right way. So many times we'll
- 12:15work with beneficiaries of our current clients, for example, and they have siblings,
- 12:20and so what's right for you may be completely different than for your sibling.
- 12:26If we were to meet with a sibling who we've never met with,
- 12:28perhaps they have a whole lot of debt that needs to be taken care of.
- 12:33So that's why when CJ says, meet with a financial professional, we
- 12:37want to make sure that you're getting clear advice that pertains to your situation,
- 12:41because what's right for your sibling might not be right for you. So then
- 12:45the question, as we've been discussing, is oh, my goodness, are
- 12:48their taxes and on the inheritance I've just received, And that's usually the first
- 12:52question we hear kind of a panic and generally no, And we're going to
- 12:58go through those details in a minute. But you should understand that inheriting money
- 13:03from a friend or family member may not cost you a single dollar in federal
- 13:07income tax. So well, we're going to talk about estate taxes that are
- 13:11levied on the value of the deceased's assets after the debts have been paid.
- 13:16So if there's any debts that the person who passed away has at the time
- 13:22of death, their estate is going to be the amount of money they have
- 13:26in their minus whatever has to be paid out for final debts. So we
- 13:31want to review federal estate tax and this is a moving target as well.
- 13:37And what the US tax system does is they impose a tax on the deceedon's
- 13:41estate if the value exceeds a certain amount. So many listeners, this might
- 13:46not pertain to you. It's great if it does, I suppose, But
- 13:50the value of the estate in twenty twenty four would actually have to exceed thirteen
- 13:56point six one million dollars for that person, and only if an above if
- 14:01their estate was more than that. Potentially for a married couple, obviously there'd
- 14:07be twenty seven million. Those current limits, just a little side note,
- 14:13are perhaps going to expire the end of twenty twenty five. But just keep
- 14:18this in mind. Only if that estate is more than that amount, would
- 14:22you be facing potential taxation and so in other words, if the estate was
- 14:30fifteen million, for example, that extra two million that would be subject to
- 14:35federal estate taxes. It is pretty hefty. It's progressive scale, and the
- 14:39progressive scale actually goes up to as much as forty percent. So that's where
- 14:43we are engaging estate planning attorneys if you would have an estate in that size
- 14:48that you're dealing with. Another item to keep in context here is the annual
- 14:56gift exclusion. So this applies against that federal tax exemption and that is eighteen
- 15:01thousand in twenty twenty four. So this is where we've talked on previous shows,
- 15:07where you can gift money up to eighteen thousand to your children or to
- 15:13anybody, and that those dollar amounts are actually being reducing that federal estate number.
- 15:20I just spoke of the thirteen point six talking go Ahead talking this morning
- 15:24with CJ. Closs and Malia Quavis, our retirement planning professionals from Class Financial
- 15:28online Cossfinancial dot com. That's Class Klaas Financial dot Com. Malia mentioned there.
- 15:33We've just recently talked not a couple of shows ago, about the annual
- 15:37gift exclusion and you can get details and listen back to that podcast at Colossfinancial
- 15:43dot com and they're number six so eight four four two, five, six
- 15:46three seven. So, Malia, you mentioned federal estate tax. What about
- 15:50state? What do they say? Yeah, yeah, so you probably are
- 15:52not going to have to worry, hopefully about the federal estate tax affecting your
- 15:56inheritance. State taxes. Actually good news for our Wisconsin listeners. There is
- 16:03not in a state tax as of today. Things can always change, but
- 16:07Illinois does. Yay. Illinois state taxes graduated. It goes up to as
- 16:11much as sixteen percent, but it is only applied in the state's worth more
- 16:15than four million dollars. So not that you can choose exactly what day or
- 16:21what state you're living in at the time when you pass. But it's kind
- 16:23of interesting. And what we do see is that with each state setting their
- 16:27own inheritance tax rules, you know, many people say, well I live
- 16:33here, and when we see beneficiaries pass away, many times they also have
- 16:37properties in different states. So you might go, well, you know he
- 16:41lived here, but oh yeah, I forgot he had a second property in
- 16:45another state or two. So those things can come into place, so a
- 16:49lot to understand, but don't get too nervous when you hear, oh,
- 16:53I'm inheriting s massive it's such a fascinating topic in an amazing conversation as well.
- 17:00Don't forget if you miss any part of today's show, you can always
- 17:03listen back at classfinancial dot com. That's k l aas Financial dot com.
- 17:07Of course, you can learn more about Class Financial as well at the website.
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- 17:14No charge for that initial gets no you appoyment tech Class Financially. It will
- 17:17be complimentary to you again at number six oh eight four four two five six
- 17:22three seven. So maly CJ excuse me? So which items we think about
- 17:27tax liabilities? Are other certain items that we could inherit that we're going to
- 17:32want to be particularly keen on possible tax liabilities? So you know, Millie
- 17:38did a good job there of outlining these federal estate taxes and state of state
- 17:44taxes. And think of this as the value of everything that you have,
- 17:48including by the way, I don't know Elia got into this, but including
- 17:52like life insurance proceeds actually increase the value of your estate if they are owned
- 17:57by you and then paid to a beneficiary. So you may think, oh,
- 18:00no, I you know, I'm not worried about those those exemption amounts
- 18:04that Malia was talking about. They go, oh, what about the life
- 18:07insurance because sometimes there can be two three, four, five million dollars worth
- 18:11of life insurance that can bump you up over those over those levels, so
- 18:15be cautious. The states are the combination of your net worth plus your life
- 18:19insurance that is owned by you, and so that is that that is the
- 18:22extra tax that gets assessed to large estates depending upon how this this each of
- 18:30the states that you live and define it, or how the federal government defines
- 18:34it, which those numbers are quite high, as Mallia mentioned, but watch
- 18:37out, you can still get impact impacted by it. What I'm about to
- 18:41talk about is what is the individual tax treatment of different types of accounts within
- 18:48that a state. Right, So think you know, life insurance, cash,
- 18:52investments, properties, things like that. So the good news is that
- 18:57generally speaking, life and insurance pays income tax free to beneficiaries. So again
- 19:04back to the if I have a two million dollar life insurance policy and I
- 19:07am paying premiums on it, and then God forbid I die, that life
- 19:11insurance proceeds goes to my family or my beneficiaries income tax free. Now,
- 19:15if that life insurance bumps me up over those exemption amounts for the state of
- 19:21Illinois or for the federal government, then it could have a separate estate tax,
- 19:26but for income tax purposes. Cash, life insurance, after tax investments,
- 19:33stocks, properties generally speaking do not have tax consequences. So that's nice,
- 19:41right, you think about it, you go, whoa wait a minute.
- 19:42If I think of say my parents estate or my estate, there could
- 19:45be a fair amount of my estate that is comprised of those types of assets
- 19:51cash after tax investments, life insurance properties, so on and so forth,
- 19:56cars, all those things. Now, what some of you are thinking right
- 20:00now is wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, that can't be
- 20:03right, because my accountant told me that if I sell my rental property right
- 20:07now, I would pay a bunch of tax on it because of the depreciation
- 20:11that's happened in the background. So how is it that my beneficiaries when I
- 20:15die can get it with no tax? And the answer is that's called the
- 20:18step up, the step up provision. So non retirement assets, non retirement
- 20:23capital assets get a step up and basis upon death. That's the way it
- 20:27works right now. I will tell you this has been on the chopping block
- 20:30for Congress in the IRS for quite a while, and it could change at
- 20:33some point, but there's nothing that we're seeing right now in the docket that
- 20:37that's hotly debating this topic. So for now, those assets that if you
- 20:42sold while you were alive, would have a capital gains tax in the case
- 20:47of your death get a step up on basis now. Subsequent earnings on those
- 20:52inherited assets, of course, are not tax free. So if I take
- 20:56life insurance proceeds and put them in the stock market and they grow, well
- 21:00have to pay tax on that. Or if I take that property and don't
- 21:03sell it and then it grows from there and then I sell it later on,
- 21:07I'll have to pay taxes on that. But in the moment you receive
- 21:11it, there is generally not a tax on those assets. Talking this morning
- 21:15with CJ. Closs and Malli Equavis, our retirement planning professionals from Class Financial
- 21:18to website class Financial dot com that's k l aa S Financial dot Com and
- 21:22their telephone number six so eight four four two five six three seven, no
- 21:26charge for that initial gets to know the appoinment deck Claus Financial it is complementary
- 21:30to you. Again they're number six O eight four four two five six three
- 21:34seven. What about things like inherited accounts or annuities and those type of things
- 21:38CJ. What do we need to know in that world? Yeah, So
- 21:41again, as I mentioned at the beginning of this, we're separating between the
- 21:45state a state tax, so a state E s T A T E.
- 21:51It's state and estate, so between the state estate taxes and the federal estate
- 21:56taxes which are levied on larger estates based upon the com bind value of your
- 22:00net worth and life insurance that is owned by you. That is separate from
- 22:04the tax associated with each of the underlying individual assets that you are inheriting.
- 22:10What I just mentioned is that life insurance cash after tax investments. Properties generally
- 22:15do not have a income tax assessed with them when you receive them, which
- 22:19is pretty nice. However, inherited retirement accounts completely different bolloacs. So again,
- 22:26if you think of your estate as yeah, I've got some cash,
- 22:30life insurance, I've got some stocks, I've got a home, maybe one
- 22:33rental property, but I also have a million dollars in a retirement account,
- 22:36and good news. C J. And Malia said, as long as it's
- 22:38not over, you know, thirteen million dollars, there's no tax. That's
- 22:42not true. There is an income tax to your beneficiaries on pre tax retirement
- 22:48accounts because when you put the money into that account, you got a tax
- 22:52deduction. It has then been growing tax deferred, and maybe you're old enough
- 22:56now that you have minimum distributions coming out of that. But if there's money
- 23:00left over and you pass away, those beneficiaries don't get to get a step
- 23:03up in those retirement assets. So unlike a rental property or an after tax
- 23:08stock that gets a step up, retirement accounts do not get a step up.
- 23:12Therefore, your beneficiaries will have to pay income taxes. Now, the
- 23:18purpose of the show is not to get deep into the weeds on some of
- 23:21those provisions. I will just generally say if that happens, now, if
- 23:26your spouse inherits it, they can usually just take it over there as their
- 23:30own. But if adult children, or if you know, friends or family
- 23:36members whatever it might be, inherit, that generally they have to get the
- 23:38money out of those retirement accounts, whether it be a wroth account or a
- 23:41pretax account, within ten years. Now they might have an RMD along the
- 23:47way, they might not. That depends on what's called the required beginning date.
- 23:49But the idea being, if I leave a retirement account that I have
- 23:53not yet paid the tax on to my beneficiaries, under most circumstances, they
- 23:57will have to get that money out within ten years and it will be income
- 24:02taxable to them. And finally, the last kind of anomaly here has inherited
- 24:08annuities, because people say, well, hey, the money I put into
- 24:11that annuity maybe was non qualified or after tax money, and I put one
- 24:17hundred grand into the annuity, and now it's worth two hundred grand and so
- 24:19CJ. From what I heard you say, that means they get a step
- 24:22up on the annuity when when I die. Nope, wrong again. So
- 24:27annuities are a weird beast where if you put after tax money into an annuity
- 24:32and it's been deferred over all of these years, and you got one hundred
- 24:34thousand dollars worth of growth inside of that thing that you've never paid tax on,
- 24:38that growth will be treated a lot like a retirement account. Now it
- 24:45doesn't have to come out within ten years like a retirement account, but it
- 24:48does have to get paid. This is what are called stretch annuity provisions and
- 24:52boil boy, does it get really complicated. So not going to go into
- 24:56detail on that, as much as you need to know. Unqualified inherited annuities
- 25:02with untaxed gain will have to be taxed or will have to be The tax
- 25:06will have to be paid by the beneficiary over some period of time in the
- 25:10future. So you can see everybody who's listening right now should be going ooh
- 25:15man, it sounded so simple when you began, and now it's getting complicated.
- 25:19Yes, unfortunately it is complicated. That's why we said you will need
- 25:23to talk to an advisor or an accountant or CPA to help you through this.
- 25:26It's like when you look at a car you think that thing is so
- 25:30simple, and then you pop the hood and you're like, oh my goodness,
- 25:32it is super complicated. That's right. You go, I want to
- 25:34get a nice car, and then you pop the head. You go,
- 25:37I don't even know where the battery is on this thing. Exactly exactly.
- 25:41CJ Class and Willia Klaym's of course our retirement planty professionals from Class Financier.
- 25:45We'll continue our conversation with Malia and CJ. We're going to talk about let's
- 25:48say you inherited retire i'm an account and how does that process work. Also,
- 25:53maybe you got a house, maybe it's got a mortgage that you inherited.
- 25:56We'll find out the details from CG and Malia next as Money in Motion
- 26:00with COSS Financial continues right here on thirteen ten WI b A and the website
- 26:08colss financial dot com. That's k l aa S Financial dot com. They're
- 26:12telephone number six O eight four four two five six three seven. No charge
- 26:17for the initial get toin know your appointment tech lost Financial. It will be
- 26:19complimentary to you again the number six O eight four four two five six three
- 26:23seven. Talking this morning about inheritance and what you need to know when it
- 26:29comes to uh, when it comes to this stuff and it is we were
- 26:33kind of talking that last segment about some of the different different taxation on different
- 26:38assets and other things. What about as you're inheriting some retirement accounts, what
- 26:42is that process? And let's say you inherit like a four oh one K
- 26:45or an IRA. What's kind of that first that first step CJ. Yeah,
- 26:51So generally speaking, and again I'm gonna warn you, we are touching
- 26:55the tip of the iceberg, as you mentioned at the beginning of the show,
- 26:57Sean, So there's these bigture items that we want to make sure people
- 27:00understand. As it relates to Hey, unless your estate is really really big,
- 27:06you're probably going to avoid some of those those federal estate taxes if you
- 27:10die in the year twenty twenty four. But then you start getting down into
- 27:12the nuances of what is it that I'm actually inheriting, and then the tax
- 27:18treatment starts getting more complicated. But one of the big categories that could be
- 27:22in the estate of somebody of somebody that you're inheriting or a beneficiary of,
- 27:29would be retirement accounts. So think pre tax four one ks or pre tax
- 27:33iras or even for that matter, wroth iras or wroth for a one case.
- 27:37So if you are a beneficiary of those, under most circumstances, what
- 27:41you're going to need to do is open up a beneficiary or inherited IRA so
- 27:45that the money can be transferred into the new account to preserve its tax deferred
- 27:52status. So what we mean by this is if it's any sizeable dollar amount,
- 27:56you're generally not going to want to say to to the company that holds
- 28:00that, yeah, just send me a check, because if you do that
- 28:03and it's a pre tax account and you inherit, say one hundred thousand dollars
- 28:07or even fifty thousand dollars, that is going to stack right on top of
- 28:11your income for the year and could increase your marginal income tax rates. It
- 28:17could cause other taxes and penalties that you're unaware of. And so most of
- 28:21the time, even if you decide to liquidate it a year later, most
- 28:26of the time you're going to want to open up a beneficiary slash inherited DIRA
- 28:30to preserve its tax deferred status. Because once it goes into that, don't
- 28:34worry, it's not locked up. These inherited accounts do not have age fifty
- 28:40nine and a half as they're controlling age. If you're forty years old and
- 28:44you decide, I don't know what's going on, I'm going to put one
- 28:45hundred grand of inheritance into an inherited DIRA. A year later, you could
- 28:51pull it all out and there's no penalty. You avoid the penalty because of
- 28:53its inherited diray status, even though you're not fifty nine and a half.
- 28:57So again, can I not encourage you enough? Most of the time,
- 29:02the first step that you should take is to set up that inherited account and
- 29:06then deal with your account or advisor around how much you'll take out each year
- 29:10over the next ten years. Again, remember, if you're a spouse,
- 29:12that whole ten year requirement does not apply to you. But if you're a
- 29:17non spouse who is I'll just say generally an adult under most circumstances, you
- 29:22will have to get it out within ten years, and you may have a
- 29:25minimum distribution along the way as well. Did the Scure Act change anything here?
- 29:30CJ? Yeah, so it did? I mean really the Secure Act
- 29:33it consists of twenty nine provisions that deal with several aspects of retirements and savings
- 29:38plans, including required minimum distributions that we talked about I think last week,
- 29:41Sean, and so there's a lot of things that have changed this. But
- 29:47for those who are listening, many of you may know you may say,
- 29:49what is this whole ten year thing? I have an inherited retirement account that
- 29:52I've had for thirty years, So it used to be prior to the Secure
- 29:56Act that actually, if you inherit it as say a child, that you
- 30:00could stretch out the deferral over your life expectancy. Now it was a different
- 30:06table that had a more accelerated distribution, but it didn't matter. It was
- 30:10a really long distribution pattern, so you would have a minimum distribution that came
- 30:14out, but you could keep it twenty thirty, forty years, which is
- 30:17really cool. Well, if you know, a lot of the enhancements in
- 30:19the Secure Act were benefits to taxpayers, meaning they get huge financial benefits out
- 30:26of it. And if you know what's happening with our federal government, they
- 30:29got a fair amount of debt and so they had to figure out, how
- 30:30are we going to pay for all of these enhancements, And the answer was,
- 30:34I We'll just force out the money faster from retirement accounts. And by
- 30:37doing so, if you think about it, it means the irs is getting
- 30:41their tax money faster. So this is one of the negative impacts of the
- 30:45Secure Act I will call it, is that it forces you to get money
- 30:49out faster, which forces you to pay tax, which many times forces you
- 30:53to pay tax when you're younger and earning income, which means the tax is
- 30:57higher. So I encourage you enough. Unfortunately, what seems like a simple
- 31:03concept, which is they just shortened up the distribution schedule on inherited iras,
- 31:07has a boatload of complexity and planning that goes along with it if you're going
- 31:14to do it the right way. So just remember the Secure Act kind of
- 31:18eliminated the ability to stretch out the deferral over your lifetime. And so said
- 31:22another way, if you've inherited an IRA on or after January first of twenty
- 31:27twenty, you must withdraw all the assets from the inherited account within ten years.
- 31:33And there are three possible strategies to consider based on your situation. You
- 31:38know, one is withdraw all the assets evenly over ten years. Another option
- 31:42would be to wait until the end of the ten year period and then withdraw
- 31:47everything. But that's, by the way, that is only an option to
- 31:51you if the owner of that retirement account didn't reach their required beginning date.
- 31:56More on the Heaton Collie you have a question of questions about that. Option
- 32:00Number three would be to make irregular withdrawals over the ten year period. If
- 32:05the owner didn't reach their RBD, which could just be one year you take
- 32:08out half, five years later you take out the other half. You get
- 32:10the idea just has to all be out by the end of the tenth year.
- 32:15Fantastic stuff this morning from CJ. Closs and Malia Quavis. And before
- 32:17we get to the Gloss Quiz question the week, Malia, I know some
- 32:21folks are probably wondering about this. You inher at a house it's got a
- 32:23mortgage. How does that inheritance affect your own estate? Inherit the How if
- 32:30the house comes with a mortgage, you also inherit the mortgage repayment, so
- 32:36the bank actually has the right to request the payment of the loan in full
- 32:38from the beneficiary. Ideally you'll have enough assets from outside of the house to
- 32:44pay off then home, so you can inherit it in full, but be
- 32:46aware of that and you will want to contact the mortgage servicer. And you
- 32:52know, quite honestly, many times we just see people sell the home to
- 32:54pay off the mortgage and distribute the leftover fund. So you've got some choices
- 32:59there, but you can't just say by. Some people actually ask us,
- 33:01oh, so they passed away, So is that debt forgiven? It's like,
- 33:06hmmm, no, let's not forgive forgiven. And finally, we just
- 33:09want to tell our listeners receiving inheritance for yourself should be a good reminder to
- 33:15review or actually create your own estate plan. Keep that in mind. If
- 33:20you don't have plans in order, a good idea would be to sit down
- 33:23with your financial advisor, your state planning attorney to figure out do I have
- 33:29a will, do I need a trust, and do I have power of
- 33:31attorney documents in place? All of these are really important and as you're working
- 33:36through it inheriting money, keep in mind someday someone might be inheriting your fun
- 33:40so you want to make sure that your strategy is laid out as well.
- 33:44I feel like every week at the start of the show, we should remind
- 33:45people to that, Yeah, it's something you really encourage and those are really
- 33:52important documents. As we talked this morning with CJ. Class and Malia Quavis,
- 33:54our retirement planning professionals from Claus Financial. The website class financial dot com
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- 34:22number as well, because it's time now for the Closs Quiz Question the Week.
- 34:24It works like this. In just a moment, I'll ask you the
- 34:27class Quiz question the week. You will then have thirty minutes from the and
- 34:29today's program to call the COSS Financial Office right here in Madison at six oh
- 34:32eight four four two five six three seven. If you are the first correct
- 34:36answer, win this week's prize, which is a twenty five dollars gift card
- 34:39to Dix Sporting Goods. This week's class Quiz question Week, is this true
- 34:45or false? If you are a non spouse beneficiary and you inherited an IRA
- 34:51after January first, twenty twenty, you must draw out the entire account within
- 34:57ten years. Is that true? Or is that FAU telephone number six oh
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- 35:12c jmlay you guys have a fantastic day. Thanks. This is Money in
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