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Guest Appearance on Biblical Hitmen · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What's going to happen? What all right? What's up everyone?
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  Speaker 2: And welcome back to the Biblical hit Man. It's your host, Steven.
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  Speaker 2: My two co hosts are unfortunately not going to be
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  Speaker 2: with me this episode tonight, but joining us for the
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  Speaker 2: first time is Nick with the Occult Rejects. He is
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  Speaker 2: the host of the Occult Rejects. He's got an awesome show.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a bunch of different panelists that come on
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  Speaker 2: the show man. Thank you, Oh, thank you very much.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, Yeah, this is going to be a fun show.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry for the disclaimer, man, because people will at first
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  Speaker 2: get the first their impression of occult rejects. You know,
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  Speaker 2: they can interpret that many different ways. And the audience,
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  Speaker 2: which I love them very much, it could be quick
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  Speaker 2: with the trigger a little bit, which I'm all about.
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  Speaker 2: Shoot first, don't get me wrong. But for the folks
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  Speaker 2: that aren't familiar with your work, where can they find
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  Speaker 2: your content and all that.
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  Speaker 3: On all major podcasts? Uh bit?
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  Speaker 1: Shoot rumble YouTube, I do stream live to Twitch and
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  Speaker 1: h and Facebook. I do stream live. We're also on
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  Speaker 1: Facebook and we have a Facebook group.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, awesome man.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome, So rumble.
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  Speaker 1: If I mentioned that I might have forgot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. Rumble seems to be one of
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  Speaker 2: those platforms that I may be kind of needing to
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  Speaker 2: create a channel on as well, because.
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  Speaker 1: That one I think is kind of worth it is it, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: is a little You can only load a two gig videos,
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  Speaker 1: so you got to compress everything. It's just oh really yeah,
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  Speaker 1: Rumble will take like up to fifteen I think of twenty.
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  Speaker 2: So it's like, I, oh, okay, that's not too bad man,
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  Speaker 2: So so real quick man. Your show the Occult Rejects,
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  Speaker 2: I've enjoyed. I'm new to your show. I've enjoyed many
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  Speaker 2: of those kinds of topics to yours. It's okay, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I've I think when I first joined in
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  Speaker 2: which you've worked with a few friends of mine, Bennett
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  Speaker 2: with Broadcasting Siege and Doc Brown with Prometheus Lens podcast,
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  Speaker 2: which I've seen both of them on your show, and
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  Speaker 2: some interesting topics. I know Doc got on your show
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  Speaker 2: talked about the elongated skulls, the paracae skulls and stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. And when Bennett was on your show, I
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  Speaker 2: think you guys were getting into pyramids what they may
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  Speaker 2: have been used for. And I mean one of the
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  Speaker 2: dudes that was on the panel, which I think is
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  Speaker 2: pretty cool. I've yet to see it a platform like that,
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  Speaker 2: having multiple panelists on talking about a subject. But it
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  Speaker 2: seemed to be like they were trying. They were describing
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  Speaker 2: how the Pyramids may have been, you know, big energy
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  Speaker 2: amplifiers or something that was crazy. Yes it was crazy, man,
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  Speaker 2: but I think that, Yeah, what's your what's your show about?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, when it started off, it was basically
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  Speaker 1: kind of like focusing on occultism. The co host at
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  Speaker 1: the time that I was working with then was a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more focused on like like covering orders or
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how to put this, but like almost
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  Speaker 1: like like shock value type things like oh, that's the
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  Speaker 1: bad guy, which I mean, is is justified. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: we did some great work I think on the Jesters
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  Speaker 1: and the Shriners, you know that I'm proud of. It
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  Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're all screwed up people, but who used
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  Speaker 1: to kind of cover like a lot of things like
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  Speaker 1: showing oh, there's ocultism in there and it's probably bad
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  Speaker 1: this and that, and you know it probably is. But eventually,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the idea of the show was to try
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  Speaker 1: to like you know, explain occultism and like break down,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, it's not always bad, that's in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: you know. So we wanted to kind of show like
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  Speaker 1: I guess, you know, the positive stuff and point out
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  Speaker 1: like how you could be negatively manipulated, you know, both
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  Speaker 1: sides to it. And at the beginning it just seemed
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  Speaker 1: like kind of one sided. And eventually when meaning that
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  Speaker 1: co host kind of split off, I wanted to keep
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  Speaker 1: the show going, so I just like started using different people.
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  Speaker 1: I just kind of go want more into covering the occult.
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  Speaker 1: I started going more into science with the occult because
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  Speaker 1: that was something I wanted to do from the beginning.
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  Speaker 1: It is of my opinion that there is a lot
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  Speaker 1: of occult symbolism and occult stuff that actually goes back
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  Speaker 1: back to the eyeball, the brain, blood, the spirit leaving
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  Speaker 1: the body. There's a lot of stuff, and I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to start getting into that. So I ended up kind
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  Speaker 1: of like working with other people to try to do
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  Speaker 1: their different things and ended up realizing that I just
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  Speaker 1: kind of started growing like a group of people that
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  Speaker 1: were there for different specialties. You know. I have one girl, Lisa,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she's like getting her PhD. But like she's
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  Speaker 1: there for like physiology and science, like a girl's of
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  Speaker 1: genius when it comes to that. You know, I got
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  Speaker 1: like my boy headless Giant. He's really good on Greek
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  Speaker 1: and Roman stuff and Catholicism, and Gen's really good on
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  Speaker 1: like his you know, Japanese or Asiana Buddhism stuff. But
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  Speaker 1: like you know, we got a bunch of different people
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  Speaker 1: and now we're kind of focusing on a whole lot
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  Speaker 1: of things because in my opinion, when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: occultism and magic, I think that actually encompasses a lot
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  Speaker 1: of stuff. Like you were talking about the Pyramids, I
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  Speaker 1: think some of that science and technology because people don't
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  Speaker 1: understand it, and some of it, I'll be totally honest
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  Speaker 1: with you, it was almost very basic if you actually understood
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  Speaker 1: what was going on.
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  Speaker 3: People don't understand it.
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  Speaker 1: It's been a culted like in a sense, like I
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  Speaker 1: think that actually part of the reasons why I think
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  Speaker 1: it's being covered up is because I think when you'd
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  Speaker 1: realize how this stuff works, it's almost like kind of
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  Speaker 1: like science and that science magic is almost being like
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  Speaker 1: explained to you, Like you'd have to start thinking about
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  Speaker 1: other things and just thinking this world isn't exactly what
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  Speaker 1: it is, and I do think it very teeters on magic.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're doing things with frequencies, you know, changing
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  Speaker 1: things through sound. All that stuff I do think kind
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  Speaker 1: of does all full under magic. So like we may
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  Speaker 1: cover like you know, like you said you saw the Pyramids. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to a place myself tomorrow to go film
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  Speaker 1: it because it's supposed to be extremely old.
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  Speaker 3: It's in Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: It's like in a park, but yet it's got like
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  Speaker 1: drill holes and you can tell the rocks are cut.
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  Speaker 1: So like if you're telling me this is really that old?
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  Speaker 1: Like this, what's up with this? So like somebody a
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  Speaker 1: few people are gonna go there and start filming it
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  Speaker 1: and it's really fuck you know, so like stuff like that,
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  Speaker 1: Uh you know I do.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: We had Isshton Forbes on recently, and the reason why
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  Speaker 1: I had him on besides being a big name, him
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  Speaker 1: even talking about this stuff that the government's using, like
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  Speaker 1: the type of government technology and like you know, possible
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  Speaker 1: portal or like non gravity and all that stuff. I
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  Speaker 1: even think all that stuff in a sense starts teetering
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  Speaker 1: into accult science.
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  Speaker 3: And a cult magic. But I mean so like we
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  Speaker 3: we could cover.
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  Speaker 1: One episode could be about the cabbala, the next the
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  Speaker 1: next episode could be about water, the next episode could
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  Speaker 1: be about like we've you've covered stuff on birds, because
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  Speaker 1: I do think that's the stuff about them that we
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  Speaker 1: covered in that show is kind of a reason why
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  Speaker 1: they're used for a cult symbolism. Their eyes see differently.
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  Speaker 1: There's certain birds now that when they see the sun.
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  Speaker 1: The reason why they're making noises the morning chorus of
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  Speaker 1: the dring Chorus was the name of the episode, is
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  Speaker 1: because they can actually hear the sun with their eyes
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  Speaker 1: and they're tweeting back or you know whatever, back the
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  Speaker 1: sound that they're hearing, you know, And it's just like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, do people actually know that that is
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  Speaker 1: going on? You know what I'm saying. It's like weird science,
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  Speaker 1: and like they just things with birds see differently, see
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  Speaker 1: more than humans do. And I guess basically what I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting at is that a lot I've started noticing that
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  Speaker 1: a lot of bees dear, just a lot of animals
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  Speaker 1: that are always used for a cult symbolism. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of them, especially a scorpion. You may not know the
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  Speaker 1: whole shell of a scorpion is retina. The whole body
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  Speaker 1: sees something is up with why you have these things
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  Speaker 1: with special eyes. They seem to be the common things
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  Speaker 1: that always popping up to being used in the cult symbolism.
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  Speaker 1: So like that's why we we even covered stuff, weird
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  Speaker 1: stuff about birds. But I mean, like we do we
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  Speaker 1: jump all over the place, you know, taro one week,
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  Speaker 1: then we could have true crime that's covering a cult,
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  Speaker 1: you know, And then again that would be the way
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  Speaker 1: of showing you like, this is how people get manipulated.
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  Speaker 1: This is how you know sick people, do you know?
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  Speaker 1: That's why I recovered that this is a reminder you
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  Speaker 1: know there's sick people out there using magic to manipulate.
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  Speaker 2: People, right, right, And so I mean my my knowledge
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  Speaker 2: of things pertaining to the occult, and it's based off
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  Speaker 2: of pretty much certain books that I've I've read, you know,
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  Speaker 2: either by Tom Horn, Gary Wayne, you know, Isaac Wisop.
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  Speaker 2: You know, they've they've referenced a lot of occultist, right
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  Speaker 2: I would say, renowned occultists where you know Elana Boblotsky,
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  Speaker 2: Alice Bailey, you know Crowley, Jack Parsons, on and on
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  Speaker 2: and on, right, Like these are like the major leaguers.
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  Speaker 2: But one of the.
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  Speaker 1: Funny thing is is that you sorry to interrupt you,
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  Speaker 1: but let's say they are like like you would consider
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  Speaker 1: them like almost like neo, Like they're so new in it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like nobody looks before them, and if you're sort
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  Speaker 1: of looking at the people before them, you'd see that
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  Speaker 1: they completely rip them off. It's just like the wildest
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  Speaker 1: thing because like even though those people are already dead,
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  Speaker 1: it's like those are like those are just the last
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  Speaker 1: famous names of the less hundreds of thousands of years
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  Speaker 1: of magicians that came before them, You know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: It's just you know, people, if you look before Crowleyan,
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  Speaker 1: before Parsons, that other alchemists, you'll see exactly where a
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  Speaker 1: lot of that are working from.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, Yeah, and especially too right, like looking
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  Speaker 2: back in history when you see the Egyptian Empire, Romans, Greeks,
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  Speaker 2: uh Mesopotamians, on and on and on, that it seemed
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  Speaker 2: to be that magic or occult practices was a part
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  Speaker 2: of the elite's lifestyle or something like that. At least
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  Speaker 2: I would say that because of the mystery schools in
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  Speaker 2: the way that they keep these things in secrets, see
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  Speaker 2: that the only ones that really knew how to practice
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  Speaker 2: these certain things were to be like the elites back
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  Speaker 2: in the day.
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  Speaker 1: The elites would pay people to actually they would be
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  Speaker 1: a patron and they they'd hire a cult this and
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  Speaker 1: pay them and be like, yeah, I want to try
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  Speaker 1: to do this in that figure it out.
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  Speaker 3: Like they literally would do that back then.
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  Speaker 2: Well, almost like paying a fortune teller right in a
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  Speaker 2: way to hey, you know, get this done for me
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  Speaker 2: or help me out with this. Yeah, the people with
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  Speaker 2: that kind of secret scientific knowledge or whatever. Because I
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  Speaker 2: think there is a science behind it. And again I
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  Speaker 2: don't I don't. I don't advocate for practicing these certain
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  Speaker 2: things because at least from what I know biblically that
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  Speaker 2: it seems to be there could be a lot of
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  Speaker 2: deceiving entities that are behind these certain things and rule
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  Speaker 2: in like these dark rulers within or behind the curtain,
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  Speaker 2: if that makes any sense. Well, and I think it
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  Speaker 2: plays along with what you were saying, where you know,
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  Speaker 2: at Crowley and all these guys, they seem to rip off,
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  Speaker 2: you know, or or tarnish what maybe people before them
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  Speaker 2: were doing that were involved with magic or whatever. And
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  Speaker 2: and it seemed like they there, they were more sinister
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  Speaker 2: with their plans.
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  Speaker 1: Even if you staw looking at the people that they
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  Speaker 1: ripped off in their work, they were very open about
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  Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. You start looking at these
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  Speaker 1: new ones and it's all either ciphered or it's just
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  Speaker 1: like you can't even it's not even being handed to
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  Speaker 1: you for you to understand the way it's supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be understood, right, almost like we're going to hand you
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  Speaker 1: in a way that you do something horrible something good.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So with this, So from what I've read, at
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  Speaker 2: least from Isaac Wisop's UFOs, Aliens and the Occult. This
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  Speaker 2: is a book he wrote, but in there he talks
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  Speaker 2: about the Kabbalah. But then he also talks about the
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  Speaker 2: dof right d a a th h or I forget
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  Speaker 2: the clip clip off, the clip both right. Okay, So
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  Speaker 2: tell me a little bit about about those two distinctions.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the clipoff is supposed to be like the negative tree. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: you have the tree of life, the cabalistic tree of life.
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  Speaker 1: Doth is like a newert. It's kind of a newer
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  Speaker 1: sphere on there that it normally originally had. Ten Doth
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  Speaker 1: is the eleventh and it's not like a kind of
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  Speaker 1: right below the supernal trier the first three on the top.
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: My opinion, that's edded dad, because that's the understanding of
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  Speaker 1: both sides. Now, like you that one doesn't apply it
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  Speaker 1: until you cross the abyss and come back in my opinion,
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  Speaker 1: but the clipoff is just a reflection. I'm not even
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  Speaker 1: really huge into the clipoff because I think people it's
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  Speaker 1: misunderstood and people like take it the wrong way and
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  Speaker 1: get lost when they're not supposed to be. Like really,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people I think end up putting more
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  Speaker 1: chains on them removing them. That's just my opinion. The
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  Speaker 1: clipoff is more of kind of like the negative side
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  Speaker 1: of the tree that shows you like well, like I
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  Speaker 1: guess the demonic aspect or like that's how people would
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  Speaker 1: put it my opinion. It's just like what part of
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  Speaker 1: your brain makes you a piece of shit, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to contrary to popular belief, you're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: like destroy these things and become free. Most people think,
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  Speaker 1: I guess when they hear the clipoff, you're just automatically
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  Speaker 1: evoking demons to go ass rape someone. I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: but from how I know that it's supposed to be used.
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  Speaker 1: You're supposed to render your demons and destroy it so
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  Speaker 1: you can have an experience with God. That is kind
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  Speaker 1: of the clipoff is like showing you, like the negative
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  Speaker 1: aspects that you could use and positive like that that
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  Speaker 1: is associated with it to kind of give you to
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  Speaker 1: use characters that have personalities that kind of give you
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  Speaker 1: an idea of what you're dealing with. I mean, like
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  Speaker 1: a title maybe yeah, yeah, it's tell you the truth,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't it sound crazy? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: That?
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  Speaker 1: Or it's like tell you it's gonna sound crazy. Be
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  Speaker 1: the same thing as a radio station. It's a frequency
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  Speaker 1: that you're giving a name to a opinon. You know,
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  Speaker 1: either this is Z one hundred or this is K rock.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's it's just you're just
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  Speaker 1: trying to give a description to something that's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit different. Yeah, a lot of my opinion, Like again,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people if they're using the cliple, if
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  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be using it to do it can
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  Speaker 1: shat or work, which is supposed to like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: work on yourself to become a better person. Try to
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  Speaker 1: figure out, like what gets you fearful and angry? And
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  Speaker 1: try to work on that stuff. Unfortunately, though, when I've
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  Speaker 1: seen most people, you know, magicians that do that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: more than half of them normally like feed the demons
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  Speaker 1: more than actually getting rid of them. Unfortunately, just just
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  Speaker 1: that happens.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So when there there, it seems to be too
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  Speaker 2: something with the occult. It seems to be like there's
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  Speaker 2: this duality to it. What do you think this duality
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  Speaker 2: is or why does it exist?
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  Speaker 1: Uh? My opinion, I think the duality when it comes
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  Speaker 1: down to magic and this is just my opinion, and
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  Speaker 1: it all goes back to really you could boil it
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  Speaker 1: down to electricity and magnetism. So you're gonna have something
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  Speaker 1: that's a projective for and something that's receiving for us,
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  Speaker 1: or something that like pulls in.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so something similar to like a ying and a yang.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, yes, very much or yeah, or like even a pendulum.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to swing back the other way at some
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  Speaker 1: point you another direct gotcha?
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  Speaker 2: Gotcha? And it's like when I think of these things too, right,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like just as a Christian, I think of
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  Speaker 2: the Garden of Eden, I think about I think about
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and evil because
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: that's the only thing that I see, at least in
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: the beginning when things kind of got somehow jacked up,
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: that there was this this tree of duality that is
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: the one who's guilty of, you know, causing man to
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: fall right in this idea, and and that that person
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: in the Bible is the serpent. Right. But then there's
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: a multiple titles we don't really know exactly, like the
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: name you know, Satan, Lucifer the devil, but is what's
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: what are your thoughts with, you know, Lucifer and his involvement,
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: you know, the occult. Is this just a fictitious thing
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: that people make up?
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Or I think it's again, it's like a it's like
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: a name given to an experience or something that's happening.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: My opinion this might sound harsh a little bresh, but
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: I think as long as you have your eyes open
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: and you're in love with the world, that you're in
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: your under Lucifer's control. If you're in love with something
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: besides having an experience with God, you're in Lucifer's control.
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: He's giving you bling, bling stuff to fall in love
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: with and forget about God.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: Right right, I mean, it seems to be a characteristic right,
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: that that he has that that he in some way,
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: shape or form. And I think that's why a lot
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: of these these at least the bloodlines. And I don't
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: know if you dug too deep into this, but uh,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: you know, the bloodlines as far as these elites, these
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: these families, you know, apparently there's like this black nobility
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: that maybe running and controlling everything. As far as that
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: and the fact that they they have everything that they've
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: ever wanted of the world, right, what do you think
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: like they're getting in return?
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: I think some of them by just magno maniac.
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I also because you can't deny right like that
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: these people are I think if you're just more believers,
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: maybe right.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: But I think some people though that might have the
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: money in the time, are just like I could just
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: be an answer and get away with it and do
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: it like it could just be that's sick. But uh,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, I there's a couple of reasons. Sometimes. I
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: do think like some of them that are in the
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: know might like think there's like certain like kind and
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: that sound like some doomsday call, but maybe there's like
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: certain things that they think may happen in the future
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: and they want to make sure they're prepared or to
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: try to like maybe like let's say this is a possibility,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: because like I'm not saying this is real. Which this
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: is an example. I can't remember what two planets it
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: was so far, but plans to flipped ringing the poles
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: have flip if the next one flips, I mean, I
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: hate to say, we're probably all going to flip and
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: we're gonna die. Uh if Mars eventually does it, then
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: we're just gonna sit here and wait, like when is
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: it happening to us?
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: But like there are people who think that they.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Can somehow survive that, you know, or is there some
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: people that might want to build technology thinking they can
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: stop the poll from shifting? You know.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: So interesting and I think too, that's funny you bring
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: that up.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: Because just any situation, you know.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's called what the Adam and
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: Eve project or something like that or something like that.
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: I think it was Jeremy Corsetti was talking about it
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: on Joe Rogan's show, where there's this concept of the
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: poles flipping, and with you bringing up the fact that
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: it could be like this where it would be this cataclysm,
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: it just makes me think of all of the underground
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: bunkers that these elites are building and getting ready for whatever,
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: you know, And there's a lot of propaganda out there
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: right Like there's a you know, comments out there, Apofice, there's.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: Alpous Rex like even names that are used in the.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Occult atlist as well. I think Atlas is one of
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the newer ones as well. So why do you think
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: they use these occult names for these things?
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if you may not know this,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and most people may not know this. I'm not sure
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: if this is the exact reason, but I do want
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: to mention this, since we're talking about out of space,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: every model that we've ever accepted has been given to
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: us from an alchemist slash ocultist. Yes, the first one
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: and then the second one. So right there, off the
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: bad what you think is out there, you're believing from
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: an ocultist. So I don't really trust too much of
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: what's really out there. But again, I think because of
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: the maybe the nod to occultism, this is, you know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: that's why they still stick with the names. But one
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: of this is just one of my theories, and I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: think I might somewhat be right, and other people have
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: even noticed it on the show. I do think these names,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: even especially from NASA, they're actually like kind of putting
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: out a message, Like I actually think there is a
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: there's a cult value in there if you want this name.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: What they're saying, that's why. I actually think like they're
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: kind of telling you something, but not what you not
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: the way that we're normally looking at it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's fascinating because like you'll get.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: The numbers and you'll get planets. It's really weird. Like
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: even if you start looking into some of the planets
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and like the rings and the moons and this and that,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: you start seeing numbers that like even match like where
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: they fall on the tree or certain things with them,
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and it's just like yo, like it's like a little
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: bit too you know, weird, right because like we had
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: the Cabala before we supposedly even knew that these things
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: were probably you know, names for me.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you think they name? Like why is
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: there paganism mixed in with occultism that you.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Can kind of who was it? I think it might've
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: been more silly a Ficino. He was kind of big
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: with doing that. He was became a Jesuit priest at
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: one point, but he was kind of known for adding
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit of paganism to it. That's when I
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: covered him and researched into him. You know, a couple
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: of people coined him as like being somebody who's trying
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to insert pagan uh not insert, but like at one point,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the Catholic Church was like paying attention to this stuff.
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: You know. They had you had Pico Dello del Mirandola,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: who was like got the Kabbala to start being looked at,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you know by Catholics and Christians. So like they the
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Catholic Church at one point, probably between like the fifteen
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: hundreds and the seventeen hundreds, they were like on and
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: popping with like looking at tons of stuff and not
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: you know being you know, not saying, oh, we can't
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: look at that, even though they're telling everybody else they can.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, like they had people
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: that are like researching and like making my opinion, making
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: real breakthroughs and understandings of the of the Bible, and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: uh he uh so like he was saying that kind
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: of kept that so it eve like like I was
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: saying before, like a character to try to describe something.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild too, man, I mean I was. I
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: was reading a book it's called God's Eye View, written
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: by Trevor Lowman, and we had him on the show
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: not too long ago. He was explaining how, you know,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the religious group and the scientific group, how they would
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: clash in the beginning of things, you know, to where,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: and I think it was. I think it was just
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of roadblocks between the both of them, which
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: is why they just never kind of came to an
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: understanding with these things. But why do you why do
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you think these like do you think the scientists today, uh,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: are are in a way modern day occultists or they
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you know, like have they been have the occultists been
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: rebranded into science scientists?
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: Actually yes, and believe it or not.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: That was the name that occultist used to use back
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: in day to begin with, the scientists wasn't a cultist,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: So it's just basically going back to the way it
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: used to be. But uh yeah, yeah, yes, and no,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I do think a lot of scientists are. I mean,
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: there are people that I know that have PhDs that
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: are studying stuff and they're ocultists for sure. I mean
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: they're involved in orders or even like you know kind
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: of part of like you know, running it. Uh I.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I think.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: I do think people in science in certain areas are
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: starting to catch on now to certain stuff, like I'm
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: talking about like these megalis structures, you know, like like
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: put it this way, like they're starting to realize now
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: that they had it. Like stuff possibly back from the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: medieval times, there was a box that like would actually
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: compress a frequency. It was like an organic box that
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: if it pressed, it compressed it under four hurts. And
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: I surely this is like shit that's like in papers,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: published papers, and it has been reviewed. It would drive
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: people crazy. So it was actually like a weapon that
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: they would use or some sometimes you know those those
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: castles that you'd see like those little things just sticking
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: up like along it's always along the side of a river.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: They would like have them in there. And it was
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: almost kind of like a like a wall weapon. So
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: like if you got close to it. The problem with
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: it they couldn't direct it, so it would just admit
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: all over to a certain distance. If you got close
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: to it, you started hallucinating, and if you got like
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: too bad, you'd either kill yourself or other people, and
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: this is this is something they had back in the
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: time when you have supposedly had. That's another thing. That
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: stuff wasn't a moat. These things are power generators and
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that what that water is. I mean they're literally even
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: starting to find that out too, that now all these castles,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: all these things that we thought was all for this
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: and that no, these things are generating energy. And like
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I'm not making that up, Like they're starting to notice that.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Do you think it was like simple back then but
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: more advanced?
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, for sure, you would have gave them an
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: iPhone back then. They would have fucked everything up and
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: probably did nothing, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, yeah,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: they would have found out what porn was and nothing
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: would have got built.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And And what's what's crazy too, because and I
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: don't know if you believe in the flood narrative or whatever,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: but ancient cultures they've talked about the Bible talks about it.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I believe in the Antediluvian epoch times where this was
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: an advanced civilization, that this was you know, people that
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: were very heavily involved in the occult right or the
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: you know, the Seven sciences, and that that civilization was
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: in this Golden age at some period, you know, And
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you this, do you do you
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: think these things were taught to us or was it
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: just a part of learning for the human like in
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the human experience, like like was it taught to us
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: by you know, fallen angels or extra tragic magic and
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: occultism or Yeah, I think it's may sound crazy, but
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: If somebody was to have an experience of death and
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that maybe actually like come back, you're gonna understand. It's
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: gonna you're gonna know anyway, because what I guess, long
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: story short, and it's just gonna sound crazy. I'm not
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: saying I'm Jesus, and there's plenty of other people that
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: have had this experience besides me, and don't say that,
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: but my opinion, and if if you were gonna have
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: a magical experience, you're actually committing suicide. You're gonna have
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: to die and leave your body because God ain't coming
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: to me. I gotta go to him. You know, I
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: can't do it.
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: In the flesh.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: I gotta do it in the spirit. So the experience
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: of death, He'll definitely talk to the man at some
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: point or at least he'll talk to you and you
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: come back, you will have the same understanding that I think.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: All these other people have.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Because it's gonna sound crazy, but like when you open
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: up your eyes, you're gonna know stuff you never knew before.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Sure, yeah, yeah man. And it's uh I think too,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: what what happens when when people have those NDEs, right,
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: like those near death experiences, like they they some.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: Of them drastically changes them for the rest of their life.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I agree entirely, And I think that it almost
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: has like a similar effect to how maybe psychedelics are
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: being like at a therapy, at a therapeutical life.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like kind of like like crawling the thin
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: ice and not breaking and completely going through it.
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: I see what you're saying.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: With like the the I do think with the hallucinogenics
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: of certain drugs, it does kind of get you close
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: to like the thinning of the veil. Yeah, very much.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, And I think too that's why they kind
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: of are regulating these things in the public nowadays, because
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know, if you're familiar, you may be familiar
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: with the term, but it's it's almost like it's the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: it's like the Tulpa effect. Are you familiar with the
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: tulpa effect? Right? The ancient Tibetan was a Buddhist Buddhism,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: I believe it is. I see that today. I see
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: that especially being especially when when you mix psychedelics at
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: a recreational level with other drugs. Right. It could even
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: just be other drugs that are were illegal but now
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: they're becoming more legal. That you mix that with propaganda,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: and now you might get like the ultimate Tulpa effect.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: It just depends on what like the propaganda is like
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: for example, like UFOs. Right. Well, I'll use this example,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: like the slender Man. Right, Like the slender Man came
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: out in two thousand and nine. This is when it
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: was circulating around the Internet, and it was a term
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: being pushed into the public a lot more. And because
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: it was being frequently talked about, people were having the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: ideas of it, which then the ideas became beliefs, and
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: then the beliefs, the beliefs became manifested and people were
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: actually having this contact with this entity called the slender Man. Right,
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: and even two girls I think from two different areas.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Some people get killed over that, yeah, yeah, yeah, they
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: stabbed I forget who they stabbed nineteen times, which nineteen
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: two I think is an occult number. But that's interesting
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: just to say at least up a lot lately, right,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: And I even think with numerology that's that's a I, right,
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: so A being number one, I being the ninth letter.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: But I found that interesting that even another girl, you
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: know which, who had an encounter with the slender Man,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: she was told by the slender Man to burn down
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: her house with her family in it, and she'll be
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: rewarded all of these. So so with that concept, what
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: do you think? What do you think is going on here?
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Uh? I mean I I you know, I don't know
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: how to even answer this. I do have stuff I want.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: It could be so many different things. In some way,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: I do think a certain I'm just gonna be honest,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: certain sexual identities that people are grasping onto is just
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: because the Tavistock Institute or somebody came up with a
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: name and an idea and said here have at it.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Is that gonna be you or not, and then people
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: will just choose although ignore it or whatever. So like
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: I think things are literally constructed and made up. Just
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: this is almost a very lusive thing to do kind
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: of in a sense you're just gonna give somebody an
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: option now of something to claim in another name, to throw
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: onto you.
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: Just to whatever. So I think that stuff's done on purpose.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Now I'm not saying that like this happened because of that,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: but like you know, maybe like something like that or.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Could like this be some sort.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: Of energy attached to it to where somehow like affected
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: a more personal impressionable person. Like I wouldn't necessarily say
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: it was, like you know, done on purpose, it could be,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: but sometimes I do wonder if there is just like
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: some sort of code of frequency too bad things happening.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: And the reason why I even bring that up is
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: there's been a few times where we have covered true
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: crime on the show and I have running like, uh, Jamatria,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: I'm big on Jamatria, and just start getting a lot
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of the same matches. And it's not always like actually
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: bringing up like horrible bad like names or things, but
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it's just like you just start seeing like like the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: like I met when we covered we covered the O
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the Craiglist Killer, like I was killing the prostitutes. I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: can't forget, I can't remember. I forgot.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: Yo go beach Killer. We covered him.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: We did a lot of jamatrio on his stuff, and
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: like you would forget things that were like even matching
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: other phrases that was popular at the time too, Like
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: they were like I remember at the time we were
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: looking at it, you know, there's always.
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Something going on with Trump like these like spells.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm wondering, is it like either, yes that I
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: think sometimes I do actually think one, especially when it's
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: like something like Mara Lago, mari a lago, mar a lago,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: hearing that on the on the TV over and over
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: again and then seeing something else that equates to you know,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: and with jamachia and numerical value, it's the same thing.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: You're just you're just saying it in a different way,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: but it's the same energetic value. So sometimes I do
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: think that, yes, they will pull certain phrases. That's the
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: thing where I'm getting at too. Like even with this
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: when we're looking into the true crime, you would see
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: like a lot of the same like numbers again, just
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: matching certain things, and it was like almost something that's
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: popular and it's just like, yo, this is is this
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: like some like and like of energy that's just like
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: this is what you get when you get hit with
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: this frequency or something.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Well, it sounds like it's almost a trademark.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's like.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: It's a brand left behind something that's actually manipulating or
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Man, just a lot of people don't like getting into
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: the numbers stuff. But there is there is some value
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: into it. Because I'll even say this, the people that
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: you you know that you're probably thinking, you know, doing
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: horrible stuff, they use that stuff. So it exists. I
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: hate to say it, you know what I'm saying, It
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: definitely exists. I mean orders have their own ciphers. I
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: mean that's another thing too. I mean the Golden Dorm
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: has their own cipher. I think the Masons have their room.
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: They just have the pig pen cipher. The ot O.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Crawley puts a cipher inside the Book of the Laws.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: So I mean these things.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: I was digging into Alan Greenfield's book, right, the Cipher
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: of the UFI. Yeah. And people again, you know, they're
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: like what book is that. They'll look it up and
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: they'll be like, oh, and occultist wrote that, what you're Christian?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: Why are you reading that? Well again, like I'm I'm
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: investigating these things because deep down in my beliefs, I
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: I feel like there's there's these forces that are responsible
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: for a lot of these things. And like we were
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: talking about before with the trademark, you know, it's like
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: a calling card. It's like it's like the It's like
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: when the Joker comes in and he robs a bank,
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: he leaves the Joker card, right, And when you're ciphering
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: these things, which I'm not equipped in, you know, or
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: knowledgeable of jamatria or numerology, but when you do kind
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: of break these things down with those tools, it seems
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: to it seems to write a letter, right. It's almost
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: like it lets you know, maybe what there's something to this, Right,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: then you dig deeper into it and maybe there are
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: these entities that may be behind these things.
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Sometimes I think, yeah, something almost like an yeah, yeah,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: It's like it's kind of like it's almost just like manifadly,
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: it's just like a he hate using frequency, but some
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: sort of like thing that was the energy to it
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: that just when it gets into somebody, it just makes
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: them do that type of weird, horrible stuff. So I
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: would say, like, BLM, you remember when BLM was going
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: on with the George Floyd'.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Stuff, right right. I feel like that that was exactly
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: so for the audience too, e Go Gore. It's kind
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: of like similar to how we have Christmas and all
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: of these holidays right throughout the year. It's where everyone
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: kind of just ritualistically, they all kind of get together.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: They don't know why they're doing it, they don't know
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: how it got here. They're not questioning anything in the reality,
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: they're just partaking in certain things. But it's crazy, man,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: So real quick. I wanted to circle back around. You
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: talked about oh, real.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Quick, real quick. This was almost kind of an answer
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: to Uh. I kind of went off in a different way,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: but I didn't want to bring this up. But you
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: mentioned something about like the science or like I guess,
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: kind of being hidden too, like not showing it or
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: not letting you come out something. I just do want
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to mention it is because we've covered it on the show.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't even know until Lisa brought it up for
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the show. Maxwell's father, Uh. He basically for a long
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: time controlled the medical I mean the science field with
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: like if you published any papers, odds are he was
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: the one he owned the company that did it, so
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: that meant he controlled what papers got published, and he
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: did that for a while. No life people would to
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: go look into that, you'd realize that that family actually
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: probably ran the last twenty years of how we were
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: disseminated information in the scientific community. It's actually pretty freaking wild.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, why aren't we talking about that?
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: And I mean, listen, that stuff is horrible with Epstein,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: but you know, with the kids. But it's like even
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: with him, what's up with the eugenics lab that we
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: talked about when he first got it? You know, why
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: aren't we talking about, like, you know, Maxwell's family basically
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like running the scientific community foul well oh yeah, yeah,
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: like he sees so much.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: More, oh yeah, oh yeah. And that stuff with the
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Epstein you know we had on.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: The file doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. That's all the
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: whole crazy what's going on here?
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And what's so funny is is, you know, Epstein wasn't
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: just only involved in blackmail and that kind of whole ordeal, right,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: but I think he was, and we had on Brad
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Binkley and the propaganda report he talks about where Epstein
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: was involved in funding a lot of operations and then
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: when you.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: All a lot of people know that, oh yeah he
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: was in.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Exactly it's Peter Teel right, we're I can't wait to
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: get into that with your panel because that's crazy. Him
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: and Alex carp there just like these Lord of the
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: Ring nerds. But because they name everything, you know after
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: you know, the Lord of the Ring is kind of sag.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they forgot about that.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's a it's a symbol. It's almost like, uh,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: it gives like sonification to a lot of these ideas
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: of what they are trying to do with the AI.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I mean because when you look at in the movie,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: you know, you can see what the pallanteer was actually
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: used for. It's used for military strategy. That's it here
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: in Israel. Oh yeah, I think that. I honestly, I
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: think he's the new iron dome.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: That they use.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: Oh dude.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: So I was like, I guess it didn't work too
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: well for the guy with a lawnmower stopped on his back,
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: He's got a pillowcase point and I was like, yo,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: this this is what started, you know, possible World War three.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: The guy with with a towel and a propeller on
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: his back.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: Really right, right, golly man, jeez, it's it's all crazy, man,
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: oh man, dude. The artificial intelligence, and so I tell
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: you what, let's let's just kind of let's get into that,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: like artificial intelligence and and the fact that there's a
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: possibility for a SI, right, artificial suit intelligence, and then
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: right after that, you know, a g a g I
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: artificial I'm sorry, it's it's a g I first, then
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: ASI artificial general intelligence, and then artificial superintelligence. What comes
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: after that, I feel is called what's what's known as singularity,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: and singularity. How I put it is in a way
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: to where it's like my kid, right, my kid's two
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: years old. I have to nurture my kid. I have
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: to feed my kid. I have to do all these
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: things until they're old enough to where they can do
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: it themselves. And that's that's how I kind of wrap
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: this idea of singularity with with AI, it's it's not
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: conscious right now. Maybe at one point it'll seek a consciousness,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: but that's very similar to how one day my kid's
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: going to want to, you know, leave the house. And
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: once that idea happens, where my kid leaves the house,
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I have no more control over it at all. I
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: don't I can't even predict the outcomes, right, And so
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: if we if that happens with artificial intelligence, you know
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be nuts. But what what do you think
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: are the connections with the occult and AI?
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: Well, I definitely think there's something there. Uh again, like
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: even like even you know I said before, I think
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: electricity magnetism really kind of boils down to like magic
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: and stuff. And I think, like that's even like like
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: the computers we're using with the electricity, and like the
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: way I think that I don't know how to get
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: into is that in AI is like all kind of
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: like connected. Like I do actually think like using electricity
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: is messing with magic, that's right, right, I think what
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: we're what we're using right here. I mean Anthony cus
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Kircher predicted back in the sixteen hundreds. He says, at
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: some point in the future, between crystals and light will
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: be able to project spirits of demons. If you think
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: about how our optimal cable works, it's this light getting
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: shined and then these crystals glow in front of us
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: are on our iPhone and the guy really wasn't too
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: far off right, But what was this guy's name, Anthony
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: cus Kirchen. I think he might have been another Jesuit
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: priest too.
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like all I mean, the Roman Catholic
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Church is filled with the cultist right.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. I like, I'm like, oh, let
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: me think about a cultist to cover. Oh, let me
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: checked out people. I'm dead serious. Well, like I'll even
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: go like believe it or not. Some of the weird
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: stuff is if you look at like the Gnostic Saint
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: lists from like the people that Crowley put on the
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: OTO thing, Like there's some people on there that you'd
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: be like, what the fuck are they doing on here?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: From the Catholic Church?
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Right for the people that don't know about the OTO,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: could you just kind of describe that for us?
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the Auto templey orientis it was, uh, it was
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: the order that was eventually handed over to Alice the Crowley.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I'm sure everybody knows who he is, the big bed beast. Yeah,
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: they gave it to him. Supposely this is even the story,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: if it's even truthful. In my opinion, I do think
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: he was, you know, a double agent or at least
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: he was intelligence for at least one country. I'm sure. So, Like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how much to believe about the
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: guy that in general, but or his stories. But uh
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: supposely was handed over to him. It was a Masonic.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: It was a Masonic order originally that was it was
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: like in a it was uh. They sometimes they have
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: it orders, whereas like the may they'll have like another
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: order that's kind of like associated. They like if you
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: if you were a Mason who automatically came in and
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: you might have went to a different degree, if you know,
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: if you were a certain degree in the Freemasons, you know,
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: like he's say you're a like twelve degree in the Freemasons,
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: you didn't may not start off at first or zero
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: in the OTO. He might settle off for like thirdsth
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: you know. So it uh, it was set up like that.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: When Crowley took it over, he ended all that. He
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: changed and took out most of the uh, the initiations.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: I think there was like thirty three and he dropped
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: him down to like thirteen or something like that.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Now, why why did they Sorry, I don't mean to
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: cut you off, I don't waned to Why did they.
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: Give it to him. Yeah, well yeah, this is like
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I mean maybe it's the truth,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: but to me, I was always just like it sounds
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: like just it sounds too easy for people who like
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: I want to believe.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: And I like, do they feel like maybe there's a
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: certain characteristic of adept in them maybe, like like to
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: where they it's like when uh, it's it's like I
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: compare this with Star Wars, because Star Wars to me,
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: is about the occult, but it's where guigan Jin, you know,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: senses that Anakin is the chosen one. So they just
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: come bringing them and make him a Jedi.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: You know, he put out the Book of the Law
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: and they came across it and they're like, oh, you're
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: telling our secrets and this and that, and supposed he's like,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know who you are, and then like oh,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: we got to have a talk. And then all of
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: a sudden they give him the ot o interest. I
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: mean maybe they went that way, maybe it didn't. I
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: don't know. He even had the astronargentum and that's like
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: kind of known that that was not his either. It's
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: there's was around way before him.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so and so the OTO. Where's that out of.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Uh well, I mean it's all over the.
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: United so it's global, right, Okay, so I was living
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: in New York. No, how Freemasons are all over the place.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: Got temples?
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, free Mason temples are much more common.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, uh, the OTO may not even have something
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: in every state, but they are throughout the country and
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: in other countries as well. But like, I don't know
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: if there's one in Alabama, I couldn't die. But you know,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: in New York and New Jersey and you know a
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: few other states. I definitely did North Carolina, South Carolina,
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: they have like stuff. Yeah, but yeah, uh yeah, what
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: was the question. Oh yeah, it's a little bit in
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: the way. It's not like freemasonry, though, I will say
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: is like in freemasonry, if you want to start getting
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: into the occult stuff, you'll play out to be there
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: for a long time. You walk into the OTO. I mean,
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: that's like what you're there for. I mean, it's if
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: you're going if it's not a Gnostic mass, which is
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: a huge ritual like type of thing that you're watching,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: or you're watching. My opinion, somebody cross the Abyss and
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: come back.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: You watch that.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's like that's in your face right away.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Or if it's a class, it's gonna be in a
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: class on something like to do with the cultism of magic.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: So it's like if you go to the OTO, it's yeah,
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, your cultism is in your face right away.
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: You know, it's not you know, the Martinists might be
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the same way. The Golden Dome would be the same way,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: but definitely not the Freemasons.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Now, since there's all these different groups of you know, occultist, right,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Freemason's Golden Dawn Oto, all right, what distinguishes them different
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: from each other? Is it like a hierarchy?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Uh, it's kind of like their their own set of
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: like probably beliefs of reality denominations. Yeah, yeah. Or it's like,
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I mean it's also very like it's teetering cult like
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: well one I will even say the OTO. Yeah, I
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: forgot which degree is he? The seventh of the eighth?
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: I never made it that high obviously, Uh you have
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: you're signing over shit to them, So I mean, at
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: that point it's a I meant a cult, But like
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I think I forgot what was the question?
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, No, just like what distinguishes them to
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: be different from each other? Are they like denomination?
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's almost kind of like that, like it's normally
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: always has like some person who had an experience. It's like,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, really no different than Mormonism with Joseph Smith.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: You know, he had this experience with Angel Moroni and
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: now he has his own version of like his Bible
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and stuff. It's really like some of the orders sometimes
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: are things even start from like somebody who claimed to
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: have had this magical experience and this is what they think,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and people get into it like a cult.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: Almost mm hmm.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: I mean a lot of stuff kind of does happen
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Right, right, And so within the different kinds of orders
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: of things, right like are there?
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: I mean those are also like newer, like you know
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like that that perfect example, I guess
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: would kind of be like Temple of Set, you know,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: a Quino started that like from how he sees things
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: from his experiences, you know what I'm saying, which you know,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: just it's more of like a newer thing. The Freemasons.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: I couldn't really tell you too much because I'm sure
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: that goes back a lot further, but just like New
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: Orders and you know, like kind of like the Golden
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Dorn and Oto since then, in my opinion, you do
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: see a lot of stuff that is kind of very
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: much based on one person's experience that like it is
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: highly known or famous in the in that in that area.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Look at Blovotsky, it's just theosophy. But I mean people
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: don't know who she is. Yeah, Krole, you got Thelma,
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: you got Parsons. I mean that you know Lima as well. Uh,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: even like scientology goes back to al Ron Hubbard, one
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: dude's idea of what our reality is and how are
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: you gonna get saved?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Right right? What do you think? What do you think
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: these players like Alistair Crowley, Jack Parsons, you know Hubbard?
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: What were they what were their goals? What do you think?
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: I think they were all trying to really mentally screw people.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Mass is a deception, I think Crowley definitely my opinion.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: I do think.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: I try not to try to see how I can
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: say this my opinion. There is certain things I guess
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: that might be true about the idea of Nazis like nowadays,
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: but my idea of that from the past. It's really
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: more of magic to where it's like you're deceiving massive
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: amounts of people with sound and video, or things might
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: be exaggerated, or things might be taken out of context,
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: but it's there too. It massive fear into people, you
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: know that. Like I'll use one example without having to
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: use World War two. Really I didn't have any side
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: and I don't care. But like with the Ukraine War
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: when it first started, we most of the footage that
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: we were getting from over there was coming from the
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: Azof Battalion and that was any news art you could
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: see Ann Fox, uh MSNBC, A lot of them were
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: getting it from the Azov Battalion even say on the
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: things you know.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Supply by as well.
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: They also know rep a swastika, you know, And I
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: think a lot of the stuff that we were being
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: supposedly told going on over there was a lot of bullshit.
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: But like what I'm getting at is like why or
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: is somebody who's weren't sports the Nazi swastika giving us
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: the image of what's going on over there. That's that's me,
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: That's something to be worried about because we're gonna be
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: deceived by whatever that TV or that video, that image
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: is telling us. Now, yeah, NASA, same thing. If it
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: wasn't for Jack parsons breakthrough with rockets, we would never
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: had an excuse to even get up to outer space.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: Right right, exactly.
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: Man, it's all ways to deceive people. And al Ron
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: Hubbard he just knew how to manipulate people. And I
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: think the stuff that eventually, hopefully that will show that
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: there is quite possible that al Ron Hubbard was actually
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: like hugely involved with MK Ultra and the Montok experiments.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely, man, And I think to a big
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: part of their rituals, sex, rituals, magic, whatever they were doing,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: especially doing these things in the desert. You know, you've
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: got Jack Parsons with the Babylon working I believe it
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: was called. And then you had Alistair Curley with you know,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Deyon of Horrus. He wrote, you know, the Book of
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: the Law. He had this avatar appear to him call
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: a wasp lamb too, yeah, lamb. All these things, the
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: one that looks like the one that looked like the
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: modern day Greg Yeah, was just kind of wild. Uh
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: what's your what's your idea with with those those entities,
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: Like how do you remind around.
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: That, uh, I think, hm hmmm. I don't know who
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: he's contacting of what he's contacting. I'll just put it
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: that way. But like before when I told you that,
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: like all right, the Book of the Law was dictated
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: to his girl Rose, So basically child, we think about
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: it that way. This is another child. He's just like
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: Joseph Smith and is in his Oliver Crowderys the crowd.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: He's with me for all kinds of different things.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like that guy took Smith's notes of like
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Morona talking to him, so you know she's taking the
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: notes from him. But I mean it's basically like what
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: I was gonna get at what I told you before
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: that I had whenever I have a magical experience is
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: when I opened up my eyes, like no different things. Well,
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: it will be to the extent to where it's like
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: unless like maybe I had a voice recorder, but I
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: don't even know. If I could say everything and typed
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: at the same time, maybe I could get every single
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: thought down that I'm gonna probably forget eventually because so
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: much is coming out and so I believe it or not,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: it's it is that crazy. And sometimes I like I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I do wonder, like, is that all this was? It
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: was like this guy just had like I don't want
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: to say it was a positive, magical experience. You could
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: have been doing something different, but like, was it still
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: like afterwards, was it still that outcome to where he's
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: just blurting out stuff from something that I contacted and
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: rose was there? It just here we go? Right this,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: this is the results from his experience crossing the.
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Abyss right right. And it's funny too because I think
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: he's even alluded to the fact that these things that
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: were channeled to him were angels and with how it
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: influenced him and how it impacted him, right Crowley, It
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: made him write basically like a different kind of like
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: gospel per se, right like. And I find it interesting
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: to you just as a Christian, right like reading the scriptures,
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: the New Testament, reading how you know, Paul's telling us
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: that if there is anyone that comes to you, and
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: again he could be writing to people you know, past, present, future.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like how this firse plays out with me,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: where he's like, if anyone comes to you with a
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: different gospel than the one that I've preached to you,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: even if it was given to you by an angel,
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: and it doesn't match up with the one that I'm
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: talking about. He's like imposter or like watch out for that.
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: Be careful. But it kind of like plays into into
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: the idea of what was going on with with with Crowley.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: So you mentioned magic and have you had any experience
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: with magic? You've kind of alluded to that a little bit.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Could you tell me some of your experience?
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I know, I do think I have crossed
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: the Abyss. I do think I have, you know, in
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: the have come with conscious contact with God.
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, So so the Abyss, what does that consist of?
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: I've heard, I've read about it a little bit. I've
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: heard about it, but I don't know too much.
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: H man. There's so much behind that, uh. I mean
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be physical feelings and my visuals to all this.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: But basically, uh.
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: Because when I think of the Abyss, I think of
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: like just losing our Oh no, okay, believe it or not.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: This is gonna sound weird, and it's another reason why
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: I even brought up NASA before too. But like a
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: lot of not before I cross over to the Abyss,
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: I do have certain visuals that happen all the time,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: but like when I do cross the Abyss, it is
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: almost kind of like it's gonna sound crazy. Does look
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: like you're kind of like out in outer space.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: Like you're astral Well, yeah.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: Like you're just you're out there. There's like blackness, but
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: then there's also just like all this like you're when
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: you go into the from my experience, when you cross,
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: when I've crossed over to the Abyss, and it's basically
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: leaving form and basically leaving self identity and just seeing
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: yourself in an experience, you feel like you're actually getting
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: stretched out, like and you don't have your body. It's
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: just as if you're I used to joke around and
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: say almost like the Offenum where it's just like you're
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: just like, you know, just looking at everything.
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: You're not actually like there, And uh, is it like
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: in the movie get Out?
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: You know, I never watched the whole thing so that
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: I couldn't tell.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: You, okay, because it's it's it's it's a it's the
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: movie get Out. Basically, I'm sure you know what the
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: movie is about a little bit, but it's like where
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: you know, the the is these that this family that
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: was in a cult family.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: They were doing rituals on specifically black people because of
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: their genetics, and they were detaching their consciousness through frequencies
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: and they would get put into the this like I
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: forget what the what it's called in the movie, but
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: you're you're in this unknown like area. You're just floating
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: and you're falling from a hole like a light at
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: the end of the tunnel, and that is your perception
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: still of like your optics, right, but you're falling into
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: like this this abyss kind of this idea of an abyss.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: When I think of abyss, I think of like a
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: deep water right, like like it just goes down forever
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: and you're actually falling backwards and you're reaching out to
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: the to that optical perception like that light at the
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: end of the tunnel, and you're just you're floating there forever.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: And what happens is in that movie they actually were
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: ushering in the consciousness of one of their family members
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: who was very old but needed a new body.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: I do believe that actually stuff goes on. I do
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: think that you can swap I know it sounds crazy,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: I do think you can do that.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's being shown in movies all over the place. Man,
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: I mean I was I'm at work and where I'm
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: with the boys. You know, everyone knows I'm a fireman.
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: So we all kind of hang out and chill on
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: the recliners a little bit. You know, we worked twenty
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: four hours, you leave us alone. So we were watching
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: Alien Alien Earth.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Oh and I've been told by so many people to
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: check that out.
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a pretty cool show. But in the first episode,
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: they literally transferred this girl's consciousness who was very sick,
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: and moved it into a synthetic body. So there's this
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: idea of switching conscious or just moving this conscious over
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: to the to the next one. And it's kind of
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: like from the from the movie as well.
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: It was something that was Netflix where these two kids
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: astro projected at the same time. Every the other one
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: was trick and the other one know whe they could
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: go with their body. It was the craziest See. It
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: was like it was a gay dude and a girl,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: and the gay guy like the girls fucking dude. So
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: like he switched bodies so he could freak off with
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: the guy and she he thinks, it's yeah crazy. I
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: was just like, yo, like this got weird and just
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: even weirder.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: So does this does this idea have something to do
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: with kind of like but when.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: I saw that, I was just like, yo, I do
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: believe the text possible? Oh man, But I mean there's
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: been stuff. There's been stuff I talk about like.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: For like you know, a human to kind of understand
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: because it's supernatural.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Right, there's even stuff like it. Like it's like I
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: don't I can't like speak on it too much only
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: because like there's not too much day to read, but
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: like or to even see like people went and got
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: like you know, it depends if they want to take
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: it for what it's worth. You can probably find the
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: PDF of the Secret Rituals of the O two and uh,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: they go up to only a certain degree. And I
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: can tell you from like the first three that I took.
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: I mean there was maybe a little bit of stuff missing,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: but I mean just stuff that's really important wasn't there.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: So like I knew, I.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: Knew what I was gonna do before I did it,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: because I already right ahead of it, you.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: So like at one of them, though, I higher up it,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: so I was talking about like taking I think like
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: the soul out of a hom oculus and like which
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: I do think is the brain, uh try and trying
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: to put trying to put something back in before the
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: ego comes back. So it sounds like, in my opinion
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: that you're like kind of swapping ship. And I was like, oh,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: that's a little fucking weird.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah the idea.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: I mean again, I'm not a member, so yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah I was. I was. I had on a buddy
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: of mine who lives in the area near me one
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: on one.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, I think once or twice. Cool dude.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: I like him, yeah one one. It's a good guy
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: man and uh real nice guy, very respectful guy.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he comes to the Monculous. We had him on
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, he talks about the monkeylus. You know, it
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: seems like there's so why is alchemy and what's the
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: connection with alchemy?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: And that's why I do think the homoculous why speak
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: kind of hard for you to explain, but I do
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: think it sometimes is the brain or like it even
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: shows like if you went and looked up the homoculous,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: you'll see how like a body is used like alongside
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: the brain to show like how it controls those things
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: like you will find like even like I think medical
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: terms actually showing the momoculars possibly being used to represent
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: the brain. Fuck where was it? Oh again? I do
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: think that if if death is a reality of magic,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: there's going to be a story from like when your
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: eyes are open till they're closed, to like going to
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: your brain and leaving your body.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 3: Like honestly like that.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: That's my opinion that from everything is from your eyes
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: in here to your brain maybe even some of your
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: other stuff. Believe it or not, There is there's paintings,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: there's symbology, there's sigils, there's all sorts of stuff actually
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: showing all that, especially the eyeballs. The Catholic Church is
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: loaded with the inside of the eye of your eyeball.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: People don't even realize.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: How far back does that symbolism go.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I mean to when I was in Italy. It's all
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: over that that stuff that you know, stuff in Rome.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: I mean it's everywhere. Yeah.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Is it like ancient Egyptian only, or is it like
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: go all the way back to ancient Mesopotamia or.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: I'd say their style of how they show certain things
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: like in my opinion, you know, I don't I don't
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: want anybody take offense to it. If I'm looking at
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: it like this, I don't put any less value into it.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: But the sea show is used a lot in my opinion.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: You know, we see water running from it. In your eye,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: the or serato looks like a seashell, and above it
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: you'll have liquid in your eye that has blood in it,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: called the ocuous the vitreous humor. But then underneath where
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: that seashell our serado looks, you have regular water. And
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: so I mean to me, it's she's just seeing the seashell,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: and then you're seeing the water right there. And above
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: the seashell is a thing that looks like your hilloyd
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: canal goes up, and then you have the virtuous nerves
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: that hang down and it looks just like a tree,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: and the things that are inside the virtuous nerves almost
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: look like pomegranates. So it's like you don't like wondering.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you're going from water to wine too,
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: almost like it looks like going from the water to
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: now blood inside liquid. Like there's a lot of things
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: in the eyeballs that I actually think is all over
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: the Catholic Church and in the Bible, honestly, right right, Yeah,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I could, Like, I could show you, like if you
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: were to pick up a view of the eyeball and
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: then look the Birth of Venus the same thing. Really,
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: that guy knew exactly what the eyeball looked like. Oh wow, geez,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: I could I could easily like yeah, I mean, I'll
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: send you after the show. I'll send you the I
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: have on my computer and you'll be like, yeah, this
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: guy was talking smack, that's crazy. Yeah. I even had
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the statue. You can't even see it too well, but
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta check on my own. Nothing of
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: it probably looks like the occult and it is or
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 1: an eyeball, I believe it or I it is. It
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: is an artistic depiction of the inside of the eye
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: to mine to the way I look at it.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: Interesting I had. I had Raven on one time and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: top Lobster from.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: Definitely Yeah Yeah Yeah, I was all.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, oh are you okay? Raven brought up one
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: time because we were talking about the movie Avengers. We
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: were getting in. I was on their show and I
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: was getting into how Ouldtron is this anti Christ figure?
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: It goes from being AI it goes from and it
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: literally it's literally went through the stages of development. It
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: went through you know, artificial intelligence, artificial general intelligence, artificial superintelligence.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: But then at one point he was seeking a body
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: and this kind of goes to like the transfer of
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: the consciousness. Where what was Ultron doing in that movie?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: He was actually building a body for himself, a monkeylus
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: maybe right, but he was building a body for himself
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: who was vision and vision. He actually threw up the
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: sigil of Lucifer And it's actually how our eyes receive
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: light from you know, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: So even the unicoasal hextagram even gets very close to that,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: believe it or not. In NASA, like I had mentioned before,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: the Hubble telescope, the way it reflects the mirrors reflect
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: the light to get the image makes the universal extram.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: That's another reason why I think NASA magical.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: Sieh, this is uh, Let's see if I can screen
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: share this with you just for the audience so they
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: can kind of check this Out's see here, So this
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: is the Yeah, this is the sigil, and this is
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: like how the was it the corneal cortex. I don't know.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: I'm not a Yeah, it reflects off of the lens. Yeah,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: exactly right, right right. And it was funny how how
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: the the uh, the the body he was creating was
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: called vision. So I found that interesting.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: See like that something to me would make me think
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: that he was the brain and then vision was what
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: he created, okay, yeah, or a way to become self
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: aware ah, or because you can see yeah, yeah, because
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: that gives you the option to be able to a
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: reflection of yourself somehow you don't see something you know
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: you have, you have a way to have an idea
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: of self and what.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: You're not the least hm hmm. Interesting.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: I guess I was in some deep stuff. I think
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: it might actually be like that. You never know.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, do you do you think? Do you think like
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Aleister Crowley, Jack Parsons? You know, uh, these people were
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: trying to bring in some sort of anti Christ.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't doubt it.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: Or some sort of and again that could be kind
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: of you know general.
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well I just take that as like anything.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 5: Negative, something something to because again I think they were
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: here too mentally manipulated humans. I think all three of
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: them are part of something to do that.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because I mean Alana Blovlosky, she kind of
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: talks about this like Luciferian doctrine and the ushering in
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: of of what that entity is. And then Alice Bailey
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: talks about the what's she talked about. I forget, it's
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: the it's like the one of the it's it's bigger
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: than the ascending Master. It's like this this this maitra
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: mitra or I gotta find the exact spelling on it.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Let me see here to do. I'm trying to find
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: it on Google. Oh goodness, well it sucks. Sorry everybody.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: I'll figure it out. We'll circle back around. But it
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: was was basically that there's going to be like this
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Christ that kind of comes into the world. Biblically, you know,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: we view that as like the anti Christ, because we
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: believe the Christ already came. And so I guess I'll
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: just pick your brain on this, like do you think
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: the occult is still working on that through rituals or
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: whatever it is to bring in I don't know, this
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: idea of a world ruler.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: I guess, oh yeah, yeah. I mean I would say
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: they're all part of like kind of like where where
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: how we've gotten to where we are?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: Today because we know the concept of like you know,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: a new world order all this stuff AI, and it
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: seems like at some point, when are they going to
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: just give the keys to this certain thing and just say, hey,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: the world is yours now if that makes sense? You know,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: who knows what entity it'll consist of or you know.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've got my beliefs, but it seems like,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: at least from my research, that they're really pushing hard
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: with this through certain rituals. Again, I'm not an expert
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: on the rituals, but it seems to be like these
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: rituals can do really supernatural things, almost like unlocked doorways.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like you create like an energetic field
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: or something reaction.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now do you believe in like portals?
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: Actually, Okay, have you ever had any experiences with maybe
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: you know, you know, doing that or maybe someone that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: you do believe it or not.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: The reason why I believe that more is because of
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: people that have actually purposely but personally met that are
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: in the science into science and actually like maybe looking
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: into that, or and because of like just like certain
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: like Auston Forbes and other people that.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I was going to bring that up too. I was
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: gonna I was gonna be like, you know what, what
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: does he talk about?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Greenier too? I think it was rather interesting he was
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: kind of presenting stuff like that at the Cosmic Summit too.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I think talking about you.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: Know, he thinks that they have that type of technology.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: Basically for me, I think portals. Why I think it's
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: possible is because, uh, I do question if it's I
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: think I think a lot of times when they're trying
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: to do like weird stuff, like even I wonder about
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: certain you question if they're trying to take this may
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: sound crazy like one person's personal magical experience whatever. I
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: do believe there's some sort of it's gonna sound crazy.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: I think it's like you're almost implode. It's like if
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: you're soul has hard to explain, but it feels like
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: you go one way and then go sucked out the
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: other way. So it's almost like kind of like how
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: you would even see like a black hole even come
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: to be you know what happens at the end. It does.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: It does actually feel like that, and it sounds crazy.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: So uh, sometimes I wonder if this technology and the
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: stuff that they're making is trying to mass produce that
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: one small little event that happens to a person when
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: their soul leaves their body, if they're trying to take
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: that and like miss produce it, and then that that
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: would possibly create portals. Because I do think with with
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: magic in a sense, you're kind of going like when
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: you when you come back, you're back to the future.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: Like it sounds like silly, but like you're kind of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: going back in time before the flesh, when you were
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: a spirit, before you inhabited this spot. So I do
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: think like in a sense you can start you can
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: like play around. I think as.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: Well right now, is this like something as far as
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: like fourth dimension talk or well.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: I think kind of going more into the spirit, which
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: like I actually you like more on again, Like again,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: this is where I start like thinking that science and
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: the occult starts the match if you you could. Technically,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: I can't explain it the best. This Ricardo guy's a genius.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: He's on you know, part of the Occult Rejects team.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: He has his own stuff too natural it's to a philosophy, uh,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: I mean he even has like that you know, paperwork
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: and everything from other people, not him, you know, but
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: you know it's been reviewing all stuff like it's you know,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: taken to be possible, or you know, you know it
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: is possible. You know, just matching frequencies in certain ways
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: you can actually travel like from one place to the
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: next or that really having to do anything as long
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: as you link up with this like certain frequency could
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: be everything just be able to kind of almost go
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: back and like back and forth through the whole fight.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: Sounds crazy, but like it would It just basically kind
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: of like almost like we'll get through a portal, and
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: our government has technology to like make holograms like in
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: the woods, so it's like, you know, like if they
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: could do that, like maybe they can make portals too.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, right right exactly. That's crazy man.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: So so have you had any experiences with magic? You know,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: because I saw an awesome clip of yours that Bennett
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: made talking about you know, liver king.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Oh the eye stuff. Yo. When every time I have
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: a mess with magic, one of my eyeballs always blows
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: up and the other one gets pinned. There'll be anywhere
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: from like four to six millimeters in a difference, and
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: if it's like six, that means the other one's fully
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: at eight and the other one's at two. But like
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: I remember, like when it happened, it was like there's
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: a four millimeter difference. But I mean still that's like
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: you notice it you look at somebody's eyes and be like,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is wrong with those? But yeah, like
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: one we'll get all the way small and the other
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: one's bigger. That happens every time I have a magical
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: experience when I open up my eyes some you know,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: a couple of times it took weeks for it to
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: go away, or sometimes to go away after a few days.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: Every time, what kind of like it kind of like
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: makes me think of what you were talking about about
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: the eye in general. Right, That's what.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: Started making me look into the eye and I started
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: realizing how weird it is, and I.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 3: Was like, wow, that looks like a cult sigil.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: That looks like a caled art.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you actually had like symptomatic effects.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like even though the hospital said, like, you
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: you know, whatever basic stuff they did, they're like, you know,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: you seem to be seeing all right, you know, but
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: go see a specialist and then you know whatever, I
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: went and saw when like two weeks later, when I
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: got there it went down from four to three. So
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: it took like almost two weeks for it to really
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: go down that that, and I think like a week
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: a week later it was totally fine, but like it
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: took a while for it to even go down after
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: the first one, after that time with me, but uh,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: she noticed it, and she had even like she did
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: all her things. I looked at all this stuff and
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: she was even like, your ees, sight's fine. She's like,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm looking at everything. She's like, I can't
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: even tell you why this happened, what's wrong?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: And this is consistent. This is something that happens pretty
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: much every time.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: If I think I was saying before, there is a
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: certain uh things that always repeat visually and physically. I
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: feel certain experiences before I cross the biz, so I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: know I know when to fold them. You know. If
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: I don't want to go that far, I know to
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: bring on the fear that will stop. Uh. If I
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: bring myself kind of close to the edge and like
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: hold myself there, and it's like again it's like I
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: will be seeing a specific image and if I just
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: like kind of hold it, don't let it do the
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: next thing, I can kind of get some benefits out
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 1: of it, almost like magic, to where it's like I
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: might be energetic or like I might understand it a
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit more than I would not
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: as much as if I actually dived in, you know.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: Or it could be very what's the word I'm looking for.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: It's just something that could give me like passion or
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: something like, oh, give me an idea that like, oh,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: I got to work on this. This is what I
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: gotta do, you know, whatever it gives me ideas. It
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: could almost be like a muse. I guess I figure
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: I was going, oh, so like I can hold myself
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: to the edge and that go completely over and then
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: when I come out of it. Sometimes even when I
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: do that, you'll even see a difference. I've actually it
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: was a long time ago, but I even did that
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: on one time I posted my eyes on Twitter. It's
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: probably like two years ago at this point, and I
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this what happens when you magic? And
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: my pupils were totally different?
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Could you take me through like like what consists of
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: you know, doing I don't know what to call it,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: like a magic show or it's not like a magic show, right,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: but it's what does it look like.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: Oh, like when I crossed the abyss.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like uh.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: For me, believe it or not. The only times that
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: ever happened that serious, it was me just sitting in
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: a chair meditating. I did not do any ritual work
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: at will.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Actually, are you like totally cut off from all sensory
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: deprivate like sensory deprivation. No.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: I did it. Sleep a sensory deprivation tank one time,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: and like I swear, that was like kind of got
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: my kind of close there. I saw the eclipse put
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: it that way, like that we see the eclipse before
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: I blast off.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: I was able to.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: Bring myself to that point brother quick, in one of
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: those tanks. But uh, it's normally like I'm just believing
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I'm just sitting in a chair with a flat back.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: I had to make sure it was flat and put
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: my arm my arms like this on my legs, my
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: back straight, close my eyes and go into meditation for
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: a while to be so, and techniques that I would
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: do to this like try to like feel my body
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: or you know, and feel the energy go up and down.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: I work on chakras and stuff. But at one point
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: I started noticing like if I was like some people.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know if people listen to your show mess
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: with chakras, but like some people will say that they
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: can feel them or it almost feels like a spinning bull.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: And points. These are these points right throughout the body
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 2: is what the chakras are.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 1: And uh, the third eye, I was pressing on it
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: like it's like you could like kind of feel like
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: the energetic bulls. And I was one time, like I
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: was pushing on it when I was meditating, and it's
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: gonna sound weird, but like it seemed like it made
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: the blackness that I already had from my eyes being closed,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: like darker like and it almost looked like it was
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: just like like like as I pushed on it. And
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: I remember that and I was like, I gotta do
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: that again, you know why not? So what does the
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: magician doing presses the buttons and what happened?
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: That's a good one, yeah, exactly.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: It's like he goes to the elevantor this guy gotta hit.
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: Every flood right right, because there's no there's like no
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: protocol to these things, right.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: It's more like, well, that was even another reason why
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: I hadn't. I mean, there's multiple reasons why I left
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: the oto, but one of them was my opinion, someone
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: there is someone there has to know what's up. I
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: don't believe that you all, none of you have had
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: a magical experience. You should really tell people what magic
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: might be. You give a little bit more of a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: background of what it can tell, because if it is
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: really what I think it is, it's that's rather serious.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Like if somebody would have told me, oh, yeah, well
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: you want to practice magic, You're gonna have to probably
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: die for like ten seconds. Maybe yeah, there, you're gonna
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: bring up flatliners.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Hey, I'm a movie guy, dude, and I
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: was just.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Gonna bring it up.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 3: I was just gonna bring it up.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 2: And say that ship really that's crazy.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: That's basically you're basically watching what uh a cheat code
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: or a short cut to a magical expanse would be.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: And what was the what was the goal they were
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: trying to achieve in that movie? I think just like
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: they're just trying to just cross over, right, Yeah.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: And then every time they came back there, things were
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: always like they do different things or like things. It
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: just wasn't the same anymore either.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 3: That is one thing.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: When I went to the I ended up in the hospital.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I did it like three times in a week, and like,
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: I physically did not feel right, and I was like, yo,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: like my body just like I think I'm screwing myself up.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: And that's when I went up going going into the hospital.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: I'll be talking honest with I didn't feel right. My
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: head feels gonna explode. I felt like electricity going up
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: up and down my legs. My eyesight wasn't even normal,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: and like just yeah, look like I was just like, oh,
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: this is where they get the ideas from vampires. From it.
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: It's like, yo, it was killing me to look outside.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: It was fucking I was just like, ooh, this shit
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: is killing my eyes. Luckily, the hospital I went to
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: is only like like less than five miles five minutes away,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: so like, I mean, I could see enough to drive,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: I guess, so I drove myself there. But I mean
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: I was a little dangerous, but I was. I just
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: said something was wrong.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: And I don't know what the hell they find anything.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Well again they think, I mean, they confirmed the eye stuff.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: I mean, but again they don't know what was wrong.
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: Then they hit me with this thing and it's never
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: been an issue since then. I and there's a certain
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: word for if there's somebody in the medical field that
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: listens to the show that pabably know what I'm talking about. Well,
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: yea hemoglobin and starts to go up in your blood.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: It almost kind of makes it like sludge. And sometimes
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: that could just happen and people randomly out.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: Of know where.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: There is certain reasons why, I can, I think, but
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: there is you know, sometimes it can just happen and
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: you may have to go like once a month and
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: get like your shit filtered, like not filter, but they'll
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: have to give you like a bag of blood that
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: it kind of like I will thin you out for
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: the next moment.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: It's a call. It was that Polis simia or something.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: I only had to go see the person. Definitely. I'll
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: let me just finish the story then, and you understand,
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: I really don't know the name of it. They gave
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: me a bag of blood and a bag of alien
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: when I was there and told me, which actually was
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: crazy as that I actually felt like ten times better
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: after they even did that, not going to swear to God,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: like even like the headaches started to go away. They
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: gave me that because they said my hemoglobe was jacked
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: up from to nineteen point six, and I think they said,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: like thirteen or fourteen is like average, and they said
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: your shit's like sludge. I was like, I don't know. Uh,
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: so they gave me that and then they said you
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: might have this whatever type of thing because they couldn't
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: figure out why it would even happen. So they're like,
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: you must be one of those one of those rare
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: people where it just happens to you. Probably might not
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: have to go and get get this done every month.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: They said, go see this specialist. They're gonna take your
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: stuff and then they'll let you know, and you know
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: if it's if it's bad, you know, you'll probably have
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: to keep going every moment. And I went and they said, no,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: you seem fine, just come back one more time in
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: a month. And when I went back to like, no,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: you're fine, to like it must have been a freak
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: thing though, like never had the problem again. Wow, Yeah,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: well I know it was gonna be some inconvenient thing
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: that I would have to once a month probably get
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: a bag of blood.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: I was just like, yo, what yeah, yeah, so I
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: do chuck that up.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: To possible, uh messing with magic now one thing too.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I think somehow in their plasma does come up or
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: get involved because I remember originally looking into it and like,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: you know, because at one point I was like, yo,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: something up with the eyes and the blood. You just
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: you know, after that experience and all these things wrong
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: with me, I'm just like trying to see, like what
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: can make this happen? You know, what make it sound
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: woo woo or corny? But I mean plasma is kind
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: of like light. You don't mean you think about it.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't know, like is there something that's
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: being used when you shoot out of your skull to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: the abyss? I don't know, Like I'm wondering, like if
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: you it's like some sort of fuel of something like
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: since I was kind of I'll be honest, it was
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: why abusing it? Is that why? I was like that
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: did I burn something up? Or did I overdo something?
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. I mean it almost makes me think
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: of Sorry. I mean I always relate everything, you know,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: kind of like to what I know that as far
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: as the Bible where it says, you know, the life
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: is in the blood, you know, and when you look
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: at life, it's like it kind of breaks that down
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: especially when you go back to like either the Greek
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: or the Hebrew. Whenever it's used, there's context wrapped around
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: of all that stuff. But I like to dig deep, deep,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: deep into the into the meanings of these things where
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: it's relating to consciousness. And so maybe you know, small
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: even smaller than the quantum level of things, you know,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: maybe at the sub atomic level even maybe smaller than
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: that where we just can't see it. I can't even
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: see it through an electronic microscope, but to where you
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: there's some sort of relationship with our blood and our consciousness,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 2: maybe our spirit something like that. So so when these
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: when these experiences do happen, maybe maybe when it when
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, it's like I don't know
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: how to explain it, but maybe it has something to
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: do with you know, going into these states of mind
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: or going into the you know, trying to cross this
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: abyss or whatever that you're coming back from a foreign land.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: So yeah, you might have you might have a piece
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: of bacteria on you.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: You don't Oh no, yeah, I do think that's sounds
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 3: quite possible.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean there's even like you know, so many
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: protocols are to like build like some sort of barrier
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: around you. Even the gateway process tells you to do that. Yeah,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: there's like there's like, yeah, there's I think even something
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: in the Golden Door. I could be wrong, but there
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: is ideas of actually like kind of what do you
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: think of the banishing? You're banishing all the energy around
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: in your area to make sure nothing it's all you.
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild. That's crazy, man. What was so? What
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: was some of the craziest experiences you've had?
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: Uh? The one time, Yeah, what was it before or half?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: I think it was before fun it could have been
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: before I actually had like the wild like actually crossing
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: the abyss, which that would probably take a while to cover.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: But I mean like if you ever wanted to talk
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: about that, that might take like a half out forty
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: minutes unfortunately to give like a really good explanation, but uh,
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: or a story of it. But like one time I
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: can't remember again if it was before after that, but
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: when I knew it was like you know, the whole
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: pineal thing, like I know, it was like pressing on it.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Like one time I was meditating and I was pressing
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: on it. I think this was before before like a
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: wild experience I was practicing pressing on it because I
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: had noticed that. I said that it did look like
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: something would change in my eyesight with my eyes closed,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: and uh, when I was doing it, I started noticing
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: almost like a like flashing when I have my eyes closed.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 1: But it's like almost like there's something that was flashing
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: like around me that like I could see almost coming
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: into like through my eyelids.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, what's that.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: I'm like thinking on looking maybe an ambulance is going
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: by or something or whatever. Car nothing So that I
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: do it again. Takes me a minute to get back
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: to where I was again, and I started like pressing
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: on my paneal guy and I start seeing this flashing again,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, what is going on? I'm
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 1: like the ack and it's just not even on so
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: it can't be like I at one point I was
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: thinking like the candle, but it was like it was
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: probably like six feet hour. It was a decent amount
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: of way that it's like when I closed my eyes,
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: like it would disappear. So why am I seeing like
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: a flashing. It just didn't make any sense to me
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: that it was the candle because it wasn't doing that
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: when I closed my eyes originally, you know what I'm
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: getting at. Like, so at one point, like I don't know,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: it happened again and I started to question, like and
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I was like, no, this is insane to think of this,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: but like, could it literally be for me pressing on
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: my pinal gun? I was like, Nah, that can't be.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: So I actually get up and like go over to it,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: look down at it, and like I get myself kind
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: of into that same scenario and like try to kind
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: of have my eyes open a little bit, and I
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: saw pushing the flame moves and that actually freaked me
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: haf out, Like that's actually to me, that was like
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: kind of scary because that told me right there that
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: if that really happened, this reality isn't the way I
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: thought i'd ever was, because I should have been able
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: to do that. That like literally did freak me out. Believe.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: I know some people are like, oh, that's sound like it,
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: but like, if that really happens, I'm sure you'd be
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: questioning like yourself and God are like what's up right?
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Because that's not supposed to be real? Like it is
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: if you really think about it, man, it's not you know,
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: I'm even admituted it to get the ship out of me,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: that I didn't get no kicks off, that I ain't
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: doing it to make money now because it's actually creepy.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's wild, dude, that's wild. I mean I'd
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: like to hear about your your experience with with you know,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: with the abyss and everything like that.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: Oh.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: I mean I could try to go through it like
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: real quick. Yeah, you know, the visuals, the visuals we.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: Got like thirty five minutes. Man, I'm cool, all right.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: Uh all right the visuals again. Uh well, first off,
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: like I said, I would be in a chair. Uh
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: what I would do my meditations. I would like kind
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: of envision like the white light coming in through the top,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: going down through my body and then through my legs
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: and into the ground common kind of almost like you know,
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: grounding myself and throughout that whole time. It's like I'll
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: try to like have my eyes closed and like try
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: to visualize the energy like going through my body and
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: like seeing it in my you know, you know, ethereal
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: body whatever they call that stuff, astra body, you know,
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: but like you believe it or it does kind of
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: I think that stuff's actually really really important it was
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: for me to have the experience that I had for me,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: Like I could actually as I'm closing my eyes and
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: visioning like white going through like what I'm seeing as myself,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: you will I will actually feel like warmth through something
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: moving as I'm visualizing in my brain, So there is
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: some sort of mental contact I was making to my body,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: you know. I would do that, and then the chakras,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: you know that whole thing too, Like I'd say i'd
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: be able to feel those. I would go up and down,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: and then I eventually would start pressing on the pineal gland.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: When the you know, I end up you.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: Know, crossing the abyss. I was pressing on it and again,
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: like it would almost look like if I was like
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: looking down at a black table, but I thought it
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: was clean and like when like that and then realized
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: it was like dusty and all the dust blow out
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: and you just saw like it just looks like this
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: black like like oil coming out of the ground that
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: was like blacker than black, and it just SUTs like
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: like so like it starts getting really dark and like
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: around the edges almost kind of looks like a like
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 1: lasered like like thermal lights are like almost like like
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: really like almost like the rainbow colors, but like really
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: thin lights like almost like an oil slick kind of
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: coming out from the.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: Blackness and it totally fills up.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: You're gonna get a kick out of this because when
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: you were saying something before, I was like, Yo, this
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: is very much like my experience. As that happens, all
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, you'll see like a really small like
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: light pin dot light all the way in the distance,
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: looks like a burning star, like a blazing white star,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: and the total darkness, and he saw like you kind
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: of start focusing on it almost starts like to pull
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: like closer. It gets closer and closer, and it starts
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: to actually starts to look like an eclipse. That's what
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: I have on my logo is this eclipse. I'll have
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: this just eclipse. We'll just be like sitting there just
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: like it's just amnist right there in your face, and
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: it starts to look like explosions going on around it.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: And the reason why it looks like explosions it's really
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: hard to explain, but like even when it was a tiny,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: tiny time any burning bright light, it still looked like
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: there was like something there was depth between what I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: was visioning in that light to where it almost looked
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: like like outlines, like if you were to draw clouds,
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: like with a pencil just on a paper, like you
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: would throw those outlines into the black. So like if
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: any light showed up, you would see like these curvatures.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: It's so hard to explain. It's to explain, but so
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: like as you see these like these flashing of lights
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: going around the eclipse, it starts to almost look like
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: it has texture and depth because of all these other
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: like things in it, and it almost starts to look
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: like an explosion. To me, it looks like, you know,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 1: literal explosions. And then when it starts to change over
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: into like it it's almost kind of like very much
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: like yellow or slightly red or like kind of like flames.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: Uh so I was paying attention over there, it turns
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: completely red sus almost look like roses now bursting open
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: like I have one of the logos I have looks
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: like roses, kind of like around the moon or around
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: an eclipse. It starts to look like roses bursting or
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 1: blooming around it. And after that happens, it starts to
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: look like colors like those very vibrant rain bl like
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: it's four different colors, red, blue, green, and purple. I
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: think it's normally what I would see coming one color
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: coming out like almost out of each cardinal direction, spinning
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: like spiraling out of the eclipse to where it almost
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: looks like this like pulsating lines of like vibrant colors,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: and it's just like coming at me. And then all
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: of a sudden it will start to turn into like
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: geometric shapes. It's almost like shoot like flying towards me,
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: spinning coming at me from the eclipse. And then this
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: is when I get it to where my logo comes in,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: which I had mariout from symbolic Studies designed for me.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: Great job. Uh, it will start to look like all
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, these windows start coming out of the
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: eclipse on both sides of me and going like really
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: slow though. And I try to use sometimes that like
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: if you're in the subway and you had like trains
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: coming down going the same way, you're like in the
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: middle of both you know, both whatever, and you were
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: looking in those cart windows, just those cart windows. It
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: would just be like those floating by and they all
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: have like different scenes in them. It looks like different places,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: different times, but like none of them really look too like.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: It doesn't look like much is going on. Those will
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: start slowly coming down. At that point, I'm gonna start
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: feeling and I'll maybe go go over the physical feelings
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: after I just get through this. At that point, I
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: start going through all these physical feelings.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: But uh.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, once that kind of stops, they stop going again.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: It looks like a huge eclipse. It's like this white
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: sphere with this black one in the middle of it,
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: just glowing. It starts to separate that way, going up
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: to where it almost looks like this big grin staring
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: at you in the face. As it's starting to like
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: eclipse with like a crescent very much looks just like
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Tooth's headdress if you're separating one sphere from the next,
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: where it looks like that crescent with the sphere on
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: top of it, if you're pulling one away from the other.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: As soon as the black one goes and now this
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: whole time I'm pressing on my but neal glen. As
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: soon as that black sphere disappears, it feels like whatever
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: I'm pressing on me just got smacked back into my head. Bam.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, I feel my soul right
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: out the back of my head. It feels like you
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: bust right into it, the thousand butterflies stretching out into
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: everything and totally lose your body. And I don't be
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: totally honest with you. No matter what drug anybody ever
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: has done, no matter how good of a nut you
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: think you busted, it is not gonna come anywhere close
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: to the feeling of love that you think you have
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: ever felt, even for a person. It feels like one
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: hundred percent unadulterated, perfect love. You don't even know who
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: you are anymore, but all you feel is love. You
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: don't even know where you are anymore. All you feel
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: is love. You know, I question in the damn thing
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: because everything just feels amazing. And as soon as I
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: think of self, where am I? What's going on? It's over.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: I wasn't worried about God anymore. I was worried about me.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: Of course, it's over.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: What do you mean by that?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: I do think I was in the presence of God
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: everything all at once, and instead of enjoying it, I
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: was worried about myself. Now I'm not that anymore because
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: I've just taken myself away from it. As soon as
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: I am something, I'm not something. As soon as I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: have identity of self, I am not with the OL anymore.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: So it's all over.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy, man. And so how long did this
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: experience last?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, I could feel like minutes sometimes, but I
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: don't think it's that long in reality. I think it
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: could be like five.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: Seconds, yeah, right, right, right right.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: That's why I don't think, like, if you're going out,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's like you should probably. I mean
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: I guess like if you if you if you walk
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: up and acted normal, people may not even notice if
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: if you did anything going into a meditation. You know
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: what I'm.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: Saying, right right, that's crazy, bro. So when you when
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: you say pressing on the pineal, like, how would you
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: describe that too? Like how'd you explain.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 1: That that's the whole thing? And I know it sounds crazy,
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: but it's like you know, and again I'm but I
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 1: would just assume maybe your listeners really aren't practitioners and
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: stuff like that, but people who are maybe big just
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: into chokraate work, not even well, I mean, that's all
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: that could all be considered all the same thing, I guess.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: But you know it sounds corny, but I really do
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: think you can start feeling these things, you know what
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: I mean. I mean you even look at it. Some
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: ancient medicine goes back to by acknowledging certain spots on
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: your body that can help, you know, but I do
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: feel them. If I was, if I was to start
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: getting back and like again, like I told you, you know,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: I don't do rituals anymore. I only meditate, you know,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: if I was to start even getting like heavily even
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: into that. A lot of times the meditation is just
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: to clear my mind really or just you know, relax.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: If I started doing that, like seriously, it wouldn't take
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: more than probably a few days to where I'd be
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: able to let's feel those things spin again. I really
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: do believe like I feel something. In my opinion, I
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: can feel that. I mean, I would I would even say,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: not saying that the Oto, since the Oto believes that
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: they are of importance, should mean anything. But when I
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: was in some of their initiations, there's times where they
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: will tap certain parts of your body that you think
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: they're just neither getting your attention or just you know,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: it's part of the whole dramatic scene. Like one time
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: they'll take a sword and I think they lift it
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: up and kind of like smack your cross like your waistline,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: and like it kind of catches your attention because I
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: think like somebody from the side. Whatever, it caught my attention.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: It was like, oh, okay, whatever, But it was nothing hard,
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: you know. They tell you after the fact, like sometimes
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: like after a month later, after you're do an initiation,
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: they'll have a class and then you could come in
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: and kind of talk. They'll give you a little bit
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: you know some I guess what information about what you
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: just went through. It's not much. They did bring that
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: up and they said that that was to actually activate
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: that chakra right then, So now you tell me every
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: time you've always like because it's been done a couple
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: of times in different ways, you you know, hit me
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: in a certain you know, is that is that what
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: it is all about? Now? And like why are you
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: doing that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you have to be totally
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: honest with you. In manerval, they tell you that initiation,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: don't trust, don't trust everything that you're seeing. And the
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: first initiation they'll tell you again don't not everything as
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: is as it seems. And then in the second initiation,
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: they're gonna tell you not everything is it seems, and
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: don't trust your brothers and sisters. So like the first
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: three degrees, you've already told me, don't believe the bullshit.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you think they kind of say that open?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe like thinking that maybe some person
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: will actually save themselves.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: They'll listen to weapons coming out of them house.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: Oh shoot, okay, can I see that? I see that.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: I actually think of my well, see, I don't think
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: that's I guess I could have been inherent on purpose
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: for Crowley, But I don't know how the order is.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: You know, I have wandered from inception. But like I
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: do think some of these orders now if they weren't
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: from the beginning, I think they are run by the CIA.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: Now that's uh. I mean, I wouldn't doubt that for
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: a second, right, because.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: There's some that I saw pointing fingers because someone was
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: again attacked by other occult is here, because that does happen.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: There's a certain order that I think the CIA is
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: running or the military is running it, because it's they
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: have so many different innrotors, and they have very intelligent
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: people that are in there, people with PhDs. They're not
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: stupid people actually, and they all have them working that
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of them are in different these different inner
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: rotors that are inside the temple fuck that is inside
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: his inner rotor, I mean inside of the secret secret society.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: And uh, if you look at what they're doing, it's
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: almost like everybody's been decomparted tomental life whatever that word is.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 1: Everybody's been separated, and you're all kind of like looking
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: at your own like they just own little specific thing,
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: and it's like they don't realize the big picture because
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: they're all being kind of taken off and put in
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: like a small little fucking box.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll move you over here, We'll put blinders on you.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, exactly, yeah, yeah, And they don't realize that.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: I think they're actually being used for the government or
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: the CIA to actually know.
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 2: What's so much funny too, is science is really broken
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: down in the same way. Medicine today is broken down
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: in the same way you want it. You got a
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: heart problem, you go see a cardiologist. But the cardiologists
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 2: only study and transfer information within each other. They don't
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: mess around with you know, uh, the on you know,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: the kidney you know doctors, they don't mess around with
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: the lung doctors, they don't mess up. They stay within
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: their field of practice. And then like that's it. But
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: if they were to you know, exchange information, that would
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: be in a way better for us, if you get
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying on the medical side of things. But
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: you mentioned schools and secret societies. Uh, what are some
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 2: of the big colleges that seem to be you know,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: pretty heavy in the occult.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: I saw on your page that you you you must
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: have a drone or something. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 2: you could if you could break that down for me,
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: like what schools are involved with all with all this
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff?
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: Oh oh definitely.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: Yell Oh my god, Why am I having problems now?
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: Is that where Skull and Bones is?
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yo, that has like that. I think they
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: have over They might have a dozen of more, believe
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: it or not. I probably have went there and filmed
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: at least like seven or eight myself. I still haven't
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: put out. Yeah, I have probably like three episodes of
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: like yell at the at the graveyard out there that
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: I could show. Yeah, there was stuff that I got
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: with the drone that like, you know, an obelisk and
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 1: like basically like was a pole whatever. It was like
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: this geometric stuff on the ground that is that's very interesting.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: I think that might have used to have been an
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 1: obelisk in that spot.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: That's what.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: It was interesting enough. And I know people like to
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 1: like a lot of times, people like to go with
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: the whole it's a penis. But my theory, my first
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: hearder here eventually in the future where you're gonna find
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: out those things are being used because if you look
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: down sometimes when I have my drone, the work that
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: you see on the floor, to me, it looks like
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: a power grid. Those things have something to do with
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: free energy.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't doubt it. I mean, you look at streets
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: and cities today and you look at a microchip and
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: you're like, dude, it looks it looks the same. It
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: looks so you know, geometrically it looks similar, right or
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't know the name for it for streets.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: But one thing I do want to say, and I'm
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: not trying to promote, uh, I'll just say it this way.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: Crowley was really good at this. You sexualize something, nobody
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: will look at it.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: That's a good point.
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: And that's it's like everybody should. But if you sexualize something,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: most people will never take any There's nothing in there.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 1: It's all just perversion. Hmmm.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. He is, like, that's a good point.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 2: That's a good way to bury certain things.
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, like dares and and I say, I don't think
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: he was the only one to do it. But like,
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 1: even if you look at the history in certain areas,
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: you are actually it was easier to talk about like
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: screwed up ship and publish it than it was actually
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: to talk about other things.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: Oh way, jeez, well what's crazy too? I mean when you.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 1: Were like like you like you could write about smut,
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: but like you probably couldn't talk about actuals like certain
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: occult ship.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: Right. And so what was it at Yale you did
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: with your drum?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, oh god, you it almost looked like that, Yes,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: it's but it's not. Yeah, it looked it looked like
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: the uniicversal hexagram, but there was a part in there
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 1: where it's completely off.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: What's the name of that, do you remember?
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: It might have been the New Haven Green?
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is interesting.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks extremely close to it, but if you
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: look at the middle you can tell it's wolf.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your footage is so much better than all
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: these pictures because you actually got the aerial of it.
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: But I'll show some pictures here. So you've got this one.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: If you were down, this would be like the top
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: area or vice versa or whatever. Maybe it looks like
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: there's a It just looked kind of crazy. Here's another
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: picture this this kind of shape here, all these geometric lines.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: You think this is something Crawley saw.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: Uh No, actually that simbil.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: Uh I mean I could look it up. This is
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: the that symbol he did not make up. He actually
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: took that from somebody else.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: Who do you so, who do you take this from? Just?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: Hell?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 4: Look it up? Unicersal hexagram actually, and so what a
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: what is it called a unicrstal hexagram? And this is
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: where you could draw a hexagram with.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: That one in one motion.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you never have to lift your hand up.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: Okyeah.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: It originally shows up. Well, they're saying, oh no, it's
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: brought up in this sixteen thirty nine hexagrama mysticum which whoa? Actually,
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: if you look at that, yo, you should go to
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: this page the unicessal hexagram that actually looks like what's
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: on the grounds the hexagram the hexagram hexagram, Yeah, unicersal hexagram.
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: If you go on the Wikipedia one and look at
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: the link for the for that hexagramma mysticum and just
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: put your hand like hover over it, and it shows
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: you the preview. What's the next page. If you were
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: to click on it, you'll see that you'll see the
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: same symbol come up.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, so you see are you seeing it
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: with me?
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: Where is it? Right here?
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: Oh? Hold on, hold on, let me switch over, let
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: me switch over. Yeah, over on that hexagramma mysticum right
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: up there. Yeah yeah, see oh dug, yeah.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: Look at all. Look at the Look at the geometry here.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: This almost looks like almost like that that sigil, that
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 2: Lucifer's sigil. Maybe I don't know, I mean, who knows,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: but so let me hover over that again. Okay, I
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: see that past scals there. Okay, this is wild stuff.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: Berto supposedly in fifteen eighty two, so like we Crowley used.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: It, it was already out. Here's another thing with him again
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: that people.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna be totally honest with you people.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: I think give him too much credit. There's really not
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: He didn't write all the rituals people think he wrote.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 1: There's only you know, a few handsful that he actually did.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Like he didn't come up with a universal asagram, you
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Like he was he was a
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: myster synthesis and stealing other people's work. I mean even
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: his line in the Serpent, I mean, that's that's taken
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: from like the line of Judas Gotcha. I mean it
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: was just other things a praxis or whatever. Like, there's
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 1: just so many different things that like he just squeezes.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: In my opinion, we used a lot of people's stuff.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 2: M So, I know you mentioned you mentioned or I mentioned,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: uh Liver King right with the he went viral with
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: the eye blown and everything. I know, this kind of
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: circles back to your experience and why you think he's doing.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: You think all these celebrities are kind of doing uh
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: either that or yeah, either that or it's like they're
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: in the family or in the club. You know. But
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's gonna sound silly probably to some people.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: But I do think, like, honestly, probably about seventy percent
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: of like famous people would probably will do to this.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I think some of them might even be that's why
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: they're so good at what they do, so good at
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: their instruments, so good at that truth is because they're
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: having the experiences I'm explaining, and they're putting whatever they
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: got into.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: That, right, right, that's crazy, man. Oh dude, jeez. Man, Well, Nick,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: we're at a We're at an hour and fifty five minutes. Man,
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: It's it's it's been an awesome time. We put in
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: some work, dude.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: It was our first episode together and I'm sure we'll
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: have many more. Sure, And I really had a good time.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: And it was and and again this is something a
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: little different that that we've been usually, you know, as
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: far as guests and stuff. And but you know what,
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 2: as a Christian, as a man of God and as
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: someone with you know, at least my belief system, it's
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: it's really important to have many different kinds of people
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: on this show. It's it's meant to build relationships and
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: build friendships with others that are a part of the
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: podcast community. Man. And because we all know a little
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 2: about a lot, and we all have so much that
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: we could really trade with each other. We have so
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: much that we could pass to each other as far
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: as different little golden nuggets of knowledge and all this
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff, man, And this conversation was a deep
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 2: one for me.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 1: Yea was just great chat for real.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I appreciate you, bro, and you know, I
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: hope everything for you, you know, just blessings for you, man,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: I hope blessings for you, and real quick for the
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: audience if you wouldn't mind just plug in your information
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: where they can check out your stuff and channels and
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: where they can support you the most.
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: H Yeah. The Occult rejects that it is on all
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: major podcasts. Uh so I'm bitchoot Rumble, uh YouTube and
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: uh yeah, bitch Rumble on YouTube. Yeah we got Facebook
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: as well, Twitter, Instagram, but uh yeah, if you want
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: to catch the videos, I suggest YouTube, but they maybe
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: you know, I won't sense it myself, so there could
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: be extra stuff on Rumble or definitely extra stuff on audio.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: So because the audio really doesn't sensor me with spreaker,
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah, check check that out.
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I'm glad that that's kind of like a
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: little perk for folks that check us out on audio.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 2: Everything is kind of it's nice. Freedom is nice.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: One time, actually, I will say one time, and this
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: is how they get you. There's a little bit of
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: thinking to leave. We'll leave with your listeners. Sometimes some
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: of the stuff like again, like with these initiations, that
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: stuff could actually be copyrighted, so when you start repeating it,
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: they can actually hit you with the copyright strike. And
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: when I covered like the first three initiations on my podcast,
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: I actually got it with like an email every single
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: and it was happening within like two or three days.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: Bit Shoot Rumble YouTube and Spreaker well took it down
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: because a lawyer, it was crazy, was a girl I
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: even knew, and went to the lodge that I was in.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: She was one of the lawyers for the OTO and
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 1: hit me with a DMCA saying that this is copyrighted
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: and it has to come down. So even their initiations
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 1: technically a copyrighted somewhere in a book.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. Yes, Wow, that's crazy, man, dude. It's so funny.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: How you know you just mentioned a normal person that
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: works for Spreaker. It seems like right, or they're a
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: lawyer or somewhere right.
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. They were away for the Oto
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 1: and yeah, they said they send a letter to Spreaker,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: and they actually took it down. Yeah, rumbled bit shoot
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: they they supposedly your free speech, they took it down.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: No line.
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 2: It's it's funny because what you're what you're saying makes
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: me think of in the movie Blaze, right, Blade obviously
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 2: you've got Blade, right, he's the he's the vampire killer dude, right,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: but he's like hybrid. And then you have the vampires,
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: which I'm making a connection with like the ot O
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: s right, or these secret societies, and then they have
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  Speaker 2: these familiars who kind of work for them.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the ones that like, go on, you baby,
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  Speaker 1: what are your boys?
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  Speaker 2: You're right right right? But golly man, well, hey man,
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you. This was a fun episode.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it a lot, and.
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  Speaker 2: I hope my audience did as well too.
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  Speaker 1: And looking forward to get you guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, dude, it's gonna be a lot of fun.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna work out definitely a bunch of Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna work up a bunch of my research for it, man,
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  Speaker 2: because it's it's some of it's kind of mind blowing.
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  Speaker 2: Some of it it's kind of like dark, but I
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  Speaker 2: kind of try to wrap it up with a nice
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  Speaker 2: positive message at the end, because you know, I am
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  Speaker 2: a man of freedom, and I, like, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: just want us to be humans, man. I want us
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  Speaker 2: to live and have a wonderful experience here on this planet.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But it just seems like
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  Speaker 2: there's just a lot of totalitarian, technocratic stuff that's going
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  Speaker 2: on and just getting out of hand, and if we
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  Speaker 2: could expose it as much as we can, then you know,
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  Speaker 2: people will be able to hopefully one day, you know,
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  Speaker 2: stand up against the machine. So but Nick, thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much, man, I appreciate you, and I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: move right over into the next segment.