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Suspect: 'I'm sorry' for Penn murders; mystery Cancun vacation death · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius x M Triumph
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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. A shocking confession in the case
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Speaker 1: of the four missing men in Bucks County. Cosmo DeNardo
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Speaker 1: says he killed them all. What do you have to
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Speaker 1: say anything? That the four men have been missing since
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Speaker 1: last week? Cosmo Denardo's defense attorney says that his client
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Speaker 1: admitted his guilt and told investigators where they can find
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Speaker 1: the bodies. Mr DeNardo confessed to the district Attorney. The
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Speaker 1: d A promised him the death penalty would be off
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Speaker 1: the table. Despite confessing the killing and burning the bodies
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Speaker 1: of four young men. Did he act alone? We're hearing
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Speaker 1: this morning there is a second person of interest. You
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Speaker 1: would think at this point we would all be stoic,
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Speaker 1: we would all be jaded. It was simply be just
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Speaker 1: another story. But it's not like that. It's never like that.
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Speaker 1: When I dare to read another story out of Bucks County,
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Speaker 1: I'm still stunned that the disappearance of four young boys
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Speaker 1: and the prime of their life, one having just finished
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Speaker 1: his freshman year at Loyola on the Dean's list, the
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Speaker 1: other three all friends, all friends and connected in one
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Speaker 1: way or the other having gone to high school together.
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Speaker 1: Uh Facebook friends together, know each other, two of them
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Speaker 1: very best friends. They're dead, all four of them in
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Speaker 1: a mass grave. I'm talking about the four missing in
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Speaker 1: Bucks County. Police now find at least one body identified
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Speaker 1: in a mass grave at a five million dollar farm,
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Speaker 1: reports saying the son the owner is a schizophrenic twenty
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Speaker 1: year old who had been selling pot and guns for years.
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Speaker 1: The parents remained type lipped about their son's activities with
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Speaker 1: me from w f m z TV Jamie Stover and
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Speaker 1: psychologists from New York Karen Stark. Jamie, what is the latest?
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Speaker 1: We now learn that there is a so called mystery
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Speaker 1: accomplice that was made last night when after the bombshell
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Speaker 1: announcement comes out that Cosmo Deernardo has has come forward
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Speaker 1: and confessed twenty four hours after those remains were were identified.
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Speaker 1: As as you mentioned, his attorney comes out says that
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Speaker 1: he has confessed all because he's trying to avoid the
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Speaker 1: death penalty in this and while his attorney Pauline, it's
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Speaker 1: sort of dodged the question about their being um somebody
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Speaker 1: else potentially involved. The AP now coming out with a
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Speaker 1: source last night saying that they're is somebody else that
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Speaker 1: they're potentially looking into, essentially saying that Cosmo DeNardo have
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Speaker 1: help in this. And since Cosmo Denardo's confession came out,
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of reporters were expecting to see
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Speaker 1: the district attorney come out and and make comment on this.
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Speaker 1: You know, you would, you would think this would be
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Speaker 1: a big win for the prosecution. What better than having
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Speaker 1: a person of interest come and tell you what happened.
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Speaker 1: But he didn't have any of those news conferences last night,
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Speaker 1: um expecting to have another one today. I'll tell you
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Speaker 1: what I'm thinking about that, Jamie, is if what they're
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Speaker 1: saying is true, if the reports are true, Alan Duke,
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Speaker 1: I find it impossible for a police officer to give
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Speaker 1: a plea deal. In other words, let DeNardo plead guilty
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Speaker 1: in exchange for not seeking the death penalty on the luring,
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Speaker 1: the ambush, the murder of four young boys, and now
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Speaker 1: we're learning that he tried to allegedly tried to burn
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Speaker 1: them to hide the bodies. I mean, where were his
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Speaker 1: parents during all of this? When all of this has
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Speaker 1: been happening, and not only that, reportedly there have been
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Speaker 1: thirty so called brushes with the law and very few,
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Speaker 1: if any arrests. What how much money does it take
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Speaker 1: for you to have thirty brushes with the law as
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Speaker 1: they are calling it, and you don't do jail time?
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Speaker 1: How does that work? Alan? Do you thirty arrest thirty
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Speaker 1: brushes with the law? They weren't arrest because they let
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Speaker 1: him go. He did do an involuntary visit stint whatever
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Speaker 1: to a mental health facility j at least one. No,
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Speaker 1: but it is they do that instead of because they
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Speaker 1: figured that that can help tex hold on, Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: you're the psychologist and involuntary. Some people call it a
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Speaker 1: Baker Act, which is a case um where some Baker
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Speaker 1: had to go to an involuntary commitment that's not jail
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Speaker 1: that can last. Remember when Britney Spears had an involuntary commitment?
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Speaker 1: Was she there a couple of weeks? Man x and
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Speaker 1: they appointed a guardian for her and she came right
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Speaker 1: out thirty brushes with the law? Jamie Stover, do you
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Speaker 1: know anything about the thirty brushes with the law. I've
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Speaker 1: seen reports of that I am not familiar with with
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Speaker 1: with the additional that you're talking about. Of course, we
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Speaker 1: all know about the the gun charge that stemmed from February. Well,
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Speaker 1: that was refiled this week, and then obviously the the
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Speaker 1: other charge, the only charge standing at this point related
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Speaker 1: to this case, for the stolen vehicle. If that is true,
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Speaker 1: you know, then the systems got blood on their hands,
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Speaker 1: because if that's true, they've let this guy walk free,
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Speaker 1: marching around his parents multimillion dollars seventy acre state, however
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Speaker 1: many acres it is, dressed in camo, carrying a gun
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Speaker 1: and selling pot and nobody did anything. Why because he's rich?
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Speaker 1: I want to know the answer to that. But another
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Speaker 1: thing I want to know is about this mystery accomplice,
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Speaker 1: and there are more than just so called rumors to
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Speaker 1: support that theory. In the night, police converged on another
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Speaker 1: home and made an arrest. Speculation reports are that that
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Speaker 1: arrest is connected to these four missing, now presumed dead boys.
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Speaker 1: Now a theory is emerging that Cosmo di Nardo, the
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Speaker 1: twenty year old son of this real estate magnate, is schizophrenic.
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Speaker 1: What exactly does that mean? Or are we heading right
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Speaker 1: down the path to a mental mental defense in this Karen?
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Speaker 1: What do you know? Well, it's it's very hard to
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Speaker 1: say whether in fact the defense would choose that or
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Speaker 1: m I try to I would suspect they would. But
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Speaker 1: if he is, if he has been diagnosed as schizophrenic, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that means that there is a potential for harm and
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Speaker 1: schizophrenia there's no way to really know when the delusions
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Speaker 1: or the hallucinations would get somebody to commit violence, would
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Speaker 1: force them. After all, if you're a parent, it's schizophrenic
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Speaker 1: you think that things are happening to you and you
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Speaker 1: believe that people are out to get you. And in
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Speaker 1: that case, um, you're not of sane mind, so you
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Speaker 1: can't be able to make that judgment. And there is
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Speaker 1: a propensity towards violence, usually against themselves more than someone else.
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Speaker 1: But it leads me to the question, if he has
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Speaker 1: been diagnosed with this so long ago, then why is
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Speaker 1: he still walking around selling pot driving with access to guns.
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Speaker 1: If you look on his Facebook, he's in some sneaker
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Speaker 1: aficionado club online and you see ammunition interspersed with the shoes.
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Speaker 1: It's it's very upsetting. I mean, for him to be
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Speaker 1: in that condition, we can't help that. All we could
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Speaker 1: do is treat that, but then to let him the
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Speaker 1: potential to harm other people. And now four are dead.
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Speaker 1: That is that to me is a crime. How his
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Speaker 1: parents let that happen. So what how do you treat
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Speaker 1: karen schizophrenia? You have to use the anti psychotic drugs,
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Speaker 1: Nancy and um almost all most of the time. I
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Speaker 1: really would say that when people are given the proper treatment,
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Speaker 1: these things don't happen. The problem is it's very hard
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Speaker 1: for parents, UM to accept that this change person is
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Speaker 1: their child, that they might be in danger or anyone
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Speaker 1: else's danger. And that you find very very often that
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Speaker 1: parents really can't look at it. And it's not that um,
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Speaker 1: they want to be like that. It's it's more like
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Speaker 1: they can't believe that their child is capable of this
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Speaker 1: kind of violence and it doesn't schizophrenia and hint in
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Speaker 1: the late teens in men. Yes, And so you've had
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Speaker 1: a whole lifetime really say fifty in seventeen years with
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Speaker 1: a child that's perfectly normal, lovable, trusting, sweet, does well
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Speaker 1: in school, a mother's dreaming, and suddenly it's like the
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Speaker 1: lights go off and schizophrenia takes ahold of them. I
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Speaker 1: guess it is hard for the parents to accept that.
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Speaker 1: I guess it's even harder for the parents to accept
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Speaker 1: that their young son is now dead because of someone
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Speaker 1: else not managing their child, or not writing their child
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Speaker 1: in or getting the correct treatment, or if he did
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Speaker 1: have the correct treatment, then there was nothing that could
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Speaker 1: be done about this. Those are the two choices what
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Speaker 1: we are also hearing from sources. Jamie Stover w f
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Speaker 1: m z TV, if you can comment on this, that
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Speaker 1: these schizophrenic schizophrenic killers quote accomplice has been arrested. That
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Speaker 1: dinar to know who is in fact a drug dealer.
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Speaker 1: I mean, if he schizophrenic, he's able to keep his
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Speaker 1: wits about him to sell drugs, tells police he murdered
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Speaker 1: four men for quote cheating him in a pot deal
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Speaker 1: and then burn their bodies with the help of a
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Speaker 1: mystery person. That's what we're seeing come out. That's what
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Speaker 1: we saw come out last night, uh from reports from
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Speaker 1: the Associated Press. But you know, it's also interesting and
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but but
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Speaker 1: last night we also came across UM screenshots showing supposed
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Speaker 1: to be UM conversations that were happening after after these
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Speaker 1: disappearances would have had in which a friend was asked
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Speaker 1: asking his body cosbo of DeNardo about his friend Dean
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Speaker 1: missing um and we're seeing you know what? What? How
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Speaker 1: Cosmo was was responding to friends asking about friends missing
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Speaker 1: UM and these are screenshots that I guess friends had
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Speaker 1: had saved for whatever reason. I saw it. It was shocking.
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Speaker 1: It was cold, cruel and callous what he reportedly If
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Speaker 1: these are his screenshots? What he was saying about his friend.
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Speaker 1: He went to high school with one of the missing boys,
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Speaker 1: and I think was on that Facebook sneaker chat room
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Speaker 1: with him. So what did he say? Jamie? A friend asks,
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Speaker 1: your buddy Dean is missing. Aren't you worried about buddy
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Speaker 1: dead Dean? Uh? And this user named Cosmo says, I
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Speaker 1: mean I know the kid, but yeah, I feel bad
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Speaker 1: for his parents. And then he goes on to make
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Speaker 1: allegations about his friend Dean having do you WI is
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Speaker 1: getting arrested for things like stolen bikes. He refers to
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Speaker 1: him as he's a pill popping junkie who had two
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Speaker 1: d U I s and got popped for stolen bikes
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Speaker 1: and guns. He probably just jumped parole or probation. Yeah
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Speaker 1: that I think that's a little projecting. There is no
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Speaker 1: evidence any of these victims had any kind of a
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Speaker 1: past like that. In fact, I know for a fact
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Speaker 1: one was a deem student for Pete's sake. That that's that.
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Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I think he is projecting his
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Speaker 1: own persona and trashing the victims. And the really reality is,
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, if he is to be believed, he has
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Speaker 1: killed them, burn their bodies and put him in a
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Speaker 1: mass grave, and now he's trashing them online. I don't
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Speaker 1: care what they did or who they are. That's the reality. Well,
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Speaker 1: but there goes that has to do with the delusions again, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I mean for him, they deserve to have this happen
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Speaker 1: there now. I'm sorry, Karen, I just had to roll
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Speaker 1: my eyes at you your delusions. And you know he
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Speaker 1: was he had the wherewithal to be a dope dealer,
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Speaker 1: He had the wherewithal to pull off, according to him,
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Speaker 1: the murders of four innocent people. And I'm not saying that,
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Speaker 1: lou Cops, for all this time, how can he be crazy?
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Speaker 1: Can still have schizophrenia, He can still have be paranoid
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Speaker 1: and function, you know, you know, function sell drugs, sell guns.
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Speaker 1: But he is not seeing things the way a normal
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Speaker 1: person would see things. Schizophrenia does not allow you to
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Speaker 1: see the world the way you or I would be
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Speaker 1: able to do it. If you notice there are also
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Speaker 1: pictures of him. I think it's him with a gun,
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Speaker 1: and in one of the pictures he really does seem
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Speaker 1: very That just came out of your mouth. As long
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Speaker 1: as I have known you, you saw a picture of
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Speaker 1: him and you think he's insane? What about this? When
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Speaker 1: he's asked uh. In the same exchange, Jamie Stover from
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Speaker 1: w f M z t V was just telling us
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Speaker 1: about the friend goes on, why did they go to
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Speaker 1: your property? And he goes because no reason for people
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Speaker 1: to come to my place where we don't live. I
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Speaker 1: have no clue, bro, but it's weird. People keep hitting
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Speaker 1: me up. I have no idea what's up? So you're
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Speaker 1: telling me, Karen Stark, no offense because you know you
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Speaker 1: and I've been together a long time now. But Karen,
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Speaker 1: you're telling me and always disagreeing about that. This guy
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Speaker 1: who has millions at his fingertips through his parents, can
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Speaker 1: be given any kind of mental treatment at the best
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Speaker 1: facilities in the world. Can have a dope operation, can
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Speaker 1: sell stolen cars or try to can sell guns, can
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Speaker 1: pull off a quadruple murder, conceal the bodies in a
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Speaker 1: mass grave, elude police, and then form lies about it online.
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Speaker 1: That is not crazy, Karen, Well, it is. It is
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Speaker 1: if you look at the definition of schizophrenia in the
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Speaker 1: in this instance, he's crazy, but he's functioning. So I
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Speaker 1: don't know if he knew the difference between right and wrong. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: you could say that about America functioning crazy and I
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Speaker 1: I'm raising my hand up. Is a real disease, and
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Speaker 1: it doesn't always include somebody being violent. But if in
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Speaker 1: fact he's untreated and he has been hospitalized with schizophrenia,
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Speaker 1: his parents were in denial, and he was not medicated,
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Speaker 1: and anything is possible. You think you got you think
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Speaker 1: you got me over the barrel, Just hold on, hold on.
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Speaker 1: The legal definition of insanity in our country is not
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Speaker 1: knowing the difference between right wrong at the time act.
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Speaker 1: That's the old McNaughton rule. And it was a case
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Speaker 1: when Great Britain and the defendant was McNaughton right. It
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Speaker 1: came over when the pilgrims came here. And as part
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Speaker 1: of our common law, which means cases, court cases all
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Speaker 1: the way up to the U. S. Supreme Court have
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Speaker 1: verified it and it is a legal precedent here. And
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Speaker 1: if he knew up to burn the bodies, conceal the evidence,
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Speaker 1: lie evade police, he knew it was wrong. That means
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Speaker 1: under the law he is not insane, but that is
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Speaker 1: that is illegal about that, Missy, that's a legal definition
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Speaker 1: versus yes, there is illness. And he's apologized. Thinker here,
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Speaker 1: Alan Deep tuning up, All right, go ahead, out and
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Speaker 1: he's apologized. Let's let's listen to his apology. He apologized
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Speaker 1: last night. Let me play that. Let's hear the apology. Cosmo,
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Speaker 1: what do you say to these families? Cosmo, you admitted
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Speaker 1: to killing four people? Why do you do it? What
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Speaker 1: do you have to say to these families, Cosmo? Anything
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Speaker 1: you're saying to the family, you're going with me. In
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Speaker 1: addition to Karen Stark, psychologist out of New York, is
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Speaker 1: Jamie Stover from w f m Z TV. So where
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Speaker 1: does it stand now, Jamie reporting from Bucks County. What's
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Speaker 1: happening now? All right, now, everybody's waiting to waiting to
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Speaker 1: find out, you know, who is this additional person that
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Speaker 1: they're looking into in this case. We were expecting the
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Speaker 1: district attorney to maybe come out with that this morning.
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Speaker 1: But now we're finding that he's postponing his news conferences again,
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Speaker 1: likely not until the afternoon. So it appears, at least
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Speaker 1: from our standpoint, that perhaps there's a lot more work
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Speaker 1: to be done in this case. Even though despite that
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Speaker 1: confession according to Cosmos attorney last night about him, you know,
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Speaker 1: fessing up and and and saying that he was forthright
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Speaker 1: and and then doing all this to avoid the death penalty,
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Speaker 1: there has not been a single homicide charge filed. So
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Speaker 1: we're still waiting on that. Perhaps they are working on
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Speaker 1: that as we speak, or you know, perhaps they're still
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Speaker 1: waiting to to talk to this other individual that they
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Speaker 1: think may have been involved in this, to to find
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Speaker 1: out more on what exactly happened at the DiNardo property.
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Speaker 1: You know, another thing when you said we're waiting and
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Speaker 1: you finished that Sinence Jamie Stover by talking about, you know,
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Speaker 1: our are going to be charges. Is there a mystery
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Speaker 1: accomplice that helped him dispose of the bodies? What I
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Speaker 1: thought you were going to say, just from me projecting
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Speaker 1: as we're waiting to identify the other bodies, and Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you something just to say that brings
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Speaker 1: up the worst feelings because you know, for crime victims
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Speaker 1: that have been through it, that have lived through someone
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Speaker 1: you love more than anything in the world being murdered,
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Speaker 1: it's horrible and you really never get beyond it. You
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Speaker 1: never it's just part of your DNA from then on him.
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Speaker 1: I know they're trying to solve the case. I know
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Speaker 1: they're trying to find out if there's a mystery person.
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Speaker 1: But you know, I have my twins this morning, You
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Speaker 1: have your wonderful husband. We we all have our loved
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Speaker 1: one with us. Alan, you're nearly wed, I mean. And
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Speaker 1: these parents they're waking up this morning trying to figure
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Speaker 1: out if they were part of a bad dream, the
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Speaker 1: worst dream they've ever had in their life, a nightmare,
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Speaker 1: and they hit the ground, their feet touched the floor,
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Speaker 1: off the side of the bed, and they realize it's real.
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Speaker 1: Their son is dead, most likely in a mass grave,
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Speaker 1: waiting for a body to be identified. So I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: leave all the legal machinations to the d A as
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Speaker 1: it unfolds, as we send up our prayers for the
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Speaker 1: victims families at this hour. Jamie Stover from w f
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Speaker 1: M Z t V and Karen Stark Psychologists out of
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Speaker 1: New York. Thank you for being with us as we
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Speaker 1: stand by and wait for the latest. Along with these families,
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Speaker 1: Thank you. Ladies. Abbey and Austin Connor on a family
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Speaker 1: getaway with their entire familyly into to Camcoon, Mexico. It's
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Speaker 1: like a dream, I know. With the twins, I'm so
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Speaker 1: busy getting up at five thirty every morning, getting everything
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Speaker 1: ready for them to school, taking them to school, trying
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Speaker 1: to get to work on time, trying to get all
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Speaker 1: the bases covered. And I really look forward to vacation
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Speaker 1: time when I can just be with them. You know,
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Speaker 1: I waited my whole life to have them, and you
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Speaker 1: get bogged down in everyday life, but you finally get away.
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Speaker 1: The parents get away with Abbey and Austin Connor. Within
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Speaker 1: just two hours of arriving at their vacation destination in Cancoun,
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Speaker 1: the brother and sister, Abbey and Austin found face down
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Speaker 1: in the resort pool, face down, Abbey dead. The last
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Speaker 1: thing Austin can't remember, it's being with a group of men.
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Speaker 1: They were supposed to meet their parents after the pool
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Speaker 1: for dinner, and they never showed up. It is now
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Speaker 1: going on six months and Cancoun authorities have done nothing.
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Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime stories and I want answers.
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Speaker 1: You pay out the nose for some so called luxury vacation.
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Speaker 1: This is Paraso del Mar near Playa del Carmen. Bottom
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Speaker 1: line is Cancoun and Americans flood to Cancoun, which is
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Speaker 1: part of Mexico. It's nearby, it's on the beach, white
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Speaker 1: sandy beaches. But what they don't know is just recently
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Speaker 1: a Department of Justice report details the facts. And now
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Speaker 1: you better think twice before your vacation in Cancoon. Joining
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Speaker 1: me right now, longtime friend and called league syndicated talk
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Speaker 1: show host Dave mac Dave, you've got children, I've got children.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of this story? Nancy, I've actually
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Speaker 1: got children in these age groups you're talking. Abbey is
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Speaker 1: a twenty year old swimmer. So is that Austin is
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Speaker 1: twenty two. They're very close. They were together in the
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Speaker 1: pool and what I met looking at is they were
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Speaker 1: just typical college age kids having a couple of adult
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Speaker 1: beverages at the pool bar. That's all they were doing.
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Speaker 1: The thing is, Nancy, as you dig deeper in this
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Speaker 1: you're gonna find out that their mom and stepdad actually
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Speaker 1: came and hung out with them for a little while
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Speaker 1: and watched them swim. Then about an hour before they
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Speaker 1: were to meet their mom and stepdad for dinner, they
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Speaker 1: were left alone in the pool and they ran a
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Speaker 1: foul of somebody because you don't drown by yourself and
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Speaker 1: have a golf ball size. Uh, well, both of them. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: she had a broken collar bone. She had a broken
22:46
Speaker 1: collar bone. It was drowned in four ft of water.
22:49
Speaker 1: They're also conflicting reports among the police reports. You mentioned
22:53
Speaker 1: that Cancoon Is is this resort place, and it's beautiful,
22:55
Speaker 1: but you know what, for for thirty years they told Americans,
22:59
Speaker 1: don't go off the property, don't go into the town. Well,
23:01
Speaker 1: in the last three years, the trouble has come to
23:04
Speaker 1: these resorts and these types of scenarios are playing out
23:06
Speaker 1: on a more than regular basis. All you have to
23:08
Speaker 1: do is take a quick google. There are stories coming
23:11
Speaker 1: out of these resorts where people are experiencing there at
23:14
Speaker 1: at the bar, they're having a couple of drinks. Next
23:16
Speaker 1: thing they know, they've got body damage and they wake
23:18
Speaker 1: up in a either a hotel, a hospital room, or
23:20
Speaker 1: a hotel room that they don't know where their stuff is.
23:22
Speaker 1: These guys are so young, Abbey and Austin Connor, and
23:25
Speaker 1: if it were just one of them, I wouldn't find
23:28
Speaker 1: it as suspicious, Dave mac. But you've got the brother
23:31
Speaker 1: and sister and their last recollection was sitting there with
23:36
Speaker 1: some other guys. It was a restaurant right there at
23:40
Speaker 1: the pool. They were sitting there. Then they recall they're
23:44
Speaker 1: coming to the brother. Is Abby floating in the pool
23:48
Speaker 1: face down, foam coming out of her nose. Austin also
23:51
Speaker 1: found floating face down in the pool. Abbey was declared
23:56
Speaker 1: brain dead there in can Kom. This family had gotten
24:00
Speaker 1: there from Pewaukee, Wisconsin, and they were only on this
24:04
Speaker 1: resort property just a couple of hours with mom Jenny
24:07
Speaker 1: and stepdad John before both found in the pool. Abbey,
24:11
Speaker 1: of course, as I mentioned, was declared brain dad before
24:14
Speaker 1: she was eventually taken off life support. And there's something
24:17
Speaker 1: so scary. It's bad enough when you are familiar with
24:22
Speaker 1: the territory, much less when you're not. Now catch this.
24:27
Speaker 1: The last thing Austin remembers is being there at the
24:31
Speaker 1: pool with his little sister and a group of guys
24:33
Speaker 1: invite them over for a drink with their group. That's important,
24:37
Speaker 1: Dave Matt. Remember one drink? That was it? One drink
24:43
Speaker 1: and the next thing the boy remembers, Austin is waking
24:47
Speaker 1: up in an ambulance. He says, he's been in college
24:52
Speaker 1: for five years and he's had a couple of drinks,
24:54
Speaker 1: but no way would he put his face down in
24:57
Speaker 1: a pool and go to sleep. They are victims of
25:01
Speaker 1: some sick person that drugged them. He said he never
25:06
Speaker 1: felt drunk. They had one drink. He's six two and
25:10
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty five pounds. They were meeting their
25:13
Speaker 1: parents just forty five minutes later, and they never made it.
25:17
Speaker 1: So what do you make of the fact that this
25:20
Speaker 1: group of guys, unbeknownst to them, never seen them before,
25:25
Speaker 1: say hey, come over here and have a drink with us.
25:26
Speaker 1: They're all at the little outdoor restaurant together. So they do.
25:30
Speaker 1: He wakes up in an ambulance. Day man, Nancy, There's
25:33
Speaker 1: a lot more to this. I mean, what you're laying
25:35
Speaker 1: out is scary enough, but it actually is worse when
25:38
Speaker 1: you look at the police report and what they're claiming happened.
25:41
Speaker 1: All right, First of all Abby and Austin were together
25:43
Speaker 1: the entire time. They were swimming together, they were playing together,
25:47
Speaker 1: they were in their first hour of their vacation. They
25:49
Speaker 1: were preparing to meet their mother and stepfather for dinner.
25:52
Speaker 1: Somewhere in the midst of all of this, mom and
25:55
Speaker 1: stepdad come back from walk on the beach. They say,
25:57
Speaker 1: we'll meet you in an hour, and in that hour time,
25:59
Speaker 1: they run a foul of this group of thugs who
26:01
Speaker 1: are rough housing in the pool. And it's a big pool.
26:03
Speaker 1: It's a huge pool, but nobody sees what happens. And
26:07
Speaker 1: that's the catch. This is a five star resort. You
26:09
Speaker 1: have a young brother and sister that are in the
26:12
Speaker 1: pool together watching one another, but they run into this
26:15
Speaker 1: group that invites him over for a drink. They have
26:18
Speaker 1: one shot with this group and then everything goes to blackout.
26:21
Speaker 1: But look at the injuries. Austin is six ft two
26:24
Speaker 1: and a hundred and fifty five pounds. He's got a
26:26
Speaker 1: golf ball size not on his head and the doctor
26:28
Speaker 1: said it was a severe concussion. And his sister, she
26:31
Speaker 1: is dead in the pool for all intents and purposes,
26:33
Speaker 1: and she's got a broken collar bomb But nobody saw
26:36
Speaker 1: what happened. You're at a five star resort. You've got
26:40
Speaker 1: one person claims that she saw them struggling to get
26:42
Speaker 1: out of the pool and she went to get help,
26:44
Speaker 1: but the police never talked to her. On top of
26:46
Speaker 1: all that, Nancy, when the hospital crew got them out,
26:49
Speaker 1: they sent them to the hospital that was the smallest
26:52
Speaker 1: hospital and the furthest away. There was a much bigger,
26:55
Speaker 1: much better prepared hospital, much closer to the property than
26:58
Speaker 1: the one they sent these two. The this five star
27:02
Speaker 1: resort did everything they could to get it as far
27:04
Speaker 1: away from them, and now they've shut down the investigation.
27:08
Speaker 1: Two year old Austin twenty year old Abbey. Abbey's gone
27:12
Speaker 1: and Austin doesn't know what happened. I just don't see
27:14
Speaker 1: how it could be with me. Also, in addition to
27:17
Speaker 1: syndicated talk show has Dave mack is Alan the Duke
27:21
Speaker 1: Duke joining us on the story. Alan, I just don't
27:24
Speaker 1: see how this is a simple drowning when he has
27:28
Speaker 1: no recollection of what happened. After one drink with that
27:32
Speaker 1: group at the pool, he has a concussion and she
27:36
Speaker 1: has a broken collar bone and slips into a coma.
27:39
Speaker 1: That's not a drowning Alan. Now, unfortunately, the local police
27:43
Speaker 1: don't appear to have done much of an investigation, talking
27:46
Speaker 1: to maybe three of the resort staffers about what happened.
27:50
Speaker 1: So that's why the family has now hired an American
27:53
Speaker 1: lawyer with the Mexico office to pressure the police to
27:57
Speaker 1: reopen the investigation and find out what happened. It is
28:01
Speaker 1: a place I wouldn't go to after what happened in
28:03
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten to Monica Burgos. Remember that the survivor,
28:06
Speaker 1: producer's wife. He's now doing a dozen years in a
28:09
Speaker 1: Mexico prison for that. That was only thirty two miles
28:12
Speaker 1: away from this resource. Now, when you have the Department
28:15
Speaker 1: of Justice, the US Department of Justice issuing a warning,
28:21
Speaker 1: I would listen. And you know, Alan and Dave, I
28:24
Speaker 1: don't know if you know this. We had planned to
28:27
Speaker 1: take the children on a surprise Disney cruise and that
28:32
Speaker 1: when they got out of school, and this is in May,
28:36
Speaker 1: and uh we went down there when they got out
28:39
Speaker 1: of school, to Cape Canaveral and when I woke up,
28:43
Speaker 1: and we're going to board the ship the next morning.
28:45
Speaker 1: When I woke up, it was about six o'clock in
28:47
Speaker 1: the morning. And David, my husband was gone, and I texted,
28:51
Speaker 1: I said, David, where are you, p as, how's your mom?
28:54
Speaker 1: His mom had been sick, he wrote back, texted back,
28:57
Speaker 1: my mom passed away. Okay. We were stunned, very very
29:03
Speaker 1: close to his mom, Miss Lynch and um, you know
29:07
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't like their mother in laws.
29:09
Speaker 1: I loved mine deeply. Anyway, we turn around and come
29:13
Speaker 1: straight back. So we rebooked, and we rebooked, and there
29:18
Speaker 1: were some different islands that it was going to. We
29:22
Speaker 1: would go on the Disney approved outings on those islands,
29:28
Speaker 1: because I've covered so many tragedies of American tourists when
29:34
Speaker 1: they go to islands, it's never good. But maybe, Dave,
29:37
Speaker 1: it's in my line of business. I only really hear
29:40
Speaker 1: about the bad things. But I would take them off
29:43
Speaker 1: the ship at at every stop. But we only went
29:47
Speaker 1: to the Disney offerings because you know, I felt secure
29:51
Speaker 1: that Disney would offer something that was age appropriate and
29:55
Speaker 1: safe for nine year old children, and and they all were.
29:59
Speaker 1: But then sharing off or trusting these all inclusive resorts,
30:03
Speaker 1: that just gives me a bad feeling. Is it because
30:05
Speaker 1: we know what we know? Dat Nancy, it could be
30:07
Speaker 1: but you know, and since I went on so I
30:10
Speaker 1: started looking at this story. Today, I went ahead and
30:12
Speaker 1: just did a little research to see are there other
30:14
Speaker 1: complaints about this resort or similar complaints to the story
30:17
Speaker 1: we're doing. Do you realize there are pages Nancy, pages
30:21
Speaker 1: and pages of people who are posting of similar incidents
30:24
Speaker 1: where they're not robbed, but they're physically abused in some
30:27
Speaker 1: way and they don't recall it. I mean, we're not
30:30
Speaker 1: talking one or two. We're talking twelve, fifteen, sixteen, all
30:33
Speaker 1: in Cancoon. This apparently is something that's going on. That's
30:36
Speaker 1: why we've got the State Department issuing the warning to Americans.
30:39
Speaker 1: But you think about it, you talk about you know,
30:41
Speaker 1: you go, you're going on this dream vacation. You expect
30:44
Speaker 1: your children to be safe. Maybe we are a little
30:47
Speaker 1: jada because this is what we cover. But then again,
30:50
Speaker 1: fifteen sixteen stories in the space of two minutes of looking, Uh,
30:54
Speaker 1: there's there's more to this story than meets the eye.
30:56
Speaker 1: And this family is desperate France. Well yeah, I'm Angel
31:00
Speaker 1: common sense, Dave, common sense, Alan Duke. I could understand
31:05
Speaker 1: one of them hitting their heads somehow, maybe on a
31:07
Speaker 1: diving board, maybe on the side of the pool, but
31:11
Speaker 1: two of them, both of them hitting their head with
31:14
Speaker 1: that severity, And even if it was some freak accident,
31:17
Speaker 1: which of course it's not for both of them to
31:19
Speaker 1: be harmed like this, where was where were the lifeguards?
31:22
Speaker 1: Where were the staff? Even if it's an accident, it
31:26
Speaker 1: just none of it makes sense. So, Dave Mac, what
31:29
Speaker 1: have we learned about any police investigation in king Kids.
31:33
Speaker 1: We've learned is that the police talked to a total
31:36
Speaker 1: of three people at the hotel. Um. We don't have
31:40
Speaker 1: any real investigation. They closed it within a week by
31:43
Speaker 1: just saying it was an accidental drowning and they've left
31:45
Speaker 1: it at that, and the family is trying to get
31:48
Speaker 1: more answers. That's why we're talking about it six months
31:50
Speaker 1: after the fact, because they still don't know what's going on.
31:53
Speaker 1: This police investigation is in embarrassment and Americans that you
31:57
Speaker 1: know what you talk with your money, stop going to
31:59
Speaker 1: Cancun and we solved this and that will wake him up.
32:02
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy? You're You're gonna fall over when
32:04
Speaker 1: I tell you this, Dave Mac. You know how involved
32:07
Speaker 1: I was in covering the Natalie Holloway disappearance and death
32:11
Speaker 1: in Aruba. Do you know the more the story was covered,
32:16
Speaker 1: the higher the American tourism right win, Yes, ma'am, I do,
32:19
Speaker 1: I remember. You know why? Why is that we were right?
32:23
Speaker 1: You know what was bad is you know I was
32:25
Speaker 1: doing a radio show in Birmingham and had actually done
32:27
Speaker 1: services at Hurt Natalie's home church the month before they
32:31
Speaker 1: went on the senior trip. We were intimately from familiar
32:33
Speaker 1: with all those people involved, and there were people dying
32:36
Speaker 1: to go to Aruba. They wanted to see Carlos and
32:38
Speaker 1: Charlie's they wanted It was almost like some kind of weird,
32:42
Speaker 1: you know, tourist attraction. Okay, that's that's ghoulish. Yes, that's
32:46
Speaker 1: just ghoulish. Listen to this, Dave mac. This is what
32:50
Speaker 1: Abby's dad says. I still can't believe this happened. I'm
32:55
Speaker 1: still waiting for my daughter to walk through the door.
32:59
Speaker 1: This couldn't have happened. It's I think two things, Dave Mac. One,
33:05
Speaker 1: the shock of loving losing his child. In two. The
33:09
Speaker 1: facts do not add up. The facts do not add up,
33:15
Speaker 1: and that is why he's still turning it over and
33:17
Speaker 1: over in his mind like a Rubik's cube. He can't
33:19
Speaker 1: make it fit because it doesn't fit because it's a lie.
33:23
Speaker 1: We're doing this story and I think the same thing.
33:25
Speaker 1: There's gotta be a problem. There's got to be a mistake.
33:27
Speaker 1: It doesn't happen like this and four ft of water
33:30
Speaker 1: and the boy doesn't even remember getting in a way,
33:33
Speaker 1: you have an accidental drowning in a pool with your
33:36
Speaker 1: brother where he's hit on the head and has a
33:38
Speaker 1: severe concussion, and you have a broken collar bone. That,
33:41
Speaker 1: my friend, is not an accidental. I think that we
33:46
Speaker 1: were talking about whether we were jaded. I don't think
33:48
Speaker 1: we're jaded. I think I love my children and I
33:53
Speaker 1: want to protect them in every way, and I want
33:56
Speaker 1: other people to hear the story and to be able
33:59
Speaker 1: to protect their children, to be armed with the knowledge
34:02
Speaker 1: that we have that we have gotten from from studying
34:05
Speaker 1: this and investigating this. Dave mac, I'm not done with
34:09
Speaker 1: this investigation. Thank you for being with me. Absolutely than
34:13
Speaker 1: a hard working husband is dead now claims that his
34:20
Speaker 1: brand new wife, his bride. His newly wed bride orders
34:27
Speaker 1: a hit man just four months into the marriage. Why
34:33
Speaker 1: so she could collect his one hundred thousand dollar life
34:36
Speaker 1: insurance policy. That's right, Yaloma Walker was set to receive
34:44
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars life insurance policy benefits when her
34:48
Speaker 1: husband passed away, reportedly orders a hit on her groom.
34:56
Speaker 1: He's dead now, but one catch. She forgot to check
35:02
Speaker 1: the life insurance policy. She's not the beneficiary. He's six
35:07
Speaker 1: ft under and she's getting nothing. Joining me right now,
35:12
Speaker 1: Robin Willinski, my colleague, the senior news anchor at the
35:16
Speaker 1: Blaze Network. Robin is great to hear your voice. What
35:20
Speaker 1: happened with Yoloma Walker? Well, Nancy, great to be on
35:24
Speaker 1: your new show. I will tell you this. You ever
35:25
Speaker 1: hear the expression smart, smart, but dumb. She had this
35:29
Speaker 1: elaborate plot to have him murdered. And then, oh, by
35:33
Speaker 1: the way, his ex wife he never changed his ex
35:36
Speaker 1: wife's name, so she never got a dime of the money.
35:39
Speaker 1: And now she's facing uh life in prison and it's
35:43
Speaker 1: hard not to laugh with me. Also, as Alan Duke,
35:46
Speaker 1: the Duke, you know why she was in so much trouble.
35:49
Speaker 1: She ran up tens of thousands of dollars in debt,
35:54
Speaker 1: credit card debt, you name it, debt, debt, debt, and
35:59
Speaker 1: she couldn't get out of it, so she orders a
36:02
Speaker 1: hit on her brand new husband, um William Walker, she
36:08
Speaker 1: had just married four months before. Her plan had one
36:13
Speaker 1: glaring problem from the outset. Her husband had not changed
36:17
Speaker 1: the beneficiary on his insurance policy. He had not taken
36:20
Speaker 1: his ex wife's name off and changed it to Yloma's
36:24
Speaker 1: when he was killed. So the ex wife, Oh, don't
36:28
Speaker 1: you know that is killing her killing the bride that
36:32
Speaker 1: the ex wife gets all the money. Oh, that's insult
36:36
Speaker 1: to injury. So how did the whole thing go sideways?
36:40
Speaker 1: And what do we know about all the debt that
36:43
Speaker 1: she had racked up? Nancy? First of all, let me say,
36:47
Speaker 1: when I got married in May, the very first thing
36:49
Speaker 1: is we stepped off that beach. My new wife made
36:53
Speaker 1: sure that everything was changed over. But I believe from
36:57
Speaker 1: everything I know about this that I mean your insurance policy, everything.
37:00
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? She couldn't wait. We had to go
37:03
Speaker 1: down to the courthouse today just to see if the
37:05
Speaker 1: marriage certificate was processed so she could go ahead and
37:09
Speaker 1: change her passport in her driver's license. She never even
37:13
Speaker 1: changed my name? Or do people still do that? Apparently?
37:18
Speaker 1: Do people still change their name? Yes? Yes? What still do?
37:22
Speaker 1: So all the names match up? Yeah? And then if
37:24
Speaker 1: somebody dies, then you can cash in on the check.
37:27
Speaker 1: But reading this story is making me wait, wait, wait, wait,
37:30
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I don't have time to go change my name.
37:33
Speaker 1: I'm not changing my name. Let David change his name
37:37
Speaker 1: for pete sake. In fact, I'm actually thinking of changing
37:39
Speaker 1: the children's name to Grace. But that's a whole another
37:42
Speaker 1: cannon wars. Let me get back to this lady now.
37:44
Speaker 1: I want to talk about her debt. What do we
37:46
Speaker 1: know about her debt? Do we know anything? Robin? Oh,
37:48
Speaker 1: she was deeply in debt. She was racking up all
37:52
Speaker 1: kinds of credit card charges on his account. So here's
37:56
Speaker 1: the thing. They didn't just willy Nilly get married. She
37:58
Speaker 1: was dating him for two years. Then they got married,
38:02
Speaker 1: and she was rapping up all these credit cards and purchases.
38:05
Speaker 1: But guess what she came up with a grand to
38:07
Speaker 1: hire the hit. Now, Oh, my stars, now tell me
38:12
Speaker 1: does the husband, William, did he have any children of
38:15
Speaker 1: his own before he got tangled up with this she devil?
38:20
Speaker 1: You know, I am not sure if he had kids
38:23
Speaker 1: or not. But I know that she has a daughter
38:25
Speaker 1: who's involved in this plot. So you have mommy contacts
38:29
Speaker 1: her daughter who's seventeen years old, and says, hey, uh,
38:33
Speaker 1: you know, who do you know that could kill the husband?
38:35
Speaker 1: Kill my husband? So the daughter has a boyfriend who's
38:39
Speaker 1: a drug dealer, as you would, and the drug dealer
38:43
Speaker 1: boyfriend gets his cousin to buy the gun. He gets
38:48
Speaker 1: a nine millimeter and then he tries to kill the
38:51
Speaker 1: guy but chickens out, So then he hires some other
38:54
Speaker 1: dude in the neighborhood who's the shooters. So there's a
38:56
Speaker 1: total of four people involved in this plot. You know,
39:00
Speaker 1: here's another thing. Robin Willinskey Robin Willinsky joining me, senior
39:04
Speaker 1: news anchor with the Blaze Network. If you're if you
39:08
Speaker 1: want something done, just do it yourself, because the minute
39:12
Speaker 1: you bring in other people, every somebody always talks. That's
39:17
Speaker 1: why I've always said the O. J. Simpson case wasn't
39:21
Speaker 1: There was no conspiracy amongst the cops. Yes, I'm not
39:25
Speaker 1: saying they didn't screw up. They might have screwed up
39:27
Speaker 1: some several things in the investigation, but that was not
39:31
Speaker 1: a plan conspiracy because somebody would have cracked by now here.
39:35
Speaker 1: You involve a lot of people in a hit, and
39:37
Speaker 1: of course they all run in blab y Loamacurie Walker
39:42
Speaker 1: charged with aggravated murder, murder, felonious assault and conspiracy, and
39:48
Speaker 1: the slaying of a veteran firefighter, William Walker, to whom
39:53
Speaker 1: she had just been married four months. She couldn't even
39:58
Speaker 1: wait what a year before she kills him. I mean,
40:01
Speaker 1: I think I need a shrink on this as well.
40:03
Speaker 1: But you're saying they dated two years before they got hitched, Robin, Yeah,
40:08
Speaker 1: she clearly knew. You know, when you're dating someone for
40:11
Speaker 1: two years, you know if they have a couple of
40:13
Speaker 1: coins in the bank, you know where the credit cards are,
40:15
Speaker 1: you might even know the person's Social Security number. She's
40:18
Speaker 1: opening up all these accounts, racking up debt here and there,
40:22
Speaker 1: going shopping, and then only four months in she gets
40:25
Speaker 1: greedy and needs to pay all these debts off or
40:28
Speaker 1: you know, who knows what she wanted, but she wanted
40:30
Speaker 1: that hundred thousand dollars for herself and to take off it.
40:33
Speaker 1: She this woman is so sick that she left his
40:37
Speaker 1: ashes behind in a car and moved out of Well,
40:41
Speaker 1: I didn't know about the ashes. How did you find
40:43
Speaker 1: out these things? Robin whiskey? Hey, but I do have
40:46
Speaker 1: another tidbit. Guess what else she wanted. She didn't want
40:49
Speaker 1: just a hundred thousand dollar life insurance policy. She wanted
40:52
Speaker 1: his pension. He had a city city pension. I mean,
40:56
Speaker 1: this was not just husband, William malk Er, This was
40:59
Speaker 1: lioked himant William Walker, a very well respected firefighter and
41:07
Speaker 1: member of the firefighting community. He had been a firefighter
41:11
Speaker 1: for years and had a pretty hefty government pension. Wrecked up,
41:17
Speaker 1: she thought she was going to take home that monthly check.
41:20
Speaker 1: I mean you would think though that his friends, you know,
41:23
Speaker 1: the firefighters, you know this Nancy, the police and the firefighters.
41:26
Speaker 1: It's a brotherhood. So you would think that some of
41:28
Speaker 1: his buddies would if she was shady, this woman, but
41:31
Speaker 1: they would have said, listen, man, what are you doing?
41:33
Speaker 1: Why are you marrying her? But clearly no one got involved.
41:37
Speaker 1: He walked down the aisle and now, like you say,
41:39
Speaker 1: he's six feet under. But what's fascinating about this is
41:42
Speaker 1: all the people she involved, the daughter, the daughter's boyfriend,
41:46
Speaker 1: drug dealer, the guy who gets the gun. You know,
41:48
Speaker 1: this whole litany of people. And like you say, if
41:50
Speaker 1: if you want to plan the party, do it yourself.
41:52
Speaker 1: Don't don't hire a whole crowd. And they also, all
41:56
Speaker 1: four of these characters were facing very serious charges and
42:01
Speaker 1: life and they've all cut deals. The most outrageous thing
42:04
Speaker 1: is that the daughter, uh is facing nothing. She's going
42:07
Speaker 1: to spend a month in a juvenile detention center. Uh.
42:11
Speaker 1: The other ones are going away. Somebody's getting twenty eight years.
42:15
Speaker 1: The boyfriend, the drug dealer boyfriend is getting twenty eight years,
42:18
Speaker 1: and the other two one is getting eighteen years, and
42:20
Speaker 1: the shooters getting twenty three years. So they actually might
42:24
Speaker 1: get out at some point. Here's another thing. What about
42:28
Speaker 1: this Robin Robin? She initially got a hit man for
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Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars. I mean, that's a pretty cheap deal
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Speaker 1: for a murder. So the husband, Lieutenant Williams, comes home
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Speaker 1: that nine round eight thirty, he's coming home long day
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Speaker 1: at work. He comes home with a bag of McDonald's. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's what he's having for supper, after working his rear
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Speaker 1: end off for her to cover her credit card debts.
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Speaker 1: And the shooter that she hit a ranged was waiting
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Speaker 1: for him near their garage and ambushed him as he
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Speaker 1: was unlocking a side door. You know, I don't even
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Speaker 1: know if he knew what hit him. But I can
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Speaker 1: tell you this, Meryl Streep, you better watch out, girl,
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Speaker 1: because this woman, this neely wed, then calls nine one
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Speaker 1: one and gets up in the ambulance with her husband
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Speaker 1: and drives in the ambulance to the hospital where he died.
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Speaker 1: Don't you know she was putting on some kind of show,
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Speaker 1: Robin will lends Keaton. Yeah, no, no question. She's a
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Speaker 1: shady character. She's a faker. She also, in her very
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Speaker 1: initial statement to the police claimed the old oh he
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Speaker 1: abused me, routie. Clearly that went nowhere. Nobody's fying, you know.
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Speaker 1: And you look the other defense that she are. I
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Speaker 1: want to hear this, Nancy, the other defense, the other
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Speaker 1: defense that was offered at trial. There were no domestic
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Speaker 1: violence witnesses there, but the defense lawyer argued that it
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Speaker 1: was the daughter who cooked up this plan to frame
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Speaker 1: her mother, and that in quote, this is a quote
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Speaker 1: from closing arguments talking about the daughter, this girl is
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Speaker 1: cold and diabolical. She went with them, she wanted to see.
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Speaker 1: In other words, this was the seventeen year old. And
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Speaker 1: by the way, she only really got caught because the
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old turned her into police. You know, it
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Speaker 1: just amazes me that a person light Lieutenant Walker, is
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Speaker 1: now dead all because of this disastrous relationship. You know,
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Speaker 1: I've read um in a lot of articles and research
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Speaker 1: that the single most important decision you make in life,
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Speaker 1: one of them, anyway, is who you marry. Boy. Truer
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Speaker 1: words were never spoken. It could give you a lifetime
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Speaker 1: of happiness or pure l your whole life. Okay, Robin Wilinski,
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Speaker 1: senior news anchor with the Blaze Network. I'm super grateful
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Speaker 1: you were here with all your gory details you brought in.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Robin, seriously, thank you. Yes, you do. We
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Speaker 1: all do you know? This is the thing with crime Finding,
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Speaker 1: there's never a lack of business. We're on the case.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Nancy Grace Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: signing off, goodbye friend,