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Serial Killer Documentary - The Peter Tobin Story · The Evolution of Evil - True Crime Stories

• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Serial killers are not uniquely American.
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  Speaker 2: Across the world, murderers commit crimes just as chilling.
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  Speaker 3: Tobin has earned a reputation as a manipulator and pathological liar.
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  Speaker 2: In the UK, one of the most notorious is Peter Tobin.
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  Speaker 2: Over the course of 15 years, Peter Tobin killed a
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  Speaker 2: string of young women.
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  Speaker 4: He's 60 years old with a criminal history of serious
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  Speaker 4: sex offenses.
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  Speaker 3: Tobin showed a chilling calculation.
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  Speaker 4: Gave a false name and details, and he has since vanished.
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  Speaker 5: This case became one of the biggest cases in Scottish history.
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  Speaker 3: In prison, he has boasted of killing 48 women. Peter
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  Speaker 3: Tobin is one of Britain's most prolific criminals.
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  Speaker 2: Tobin subjected his victims to horrific acts.
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  Speaker 6: He has this view of who women are. He wants
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  Speaker 6: to rape them, he wants to violate them.
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  Speaker 2: Yet for decades, Tobin deceived everyone.
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  Speaker 7: How are they describing Peter Tobin? Hey, nice guy, personable,
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  Speaker 7: people like him.
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  Speaker 2: Even those closest to him were fools.
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  Speaker 1: I thought he only did this to me.
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  Speaker 8: I have never been so scared in my entire life.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Beth Karras, and this is Living With a Serial Killer.
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  Speaker 9: September 27th, 2006, Glasgow, Scotland.
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  Speaker 2: Scottish police are looking for a young Polish woman who
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  Speaker 2: had been reported missing two days earlier.
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  Speaker 10: When we heard of the story originally, it was about
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  Speaker 10: a missing person. It was a young woman concerned. She
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  Speaker 10: was from a different country.
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  Speaker 11: Angelika Klute, she was a well-educated person from Poland. She
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  Speaker 11: came to Glasgow to make money to better her lifestyle.
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  Speaker 2: Angelica Cluck had come to Glasgow on a working holiday
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  Speaker 2: and very quickly found some work at St. Patrick's Catholic Church.
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  Speaker 2: But when police searched the church where Angelica was last seen,
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  Speaker 2: there's no sign of her.
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  Speaker 4: Police conducted a detailed search of the church where Angelica
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  Speaker 4: Cluck had been staying. The 23-year-old was last seen helping
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  Speaker 4: the church handyman, known as Pat McLaughlin.
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  Speaker 2: So who is Pat McLaughlin? And could he somehow be
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  Speaker 2: involved in Angelica's disappearance?
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  Speaker 5: At first blush, there's nothing about Patrick McLaughlin that's suspicious.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing about him that would lead anybody to believe
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  Speaker 5: that he's involved in anything nefarious.
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  Speaker 11: Everyone liked Patrick McLaughlin. He was a very helpful individual.
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  Speaker 10: He was described as personable. He had a bit of
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  Speaker 10: charm about him. And he seemed to get on well
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  Speaker 10: with Angelica. He actually spoke to the police.
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  Speaker 11: The police officer took a statement from him. He gave
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  Speaker 11: a statement in the name of Patrick McLaughlin when he
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  Speaker 11: had last seen her.
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  Speaker 5: He claims that he doesn't know where she is.
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  Speaker 7: And that's pretty much the end of the story.
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  Speaker 5: There's really nothing to suggest anything terribly suspicious going on.
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  Speaker 2: But within a day, detectives are forced to re-evaluate their
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  Speaker 2: assessment of McLaughlin.
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  Speaker 5: The police officers decide they want to go back and
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  Speaker 5: talk to Patrick McLaughlin again.
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  Speaker 7: Well, suddenly, Patrick McLaughlin is gone.
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  Speaker 6: Whenever you have an individual like this, a witness like this.
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  Speaker 12: They are very, very crucial.
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  Speaker 6: So for this witness to just disappear, I think this
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  Speaker 6: is when he goes from witness to suspect.
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  Speaker 2: Locating McLaughlin becomes a major priority, and police turn to
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  Speaker 2: the media for help.
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  Speaker 5: In my experience, using the media to track down suspects, witnesses,
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  Speaker 5: it is the best way to do it.
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  Speaker 2: Patrick McLaughlin's face is soon appearing on newspapers and news
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  Speaker 2: bulletins across the country. More than 400 miles away from Glasgow,
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  Speaker 2: on England's south coast, the image of Pat McLaughlin comes
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  Speaker 2: as a shock to one woman in particular.
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  Speaker 1: My aunt phoned me at 9.15 in the morning and said,
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  Speaker 1: turn on the television.
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  Speaker 8: I said, which channel? She said, any channel. So I
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  Speaker 8: turned the television on in the lounge and I just screamed.
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  Speaker 8: I screamed.
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  Speaker 2: It's an image Kathy Wilson had never expected to see again.
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  Speaker 2: And it raises uncomfortable truths for her teenage son, Daniel.
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  Speaker 8: Daniel came rushing down the staircase. What is it, mum?
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  Speaker 1: And I just sort of shakily pointed at the TV
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  Speaker 1: and he's going, what?
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  Speaker 8: And I said, him. And he said, who is it?
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  Speaker 8: And I said, it's your father.
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  Speaker 1: And as the minutes passed on, I read the name
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  Speaker 1: again and I'm thinking the name's wrong.
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  Speaker 2: The name Kathy Wilson knows this man by is Peter Tobin.
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  Speaker 2: And she is all too aware that he is extremely dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: And then what kicked in was the fear that I've
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  Speaker 1: been living with for years and years and years.
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  Speaker 8: He's on the run. He's coming for me.
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  Speaker 6: A really significant part of this investigation was when the
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  Speaker 6: police received a response saying, this is not Pat McLaughlin.
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  Speaker 6: This is Peter Tobin. He is a convicted sex offender.
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  Speaker 7: This is huge in the investigation.
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  Speaker 5: In 1993, he was convicted for brutally sexually assaulting two teenagers.
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  Speaker 7: He's 60 years old.
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  Speaker 4: With a criminal history of serious sex offenses, including the
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  Speaker 4: rape of a 14-year-old girl.
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  Speaker 3: He is a convicted pedophile.
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  Speaker 5: Detectives are already starting to feel a little anxious about
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  Speaker 5: what may have happened to Ms.
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  Speaker 13: Klug.
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  Speaker 5: We've got enough here that we need to find him,
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  Speaker 5: we need to find him quickly, and we need to
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  Speaker 5: talk to him.
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  Speaker 2: Police begin a search into Tobin's past in an effort
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  Speaker 2: to turn up leads. Kathy Wilson had first met Peter
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  Speaker 2: Tobin in the English coastal town of Brighton in 1986.
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  Speaker 2: Only 16 years old at the time, Kathy had recently
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  Speaker 2: left the home she shared with her grandparents, who had
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  Speaker 2: raised her after her own mother had died. Parentless and jobless,
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  Speaker 2: she found herself immediately drawn to the charismatic Tobin, who
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  Speaker 2: was 30 years her senior.
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  Speaker 1: I first met Peter Tobin in a biker's bar, and
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  Speaker 1: I had a little 50cc motorbike, and outside were all
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  Speaker 1: the bikes lined up, Harley Davidsons. My little one was
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  Speaker 1: just on the end, but I loved it in there.
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  Speaker 1: There were seven or eight of us. He had the
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  Speaker 1: whole table enthralled with the stories. No one else was talking.
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  Speaker 1: We were just listening to him in rapture. He said
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  Speaker 1: that he was running a hotel. and that he could
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  Speaker 1: get me a job in the bar at the hotel
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  Speaker 1: on the reception. And although that wasn't exactly what I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to do, it was work, it was local, and
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  Speaker 1: I liked him. And I thought, well, there's nothing else
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  Speaker 1: that I've got to lose, really.
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  Speaker 8: I might as well have a go.
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  Speaker 1: When I got there, of course, it was just one
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  Speaker 1: double bed, so I was expected to sleep with him.
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  Speaker 1: But I'd liked him, so I didn't feel too shabby
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  Speaker 1: about doing that. And we got on really well, so
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  Speaker 1: why not?
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  Speaker 2: But Kathy quickly learns there is no job for her
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  Speaker 2: at the hotel.
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  Speaker 1: I don't recall being happy or unhappy, just confused and
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  Speaker 1: without a job.
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  Speaker 2: Although there is no job for her to do, Kathy
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  Speaker 2: decides to try to make the most of her situation.
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  Speaker 8: Really, this was just someone that I knew, that I liked,
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  Speaker 8: I felt happy with.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought I'll put all of my efforts and
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  Speaker 1: energy into being a homemaker. So I'd asked him in
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  Speaker 1: the morning what he'd like for dinner and he'd said
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  Speaker 1: a pork chop. So I grilled what I thought was
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  Speaker 1: a perfectly adequate chop with a crispy, fatty rim to
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  Speaker 1: it and a nice mix of vegetables to go with it,
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  Speaker 1: expecting him to be pleased with me.
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  Speaker 8: And he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: He picked the plate up and he just threw it
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  Speaker 1: at the wall behind my head. It missed me by inches.
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  Speaker 1: That was my first insight into how it was going
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  Speaker 1: to be.
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  Speaker 2: Despite Tobin's senseless, violent outburst, the teenage Kathy stays with
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  Speaker 2: him and over the following months begins to accept his
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  Speaker 2: erratic behavior.
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  Speaker 1: I look back now and I really think it's important
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  Speaker 1: people understand how mental abuse in the hands of someone
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  Speaker 1: who's skilled can happen very quickly before you've even known it.
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  Speaker 14: The phenomenon that's unfolding is often referred to as coercive control.
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  Speaker 14: a term that psychologists use for the abusive relationship, that
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  Speaker 14: kind of testing of tolerance that happens to see how
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  Speaker 14: much she'll put up with and how much he can
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  Speaker 14: get away with.
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  Speaker 15: So coercive control usually starts with really small, little messages,
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  Speaker 15: but they build up and it becomes incredibly hard to
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  Speaker 15: get out.
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  Speaker 8: And to leave.
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  Speaker 1: I was just absolutely determined that I was going to
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  Speaker 1: make the best relationship I possibly could. Behind there definitely
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  Speaker 1: was the feeling that I can't go home and I've
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  Speaker 1: got nowhere else to go.
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  Speaker 2: Could Kathy have seen anything in those early days to
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  Speaker 2: indicate that the man she was letting into her life
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  Speaker 2: would become one of Britain's most notorious criminals?
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  Speaker 6: Peter Tobin is a predator. That is who he is.
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  Speaker 3: Today's verdict confirms Peter Tobin is one of Britain's most
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  Speaker 3: prolific criminals.
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  Speaker 16: The fact that somebody could carry out a crime like
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  Speaker 16: this on a young girl in a church of all places,
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  Speaker 16: it's just shocking.
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  Speaker 2: Friday, September 29th, 2006, Glasgow, Scotland. Missing Polish student Angelika
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  Speaker 2: Kluck had not been seen for five days. Police suspect
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  Speaker 2: the last person she was seen with, 60-year-old Peter Tobin,
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  Speaker 2: is somehow involved in her disappearance. But Tobin himself has
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  Speaker 2: now gone missing. And as details of Tobin's background come
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  Speaker 2: to light, detectives have serious concerns for Angelika's safety.
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  Speaker 6: The police have a lot of red flags going up
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  Speaker 6: at this point in the investigation. Peter Tobin has lied
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  Speaker 6: about his name. He was the last person to see
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  Speaker 6: Angelica alive. He has basically fled the scene. So this
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  Speaker 6: really does set their alarm bells ringing.
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  Speaker 2: With no clues as to Peter Tobin's whereabouts, experienced Detective
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  Speaker 2: David Swindle is brought in to manage the case.
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  Speaker 11: I was contacted as a senior investigating officer because the
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  Speaker 11: police had discovered that the person that Angelica had been
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  Speaker 11: last seen with was actually Peter Tobin, the missing sex offender.
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  Speaker 5: So now we've got to start doing the background on
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  Speaker 5: Peter Tobin and start to track down this guy's experience
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  Speaker 5: and where he has been within the country.
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  Speaker 2: Is there anything in Peter Tobin's past that could provide
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  Speaker 2: a clearer picture of the suspect?
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  Speaker 7: Running the criminal history of Peter Tobin.
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  Speaker 5: Detectives find out that in 1993, he was convicted for
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  Speaker 5: brutally sexually assaulting two teenagers.
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  Speaker 2: Detectives discover that 12 years earlier, Peter Tobin had received
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  Speaker 2: a 14-year prison sentence for the sexual assault of two
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  Speaker 2: teenage girls in Havant, southern England. Shockingly, Tobin had carried
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  Speaker 2: out this brutal attack in his own home.
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  Speaker 11: He raped and almost killed two young girls.
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  Speaker 6: They were really lucky to escape with their lives. This
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  Speaker 6: is a man who is capable of serious harm.
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  Speaker 2: After serving only 10 years of his sentence, Tobin was
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  Speaker 2: released in 2004. But as investigators look at the details
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  Speaker 2: of Tobin's previous crime, one key question seems relevant. How
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  Speaker 2: did Tobin get these young women into his home in
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  Speaker 2: the first place?
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  Speaker 6: The two teenage girls that Tobin attacked, he gets them
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  Speaker 6: in his flat. He makes them drink alcohol. And that
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  Speaker 6: really is testament to this predatory and this manipulative nature
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  Speaker 6: of Tobin.
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  Speaker 2: Angelica had only known Peter Tobin under the alias Pat
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  Speaker 2: McLaughlin for a short time when she went missing. Could
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  Speaker 2: Tobin have lured and manipulated her just as he lured
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  Speaker 2: those teenage girls?
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  Speaker 6: Angelica had known Tobin for around about six weeks, and
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  Speaker 6: that's a relatively short period of time. So for him
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  Speaker 6: to have been able to gain her trust in that time,
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  Speaker 6: that really does tell us how manipulative this individual is.
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  Speaker 2: It seems Peter Tobin has been manipulating women all of
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  Speaker 2: his life. In 1987, he successfully manipulated Kathy Wilson into
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  Speaker 2: making a life-altering decision by lying about a health scare.
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  Speaker 1: He told me he had cancer of the testicles, and
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  Speaker 1: he was going to have an operation, a laser operation,
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  Speaker 1: and he wouldn't be able to have children after that.
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  Speaker 8: We'd only been.
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  Speaker 1: Together three or four months, but I thought I'm probably
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  Speaker 1: going to want to have children at some point in
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  Speaker 1: my life. Then I ought to have one now, really,
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  Speaker 1: which is crazy, because I was 16 and a half.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have a job. I had no real.
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  Speaker 8: Income of my own.
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  Speaker 2: Kathleen quickly becomes pregnant, but four months later, when she
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  Speaker 2: accompanies Tobin to his operation, she talks to the surgeon
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  Speaker 2: and discovers that she's been duped.
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  Speaker 1: I said, isn't it lucky that I was able to
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  Speaker 1: get pregnant before this? this operation takes place, and the
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  Speaker 1: doctor surgeon just looked at me and said, what do
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  Speaker 1: you mean? I said, well, after he has this laser treatment,
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  Speaker 1: he won't be able to have children anymore. And the
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  Speaker 1: doctor turned around to me and said, no, he's going
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  Speaker 1: to lose one or two percent of his ability, if that,
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  Speaker 1: probably none at all. That was a watershed moment for me.
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  Speaker 1: I've been completely conned because I wouldn't have chosen to
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  Speaker 1: have a child at 16 by any stretch of the imagination.
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  Speaker 1: It's stupid, stupid He had changed the direction of my life.
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  Speaker 14: Tobin had out and out tricked Kathy into getting pregnant.
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  Speaker 6: When we look at men who are habitually abusive towards women,
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  Speaker 6: pathological lying is something we come across very often. And
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  Speaker 6: these men make themselves indispensable. And in the process of
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  Speaker 6: doing that, they really do take control of women's lives.
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  Speaker 1: So I think before I got pregnant, most of the abuse,
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  Speaker 1: which now I understand was abuse, was mental.
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  Speaker 8: It was wearing me down, belittling me, making me feel small.
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  Speaker 1: But it seemed once I was pregnant, and particularly when
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  Speaker 1: I started to show, he started to get physically aggressive
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  Speaker 1: with me. But I think now that having accepted that
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  Speaker 1: level of violence, he knew then that he was able
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  Speaker 1: to go further.
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  Speaker 2: Four days before Christmas in 1987, Kathy gives birth to
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  Speaker 2: her son Daniel. And for a moment, everything changes.
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  Speaker 1: The second that my baby was put into my arms,
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  Speaker 1: not just the pain, but the disappointment in Peter, they
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  Speaker 1: all were bundled into the same pile of, that's all
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  Speaker 1: forgotten now.
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  Speaker 8: Because look what I've got. And there's nothing quite like
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  Speaker 8: the feeling of that.
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  Speaker 12: I don't think.
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  Speaker 2: Becoming a mother is a deeply significant moment in Kathy's life.
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  Speaker 14: It's important to remember that Kathy had, if you will,
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  Speaker 14: a hole in her heart from her own childhood. It
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  Speaker 14: wasn't a happy childhood and she didn't have two parents
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  Speaker 14: and she never knew her father.
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  Speaker 8: My mom is like a butterfly, I think. That's how
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  Speaker 8: I describe her.
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  Speaker 13: She's flitting from one thing to another, never stopping very long,
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  Speaker 13: looking beautiful all the time. because when she was there
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  Speaker 13: and she was lucid, she was a fantastic mother.
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  Speaker 8: But my mother was taking drugs.
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  Speaker 1: I now believe quite hardcore drugs at that age, but
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know what drugs were.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't understand it. My mother was deteriorating.
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  Speaker 1: Our whole situation was deteriorating.
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  Speaker 8: We were just spiraling down.
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  Speaker 2: When Kathy was six, her mother died. But it was
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  Speaker 2: only when Kathy turned 16 she learned that her mother
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  Speaker 2: had killed herself with a heroin overdose. Just a few
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  Speaker 2: months later was when she met Peter Tobin.
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  Speaker 15: For Kathy to jump into that relationship at 16, on
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  Speaker 15: the one hand, can.
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  Speaker 12: Seem really risky.
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  Speaker 15: But having a history of abuse often leaves people more vulnerable.
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  Speaker 15: to abuse later on in life.
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  Speaker 2: Glasgow, Scotland, Friday, September 29th, 2006. Polish student Angelika Kluck
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  Speaker 2: has now been missing for five days. Police have established
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  Speaker 2: that the last person to be seen with her was
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  Speaker 2: Peter Tobin, a registered sex offender who is now also missing.
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  Speaker 2: The pressure is on for lead investigator David Swindle and
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  Speaker 2: his team. Could they have missed something vital at the
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  Speaker 2: church where Angelica and Tobin were last seen?
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  Speaker 11: What I asked for was a better search of the
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  Speaker 11: church to be done. We arranged for specialist search teams
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  Speaker 11: to examine the church. And within, I think it was
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  Speaker 11: probably two hours, a woman's body was found underneath the church.
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  Speaker 7: The grim decision.
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  Speaker 4: Was made at around 8 o'clock last night. Forensic officers
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  Speaker 4: have spent the night gathering evidence at the chapel.
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  Speaker 5: Because of what we know, there's no doubt this is
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  Speaker 5: going to be Angelica. Well, now we've got something that
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  Speaker 5: we didn't have before. We've got a body, and we
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  Speaker 5: now have a scene that needs to be processed.
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  Speaker 2: Forensic biologist Carol Rogers is tasked with conducting the initial assessment.
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  Speaker 2: But even accessing the body is no easy task.
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  Speaker 16: My first impression of the crime scene itself, I can't
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  Speaker 16: believe how small the trapdoor was. Once I went down in,
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  Speaker 16: I could see clearly she had what appeared to be
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  Speaker 16: multiple stab injuries to her chest. And she also had
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  Speaker 16: facial injuries. She had insulating tape wrapped around her mouth.
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  Speaker 16: And there was a lot of blood around about her face,
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  Speaker 16: and her face did look quite swollen.
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  Speaker 2: The crime scene made it clear that Angelica had been
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  Speaker 2: subjected to horrific final moments.
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  Speaker 16: She was fully clothed, but the fly of her trousers
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  Speaker 16: was unbuttoned. And also her shirt and bra were pushed up.
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  Speaker 12: To expose her abdomen and her breasts.
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  Speaker 16: So it was quite apparent from just the way her
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  Speaker 16: clothing was that this was going to be a sexually
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  Speaker 16: motivated murder.
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  Speaker 2: When Angelica's identity is confirmed, the severity of the crime
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  Speaker 2: remains shocking for even the most experienced officers.
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  Speaker 11: The horrific murder of Angelica Kluke is something that I
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  Speaker 11: will always remember. And the ferocity of how she was
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  Speaker 11: killed The.
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  Speaker 16: Fact that somebody could carry out a crime like this
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  Speaker 16: on a young girl in a church of.
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  Speaker 12: All places, it's just shocking. The whole thing is just
• 21:45
  Speaker 12: such a tragic story.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: But can the scene at the church help investigators catch
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: the man responsible?
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: The bad news is that we've now verified that Angelica's dead.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: The good news is that the evidence gleaned from this
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: scene is a treasure trove.
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: Underneath the floor was bloodstained clothing. There was a knife
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: and other things.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: And on Angelica's body itself, investigators discover traces of semen.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: With DNA samples available, will police finally be able to
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: prove that missing sex offender Peter Tobin is their man?
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: We need DNA results as quickly as possible. Whosever semen
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: that belongs to that is going to be the killer.
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: And if DNA proves the murderer is Peter Tobin, is
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: it possible he's killed before?
• 22:49
  Speaker 11: The ferocity of the killing, the way that Peter Tobin
• 22:53
  Speaker 11: had concealed Angelica's body under the church, this wasn't, in
• 23:00
  Speaker 11: my mind, the first time that this person had killed.
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: This behaviour doesn't just emerge overnight. This is behavior that
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: develops over a series of years and even decades. There
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: would have been an escalation up to this. She would
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: not have been his first victim.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: As suspicions grow that Peter Tobin is not a first-time killer,
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: Swindle decides to set up a second, separate investigation.
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: All of the things that Superintendent Swindle has put together
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: here now that is leading him to believe... that we
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: now have a serial killer, that puts the wheels in
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: motion for Operation Anagram.
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: Operation Anagram turns a traditional murder investigation on its head.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Instead of searching for a killer, police will now be
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: searching for victims.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: It is unusual to have an operation like Operation Anagram. Here,
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: they have the potential to clear up not just this case,
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: but many, many others.
• 24:03
  Speaker 11: It's something that had never been done before and I
• 24:07
  Speaker 11: don't think it's been done again. And basically, I called
• 24:09
  Speaker 11: it investigative analysis of a serial killer.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: But with Tobin himself missing and much of his past
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: history as yet unknown, how can investigators start to look
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: for other possible victims?
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: So now we need to build a timeline for Peter
• 24:27
  Speaker 5: Tobin and start to track down this guy's experience and
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: where he has been within the country.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: But police will find that Tobin had worked hard to
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: ensure much of his life remained a mystery. In 1988,
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: in Brighton, England, even after having had a son with him,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Kathy Wilson was beginning to realize that she knew very
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: little about Tobin.
• 24:52
  Speaker 8: I don't recall any particular bonding between Peter and Daniel.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Peter was going out full days at a time, doing
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: what I really don't know. And I never questioned him.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: because I didn't really care. He wasn't in the house.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: He wasn't bothering me. I do wonder what he was
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: up to. Peter was spending a lot of time at
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, and then he said one day that
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: the priest was very uncomfortable about the fact that our
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: son was out of wedlock and that we really.
• 25:19
  Speaker 17: Ought to be married.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I don't even recall getting down on the one-me.
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: Kind of proposal.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It was just an acceptance that the next stage of
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: my life involved getting married.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: But in getting married to Tobin... Kathy uncovered a secret
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: that he had been hiding from her.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Having had the idea proposed by the priests at the
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Catholic Church, which was my understanding, when it came to it,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't marry us there because he'd been divorced.
• 25:45
  Speaker 8: Well, this was the first time I even heard that.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: He'd had a wife.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: Kathy had discovered that Tobin had been married before, but
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: what she didn't yet know were the horrors that being
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the wife of Peter Tobin could entail. Coming up, is
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Peter Tobin's killing driven by a psychopathic personality?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: He said, I'll kill your son if you ever leave me.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: I have never been so scared in my entire life.
• 26:13
  Speaker 11: Animal mutilation. The extreme domestic abuse. These are all early
• 26:23
  Speaker 11: indicators of progression towards more serious conduct.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Following the discovery of Angelica Cluck's body, police in Scotland
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: are hunting for lead suspect Peter Tobin. They have also
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: opened a second investigation, looking into the theory that Peter
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Tobin is a serial killer.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: We've got a viable suspect, so what do we do?
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: We start putting out feelers because we want to find
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: people that are associated with Peter Tobin.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: But when investigators speak to those who know Tobin, will
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: those closest to him confirm his violent, dangerous profile?
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: How are they describing Peter Tobin? Hey, nice guy, personable,
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: people like him.
• 27:14
  Speaker 11: This is someone that looked normal, a normal person.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: But police know Tobin is a violent offender. So does
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: his ability to hide that from people tell them anything?
• 27:25
  Speaker 14: There is a certain sort of murderer who is very
• 27:28
  Speaker 14: accomplished at hiding his true identity from the general public.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: When police track down Tobin's first wife, Margaret, a very
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: different picture emerges.
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: One thing that she talks about that separates Tobin from
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: everything that we've heard in a positive way is that
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: their relationship through the marriage, he was brutal.
• 27:52
  Speaker 11: She was kept prisoner in her house in the east
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: end of Glasgow by Tobin. And Tobin had seriously assaulted her.
• 28:04
  Speaker 18: The controlling and abusive behaviour that we see from Tobin
• 28:07
  Speaker 18: towards his wife is a clear indication of somebody for
• 28:11
  Speaker 18: whom other human beings do not have a real identity,
• 28:16
  Speaker 18: are not seen as truly human. It's a type of
• 28:22
  Speaker 18: controlling behavior that is symptomatic of a psychopath.
• 28:28
  Speaker 14: The psychopath feels absolutely nothing, no compunction about harming others,
• 28:33
  Speaker 14: and an inability to express any remorse or shame or
• 28:37
  Speaker 14: guilt when they do something wrong.
• 28:40
  Speaker 12: By all accounts, Peter Tobin is on that spectrum.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Completely unaware of what Tobin had put his first wife
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Margaret through, Kathy begins her marriage to Tobin as a
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: new mother in 1989. But only a few months later,
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Tobin tells her they'll be moving away.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: And then announces it's in a place called Bathgate. God,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know where Bathgate is.
• 29:09
  Speaker 8: In Scotland. I think I must have just been incredulous.
• 29:19
  Speaker 14: Moving Kathy to the other end of the country, away
• 29:22
  Speaker 14: from everyone she knows and everything she's familiar with, it
• 29:27
  Speaker 14: really does appear to be yet another effort by Peter
• 29:30
  Speaker 14: Tobin to isolate his wife, and one of the hallmarks
• 29:34
  Speaker 14: of psychological domestic violence.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: In Bathgate, Scotland, Cathy is now totally alone and hundreds
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: of miles from anyone she knows.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: As soon as he got me up there, he isolated
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: me even further from everyone. I certainly was being fully
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: now locked down in the property. I wasn't able to
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: go out of the house except for the shops and
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: that was an accompanied visit. I really felt that I
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: had to now leave this. There was nothing for me
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to stay for at all. I had no idea how
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: Peter was going to react to.
• 30:15
  Speaker 8: Me asking for a divorce at all.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I just knew that the point I was going to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: ask had to be a point where he was very calm.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: And I just think I said simply, this isn't working.
• 30:26
  Speaker 8: I need a divorce.
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: The next thing I know, he's literally picked Daniel up
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: from the landing next to him and dangled him over
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the staircase. And he said, I'll drop your son if
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you ever leave me. I'll kill your son if you
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: ever leave me. And I just saw Daniel there and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: his eyes were scared.
• 30:47
  Speaker 8: And the only job I have in my.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Life, the only job I have in my life is
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to protect him.
• 30:52
  Speaker 8: And I'm Screwing it up.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So I said immediately, you're right. It was a really,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: really silly idea. I don't know where I got that from.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Put it down your back.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Locked up in her own home and terrorized by Tobin,
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: escape seems impossible until one day Tobin makes a mistake.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: For some reason, I went and checked the door and
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: it hadn't been locked. The front door hadn't been locked.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: It just came over me, you've got to go now.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: So that was it. So I literally grabbed a carry
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: bag with some clothes on for Daniel and a soft
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: toy for him. I grabbed a pot of money and
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: must have got a cab to the coach station. The
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: guy was convinced that I was going to get killed
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: and Daniel wouldn't have me anymore.
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: But then the bus arrives. And I can't believe it.
• 31:48
  Speaker 8: I'd got away.
• 31:48
  Speaker 11: Probably.
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: I got away.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: But will Kathy ever be truly free of Peter Tobin?
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: It's late September 2006, and police in Glasgow, Scotland, are
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: continuing their search for Peter Tobin, the man they suspect
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: of raping and murdering Angelica Cluck. But with no trace
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: of Tobin for several days, and his deadly past becoming clearer,
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: detectives fear he may have escaped.
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: At this point in the investigation, Peter Tobin's become a ghost.
• 32:24
  Speaker 11: When Peter Tobin realized that the heat was on, that
• 32:30
  Speaker 11: there was a big investigation regarding Angelica Kluk, he left
• 32:33
  Speaker 11: the scene.
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: So now the challenge is to find Tobin.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: After no sightings for a week, on Sunday, October 1st,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: police in London, 300 miles from the crime scene, receive
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: a call.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: They receive a tip from a hospital in London that
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: a person who looks like Peter Tobin had checked in
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: there calling himself John Kelly and complaining about heart issues.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Could this patient John Kelly really be Peter Tobin? And
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: if so, why, after a week of careful evasion, has
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: he taken the risk of going somewhere as public as
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: a hospital?
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: We often find with serial killers, the most important thing
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: for them is meeting their own needs. So if he
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: needed hospital treatment for something, he would just go and
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: get it.
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: But if this patient does turn out to be Tobin,
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: are police ready to charge him with Angelica's killing? The
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: DNA tests of the semen from the crime scene have
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: not yet produced a profile. so police need a different
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: reason to be able to take Tobin back to Scotland.
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: At this point in the investigation, their DNA results that
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: they're waiting for are not back. However, we want to
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: talk to Peter Tobin, so we just take a different
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: route to get there.
• 34:10
  Speaker 11: We didn't have the DNA evidence, so I dispatched a
• 34:13
  Speaker 11: team to London. We got a warrant. An arrest warrant
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: because he was a missing sex offender and he didn't
• 34:18
  Speaker 11: comply with his sex offender conditions. So he was arrested
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: on that and brought back to Scotland by uniformed officers.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Finally, police have Peter Tobin in custody. Peter Tobin arrives
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: in Scotland on October 1st, 2006 and is taken in
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: for interrogation.
• 34:45
  Speaker 11: He just denies it all. He's a very controlling individual.
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: He wants to control the interview and he denies any
• 34:52
  Speaker 11: involvement in that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: But by this stage, police don't need Tobin to confess.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Just one day after his arrest, the forensic analysis of
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the semen from the crime scene provides investigators with a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: DNA profile.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Now we're in the investigation where we have the DNA
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: results back and it hits on Peter Tobin in the system.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: This match alone is virtually irrefutable proof that Tobin is
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Angelica's killer. But following Tobin's arrest, forensic officers have uncovered
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: even more shocking evidence to be used against him.
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: When Peter Tobin was arrested, his clothing and.
• 35:32
  Speaker 16: His personal effects were seized by the police. So we
• 35:35
  Speaker 16: examined a T-shirt that he was wearing. And on the
• 35:39
  Speaker 16: lower front of the T-shirt, we found a mixture of semen,
• 35:42
  Speaker 16: and quite a large amount of DNA that could have
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: come from Angelika Kluk.
• 35:46
  Speaker 12: We also found blood on his watch.
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: With such a wealth of forensic evidence, Tobin is swiftly
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: charged with Angelika's murder. But Operation Anagram remains in full force,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: with detectives determined to prove correct their theory that Tobin
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: has many more victims. Coming up, Peter Tobin goes on trial.
• 36:11
  Speaker 9: This is the man who murdered Angelica Klug. Police investigating
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: that crime realized that Tobin could also have been behind
• 36:20
  Speaker 9: one of Scotland's longest-running missing persons inquiries.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: But are there more victims?
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: So the why question here is, are we in fact
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: dealing with a serial killer?
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: On March 23rd, 2007, Peter Tobin goes on trial for
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: the murder of Angelica Kluck. But even in court, Tobin
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: refuses to concede anything.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: Even with all the evidence against him, Angelica's blood on
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: his watch, the DNA, I'm not surprised at all that
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Peter Tobin says, not guilty.
• 37:02
  Speaker 18: He believes that he is able, by pleading not guilty,
• 37:05
  Speaker 18: to control and manage this situation. This is somebody who
• 37:09
  Speaker 18: believes that he can control the world around him.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: As Tobin continues to deny his involvement, the horrific details
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: of Angelica's murder are revealed to the jury.
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: This is the man who murdered Angelica Klug. Tobin had beaten,
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: raped and stabbed her to death, then concealed her body
• 37:30
  Speaker 9: under the floorboards in this church, just feet from the confessional.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: After just three and a half hours of deliberation, the
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: jury returns with a verdict. Tobin is found guilty and
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: is given a life sentence with a minimum term of
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: 21 years. But one question remains.
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: So the question is, are we in fact dealing with
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: a serial killer?
• 37:56
  Speaker 11: After he was convicted of Angelica Klux, that's when we
• 38:00
  Speaker 11: went public. He's in prison. He's not going anywhere. He's
• 38:02
  Speaker 11: not going to kill anyone else. So we went over
• 38:05
  Speaker 11: with Operation Anagram and conducted searches and interviewing other people.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: And Operation Anagram has a key witness, Kathy Wilson, who
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: had gone to police as soon as she learned of
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Tobin's connection to Angelica.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: She saw Peter Tobin's face, realized his name was out
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: there in connection with this overall investigation.
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: She went directly to police.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: And this busted the whole thing wide open on who
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: Peter Tobin really is.
• 38:38
  Speaker 11: Kathy Wilson could speak about his behavior and other things
• 38:41
  Speaker 11: about him. And that was really important. And she was
• 38:45
  Speaker 11: what you call a significant witness.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: Kathy Wilson is interviewed by officers from Operation Anagram on
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: several occasions and for many hours. During these interviews, she
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: explains that she had left Tobin more than 15 years ago.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: But could information from her past life with him help
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: police with their investigation now? Cathy tells police that after
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: fleeing Tobin's Bathgate home in 1990, she established a new
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: life for herself on England's south coast. But within six months,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Tobin had managed to re-establish contact.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: I agreed to let Peter come down from Scotland and
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: that we would talk, we would walk along the beach.
• 39:29
  Speaker 8: He was really... really trying to get me to come
• 39:31
  Speaker 8: back to him.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: But too much had happened and my awareness was that
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: there was no circumstances I would be allowed to live
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: my life again. If I even considered going back with him.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: So I was pretty strong on that point. But I
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: did say I don't want to stop me seeing Daniel
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 39:52
  Speaker 15: It might seem really hard to comprehend why Kathy would
• 39:55
  Speaker 15: have given him contact, given everything that he'd done. As
• 40:00
  Speaker 15: some memories possibly started to become less powerful for her,
• 40:04
  Speaker 15: maybe the desire for her son to have a father
• 40:07
  Speaker 15: was greater than the desire to keep him away.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: By early 1991, Peter Tobin was paying regular visits to
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: Kathy and Daniel. Eventually, she allows Tobin to spend an
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: afternoon alone with their son.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: I was so desperate for Daniel to have both parents
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: that I've done some things really that are quite ridiculous
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: if you look at them from outside.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: Tobin had promised to return Daniel that same afternoon, but
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: when evening comes, there's no sign of either of them
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and panic starts to set in for Kathy.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: By 6.30, I was immediately in full panic mode. I
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: know he's with his father, but he should be home.
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: It was late in the evening when I got a
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: phone call from him to say that he'd gone back
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: up to Scotland and that I would never see him
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: or my son again. He said, I'm going to leave
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: the country first thing in the morning, and that's it.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: You're not seeing either of us again.
• 41:15
  Speaker 14: Kathy's act of conciliatory kindness backfires when Peter Tobin takes
• 41:21
  Speaker 14: that child and essentially kidnaps him back to Scotland.
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: Kathy, of course, is reeling.
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: She goes to the police. Well, the police can't do
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: anything because he's the legal father. It's a civil matter.
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: It's a child custody case.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Desperate, Kathy turns to the courts for help.
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: I was in court at 9 o'clock the following morning.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: The judge said, well, all I can offer you at
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: the moment is I can give you sole custody. Unfortunately,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: I can only make it valid in England.
• 41:52
  Speaker 12: Cathy has only one choice.
• 41:53
  Speaker 14: She needs to find a way to get Daniel back
• 41:56
  Speaker 14: across the border from Scotland to England if she's going
• 42:00
  Speaker 14: to make that decree take effect.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: So I decided to hatch a plan. I was 17
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: years old and absolutely petrified. I phoned Peter and I said,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: you win.
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: I'm coming up.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Less than a year after having escaped from Tobin's Bathgate home,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: Kathy is heading back with no idea of the horrors
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: that await her.
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: And for three days and nights, I had to do
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: whatever it was that he wanted me to do.
• 42:29
  Speaker 8: Took me three days of hell, actually. Three days of hell.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: In 1991, Peter Tobin kidnapped his two-year-old son, Daniel, taking
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: him hundreds of miles away from his mother, Kathy, across
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: the Scottish border to a town called Bathgate. Kathy knows
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: that her only chance to save her son is to
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: get Tobin to bring him back to England, where she
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: can regain custody. But that involves Kathy returning to Scotland.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I was quite convinced that when I got up there,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: he would punish me for leaving him. This was his
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: first opportunity to be back in control. And it was
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: in the family house. And I had absolutely no idea
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: if I was going to come home alive.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: Kathy's plan is to try to convince Tobin that they
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: could get back together if he is willing to move
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: to England with her.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And for three days and nights, I had to do
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: whatever it was that he wanted me to do. to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: prove to him that I was going to be going
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: back with him again if he was to deign to
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: move further south with me. And that involved very uncomfortable
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: sex in very uncomfortable places, repeatedly, angrily.
• 43:52
  Speaker 8: It was disgusting.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: He would want to perform in front of Daniel, who
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: was obviously only a child.
• 44:00
  Speaker 8: But he did that.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: Because he was testing me to see if I was
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: really prepared to give it a go.
• 44:11
  Speaker 8: And I passed the test. Took me three days. Of hell, actually.
• 44:27
  Speaker 8: Three days of hell.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Kathy's plan works. After three days, Tobin agrees to drive
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: them all back south. And once back in Portsmouth, court
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: bailiffs step in to return Daniel to Kathy. 16 years later,
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: Kathy tells investigators from Operation Anagram the horrifying story.
• 45:01
  Speaker 11: For me, what she went through, you could never imagine that.
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: You could never imagine it. This is a woman that was,
• 45:10
  Speaker 11: I call her the living victim. She survived.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Although tragic, Kathy's story has confirmed a key address and
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: a date for Operation Anagram. Could Tobin's presence in Bathgate
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: in 1991 be the information investigators need to connect Tobin
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: to another murder?
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: So Kathy Wilson provides some critical information about an address
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: that she lived with Tobin in 1991. And at the
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: same time, there is a missing person case that develops
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: very nearby with a girl named Vicki Hamilton.
• 45:58
  Speaker 14: Vicki Hamilton was a 15-year-old schoolgirl who had suddenly disappeared
• 46:03
  Speaker 14: without a trace in 1991.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: This case became one of the biggest missing person cases
• 46:10
  Speaker 5: in Scottish history.
• 46:12
  Speaker 12: I remember it being all over the news.
• 46:14
  Speaker 16: I remember her picture being on milk cartons and picture
• 46:18
  Speaker 16: being on the local bus station.
• 46:19
  Speaker 12: So I remembered it very clearly.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: The only evidence that was ever developed in Vicki Hamilton's
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: disappearance was her purse found at a bus station that
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: appeared to have been discarded at that location.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Now, 16 years after her disappearance, police have established that
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: Peter Tobin, the convicted murderer and pedophile, was living only
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: a few miles from where Vicki Hamilton had last been seen.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Investigators immediately searched Tobin's former Bathgate residence.
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: Police stripped the house back to exactly how it had
• 46:55
  Speaker 9: been when Tobin lived there.
• 46:57
  Speaker 11: Loding and Borders Police searched the house where Tobin lived
• 47:01
  Speaker 11: in Bathgate. and they found a knife in the attic.
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: And they uncover a knife that still has particles of
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: human skin on the knife itself.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Could these skin particles be the first step in proving
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: that Peter Tobin is a serial killer? Immediately, forensic officers
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: are tasked with obtaining a DNA profile from the knife.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: And when the results come back, it is exactly as
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: investigators had feared.
• 47:30
  Speaker 7: Human tissue, human blood.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: On this knife comes back to Vicki Hamilton. That is
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: a paradigm shift in the investigation. That is a big
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: change right there.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Police are now convinced Peter Tobin is responsible for Vicki
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Hamilton's murder, but they need more.
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: So here's the dilemma that they face, even with this great,
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: great evidence. At this point in time, they don't have
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: a body, although they've got a pretty good indication here
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: that something nefarious has happened.
• 48:02
  Speaker 7: To Vicki Hamilton.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Can the fact that Tobin hid the knife in a
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: former home offer investigators a lead?
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: The fact that he has just discarded the knife in
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: the attic of this house would appear to be, you know,
• 48:16
  Speaker 6: something quite shocking, really. And I think perhaps this could
• 48:19
  Speaker 6: be down to his arrogance.
• 48:21
  Speaker 7: So he's keeping trophies. He's keeping weapons.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: So these are all little mementos that he keeps, and
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: he keeps them in his house.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Could Tobin have hidden vital evidence or maybe even bodies
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: in other homes he had lived in? It's now critical
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: investigators assemble a detailed picture of Tobin's previous addresses. But
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: building a timeline is easier said than done.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: Tobin is moving all over the country. All sorts of
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: different addresses, different locations, different areas. He's changing his name.
• 48:57
  Speaker 5: He's trying to continue to throw that fog out there
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: to muddy up who he is and where he is.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Now, Kathy Wilson can help investigators track Tobin's movements for
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: the 15 years they were together. Just how many victims
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: will investigators uncover? Kathy Wilson has helped investigators place Peter
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Tobin in Bathgate, Scotland in 1991, the same time and
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: place that schoolgirl Vicki Hamilton went missing. Thanks to Kathy,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: police found a knife with Vicki's DNA on it at
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Tobin's former address. But where is Vicki's body? Could Tobin's
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: former homes harbor other secrets? Could there be more victims?
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: So with all of my intensive questioning with the police,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: they'd got all the previous addresses we'd lived at together,
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: because some of them were just flitting addresses which no
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: one would have known about. And they started systematically searching them, basically.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: As police begin searching properties, they also look into unsolved
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: missing persons files and come across the case of 16-year-old
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Dinah McNichol, who went missing after hitchhiking home from a
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: music festival in southern England in 1991.
• 50:14
  Speaker 11: Ina McNichol went missing at the Lip Hook Festival. She
• 50:19
  Speaker 11: was thumbing a lift with her boyfriend. A Scottish man
• 50:24
  Speaker 11: picked him up. A nice Scottish man in a car
• 50:28
  Speaker 11: that spoke to her.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: Midway through their hitchhike journey, Dinah's friend exited the vehicle.
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: leaving Dinah to continue her journey alone with this unidentified
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Scottish driver. Could that driver have been Peter Tobin?
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: So in the case of Dinah McNichol, a missing person
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: case for 16 years, there's been no evidence of where
• 50:52
  Speaker 5: she went, and the only evidence that they have is
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: use of her debit card or ATM card after she
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: was missing.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: Could the locations where Dinah's card had been used to
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: withdraw money reveal the path of her journey?
• 51:12
  Speaker 11: So starting to piece it all together, her bank card
• 51:15
  Speaker 11: had been used all the way through the route there.
• 51:18
  Speaker 11: There had been withdrawals on it to take it out.
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: But when investigators check the location of the withdrawals, they
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: don't point to the direction of Dinah's home. Instead, they
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: show the card was used in Brighton and another town
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: several hours south of where Dinah lived.
• 51:36
  Speaker 7: What's interesting about the usage of this.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: ATM card that McNichol had is that it is being
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: traced back to a.
• 51:47
  Speaker 7: Town called Margate.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: And crucially, Margate is one of the locations that Kathy
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: Wilson has told investigators Peter Tobin once lived.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: Tobin moved to Margate after living in Bathgate, and he
• 52:04
  Speaker 6: lived in a house there. This was in 1991, and
• 52:08
  Speaker 6: this became really interesting to the police in their investigation.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: With Margate now a possible place of interest, police go
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: back to Cathy. Could Tobin have hidden anything there?
• 52:21
  Speaker 8: And I suppose he was only there a little while.
• 52:23
  Speaker 8: It wasn't very long.
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: But that was the property that we're next on to.
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: but they obviously thought it was quite a good candidate
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: of a place where someone might be.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: On November 14th, 2007, police arrive at Peter Tobin's former
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: home in Margate.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: Well, they get down there, they're going to search for
• 52:43
  Speaker 5: more evidence, and one of the neighbours conveys the fact
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: that there's a lot of strange going on over there
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: because they remember when Tobin was there.
• 52:51
  Speaker 6: His next-door neighbour told quite an intriguing story. about how
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: he discovered Tobin digging in the back garden one day
• 53:00
  Speaker 6: and just.
• 53:00
  Speaker 12: Said, what are you doing?
• 53:02
  Speaker 11: Tobin was digging a huge hole in the garden. And
• 53:06
  Speaker 11: he remembers the size of it. Tobin was down there,
• 53:08
  Speaker 11: and it was above his head. And he was saying
• 53:11
  Speaker 11: that it was a sandpit.
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: This was way deeper than it needed to be for
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: a child's sandpit. So this was something that stood out
• 53:18
  Speaker 6: as significant for that neighbour, and it would have got
• 53:21
  Speaker 6: the police thinking.
• 53:23
  Speaker 11: There was sufficient there to suspect Perhaps Dana was concealed
• 53:28
  Speaker 11: in that and got them.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Well, that immediately sets them into searching the area of
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: the sand pit, which they do, and they discover a body.
• 53:43
  Speaker 5: It's not the body that they expected or were looking for.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: If the body isn't Dinah McNichols, whose is it?
• 53:53
  Speaker 11: I can remember to this day what I was doing
• 53:55
  Speaker 11: when I got the phone call. They say that they
• 53:57
  Speaker 11: had found a body. And I thought that body was Dinah.
• 54:02
  Speaker 11: I said, no, it's Vicki Hamilton. And they could tell
• 54:06
  Speaker 11: by the clothing and everything that it was Vicki Hamilton.
• 54:09
  Speaker 11: I thought, right, this is unbelievable.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: But could Dinah McNichol also be buried here?
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: And then eventually they dig into the garden and they
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: find McNichol buried in the garden.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: For swindle the discovery is proof of what he has
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: long suspected that tobin is a serial killer but there
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: can be no sense of celebration.
• 54:44
  Speaker 11: Vicky hamilton and dynamic nicole endured horrendous sadistic attacks there
• 54:49
  Speaker 11: was gagging there was beans There was rape. What they
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: had gone through, we'll never imagine. No one can ever
• 55:02
  Speaker 11: imagine what happened to these young women.
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: With bodies, weapons and an emerging timeline, the case against
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Tobin seems strong. But all this really does is link
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: the girls to Tobin's properties. can Swindle find irrefutable evidence
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: that directly proves Peter Tobin is their killer?
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: So a decision is made to go back and re-examine
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: evidence that had been gathered.
• 55:34
  Speaker 11: When Vicky Hamilton went missing, part of the missing person
• 55:36
  Speaker 11: investigation resulted in them recovering Vicky Hamilton's purse at the
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: bus station in Edinburgh. And that purse was retained. With
• 55:45
  Speaker 11: the advancement of technology, they managed to identify the DNA
• 55:49
  Speaker 11: on that purse.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: Will the DNA on the purse conclusively link Tobin to
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: Vicki Hamilton?
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: Everyone's excited that this is going to be Peter Tobin,
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: and it's not.
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: But here's the hook.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: The DNA profile is so close to Peter Tobin that
• 56:06
  Speaker 5: it could not be anything other than a family member,
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: a relative.
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: Immediately, police head back to Kathy Wilson and her son Daniel.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: Could familial DNA be the forensic smoking gun? In late 2007,
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: officers from Operation Antigram uncovered the bodies of Vicki Hamilton
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: and Dinah McNichol, buried in a home previously owned by
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: convicted murderer Peter Tobin. For his former wife, Kathy Wilson,
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: the latest revelations of Tobin's brutality are hard to process.
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: I've now accepted that this is the person he is,
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: I think. But the revelations that keep coming out about
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: this man just don't stop. There's no end to it.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: Dinah's hands and feet had been bound, her mouth gagged
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: to stop her screaming. The 18-year-old's body gave up few
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: secrets when dug from Tobin's garden nearly two decades after
• 57:13
  Speaker 3: she disappeared. The body of Vicky Hamilton had been found
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: alongside that of Dinah McNichol.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: The girls were dismembered, so if you ever doubted at
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: any point that this was his first murder up in Scotland,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: you could quite clearly see now that he's a very
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: capable of really obscene, disgusting, gruesome kind of acts. He'd
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: just abandoned them. and moved on to someone else. He
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: really has no remorse in his body at all.
• 57:43
  Speaker 8: Not a single bit.
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: When we have crimes like these, we need to remember
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: that survivors who are living with the impact of it,
• 57:56
  Speaker 6: the trauma is everlasting.
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: I think probably the underlying thought that I had was
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: that I'd got away. Then I started to wonder how
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: I'd got away and what had I done differently to
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: make me get away. But the bottom line was that
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: I had got away, but I should be dead. And
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: the only conclusion I came from all of that overthinking,
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: which I still believe now, is the reason he didn't
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: kill me is because I gave him a son. And
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: something about having a son changed his view of me.
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: If Daniel had saved his mother's life, could he now
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: also help convict his father? If the DNA found on
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: Vicki Hamilton's purse is Daniel's, it'll be the key to
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: securing Tobin's conviction. But is this Daniel's DNA?
• 58:48
  Speaker 11: Daniel provided his DNA samples to be compared, and that
• 58:54
  Speaker 11: was confirmed that that was his DNA that was on
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: that purse. Tobin's son, Daniel, a three-year-old boy.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: It's the definitive link to Tobin that investigators had been
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: desperate for.
• 59:08
  Speaker 11: It links the purse, it links Vicky to the purse,
• 59:15
  Speaker 11: it links the son to be there, and it links Tobin.
• 59:17
  Speaker 11: So it was all part of a chain of evidence.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Knowing that it was Daniel's DNA that was a crucial
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: piece in the police jigsaw of building the crime up
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: And it made us feel quite proud that we were
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: able to help in some kind of way.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: The case against Tobin is now irrefutable. And in 2008
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: and 2009, while he's in jail, he's placed on trial
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: for the murders of Vicki Hamilton and Dinah McNichol, finally
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: to be revealed as the serial killer he is. At trial,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Tobin continues to deny all charges against him. And in court,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: he sits impassively, never looking up. That is, until it's
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: time for Kathy Wilson to testify.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 11: Now all of a sudden, when Kathy Wilson was giving evidence,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 11: his behavior changed. And you could tell he was still infatuated,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 11: and he's staring at her and looking at her.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: With Kathy's testimony and a wealth of evidence against him,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Tobin is convicted of both murders. Sentenced to life in
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: prison with no possibility of parole, the court has recognized
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: the danger he would pose should he ever be released.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: Today's verdict confirms Peter Tobin as one of Britain's most
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: prolific criminals, a man who, motivated by sexual desire, is
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: now known to have murdered at least three women.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: Peter Tobin is a predator. That is who he is.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: He is always on the lookout for vulnerabilities, for prey.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 18: The kind of murders that we've seen from Tobin are
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 18: not outbursts, but they are an absolute integral part of
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 18: his personality. So it's inevitable that given the opportunity, if
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 18: not incarcerated, this is somebody, this is a personality that
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 18: will continue to commit these kinds of crimes. until the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 18: dying day.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Tobin was convicted of three murders, but has he been
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: held accountable for all of his crimes?
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: So here is always the unanswered question at the end
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: of an investigation involving a serial killer, even when it's
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: successful like this one.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 7: Was, is, are there more? Are there more bodies?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: Are there more victims out there that we just don't
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: know about and may never know about?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: In prison, he has boasted of killing 48 women, and
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: officers working on Operation Anagram are trying to establish if
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: the serial killer is telling the truth.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: In the years following Tobin's convictions, Operation Anagram continued to
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: investigate Tobin's links to dozens of other potential murders.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 11: Is there any way that you can assist us? Father
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 11: doesn't know where she is, her family, we don't know. Sorry,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 11: I can't help you.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 8: We have no men.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 11: As I say, I've never met her.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: But despite Tobin's bragging to fellow prisoners about committing 48 murders,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: no other definitive evidence was ever found. But thanks to
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: Operation Anagram, some sense of closure is possible for the
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: families of some of Tobin's victims.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 11: I'm proud of what I did setting up Operation Anagram
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 11: because we would never have known what happened to these
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 11: young women. But I'm disappointed that we haven't found out
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 11: other people that he killed.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: I have a feeling he's sitting in a prison cell now,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: not concerning himself with the impact he's had on anyone's life,
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: mine or Daniel's or any of the other people that
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: he's attacked and hurt. I think he's merciless and with
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: no compassion at all. So when I think back about
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: my times with Peter all those years ago and the
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: horrible things he made me endure and the horrible way
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I was treated and the cruelness that he showed me,
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: I can say with hand on heart that one good
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: thing did come out of that, and that was to
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: have my son Daniel.
• 1:03:33
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