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DJT Audio Archive: Republican Debate #8 - Manchester, New Hampshire (February 6, 2016) · Real Donald Trump Wisdom

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You couldn't hear, we couldn't hear either. That's
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a good sign for the excitement this evening.
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Gentlemen, thank you for being here tonight,
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just days before voters here in New Hampshire
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make their decisions. The rules are simple and
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have been agreed to by all the campaigns. There
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will be 60 seconds to answer, and if another
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candidate is mentioned in that answer, that candidate
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will have 30 seconds to respond. There are green,
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yellow, and red lights that each candidate will
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see to signal when time is up, and they will
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also hear this sound. So let's get started. We
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welcome you all to the debate stage here tonight.
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We're going to tackle the issues Americans are
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most concerned about, the economy, ISIS, homeland
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security, and here in New Hampshire, some of
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the most heated rhetoric yet over who is best
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suited to step in on day one, who has the experience,
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who has the temperament to be commander -in -chief.
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Mr. Trump, Senator Cruz has said about you right
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here in New Hampshire this week, quote, I don't
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know anyone who would be comfortable with someone
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who behaves this way having his finger on the
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button. Reliable to wake up one morning, and
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if he were president, he would nuke Denmark,
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saying, quote, that's not the temperament of
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a leader to keep this country safe. I wanted
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to give you the opportunity to respond to this
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and to tell the American people tonight why you
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do have the temperament to be commander -in -chief.
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I actually think I have the best temperament.
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I built a massive corporation. I employ thousands
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and thousands of people. I've gotten along with
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people for years and years, have tremendous relationships
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with many people, including politicians on both
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sides. And no matter how you cut it, when I came
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out... I hit immigration. I hit it very hard.
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Everybody said, oh, the temperament, because
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I talked about illegal immigration. Now everybody's
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coming to me. They're all trying to say, oh,
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well, he's right. We have to come to him. I hit
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other things. I talked about Muslims. We have
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a problem. Nobody else wanted to mention the
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problem. I brought it up. I took a lot of heat.
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We have to have a temporary something, because
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there's something going on that's not good. And
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remember this. I'm the only one up here. When
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the war in Iraq... I was the one that said, don't
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go, don't do it, you're going to destabilize
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the Middle East. So I'm not one with a trigger.
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I'm not one with a trigger. Other people up here,
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believe me, would be a lot faster. But I'll build
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the military stronger, bigger, better than anybody
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up here, and nobody's going to mess with us.
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That I can tell you. Mr. Trump, thank you. I
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want to bring this back to Senator Cruz, then.
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Because, Senator, you did say of Trump's behavior
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this week, that's not the temperament of a leader
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to keep this country safe. Why not? Well, you
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know, David, the assessment the voters are making
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here in New Hampshire and across the country
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is they're evaluating each and every one of us.
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They are looking to our experience. They're looking
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to our knowledge. They're looking to our temperament
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and judgment. They're looking to our clarity
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of vision and our strength of resolve. The world
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is getting much more dangerous. We've had seven
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years with Barack Obama in the Oval Office, a
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commander -in -chief that is unwilling even to
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acknowledge the enemy we're facing. who in the
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wake of Paris, in the wake of San Bernardino,
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will not even use the words radical Islamic terrorism,
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much less focus on defeating the enemy. I am
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convinced every individual standing on this stage
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would make a much better commander -in -chief
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than Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or Bernie
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Sanders. And the primary voters... are making
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the assessment for each of us who is best prepared
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to keep this country safe, to rebuild the military,
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to rebuild our Navy, our Air Force, our Army,
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our Marines, and to ensure that we keep America
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safe. Senator Cruz, I did ask about Mr. Trump.
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You said he doesn't have the temperament to be
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commander -in -chief. Do you stand by those words?
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I think that is an assessment the voters are
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going to make, and they're going to make it of
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each and every one of us. They are going to assess
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who is level -headed, who has clear vision, who
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has judgment. who can confront our enemies, who
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can confront the threats we face in this country,
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and who can have the judgment when to engage
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and when not to engage. Both are incredibly important
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for a commander -in -chief, knowing how to go
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after our enemies. In the case of Iran, for example,
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who has the clarity of vision to understand that
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the Ayatollah Khamenei, when he chants, death
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to America, he means it. We need a president.
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with the judgment and resolve to keep this country
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safe from radical Islamic terrorists. Senator
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Cruz, thank you. We're going to continue on this
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notion of readiness and experience. Am I allowed
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to respond? I have to respond. If you'd like
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to respond, Mr. Trump. First of all, I respect
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what Ted just said. But if you noticed, he didn't
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answer your question. And that's what's going
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to happen. It's okay. That's what's going to
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happen with our enemies and the people we compete
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against. We're going to win with Trump. We're
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going to win. We don't win anymore. Our country
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doesn't win anymore. We're going to win with
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Trump and people back down with Trump. And that's
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what I like. And that's what the country is going
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to like. Mr. Trump, thank you. And we're going
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to continue on this notion of readiness and on
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experience. But I do want to ask about a headline
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that was back in the papers again this morning.
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Dr. Carson, on the day of the Iowa caucuses,
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the Cruz campaign sent out messages and voicemails
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saying, quote, breaking news. Dr. Ben Carson
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will be planning to suspend his campaign following
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tonight's caucuses. Please inform any Carson
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caucus goers of this news. But as we can all
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see, you're still standing here tonight. Late
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this week, your campaign sent this email. Quote,
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this kind of deceitful behavior is why the American
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people don't trust politicians. If Senator Cruz
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does not act, then he clearly represents D .C.
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values. What kind of action do you think Senator
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Cruz should take? Well, you know, when I wasn't
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introduced, number two, as was the plan, I thought
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maybe he thought I already had dropped out. But,
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you know, today is the 105th anniversary or 105th
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birthday of Ronald Reagan. His 11th commandment
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was not to speak ill of another Republican. So
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I'm not going to use this opportunity to savage
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the reputation of Senator Cruz. But I will say
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that I was very disappointed. that members of
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his team thought so little of me that they thought
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that after having hundreds, if not thousands,
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of volunteers and college students who sacrificed
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their time and were dedicated to the cause, one
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even died, to think that I would just walk away
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ten minutes before the caucus and say, forget
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about you guys. I mean, who would do something
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like that? Now, I don't think anyone on this
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stage would do something like that. And to assume
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that someone would, what does that tell you?
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So, unfortunately, it did happen. It gives us
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a very good example of certain types of Washington
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ethics. Washington ethics basically says, if
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it's legal, you do what you need to do in order
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to win. That's not my ethics. My ethics is you
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do what's right. Senator Cruz, Dr. Carson, thank
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you. Senator Cruz, you have said that Dr. Carson
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and his wife have become friends of yours. I'm
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curious, why didn't you call ahead of time, either
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the doctor or his wife, or have your campaign
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check in with the other campaign before sending
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out those messages? Ben is a good and honorable
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man, and Ben and Candy have become friends. He
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has an amazing life story that has inspired millions,
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including me. When this transpired, I apologized
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to him then and I do so now. Ben, I'm sorry.
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Let me tell you the facts of what occurred for
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those who are interested in knowing. On Monday
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night, about 6 .30 p .m., CNN reported that Ben
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was not going from Iowa to New Hampshire or South
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Carolina. Rather, he was, quote, taking a break
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from campaigning. They reported that on television,
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CNN's political anchors, Jake Tapper and Dana
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Bash and Wolf Blitzer, said it was highly unusual
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and highly significant. My political team saw
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CNN's report breaking news, and they forwarded
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that news to our volunteers. It was being covered
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on live television. Now, at the time, I was at
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the caucuses. I was getting ready to speak at
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the caucuses, just like Ben was, just like everyone
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else was. I knew nothing about this. A couple
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hours later, I found out about it. I was told
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that Ben was unhappy. I called him that evening
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because I respect him very, very highly. I didn't
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reach him that evening. I reached him the next
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day and apologized. He asked me then, he said,
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Ted, would you make this apology in public? I
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said, yes, I will. And I did so. I regret that
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subsequently CNN reported on that. They didn't
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correct that story until 915 that night. So from
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630 p .m. to 915, that's what CNN was reporting.
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Subsequent to that initial report, Ben's campaign
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put out a statement saying that he was not suspending
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his campaign. I wish. that our campaign staff
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had forwarded that statement. They were unaware
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of it. I wish that they had. That's why I apologized.
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Senator Cruz, thank you. We're going to move
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on here and back to the issues. Since I was mentioned...
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Dr. Carson, please. This is great. You guys,
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I want you to all mention me when you say something.
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In fact, the timeline indicates that that initial
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tweet from CNN... was followed by another one
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within one minute that clarified that I was not
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dropping out. So what happened to that one, it
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is unclear. But the bottom line is we can see
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what happened. Everybody can see what happened,
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and you can make your own judgment. Dr. Carson,
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thank you. Thank you, Doctor. Senator Rubio,
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I want to stay on the issue of readiness to be
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president and experience and questions about
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you being a first -term senator. Governor Christie
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warning voters here in New Hampshire against
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voting for another first -term senator, as America
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did with Barack Obama in 2008, arguing that you
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are, quote, not ready to be president of the
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United States. And Senator Santorum, who we all
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know dropped out of the race just this week and
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endorsed you, had a hard time, when asked on
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national television, listing your accomplishments
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as senator. Tonight, what are your accomplishments
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in the Senate? that demonstrate you're ready
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to be president of the United States. Well, let
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me say, from protecting the people of Florida
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from imminent domain abuse, to bringing accountability
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to the VA, to the Girls Count Act, to sanctioning
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terrorist groups, I'm proud of my service in
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the United States Senate and before that in the
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Florida legislature. I will say, if politics
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becomes and the presidency becomes about electing
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the people who have been in Congress or in the
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Senate the longest, we should all rally around
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Joe Biden. He's been around a thousand years.
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He's passed hundreds of bills. And I don't think
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any of us believe Joe Biden should be president
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of the United States. And let's dispel once and
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for all with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't
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know what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's
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doing. Barack Obama is undertaking a systematic
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effort to change this country, to make America
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more like the rest of the world. That's why he
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passed Obamacare and the stimulus and Dodd -Frank
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and the deal with Iran. It is a systematic effort
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to change America. When I'm president of the
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United States, we are going to re -embrace all
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the things that made America the greatest nation
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in the world, and we are going to leave our children
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what they deserve, the single greatest nation
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in the history of the world. Senator Rubio, thank
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you. I do want to ask Governor Christie. Governor
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Christie, you said, fool me once, shame on you.
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Fool me twice, shame on me, when it comes to
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electing a first -term senator. You heard Senator
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Rubio make the case that he does have the experience.
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Your response? Sure. First, let's remember something.
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Every morning when a United States senator wakes
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up, they think about, what kind of speech can
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I give or what kind of bill can I drop? Every
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morning when I wake up, I think about, what kind
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of problem do I need to solve for the people
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who actually elected me? It's a different experience.
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It's a much different experience. And the fact
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is, Marco, you shouldn't compare yourself to
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Joe Biden. And you shouldn't say that that's
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what we're doing. Here's exactly what we're doing.
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You have not been involved in a consequential
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decision where you had to be held accountable.
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You just simply haven't. And the fact is, when
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you talk about the Hezbollah Sanctions Act that
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you list as one of your accomplishments and just
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did, you weren't even there to vote for it. That's
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not leadership. That's truancy. The fact is that
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what we need to do... What we need to have in
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this country is not to make the same mistake
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we made eight years ago. The fact is it does
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matter when you have to make decisions to be
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held accountable for them. It does matter when
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the challenges don't come on a list of a piece
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of paper of what to vote yes or no every day,
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but when the problems come in from the people
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that you serve. I like Marco Rubio, and he's
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a smart person and a good guy, but he simply
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does not have the experience to be President
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of the United States and make these decisions.
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We've watched it happen, everybody. For the last
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seven years, the people of New Hampshire are
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smart. Do not make the same mistake again. I
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think the experience is not just what you did,
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but how it worked out. Under Chris Christie's
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governorship of New Jersey, they've been downgraded
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nine times in their credit rating. This country
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already has a debt problem. We don't need to
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add to it by electing someone who has experience
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at running up and destroying the credit rating
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of his state. But I would add this. Let's dispel
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with this fiction that Barack Obama doesn't know
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what he's doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.
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He is trying to change this country. He wants
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America to become more like the rest of the world.
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We don't want to be like the rest of the world.
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We want to be the United States of America. And
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when I'm elected president, this will become,
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once again, the single greatest nation in the
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history of the world, not the disaster Barack
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Obama has imposed upon us. Senator Rubio, thank
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you. I do want to bring in Governor Bush on this
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because you made this. If you'd like to respond
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to the economic... I think he directly mentioned
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me in my record in there. So I think I get a
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chance to respond. You see, everybody, I want
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the people at home to think about this. That's
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what Washington... D .C. does. The drive -by
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shot at the beginning with incorrect and incomplete
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information, and then the memorized 25 -second
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speech that is exactly what his advisors gave
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him. See, Marco, the thing is this. When you're
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President of the United States, when you're Governor
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of a state, The memorized 30 -second speech where
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you talk about how great America is at the end
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of it doesn't solve one problem for one person.
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They expect you to plow the snow. They expect
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you to get the schools open. And when the worst
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natural disaster in your state's history hits
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you, they expect you to rebuild their state,
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which is what I've done. None of that stuff happens
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on the floor of the United States Senate. It's
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a fine job. I'm glad you ran for it. But it does
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not prepare you for president of the United States.
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Chris. Chris, your state got hit by a massive
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snowstorm two weeks ago. You didn't even want
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to go back. They had to shame you into going
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back. And then you stayed there for 36 hours,
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and then he left and came back to campaign. Those
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are the facts. Here's the bottom line. This notion
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that Barack Obama doesn't know what he's doing
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is just not true. There it is. He knows exactly
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what he's doing. There it is, the memorized 25
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-second speech. That's the reason why this campaign
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is so important. Because I think this notion,
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I think this is an important point. We have to
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understand what we're going through here. We
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are not facing a president that doesn't know
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what he's doing. He knows what he is doing. That's
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why he's done the things he's done. That's why
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we have a president that passed Obamacare and
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the stimulus. All this damage he's done to America
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is deliberate. This is a president that's trying
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to redefine this country. That's why this election
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is truly a referendum on our identity as a nation,
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as a people. Our future is at stake. This election
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is not about the past. It is about what kind
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of country this is going to be in the 21st century.
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And if we elect someone like Barack Obama, a
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Hillary Clinton, a Bernie Sanders, or anyone
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like that, our children are going to be the first
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Americans that inherit a diminished country that
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will not have an environment. Governor Christie,
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we will... You know what the shame is? You know
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what the shame is, Marco? The shame is that you
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would actually criticize somebody for showing
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up to work, plowing the streets, getting the
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trains run back on time, when you've never been
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responsible for that in your entire life. He
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didn't want to go back. And the fact is, I went
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back, it got done, and here's... He didn't want
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to go back. I went back... Oh, so wait a second.
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Is that one of the skills you get as a United
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States Senator, ESP also? Chris, everybody, you
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said you weren't going to go back. The fact is,
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Marco. He told everyone he wasn't going to go
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back. And they had to shame him into going back.
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Marco, because. And then when he decided to go
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back, he criticized the young lady saying, what
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am I supposed to do, go back with a mop? By the
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way, it gets very unruly when he gets off his
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talking points. Thank you, Governor. I will mention
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you. It's your record. It's not a talking point.
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It's your record. Governor Bush, I'll mention
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your name so that you can come in on this. And
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I do want to bring you in on this. I want to
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bring you in on this because you've made this
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central to your campaign right here in New Hampshire
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in the last couple of days. But four years ago,
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you said of Senator Rubio, he was ready to be
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vice president. You spoke of his experience as
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well. You said he has the fortitude to be a good
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president. But just this week, you said Senator
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Rubio accomplished, quote, nothing in the Senate.
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How do you square the two? Well, first of all,
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he said the exact same thing about me, that I
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would make a great vice presidential nominee
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when Mitt Romney was considering. I said the
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same thing about Marco. I think we were both
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right at the time, and Mitt picked somebody else.
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So let's move on to the 2016 race. Who has the
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leadership skills to lead? And I'm proud of the
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fact that I have 12 Medal of Honor recipients,
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over 30 admirals and generals that believe that
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I would be a steady hand as commander -in -chief.
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that I served as governor of the state of Florida
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where we cut taxes and reduced government. I
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took on very powerful interests, forged consensus,
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fought for my beliefs, implemented them. The
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state was better off. We had eight hurricanes
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and four tropical storms in 16 months. The whole
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state was turned upside down. It required a steady
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hand. Leadership. You learn this. You learn it
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by doing it. It's not something that you show
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up and on the job do it. It's not to say, look,
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let's be clear. Marco Rubio is a gifted, gifted
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politician. And he may have the skills to be
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a president of the United States. But we've tried
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it the old way with Barack Obama, with soaring
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eloquence. And we got, we didn't get a leader.
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We got someone who wants to divide the country
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up. The next president is going to have to forge
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consensus to bring about a set of common purposes
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so that we can move forward again. We're going
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to continue with leadership now and more time.
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Senator Cruz, you are a first -term senator as
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well. Your opponents say you, like Senator Rubio,
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are not prepared to be commander -in -chief.
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You have talked off about threats we face in
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the Mideast. It was reported just moments ago
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that the North Koreans test -launched an intercontinental
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ballistic missile. North Korea has nuclear weapons
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and conducted another nuclear test just last
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month. The missile that was launched is the kind
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the North Koreans hope could someday carry a
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nuclear weapon capable of reaching the United
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States. How would you respond if Commander -in
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-Chief to that launch? Well, I would note initially
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the fact that we're seeing the launch and we're
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seeing the launch from a nuclear North Korea
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is the direct result of the failures of the first
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Clinton administration. The Clinton administration
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led the world in relaxing sanctions against North
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Korea. Billions of dollars flowed into North
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Korea in exchange for promises not to build nuclear
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weapons. They took those billions and built nuclear
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weapons. And I would note also the lead negotiator
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in that failed North Korea sanctions deal was
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a woman named Wendy Sherman. who Barack Obama
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and Hillary Clinton promptly recruited to come
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back to be the lead negotiator with Iran. So
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what we are seeing with North Korea is foreshadowing
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of where we will be with Iran. With respect to
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North Korea and what we should do now, one of
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the first things we should do is expand our missile
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defense capacity. We ought to put missile defense
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interceptors in South Korea. South Korea wants
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them. And one of the real risks of this launch,
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North Korea wants to launch a satellite. And
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one of the greatest risks of the satellite is
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they would place a nuclear device in the satellite
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as it would orbit around the Earth, and as it
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got over the United States, they would detonate
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that nuclear weapon and set off what's called
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an EMP, an electromagnetic pulse, which could
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take down the entire electrical grid on the eastern
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seaboard, potentially killing millions. We need
20:46
to harden the grid to defend ourselves, and we
20:48
need missile defense to protect ourselves against
20:50
North Korea. Well, let me ask you this. If you
20:54
were commander -in -chief tonight, Would you
20:57
have ordered the U .S. military to destroy that
21:00
missile preemptively on the launch pad to prevent
21:04
North Korea from becoming an even graver threat?
21:08
You know, at this point, I'm not going to speculate
21:10
on that without the intelligence briefing that
21:12
any commander -in -chief would have knowing what
21:14
exactly is there. One of the real problems...
21:17
Senator Cruz, let me tell you this. You have
21:19
talked tough about the Mideast. You haven't gotten
21:21
those intelligence briefings about that. Why
21:24
not tell us whether you would... preemptively
21:26
strike a missile on a launch pad that threatens
21:29
the U .S.? Actually, with respect, I have gotten
21:30
the intelligence briefings on the Mideast. Those
21:33
have been going on for many years. I haven't
21:35
gotten the intelligence briefing tonight on what
21:37
North Korea is doing because I'm here in New
21:39
Hampshire. And when you're responding to an immediate
21:42
incident, you need to know the intelligence of
21:44
what's occurring. But what I was saying, look,
21:46
it is qualitatively different. dealing with a
21:49
country once they have nuclear weapons. It's
21:51
why you prevent them from getting nuclear weapons
21:53
in the first place, because your hands are somewhat
21:56
tied once they have nukes. It's why this Iranian
21:59
nuclear deal is so catastrophic, and it's why
22:02
I pledged on the very first day in office to
22:05
rip to shreds this Iranian nuclear deal so we're
22:08
not sitting here in five years wondering what
22:11
to do about an Iranian missile launch when they
22:13
have nuclear weapons. The stakes are too high
22:15
for that. Okay, Senator Cruz, I will say that.
22:18
That missile has been sitting there for quite
22:19
some time, and they have had eyes on it. Martha,
22:22
just to clarify on that point, because he's right,
22:24
and one more thing to point, it is standard procedure
22:26
of the United States to shoot down those missiles
22:28
once launched if they pose a threat to civilians,
22:30
land, or ships. Senator Rubio, I'm talking about
22:32
a preemptive strike on the launch pad. No, I
22:34
understand, but I think it's important to note
22:37
that it is, and Senator Cruz, I think, was alluding
22:40
to this as well, it is the standard procedure
22:42
of the United States if, in fact, those missiles
22:44
pose a threat to land, civilians, our allies,
22:46
or any of ours. assets to shoot down that missile
22:49
in mid -flight. I understand your question was
22:51
about a preemptive strike, but my point is that
22:53
there is in place now contingencies to avoid
22:55
any sort of that strike from going errant and
22:58
destroying any assets of the United States or
23:01
implicating or hurting any of our allies or any
23:03
of our assets in the region. Okay. Thank you,
23:06
Senator Rubio. Governor Kasich, how would you
23:08
respond to tonight's launch? Well, we've got
23:10
to step up the pressure. And by the way, I've
23:12
got to say, after being here, every one of my
23:14
100 town hall meetings in New Hampshire, We're
23:17
a lot more fun than what I saw here today. We're
23:19
so much more positive. Look, in terms of North
23:22
Korea, Martha, we have to make sure that we intercept
23:25
both the ships and their aircraft because what
23:28
they're trying to do is to proliferate this very
23:31
dangerous material along with the technology,
23:35
the instruments that can be used for mass destruction.
23:38
That's what I worry about the most, frankly,
23:41
is non -state actors, people who don't have a
23:44
uniform, people who don't have a country. who
23:47
can spread this, who are not subject to the mutual
23:51
assured defense. In other words, you strike us,
23:53
we strike you. Some of these radicals, they don't
23:56
care about that. That's what I worry about for
23:58
my children and for their children going forward.
24:01
So we have to be very tough. And we should tell
24:03
the Chinese, look, if you're not going to do
24:05
this, ballistic missile defense to Koreans, ballistic
24:08
missile defense to Japan. And by the way, we
24:10
should impose the same kind of sanctions on North
24:13
Korea that we imposed on Iran. Because they're
24:15
able to shift money. They're able to send money
24:18
and receive money. We've got to be very tough
24:20
on this. And frankly, I think we could have let
24:23
the Japanese know that if you want to take action
24:26
on that missile that's rising, you want to take
24:30
action, you will have our support if that's what
24:33
you think is the best thing to do. We cannot
24:35
continue. to be weak in the face of the North
24:39
Koreans or, frankly, in the entire rest of the
24:41
world. Martha, this relates to strategic patience.
24:45
This relates to the strategic patience of the
24:48
Obama administration. They come up with these
24:49
great marketing terms, and what they do is they
24:52
pull back, and voids are filled, and they're
24:54
now filled by asymmetric threats of terror as
24:56
well as nation states on the run. The next president
24:59
of the United States is going to have to get
25:00
the United States back in the game, and if a
25:02
preemptive strike is necessary to keep us safe,
25:04
then we should do it. Thank you, Governor Bush.
25:09
Mr. Trump, do you have a red line with North
25:13
Korea? Would you consider military action, and
25:16
how far would you let them go? Well, let me say
25:18
a couple of things. First of all, Marco said
25:20
earlier on that President Obama knows exactly
25:23
what he's doing, like we have this president
25:26
that really knows. I disagree respectfully with
25:30
Marco. I think we have a president who, as a
25:33
president, is totally incompetent, and he doesn't
25:36
know what he's doing. I think he has no idea
25:38
what he's doing, and our country is going to
25:41
hell. So I just want to say we disagree on that.
25:45
Is that okay? Yeah, I got mentioned. Can I respond?
25:49
I'd like to finish the question, please. As to
25:51
North Korea. We have tremendous has been just
25:55
sucked out of our country by China. China says
25:59
they don't have that good a control over North
26:01
Korea. They have tremendous control. I deal with
26:04
the Chinese all of the time. I do tremendous
26:06
business. The largest bank in the world is in
26:08
one of my buildings in Manhattan. I deal with
26:10
them. They tell me. They have total, absolute
26:13
control, practically, of North Korea. They are
26:16
sucking trillions of dollars out of our country.
26:19
They're rebuilding China with the money they
26:21
take out of our country. I would get on with
26:24
China, let China solve that problem. They can
26:27
do it quickly and surgically. That's what we
26:30
should do with North Korea. Senator Rubio, you
26:33
were mentioned. Here's the broader point as well,
26:37
and I think it touches on what Donald just mentioned.
26:39
Barack Obama views America as this arrogant global
26:42
power that needed to be cut down to size. This
26:45
is a president that views this country as a country
26:48
that's been too powerful in the world and we
26:50
create problems around the world. For example,
26:52
it's one of the reasons why he has betrayed Israel.
26:55
Because he believes if we create separation from
26:57
Israel, it will help our relations in the Islamic
26:59
world. The same is happening in the Asia -Pacific
27:02
region, with accommodations to North Korea. North
27:05
Koreans should be back on the list of terrorist
27:07
nations, as an example. And Donald's absolutely
27:09
right. China does have a lot of influence over
27:11
North Korea. And he should be leveraging our
27:13
relationship with the Chinese to ensure that
27:16
North Korea no longer has access to the resources
27:18
that have allowed a country that has no economy
27:21
to develop long -range missiles already capable
27:24
of... reaching the west coast of the united states
27:26
potentially thank you very much senator rubio
27:28
governor bush another problem facing the commander
27:30
in chief right now is that north korea is currently
27:33
detaining an american college student what would
27:36
you do to get that college student back home
27:39
well first of all it's interesting that that
27:41
happened literally days when this hostage release
27:44
took place but in iran a day or two days afterwards
27:47
north korea took a held an American student hostage.
27:52
I think it's when we send a signal of weakness,
27:55
when we're negotiating to release people that
27:57
committed crimes in our country for people that
27:59
didn't commit crimes that are held hostage in
28:01
Iran, we saw the shameful treatment of our sailors,
28:04
that this creates weakness, sends a signal of
28:07
weakness around the world. The next president
28:09
of the United States is going to have to get
28:11
back in the game, where the United States' word
28:13
matters, where we back up our allies, where we
28:16
don't send signals of weakness. We need to use
28:19
every influence possible to get this student
28:21
back. And I think John is right about this. There
28:24
are crippling sanctions that are available as
28:27
it relates to the two or three banks that North
28:29
Korea uses to use its illicit trade. And we ought
28:33
to reestablish those sanctions, not just because
28:35
of the student, but because of their actions
28:37
that they're taking right now as it relates to
28:39
building this missile capability. Governor Christie,
28:41
I want to go to you on the same question. Would
28:47
you negotiate with North Korea? No, let's make
28:49
something very clear. I learned seven years as
28:52
a federal prosecutor in dealing with types of
28:54
situations like we're talking about in North
28:56
Korea, where criminals take people hostage. You
28:58
never pay ransom to the criminals, ever. You
29:02
never pay ransom to the criminals. Everyone out
29:04
at home watching tonight understands that principle.
29:06
And so what you need to do is to engage in a
29:08
much different way with these folks. They do
29:11
not understand anything but toughness and strength.
29:15
And we need to engage the Chinese to deal with
29:17
the North Koreans. But we also need to make sure
29:20
that they understand there's a commander in chief
29:21
who will not pay ransom for any hostage. This
29:24
president and his former secretary of state are
29:27
for paying ransom for hostages. When you do that,
29:30
you endanger even more Americans around the world
29:33
to be the subject of this type of hostage taking
29:35
and illegal detention. You need a strong commander
29:38
in chief who will look these folks in the eye
29:39
and say, we will not put up with this and we
29:42
will take whatever actions we need to take. not
29:44
only to get our people home safely, but to swiftly
29:46
and surely punish those who believe they can
29:49
violate the law and violate Americans' sovereign
29:52
rights to travel the world freely and safely.
29:55
This is unacceptable, and this is why this president
29:57
is so weak and why the Secretary of State, who's
30:00
embracing a third Barack Obama term, would be
30:02
even weaker. Thank you very much, Governor Christensen.
30:05
David. Martha, we're going to turn to immigration
30:08
now, and I want to bring in Governor Kasich,
30:10
because you told us in an ABC interview, Governor,
30:12
quote, it is completely ridiculous to think that
30:15
we're going to go into neighborhoods, grab people
30:16
out of their homes, and ship people back to Mexico.
30:19
Adding, quote, that's not where the party is.
30:21
The party is not for deporting 11 .5 million
30:24
people. But Mr. Trump and Senator Cruz, who've
30:27
made deportation central to their campaigns,
30:30
top the national polls. So my question for you,
30:33
are you not where the voters are? Well, you know,
30:36
David, I've spent a lot of time here in this
30:38
state, as I mentioned earlier, and we have to
30:41
have practical solutions, just like we were just
30:43
talking about a few minutes ago on North Korea.
30:46
Look, the situation is we need to finish the
30:48
border. It has to be completed. Just like we
30:51
lock our doors at night, the country has to be
30:53
able to lock its doors. And we can have a guest
30:56
worker program where people can come in and out
30:58
in an orderly way. And then for the 11 .5 million
31:01
that are here, If they have not committed a crime
31:04
since they've been here, I believe they ought
31:06
to pay some back taxes, pay a fine, never get
31:09
on the path to citizenship, but get legalization.
31:13
I couldn't even imagine how we would even begin
31:16
to think about taking a mom or a dad out of a
31:20
house when they have not committed a crime since
31:22
they've been here, leaving their children in
31:24
the house. I mean, that is not, in my opinion,
31:28
the kind of values that we believe in. And secondly,
31:31
I think at the end of the day that Americans
31:34
would support a plan like this. I think Congress
31:36
would pass a plan to finish the border, guest
31:38
worker, pay a fine, a path to legalization, and
31:41
not citizenship. And we've got to get this done.
31:44
And I will tell you this. Within the first hundred
31:46
days that I am president, I will put that proposal
31:49
to the Congress. And I will tell you, as a former
31:52
congressman and an executive in Ohio, I can promise
31:56
you that I believe you'll get the votes to pass
31:58
that, and we can move on with that issue and
32:00
protect our border. Governor Kasich, thank you.
32:02
I want to bring this next to Senator Cruz. You
32:07
heard what the governor said. He said we need
32:08
practical solutions. And you've said, I don't
32:10
intend to send jackboots to knock on doors. That's
32:13
not how we enforce the law for any crime. So
32:16
what is your plan? How will you deport 11 .5
32:18
billion undocumented people? And be specific,
32:21
how would you do it? So in terms of a practical
32:23
solution, I've laid out the most detailed plan.
32:26
for solving illegal immigration. It's 11 pages,
32:29
single spaced, chapter and verse. It's on our
32:31
website, tedcruz .org. In short, what we're going
32:34
to do, we're going to build a wall. We're going
32:36
to triple the border patrol. We're going to increase.
32:39
And actually, since Donald enjoyed that, I will
32:43
simply say I've got somebody in mind to build
32:45
it. We're going to increase fourfold the fixed
32:49
wing and rotary wing aircraft. so that you have
32:52
technology monitoring and attempted incursion
32:55
to direct the boots on the ground where they're
32:57
occurring. We're going to put in place a strong
33:00
e -verify system in the workplace, so you can't
33:03
get a job without proving you're here legally.
33:05
We'll put in place a biometric exit -entry system
33:08
on visas, because 40 % of illegal immigration
33:11
comes not over the border illegally, but people
33:14
coming on visas and overstaying. We will end
33:16
sanctuary cities by cutting off taxpayer dollars
33:19
to any jurisdiction that defies federal immigration
33:22
law. And we will end welfare benefits for those
33:25
here illegally. But let me just ask you this,
33:28
though, because Governor Kasich was talking about
33:30
the families and what you do with the families
33:32
that you have to send home. Can you tell the
33:34
American people tonight how you would do that?
33:36
What you do is you enforce the law. You know,
33:38
under the Constitution, the president has an
33:40
obligation to, quote, take care that the laws
33:44
be faithfully executed. Federal immigration law
33:46
provides if someone is here illegally and is
33:49
apprehended, they are to be deported. We saw
33:52
just this past week the head of the Border Patrol
33:55
Union testify before Congress that President
33:57
Obama had given the order to the Border Patrol
34:00
to stand down, not to enforce the law. That is
34:03
wrong. I will enforce the law. And for everyone
34:06
who says you can't possibly do that, I would
34:09
note that in eight years, Bill Clinton deported
34:12
12 million people. In eight years, George W.
34:15
Bush deported 10 million people. Enforcing the
34:18
law, we can do it. What is missing is the political
34:21
will. And when they were deporting the people,
34:22
the border wasn't secure, so they'd come right
34:25
back. Once you secure the border, enforcing the
34:28
law will solve this problem, and that will benefit
34:30
American workers. Senator Cruz, thank you. I
34:33
want to bring in Senator Rubio. This question
34:35
is about immigration. It's also about leadership.
34:38
You're aware of the criticism from many candidates
34:40
on this stage tonight that you co -authored the
34:42
so -called Gang of Eight bill that would have
34:44
created a path to citizenship for people here
34:46
illegally. Governor Christie has said of you,
34:48
as soon as you felt the heat, you turn tail and
34:51
run. Governor Bush has said, I don't think we
34:53
need people cutting and running anymore. Did
34:55
you fight for your own legislation, Senator,
34:57
or did you run from it? Here's the bottom line.
34:59
We can't get that legislation passed. The American
35:01
people will not support doing anything about
35:04
people that are in this country illegally until
35:06
the law is enforced first and you prove it to
35:08
them. This has been abundantly clear. Every effort
35:11
over the last 10 years to do those comprehensively
35:13
has failed. And it has failed because the American
35:15
people have zero trust that the federal government
35:18
will enforce our laws. And that's why since then
35:20
I have said repeatedly, if you are serious about
35:23
immigration reform, then the key that unlocks
35:25
the door to being able to do that is not just
35:27
to pass a law that says it's going to enforce
35:29
the law, but to actually do it. To hire the 20
35:32
,000 new border agents, to finish the fencing
35:34
and walls, to put in place mandatory e -verify,
35:37
to put in place an entry -exit tracking system
35:40
to prevent visa overstays. And once that's in
35:42
place, and that's... working, I believe the American
35:45
people will support a very reasonable but responsible
35:47
approach to people that have been here a long
35:50
time, who are not dangerous criminals, who pay
35:52
taxes and pay fines for what they did. But until
35:55
then, none of that is going to be possible. But
35:57
I'm asking, did you fight for the legislation
35:59
at the time or did you run from it? Well, the
36:01
legislation passed, but it has no support. In
36:04
essence, it couldn't pass in the House. It will
36:06
never pass in the United States until we secure
36:09
the border. And it's not the way we're going
36:10
to do it when I'm president. When I am president,
36:12
we are going to enforce the law first, prove
36:15
to people that illegal immigration is under control,
36:17
and then we'll see what the American people are
36:19
willing to support when it comes to people that
36:21
are not criminals, who have been in this country
36:23
for a long time, and who otherwise would like
36:25
to stay. Governor Christie? David, I'd just like
36:28
you to listen again, everybody. This is the difference
36:31
between... being a governor who actually has
36:33
to be responsible for problems and not answering
36:36
a question. The question was, did he fight for
36:38
his legislation? It's abundantly clear that he
36:41
didn't. It's abundantly clear that he didn't
36:46
fight for the legislation. When the teachers'
36:49
union attacked me with $20 million of ads because
36:51
I wanted to reform teacher tenure, I fought them
36:54
and fought them and fought them, and I won. When
36:57
people wanted to raise taxes in my state at Democratic
37:00
legislature and threatened to close down the
37:02
government, I told them, fine. Close down the
37:04
government. I'll get in my cars, head to the
37:06
governor's mansion, order a pizza, open a beer,
37:09
and watch the Mets. You can call me when the
37:10
government reopens. And guess what they didn't
37:13
do? They didn't pass a tax increase because I
37:15
vetoed it, and they never closed the government
37:16
because they knew I would fight for what I believed
37:19
in. The fact of the matter is a leader must fight
37:21
for what they believe in, not handicap it and
37:23
say, well, maybe since I can't win this one,
37:26
I'll run. That's not what leadership is. That's
37:28
what Congress is. Governor, thank you. Senator
37:30
Rubio. Leadership. Leadership is ultimately about
37:38
solving the problem. And the approach that was
37:41
tried and has been tried now repeatedly over
37:42
10 years to do this comprehensively all at once
37:45
in a massive piece of legislation has no chance
37:47
of passage. It is not leadership to continue
37:50
to try something that has no chance of happening.
37:53
I want to make progress on this issue. It has
37:55
been discussed now for 30 years and nothing ever
37:57
happens. And I am telling you that the only way
38:00
forward on this issue that has any chance of
38:02
happening, meaning gaining the support of the
38:04
American people, you cannot do this without the
38:06
support of the American people, is an approach
38:08
that begins... by proving that once and for all,
38:10
illegal immigration is under control. Senator
38:13
Rubio, thank you. We want to turn to health care
38:14
in this country, and for that, author and commentator
38:16
Mary Catherine Hamm tonight. Mary Catherine.
38:18
Thanks, David. Good evening, guys. Good evening.
38:22
Mr. Trump. Yes. In the Democratic primary, Hillary
38:25
Clinton has criticized Bernie Sanders' plan for
38:28
single -payer government health care, noting
38:30
it would require big, across -the -board tax
38:32
increases for Americans. In doing so, she's doubling
38:35
down on Obamacare, despite its persistent unpopularity.
38:39
Mr. Trump, you have said you want to repeal Obamacare.
38:42
You've also said, quote, everybody's got to be
38:45
covered, adding, quote, the government's going
38:48
to pay for it. Are you closer to Bernie Sanders'
38:51
vision for health care than Hillary Clinton is?
38:53
I don't think I am. I think I'm closer to common
38:54
sense. We are going to repeal Obamacare. We are
38:59
going to repeal Obamacare. We are going to replace
39:01
Obamacare with something so much better. And
39:04
there are so many examples of it. And I will
39:07
tell you, part of the reason we have some people
39:09
laughing is because you have insurance people
39:10
that take care of everybody up here. I'm a self
39:13
-funder. The only one they're not taking care
39:14
of is me. We have our lines around each state.
39:17
The insurance companies are getting rich on Obamacare.
39:20
The insurance companies are getting rich on health
39:23
care and health services and everything having
39:26
to do with health. We're going to end that. We're
39:28
going to take out the artificial boundaries,
39:30
the artificial lines. We're going to get a plan
39:32
where people compete. Free enterprise. They compete
39:34
so much better. In addition to that, you have
39:40
the health care savings plans, which are excellent.
39:43
What I do say is there will be a certain number
39:46
of people that will be on the street dying. And
39:49
as a Republican, I don't want that to happen.
39:51
We're going to take care of people that are dying
39:54
on the street because there will be a group of
39:56
people that are not going to be able to even
39:58
think in terms of private or anything else. And
40:01
we're going to take care of those people. And
40:02
I think everybody on this stage would have to
40:04
agree. You're not going to let people die sitting
40:08
in the middle of a street in any city in this
40:11
country. Senator Cruz, to that point, Mr. Trump
40:20
has said that your position on health care means
40:22
that maybe you've got, quote, No heart. There
40:26
is a question here, though, about uncovered folks.
40:29
You suggested repealing and replacing Obamacare.
40:31
As we learned with President Obama's broken promise
40:33
that everyone could keep their plan, any major
40:36
change in health care policy carries with it
40:38
the risk that some people will lose their insurance
40:40
coverage or have to change it. How do you reassure
40:43
those people that repealing and replacing Obamacare
40:45
is still in their best interest? Well, let me
40:48
take two different parts of that. Let me start
40:49
with socialized medicine. Socialized medicine
40:52
is a disaster. It does not work. If you look
40:55
at the countries that have imposed socialized
40:57
medicine, that have put the government in charge
40:59
of providing medicine, what inevitably happens
41:02
is rationing. You have a scarcity of doctors,
41:04
you have rationing, and that means the elderly
41:06
are told, we're going to ration a hip replacement,
41:09
we're going to ration a knee replacement, we're
41:11
going to ration end -of -life care. We're right
41:14
now heading into a medical system with about
41:16
a 90 ,000 doctor shortage in America. And socialized
41:20
medicine, whether proposed by the Democrats or
41:23
proposed by a Republican, would hurt the people
41:26
of this country. What should we do on health
41:28
care? If I'm elected president, we will repeal
41:31
every word of Obamacare. And once we do that...
41:36
We will adopt common sense reforms. Number one,
41:39
we'll allow people to purchase health insurance
41:41
across state lines that will drive down prices
41:44
and expand the availability of low -cost catastrophic
41:48
insurance. We'll expand health savings accounts,
41:51
and we will de -link health insurance from employment
41:54
so that you don't lose your health insurance
41:56
when you lose your job. And that way, health
41:58
insurance can be personal, portable, and affordable,
42:02
and we keep government from getting in between
42:04
us and our doctors. Dr. Carson, you have some
42:10
experience with this matter. In the past, you
42:12
have said that Obamacare should be replaced before
42:15
it's repealed. How and why? Well, thank you.
42:20
You know, I was hoping to get a chance to talk
42:22
about North Korea. I was the only one who didn't
42:24
get to do that. And I got some stuff to say about
42:26
it, let me tell you. But at any rate, you have
42:29
to replace it with something that makes sense.
42:31
It doesn't make sense. And the reason that I
42:33
dislike Obamacare is because the government comes
42:36
in and it tells the people... which the nation
42:39
is supposed to be centered on, that we don't
42:41
care what you think. This is what we're doing
42:42
if you don't like it too bad. That's a problem.
42:44
And we can't afford to do that because that will
42:47
fundamentally change America. I have proposed
42:50
a health empowerment account system. Everybody
42:52
gets a health empowerment account the day they
42:54
are born. They keep it until they die. They can
42:57
pass it on. We pay for it with the same dollars
42:59
that we pay for traditional health care with,
43:01
recognizing that we spend twice as much as many
43:04
countries. per capita on health care and don't
43:07
have as much access. We give people the ability
43:10
to shift money within their health empowerment
43:12
account so that each family basically becomes
43:16
its own insurance company without... middleman
43:19
that saves you an awful lot of money and that
43:22
will lower the cost of your catastrophic insurance
43:25
tremendously because the only thing coming out
43:27
of that is catastrophic health care and then
43:29
in terms of taking care of the indigent we have
43:32
another whole system and I I can go ahead and
43:35
explain it but I don't have the time but I'd
43:38
be happy to if you give me some more time but
43:40
go to my website Ben Carson com read about it
43:43
you can read about everything that's been discussed
43:45
here in great detail Thank you, Dr. Carson. David
43:49
and Martha, back to you. Mary Catherine, thank
43:51
you. We want to turn now to the issue of eminent
43:54
domain, which is being debated right here in
43:56
New Hampshire. And Josh McKelvin is the political
43:58
director, the anchor of WMUR -TV. Josh. Thank
44:01
you, David. And good evening, candidates. Mr.
44:04
Trump, you have said, quote, I love eminent domain,
44:06
which is the seizure of private property for
44:09
the sake of the greater good, theoretically.
44:12
You've tried to use the measure in business endeavors.
44:15
You've said you'd support its use for the Keystone
44:17
Pipeline project. Here in New Hampshire, a project,
44:19
though, known as the Northern Pass, would bring
44:22
hydroelectric power from Canada into the northeastern
44:24
grid. Do you see eminent domain as an appropriate
44:27
tool to get that project done? Well, let me just
44:30
tell you about eminent domain, because almost
44:31
all of these people, actually Chris has it, but
44:34
so many people have hit me with commercials and
44:37
other things about eminent domain. eminent domain
44:40
is an absolute necessity for a country for our
44:44
country without it you wouldn't have roads you
44:47
wouldn't have hospitals you wouldn't have anything
44:48
you wouldn't have schools you wouldn't have bridges
44:51
you need eminent domain and a lot of the big
44:54
conservatives that tell me how conservative they
44:56
are i think i'm more than they are they tell
44:57
me oh Well, they all want the Keystone Pipeline.
45:01
The Keystone Pipeline, without eminent domain,
45:03
it wouldn't go 10 feet, okay? You need eminent
45:06
domain. And eminent domain is a good thing, not
45:09
a bad thing. And what a lot of people don't know,
45:10
because they were all saying, oh, you're going
45:12
to take their property. When somebody, when eminent
45:15
domain is used on somebody's property, that person
45:18
gets a fortune. They get at least fair market
45:20
value, and if they're smart, they'll get two
45:22
or three times the value of their property. But
45:25
without eminent domain, you don't have roads,
45:27
highways, schools, bridges, or anything. So eminent
45:31
domain, it's not that I love it, but eminent
45:33
domain is absolutely, it's a necessity for...
45:37
a country. And certainly it's a necessity for
45:39
our country. So would that be yes on the Northern
45:41
Pass project? The difference between eminent
45:45
domain for public purpose, as Donald said, roads
45:49
and infrastructure, pipelines and all that, that's
45:51
for public purpose. But what Donald Trump did
45:54
was use eminent domain to try to take the property
45:57
of an elderly woman on the strip in Atlantic
46:00
City. That is not public purpose. That is downright
46:03
wrong. Here's the problem with that. Okay. The
46:07
problem was it was to tear down... Jim wants
46:09
to be a tough guy. He wants to be a tough guy
46:11
tonight. It was to tear down the house. I didn't
46:12
take the property. And the net result was you
46:15
tried. I didn't take the property. And you lost
46:17
in the court. The woman ultimately didn't want
46:18
to do that. I walked away. That is not true.
46:20
And the simple fact is to turn this into a limousine
46:23
parking lot for his casinos is not a public use.
46:26
And in Florida... based on what we did. We made
46:30
that impossible. It is part of our Constitution.
46:33
That's the better approach. That is the conservative
46:35
approach. Mr. Trump, take 30 seconds. Let me
46:37
just, you know, he wants to be a tough guy. A
46:38
lot of times, you'll have, you'll have, and it
46:41
doesn't work very well with him. How tough is
46:42
it to take away property from an elderly woman?
46:45
Let me talk. Quiet. A lot of times, a lot of
46:49
times, that's all of his donors and special interests
46:55
out there. So, that's what it is. And by the
47:01
way, let me just tell you, we needed tickets.
47:03
You can't get them. You know who has the tickets?
47:05
I'm talking about to the television audience.
47:07
Donors, special interests, the people that are
47:11
putting up the money. Who it is. The RNC told
47:15
us we have all donors in the audience. And the
47:17
reason they're not loving me, the reason they're
47:21
not, excuse me. The reason they're not loving
47:24
me is I don't want their money. I'm going to
47:25
do the right thing for the American public. I
47:28
don't want their money. I don't need their money.
47:30
And I'm the only one up here that can say that.
47:32
Eminent domain, the Keystone Pipeline, do you
47:35
consider that a private job? I consider it a
47:37
public use. No, no, let me ask you, Jeb. Do you
47:39
consider the Keystone Pipeline private? Is it
47:41
public or private? It's a public use. Oh, really?
47:43
A public use? No, it's a private job. It's a
47:46
public use. It's a private job. Established by
47:47
the courts, federal, state courts. You wouldn't
47:49
have the Keystone Pipeline that you want so badly
47:52
without eminent domain. You wouldn't have massive,
47:55
excuse me, Josh, you wouldn't have massive factories
47:57
without eminent domain. Gentlemen, we do have
48:01
to move forward. Dave Martha, back to you. Thank
48:02
you. When we come back here tonight, jobs, ISIS,
48:05
and what it means to be a conservative. And I
48:07
want to turn to Governor Kasich. Governor, while
48:10
campaigning here in New Hampshire, you were already
48:11
asked by ABC about groans from some conservatives
48:14
after your endorsements from the New York Times
48:16
and the Boston Globe. You said, quote, what conservatives
48:19
have to know is they have to say, look, isn't
48:22
it nice to have a conservative like me liked?
48:24
And maybe they ought to think about it. Because
48:26
if I get elected president, the Republican Party
48:28
and the definition of conservatism is going to
48:31
change. How would you change conservatism? Well,
48:34
first of all, look, as the New York Times said,
48:36
he's certainly not a moderate, but he can bring
48:38
people together to solve problems. And the fact
48:41
of the matter is I've cut taxes more than anybody
48:44
in the country this year. I have balanced budgets,
48:49
the federal budget, the state of Ohio budget.
48:51
We're running a $2 billion surplus. We're up
48:53
400 ,000 jobs. And in Washington, we were able
48:56
to have significant job growth whenever we balanced
48:59
the budget, of which I was the architect. But
49:01
here's the beauty of it. It's not just balancing
49:03
a budget. It's about jobs. You know, when I was
49:06
a kid growing up in a neighborhood where if Dad
49:08
went home at night and said, I lost my job today,
49:11
It just killed the family. It just was a devastating
49:15
effect. So we have to have economic growth. But
49:17
once we have economic growth, I believe we have
49:19
to reach out to people who live in the shadows.
49:21
I believe we need to help the mentally ill, the
49:23
drug addicted, the working poor. We need to help
49:26
the developmentally disabled to rise. And we
49:28
need to help our friends in the minority community
49:30
develop entrepreneurship. In other words, in
49:33
America, conservatism should mean not only that
49:36
some rise with conservative principles, But everybody
49:39
has a chance to rise, regardless of who they
49:42
are, so they can live their God -given purpose.
49:44
That's what conservatism should be. Governor
49:47
Casey, thank you. Mr. Trump, you've heard the
49:50
argument from many of the candidates on this
49:51
stage that you're not a true conservative. Tell
49:53
the voters watching tonight why you are. Well,
49:55
I think I am. And to me, I view the word conservative
49:58
as a derivative of the word conserve. We want
50:03
to conserve our money. We want to conserve our
50:06
wealth. We want to conserve. We want to be smart.
50:08
We want to be smart where we go, where we spend,
50:11
how we spend. We want to conserve our country.
50:14
We want to save our country. And we have people
50:17
that have no idea how to do that, and they're
50:20
not doing it. And it's a very important word,
50:22
and it's something I believe in very, very strongly.
50:25
Mr. Trump, thank you. Senator Rubio, you have
50:27
said yourself... that you don't think Donald
50:30
Trump is running as a conservative? Did he convince
50:32
you? Well, I think conservatism is about three
50:34
things, and Donald touched on one of them, but
50:36
it's about three things. The first is conservatism
50:39
is about limited government, especially at the
50:41
federal level. The federal government is a limited
50:44
government, limited by the Constitution, which
50:46
delineates its powers. If it's not in the Constitution,
50:49
it does not belong to the federal government.
50:51
It belongs to states, local communities, and
50:53
the private sector. It's about free enterprise,
50:55
which is an economic model that allows everyone
50:58
to rise without pulling anyone down. The reason
51:00
why free enterprise is the greatest economic
51:02
model in the history of the world is because
51:04
it's the only economic model where you can make
51:06
poor people richer without making rich people
51:09
poor. And it's about a strong national defense.
51:11
It's about believing, unlike Barack Obama, that
51:14
the world is a safer and a better place when
51:16
America is the strongest military and the strongest
51:18
nation on this planet. That's conservatism. Senator
51:21
Rubio, thank you. I want to turn this discussion...
51:25
to the economy now and mr trump governor christie
51:27
has said i tell everybody who goes to a donald
51:30
trump event if you get to ask a question just
51:32
ask him how christie said i don't care which
51:34
of the things he talks about just ask him how
51:36
you have said that you'd be the greatest jobs
51:38
president god ever created tell americans watching
51:41
tonight how many jobs you would create in the
51:43
first term And how? Well, before I go there,
51:46
I will tell you, I will bring jobs back from
51:48
China. I will bring jobs back from Japan. I will
51:51
bring jobs back from Mexico, where New Hampshire,
51:54
by the way, has been virtually wiped out. They've
51:57
lost so many businesses going to Mexico because
51:59
of horrible trade deals. And now we're about
52:02
to sign another trade deal. TPP, which is going
52:04
to be a disaster for this country because they
52:07
don't talk about monetary manipulation. It is
52:10
going to be a disaster. I'm going to bring jobs
52:12
back and I'll start bringing them back very fast.
52:15
Under my tax plan, right now, we're the highest
52:18
taxed country in the world. Under my plan, we
52:21
cut not only taxes for the middle class, but
52:24
we cut taxes for corporations. We will bring
52:26
back trillions of dollars that's offshore. Right
52:28
now, they have $2 .5 trillion. And in my opinion,
52:31
it's much more than that. That's what the government
52:33
says. All of that money is going to come back.
52:35
And we're not going to lose Pfizer, which is
52:37
now leaving, and other great companies, which
52:39
is now leaving. And they're all leaving. We have
52:41
many, many companies that are leaving this country.
52:44
We're not going to lose them anymore because
52:45
we're going to have a tax structure that is going
52:48
to keep them in our country. Mr. Trump, thank
52:51
you. There are a lot of governors on this stage
52:53
tonight, and Governor Christie, Governor Kasich
52:54
has said of you, quote, In Ohio, we have balanced
52:57
a budget. They don't have one over in New Jersey.
52:59
Our credit has been strengthened. Their credit
53:02
has been downgraded. We've got more jobs. How
53:05
important are those metrics in choosing the next
53:07
president, and is his record on jobs, I should
53:11
say, actually stronger than yours? Well, he deserves
53:13
credit for his record on jobs, and he's done
53:15
a very good job as governor of Ohio. Never say
53:17
that John hasn't. He's done a very good job.
53:21
But unfortunately, John's been so busy doing
53:23
other stuff, he's using old statistics. That's
53:25
okay. New Jersey had its best year of job growth
53:27
in the last 15 years under five different governors
53:30
this year in New Jersey. New Jersey has cut spending
53:34
over $2 .3 billion, and we have 10 ,000 fewer
53:36
employees than we had when I walked in the door.
53:39
John has a bigger government now and more employees
53:42
than he had when he walked in the door. But all
53:44
that doesn't matter. What really matters is this.
53:47
that executive experience really matters. You
53:49
heard this on the stage tonight. We've heard
53:50
it said on the stage that President Obama knows
53:52
exactly what he's doing. I'd like to ask all
53:54
the veterans listening out there tonight who
53:56
are waiting in line for health care, who are
53:58
literally dying because the Veterans Administration
54:01
doesn't work, do you think Barack Obama knows
54:03
what he's doing? I don't. And I'll tell you something,
54:05
anybody who evaluates him as knowing what he's
54:08
doing and managing the government doesn't know
54:10
how to manage a government themselves. And one
54:12
last thing, David, which I think is really important.
54:15
I listened to Senator Rubio's answer on his bill.
54:17
He said his bill couldn't pass on the Gang of
54:19
Eight. He acted as if he was somehow disembodied
54:22
from the bill. It was his bill. He said this
54:25
idea doesn't work. It was his idea. See, when
54:28
you're a governor, you have to take responsibility
54:30
for these things. You can't just act as if it
54:32
happened out of nowhere. We have to take responsibility
54:35
as executives. I take responsibility for my record
54:37
in New Jersey. We've rebuilt the economy, and
54:39
we rebuilt after the second worst natural disaster
54:41
in American history. I'm proud of my record.
54:43
And by the way, I like Kasich's record, too.
54:45
He's a good governor. Thank you, Governor Kasich.
54:48
Look, I'm not here. I like Chris. You didn't
54:53
say your record was better than his. But let
54:54
me just tell you. First of all, we have the lowest
54:57
number of state employees in 30 years. Secondly,
55:01
we have grown government at the rate of inflation.
55:04
And I went from an $8 billion hole to a $2 billion
55:07
surplus. And we've grown jobs by 400 ,000. That's
55:11
one of the fastest growing states in the country.
55:14
Our pensions are secure and our credit is rock
55:16
solid. Now, I've learned that. What makes things
55:20
work? What gets the economy going, not just in
55:23
Ohio, but in Washington? And it's three things.
55:25
Common sense regulations, which we have. Lower
55:28
taxes, which we have, the lowest taxes. tax cuts
55:31
in the country, and thirdly, a fiscal plan to
55:34
balance the budget. When you go from $8 billion
55:36
in the hole to $2 billion in the black, when
55:38
you cut taxes by $5 billion and you grow over
55:41
400 ,000 jobs, that is a record that I can take
55:45
to Washington using the same formula that I used
55:48
in Washington when I was part of the effort to
55:50
balance the budget, to give us a surplus, and
55:53
to create jobs. That's what I did, and I'll do
55:55
it again in the first 100 days. From jobs to
55:59
taxes. If you'd like to respond to the governor,
56:02
you can. I'm going to come to you next with the
56:03
question anyway. You can respond to that question.
56:06
Going from jobs to taxes. Let me respond to that
56:10
question. To the Gang of Eight bill first. Well,
56:11
here's the response. I think anyone who believes
56:14
that Barack Obama isn't doing what he's doing
56:16
on purpose doesn't understand what we're dealing
56:18
with here. This is a president. This is a president
56:21
who is trying to change this country. When he
56:23
talked about change, he wasn't talking about
56:25
dealing with our problems. Obamacare was not
56:27
an accident. The undermining of the Second Amendment
56:30
is not an accident. The gutting of our military
56:32
is not an accident. The undermining of America
56:34
on the global stage is not an accident. Barack
56:37
Obama is indeed trying to redefine this country.
56:39
We better understand what we're dealing with
56:41
here, because that's what Hillary Clinton and
56:43
Bernie Sanders want to double down on if they
56:45
are elected. The governor wasn't talking about
56:46
the president. He was talking about the gang
56:48
of eight. No, he talked about Barack Obama. But
56:49
let me ask you about taxes, Senator Rubio. A
56:51
recent poll, 68 % of Americans favor raising
56:54
taxes on people making more than a million a
56:56
year. Are they wrong? I don't know of any problem
57:00
in America that's going to be fixed with a tax
57:01
increase. We have an economy today, an economy
57:04
today that is not creating jobs that pay enough.
57:07
And one of the reasons why is because we have
57:09
one of the most expensive business tax rates
57:11
on the planet. Our combined business tax rate
57:14
puts us among the highest in the industrialized
57:16
world. And then on top of that, we are the only
57:18
one that has a worldwide system of taxation.
57:21
where an American company who makes money abroad
57:23
has to pay taxes where they made the money and
57:25
then taxes a second time when they bring it back.
57:28
The combination of these two things has stranded
57:30
over $2 trillion, the equivalent of the size
57:33
of the Russian economy. $2 trillion of American
57:36
corporate money stranded overseas combined with
57:39
all of these inversions of companies leaving
57:41
us. The solution to the problems we have today
57:43
are not a tax increase. It is to lower our taxes
57:46
on both people and on companies so that we can
57:49
make America globally competitive. again. Senator
57:51
Rubio, thank you. I want to bring in Governor
57:53
Bush. And Governor, I just want to repeat that
57:56
number for you. 68 % of Americans favor raising
57:59
taxes on people making more than a million. What
58:01
would you say to the people who believe that
58:03
tonight? I'd like to see more millionaires. I
58:05
think we need to grow more millionaires. We need
58:06
to create a prosperity society where people can
58:09
rise up. This notion that somehow we're undertaxed
58:12
as a nation is just foolhardy when we have...
58:16
entitlements growing far faster than our ability
58:18
to pay for it. A conservative, because that's
58:20
the point of this, believes in limited government,
58:23
believes in entrepreneurial capitalism and a
58:25
strong national defense. But it also has to be,
58:27
we need to reform things. In my town hall meetings,
58:29
I went to a place where a woman described her
58:32
neighbor who has a better economic deal by not
58:36
working than her struggling to make ends meet.
58:39
We need to be on the side of working people.
58:42
And the problem with the left is another tax.
58:45
Another regulation, another mandate makes it
58:47
harder for them to rise up. Everything that we
58:50
should do should be focused on high sustained
58:52
economic growth, where the middle class gets
58:54
a raise for the first time, and where people
58:56
are rewarded for work rather than non -work.
58:58
And I know how to do this. And if people are
59:00
interested in the specifics of this, they ought
59:02
to go to Jeb2016 .com. I knew that was coming.
59:05
Hey, David. Thank you. David. Hey, David. I actually
59:09
have experience with raising taxes on millionaires
59:11
in my state. It was done. It was done by my predecessor.
59:14
And I want everybody in the public who isn't
59:15
at 68%, I want to tell you the truth. You're
59:18
wrong. And here's why you're wrong. After New
59:20
Jersey raised taxes on millionaires, We lost,
59:24
in the next four years, $70 billion in wealth
59:28
left our state. It left our state to go where
59:31
it would be treated more kindly. If the United
59:34
States raised taxes any further, that money will
59:37
leave the United States as well. We won't have
59:40
better jobs. Let New Jersey be the canary in
59:42
the coal mine. It is a failed idea and a failed
59:45
policy. It's class warfare. It happened in my
59:47
state. I've stopped it from happening again.
59:50
But we cannot do it. The 68 % of the people are.
59:52
wrong about that. It will hurt the American economy.
59:55
We tried it in New Jersey. Come take a look.
59:57
It did not work. Senator Cruz, you advocate what
1:00:03
you call carpet bombing or saturation bombing
1:00:06
to defeat ISIS, citing the more than 1 ,100 air
1:00:11
attacks a day the U .S. carried out during the
1:00:13
first Gulf War in 1991. Explain how a strategy
1:00:18
to defeat a standing army would work against
1:00:21
an unconventional terrorist group that is now
1:00:24
hiding amongst the population. Well, sure, it
1:00:27
starts with a commander -in -chief that sets
1:00:29
the objective. And the objective has to be utterly
1:00:32
and completely destroying ISIS. Obama hasn't
1:00:34
started with that objective, and everything else
1:00:37
flows from there. Once you set that objective,
1:00:39
we have the tools to carry that out. The first
1:00:41
tool is overwhelming air power. It is one of
1:00:44
the blessings of the United States of America
1:00:47
having the greatest military in the face of the
1:00:49
earth, is we have the ability to use that air
1:00:52
power. As you noted, the first Persian Gulf War,
1:00:54
it was 1 ,100 air attacks a day. Obama is launching
1:00:58
between 15 and 30. Now, when I say saturation
1:01:01
carpet bombing, that's not indiscriminate. That
1:01:03
is targeted at oil facilities. It's targeted
1:01:06
at the oil tankers. It's targeted at command
1:01:08
and control locations. It's targeted at infrastructure.
1:01:11
It's targeted at communications. It's targeted
1:01:13
at bombing all of the roads and bridges going
1:01:15
in and out of Raqqa. It's using overwhelming
1:01:17
air power. You know, a couple of weeks ago, it
1:01:20
was reported that a facility is open called Jihadist
1:01:24
University. Now the question I wonder, why is
1:01:27
that building still standing? It should be rubble.
1:01:30
And if you had a president, although I will say
1:01:32
this, I would be willing to wait until freshman
1:01:35
orientation before launching those bombs. Senator
1:01:38
Cruz, would you like to expand or loosen the
1:01:41
rules of engagement? I was just over in a command
1:01:44
center in Erbil, and they said they thought the
1:01:46
rules of engagement worked. Because you have
1:01:49
so many civilians in those populated areas, they
1:01:53
don't want to hit civilians. Martha, I will tell
1:01:56
you, I have visited with active duty military,
1:01:58
with veterans over and over and over again in
1:02:00
town halls all over the state of New Hampshire.
1:02:03
What we are doing to our sons and daughters,
1:02:05
it is immoral. We are sending them into fight
1:02:08
with their arms tied behind their back. They
1:02:10
cannot defend themselves, and it is wrong. And
1:02:14
I will tell you this. Look, America has always
1:02:16
been reluctant to use military force. It's the
1:02:18
last step we take. But if and when we use it,
1:02:22
when it comes to defeating ISIS, we should use
1:02:24
it. We should use overwhelming force, kill the
1:02:27
enemy, and then get the heck out. Don't engage
1:02:30
in nation building, but instead allow our soldiers
1:02:33
to do their jobs instead of risking their lives
1:02:36
with politicians making it impossible for them
1:02:38
to accomplish the objective. So loosen the rules
1:02:40
of engagement. Absolutely, yes. Senator Rubio,
1:02:44
you said in the last debate that ISIS is the
1:02:47
most dangerous jihadist group in the history
1:02:50
of mankind and that it will take overwhelming
1:02:52
U .S. force to defeat them. Can you specifically
1:02:56
tell us what you mean by overwhelming force?
1:02:59
First, we need to understand who they are. ISIS
1:03:01
is not just a jihadist group. They're an apocalyptic
1:03:03
group. They want to trigger a showdown in a city
1:03:06
named Dabiq between the West and themselves,
1:03:08
which they believe will trigger the arrival of
1:03:10
their messianic figure. And I'm not saying that's
1:03:12
what's going to happen. The reason why it's important
1:03:14
to understand that is because these are not groups
1:03:16
that are just going to go away on their own.
1:03:18
They are going to have to be defeated. And I
1:03:20
believe they need to be defeated on the ground
1:03:22
by a ground force made up primarily of Sunni
1:03:24
Arabs. It will take Sunni Arabs to reject them
1:03:27
ideologically and defeat them militarily. That
1:03:30
will require a coalition of Iraqis and Syrians
1:03:32
that are also Sunnis, but it will also require
1:03:34
the cooperation of Jordanians, Egyptians. We
1:03:37
should ask more of the Saudis. That will need
1:03:39
to be backed up. with more U .S. special operation
1:03:42
forces alongside them. And it will have to be
1:03:44
backed up with increased airstrikes. And we're
1:03:46
going to have to strike them, not just in Iraq
1:03:48
and in Syria, but in every other part of the
1:03:50
world where they've now created hubs of operation.
1:03:52
They have affiliates in over a dozen countries
1:03:54
across this planet. They have a sophisticated
1:03:56
network of radicalizing people here in the homeland
1:04:00
and around the world. But it all begins by taking
1:04:03
away their safe operating spaces with a ground
1:04:05
force that a U .S.-led coalition takes on. Again,
1:04:11
Senator Rubio, you've already said ISIS is the
1:04:15
most dangerous jihadist group in the history
1:04:18
of mankind. So that would make it more dangerous
1:04:21
than al -Qaeda, the insurgents we fought in Iraq.
1:04:24
We committed hundreds of thousands of U .S. troops
1:04:27
to fight those groups. So if ISIS is the most
1:04:30
dangerous group in history, why not commit a
1:04:34
large U .S. ground force? Because they currently
1:04:36
occupy Sunni cities and villages. Sunni cities
1:04:39
and villages can only truly be liberated and
1:04:41
held by Sunnis themselves. If they are held by
1:04:44
Shia, it will trigger sectarian violence. The
1:04:47
Kurds are incredible fighters, and they will
1:04:49
liberate the Kurdish areas, but Kurds cannot
1:04:51
and do not want to liberate and hold Sunni villages
1:04:54
and towns. It will take Sunni fighters themselves
1:04:56
in that region to take those villages and cities
1:04:59
and then to hold them and avoid the sort of sectarian
1:05:02
violence that follows in the past. And why that
1:05:05
is important is because if Sunnis are not able
1:05:07
to govern themselves in these areas, you are
1:05:09
going to have a successor group to ISIS. ISIS
1:05:12
is a successor group of al -Qaeda. In fact, they
1:05:15
broke away from Al Qaeda because as horrible
1:05:16
as Al Qaeda is, ISIS thought Al Qaeda was not
1:05:19
radical enough. This is who we're dealing with
1:05:21
and they have more money than Al Qaeda ever had.
1:05:24
What would you do differently to try to get those
1:05:28
Sunni forces? They have not been coming forward.
1:05:31
Well, the problem with the Sunni forces in the
1:05:33
region is they don't trust this administration.
1:05:35
This administration cut a deal with their mortal
1:05:37
enemies, the Shia, in Iran. It poisoned the well
1:05:40
with these countries. It makes it very difficult
1:05:42
to cooperate with them as a result. They also,
1:05:44
by the way, understand what real U .S. air power
1:05:46
looks like. They saw the Iraq war. They saw up
1:05:50
close Opsal, Afghanistan. They know what air
1:05:52
power looks like when the United States is committed
1:05:54
to the cause. And they see the airstrikes that
1:05:56
are being conducted now, and they say to themselves,
1:05:59
that's not real commitment. We know what real
1:06:01
commitment looks like. The Georgianian king was
1:06:03
in Washington three weeks ago. He told everyone
1:06:06
who would listen that they have begged for permission
1:06:08
from the coalition to target caravans. And the
1:06:11
coalition, meaning U .S. leadership on the ground,
1:06:13
would not allow them to proceed with those airstrikes.
1:06:16
Mr. Trump, thank you very much, Senator Rubio.
1:06:18
Mr. Trump, you have said you will vigorously
1:06:25
bomb ISIS. You've said we've got to get rid of
1:06:28
ISIS quickly, quickly. How would you get rid
1:06:30
of them so quickly? And please give us specifics.
1:06:33
Well, four years ago, I said bomb the oil and
1:06:36
take the oil. And if we did that, they wouldn't
1:06:39
have the wealth they have right now. Now I still
1:06:41
say the same thing because we're doing little
1:06:43
pinpricks. We're not even bombing if somebody's
1:06:46
driving a truck. They give notice to the person
1:06:49
driving the truck, we're going to bomb. If they
1:06:51
don't get out of the truck, the truck sails away
1:06:53
with the oil. We actually have a case where we
1:06:55
don't want to bomb the oil because we don't want
1:06:57
to hurt, pollute the atmosphere. Can you imagine
1:07:01
General Douglas MacArthur or General Patton saying
1:07:04
we can't bomb because we're going to hurt the
1:07:05
atmosphere? You have to knock the hell out of
1:07:08
the oil. You have to take the oil. And you also
1:07:10
have back channels of banking. You have people
1:07:12
that you think are our great allies, our friends
1:07:15
in the Middle East. that are paying tremendous
1:07:18
amounts of money to ISIS. So we have to stop
1:07:23
those circuits. Nobody knows banking better than
1:07:25
I do. They have back circuits, back channels.
1:07:28
Tremendous amounts of money is coming in through
1:07:30
the banking system. So between the oil and the
1:07:33
banking, you will dry them up. But it should
1:07:36
have been done four years ago, not now. And what
1:07:38
would you do in those cities where there are
1:07:40
people who we are trying to help, who ISIS is
1:07:43
essentially holding hostage? You have to go in.
1:07:46
First of all, when you take away their money,
1:07:47
when you take away their wealth, that'll very
1:07:49
much weaken. And it'll happen fairly fast. They'll
1:07:52
last for about a year based on all of the wealth
1:07:54
they've accumulated. But when you stop the banking
1:07:57
channels and when you stop the oil and take the
1:08:00
oil, not just bomb it, take it. When you do that.
1:08:04
It's going to dry up very quickly. They're going
1:08:06
to become a very weakened power quickly. Thank
1:08:09
you very much, Mr. Trump. Let's turn to Libya.
1:08:14
Governor Bush, it is a country in chaos. There
1:08:17
is no government. This week, defense officials
1:08:19
said there are now 5 ,000 ISIS fighters there,
1:08:23
roughly doubling previous estimates. We know
1:08:26
you and others have been critical of the administration's
1:08:29
handling of Libya after the initial airstrikes
1:08:32
that you supported. But this is a problem you
1:08:35
would stand to inherit if you're the next president.
1:08:38
Reports this week said the administration is
1:08:40
considering new airstrikes, possible special...
1:08:43
operations raids, would you support renewed airstrikes
1:08:47
or any U .S. involvement on the ground? I would.
1:08:50
And I would do it in concert, again, with our
1:08:52
Arab allies and with Europe, most particularly
1:08:55
in this case. This is the lesson learned in history.
1:08:58
If you bomb something and not do anything as
1:09:01
it relates to deal with the aftermath of this,
1:09:03
if you don't have a stable government, you get
1:09:06
what we have in Libya. And this is not leading
1:09:09
from behind. It's not an effective policy. We
1:09:11
have to lead. Without the United States, nothing
1:09:13
seems to work. Europe doesn't have the ability
1:09:16
to lead, forward lean in this regard. And so
1:09:19
dealing with the caliphate is important because
1:09:22
it now has spawned other areas. There have been
1:09:24
70 -plus attacks in 17 countries, either inspired
1:09:28
by ISIS or organized by ISIS, Libya being the
1:09:31
most important one now. We have to deal with
1:09:33
the caliphate with building a Sunni army there,
1:09:36
but we also have to deal with it in Libya. And
1:09:38
I think the United States ultimately is going
1:09:40
to play a significant role in this. The problem
1:09:42
with the Obama administration is that they see
1:09:45
this incrementally. They're reluctant. They don't
1:09:48
lead. No one knows whether we're serious. And
1:09:50
when we do it, we do it in increments they can
1:09:52
barely see. The United States has to lead in
1:09:54
a much more aggressive way than we're doing right
1:09:55
now. Thank you very much, Governor Bush. Dr.
1:10:00
Carson. I want to say something about this because
1:10:04
I'm not here just to add beauty to the stage.
1:10:08
You know, I've been talking about Libya for quite
1:10:10
a long time. I think I was the first one to start
1:10:13
talking about it because I say we have to have
1:10:15
a proactive foreign policy strategy. And, of
1:10:20
course, the next place that ISIS is going to
1:10:22
attack to is Libya. If you want to expand your
1:10:26
caliphate and increase your influence, then you're
1:10:28
going to go to a place that's strategically located.
1:10:31
You go north across the Mediterranean, you're
1:10:34
into southern Europe. You go south, you're into
1:10:36
Chad and Sudan and Niger, not to mention the
1:10:40
fact that you have much more oil than you do
1:10:42
in Iraq. That's the kind of place that they're
1:10:44
going to go to. We need to be thinking about
1:10:48
how do we prevent them from tacking over there.
1:10:51
They're already sending their fighters there.
1:10:53
We need to be consulting with our military experts
1:10:56
and asking them what do they need in order to
1:10:59
prevent ISIS from being able to take over Libya.
1:11:02
That's going to have enormous consequences. And
1:11:04
would you support renewed airstrikes? I would
1:11:08
support the possibility of renewed airstrikes
1:11:10
if, in conjunction with our Joint Chiefs and
1:11:13
our military people, they felt that that was
1:11:16
an appropriate strategy. The fact of the matter
1:11:18
is none of us up here is a military expert. And
1:11:22
we sometimes act like we are, but we're not.
1:11:24
And if we actually sit down and talk with them
1:11:27
and get them to understand our plan and get their...
1:11:32
impression of what needs to be done, I think
1:11:34
we're going to make a lot more progress. We're
1:11:36
going to move on. Martha, thank you. We're going
1:11:38
to stay on ISIS here and the war on terror because,
1:11:40
as you know, there's been a debate in this country
1:11:42
about how to deal with the enemy and about enhanced
1:11:44
interrogation techniques ever since 9 -11. So,
1:11:46
Senator Cruz, you have said, quote, torture is
1:11:49
wrong, unambiguously, period. Civilized nations
1:11:52
do not engage in torture. Some of the other candidates
1:11:54
say they don't think waterboarding is torture.
1:11:57
Mr. Trump has said, I would bring it back. Senator
1:12:00
Cruz, is waterboarding torture? Well, under the
1:12:03
definition of torture, no, it's not. Under the
1:12:05
law, torture is excruciating pain that is equivalent
1:12:09
to losing organs and systems. So under the definition
1:12:13
of torture, it is not. It is enhanced interrogation.
1:12:16
It is vigorous interrogation, but it does not
1:12:18
meet the generally recognized definition of torture.
1:12:22
If elected president, would you bring it back?
1:12:25
I would not bring it back in any sort of widespread
1:12:28
use. And indeed, I joined with Senator McCain
1:12:35
in legislation that would prohibit line officers
1:12:39
from employing it because I think bad things
1:12:42
happen when enhanced interrogation is employed
1:12:45
at lower levels. But when it comes to keeping
1:12:47
this country safe... The commander -in -chief
1:12:50
has inherent constitutional authority to keep
1:12:53
this country safe. And so if it were necessary
1:12:56
to, say, prevent a city from facing an imminent
1:12:59
terrorist attack, you can rest assured that as
1:13:02
commander -in -chief, I would use whatever enhanced
1:13:04
interrogation methods we could to keep this country
1:13:08
safe. Senator Cruz, thank you. Mr. Trump, you
1:13:10
said not only does it work, but that you'd bring
1:13:11
it back. Well, I'll tell you what. In the Middle
1:13:14
East, we have people chopping the heads off Christians.
1:13:19
We have people chopping the heads off many other
1:13:22
people. We have things that we have never seen
1:13:26
before as a group. We have never seen before
1:13:28
what's happening right now. The medieval times,
1:13:32
I mean, we studied medieval times. Not since
1:13:35
medieval times have people seen what's going
1:13:36
on. I would bring back waterboarding, and I'd
1:13:40
bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.
1:13:43
Mr. Trump, thank you. Governor Bush, you have
1:13:46
said that you won't rule waterboarding out. Congress
1:13:49
has passed laws banning the use of waterboarding
1:13:51
by the military and the CIA, as you know. Would
1:13:54
you want Congress to change that if you're elected
1:13:56
president? No, no, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't.
1:13:57
And it was used sparingly. Congress has changed
1:14:01
the laws, and I think where we stand is the appropriate
1:14:03
place. But what we need to do is to make sure
1:14:06
that we expand our intelligence capabilities.
1:14:09
The idea that we're going to solve this fight
1:14:11
with predator drones, killing people somehow
1:14:14
is more acceptable than capturing them, securing
1:14:18
the information. This is why closing Guantanamo
1:14:21
is a complete disaster. What we need to do is
1:14:23
make sure that we are kept safe by having intelligence
1:14:26
capabilities, both human and technological intelligence
1:14:29
capabilities, far superior than what we have
1:14:31
today. That's how you get a more safe place,
1:14:34
is by making sure that we're fully engaged. And
1:14:37
right now, this administration doesn't do that.
1:14:39
Governor Bush, thank you. Senator Rubio, I do
1:14:41
want to ask you, you have said that you do not
1:14:44
want to telegraph to the enemy what you would
1:14:46
do as commander -in -chief. But for the American
1:14:48
people watching tonight who want to know where
1:14:50
the next president will stand, do you believe
1:14:52
waterboarding is torture? When people talk about
1:14:56
interrogating terrorists, they're acting like
1:14:57
this is some sort of law enforcement function.
1:14:59
Law enforcement is about gathering evidence to
1:15:02
take someone to trial and convict them. Anti
1:15:04
-terrorism is about finding out information to
1:15:06
prevent a future attack. So the same tactics
1:15:09
do not apply. And it is true we should not be
1:15:11
discussing in a widespread way the exact tactics
1:15:14
that we're going to use because it allows terrorists
1:15:17
and others to practice how to evade us. But here's
1:15:19
the bigger part. problem with all this. We're
1:15:21
not interrogating anybody right now. Guantanamo
1:15:24
is being emptied by this president. We should
1:15:26
be putting people into Guantanamo, not emptying
1:15:28
it out. And we shouldn't be releasing these killers
1:15:30
who are rejoining the battlefield against the
1:15:32
United States. Senator Rubio, thank you. We want
1:15:35
to turn now to the topic of executive orders.
1:15:37
And for that, we're going to turn back to Mary
1:15:39
Catherine Hamm. Mary Catherine. Thanks, David.
1:15:40
Elected president, you say you'd end Common Core
1:15:43
immediately, abolish the IRS, and do away with
1:15:46
sanctuary cities. You've also been a persistent
1:15:48
critic of President Obama's executive overreach,
1:15:51
going it alone, not working with Congress. How
1:15:54
do you intend to implement this aggressive agenda
1:15:56
within your constitutional authority, especially
1:15:59
given that it would require working with Congress
1:16:01
and Washington players with whom you're happy
1:16:03
to say you have a strained relationship? Well,
1:16:06
thank you for that question. You know, there
1:16:08
are three avenues of presidential authority to
1:16:10
change the direction of this country. The first
1:16:12
is executive power. The second is foreign policy.
1:16:16
And the third is legislation. Executive power,
1:16:19
as we all know, has been the preferred vehicle
1:16:21
of President Obama abusing his authority, abusing
1:16:24
his constitutional authority. Now, the silver
1:16:26
lining of that is everything done with executive
1:16:30
power can be undone with executive power. So
1:16:33
I have pledged on day one I will rescind every
1:16:37
single illegal and unconstitutional executive
1:16:40
action Barack Obama has done. That means on day
1:16:43
one, his efforts to restrict the Second Amendment
1:16:46
go away with a strike of a pen. That means on
1:16:49
day one, his illegal executive amnesty goes away
1:16:51
with a strike of a pen. The reason I can end
1:16:54
Common Core at the federal level is because Obama
1:16:56
is abusing executive power, using race to the
1:17:00
top funds in the Department of Education to force
1:17:02
it on the states. That's one avenue. The second
1:17:05
avenue of change is foreign policy. And foreign
1:17:09
policy can change the fastest. It's worth remembering
1:17:12
that Iran released our hostages the day Reagan
1:17:16
was sworn in. And then the third is legislation,
1:17:18
and that can only be done with the people behind
1:17:21
you, which is why the two big legislative initiatives
1:17:24
I'm campaigning on are repealing Obamacare and
1:17:27
adopting a simple flat tax to abolish the IRS.
1:17:34
Mr. Trump, if Senator Cruz is known for opposing
1:17:37
deals, you literally wrote the book on making
1:17:40
them. Senator Cruz has mentioned that on the
1:17:43
trail. What would you say to those conservatives
1:17:45
who are concerned that a dealmaker will just
1:17:47
perpetuate the same deals in Washington and the
1:17:51
way that things run now? How do you disturb that?
1:17:53
No, a good dealmaker will make great deals, but
1:17:56
will do it the way our founders thought it should
1:17:58
be done. People get together, they make deals.
1:18:01
Ronald Reagan did it with Tip O 'Neill very successfully.
1:18:04
You didn't hear so much about executive orders
1:18:06
if you heard about it at all. You have to be
1:18:09
able to get a consensus. Now, the real person,
1:18:13
like it was mentioned about the deal with Iran.
1:18:16
How bad a deal is that? It doesn't get any more
1:18:20
amateurs than that. A good dealmaker would never
1:18:22
make a deal like that. With Congress, you have
1:18:25
to get everybody in a room, and you have to get
1:18:27
them to agree. But you have to get them to agree
1:18:29
what you want, and that's part of being a dealmaker.
1:18:32
You can't leave the White House, go to Hawaii
1:18:35
and play golf for three weeks and be a real dealmaker.
1:18:37
It doesn't work that way. You have to get people
1:18:40
in, grab them, hug them, kiss them, and get the
1:18:43
deal done. But it's got to be... the deal that
1:18:45
you want. Governor Kasich, is the problem with
1:18:53
Washington that there are too many deals or too
1:18:56
few? Well, right now the deals are, there's no
1:18:58
leadership. I mean, a lot of the things that
1:19:00
we're talking about here tonight, you know, on
1:19:02
the border and so many of the things, you know,
1:19:05
what we should be doing on foreign policy. You
1:19:07
know what the problem is, Mary Catherine, is
1:19:09
there's not a leader that gets somebody to rise
1:19:11
up. You have to have a leader that can inspire.
1:19:14
I mean, actually, some of what Donald was saying
1:19:16
is true. Look, you know how hard it was to get
1:19:19
the federal budget balanced? You have to plead
1:19:22
with people. To do what we've done in Ohio, you
1:19:25
have to plead with people. Then you go back down
1:19:27
to Washington and do the same thing. You see,
1:19:29
we have to remind people we're Americans. Before
1:19:32
were Republicans and Democrats. And when we wait
1:19:36
and when we delay, what we end up doing, Mary
1:19:38
Catherine, is we make the United States weaker.
1:19:41
In fact, it's a foreign policy issue because
1:19:43
people look at America not solving problems and
1:19:45
they say, what are they doing over there? So
1:19:48
the point is you have to work with people. The
1:19:50
problem with executive authority for the president,
1:19:53
it's really bad news for this reason. Since he's
1:19:56
given up on working with Congress, he thinks
1:19:58
he can impose anything he wants. He's not a king.
1:20:02
He's a president. An executive order should be
1:20:04
used, frankly, in consolidation and with consulting
1:20:08
with the leadership in the Congress. I've done
1:20:11
it in Ohio. I consult. I can use executive orders,
1:20:14
but I don't trump the legislature because if
1:20:16
you do, you aggravate them, you anger them, and
1:20:20
then the long -term prospects get bleak. We have
1:20:22
to solve problems in America by coming together,
1:20:25
Republicans and Democrats, Americans first, party
1:20:28
and ideology. second in the second backseat of
1:20:32
this country that's what we need to do and we
1:20:37
can do it and we can do it this is a this is
1:20:40
an important subject i agree with everything
1:20:42
that's been said here about repealing unconstitutional
1:20:44
rules and rules that are creating real burdens
1:20:47
for investing that creates jobs but we also ought
1:20:50
to get back to being a 10th amendment country
1:20:52
country as well a country that respects the states
1:20:55
to be able to make more decisions and in the
1:20:57
bush administration We would shift transportation
1:21:00
dollars back to the states. I trust Kasich and
1:21:03
Christie to build the roads and the infrastructure
1:21:05
of their states than Washington, D .C. EPA, delegated
1:21:09
authority, back to the states. Education dollars,
1:21:12
back to the states. I would like to see reform
1:21:14
take place all across the country where there's
1:21:16
more vouchers, more freedom. If we did that...
1:21:20
We would shrink government's power in Washington,
1:21:22
D .C., and we would have a much more effective
1:21:25
government where people would begin to trust
1:21:26
our government again because now no one believes
1:21:28
it works. You must have an agenda that you are
1:21:34
ready to move on in the first hundred days. Jeb
1:21:37
is right. If you delay and you wait, the Washington
1:21:40
operators will take you down. I can tell you
1:21:44
this. In the first 100 days, I will have legislation
1:21:46
to freeze federal regulations, have them reviewed
1:21:48
by the vice president, reduce state taxes on
1:21:51
individuals, reduce taxes on corporations, have
1:21:54
a fiscal plan to balance the budget, get the
1:21:56
border protected, and begin to fix Social Security
1:21:59
in the first 100 days. So anybody who's here
1:22:01
tonight... If I get elected president, head out
1:22:04
tomorrow and buy a seatbelt, because there's
1:22:06
going to be so much happening in the first hundred
1:22:08
days, it's going to make your head spin, and
1:22:10
we're going to move America forward. I promise
1:22:12
you, we're going to move us forward. He mentioned
1:22:16
me. He mentioned me. One other thing that I think
1:22:20
we ought to do, along with repealing Obamacare,
1:22:23
we need to shift all this power of health care,
1:22:25
which is the most egregious form of federal power
1:22:28
that is suppressing wages and income. And allow
1:22:31
governors to have the Medicaid plans so that
1:22:33
they can create 21st century Medicaid insurance
1:22:36
for people that are stuck in poverty. There's
1:22:38
so much that could be done, but I don't trust
1:22:41
Washington to do it. I trust the state capitals
1:22:43
to be the place to be the source of innovation
1:22:45
and reform in this country. Thank you, Governor.
1:22:48
Thank you, Governor. Mark and David, back to
1:22:50
you. Mary Catherine, thank you. We want to turn
1:22:53
to something the Governor of New Hampshire said.
1:22:57
Look, Jeb mentioned me. It's time for me to go
1:23:00
again. I didn't mention him the second time.
1:23:04
He says he didn't mention me the second time.
1:23:06
I thought I heard it, Jeb. No, I'm just kidding.
1:23:08
Thank you all very much for listening and being
1:23:10
patient with all of us tonight. Thank you. A
1:23:12
connection here on the stage. We're going to
1:23:15
move on to what the governor of New Hampshire
1:23:16
said just this week, and that is that heroin
1:23:19
overdose is now the second leading cause of death
1:23:21
in this state. You don't need me to tell you
1:23:23
that. But there's another number. Forty -eight
1:23:25
percent of the people here in this state know
1:23:27
someone who has abused heroin. Josh, who covers
1:23:30
this for WMUR, has the next question. You're
1:23:32
all aware, candidates, that this is a major problem
1:23:34
here in New Hampshire. It's a very deadly problem
1:23:36
as well. Last month, New Hampshire Senators Kelly
1:23:38
Ayotte, Republican, and Jeanne Shaheen, Democrat,
1:23:40
they went down to Washington along with the police
1:23:42
chief for the state's largest city to testify
1:23:44
before the Judiciary Committee in D .C. Senator
1:23:48
Cruz, you're a member of that committee. Your
1:23:50
campaign schedule didn't allow you to attend
1:23:51
this. Even so, the police chief called your absence
1:23:54
outrageous, given the severity of the problem.
1:23:59
You told a personal story of a close family member's
1:24:01
struggle with addiction. What can you say to
1:24:03
law enforcement right now to convince them that
1:24:07
you understand the severity of this problem and
1:24:09
you're not just saying what people want to hear
1:24:11
days before the primary? Well, Josh, as you noted,
1:24:15
this is a problem that, for me, I understand
1:24:17
firsthand. My older sister, Miriam, who was my
1:24:21
half -sister, struggled her whole life with drug
1:24:24
and alcohol addiction. my father and her mom
1:24:27
divorced when she was a little girl, and she
1:24:29
was angry her whole life. And she ended up marrying
1:24:32
a man who'd been in and out of jail. She then
1:24:35
became a single mom, and she herself went to
1:24:38
jail several times, and she ended up spending
1:24:41
some time in a crack house. I still remember
1:24:46
my father and me driving up to get Miriam out
1:24:48
of that crack house to try to convince her she
1:24:50
needed to be a mom to my nephew Joey. She wasn't
1:24:56
willing to listen. She was not willing to change
1:24:58
the past she was on. She was angry. I had just
1:25:02
gotten my first job coming out of law school.
1:25:04
I took a $20 ,000 loan on a credit card to put
1:25:09
my nephew Joey in Valley Forge Military Academy.
1:25:11
He was in sixth grade at the time to pay his
1:25:13
way through that. And about five, six years ago,
1:25:18
Miriam died of an overdose. It was the coroner
1:25:21
ruled it accidental. We don't know. She went
1:25:23
to sleep one night. had taken too many pills
1:25:26
and Joey walked in and found her dead. This is
1:25:29
an absolute epidemic. We need leadership to solve
1:25:32
it. Solving it has to occur at the state and
1:25:37
local level with programs like AA and counseling
1:25:40
and churches and charities. But it also has to
1:25:42
occur securing the borders because you've got
1:25:44
Mexican cartels that are smuggling vast amounts
1:25:47
of heroin into this country. We know how to secure
1:25:50
the borders. What is missing is the political
1:25:53
will to do it. And as president, I will secure
1:25:56
the border. We will end this deluge of drugs
1:25:59
that is flowing over our southern border and
1:26:01
that is killing Americans across this country.
1:26:03
Governor Christie, you've talked a lot about
1:26:05
this issue here in New Hampshire, state reforms,
1:26:08
criminal justice reforms, access to treatment.
1:26:10
To Senator Cruz's point, let's take it a step
1:26:13
further. Would you be willing to engage in cross
1:26:15
-border enforcement into Mexico, the place where
1:26:18
law enforcement here in New Hampshire has traced
1:26:20
a lot of this supply back to? Would you engage
1:26:23
in cross -border enforcement without the cooperation
1:26:25
of the Mexican government? Of course I would.
1:26:27
As a former United States attorney who spent
1:26:29
seven years of my life fighting this on the streets
1:26:32
of my state, I would do that. But we need to
1:26:34
do more, and let me tell you what we've done
1:26:35
in New Jersey, Josh. We're working with the folks
1:26:37
in New Hampshire and their legislature right
1:26:38
now to show them how we're helping to solve this
1:26:41
problem in New Jersey. Not just for this campaign.
1:26:43
Three years ago... I proposed a law that we signed
1:26:46
into effect, which said that anyone who is a
1:26:49
nonviolent, non -dealing, first -time drug offender
1:26:52
no longer goes to prison in New Jersey. They
1:26:54
go to mandatory inpatient drug treatment. What's
1:26:57
happened is crime has gone down 20 % in those
1:26:59
three years. The prison population has gone down
1:27:01
10%. We've now closed the state prison, closed
1:27:04
the state prison, and we're turning it into a
1:27:06
drug rehabilitation facility so people can get
1:27:08
the tools they need. Listen, everyone out there
1:27:10
knows this in New Hampshire. This is a disease.
1:27:13
It's not a moral failing. It's a disease, and
1:27:15
we need to give people the treatment they need.
1:27:17
And let me tell you why, because I'm pro -life.
1:27:19
And I'm pro -life not just for the nine months
1:27:21
in the womb. I'm pro -life for when they get
1:27:23
out, and it's a lot more complicated. Sixteen
1:27:26
-year -old. Heroin -addicted drug girl on the
1:27:29
floor of the county lockup. I'm pro -life for
1:27:31
her life. The 42 -year -old lawyer who's taking
1:27:34
Oxycontin and can't get out of bed and support
1:27:36
his family. I'm pro -life for his life. Every
1:27:38
one of those lives is an individual gift from
1:27:40
God. And the last thing is this. These efforts
1:27:43
we've taken over the last three years, 2015 in
1:27:46
New Jersey, for the first time in four years,
1:27:48
drug overdose deaths have gone down, not up.
1:27:51
I'll bring the same solutions to the country.
1:27:54
Governor Christie, thank you very much. Dave
1:27:56
Martha, back to you. Thank you, Governor Christie.
1:28:00
Thank you, Josh. Our partner in this debate,
1:28:03
the Independent Journal -Review, has collected
1:28:05
questions from some prominent conservatives around
1:28:09
the country. Here's a videotaped question from
1:28:11
radio host Larry O 'Connor. In 2008, we saw how
1:28:15
motivated an electorate can be when they think
1:28:17
their vote is making history. Let's face it,
1:28:19
if Hillary Clinton is the nominee for the Democrats,
1:28:21
you'll be running against the prospect of the
1:28:23
first woman president. How will you change that
1:28:25
narrative and motivate the electorate behind
1:28:27
your candidacy? Mr. Trump, I'm going to give
1:28:31
that question to you. You took it away anyway.
1:28:33
It looked like he was looking right at me right
1:28:35
there. I think that... I look at what's going
1:28:39
on. I look at all of the polls. I do very, very
1:28:42
well against Hillary Clinton. I can tell you
1:28:44
I'm the last person that she wants to run against.
1:28:47
And I think you can see what we've done in terms
1:28:49
of galvanizing. I've been all over the country.
1:28:53
Last night, I was in South Carolina. We had 12
1:28:56
,000 people. It's set up in about four days.
1:29:00
We have galvanized, and we've created a movement.
1:29:02
A lot of it has to do with, as an example, Josh's
1:29:05
question on drugs. I'm the first one that said,
1:29:07
build a wall, but I mean a real wall, not a toy
1:29:09
wall like they have right now, a real wall, and
1:29:12
you'll solve lots of problems. But we will galvanize
1:29:15
the people of this country, and we will beat
1:29:18
Hillary Clinton. Assuming that she runs, by the
1:29:21
way, how she gets away with the email stuff is
1:29:23
hard to believe. So I don't know that she's going
1:29:25
to be running, but on the assumption she runs.
1:29:28
I mean, look, and speaking of that, if she runs,
1:29:31
she's running for one reason. She's going to
1:29:33
be able to run for one reason, and that's because
1:29:35
the Democrats are protecting her. Because so
1:29:38
many people have done so much less than her,
1:29:41
and they were absolutely, their lives have been
1:29:43
destroyed. But on the assumption they do protect
1:29:46
her. I will win the election, and we will win
1:29:49
it by a lot. We will win it handily. We cannot
1:29:52
have another four years of essentially Barack
1:29:55
Obama. Thank you very much, Mr. Trump. I'm going
1:29:59
to go to Senator Rubio on this. How would you
1:30:01
change that narrative? I think it's already happening.
1:30:03
Look at the turnout in Iowa. Historic number
1:30:05
of people came out and voted in those caucuses.
1:30:07
They're saying the same thing is going to happen
1:30:09
here in New Hampshire. Look at the rallies that
1:30:11
every single person on the stage is having. Much
1:30:13
higher numbers than you used to see in the past,
1:30:15
and here's why. Because people are starting to
1:30:18
understand very clearly that this election is
1:30:20
going to be a turning point. That 2016 is not
1:30:22
just a choice between Republican or Democrat.
1:30:24
It is a referendum on our identity as a nation
1:30:27
and as a people. And so here's what Hillary Clinton
1:30:29
needs to understand. We're going to have our
1:30:31
primary. We're going to have our debates, which,
1:30:32
by the way, are twice as many as the Democrats
1:30:34
have been willing to have themselves. But we're
1:30:36
going to bring this party together. And we are
1:30:38
going to defeat Hillary Clinton because she is
1:30:40
unqualified to be the president of the United
1:30:42
States of America. She put classified information
1:30:45
on her computer because she thinks she's above
1:30:47
the law. And anyone who lies to the families
1:30:49
of people who have lost their loved ones in the
1:30:51
service of our country, like she did in Benghazi,
1:30:54
can never be the commander -in -chief of the
1:30:56
United States of America. Thank you, Senator
1:30:58
Rubio. Dr. Carson, I want to go to you on Larry
1:31:04
O 'Connor's question. Would you change the narrative?
1:31:09
The same question? Yes. Well, first of all, I
1:31:13
think it would be a pretty easy contrast, quite
1:31:16
frankly, between myself and Hillary Clinton.
1:31:19
In one case, you have someone who is known as
1:31:23
a deceitful individual, an individual who...
1:31:27
Ed Benghazi, which I will never let go, quite
1:31:30
frankly, because I think of those two men who
1:31:34
went up there on the top of that compound with
1:31:36
machine guns, firing away, allowing their colleagues
1:31:40
to escape. And I'm sure in the back of their
1:31:43
mind they were just saying, if we can just hold
1:31:46
on, help is on the way. But help was not on the
1:31:48
way. When did we in the United States not send
1:31:51
people to help our own people? You know, this
1:31:54
is not who we are. I would simply make it a referendum
1:32:02
on honesty and integrity versus deceit and the
1:32:07
Washington way. Martha. Thank you very much,
1:32:09
Dr. Carson. I'm going to go back to David. Governor,
1:32:11
we'll come to you in the next segment. When we
1:32:13
come back, questions about race, about our veterans
1:32:15
and social. To have you back at the podiums,
1:32:17
and we want to turn to race in America and Mr.
1:32:19
Trump. There are many who argue cell phones and
1:32:22
smartphones are just now exposing what's been
1:32:25
happening in this country for years. Cases of
1:32:27
excessive force against minorities. As you know,
1:32:29
Mr. Trump, on the other side, the FBI director
1:32:31
recently said there's a chill wind blowing through
1:32:34
law enforcement because of increased scrutiny.
1:32:36
You have said police are the most mistreated
1:32:39
people in America. As president, how do you bridge
1:32:41
the divide? Well, there is a divide, but I have
1:32:44
to say that the police are absolutely mistreated
1:32:48
and misunderstood. And if there is an incident,
1:32:50
whether it's an incident done purposely, which
1:32:54
is a horror, and you should really take very
1:32:56
strong action. or if it's a mistake, it's on
1:32:59
your newscasts all night, all week, all month,
1:33:02
and it never ends. The police in this country
1:33:05
have done an unbelievable job of keeping law
1:33:09
and order. And they're afraid for their jobs.
1:33:13
They're afraid of the mistreatment they get.
1:33:15
And I'm telling you that not only me speaking,
1:33:19
minorities all over the country, they respect
1:33:21
the police of this country, and we have to give
1:33:24
them more respect. They can't act. They can't
1:33:26
act. They're afraid for losing their pension,
1:33:28
their job. They don't know what to do. And I
1:33:30
deal with them all the time. We have to give
1:33:32
great respect, far greater than we are right
1:33:35
now, to our really fantastic police. Mr. Trump.
1:33:41
I did ask about bridging the divide, though,
1:33:43
as president. So what would you say to the American
1:33:45
families who say we have lived through this?
1:33:46
We have seen excessive force. What would you
1:33:48
say to those? Well, they do. And, you know, they
1:33:50
sue. Everybody sues. Right. They see. I mean,
1:33:53
they go out. They sue. We have so much litigation.
1:33:56
I see the courts. I see what they're doing. They
1:33:58
sue. And you know what? We don't want excessive
1:34:00
force. But at what point? You know, either you're
1:34:02
going to have a police force that can do its
1:34:05
job. I was just up in Manchester. I met with
1:34:08
the police officers yesterday. Tremendous people.
1:34:11
They love the area. They love the people. They
1:34:13
love all the people. They want to do their job.
1:34:15
And you're going to have abuse, and you're going
1:34:17
to have problems, and you've got to solve the
1:34:18
problems, and you have to weed out the problems.
1:34:21
But the police in this country are absolutely
1:34:24
amazing people. I wanted to say, look, this can
1:34:30
be a win -win here. I have formed a collaborative
1:34:34
between police and community leaders because
1:34:37
people have to respect law enforcement. A family
1:34:40
doesn't want dad or mom going home in a box.
1:34:43
And for our community leaders, many of them think
1:34:45
the system not only works, not only doesn't work
1:34:49
for them, but it works against them. And I created
1:34:52
a big collaborative in Ohio. made up of law enforcement
1:34:55
community leaders the head of my public safety
1:34:57
and a former democrat liberal state senator nina
1:35:01
turner run it they got together they made recommendations
1:35:04
on recruiting on hiring on the use of deadly
1:35:07
force and what we're about to do is to bring
1:35:09
community and police together so we can have
1:35:12
a win -win. We need more win -wins in America,
1:35:15
and we don't have to pick one over another or
1:35:17
divide. We love the police, but we've got to
1:35:20
be responsive to the people in the communities.
1:35:22
We have to do all of it. Senator Rubio, I want
1:35:24
to ask you next. President Obama visited a mosque
1:35:28
this week in America for the first time in his
1:35:29
presidency. President George W. Bush visited
1:35:32
a mosque after September 11th. You said of President
1:35:35
Obama, quote, he's always pitting people against
1:35:37
each other. So I'm curious, how are the two visits
1:35:40
different, and would you visit a mosque as president?
1:35:42
I would, but that's not the issue. My problem
1:35:45
with what he did is he continues to put out this
1:35:47
fiction that there's widespread, systematic discrimination
1:35:50
against Muslim Americans. First of all, let's
1:35:52
recognize this. If you go to a national cemetery
1:35:55
in this country, you will see stars of Davids
1:35:57
and crosses, but you'll also see crescent moons.
1:35:59
There are brave men and women who happen to be
1:36:01
Muslim Americans who are serving this country
1:36:03
in uniform and who have died in the service of
1:36:05
this country. And we recognize that and we honor
1:36:08
that. But by the same token, we face a very significant
1:36:11
threat of homegrown violent extremism. We need
1:36:13
to have strong, positive relationships in the
1:36:15
Islamic communities in this country so they will
1:36:18
identify and report this activity, especially
1:36:20
mosques, for example, that are participating
1:36:22
not just in hate speech, but in inciting violence
1:36:25
and in taking acts against us. And I do believe
1:36:28
it is important also to recognize, you want to
1:36:30
talk about religious discrimination in America?
1:36:32
Well, I don't think Barack Obama is being sued
1:36:34
by any Islamic groups, but he is being sued by
1:36:36
the Little Sisters of the Poor. We are facing
1:36:39
in this country Christian groups and groups that
1:36:41
hold traditional values who feel and in fact
1:36:44
are being discriminated against by the laws of
1:36:46
this country that try to force them to violate
1:36:48
their conscience. Senator Rubio, thank you. Governor
1:36:51
Christie, earlier this week the World Health
1:36:57
Organization declared the Zika virus a global
1:37:00
emergency. The same kind of mosquitoes that carry
1:37:02
the Zika virus in Latin America. are found here
1:37:05
in the United States, and the virus has been
1:37:08
linked to severe birth defects. Governor Christie,
1:37:11
at the peak of the Ebola outbreak in West Africa,
1:37:14
you ordered an American nurse who landed at Newark
1:37:17
Airport be detained and quarantined. As fear
1:37:20
spread now of the Zika virus, and with the Rio
1:37:22
Olympics just months away, is there a scenario
1:37:25
where you would quarantine people traveling back
1:37:28
from Brazil to prevent the spread in the United
1:37:31
States? You bet I would. And the fact is that
1:37:34
because I took strong action to make sure that
1:37:37
anyone who was showing symptoms, let me remember
1:37:38
what happened with that nurse. She was showing
1:37:40
symptoms and coming back from a place that had
1:37:43
the Ebola virus active, and she had been treating
1:37:45
patients. This was not just something like we
1:37:48
picked her up just for the heck of it, right?
1:37:50
We did it because she was showing symptoms. And
1:37:52
the fact is that's the way you should make these
1:37:54
decisions. You make these decisions based upon
1:37:56
the symptoms, the medicine, and the law. We quarantined
1:38:00
her. She turned out to test negative, ultimately,
1:38:02
after 48 hours, and we released her back to the
1:38:05
state of Maine. But I want to add something on
1:38:07
the issue of mosques. Now, I'm the only one up
1:38:10
here who's got a law enforcement background and
1:38:12
was the U .S. attorney after September 11th.
1:38:14
I went to mosques throughout my state to build
1:38:16
bridges, to build bridges between our community
1:38:19
and law enforcement so we could get intelligence
1:38:21
and information from these folks. I've had the
1:38:23
experience of working with them as governor of
1:38:25
New Jersey as well. We cannot mix the radical
1:38:28
Islamic jihadists with everyday Muslim Americans.
1:38:31
New Jersey has the second largest Muslim American
1:38:33
population in America of any state. These are
1:38:36
good, law -abiding, hardworking people. What
1:38:39
they need is our cooperation and our understanding.
1:38:41
They do not need just broadsides against them
1:38:44
because of the religious faith they practice.
1:38:46
Governor Christie, thank you. I'm going to move
1:38:49
to Dr. Carson and go back to the Zika virus.
1:38:51
Is that going too far, quarantining? You're a
1:38:54
doctor. What would you do? Well, you know, it's
1:38:57
not a simple issue. And now, you know, we've
1:39:00
gotten evidence that there can be active viruses
1:39:03
in other bodily fluids like saliva and urine.
1:39:07
So this is going to be obviously a big deal.
1:39:12
Do we quarantine people if we have evidence that
1:39:15
they are infected? and that there is evidence
1:39:18
that that infection can spread by something that
1:39:21
they're doing, yes. But, you know, just willy
1:39:25
-nilly going out and quarantining a bunch of
1:39:27
people because they've been to Brazil, I don't
1:39:30
believe that that's going to work. What we really
1:39:33
need to be thinking about is how do we get this
1:39:36
disease under control? And this is where we need
1:39:39
rapid response. We need a rapid response for
1:39:42
Ebola. We need rapid response for Zika. There
1:39:46
will be other things that will come up. And these
1:39:49
are the kinds of things that the NIH, the CDC
1:39:52
can be very effective in. We need to give them
1:39:56
the appropriate support for those kinds of things.
1:39:59
Thanks very much, Dr. Carson. I want to move
1:40:01
on to the military. Senator Rubio, all restrictions
1:40:05
on women in combat. have been lifted as long
1:40:08
as they qualify positions including special operations
1:40:11
forces like Navy SEALs. Just this week, the military
1:40:15
leaders of the Army and Marine Corps said that
1:40:18
they believe young women, just as young men are
1:40:21
required to do, should sign up for selective
1:40:24
service in case the draft is reinstated. Many
1:40:28
of you have young daughters. Senator Rubio, should
1:40:31
young women be required to sign up for selective
1:40:34
service in case of a national emergency? Well,
1:40:36
first let me say there are already women today
1:40:37
serving in roles that are like combat, that in
1:40:40
fact whose lives are in very serious danger.
1:40:42
And so I have no problem whatsoever. with people
1:40:45
of either gender serving in combat, so long as
1:40:47
the minimum requirements necessary to do the
1:40:49
job are not compromised. But I support that.
1:40:52
And obviously, now that that is the case, I do
1:40:54
believe that selective service should be opened
1:40:56
up for both men and women in case a draft is
1:40:59
ever instituted. I think the more fundamental
1:41:01
challenge we're now facing is what's happening
1:41:03
to the U .S. military. I've said this many times
1:41:05
already, and I think it's important to start
1:41:07
paying attention to this. Our Air Force is about
1:41:09
to be the smallest it's been in 100 years. I'm
1:41:11
sorry, in our history. Our Army is set to be
1:41:14
smaller than it's been since the Second World
1:41:15
War, and our Navy is about to be the smallest
1:41:18
than it's been in 100 years. I think we need
1:41:20
to begin to refocus on rebuilding our military,
1:41:22
because every time we have cut our military in
1:41:24
the history of this country, we have had to come
1:41:26
back later and rebuild it, and it costs more,
1:41:28
and it's a lot more chaotic and dangerous. When
1:41:31
I'm president, we are rebuilding the U .S. military.
1:41:33
Thank you, Senator Rubio. Governor Bush, do you
1:41:36
believe that young women should sign up for selective
1:41:41
service, be required to do so? I do. I do. And
1:41:44
I think that we should not impose any kind of
1:41:46
political agenda on the military. There should
1:41:48
be, if women can... We meet the requirements,
1:41:53
the minimum requirements for combat service.
1:41:55
They ought to have the right to do it, for sure.
1:41:57
It ought to be focused on the morale as well.
1:41:59
We ought to make sure that we have readiness
1:42:00
much higher than we do today. We need to eliminate
1:42:02
the sequester, which is devastating our military.
1:42:05
We can't be... focusing on the political side
1:42:08
of this, we need to realize that our military
1:42:10
force is how we project our word in the world.
1:42:13
When we are weak militarily, it doesn't matter
1:42:15
what we say. We can talk about red lines and
1:42:18
ISIS being the JV team and reset buttons and
1:42:21
all this. If we don't have a strong military,
1:42:22
then no one fears us and they take actions that
1:42:26
are against our national interests. Tell me what
1:42:28
you'd say to American people out there. who are
1:42:32
sitting at home, who have daughters, who might
1:42:35
worry about those answers and might worry that
1:42:38
the draft is reinstituted. Well, the draft's
1:42:41
not going to be reinstituted, but why, if women
1:42:43
are accessing... But you didn't just do away
1:42:45
with it? No, I didn't say that. You asked the
1:42:47
question not about the draft, you asked about
1:42:49
registering. And if women are going to be supporting...
1:42:52
You registered for the draft. But we don't have
1:42:54
a draft. I'm not suggesting we have a draft.
1:42:56
What I'm suggesting is that we ought to have
1:42:59
readiness being the first priority of our military,
1:43:01
and secondly, that we make sure that the morale
1:43:04
is high. And right now, neither one of those
1:43:06
are acceptable because we've been gutting the
1:43:08
military budget. We also need to reform our procurement
1:43:11
process. We need to make sure that there are
1:43:13
more... men and women in uniform than people,
1:43:16
than civilians in our Defense Department. There's
1:43:17
a lot of things that we need to do, reform, to
1:43:19
bring our defense capabilities into the 21st
1:43:22
century. And I'm the guy that could do that.
1:43:24
That's why I have the support of generals, of
1:43:27
admirals, of 12 Medal of Honor recipients, and
1:43:30
many other people that know that I would be a
1:43:32
steady commander -in -chief and rebuild our military.
1:43:38
Martha. Thank you very much. Can I be really
1:43:41
clear on this? Because I am the father of two
1:43:43
daughters. One of them is here tonight. What
1:43:46
my wife and I have taught our daughters right
1:43:47
from the beginning, that their sense of self
1:43:50
-worth, their sense of value, their sense of
1:43:52
what they want to do with their life comes not
1:43:54
from the outside, but comes from within. And
1:43:56
if a young woman in this country wants to go
1:43:59
and fight to defend her country, she'd be permitted
1:44:01
to do so. And part of that also needs to be a
1:44:03
part of a greater effort in this country. And
1:44:05
so there's no reason why one young woman should
1:44:07
be discriminated against from registering for
1:44:10
the Selective Service. The fact is, we need to
1:44:12
be a party and a people. that makes sure that
1:44:15
our women in this country understand anything
1:44:17
they can dream, anything that they want to aspire
1:44:20
to, they can do. That's the way we raise our
1:44:23
daughters, and that's what we should aspire to
1:44:24
as president for all the women in our country.
1:44:26
Thank you very much, Governor Christie. We just
1:44:29
covered, wait one second, Dr. Carson. Something
1:44:31
about the draft, just very quickly. Very quickly.
1:44:34
You know, 14 % decrease in the number of people
1:44:38
applying for voluntary military service. And
1:44:41
I think part of it is because of the way that
1:44:43
we treat our veterans. You know, we wouldn't
1:44:46
be a free country if it wasn't for them. And
1:44:48
we have 22 veterans per day. committing suicide
1:44:52
so i think what we should do is have an external
1:44:54
support system for people once they volunteer
1:44:57
and it should follow them throughout their career
1:45:00
they should follow them for three years or five
1:45:03
years afterwards a year before they get out it
1:45:06
should be working on integrating them back into
1:45:08
society so that they quit on friday and they
1:45:11
start their new job they should have health empowerment
1:45:14
accounts that are subsidized so they can go to
1:45:17
any medical facility and be taken care of they
1:45:19
can go to a va they want to. But if we start
1:45:22
taking care of our veterans the right way, we
1:45:24
won't have to ever worry about a draft again.
1:45:28
Thank you very much for bringing up that subject,
1:45:31
Dr. Carson, of our veterans. And for another
1:45:33
question about our veterans, we go back to Josh
1:45:36
McKelvin from WMUR. Josh. Thank you, Martha.
1:45:39
None of you on stage tonight have ever worn a
1:45:41
uniform as a member of the armed service. That's
1:45:44
the reality of it. But as Commander -in -Chief,
1:45:46
you'll also be charged with the care of 23 million
1:45:49
active duty service members and veterans in this
1:45:51
country. Some have suggested privatizing the
1:45:54
VA as a way to enhance care and increase the
1:45:56
quality of the care and access. Others say that
1:46:00
veterans should carry ID cards that allow them
1:46:03
access to any hospital or health care provider.
1:46:05
Governor Bush, what specifically would you do
1:46:07
to ensure that those who have sacrificed for
1:46:09
us are cared for? I totally agree that we need
1:46:12
to give veterans more choices. A veteran's card
1:46:15
to be able to go to a private provider will enhance
1:46:17
the quality of the service inside the Department
1:46:19
of Veterans Affairs. We need career civil service
1:46:22
reform. Only three people were fired after waiting
1:46:25
lists were dropped where veterans didn't get
1:46:27
care, and people died. It is outrageous. And
1:46:30
Hillary Clinton says that that's acceptable because
1:46:32
she is... captive of the public service unions.
1:46:35
Career civil service reform would allow the next
1:46:37
president to fire people that are just showing
1:46:40
sheer incompetence. At a town hall meeting today,
1:46:43
someone told the story of their father, who looked
1:46:46
like he was 85. He got a bill eight years later
1:46:50
from an operation he had. Eight years it took.
1:46:53
They couldn't resolve the dispute. And then he
1:46:56
was told that he died. Literally, the Veterans
1:46:59
Administration sent a death certificate to this
1:47:01
guy. And it took nine months to clarify the guy.
1:47:05
I met him, and he's voting for me, and he is
1:47:07
likely to be alive. This is outrageous. It is
1:47:16
completely outrageous. So giving veterans more
1:47:18
choices, creating centers of excellence, focusing
1:47:21
on the true problems that exist. Dr. Carson is
1:47:24
completely right. We need to start focusing on
1:47:26
this earlier before they become veterans so that
1:47:28
there's a customized plan so people don't fall
1:47:31
through the cracks. We can do this, but it's
1:47:33
going to require someone who has proven leadership
1:47:34
skills to make it happen. Governor, do you have
1:47:37
a favorite approach? Josh, I mean, clearly, when
1:47:42
a veteran comes home, they should get health
1:47:43
care anywhere they want to go. In our state,
1:47:46
which is what we should do in the country, you
1:47:48
know, if they drive a truck from Kabul to Kandahar
1:47:51
in Afghanistan, We say you can drive a truck
1:47:55
from Columbus to Cleveland, and we don't have
1:47:57
to go get a license. We're going to hand you
1:47:58
one. And if you've got expertise in the military,
1:48:01
we're going to give you college credit or community
1:48:03
college credit for the things that you did for
1:48:06
our country. And in addition to that, I'll tell
1:48:08
you one of the biggest things I think has to
1:48:10
be done, and I would do it as president, the
1:48:12
Pentagon has got to work with the returning soldier,
1:48:16
sailor. along with the family, and they're the
1:48:20
most valuable employees in the country. I call
1:48:22
them golden employees. Everybody wants to hire
1:48:25
a veteran. But there is a disconnect between
1:48:28
the job openings and the veteran when the veteran
1:48:30
comes back. The veteran is a leader. The veteran
1:48:33
is strong. The veteran is drug -free. There should
1:48:36
be no unemployment among veterans. And if the
1:48:38
Pentagon will work with the veteran services
1:48:40
agencies all across this country, Josh, We can
1:48:43
get people jobs, and we can get them jobs quickly,
1:48:47
get them their health care, get them their college
1:48:49
education. Let's lift them. They're the greatest
1:48:52
people defending the United States of America,
1:48:55
and we need to take care of them, and we will.
1:48:57
We will. Senator Rubio, go ahead. Well, my brother's
1:49:04
a veteran. We're very proud of him in our family.
1:49:06
He served as a Green Beret in the 7th Special
1:49:08
Forces from 1968 through 1971. And as part of
1:49:12
his training, he jumped out of an airplane and
1:49:14
he lost his two front teeth. And for years, he's
1:49:16
had to go to get these dental claims. And every
1:49:18
time he goes to get one of these dental claims
1:49:20
filled, the VA asks him, well, how do we know
1:49:21
you lost your teeth in the Army? And he says,
1:49:23
well, it's the only time I ever jumped out of
1:49:25
a plane. But he's had to fight through this process
1:49:27
and I've watched it firsthand. That's why I'm
1:49:29
proud that I worked in a bipartisan way. We passed
1:49:32
the VA accountability bill that for the first
1:49:33
time allows us to fire, allows the VA secretary
1:49:37
to fire someone who's not doing a good job, who's
1:49:39
a senior executive. And the governor's right.
1:49:42
They've only fired to three people up to now.
1:49:44
More people will be fired if I'm president. But
1:49:46
the portability part of it is incredibly important.
1:49:49
Veterans should be able to take their VA benefits
1:49:51
to any hospital or any doctor they want to go
1:49:53
to. When I am president of the United States,
1:49:55
veterans will be able to take their benefits
1:49:57
to any hospital or any doctor that they choose.
1:50:01
Senator Rubio, thanks very much. We've got to
1:50:03
move forward now. David, Martha, back to you.
1:50:05
Josh, thank you. I want to turn to a family that
1:50:08
New Hampshire voters know quite well. And Senator
1:50:09
Cruz, the issue of hostages has been a very real
1:50:12
and painful one here in this state. As we all
1:50:15
know, James Foley was killed. His mother, Diana,
1:50:17
said our government should be willing to negotiate,
1:50:19
arguing that families should also be allowed
1:50:22
to raise money for ransom. What would you say
1:50:25
to Diane Foley tonight? Should families be allowed
1:50:27
to raise money for ransom for their loved ones?
1:50:30
Well, look, I recognize it is an agonizing experience.
1:50:34
when anyone is facing a loved member who's been
1:50:37
kidnapped. But at the same time, putting in place
1:50:42
legal regimes that encourage the payment of ransom
1:50:47
has the effect of putting a bounty on other Americans.
1:50:51
There is a reason it has been longstanding U
1:50:53
.S. policy that we don't negotiate with terrorists,
1:50:56
we don't pay ransoms. If you look at what President
1:50:59
Obama has done... over and over again, whether
1:51:02
it was the James Bergdahl deal, which was absolutely
1:51:05
shameful, releasing five senior Taliban terrorists
1:51:08
to bring Bergdahl back, or whether it was this
1:51:12
recent deal with Iran, where again up to 21 terrorists
1:51:16
or potential terrorists were released or not
1:51:20
prosecuted in order to bring back four Americans.
1:51:23
What that does is it effectively puts a bounty.
1:51:26
on American servicemen and women serving abroad,
1:51:29
on American tourists traveling abroad. And the
1:51:32
proper approach is a president and commander
1:51:36
-in -chief that defends this country and that
1:51:39
goes after the terrorists rather than showing
1:51:43
them weakness and encouraging them to target
1:51:45
more Americans. Senator Cruz, thank you. Mr.
1:51:47
Trump, what would you say to Diane Foley? Should
1:51:49
families be allowed to raise money for ransomware?
1:51:51
Well, I know Diane Foley very well. Her husband,
1:51:55
and these are tremendous people. I spoke for
1:51:58
them. I've raised a lot of money for the foundation.
1:52:02
I fully understand James, one of the, that was
1:52:05
really the first that we saw really visually
1:52:07
so horrible. And I will tell you, though, with
1:52:10
all of that being said, you cannot negotiate
1:52:12
this way with terrorists. If you do, you're going
1:52:15
to have many, many more James Follies. James
1:52:18
Foley was a great young man. His parents are
1:52:20
incredible people. They've done such a good job
1:52:22
since his death. But you just cannot negotiate
1:52:26
that way with terrorists, or you're going to
1:52:27
have so many other James Foley's. And just one
1:52:30
thing on the vets. During the last debate, I
1:52:32
raised $6 million for the vets. And I will tell
1:52:35
you something. I will tell you that I think nobody
1:52:39
here, nobody on this stage, gets along with the
1:52:41
veterans groups in New Hampshire better than
1:52:44
I do, with Al Baldessaro and all of the people
1:52:46
that I deal with. And these are great people.
1:52:48
The one thing that we're not mentioning is tremendous
1:52:51
fraud. waste and abuse in the Veterans Administration.
1:52:56
And if I'm running things, that's going to disappear.
1:52:58
It's going to disappear quickly. Mr. Trump, thank
1:53:01
you. We want to turn now to social issues and
1:53:03
young voters and for the question from Mary Catherine.
1:53:06
Thanks, David. Senator Rubio, one of the lazier
1:53:10
pieces of political conventional wisdom is that
1:53:12
so -called social issues are hurting Republicans
1:53:15
with young people. But on the two most prominent
1:53:17
social issues, polling with millennials actually
1:53:20
moves in different directions. On one hand, it's
1:53:22
clear young people across the political spectrum
1:53:24
increasingly favor same -sex marriage. However,
1:53:27
young voters have not moved to the left on abortion.
1:53:30
In fact, large numbers of them favor at least
1:53:33
some modest restrictions that conservatives have
1:53:35
supported. How do you speak to millennials on
1:53:38
both these issues while Democrats will inevitably
1:53:40
charge intolerance and extremism? Well, first
1:53:43
of all, I don't believe that believing in traditional
1:53:45
marriage the way I do makes you a bigot or a
1:53:48
hater. It means that you believe that this institution
1:53:50
that's been around for millennia is an important
1:53:52
cornerstone of our society. I respect people
1:53:54
that believe differently, but I believe deeply
1:53:57
that marriage should be between one man and one
1:53:59
woman. On the issue of life, to me the issue
1:54:03
of life is not a political issue. It's a human
1:54:05
rights issue, and it's a difficult issue because
1:54:07
it puts in conflict two competing rights. On
1:54:10
the one hand is the right of a woman to choose
1:54:12
what to do with her body, which is a real right.
1:54:14
And on the other hand is the right of an unborn
1:54:16
human child to live. And they're in conflict.
1:54:19
And as a policymaker, I must choose which one
1:54:21
of these two sides takes precedence. And I've
1:54:23
chosen to err on the side of life. Here's what
1:54:25
I find outrageous. There has been five Democratic
1:54:27
debates. The media has not asked them a single
1:54:30
question on abortion. And on abortion, the Democrats
1:54:32
are extremists. Why doesn't the media ask Hillary
1:54:35
Clinton why she believes that all abortions should
1:54:37
be legal, even on the due date of that unborn
1:54:39
child? Why don't they ask Hillary Clinton why
1:54:42
she believes that partial birth abortion, which
1:54:45
is a gruesome procedure that has been outlawed
1:54:47
in this country, she thinks that's a fundamental
1:54:48
right. They are the extremists when it comes
1:54:51
to the issue of abortion, and I can't wait to
1:54:53
expose them in a general election. i want to
1:55:03
come to you your allies have recently attacked
1:55:06
senator rubio for being too pro -life to be elected
1:55:09
in november you've made a similar charge stay
1:55:11
in an interview this is a pro -life party do
1:55:15
you stand behind that criticism look i'm i'm
1:55:17
pro -life in fact on this stage i'm the most
1:55:19
pro -life person because i've acted on it for
1:55:20
eight years as governor of the state of florida
1:55:22
where we abolished Partial birth abortion, where
1:55:25
parents have the right to be notified when their
1:55:28
teenage child is having an abortion. We were
1:55:31
the first state to do a Choose Life license plate
1:55:33
to raise money for adoption. We were the first
1:55:36
state to have state monies go to crisis pregnancy
1:55:38
centers, which recently was just increased to
1:55:41
$4 million a year. We created greater regulation
1:55:45
on abortion clinics, where there were horrific
1:55:47
procedures. So I'm pro -life, but I believe there
1:55:51
should be exceptions. rape, incest, and when
1:55:53
the life of the mother is in danger. And so that
1:55:57
belief and my consistency on this makes me, I
1:56:01
think, poised to be in the right place, the sweet
1:56:03
spot, for a Republican nominee. And others may
1:56:05
have a different view, and I respect it. But
1:56:07
I think we have to be cognizant. In fact, there's
1:56:10
a lot of people that are concerned about having
1:56:12
a pro -life position without any exceptions.
1:56:17
I do support an exception for the life of the
1:56:19
mother because I'm pro -life. I just believe
1:56:21
deeply that all human life is worthy of the protection
1:56:23
of our laws. If I'm president and there's a bill
1:56:26
that's passed that saves lives but it has exceptions,
1:56:28
I'll sign it. But I do believe deeply that all
1:56:30
human life is worthy of the protection of our
1:56:32
laws. I've already said, for me, the issue of
1:56:34
life is not a political issue. And I want to
1:56:36
be frank. I would rather lose an election than
1:56:38
be wrong on the issue of life. Governor Christie,
1:56:45
you too have talked about Senator Rubio's position
1:56:50
on the life issue. Some conservative activists
1:56:52
have called this line of attack... Harmful to
1:56:55
the pro -life cause. I've been pretty helpful
1:56:58
to the pro -life cause in one of the most pro
1:57:00
-choice states in the union. I stood up for the
1:57:02
first time, and now for the last six years, we've
1:57:04
defunded Planned Parenthood, not talked about
1:57:06
it like they do in Washington, D .C., but for
1:57:08
six years as governor, Planned Parenthood does
1:57:10
not receive that funding from the state budget
1:57:12
anymore, over $50 million worth of money that's
1:57:15
been saved now that is not going to do exactly
1:57:17
what Hillary Clinton wants to have done as advocated
1:57:20
for. She believes that that organization, which
1:57:22
engages in the systematic murder of children
1:57:25
in the womb, in order to maximize the value of
1:57:27
their body parts for sale on the open market,
1:57:29
is an acceptable position. Let me tell you something.
1:57:32
I don't care whether you're a millennial or whether
1:57:33
you're in your 90s. No one, no one is for that
1:57:37
type of activity unless you are the most radical
1:57:39
type of extremist on this issue, like Senator
1:57:41
Clinton and her party is on this issue. I'll
1:57:44
say one other thing. The fact is that I believe
1:57:47
that if a woman has been raped, That is a birth
1:57:52
and a pregnancy that she should be able to terminate.
1:57:55
If she is a victim of incest, this is not a woman's
1:57:59
choice. This is a woman being violated. And the
1:58:02
fact is that we have always believed, as has
1:58:03
Ronald Reagan, that we have self -defense for
1:58:07
women who have been raped and impregnated because
1:58:09
of it or the subject of incest and been impregnated
1:58:12
for it. That woman should not have to deliver
1:58:14
that child if they believe that violation is
1:58:17
now an act of self -defense by terminating that
1:58:19
pregnancy. Thank you all. Back to you, David
1:58:21
and Martha. Mary Catherine, thank you. We're
1:58:23
going to have closing statements here in just
1:58:25
a moment, but before we go, a quick lightning
1:58:26
round. Come November, two battleground states,
1:58:29
but they face off tomorrow in the Super Bowl.
1:58:31
Governor Kasich, who wins? Carolina's going to
1:58:36
win that one. I hate to say it, but they're going
1:58:37
to win that one. Governor Bush. Peyton Manning's
1:58:40
supporting me, and I'm for Denver. Senator Rubio.
1:58:46
Well, I was going for Peyton Manning, but now
1:58:48
I'm rooting for Carolina. Paul Cam. Paul Cam.
1:58:51
Mr. Trump. Carolina. With an eye to February
1:58:55
20th, Carolina. All right. Dr. Carson. With 100
1:58:58
percent certainty, I will predict the winner.
1:59:00
It will be either Denver or Carolina. Governor
1:59:04
Christie, the last word. Denver. Denver. Thanks
1:59:07
so much, gentlemen. Closing statements in just
1:59:09
a moment. Right here is in statements. And we
1:59:11
begin tonight with Governor Kasich. Well, folks,
1:59:14
I've done now over 100 town hall meetings, and
1:59:19
I've loved every second of it. It has been the
1:59:22
greatest thing in the world. And I want you to
1:59:24
know that you've changed me because I've listened
1:59:27
to your stories, and I've had your hugs, and
1:59:30
I've seen your tears, and I've seen you walk
1:59:34
away and say, I now have hope. You know, I've
1:59:37
had a conservative message. but a positive message,
1:59:40
not just a conservative message, but a positive
1:59:42
message about how we can bring people together,
1:59:45
how we can restore America's strength, lift everyone.
1:59:49
New Hampshire, please give me a chance to carry
1:59:52
this message forward to the United States of
1:59:54
America, and then I will come back. Thank you,
1:59:58
loved it, and God bless you. Thank you. I've
2:00:11
spent the last 13 years of my life focused on
2:00:14
one thing. serving the people who have given
2:00:17
me the opportunity to serve them. Not about politics,
2:00:21
not about partisanship, but about putting the
2:00:24
people of my state and our country first. I'm
2:00:27
proud to have stood on the front lines of fighting
2:00:29
the war on terrorism after September 11th. I'm
2:00:32
proud to have rebuilt my state after Hurricane
2:00:34
Sandy. And I'm incredibly proud to be on this
2:00:37
stage tonight with these men asking for your
2:00:40
vote. New Hampshire, I've spent 70 days here
2:00:42
with you. You've gotten to know my heart. My
2:00:44
heart is to help you solve the problems of your
2:00:46
state and the problems of our nation. If you
2:00:48
give me your vote on Tuesday, I will do just
2:00:51
that. I want to thank the people of New Hampshire,
2:01:01
and I want to celebrate the birthday of a great
2:01:03
president. Ronald Reagan would have been 105
2:01:05
today. President Reagan believed in the future
2:01:09
of our country, believed in its greatness, had
2:01:11
a hopeful, optimistic message, drew people towards
2:01:14
our cause. We need someone who has a proven record
2:01:17
to take our case to the American people. Because
2:01:20
our philosophy is by far the best one of limited
2:01:22
government, of entrepreneurial capitalism, of
2:01:25
peace through strength. I believe I have the
2:01:27
skills to take our party to victory in November.
2:01:29
I ask for your support on Tuesday to keep America
2:01:32
and make America safer, stronger, and freer.
2:01:34
Thank you all very much. For many months, the
2:01:46
political class, pundits, the media... have tried
2:01:51
to ignore or bury me. They say that politics
2:01:55
is too complex and too sleazy. You can't survive.
2:02:00
Well, guess what? I'm still here, and I'm not
2:02:03
going anyplace either. And I believe there is
2:02:07
still a place in our country for faith, integrity,
2:02:11
and common sense. Hundreds of thousands of you
2:02:13
drafted me to run for president. And I am going
2:02:18
to, with the help of God and you, once again
2:02:22
place the American people at the pinnacle with
2:02:25
the government there to serve it. Senator Rubio.
2:02:32
You know, this week I had the great pleasure
2:02:35
of having my kids join me on the campaign trail.
2:02:38
I hadn't seen them in a while. And it was great
2:02:40
to have them alongside me. But the most important
2:02:42
part of it is that it once again reminded me
2:02:44
of what's at stake here in New Hampshire in less
2:02:46
than 72 hours. We are literally deciding what
2:02:49
kind of country we will be like when they're
2:02:52
my age, what kind of country they will be able
2:02:54
to raise their families in. And that's why I'm
2:02:57
asking you for your vote. You vote for me and
2:02:59
we will unite this party. We will grow the conservative
2:03:01
movement. We will defeat Hillary Clinton and
2:03:04
we will leave our children what our parents left
2:03:06
us, the single greatest nation in the history
2:03:08
of all mankind. Thank you. You know, every candidate
2:03:18
running for president says they will stand up
2:03:20
to Washington. The natural follow -up question
2:03:22
is, when have you ever stood up to Washington?
2:03:24
Last week we saw a powerful illustration of that.
2:03:27
I campaigned in the state of Iowa four square
2:03:31
against the ethanol mandate, something everyone
2:03:33
said was political suicide. My two leading competitors
2:03:37
both attacked me for it. The governor of the
2:03:41
state said vote for anyone but Cruz, and lobbyists
2:03:44
spent millions of dollars in attack ads. But
2:03:47
I stood and said we should have no mandates,
2:03:49
a level playing field, and the people of Iowa
2:03:52
put country and our children above the cronyism
2:03:56
and corporate welfare. We can turn this country
2:03:58
around if we get back to the Constitution, and
2:04:01
I will always stand with the American people
2:04:03
against the bipartisan corruption of Washington.
2:04:06
Thank you. Mr. Trump. That's because he got Ben
2:04:12
Carson's votes, by the way, but we won't say.
2:04:21
Country that we love so much. It doesn't win
2:04:23
anymore. We don't win with the military. We don't
2:04:27
win on the border. You look at New Hampshire
2:04:29
with the tremendous problem we have with heroin.
2:04:31
Number one thing I hear from the people of New
2:04:34
Hampshire who I love and develop such relationships,
2:04:37
we don't win with health care. We don't win with
2:04:40
trade. You look at what other countries are doing
2:04:42
to us, China, everyone. They're killing us on
2:04:46
trade. If I'm elected president, we will win
2:04:50
and we will win and we will win. Thank you. Thank
2:04:53
you very much. Mr. Trump, thank you. Thanks to
2:04:56
all the candidates on the stage here tonight.
2:04:58
We thank the people of Manchester, New Hampshire
2:05:00
for having us for this debate and to everyone
2:05:02
at home. The New Hampshire primary is Tuesday.
2:05:04
George Stephanopoulos and the powerhouse political
2:05:06
team standing by. Take it away, George. Thank
2:05:08
you, David. Thank you, Martha. And boy, the debate
2:05:10
is over. Donald Trump got the first word tonight.
2:05:13
He got the last word as well, says he's going
2:05:15
to win. Of course, he is leading in New Hampshire
2:05:17
coming into this. I want to go straight to Tom
2:05:19
Yamas in the spin room. You've been covering
2:05:21
the Trump campaign from the start, covering all
2:05:22
the Republican candidates. What are you getting
2:05:24
inside that room tonight? From the conversations
2:05:26
tonight, George, the headline is, what happened
2:05:28
to Senator Marco Rubio? He was so prepared for
2:05:31
all of these debates. He knew he had to fight
2:05:33
like a gladiator tonight.