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#1664 Fun Times & Cataclysmic Events - Patrick Bonello (PT1) · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I got our you, Bloody Champions. Welcome to another installment
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Speaker 1: of the project. That is Ukraig Athey Harper, Patrick James Bonillo.
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Speaker 1: We are sans Tiffany and Cook. That is, we are
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Speaker 1: without Tiffany and Cook because she's selfishly trapsing around the
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Speaker 1: world International Bloody Explorer that she is currently. I think
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Speaker 1: he's still in India. She's coming back very soon, in
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Speaker 1: the next day or two. But you know, where you
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Speaker 1: and I are is not quite as exotic, Patrick, But nonetheless,
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Speaker 1: you know, we do what we can.
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Speaker 2: I'm in little old ba Land and our western Melbourne.
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Speaker 2: But I was just excited this morning that I bucketed
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Speaker 2: down last night and then I got my weather radar
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Speaker 2: map and I worked out that there was going to
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Speaker 2: be a break in the weather while I was walking Fritz.
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Speaker 2: So life is good when you can take the Fritzmeister
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Speaker 2: out for a walk. He's got a new buddy. We
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Speaker 2: got a friend, Heather. She's got a new puppy. And
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Speaker 2: I know we were talking about dogs in the last episode,
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Speaker 2: but puppy's a maniacs, aren't they. I know. I don't
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Speaker 2: mean to alienate our audience who don't have dogs, but gee, man,
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Speaker 2: when you got a like a three or four month
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Speaker 2: old puppy, poor Fritz is just being jumped on and
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Speaker 2: rolled over and he's so good. So yeah, puppy's a
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Speaker 2: whole new experience.
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Speaker 1: Did he love his little sojourn this morning? You take
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Speaker 1: him out every day? Right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm just sending you something now, which is terribly bad.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say it's bad radio, but fuck you
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Speaker 1: and I it's like we I think I just sent
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Speaker 1: you to Did you just get two pictures? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Waiting, I'm scared. Oh here we go. No, no, no,
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Speaker 2: So here's what I want to so p this somewhere.
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Speaker 1: I was thinking of redesigning the dashound, right or the ductionund? Right? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: So I said to chat GPT, can you create a
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Speaker 1: cartoon image of a ductionund with six legs? And so
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Speaker 1: then it sent me that image. Now I've already put
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Speaker 1: this up on funt, which is just a comic. It's
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Speaker 1: got four legs, so I go, it doesn't and then
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Speaker 1: it's like, is there anything else you need to help with?
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Speaker 1: And I said, well, it doesn't have six legs. So
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Speaker 1: it did me an image everyone, but it just was
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Speaker 1: a regular dash und with four legs.
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Speaker 2: And then I saw, what what have you created? It
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Speaker 2: looks like a millipede, That's what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: That's when I said, Okay, so it sent me an image.
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Speaker 1: I feel like people are going, what the fuck is
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Speaker 1: he talking about? All right, so I typed into chat GPT,
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Speaker 1: can you create a cartoon image of a dash und
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Speaker 1: with six legs? Because I thought that would be funny,
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Speaker 1: because I think having two extra legs in the middle
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Speaker 1: is helpful in terms of engineering and design. Not that
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Speaker 1: God doesn't know what he's doing or she's doing, but anyway.
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Speaker 1: And then so it did me an image, but just
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Speaker 1: a regular dashund. And then I said, it doesn't have
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Speaker 1: six legs, and then it did one with about twenty legs.
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Speaker 2: It's got I just counted, it's got thirteen legs. It's
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Speaker 2: got five on the ground and other appendages are just
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Speaker 2: floating in mid air. One's coming out of its back,
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Speaker 2: so yeah, underneath the tail, it's pooping out one leg. Wow.
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Speaker 2: If that came towards you, man, would you run in
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Speaker 2: the other direction? But you've got no chance with that.
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Speaker 1: Well, I still think the idea of chat GBT being
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Speaker 1: a thousand times smarter than you and me. I think
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Speaker 1: it's still got some work to do before it gets there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I agree with that. It's funny. I've got
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Speaker 2: a story that I was going to talk about at
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Speaker 2: some point during the show, so I might as well
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Speaker 2: just jump into it, because I know we've got other
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Speaker 2: stuff to talk about too. But do you remember about
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Speaker 2: two years ago there was a guy who entered a
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Speaker 2: piece of artwork into the Colorado State Fair that was
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Speaker 2: actually AI generated. All this controversy came out. Artists said,
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Speaker 2: wait a minute, that style is similar to my style,
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Speaker 2: and the AI had been trained on existing artworks, and
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Speaker 2: so this guy tried to pass it off and then
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Speaker 2: admitted that he had used a program called mid Journey.
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Speaker 2: And now though he then tried to have the image
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Speaker 2: copyrighted on the basis this guy by the name of
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Speaker 2: Jason Allen, he basically said, look, I did get mid
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Speaker 2: Journey to create the original, but that I had to
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Speaker 2: keep prompting it. And he claims it took him one
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Speaker 2: hundred and ten hours of work to end up with
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Speaker 2: the final piece, and he was just using this AI
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Speaker 2: prompt and refining and refining and refining and that's how
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Speaker 2: long it took. It sounds like he's pretty average at
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Speaker 2: doing AI generation. But anyway, so now, but the copyright
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Speaker 2: authority said, no, it's not going to happen. We are
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Speaker 2: definitely not going to be fooled. This is not really
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Speaker 2: a human generated piece of artwork. So the copyright office
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Speaker 2: basically refused to register. It's called Theater de Opera Spatial
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Speaker 2: and it looks pretty good if you want to look
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Speaker 2: it up, Theatre de Opera spatial, and it's quite an
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Speaker 2: interesting looking piece of artwork. It's these people in flowing
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Speaker 2: gowns and a portal looking through this mystical window. It's
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Speaker 2: actually it's stunning and it looks like it's been painted,
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Speaker 2: but obviously it's all been generated using AI. But what
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Speaker 2: this guy's kind of arguing is this is AI is
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Speaker 2: just a tool like any tool that's out there, and
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Speaker 2: it takes a lot of human input to come up
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Speaker 2: with this. In fact, one hundred and ten hours to
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Speaker 2: come up with this particular piece of what he created
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Speaker 2: he claims is a unique artwork.
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Speaker 1: Now, well, I'm just looking at it right now. Did
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Speaker 1: you say Theater de Opera spatial.
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Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. So it's just pow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So that is what I'm looking at. Sorry, is
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Speaker 1: that an actual painting that he ripped off or is
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Speaker 1: that what he created?
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Speaker 2: He created with AI?
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Speaker 1: So this is all It's amazing.
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Speaker 2: It is amazing. I know, I think it's super cool,
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Speaker 2: But that's amazing. It's all been created using AI. And
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Speaker 2: the argument is that elements of that painting have been
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Speaker 2: borrowed from other artists. Because so what you've got to
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Speaker 2: realize is that these AI models are chain on real
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Speaker 2: world experience. So if I wanted to create the voice
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Speaker 2: of a middle aged, handsome man sipping coffee, wearing glasses
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Speaker 2: with an Everlast T shirt, then potentially, you know, enough
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Speaker 2: samples of a new project could generate a voice like yours.
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Speaker 2: But in the case of artworks, if you're training a
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Speaker 2: particularly say Van Goch, I mean early in the piece,
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Speaker 2: I was doing lots of Schnauzers in Van goth style.
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Speaker 2: Because of course I.
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Speaker 1: Can I just say that sentence that just came out
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Speaker 1: of your mouth. In the history of humankind, nobody has
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Speaker 1: ever fucking said, you know, my early days, I was
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Speaker 1: doing a lot of schnauzers in Van Goff style. That
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Speaker 1: is those ridiculous fucking sentence, let alone on this podcast.
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Speaker 2: You know, the funny thing is people say that to
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Speaker 2: me a lot, that they never thought that the words
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Speaker 2: that come out of my mouth have ever been uttered
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Speaker 2: by anybody else.
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Speaker 1: It's true, not in that particular, not in that sequence.
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Speaker 1: But what I want to say is this, I want
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Speaker 1: to challenge you, right, No, not you, just the idea
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Speaker 1: that you know, this was done by AI, built on
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Speaker 1: perhaps other kinds of styles, used original styles, and then
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Speaker 1: he he allegedly over one hundred and ten hours, back
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Speaker 1: and forth, back and forth. It could be argued that
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Speaker 1: just like a paintbrush is a tool, just like a
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Speaker 1: keyboard is a tool for writing, just like a knife
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Speaker 1: is a tool for carving or whatever, that AI is
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Speaker 1: also a tool for creating things. Now, if you say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: but this was kind of ripping off different styles of
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Speaker 1: existing original art and artist, which I agree. I agree,
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Speaker 1: But then like I think about this, So if that's
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Speaker 1: true and he's a fraud, then I'm a fraud. And
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Speaker 1: I tell you why, because when it comes to sharing
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Speaker 1: things with the world, almost none of the stuff that
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Speaker 1: I share is It's not like I invented these ideas
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Speaker 1: or these strategies or the or psychology. Like everything is
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Speaker 1: built on everyone else's work, you know, and I think that.
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Speaker 1: You know, show me a self help book that has
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Speaker 1: got no unoriginal ideas. It doesn't exist. You know, all
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Speaker 1: the psychology books, all the human behavior books, they're taking
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Speaker 1: on stuff that was done by other people.
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Speaker 2: Well, it could be argued that Elon Musk's Tesla has
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Speaker 2: been a direct ripoff of ug the caveman who chiseled
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Speaker 2: out the very first wheel.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean that's well, that's ridiculous, but not really.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think that, by the way,
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Speaker 1: that is a fucking amazing looking image. It's called Theater
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Speaker 1: de Opera spatial everyone. I would love a print of that.
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Speaker 1: That is an amazing thing.
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Speaker 2: That's cool.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like what I think is good is this dude
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Speaker 1: created this, Yes, with Ai, but he conceptualized what he
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Speaker 1: wanted it to look like. Well, I would buy that.
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Speaker 2: I would buy that because if you want to buy that,
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Speaker 2: I will sell you my schnauzer flying past Saturn in
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Speaker 2: a medieval costume on Sputnik.
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Speaker 3: See, but I'm not interested in that, see me, and
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Speaker 3: no one in the world is interested in your fucking
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Speaker 3: schnauzer in orbit right, And by the way, that sounds
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Speaker 3: like some sexual faux pa your Schnauzer in orbit.
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Speaker 2: But the thing is, those terms that I have used
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Speaker 2: are totally unique in humanity. Well I can guarantee you
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Speaker 2: almost that no one ever in the history of humanity
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Speaker 2: has ever visualized that. And then consequently Aid generated a
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Speaker 2: picture of motion now as a on spot Nick flying
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Speaker 2: past Satin in a medieval costume, a medieval space suit.
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Speaker 1: A good reason. A good reason.
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Speaker 2: It insight the way my mind works.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I want to tell you something which has got
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Speaker 1: nothing to do with tech, but so this morning, and
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Speaker 1: I just think this is interesting for our audience. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, we're probably going to do a longer
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Speaker 1: chat today. Everyone just leaning back and turning off my heater.
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Speaker 1: I met up with Jan and Ee and Fraser. Do
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Speaker 1: you remember Jan and Ene from gym?
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Speaker 2: Really? Yeah for sure?
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Speaker 1: And it's like, what is what is amazing? Let me
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Speaker 1: give you the quick backstory. So Jan, for our listeners,
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Speaker 1: Jan was a client at my gym, which Patrick also was.
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Speaker 1: That's where we met hundred We met there, didn't we?
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Speaker 1: I mean, or did I meet you before that?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: I met you through the gym, through the gym here,
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Speaker 1: and so anyway, Jan was a client. She was around
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Speaker 1: fifty at the time, and I remember having a conversation
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Speaker 1: with her. It went kind of like this, and she
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Speaker 1: said to me she was an actor. She was on television,
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Speaker 1: she was in TV shows. She was like a voiceover artist,
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Speaker 1: very creative and very well spoken. And I remember her
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Speaker 1: saying to me one day, if I was younger, I
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Speaker 1: would do this. It's such a great it's such a
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Speaker 1: great job being a trainer, right, and helping people and
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Speaker 1: talking to people, and she's a great communicator and great
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Speaker 1: people person. And at that stage, maybe she was fifty
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Speaker 1: two or three, which to me seemed like one hundred
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Speaker 1: and sixty, right, And I said to her, well, if
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Speaker 1: you go and get qualified, I'll give you a job,
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Speaker 1: because I knew she'd be a good trainer, even though
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Speaker 1: she was in her fifties and had never worked in
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Speaker 1: the fitness industry, just because she was a good communicator
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Speaker 1: and also very very great awareness, great social skills, and
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Speaker 1: also in very good shape. So she went and did
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Speaker 1: that and subsequently became a trainer working for me, and
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Speaker 1: still exercises and still very fit and trained, was training
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Speaker 1: people up until a few years ago. So now she's
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Speaker 1: eighty four and her husband, Ian is eighty six, and
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Speaker 1: I had coffee with him this morning, and it's hard
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Speaker 1: to explain. I cannot do justice to how amazing they are.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you see people who are eighty four
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Speaker 1: and eighty six and they're still somewhat independent, you think, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's amazing. I said to phrase Ian, the husband. I said,
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Speaker 1: so he's still he's still training. What are you doing
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Speaker 1: like he looks amazing? He goes, yeah, I go how
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Speaker 1: often he goes? Every day? I go coursier. I go, so,
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Speaker 1: so what are you doing? He goes, oh, well, I
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Speaker 1: do bike, I do stand up paddle board, and I
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Speaker 1: do waits, you know, most days, and he does so
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Speaker 1: his cardio is stand up paddle boarding. I said, so,
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Speaker 1: so how far?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: Remember have you ever stood on a stand up paddle board?
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Speaker 2: Mate? No, no, I've seen it being done. It looks
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Speaker 2: bloody hard.
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Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard. So just for a you know,
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Speaker 1: you and me are young compared to him, just standing
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Speaker 1: on a paddle board and not falling off. I said,
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Speaker 1: how far do you paddle? When he goes, oh, I
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Speaker 1: have a set thing. I do up and back it's
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Speaker 1: five and a half kilometers. So this eighty six year
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Speaker 1: old paddles couple of times a week five and a
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Speaker 1: half k's. He does half an hour or so on
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Speaker 1: the rower. He gets out and rides about twenty k's
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Speaker 1: on his bike. Now we're not talking about an indoor
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Speaker 1: we're talking about out, you know, twenty or thirty k's
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Speaker 1: on a mountain bike on the road, and he does
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Speaker 1: I said, what do your weights look like? He goes,
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Speaker 1: I just alternate upper body one day, lower body the
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Speaker 1: next seven days a week, and Jam does the same.
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Speaker 1: Jam trains with the trainer one day. She trains herself
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Speaker 1: twice a week with weights. She trains with remember Silvio
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Speaker 1: from my joint, She does boxing with him. And it's
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Speaker 1: just like, it's such good evidence that when you just
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Speaker 1: keep doing, you know, it's not about being obsessed, but
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Speaker 1: just all the things that most people don't do, which
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Speaker 1: is exercise consistently, lift weights, eat great, have purpose, be excited.
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Speaker 1: You know. I know not everybody can do that for
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Speaker 1: medical reasons, but a lot more can do it than
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Speaker 1: are doing it. Fucking amazing, amazing.
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Speaker 2: My favorite story about Jad and I don't know if
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Speaker 2: you were there, but I would have it to her
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Speaker 2: place for a barbecue and she'd barbecued sweet potato or
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Speaker 2: roasted sweet potato in the jackets. But they were really
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Speaker 2: thin sweet potato, and I've never managed to get them
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Speaker 2: since every sweet potato I've had has always been the big,
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Speaker 2: chunky ones. But she had these little, tiny sweet potatoes.
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Speaker 2: They were really good.
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Speaker 1: Anyway, I love a good sweet potato, and if we're
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Speaker 1: getting old, geeky sweet potato, pretty good because you've got
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Speaker 1: a lower GI than normal potato, so less sugar and
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Speaker 1: less impact on blood sugar, which may is less insulin
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Speaker 1: floating around your body, which is good. So if you
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Speaker 1: want a potato, have a sweet potato. Everyone, I think
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Speaker 1: their GI is around thirty or forty instead of eighty,
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Speaker 1: which is a lot of other variables around that. But
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Speaker 1: it's good. You were just telling me without going too
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Speaker 1: deep before we started that a few challenges on planet
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Speaker 1: you with the family. Isn't it interesting when people get
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Speaker 1: you know, I know, obviously, but your dad's not a
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Speaker 1: spring chicken anymore like my dad, and so just that
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Speaker 1: things often happen all at once. You've had some issues
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Speaker 1: with your brother. Both your brothers to be honest and
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Speaker 1: just trying to navigate, you know, out of the relative
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Speaker 1: calm and easiness of life. Then all of a sudden
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Speaker 1: you get hit with about three or four things. How's
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Speaker 1: that been for you?
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Speaker 2: You know, it's funny, and I reckon that of our
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Speaker 2: listeners there would be a high percentage that have gone
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Speaker 2: through similar stuff, but are going through this sort of
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Speaker 2: thing where you know, it's the old straw that breaks
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Speaker 2: the camel's back. And so look the short without going
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Speaker 2: into all the gory details, Dad started experiencing depression and
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Speaker 2: things like that and was saying things that were really
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Speaker 2: concerning about his health and his state of mental health.
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Speaker 2: I guess, but my younger disabled brother lives with him
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Speaker 2: at a retirement village, and of course, with Dad then
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Speaker 2: not able to look after him, Dad being then taken
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Speaker 2: into care, it meant that my disabled brother had to
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Speaker 2: move in with my twin brother during the week and
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Speaker 2: then coming up to me at the weekends, very different weekends,
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Speaker 2: not every weekend, but every second weekend or every other weekend.
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Speaker 2: And so we've been juggling that around while we try
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Speaker 2: to apply for NDIS funding. We've been knocked back before
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Speaker 2: because Dad being one of those proud European baby boomers
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Speaker 2: didn't want to admit that his son wasn't able to
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Speaker 2: look after himself. So when the ot came out, passion
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Speaker 2: or therapist came out, he said, yes, of course Chason
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Speaker 2: can make his breakfast. Of course he can shower. Of
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Speaker 2: course he knows which shoe to put on which foot,
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Speaker 2: you know, all that sort of stuff. And of course
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Speaker 2: he doesn't. And that's the shame of it, because you know,
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Speaker 2: a lot of baby boomers had to rough it. You know,
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Speaker 2: they went through a really tough upbringing. They didn't you know,
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Speaker 2: they scrimped and they saved to buy, they worked hard,
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Speaker 2: but they have a level of pride. And I know
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Speaker 2: your parents are exactly the same. And so our generation
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Speaker 2: is kind of coping with the older generation of people
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Speaker 2: who are now going into I guess health decline and
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Speaker 2: how they cope with that varies from person to person.
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Speaker 2: It's the human condition. But everyone wants to maintain their pride,
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Speaker 2: and that's what we're going through. So, you know, we're
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Speaker 2: hoping that it's three strikes not out when we've put
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Speaker 2: in our third application to try to get some sort
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Speaker 2: of support, because at the same time and I'm sure
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Speaker 2: you know, it's a difficult one to kind of talk
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Speaker 2: about family and stuff. But my brother, who's primary care
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Speaker 2: primarily the care for my disabled brother, has now got
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Speaker 2: sick as well. Totally unrelated, but he's got a really
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Speaker 2: severe procedure to come up, medical procedure coming up next
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Speaker 2: month next month, and so we're kind of working out
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Speaker 2: what the heck we're going to be doing with all
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Speaker 2: of that. So, yeah, there's lots going on in the
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Speaker 2: world of me at the moment. But the more people
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Speaker 2: I seem to speak to, and I guess it's because
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Speaker 2: people are in the same age demographic as us. A
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Speaker 2: lot of people have been doing it hard at the moment,
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Speaker 2: whether it's financial. There's pressures. You know, you go to
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Speaker 2: the supermarket, you fill up with petrol, and everything's more expensive,
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Speaker 2: and I think the cost of living's going up, and
18:39
Speaker 2: that creates additional pressures for people. So it is cumulative.
18:42
Speaker 2: And I guess let's send out a big hug to everyone.
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Speaker 2: I don't really you know, like a you project hug.
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Speaker 2: It's one of those things that you know, look for
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Speaker 2: joy in your day, and for me, that's how I
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Speaker 2: get through it. I look for elements of joy. Seeing
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Speaker 2: my dog running down the park with a puppy jumping
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Speaker 2: all over him, falling over, rolling around. That was an
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Speaker 2: hour of joy. Walking with a friend of mine. I'm
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Speaker 2: going out with friends for dinner tonight. They've been away
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Speaker 2: on holiday, so I get to hang out with them
19:10
Speaker 2: for a while. So I think for me, the real yeah,
19:14
Speaker 2: the real key to getting through is just looking for
19:18
Speaker 2: those little moments. One of the real joys I had yesterday.
19:21
Speaker 2: I'm just indulging at the moment, harps. But one of
19:24
Speaker 2: the really lovely things that happened to me yesterday is
19:26
Speaker 2: a really good friend of mine who's an artist. She
19:30
Speaker 2: is part of our tai Chi group and we do
19:32
Speaker 2: a couple of different tai chief forms using sticks. But
19:35
Speaker 2: what she's done is she's a beautiful artist. She has
19:38
Speaker 2: decorated hand painted sticks for all the tai chiese students
19:43
Speaker 2: in different themes. So one lady likes frogs and has
19:47
Speaker 2: this garden out in the bush and there's lakes and
19:52
Speaker 2: you know, lots of native wildlife. Another lady came from Africa,
19:55
Speaker 2: from Zimbabwe or anyway one of those z's in and
20:01
Speaker 2: hers has got meer kats On it. My tai chi
20:04
Speaker 2: teacher has a green drag and that wraps all the
20:06
Speaker 2: way around the stick. To paint on a three D
20:10
Speaker 2: object is really hard. But then she sits down at
20:13
Speaker 2: the person and she comes up with a theme and
20:16
Speaker 2: so she wants to submit this artwork and put on
20:19
Speaker 2: a unique exhibit at the Ballarat Gallery. And you've got
20:22
Speaker 2: to go through this really rigorous process. Obviously they have
20:25
Speaker 2: maintained a very high standard and to get community artists
20:28
Speaker 2: to be on display. So we helped her do that.
20:31
Speaker 2: We recorded it in my new studio setting, which was
20:34
Speaker 2: really fun, and we videoed and of course that's a
20:37
Speaker 2: challenge in itself, having the sticks move and rotate so
20:40
Speaker 2: you can really take best advantage and see all the artwork.
20:43
Speaker 2: So that was a real moment of joy for me
20:45
Speaker 2: because we've got to spend some time with a friend
20:47
Speaker 2: and help her out along with my colleague Robert, and
20:50
Speaker 2: we just had the absolute best time just hanging out
20:54
Speaker 2: and really enjoying helping somebody who couldn't have done it
20:58
Speaker 2: by themselves. And hopefully we'll be able to work with
21:00
Speaker 2: her to exhibit. This would be really awesome.
21:03
Speaker 1: That's really nice, man, it's really nice. It's like when
21:06
Speaker 1: you you know, there's this framework that I talk about
21:09
Speaker 1: that I didn't invent. I just kind of put a
21:11
Speaker 1: few different people's ideas together and added in my own stuff.
21:15
Speaker 1: But it's like this trying to understand yourself and trying
21:19
Speaker 1: to figure out who you are and what your life
21:21
Speaker 1: is about, and what is my purpose? What do I
21:24
Speaker 1: think the way I am? What is success for me?
21:28
Speaker 1: What the fuck is my existence for?
21:30
Speaker 2: Right?
21:31
Speaker 1: And it starts with self reflection, and then it goes
21:34
Speaker 1: to self awareness, and it goes through all these different
21:37
Speaker 1: self stages. And the second last one is self actualization,
21:42
Speaker 1: which is you kind of starting to be whatever is
21:45
Speaker 1: the best version of you. What that means, you know,
21:47
Speaker 1: reaching your goals, building resilient, like becoming the person that
21:51
Speaker 1: you really want to be. But the last one, which
21:53
Speaker 1: is what you're talking about really, which is self transcendence,
21:57
Speaker 1: which is having a purpose bigger than you. You know. Yeah,
22:02
Speaker 1: so that's that's like, well, you know, like want it
22:06
Speaker 1: or not. My life now a fair bit is about
22:10
Speaker 1: my mum and dad, and it's going to continue to
22:13
Speaker 1: be that way. And I mean I always loved my
22:15
Speaker 1: mum and dad, but it now requires you know, a
22:18
Speaker 1: fair bit of time, energy, attention, travel, you know, putting
22:24
Speaker 1: other things to the side, which is absolutely fine. And
22:27
Speaker 1: then but inside of me, I'm a little bit a
22:31
Speaker 1: bit of me is like, oh fucking hell, this is
22:33
Speaker 1: a fuck But a bit of a bigger bit of
22:36
Speaker 1: me is like, how lucky are you that your mum
22:38
Speaker 1: and dad are here? How lucky are you that you
22:40
Speaker 1: get to spend time with them? Talk to them?
22:44
Speaker 2: You know.
22:44
Speaker 1: Every time mum rings with like another catastrophe about her phone,
22:49
Speaker 1: it's like, no, Mum, your batteries Like this week or
22:52
Speaker 1: yesterday was she had a new battery put in her phone,
22:55
Speaker 1: which anyway, that's another conversation. But she's like, and now
23:00
Speaker 1: screen's dark, the battery doesn't work. The screen's dark. He
23:03
Speaker 1: ripped me off. I'm like, it isn't the battery. You've
23:06
Speaker 1: you've probably accidentally touched the settings the you know, No,
23:11
Speaker 1: I didn't, it's not it's it. I'm going to go up.
23:13
Speaker 1: I'm going to you know. And then so my surrogate
23:16
Speaker 1: sister who lives up there near mum, I went, can
23:19
Speaker 1: you go over and fix her fucking phone? So she
23:22
Speaker 1: goes over. It's literally a sixty second fix and it's
23:24
Speaker 1: all better, right, but you can't like the funny thing
23:29
Speaker 1: is and God bless her, like you can't even say
23:32
Speaker 1: to Mum, Okay, what I want you to do is
23:35
Speaker 1: go into settings because and if you've ever seen a
23:39
Speaker 1: really I don't mean like you and I well I'm
23:41
Speaker 1: older than you, but i mean really old people with
23:45
Speaker 1: smartphones tend to tap the screen like a fucking woodpecker.
23:50
Speaker 1: I'm like, Mum, stop assaulting your phone with your index finger.
23:55
Speaker 1: You know, the idea of trying to swipe and you know,
24:00
Speaker 1: just gently tap something and just foreign to her. But
24:04
Speaker 1: at the same time, I go, yeah, I'm going to
24:07
Speaker 1: miss all this shit one day. One day, I'm going
24:09
Speaker 1: to wish that she would ring me with a catastrophe
24:13
Speaker 1: that isn't really a catastrophe.
24:15
Speaker 2: You know, I completely understand where you're coming from, but
24:18
Speaker 2: I've got to come to her defense as well. Okay,
24:21
Speaker 2: when I talk to foodpeckering phones, there's a thing called
24:24
Speaker 2: zombie fingers, and it's a real thing. It's where people who,
24:29
Speaker 2: for whatever reason, they don't have the tactile connectivity to
24:33
Speaker 2: activate a screen on a phone, they have to press
24:36
Speaker 2: harder because their feelings work as well. As other people.
24:39
Speaker 2: You know Taur who I do a podcast with, we
24:41
Speaker 2: were doing podcasts. She has zombie fingers. So yeah, so
24:45
Speaker 2: some people don't whatever it is with their hands. Maybe
24:47
Speaker 2: it's a circulation thing, but their fingers don't work on
24:51
Speaker 2: their phones as well as other people. So maybe mum
24:54
Speaker 2: has zombie things.
24:55
Speaker 1: So who would have thought that having big, moist, chunky,
24:58
Speaker 1: clammy fingers would be advantage?
25:01
Speaker 2: You used another appendage on your phone, just wondering. You know,
25:06
Speaker 2: an elbow and those in.
25:09
Speaker 1: A primary Patrick, Usually it's me that opens the door
25:13
Speaker 1: and we're keeping it closed today. We're trying to keep
25:16
Speaker 1: it family friendly. Can we talk about help.
25:20
Speaker 2: Clean the screen on your phone? Because we should clean
25:22
Speaker 2: the screens every day, you know what? Yeah?
25:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, I only the only thing I clean, well, I
25:31
Speaker 1: do wipe the screen. Can you see this? Little have
25:34
Speaker 1: a little yellow.
25:35
Speaker 2: Rag that you what the hell do you clean the rag?
25:38
Speaker 3: Though?
25:41
Speaker 2: If it's the same rag you use every day, you're
25:43
Speaker 2: not cleaning your phone, You're making it up more dirty.
25:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just smearing the existing grease up to the corner,
25:50
Speaker 1: the finger grease. No, I wash it. I have like
25:54
Speaker 1: little terry toweling towel. Everyone that's it's like one of
25:57
Speaker 1: those polishing rags that you get from I don't know where,
26:01
Speaker 1: but I got a packet of them, like twelve yellow ones,
26:04
Speaker 1: and I just every couple of weeks, I just stop
26:07
Speaker 1: picking on me.
26:08
Speaker 2: You know what, if I opened your cupboard and there
26:11
Speaker 2: was like twenty boxes of twelve, I wouldn't be surprised.
26:15
Speaker 1: I do get once I do find something, I tend
26:18
Speaker 1: to overbuy. I don't know. This is what I'm like.
26:21
Speaker 1: So I'm very boring, but I have most nights I
26:25
Speaker 1: have a version of the same thing. I have some
26:27
Speaker 1: kind of meat and rice and instead of cooking, you know,
26:31
Speaker 1: proper cooking rice from scratch, I just microwave the two
26:36
Speaker 1: minute stuff in about the ninety second stuff in a bag.
26:40
Speaker 1: And so it's if I find it on special, I'll
26:42
Speaker 1: buy fifty.
26:45
Speaker 2: I'll buy fifty. You I know that about you.
26:48
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, what why not? Like I'm going to
26:51
Speaker 1: use them anyway. What's the point of going back every
26:54
Speaker 1: five days to get five more when I can buy,
26:57
Speaker 1: you know, two months worth in one hit. And by
27:00
Speaker 1: the way, they're on special winning.
27:02
Speaker 2: I feel like I don't know that. I want to
27:04
Speaker 2: tell you the first story today, because I'm worried that you,
27:07
Speaker 2: with your OCD are going to start to panic and
27:10
Speaker 2: look up at the night sky with a worried look
27:13
Speaker 2: on your face.
27:14
Speaker 1: Do you know, I reckon, I do have a little
27:17
Speaker 1: bit of OCD. That might be a I don't but
27:20
Speaker 1: I don't know. With some things, I don't give a fuck,
27:22
Speaker 1: But with other things, Yeah, there's a little there's a
27:25
Speaker 1: little acronym in there that probably needs to be explored,
27:28
Speaker 1: all right, tell.
27:29
Speaker 2: Me, well, okay, a few days ago, like well, a
27:33
Speaker 2: few days ago, about a month ago, an asteroid was
27:36
Speaker 2: spotted curved towards the Earth. Astronomers established that it was
27:40
Speaker 2: going to hit the planet within ten hours. Right, It
27:44
Speaker 2: ended up near the Philippines, an island in the Philippines,
27:47
Speaker 2: and it bursted into flames and it came through. Now,
27:52
Speaker 2: as it happened, the Earth didn't end. We're here now, right,
27:56
Speaker 2: It was not that big. However, the estimate that there's
28:00
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff out there that we just can't
28:03
Speaker 2: see from Earth, and that's the problem. So what we
28:07
Speaker 2: don't know is in the background, and now we will know,
28:10
Speaker 2: is that there's an organization called Planetary Defense, or a
28:14
Speaker 2: group called planetary Defense and they're working so it's part
28:18
Speaker 2: of NASA, and they're working to try to find better
28:21
Speaker 2: ways to discover all of those objects that we have
28:26
Speaker 2: near missus with. And not that long ago, there was
28:30
Speaker 2: a very first project that was done by NASA, and
28:34
Speaker 2: what they did was they fired a small probe into
28:41
Speaker 2: an asteroid to try to deflect it off course, and
28:45
Speaker 2: it did. They worked out that the impact on this
28:47
Speaker 2: particular asteroid was enough to nudge it a little bit.
28:51
Speaker 2: And so what they're saying is, we know, if we
28:53
Speaker 2: have enough warning, we could nudge them out of the way.
28:58
Speaker 2: So they're now looking at different ways to track what's
29:04
Speaker 2: going on in space. But the interesting thing is this,
29:07
Speaker 2: if an asteroid just twenty meters long exploded in the
29:11
Speaker 2: sky above us, it would smash windows, knock people on
29:17
Speaker 2: their feet. So that's a twenty meter long a fifty
29:20
Speaker 2: space rock could decimate a whole town, widespread infrastructure damage, etc.
29:26
Speaker 2: All that sort of stuff. Now, an asteroid one hundred
29:28
Speaker 2: and forty meters in length, if it made its way
29:31
Speaker 2: to the ground, would basically slice a hole on the
29:34
Speaker 2: face of the planet, probably dinosaur like extinction level events.
29:38
Speaker 2: So there's still a lot of this stuff flying around.
29:41
Speaker 2: So this new applied science called planetary defense, which is
29:45
Speaker 2: exactly I guess what it sounds like, is now being
29:48
Speaker 2: employed to try to look for what these asteroids that
29:53
Speaker 2: are floating around potentially could get close to the Earth
29:57
Speaker 2: and what they would do. So there was this Dart
29:59
Speaker 2: mission that I was saying before, and the dart managed
30:02
Speaker 2: to detour one of these asteroids, and so the thought
30:07
Speaker 2: is there could be fourteen thousand of these that we
30:11
Speaker 2: haven't found yet float no happen.
30:14
Speaker 1: How about how about you shut the fuck up right
30:19
Speaker 1: because now you've just made one hundred people have a
30:22
Speaker 1: sleepless night.
30:23
Speaker 2: But our say here is this NASA has what they're
30:27
Speaker 2: about to launch a new mission within the next ten years,
30:31
Speaker 2: the NASA the Near Earth Object Surveyor or the Neo
30:35
Speaker 2: Surveyor mission. So it's basically a sniper in space. It's
30:40
Speaker 2: going to be hidden and out of space, and within
30:42
Speaker 2: they reckon about ten years of being launched, it'll find
30:45
Speaker 2: ninety percent of all those city killing asteroids that are
30:48
Speaker 2: out there. So relief is on the way. And what
30:51
Speaker 2: they've done this is what's really cool about this this
30:53
Speaker 2: object is they're going to cover it in a material
30:56
Speaker 2: that will make it really cold, really really really cold,
30:59
Speaker 2: because it has thermal senses as well as visual sensors,
31:03
Speaker 2: and every object that's still floating around does have some
31:05
Speaker 2: sort of heat pattern. So the problem is all these
31:09
Speaker 2: asteroids are made at different things, and if you use
31:11
Speaker 2: optics or different ways to try to detect how large
31:14
Speaker 2: they are, if they're made of metal, they will look
31:17
Speaker 2: different than if they're made of other materials. So that's
31:20
Speaker 2: the problem and the challenge of trying to work out
31:23
Speaker 2: how big they are and then find out what their
31:25
Speaker 2: trajectory is. So do you feel a little bit better
31:28
Speaker 2: that they're now? No.
31:30
Speaker 1: I think you brought something to our attention that we
31:34
Speaker 1: didn't need to know, and that if an asteroid's going
31:38
Speaker 1: to fuck us up, it's going to fuck us up,
31:39
Speaker 1: you know, like I think about personally. It reminded me
31:44
Speaker 1: of Israel's iron Dome.
31:47
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yea, I've been looking at it.
31:48
Speaker 1: It's a little bit like that on steroids. But I'm thinking,
31:52
Speaker 1: could you imagine Patrick, the physics, the mathematics that like
31:59
Speaker 1: all the algorithms everything, So you've got a thing hurtling
32:03
Speaker 1: through space and time that's millions of miles away that
32:08
Speaker 1: you're trying to figure out how fast it's traveling, how
32:11
Speaker 1: big it is, its trajectory, and then you've got to
32:15
Speaker 1: build something on Earth or shoot something away from Earth
32:18
Speaker 1: to meet it at the right you know, so it
32:21
Speaker 1: intersects it, it doesn't miss it, and then it hits
32:24
Speaker 1: it in the right spot to deflect enough so that
32:30
Speaker 1: it misses the Earth. I mean, what imagine the fucking people,
32:35
Speaker 1: the geniuses or genie I think the word is imagine
32:38
Speaker 1: the genie. I working on that to make that happen
32:41
Speaker 1: to me. That's just that's There's been a bunch of
32:45
Speaker 1: movies about this too, by the way, Yeah.
32:47
Speaker 2: I think about nineties maybe the age now it was,
32:49
Speaker 2: it would have been the nineties. I reckon the Bruce
32:51
Speaker 2: Willis one. What was it the names?
32:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there've been a bunch of them. I just think,
32:57
Speaker 1: can I reckon.
32:58
Speaker 2: Epoy you more? Can I can I help try it,
33:00
Speaker 2: reassure you more? So. Mike, one of my closest friends
33:02
Speaker 2: just got back from the UK. I'm catching up with
33:04
Speaker 2: him next week. He's a rocket scientist. He's so much
33:07
Speaker 2: smarter than me. It does fill me with a hope.
33:11
Speaker 1: You say that, like you're surprised. It's like, well, of
33:14
Speaker 1: course you didn't even need to point that out to us.
33:19
Speaker 1: Oh fuck, he's smarter than me, which is incredible.
33:23
Speaker 2: Hey, Ryan, if you're listening, I'll tell him that we
33:25
Speaker 2: gave him a plug in the show. He's really smart. Yeah.
33:28
Speaker 2: So it's so it makes me feel a lot better
33:31
Speaker 2: that those sorts of people are around, because they're the
33:34
Speaker 2: ones that is sitting at NASA saying, nah, that's no problem.
33:37
Speaker 2: It's only four million miles away. On a trajectory of
33:39
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know the asmuth is this and
33:41
Speaker 2: the whatever. You know what I mean. I'm just throwing
33:43
Speaker 2: words out now that means nothing, but they know what
33:46
Speaker 2: they mean. So we're fight.
33:48
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of space, NASA has succeeded allegedly in teleporting. Yeah,
33:54
Speaker 1: if you don't know what teleporting is the headline, Yeah,
33:57
Speaker 1: I know. Actual teleporting. If you ever saw Star Trek,
34:00
Speaker 1: anyone is where basically a human is magically transported to
34:05
Speaker 1: another place instantly. So it might be from Melbourne to
34:11
Speaker 1: New York and they just appear in New York. That's
34:13
Speaker 1: called tallyportation. But I feel like that's it hasn't really happened.
34:18
Speaker 1: That's just a heading.
34:20
Speaker 2: Is it is a heading just to try to catch
34:21
Speaker 2: your attention. And there's also a theory that what actually
34:24
Speaker 2: happens when you go on the transporter is you are
34:26
Speaker 2: destroyed and then rebuilt at the other end, so it's
34:29
Speaker 2: actually not you there at the other end. It's a
34:32
Speaker 2: fact similar bit.
34:33
Speaker 1: Anyway, I can't believe that there's a theory about something
34:37
Speaker 1: that isn't real in the first place. That's the dumbest
34:41
Speaker 1: shit ever.
34:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of that online. So this is
34:45
Speaker 2: called hollow portation, not tallyportation. So it was a bit
34:50
Speaker 2: of a tricksy little heading to try to get your attention.
34:52
Speaker 2: What NASA is doing is using augmented reality. So they're
34:57
Speaker 2: using a thing called hollow lens and micro I've produced
35:00
Speaker 2: this and I think they're about the stop production of
35:02
Speaker 2: them anyway, So they're using hollow lens.
35:05
Speaker 1: And would you say stop or start?
35:07
Speaker 2: Stop there's because other stuff's coming out. I'll tell you
35:10
Speaker 2: about that later. But what they effectively can do then
35:14
Speaker 2: is the you know, the astronauts and cosmonauts that are
35:17
Speaker 2: floating above and China hat what are the Chinese astronauts called.
35:20
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll have to look that one up.
35:22
Speaker 2: If Russians are cosmonauts and the Americans are astronauts anyway,
35:26
Speaker 2: that's something for another time.
35:28
Speaker 1: But there's fifty things I could say. I'd get in
35:30
Speaker 1: trouble for all of them.
35:32
Speaker 2: Okay, So multiple cameras pointing at a person here and
35:37
Speaker 2: you're talking to so not just similar to what we're doing,
35:39
Speaker 2: but in three D. And then the person wears a
35:42
Speaker 2: virtual reality headset which uses augmented reality. So the difference
35:47
Speaker 2: between VR and AAR is when you put on a
35:50
Speaker 2: virtual reality headset, it blocks out everything and you create
35:54
Speaker 2: a new world in your virtual headset that you can
35:57
Speaker 2: engage with augmented reality is you put on a device
36:01
Speaker 2: and you can still see everything around you, but an
36:05
Speaker 2: object is projected in front of you in three D.
36:07
Speaker 2: And that's what they're doing with NASA at the moment.
36:09
Speaker 2: So they're using this to help the astronauts who are
36:12
Speaker 2: effectively flying around in this tin can, and it means
36:16
Speaker 2: that they can have real world conversations. But the person
36:18
Speaker 2: they're interacting with, it's not just a zoom call or
36:21
Speaker 2: a teams meeting. It's a person hovering in front of them.
36:24
Speaker 2: And this is pretty full on because you know, the ISS,
36:28
Speaker 2: the International Space Station is flying around like seventeen thousand
36:32
Speaker 2: kilometers an hour, so to be able to link up
36:34
Speaker 2: to them and have that window where they can have
36:36
Speaker 2: this full on conversation and interaction, and this could be
36:41
Speaker 2: a way to help astronauts as they travel to you know,
36:44
Speaker 2: if you take three or four years to get to Mars,
36:47
Speaker 2: they're able to interact with family and friends. That would
36:49
Speaker 2: really help a lot when it comes to being lonely
36:53
Speaker 2: or feeling isolated, or being stuck in a tin can.
36:56
Speaker 2: So it's kind of interesting that they're developing this because
36:59
Speaker 2: a lot of the developments that get done for space
37:02
Speaker 2: research end up in real world examples for us. So
37:06
Speaker 2: when we think, well, that's never going to happen, it's
37:09
Speaker 2: too far away, it's on the ISS, the reality of
37:11
Speaker 2: it is a lot of the experiments that are going
37:13
Speaker 2: on board the International Space Station will have real world
37:16
Speaker 2: benefits for us. It's that such that R and D
37:19
Speaker 2: that you know, it's the long game where we don't
37:22
Speaker 2: specifically think about it. I mean, even the work that
37:24
Speaker 2: you're doing could have real world practical applications when it
37:28
Speaker 2: comes to understanding about cognitive sense and how we think
37:31
Speaker 2: about ourselves and the world around us. You know, that
37:33
Speaker 2: could really have far reaching benefits for people, because what
37:36
Speaker 2: I love about what you're doing is that no one
37:38
Speaker 2: else has done that before in the way that you're
37:40
Speaker 2: doing it. Yeah, and that's about research, just.
37:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. I was thinking about you know more about this,
37:48
Speaker 1: but I just want to talk about the human side
37:51
Speaker 1: of So those two astronauts that flew up, was it
37:55
Speaker 1: with Boeing and then they were going to meant to
37:58
Speaker 1: be up and back in a week or time and
38:01
Speaker 1: something happened. You can tell us there's something I forget.
38:04
Speaker 1: But so all of a sudden they went from basically,
38:07
Speaker 1: we're doing a quick holiday to space to know, now
38:10
Speaker 1: you're fucking stuck here till next year. And of course
38:14
Speaker 1: they would have been preparing for I think it was
38:18
Speaker 1: meant to be like about ten days in space, and
38:20
Speaker 1: now it's going to be the best part of a year.
38:24
Speaker 1: And I was thinking, man, that's to be able to
38:29
Speaker 1: adjust to that emotionally and mentally, is that is a big,
38:35
Speaker 1: big challenge, right, That's not a small thing. That's a
38:38
Speaker 1: life changing, foreverthing. And I don't know whether or not
38:42
Speaker 1: they're great actors, but I saw them being interviewed, or
38:47
Speaker 1: at least saw them, you know when. So they've gone
38:50
Speaker 1: to stay at the ISS, haven't they International Space Toction.
38:53
Speaker 1: That's where they are, and they hooked up with some
38:55
Speaker 1: other whatever, the other astronauts up there, and they looked
38:59
Speaker 1: so like they have their shit together. I would not
39:03
Speaker 1: have my shit together. I don't think if I was,
39:06
Speaker 1: or maybe if I was as qualified and as trained
39:08
Speaker 1: as them, but yeah, to be able to adapt to
39:11
Speaker 1: something as big as that were was like, you'll be
39:14
Speaker 1: back on Earth soon, and then no, you're not. You're
39:17
Speaker 1: trapped up here. Better than the alternative though, I guess,
39:20
Speaker 1: which is blowing up on the way back, because they
39:24
Speaker 1: were wouldn't They worried that the that the space capsule
39:29
Speaker 1: or whatever would not make it back to Earth, and
39:32
Speaker 1: so they hedged their bets and said, look, we're just
39:35
Speaker 1: going to plunk you on the space station.
39:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was not worth the risk. Yeah, they went
39:40
Speaker 2: up to the Space station for this mission. But they
39:42
Speaker 2: had a fault. I think it was a cool leak
39:44
Speaker 2: or something. I can't remember exactly what it was. But
39:47
Speaker 2: they repaired it, but they still weren't one hundred percent
39:50
Speaker 2: sure the thing with a lot of I mean, space
39:53
Speaker 2: is so amazing, and space travel so much work goes
39:57
Speaker 2: into it. And I guess, thinking of your you know,
40:01
Speaker 2: you were kind of projecting how you would feel being
40:04
Speaker 2: up there. My thought is that if you're training to
40:06
Speaker 2: do a mission like this and it's only ten days,
40:09
Speaker 2: part of the contingency would be what if you are
40:13
Speaker 2: stuck there for more than ten days? And I think
40:15
Speaker 2: that would have to be part of the training. I
40:17
Speaker 2: couldn't imagine sending people up there with that that that
40:19
Speaker 2: thought process process being in place. But wow, I couldn't
40:23
Speaker 2: possibly imagine what it would be like when you're saying, yeah, look,
40:26
Speaker 2: I'll just see you next week, mate, We'll have that coffee,
40:28
Speaker 2: won't we down the road, and then all of a
40:31
Speaker 2: sudden that coffee is a year later or six months later.
40:34
Speaker 1: Also, when you think about how much we regular humans
40:37
Speaker 1: we love certainty and predictability and familiarity. We love to
40:41
Speaker 1: know that we kind of want to know what's going
40:43
Speaker 1: to happen tomorrow and we hope it's going to be
40:45
Speaker 1: kind of like today, unless today with shit. But you
40:48
Speaker 1: know that we are very much hardwired for safety and
40:52
Speaker 1: predictability and consistency and certainty. So it must take a
40:59
Speaker 1: special sure kind of either person or personality or mindset
41:04
Speaker 1: to be able to go. I mean, by the way,
41:07
Speaker 1: if you get on a rocket going into space, there's
41:09
Speaker 1: a fair chance you're going to die.
41:10
Speaker 2: I mean it's not it's not remote chads, Well.
41:16
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, it's not like you're getting on
41:19
Speaker 1: a bus going to Southland to get some fucking chicken.
41:21
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's there's a fair few people who
41:24
Speaker 1: have died.
41:26
Speaker 2: Can I just say? I don't have the figures in
41:29
Speaker 2: front of me, but I would suggest that you driving
41:31
Speaker 2: to Southland and me flying to the ISS I would
41:35
Speaker 2: be safer than you.
41:36
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
41:37
Speaker 2: I think I would.
41:39
Speaker 1: I reckon if we go. How many people have been
41:41
Speaker 1: in space? Well, we know, was it Challenger twelve that
41:44
Speaker 1: blew up?
41:45
Speaker 2: It was a Challenger Yeah, that's right.
41:46
Speaker 1: In challenges So that that was eight people?
41:48
Speaker 2: Right, yep?
41:50
Speaker 1: How many people?
41:51
Speaker 2: Five? Not only five? It was from memory?
41:54
Speaker 1: How many people? Let's go, I'm going to go right now.
41:57
Speaker 2: Siven astronauts don't go chat GEP. Seven astronauts were on
41:59
Speaker 2: the challenge. I'm pretty sure.
42:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, how many How many people have died
42:10
Speaker 1: in space?
42:11
Speaker 2: More? Good? Well I want to know, okay.
42:14
Speaker 1: As eighteen astronauts.
42:17
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's it. But how many people are in space?
42:20
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well okay, all right, good? How many people have many.
42:27
Speaker 2: Apologies to the listeners in space?
42:30
Speaker 1: How many people have been in space? Six hundred and
42:34
Speaker 1: twenty So six hundred and twenty eighteen, let's round it
42:39
Speaker 1: up to twenty. That's a fucking lot of people. That's
42:41
Speaker 1: six hundred and twenty people going to Southland, and eighteen
42:44
Speaker 1: of them are dying. I reckon, I reckon. I'm on
42:48
Speaker 1: a better, better course than you can.
42:50
Speaker 2: I just say I would still go.
42:53
Speaker 1: Well would you? Would you get if you've got a
42:56
Speaker 1: chance to go to space for a year?
42:59
Speaker 3: So?
43:00
Speaker 2: Actually do we said? So? The Columbia disintegrated when it
43:06
Speaker 2: re entered the years. No, yeah, I'm kind of was mixing. No,
43:09
Speaker 2: it's right. Did we say Challenger or Columbia.
43:12
Speaker 1: I think we said Challenger.
43:14
Speaker 2: It's Columbia. Columbia. It re entered the atmosphere over Texas,
43:17
Speaker 2: killing all seven astronauts on board. So actually so there
43:20
Speaker 2: were two the Columbia. I'm getting confused anyway, But.
43:24
Speaker 1: Anyway, the bottom line is kids stay on Terra Firma.
43:28
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was the Challenger that blew up when
43:31
Speaker 2: it launched, and that must have been in nine and
43:33
Speaker 2: eighty six when it because I was I was actually
43:36
Speaker 2: camping and didn't know about it till about three or
43:38
Speaker 2: four days later.
43:39
Speaker 1: Yeah. Most fatalities have occurred either during launch or re
43:43
Speaker 1: entry rather than in space itself, with the Sawyers eleven
43:49
Speaker 1: being the exception. So Sawyers eleven nineteen seventy one, three cosmonauts,
43:56
Speaker 1: Space Shuttle Challenger nineteen eighty six, and Space Shuttle Columbia
44:02
Speaker 1: two thousand and three. Seven. Yeah, all right, let's talk
44:07
Speaker 1: about something more uplifting, Patrick Man.
44:10
Speaker 2: Okay, let's see if I can find something. Well, can
44:12
Speaker 2: I just can I do one more story about being
44:14
Speaker 2: in space? Is that getting import not for you?
44:17
Speaker 1: Clearly, no, one little thing.
44:19
Speaker 2: They've been doing studies with cells from human hearts and
44:24
Speaker 2: running experiments to see what actually happens to the human
44:27
Speaker 2: heart while it's on the ISS. So these people who
44:29
Speaker 2: are there now, their hearts are actually going to be
44:33
Speaker 2: affected by being in space for a prolonged period. So
44:36
Speaker 2: what they did was they took heart cells, they took
44:39
Speaker 2: them into the International Space Station, and then they observed
44:42
Speaker 2: how they behaved compared to another similar crop of cells
44:46
Speaker 2: here on Earth, and low gravity actually impacts the cell's
44:52
Speaker 2: strength and contraction, so it's called the twitch force, and
44:56
Speaker 2: it means that it can also result in irregular beating patterns.
45:00
Speaker 2: N astronauts come back, not only they have jelly legs,
45:03
Speaker 2: but they also have hearts that don't beat as strongly,
45:06
Speaker 2: and it's really concerning. So the longer you're there, they
45:09
Speaker 2: don't fare well at all when they're in space.
45:11
Speaker 1: So the exercise scientist is interested in this because when
45:15
Speaker 1: you think about like here we obviously we deal with
45:18
Speaker 1: gravity just walking, you know, where we're using muscle and
45:22
Speaker 1: strength and so so there's a lot of atrophy in space,
45:27
Speaker 1: like a lot of muscle wasting in space. And the
45:30
Speaker 1: heart is a muscle, so that's no surprise.
45:34
Speaker 2: And because the heart i mean beats constantly for our
45:37
Speaker 2: whole lives, we'd like to think it does. We hope
45:39
Speaker 2: it does continue, yeah, sporadically for some, but if there's
45:42
Speaker 2: no gravity acting on it, it looks like the heart
45:45
Speaker 2: tissue starts to kind of just atrophy.
45:49
Speaker 1: Well, I think because when you're in you know, anti
45:53
Speaker 1: gravity or is that what it is like when you're
45:56
Speaker 1: in fucking whatever where you've got.
45:58
Speaker 2: There's no gravity or no gravity.
46:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there's no I mean, there's no resistance as in,
46:05
Speaker 1: you're not you're not. You don't have to work against
46:09
Speaker 1: anything really, and so like there's no need in space
46:13
Speaker 1: to be strong, you know, because you don't have to
46:17
Speaker 1: lift anything or move anything because everything's weightless. Yeah, so
46:23
Speaker 1: it's it's cool, but it takes a physiological toll. That's
46:27
Speaker 1: why I think I would be I don't know what
46:30
Speaker 1: it is these days, but I would be really interested
46:33
Speaker 1: to know what kind of resources they have at the
46:39
Speaker 1: ISS two to help the crew maintain strength and function
46:45
Speaker 1: because one obviously one of the challenges in a weightless
46:48
Speaker 1: environment is that dumbbells and kettle bells don't weigh anything.
46:52
Speaker 2: I don't know if i'd want a dumbbell or a
46:54
Speaker 2: kettle bell floating around in the space station, of course,
46:57
Speaker 2: not bands and stuff like that. Yes, you know, elliptical
47:02
Speaker 2: type machines that they can use.
47:03
Speaker 1: With h yeah. Yeah, And I mean I think like
47:06
Speaker 1: in the old days, in the eighties and nineties in Melbourne,
47:09
Speaker 1: there was even hydraulic machines, But I don't know if
47:12
Speaker 1: hydraulics going to work. Maybe it changes the viscosity of
47:16
Speaker 1: the hydraulics liquids in space. I'm not sure, but yeah,
47:20
Speaker 1: things like resistance bands and you know where you're creating
47:25
Speaker 1: a type of resistance. But you'd have to do that.
47:30
Speaker 1: I mean, getting out of a chair and walking to
47:33
Speaker 1: get a glass of water takes strength and fitness, albeit
47:37
Speaker 1: not a lot. But you know, we are constantly, we
47:40
Speaker 1: are constantly working against gravity. But when you remove that,
47:44
Speaker 1: it's a different thing.
47:45
Speaker 2: It is interesting, isn't it. It's a fascinating a thought argument,
47:49
Speaker 2: particularly when we project forward and think, well, if people
47:52
Speaker 2: are going to go and explore further into the into
47:56
Speaker 2: our solar system and maybe potentially go to Mars, they
47:58
Speaker 2: still talk of a Mars. And then you've got radiation
48:02
Speaker 2: as well, because thankfully we have an atmosphere that protects
48:05
Speaker 2: us from the nasty radiation as well, and that doesn't
48:08
Speaker 2: happen when you're up there. You need to have materials
48:11
Speaker 2: around you. It's a flat and tin can, all.
48:14
Speaker 1: Right, team, We're going to pull the pin on the
48:16
Speaker 1: conversation momentarily there, Patrick and I ended up being somewhat
48:21
Speaker 1: verbose over about an hour and a half or so,
48:24
Speaker 1: so we'll divide this into bits one and two. We'll
48:26
Speaker 1: call that the end of Bit one. Hope you're having
48:29
Speaker 1: a great day. We'll be back tomorrow with more