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SERIAL KILLER REX HEUERMANN HEADS TO 'LITTLE SIBERIA" PRISON... ENJOY! · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Long Island serial killer Rex Hureman finally going to hell
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Speaker 2: and it's been a long time coming.
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Speaker 3: Is he dead?
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Speaker 2: Not yet, But the Gilgo beat serial killer is headed
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Speaker 2: to quote Little Siberia quote prison, one of New York
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Speaker 2: State's oldest prisons, and it's very bleak and isolated in
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Speaker 2: the frigid and Rondack mountains near the Canadian border. It's
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Speaker 2: known as Little Siberia Boo hoo, the infamous Clinton c
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Speaker 2: I and Danimore and New York. It opened back in
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Speaker 2: eighteen forty five, and it has housed some of our
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Speaker 2: countries most evil, most diabolical killers. In other words, he'll
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Speaker 2: fit writing in why do I say that sightings of
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Speaker 2: the victim's phone calls are from the victims? Train rides
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Speaker 2: by the victims, victims that left and never came back,
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Speaker 2: keeping a victim alive.
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Speaker 3: For days on and so he could play with him.
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Speaker 2: There are going to be more victims uncovered of the
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Speaker 2: Long Island serial killer Rex Hureman.
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Speaker 4: The calm, serene, almost grandfatherly image that Rex Human portrayed
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Speaker 4: since his arrest was a lie and quite frankly an
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Speaker 4: insult to both law enforcement, but more importantly the families
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Speaker 4: that had to endure that during every court appearance over
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Speaker 4: the last two and a half years. Today he was
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Speaker 4: exposed for exactly what he is. A sadistic, soulless murder monster.
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Speaker 5: This case closes and another one opens. You know, there
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Speaker 5: are still you know, bodies on that beach. There are
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Speaker 5: still bodies in Suffolk County. There's no rest for the weary.
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Speaker 5: We are going to continue to work with our partners
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Speaker 5: and to try to obtain closure for as many families
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Speaker 5: as we can.
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Speaker 2: That the police Commissioner and the Suffolk County District Attorney
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Speaker 2: speaking unmasked finally in court in lieu of a long trial,
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Speaker 2: a guilty plea. But just as we saw in the
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Speaker 2: Idaho case, the Idaho for four Beautiful University Idaho students
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Speaker 2: murdered generally speaking in their sleep by one person, Brian Coburger.
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Speaker 2: Once again, like in Coburger, we will never really know
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Speaker 2: the facts because there.
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Speaker 3: Is no trial now.
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Speaker 2: Unlike Idaho, where the death penalty does exist, in rex
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Speaker 2: Hureman's jurisdiction, you can kill as many people as you
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Speaker 2: want and there is no death penalty.
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Speaker 3: What does this mean for his wife's reality show?
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Speaker 2: That's certainly something to ponder straight out to Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: investigative reporter Dave Matt. Dave Matt a Long Island serial killer,
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Speaker 2: The Long Island serial killer Rex Hueman finally sneered in court.
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Speaker 6: What happened once this all hit court with the announcement
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Speaker 6: that he was changing his plea? A lot of people
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Speaker 6: were looking at Asa ellerup as you just mentioned, and
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Speaker 6: her reality show. It was a three part series that
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Speaker 6: included interviews with the couple's daughter, Victoria. And it looks
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Speaker 6: like now the cameras are going to continue to roll
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Speaker 6: and add additional episodes to the show called The Gilgo
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Speaker 6: Beach Killer House of Secrets. So it looks like that
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Speaker 6: show will continue.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm a little more interested.
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Speaker 2: Tonight, Dave Mack in the guilty Please, a sudden change
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Speaker 2: of plea throws the courtroom in an uproar. Rex Heureman,
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Speaker 2: the admitted Long Island serial killer, pleads guilty. In addition
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Speaker 2: to Dave Matt, Crime Story's investigative reporter joining us also tonight,
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Speaker 2: Josh Zeeman, investigative journalist, documentary film director. He's been on
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Speaker 2: the case from the very beginning, and he is the
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Speaker 2: director of the Killing Season. It's a docuseries that helped
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Speaker 2: shed new light on the Gilgo Beach murders. Josh, thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us. Describe what happened in court.
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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: It was a tense moment for sure, everybody waiting to
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Speaker 8: see if Rex would actually plead, and he did eight
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Speaker 8: separate times to these women. The question is, while he
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Speaker 8: was admitting these crimes, he never once turned back to
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Speaker 8: look at the families. He was smirking, And the question
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Speaker 8: is why was he smirking. Was he smirking because he
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Speaker 8: was forced to admit what he'd done, or because he
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Speaker 8: knew there were other victims out there that he was
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Speaker 8: getting away with.
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Speaker 2: You know, Josh, that is certainly a scary thought, scaring
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Speaker 2: even me who have actually prosecuted serial killers. Before smirking,
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Speaker 2: you know, I thought he was smirking at the victims'
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Speaker 2: families or at the justice system itself. But you again
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Speaker 2: have shed a whole new light on this. Is he
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Speaker 2: smirking because he knows there are other murder victims, other
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Speaker 2: defenseless women that he stripped, tortured and murdered, keeping them
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Speaker 2: alive in his dungeon basement for days and days on
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Speaker 2: end when his wife would be out of town.
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Speaker 3: We think days, and you believe there is.
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Speaker 2: A chance that he's smirking because he knows there are
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Speaker 2: other victims out there that haven't been found.
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Speaker 7: Absolutely, for sure, it's the tragic.
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Speaker 3: I'm curious, why do you say.
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Speaker 8: That, because we know the remains that were deposit on
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Speaker 8: Ocean Parkway. There's other folks. There's Asian Doe, Carmen Vargas,
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Speaker 8: There's numerous folks out there who and have you heard.
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Speaker 7: The district attorney say it himself?
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Speaker 8: You know there are other bodies on that beach, and
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Speaker 8: I was there at the press conference. He says, sometimes
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Speaker 8: it doesn't matter what I think, it matters what I
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Speaker 8: can prove. And so his next goal is to try
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Speaker 8: and prove it, to try and find these other victims,
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Speaker 8: identify some of them, and again bring Rex to justice
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Speaker 8: for these victims.
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Speaker 7: Tragic.
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Speaker 2: Mike Gougle joining US former Nessau County lieutenant, founding member
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Speaker 2: of the NYPD K nine unit. He's led multiple investigations
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Speaker 2: into serial killers, including the Gilgo Beach killer on Long Island,
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Speaker 2: also secret service to Presidents.
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Speaker 3: Mike, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: That has got to put a shiver down your spine
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Speaker 2: thinking that there are other victims. I mean, the guy
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Speaker 2: who's just in in the last hours pleading guilty to
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Speaker 2: multiple murders.
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Speaker 3: And these women weren't just bam, you're dead.
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Speaker 2: They were kidnapped, they were stripped, they were bound, they
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Speaker 2: were tortured for days on end while his wife was
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Speaker 2: away in his underground basement dungeon, and then ultimately murdered.
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Speaker 2: They went through hell, and I wonder, I wonder, Mike,
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Speaker 2: were they thinking of their children they would never see again.
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Speaker 2: It's excruciating for me. I hate to even imagine what
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Speaker 2: they went through. And now the specter brought up by
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Speaker 2: Josh Zeeman, and he's not wrong of other women out
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Speaker 2: there somewhere under the sand.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, no doubt about it.
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Speaker 9: Unfortunately, though, reck Youreman is not the only serial killer.
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Speaker 7: This is a very unique area I'm intimately familiar with.
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Speaker 9: I patrolled the area for almost seven years with police dogs.
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Speaker 9: I trained police dogs by Tate. Daytime, it's a beautiful
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Speaker 9: recreational area. At night, it's a haunting, haunting, dark, desolate area,
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Speaker 9: and it's proximity to JFK Airport Rex. Youwer men literally
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Speaker 9: live fifteen minute drive from here from the locations where
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Speaker 9: the bodies were, so it's a haunting place. There's no
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Speaker 9: doubt there's other bodies out there. The bodies have been
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Speaker 9: being dispersed out there since the eighties during the mafia
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Speaker 9: gang wars, So it's just a question of actually locating.
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Speaker 9: And of course, frankly, this is a very desolate area.
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Speaker 9: It's finding bodies is like finding a needle in a haystack.
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Speaker 3: Okay, this is something I don't understand.
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Speaker 2: You are a founding member of NYPD, and I speak
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Speaker 2: very highly of the NYPD. Like every LA law enforcement agency,
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Speaker 2: he's got its problems and it's bad apples, But you
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Speaker 2: are the pinnacle NYPD. That's who all the other pds
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Speaker 2: look up to.
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Speaker 7: Right.
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Speaker 2: It's very hard for me to believe that a canine
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Speaker 2: or a team of canines cannot find all the dead bodies.
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Speaker 2: Cadaver dogs, that's what I'm talking about.
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Speaker 7: One hundred percent. This is what crack this case.
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Speaker 9: A Suffolk County Police Department cadabit dog found the first victim.
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Speaker 9: Without that, there would be no DNA evidence. Without that, Obviously,
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Speaker 9: there was great work by all the DNA invest all
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Speaker 9: of those things, but without the bodies, you have a
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Speaker 9: very difficult case to prove. So dogs are considered in
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Speaker 9: court as scientific instruments to overcome warrantless searches. So there's
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Speaker 9: nothing like a dog to find odorless microscopic skin cells
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Speaker 9: that are dispersed. But again, this is a big area
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Speaker 9: on NANC. It's different terrain, there's sand, there's a lot
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Speaker 9: of vegetation, So again it's not a question of if
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Speaker 9: other bodies will be found in. I think the DA
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Speaker 9: spoke to this is just a matter of it's nothing
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Speaker 9: new to us New Yorkers that this has been. You
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Speaker 9: go from a high congested, highly trafficked, illuminated areas, you
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Speaker 9: drive ten minutes fifteen minutes from Kennedy Airport or Rex
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Speaker 9: Huberman's house, and it's creepy.
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Speaker 7: It's creepy.
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Speaker 9: I used to park my police car, turn the lights out,
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Speaker 9: and you could see five miles in either direction of
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Speaker 9: any cars coming or going. So guess what if the
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Speaker 9: police can do that, the bad guys can do the
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Speaker 9: exact same thing. There's no curves and there's a lot
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Speaker 9: of places to sneak and hide, So yeah, It's a creepy,
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Speaker 9: haunting place, and it's been that way for many men found.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Well, they say birds of a feather flocked together. The
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Speaker 2: former Manhattan architect kept a family man facade, but behind
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Speaker 2: that facade an evil killer Alurtt. Now we know of
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Speaker 2: at least eight to nine dead victims, but I believe
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Speaker 2: there are many, many more. He pled guilty to the
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Speaker 2: murders of eight women, and behind bars at Little Siberia
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Speaker 2: he will join the real killer Joel Rifkin and the
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Speaker 2: New York Zodiac killer Aribertosida. There are sixty feet high,
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Speaker 2: seven feet thick cement walls, according to reports, and it
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Speaker 2: is the largest maximum security lock up in the state.
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Speaker 2: Many of its very old cells are six x eight.
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Speaker 2: He will enjoy a still framed bed, a commode, a sink,
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Speaker 2: and a riding surface. Don't worry, he'll find a way
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Speaker 2: to break the rules. He'll end up with a private
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Speaker 2: iPad and somehow make money off a documentary, like his wife,
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Speaker 2: Asa Ellerp, who's made reportedly a million dollars plus on
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Speaker 2: her documentary Excuse Me Documentary for Peacock.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: She insists she wants her privacy After starring in a
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Speaker 2: documentary series, she claims she's moving to Iceland. Okay, bye,
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Speaker 2: these are the facts. It's very clear from what the
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Speaker 2: Suffolk County District Attorney Right Tierney said that he believes
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Speaker 2: there are other bodies on this beach. Why can't the
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Speaker 2: cadaver dogs find them?
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Speaker 9: They can, they have the capability of doing. First of all,
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Speaker 9: there's not a lot of cadaver dogs because there's not
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Speaker 9: a great need for them, so there's not a lot.
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Speaker 7: Of them, but they certainly could.
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Speaker 9: And there's volunteer organizations that train Cadavid dogs all over
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Speaker 9: the country. So yeah, it's just right. And they are
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Speaker 9: continuing searching. There was police activity out there the other night.
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Speaker 9: I don't know specifically for what reason.
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Speaker 7: So yeah, the.
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Speaker 9: Search is on. It's never going to end. And as
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Speaker 9: I said, it's nothing new. You can, as I said,
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Speaker 9: Rex lived fifteen to twenty minutes, you drive over a
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Speaker 9: bridge and you go from Long Island to a desolate
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Speaker 9: You don't have to drive a body upstate New York.
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Speaker 9: You don't have to drive two or three hours like
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Speaker 9: in Goodfellows to dump the body upstate New York when
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Speaker 9: you can literally drive ten minutes from Queens Brooklyn, and
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Speaker 9: you're in this. It's like an alternate universe out there.
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Speaker 9: No lights, no stores, very little police activity. Police don't
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Speaker 9: patrol there because there's nothing out there in the winter.
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Speaker 9: By day again it's a beautiful recreational there. By night
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Speaker 9: there's nothing out there, and it's.
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Speaker 7: Continues that way today.
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Speaker 9: I was just down there the other night at one
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Speaker 9: o'clock in the morning, and it's eerie.
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Speaker 7: There's nothing. There's no rescue workers.
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Speaker 9: I mean, if you call nine one one, you know
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Speaker 9: there's a fifteen or twenty minute response time minimally because
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Speaker 9: they got to go over bridges, three miles of bridges
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Speaker 9: to get to this barren beach area control room.
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Speaker 2: I want to see the victims' faces, and I want
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Speaker 2: to see them close up, not a distant shot, all
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Speaker 2: of them in a group.
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Speaker 3: I want to.
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Speaker 2: See their faces, one by one.
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Speaker 3: Look at them. They begged for their lives. They begged
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Speaker 3: to go back to their children.
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Speaker 2: They promised they wouldn't tell, they promised they wouldn't call police.
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Speaker 3: Instead, they were.
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Speaker 2: Stripped, bound, tortured, raped, murdered, and their bodies buried along
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Speaker 2: a lonely stretch of beach.
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Speaker 3: And Rex Hueman stands in court smirking.
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Speaker 2: Why why because they died and he lives. Because he's
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Speaker 2: now going to be treated like the teacher's pet by
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Speaker 2: the FBI profilers.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
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Speaker 2: There're going to be many, many interviews by the FBI
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Speaker 2: profiling him this piece of crap, and I guarantee you
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Speaker 2: one day he'll take part in his own documentary and
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Speaker 2: there will be money.
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Speaker 3: Made off of it. It's happening. Put money on it.
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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan joining me, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University,
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Speaker 2: author of bestseller Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He
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Speaker 2: is the star of a hit podcast, Body Bags with
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Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan. But for my purposes tonight. He is
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Speaker 2: a death investigator, a very experienced veteran death investigator, with
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Speaker 2: over ten thousand death scenes of all sorts under his belt,
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Speaker 2: over ten thousand. I first met him when I was
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Speaker 2: a prosecutor int Intercity, Atlanta and he was working for
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Speaker 2: the Medical Examiner's Office at that time. That's a long
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Speaker 2: time ago, Joe Scott, and you haven't let up. You
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Speaker 2: like me, like Gould, like Zeeman, have walked the beach.
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Speaker 2: Do you concur with Gould's comments, explain.
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Speaker 10: Absolutely, and let me tell you why. You know, obviously
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Speaker 10: you can hear my voice. I'm from the south, and
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Speaker 10: you know, we think about the rural areas down here.
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Speaker 10: You get up into this region and you leave what
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Speaker 10: they refer to as the city. When you leave the
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Speaker 10: city and you're heading out, you know, as mister Gould
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Speaker 10: had mentioned just a moment ago, you get there, this
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Speaker 10: is rural. This is what they consider going to the country.
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Speaker 10: And it's not it's not an unfair description because it
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Speaker 10: does go dark really, really quickly. And here's the thing.
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Speaker 10: My good buddy, Sergeant Joe Jack Loan, he took me
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Speaker 10: to the location where the Gilgo bodies were actually found.
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Speaker 10: And one of the things that I came away from
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Speaker 10: from that visit to that location was the fact that
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Speaker 10: one side of the roadway you've got this marshy area.
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Speaker 10: It is prohibitive for anybody to go into there. You've
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Speaker 10: got briars and brambles and everything else on that side.
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Speaker 10: On the other side, you can hear the waves crashing
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Speaker 10: and you can't see your hand in front of your
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Speaker 10: face out there at night. It would not surprise me
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Speaker 10: at all if there were more. He's saying at the beach,
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Speaker 10: Tierney is I'm thinking probably along the sound side over there,
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Speaker 10: where you can quickly deposit the bodies in that location
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Speaker 10: and nobody's going to be any the wiser out there.
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Speaker 10: I think that probably when he did this, he was
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Speaker 10: hoping for something, maybe like title changes that are going
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Speaker 10: to sweep the bodies out. It's an easy dump to
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Speaker 10: do this. He can pull them out of this avalanche,
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Speaker 10: which by the way, they had recovered down in South Carolina,
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Speaker 10: and they would just be gone. They would vanish and
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Speaker 10: right he was to a certain degree, but that yet
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Speaker 10: there they remained. And to mister Goule's comment, those dogs
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Speaker 10: are heroes, you know, because they went out there. They
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Speaker 10: took those dogs out there and they actually found these remains.
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Speaker 10: Is it possible they could go out there and find more. Yeah,
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Speaker 10: I think that there can. Because this is an extensive area, Nancy.
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Speaker 10: It would take so much manpower to get out there
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Speaker 10: and cover every square inch of this area or every
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Speaker 10: square mile. They haven't even scratched the surface yet. And
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Speaker 10: you have to be purpose.
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Speaker 2: Hey, look, Scott, look, look, look, look, look, this is
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Speaker 2: video obtained by ABC seven. Look at him. I just
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Speaker 2: want the viewers to know what they're seeing. Joe Scott,
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Speaker 2: there he is, and I know exactly where he is.
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Speaker 2: Nobody needs to tell me.
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Speaker 3: He's leaving his office.
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Speaker 2: See he's got his messenger bag over his shoulder. He's
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Speaker 2: leaving his office, which was a stone's throw to Pen Station,
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Speaker 2: and there he would catch the pen I've been there
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Speaker 2: many many times. To imagine this demon walking amongst all
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Speaker 2: the ladies catching trains at Penn Station, going straight out
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Speaker 2: to Long Island to commit murders.
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Speaker 3: There he goes. He truly is a demon walking among us.
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Speaker 2: That is what the DA said. Sorry to interrupt, Jo Scott,
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Speaker 2: keep going on. I just wanted the viewers to know
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Speaker 2: what they were seeing.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, and when I think about who else he could
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Speaker 10: have victimized, how many more are there? I think there's
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Speaker 10: a high probability that there are these bodies. But Nancy,
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Speaker 10: if we could just return to the victims specifically, just
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Speaker 10: for a second, this allocution, let me just put it
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Speaker 10: to you, this way is lacking, okay, because you know
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Speaker 10: what we got out of him, and yeah, I mean
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Speaker 10: it confirmed some things we got him saying. Strangulation, strangulation, strangulation, strangulation,
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Speaker 10: but there's no more detail there. I'm very disappointed that
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Speaker 10: his feet were not held to the fire. You know,
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Speaker 10: you had mentioned his torture chamber, which I think that
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Speaker 10: this location was. Josh has talked about how these people,
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Speaker 10: these poor victims, were kept alive down there, and yet
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Speaker 10: there's no more detail about what he did. I don't
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Speaker 10: know that people fully appreciate the depth and breadth of
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Speaker 10: how evil he is. He is demonic, in my opinion,
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Speaker 10: with what he did to these poor souls, and we
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Speaker 10: will never know that information. All I have to do
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Speaker 10: I look back at the template of the way Kansas
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Speaker 10: handled BTK, and we don't have that here. It's left
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Speaker 10: wanting to say the very least. And I think the
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Speaker 10: families need to understand that. I think the courts need
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Speaker 10: to understand that. But yet here he is. He's going
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Speaker 10: to get three hots and a cot and oh, by
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Speaker 10: the way, yeah, the boys from the FBI are going
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Speaker 10: to come down. They're going to sit with him, and
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Speaker 10: they're going to interview him extensively, right, and he is
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Speaker 10: going to hold a level of celebrity. And that is
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Speaker 10: probably one of the most vomit inducing things I can
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Speaker 10: think of relative to this monster Nancy.
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Speaker 5: This defendant walked among us, play acting as a normal
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Speaker 5: suburban dad, when in reality, all along he was obsessively
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Speaker 5: targeting innocent women for death. He identified these women, lured
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Speaker 5: them into Nassau County, murdered them, and left their bodies
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Speaker 5: in Suffolk County. He thought that by killing them he
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Speaker 5: could silence them forever and get away with murder. But
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Speaker 5: he was wrong because it was these victims, these women,
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Speaker 5: who refused to stay.
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Speaker 2: Styling in the last days, the Long Island serial killer
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Speaker 2: in court, snared, admitting, yes, he is the Long Island
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Speaker 2: serial killer, but he's not the only one on the
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Speaker 2: hot seat tonight.
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Speaker 3: The question everyone keeps asking is how did.
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Speaker 9: You not know?
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Speaker 4: The Gilgo Forum was one of America's longest serial killer
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Speaker 4: cold cases.
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Speaker 3: After thirteen years, this bombshell drops.
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Speaker 5: Rex Huerman, architect, father, husband.
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Speaker 7: He basically was the person that lived next door.
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Speaker 8: He was a monster, living a double life.
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Speaker 2: One person is saying this, one person saying that, but
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Speaker 2: my memory says this.
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Speaker 7: There's so much evidence against you. I don't even believe you,
22:26
Speaker 7: and you're my best friend. Convince me give me something.
22:29
Speaker 7: Did you do it?
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Speaker 10: Rex Huerman insists through his lawyer that he's innocent.
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Speaker 4: Is it possible that no family ever suspected that something
22:40
Speaker 4: was off about this guy?
22:43
Speaker 5: The most mysterious figure is Rex's wife.
22:46
Speaker 2: The investigator says to me, have you heard about the
22:49
Speaker 2: murders on Gilgo Beach?
22:52
Speaker 3: I've heard of them.
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Speaker 10: The idea that the wife didn't know anything was hard
22:57
Speaker 10: to believe.
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Speaker 3: Does everybody really leave everything they hear?
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Speaker 7: How you doing?
23:10
Speaker 2: I'm doing great now that I've got you on the phone.
23:15
Speaker 2: How ironic that Asa Elera, the wife of the Long
23:20
Speaker 2: Island serial killer, says, does everybody believe everything they hear?
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Speaker 3: Woman?
23:26
Speaker 2: What were you deaf? Dub and blind? You couldn't see,
23:30
Speaker 2: you couldn't hear, You couldn't speak of the evil happening
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Speaker 2: in your basement often while you're at home?
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Speaker 3: Bs on it, bs on you, woman.
23:42
Speaker 2: That's from the Gilgo Beach Killer House of Secrets, their
23:45
Speaker 2: official trailer, the family of Rex Huerman getting a purported
23:51
Speaker 2: one million dollars to participate in that special documentary Blood Money,
24:02
Speaker 2: Blood Money? How do you think that makes the families
24:07
Speaker 2: of these dead women feel? These women kidnapped, tortured, raped, murdered,
24:13
Speaker 2: their bodies sometimes dismembered, and disposed of. How do they
24:17
Speaker 2: feel about his wife getting a cool million?
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Speaker 3: It schevs me out totally.
24:26
Speaker 2: I feel filthy and nauseous all at the same time.
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Speaker 3: Just watching the trailer, Dave.
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Speaker 6: Matt What, Nancy, It's one of those shocking things that
24:37
Speaker 6: just pushes you over the edge that Asa Elera is
24:41
Speaker 6: the ex wife of Rex Schuerman being featured and getting
24:44
Speaker 6: paid for this multi part documentary. Now, Nancy, they're adding
24:51
Speaker 6: adding new episodes to this this show. The docu series
24:58
Speaker 6: is called you know the Gilbil Beat Kill Her House
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Speaker 6: of Secrets, But now that the secrets are out, Asa
25:04
Speaker 6: Ellrup is going to be adding episodes. But Nancy claiming
25:08
Speaker 6: all along the family knew nothing. In court, Asa Ellerup
25:13
Speaker 6: is sitting behind Rex and she's seemingly shocked. She's sitting
25:19
Speaker 6: on the edge of the seat. She's gripping the seat
25:21
Speaker 6: with her hands.
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Speaker 7: You can see the.
25:23
Speaker 6: Knuckles, and it's like she's acting like she just can't
25:25
Speaker 6: believe what she's hearing. And there's a suggestion that she
25:28
Speaker 6: didn't believe any of it until he said he did it.
25:32
Speaker 6: But Nancy, I'm with you, like many how can you
25:35
Speaker 6: live in this house? Which, by the way, when you
25:38
Speaker 6: look at the home that Rex Huerman and his family
25:42
Speaker 6: lived in his home from his childhood, it looks like
25:45
Speaker 6: the monster's home compared to the other houses on the street.
25:49
Speaker 6: It looks like evil exists in this house. She's living
25:53
Speaker 6: there with this man. Well, you know a decade.
25:56
Speaker 3: You know what, Dave Matt.
25:57
Speaker 2: If it looks like a duck and walks like a
26:00
Speaker 2: duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: I mentioned Sida, the Zodiac killer. He shot and stabbed
26:19
Speaker 2: as victims. He was caught just before he could kill
26:22
Speaker 2: twelve people representing all the zodiac signs. Oh dear gravy.
26:28
Speaker 2: Now a third killer, a third serial killer, Altimio Sanchez
26:31
Speaker 2: housed of there. He had seventy five years to life.
26:34
Speaker 2: At the same prison, he was known as the bike
26:38
Speaker 2: Path rapist. He murdered three women in western New York.
26:42
Speaker 2: Also noted killers include the MIYPD officer of Michael Valva,
26:48
Speaker 2: who was convicted in the freezing death of his autistic
26:51
Speaker 2: little boy just eight years old. Now, there was one
26:55
Speaker 2: jailbreak by David Sweat and Michard Matt that was in
26:58
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. How did they get out because two prison employees,
27:02
Speaker 2: including Joyce Mitchell, a sewing instructor who was sleeping with
27:07
Speaker 2: the killers, helped them smuggle tools into the facility. They
27:11
Speaker 2: cut their way through steel cell walls and then got
27:14
Speaker 2: through a maze of wiring hallways, cut through a steam pipe,
27:19
Speaker 2: and came through a manhole outside the walls. After three
27:22
Speaker 2: weeks they were found all of his new friends and
27:26
Speaker 2: their exploits aside, these are the facts surrounding serial killer
27:29
Speaker 2: Rex Heureman joining us in addition to Dave Mack, Josh Zeeman,
27:35
Speaker 2: investigative journalist and director of the Killing season, shining a
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Speaker 2: new light on the Gilgo Beach murders.
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Speaker 3: Tell me about Asa.
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Speaker 2: Ellrope in Court and what if anything you know about
27:48
Speaker 2: her documentary series? Okay, that's total BS documentary series, my
27:54
Speaker 2: rear end.
27:56
Speaker 3: What can you tell.
27:57
Speaker 2: Us about her show where she's getting a purported million
28:02
Speaker 2: dollars and now additional episodes? I mean, come on, Josh,
28:06
Speaker 2: don't you know she wanted this thing to go to trial,
28:09
Speaker 2: So in between every break where the juror has got
28:12
Speaker 2: a diet coke or a cup of coffee, she could
28:14
Speaker 2: go out and cry and carry on with her histrionics
28:18
Speaker 2: for the cameras to aff for her reality show. Maybe
28:21
Speaker 2: make another million dollars, Josh Zemon.
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Speaker 8: Look, I heard that she wasn't getting paid until the
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Speaker 8: final episode aired. You know it is a shock about it.
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Speaker 8: I agree with you completely blood money. I will tell
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Speaker 8: you this. I was in the courtroom and right when
28:36
Speaker 8: Rex admitted to it, I looked back and I saw
28:38
Speaker 8: his daughter, and his daughter was she was crushed. I
28:44
Speaker 8: feel bad for the daughter. I don't feel bad for
28:46
Speaker 8: the wife. I feel bad for the daughter, who I
28:49
Speaker 8: think is crushed that this man that she loved is
28:52
Speaker 8: now a terrifying serial killer.
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Speaker 3: That's one thing I will.
28:55
Speaker 2: Tell you, Okay, I get that. What I'm asking about
29:01
Speaker 2: is asa ellerup and her reality show. I don't care
29:05
Speaker 2: that she may not get all the money till the
29:08
Speaker 2: last episode. Is from what I can tell, there may
29:12
Speaker 2: not ever be a last episode in our lifetime because
29:14
Speaker 2: they're still digging up bodies.
29:16
Speaker 3: It's great, it's great, thinky you know what.
29:19
Speaker 8: Look, I'll tell you something. You know what the lawyer said.
29:21
Speaker 8: The lawyer said when asked about it, her lawyer said,
29:25
Speaker 8: this is what America wants, and that's the real question,
29:28
Speaker 8: do we want this or not?
29:30
Speaker 2: My little question is why don't they have the death penalty?
29:32
Speaker 2: But that's a whole other can of worms. Yeah, what America.
29:35
Speaker 3: Wants is justice, But is that justice? Him smirking in court?
29:39
Speaker 2: And you and I were talking earlier with Joe Scott
29:42
Speaker 2: Morgan about him being treated like the little darling, the
29:45
Speaker 2: teacher's pet, the bear behind the cage getting fed Filet Mignon.
29:53
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to get that close to him, but they
29:55
Speaker 2: will feed him with a long handlespoon. That said, he's
29:58
Speaker 2: going to be study and questioned. The FBI Behavioral Analysis
30:04
Speaker 2: Unit is going to have a field day with him.
30:06
Speaker 2: He may get to travel to them. I mean, I
30:10
Speaker 2: guarantee you, Josh, that there will be a day like
30:14
Speaker 2: Brian Coburger, that he will take part in some sort
30:16
Speaker 2: of documentary and he won't make any money, but there
30:21
Speaker 2: will be a way for money to be funneled to
30:23
Speaker 2: him through his wife, through his family. I don't know how,
30:27
Speaker 2: but he will find a way. He lived quite the
30:30
Speaker 2: dual life, did he not.
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Speaker 8: Look this was a guy who created these two separate
30:35
Speaker 8: personas that of a father, a commuter working in New
30:39
Speaker 8: York City, and that of a monster. And I think
30:42
Speaker 8: that was really important to him to create these dual personalities,
30:45
Speaker 8: one allowing him to work on the other who was
30:48
Speaker 8: a hero to his family, theoretically so that he could
30:51
Speaker 8: kill at night.
30:52
Speaker 3: It's terrified Dave matt who is suing.
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Speaker 6: Eleurope Benjamin Torre. He is the thirty two year old
31:02
Speaker 6: son of victim Valerie Mack. He is naming Rex Hureman, obviously,
31:07
Speaker 6: but in this million dollar lawsuit he names Asa Elera
31:11
Speaker 6: and daughter Victoria Huerman as defendants. Torres alleges that he
31:16
Speaker 6: was deprived of his mother's care and protection, claims Mack
31:19
Speaker 6: was tortured before her death, and the suit seeks damages
31:24
Speaker 6: and targets the prophets allegedly earned bielerap in Victoria Huerman
31:28
Speaker 6: from the Peacock documentary that we've been talking about. I'm
31:32
Speaker 6: saying that human's life being shown like this is a
31:37
Speaker 6: callous disregard to the victims' families.
31:41
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just imagining what the victims' families have
31:45
Speaker 2: gone through. They went for years thinking maybe their mothers
31:50
Speaker 2: just left them, abandoned them. How do you like to
31:54
Speaker 2: grow up thinking that mom just left? I don't know
31:57
Speaker 2: where she is. She didn't love me enough to stay
32:00
Speaker 2: with me or even stay in touch with me. I
32:03
Speaker 2: grew up without a mother. And then they find out,
32:06
Speaker 2: for all those years that they blamed their mom, that
32:09
Speaker 2: their mom had been tortured and raped and murdered and
32:15
Speaker 2: their remains buried on a desolate beach. Just growing up
32:21
Speaker 2: in itself has all sorts of trauma and issues pile
32:25
Speaker 2: that on top. I don't know how these people even
32:27
Speaker 2: get out of bed in the morning. To Joseph Scott
32:31
Speaker 2: Morgan explain what was done to these victims? And you
32:39
Speaker 2: know what, when we show their faces, Joe Scott, it's
32:41
Speaker 2: easy to go, oh, there's a long one serial killer victims.
32:45
Speaker 2: I would have to make your rs and I didn't
32:48
Speaker 2: like it any more than they did. Make them confront
32:54
Speaker 2: what really happened to these ladies, what they endured before
33:00
Speaker 2: their deaths.
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Speaker 3: What happened to them, Joe Scott.
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Speaker 10: The worst possible torture that you can imagine. Can we
33:08
Speaker 10: reflect back just for a second to think about this list.
33:12
Speaker 10: Do you remember the list, Nancy, This kind of assignment
33:16
Speaker 10: of task that he had created. Nancy, There's there's one
33:20
Speaker 10: part in this list that he had created where it says,
33:24
Speaker 10: by the bye, don't don't forget to remove the hands
33:28
Speaker 10: and the head and to wash the bodies. Just let's
33:32
Speaker 10: just meditate on that, just for a second, of how
33:36
Speaker 10: dark this whole thing is. And if it happened once,
33:40
Speaker 10: it happened multiple times. And that's that's in death. Lord
33:45
Speaker 10: only knows what had happened in life, down in that
33:50
Speaker 10: dark dark space as he is torturing these poor victims.
33:56
Speaker 10: And here's the here's the real shame. Just like Ted Bunny,
34:00
Speaker 10: we will hear his name over and over and over
34:05
Speaker 10: and over again. Guess what. Guess what. There are very
34:10
Speaker 10: few people that can go down the list of Ted
34:11
Speaker 10: Bundy's victims and name them. I submit to you that
34:17
Speaker 10: the names of these victims will be forgotten. And I
34:20
Speaker 10: hate to say that it's very callous, but his name
34:22
Speaker 10: will trump everything else. He'll be mentioned over and over
34:25
Speaker 10: and over again, and people need to remember this. This
34:28
Speaker 10: is why, when I think about the allocution, why he
34:31
Speaker 10: should be compelled to talk about what These are individuals.
34:36
Speaker 10: They had lives, they had families, and the torture that
34:39
Speaker 10: they were subjected to is stuff that you can't even
34:41
Speaker 10: imagine in your wildest dreams. It's stuff that you think
34:46
Speaker 10: about war crimes. People that commit war crimes didn't do
34:48
Speaker 10: stuff like this. You know, one thing that I reflectively
34:52
Speaker 10: think back to in this list, there's a one point
34:56
Speaker 10: where he actually uses the term hard point, and that
34:59
Speaker 10: really with me. And the hard point was a location
35:03
Speaker 10: commonly where you secure something like, for instance, an eye
35:08
Speaker 10: an eye hook in the ceiling where you can tie
35:10
Speaker 10: somebody up, you can hang them almost like a piece
35:13
Speaker 10: of beef, or if you're feel dressing a deer and
35:17
Speaker 10: talking about the context of that, you know, what's your
35:19
Speaker 10: purpose for doing that? Rex? You know, why would you
35:22
Speaker 10: need a hard point? I know he's an architect. He
35:24
Speaker 10: probably uses that term from the descriptor of building something out,
35:29
Speaker 10: but that's not what he used that for, Nancy. He
35:31
Speaker 10: used that to secure these individuals so he could work
35:34
Speaker 10: out these sick fantasies. And you know, they're paying the price.
35:39
Speaker 10: They're paying the price to satiate these evil desires that
35:42
Speaker 10: he has, and they are not going to be memorialized.
35:45
Speaker 10: I am truly hoping. I am so glad you brought
35:48
Speaker 10: up this gentleman who is suing, because maybe there will
35:52
Speaker 10: be relief in civil court where they will have to
35:56
Speaker 10: talk about this stuff. They will have to talk about
35:58
Speaker 10: what happened in her domicile that she was living in
36:02
Speaker 10: with her kids. This was all going on under her
36:05
Speaker 10: nose in that basement she inhabited the space. Let's hear it,
36:09
Speaker 10: you know, let the hide come with a hair, and
36:11
Speaker 10: let's hear what they have to say about this and
36:14
Speaker 10: what went on in that house. You're not gonna get
36:16
Speaker 10: in civil court, I mean in criminal court, because he's
36:18
Speaker 10: not gonna be forced touched by at this point. But
36:20
Speaker 10: in the civil court, maybe these families will get some
36:23
Speaker 10: relief and they will be able to see what he
36:26
Speaker 10: had done, and you can parade all of the experts
36:29
Speaker 10: across the stand. In civil court, you can get transcripts,
36:32
Speaker 10: you can do depositions, and they're going to talk about it,
36:35
Speaker 10: and I hope, I hope they go forward with it.
36:37
Speaker 10: I hope every family member out there that suffered at
36:40
Speaker 10: his hands will file suit and we're gonna find out
36:43
Speaker 10: what actually happened down there in that basement.
36:46
Speaker 2: And recall Joe Scott that asa Ellerp's hair was actually
36:50
Speaker 2: found on Valerie Max's body, which opens up a whole
36:54
Speaker 2: nother cannon worms. I'd like to go back to what
36:57
Speaker 2: the control room was showing while you were talking, Joe Scott,
37:02
Speaker 2: I guess in your world, as do I. I make
37:04
Speaker 2: lists all the time, so I can't forget what all
37:07
Speaker 2: I have to do. Don't hunt too long in one
37:11
Speaker 2: area because you'll be seen. Don't charge for your gas,
37:16
Speaker 2: check for video cameras in the pickup area. The next
37:19
Speaker 2: time you kidnap your victim, hit the victim harder, make
37:25
Speaker 2: it easier to quote take them down a hit to
37:28
Speaker 2: the face or the neck next time, which means he
37:31
Speaker 2: didn't hit the victim in the right place for him
37:33
Speaker 2: the first time, and she fought back. You need more
37:36
Speaker 2: sleep before the murders. You need to control the noise
37:40
Speaker 2: and more quote playtime. In other words, torture hang drop
37:44
Speaker 2: claws from the ceiling with pushpins, not tape, because the
37:49
Speaker 2: drop claws become loose during the rapes and the torture.
37:55
Speaker 2: Use heavy rope for the neck. Light rope broke under
37:59
Speaker 2: this tree of being tightened. Now that sun and all
38:04
Speaker 2: the victims' families have to think about how tightly ropes
38:08
Speaker 2: were cinched around their mother's neck. Props, toys, wood items, wood,
38:15
Speaker 2: items for what, destroy books, computer files, anything that touched
38:22
Speaker 2: t one, I guess the victim. Dispose of plastic bags,
38:30
Speaker 2: remove marks from the torture. What does that mean when
38:34
Speaker 2: he cut out portions of their skin, remove head and hands.
38:38
Speaker 10: Yeah, you're talking about excision there, Nancy. Excision is say,
38:42
Speaker 10: for instance, you have a sharp instrument and you have
38:45
Speaker 10: an insult to the skin. For instance, you have a mark,
38:48
Speaker 10: an abrasion, a contusion, whatever it is. He's talking about
38:52
Speaker 10: excizing that area, actually cutting.
38:54
Speaker 2: Out the cutting and out, cutting out the tattoo from
38:58
Speaker 2: the skin.
38:59
Speaker 3: That's what joe'st is saying.
39:00
Speaker 2: And he's right now here are his problems to the
39:03
Speaker 2: panel DNA, that's a problem.
39:05
Speaker 3: Tire marks for him, that's a problem.
39:07
Speaker 2: Bloodstain's fingerprints, plastic bag he had cap litter to get
39:13
Speaker 2: rid of the smell. This guy, look at this all
39:19
Speaker 2: the supplies booti's acid lie a police scanner, cutting tools
39:25
Speaker 2: here and nets burn can drain cleaner tarps, electric clips,
39:32
Speaker 2: large electric clips for what Joe Scott to put on
39:38
Speaker 2: the victims' bodies and electrocute them as torture.
39:41
Speaker 3: Why would he need electric clips?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, to send voltage to their bodies. Because he's he
39:47
Speaker 10: is experiencing this is he wants to see the pain,
39:51
Speaker 10: He wants to see the resistance. He wants to see
39:53
Speaker 10: their reaction to the terror that he's inflicting upon them. Okay,
39:57
Speaker 10: they know that something horrible is coming, that horror being
40:00
Speaker 10: their end. But what's happening before they get to that death,
40:06
Speaker 10: which probably at the end of the day, many of
40:09
Speaker 10: them were probably begging for Nancy at that point. I
40:12
Speaker 10: think the big question is we know these eight victims
40:17
Speaker 10: that he has admitted to. I want to know how
40:19
Speaker 10: many more women were brought down there and subjected to
40:22
Speaker 10: the same torture in this environment. You know, Lord only knows,
40:27
Speaker 10: you know. One of the things I think about is
40:30
Speaker 10: the DNA recovery down there in that area. I really
40:34
Speaker 10: wonder how many unknown bits of DNA may have been recovered,
40:38
Speaker 10: What was the opportunity, how much had it degraded. There's
40:41
Speaker 10: so many unanswered.
40:41
Speaker 1: Quis crime stories with Nancy Grace.
40:54
Speaker 2: Finally gil Go beat serial killer Rex Hereman. Head Straight
40:57
Speaker 2: to Hell aka Little Siberia, a prison the dates all
41:03
Speaker 2: the way back to the eighteen forties and is in
41:06
Speaker 2: the frigid Adirondacks on the American Canadian border enjoy. These
41:13
Speaker 2: are the facts to Josh Zeeman, joining US, director of
41:18
Speaker 2: The Killing Season, an entire docuseries that profiled and shed
41:23
Speaker 2: light on the Long Island serial killings. I noticed on
41:27
Speaker 2: his list he wanted more photo film his words, So
41:30
Speaker 2: obviously he took pictures during the torture or after.
41:37
Speaker 8: In fact, Nancy, there are believed to be one hundred
41:40
Speaker 8: thousand pictures that the disc attorney has had to go
41:44
Speaker 8: through that the FBI helped to even organize one hundred thousand.
41:49
Speaker 8: What's amazing is this guy took all these precautions to
41:52
Speaker 8: try not to get caught, yet still this was all
41:55
Speaker 8: sitting on his computer, this document, this planning document, it's
41:58
Speaker 8: called the HK plan document Hunt and Kill Planning Document.
42:03
Speaker 8: He was sitting in this edge in the bites of
42:05
Speaker 8: his computer that he could not erase. So despite all
42:08
Speaker 8: these things that he had done, it was still there.
42:12
Speaker 8: And thank god they were able to get this. He
42:14
Speaker 8: was actually you talk about this house looking so ramshackle.
42:18
Speaker 8: He's a hoarder. He hoarded all these old items, old
42:22
Speaker 8: pom pilots. There were palm pilots that they found that
42:25
Speaker 8: basically gave the dates of what he was doing and
42:27
Speaker 8: going that actually mentioned his wife being away at times
42:32
Speaker 8: and he would go and find a victim. So he
42:34
Speaker 8: hoarded everything, including all these pieces of evidence. He also had.
42:40
Speaker 8: The most shocking thing is he had newspaper articles, thirty
42:44
Speaker 8: year old newspaper articles in his bedroom, in his office,
42:47
Speaker 8: in his basement of all his crimes. So for some
42:50
Speaker 8: guy who's such an architect and such a great planner,
42:54
Speaker 8: he still kept all these mementos that basically nailed them
42:58
Speaker 8: to a wall for these killings.
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Speaker 2: Mike Guild Special Guest former nessa county lieutenant founding member
43:05
Speaker 2: of the NYPD K nine unit, led multiple investigations into
43:10
Speaker 2: serial killers, including this case. Mike, after all your work,
43:15
Speaker 2: all your time, literally blood, sweat and tears, how does
43:20
Speaker 2: it make you feel that this guy he might be
43:24
Speaker 2: sentenced consecutively won after the next half the next but
43:27
Speaker 2: bottom line, he gets.
43:28
Speaker 3: One life sentence for everything he did.
43:33
Speaker 9: Yeah, Nancy, it's sickening. This is a true animal monster,
43:36
Speaker 9: whatever you want to call it. But what's most disturbing.
43:38
Speaker 9: He could be at your next dinner party. He was
43:40
Speaker 9: an architect, he's very well respected in the community. You
43:44
Speaker 9: know what I think about As I said, I patrolled
43:46
Speaker 9: this Areosion Parkway from nineteen ninety two to nineteen ninety nine,
43:50
Speaker 9: when Frankly, these bodies were disposed of. But here's the
43:54
Speaker 9: sad reality. I could have pulled him over. He has
43:57
Speaker 9: a license registration, and he could I had a body
44:00
Speaker 9: in his trunk. He's a duck hunter, and he's a
44:03
Speaker 9: member of the community. I would have probably let him go.
44:06
Speaker 9: There would be no reason for me to suspect because
44:08
Speaker 9: sociopaths are very manipulative. As I said, he could be
44:12
Speaker 9: He's just somebody's next door neighbor.
44:14
Speaker 7: He could be at. So that's what's the most troubling
44:17
Speaker 7: to me, is you never know the evil at lurks
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Speaker 7: in anybody's mind.
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Speaker 2: Frankly, Mike Gould a special guest tonight. He worked the
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Speaker 2: Long Island serial killer case. Mike, what you said is chilling, eerie,
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Speaker 2: and I know it to be true. And when I
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Speaker 2: think of what Josh Zeeman just said about over one
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Speaker 2: hundred thousand photos of these dead women during torture, during rapes,
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Speaker 2: and their families have to live with that the rest
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Speaker 2: of their lives. I mean, I feel, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: robbed by this altiplay and I don't know why.
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Speaker 11: Yes, so this is a heinous crime. We can't you
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Speaker 11: can't fathom insanity. How can a normal functioning person, As
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Speaker 11: I said, this could be anyone. Nobody's immune to this.
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Speaker 9: This could be a priest, that could be any member
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Speaker 9: of your community, a family member.
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Speaker 7: They're devious and they live double lives.
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Speaker 9: If you look at all his notes, those are the
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Speaker 9: notes of an architecture.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 9: Architects are very meticulous and they have to learn from
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Speaker 9: their last architectural drawings.
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Speaker 7: So when you look at that, this is a checklist
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Speaker 7: police scanners. He had probably.
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Speaker 9: Thought about how what he was going to say if
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Speaker 9: somebody like myself pulled him over in the middle of
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Speaker 9: the night on Ocean Park, where I'm sure he had.
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Speaker 7: A very well reasoned excuse.
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Speaker 9: So this is this is a sadistic maniac, and we
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Speaker 9: can scratch our head from now to eternity trying to
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Speaker 9: figure out what how a sociopath thinks, how they get
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Speaker 9: some side of type of enjoyment from mutilating people. It's
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Speaker 9: not on our radar screen. It's certainly not a my
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Speaker 9: radar screen. So yeah, I fortunately for me, I've been
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Speaker 9: doing this stuff so long, I have a way of
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Speaker 9: just isolating those thoughts and the emotions. I'm kind of
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Speaker 9: emotionally detached from a lot of this, So a lot
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Speaker 9: of it I frankly don't even listen to as I
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Speaker 9: just kind of avoid it, stick with the facts of
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Speaker 9: the case.
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Speaker 7: But yeah, he's a monster, period.
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Speaker 2: Karen Stark, what advice, what words of consolation or hope
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Speaker 2: can you give the victims' families?
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Speaker 12: Well, the best you could do in a case like this, Nancy,
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Speaker 12: is to actually talk to them, advise them to get help,
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Speaker 12: to keep talking it out, because it really makes a difference.
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Speaker 12: And it's really hard because they're aware of the torture.
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Speaker 12: They just like you, right, they can't fathom it, and
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Speaker 12: they can put themselves in the place of the victim,
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Speaker 12: which is terrible to imagine what they went through. And
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Speaker 12: he does this because he gets a charge out of it.
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Speaker 12: That smirk is showing you how much he enjoys this.
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Speaker 12: And there is no doubt in my mind that he
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Speaker 12: pleaded guilty because he didn't want to go over the details.
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Speaker 12: He has very specific details that he wants to keep
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Speaker 12: to himself and maybe share with the FBI so he
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Speaker 12: can get the fame that he's been looking for. But
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Speaker 12: this is a monster, and so what do you say
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Speaker 12: to the family is except be with each other, keep
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Speaker 12: talking about it. You must go on with your lives
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Speaker 12: for the sake of the.
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Speaker 6: Victims, confess Long Island serial killer Rex Chuermann finally broke
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Speaker 6: his silence as the family members of his victims gave
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Speaker 6: victim impact statements at the long awaited sentencing of the
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Speaker 6: man who terrorized the Giggle Beacheria for decades. In April,
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Speaker 6: he pleaded guilty to killing seven women Jessica Taylor, Melissa
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Speaker 6: bartholemy Megan Waterman, Maureen Brainder Barnes, Amberlyn Costello, Valerie Mack
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Speaker 6: and Sandra Castillo. He also admitted to killing an eighth woman,
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Speaker 6: Karen Brigata, though he was not formally charged in her death.
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Speaker 6: He admitted strangling all of the victims to death during
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Speaker 6: a seventeen year span beginning in nineteen ninety three. Before
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Speaker 6: the judge sentenced him to three life terms without the
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Speaker 6: possibility of parole, and an additional twenty five years to
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Speaker 6: life for each of the murders of the seven women,
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Speaker 6: he asked Hureorman if he wished to address the court
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Speaker 6: Hureman said, there are no words I could say I
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Speaker 6: was responsible for what was said in this courtroom today.
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Speaker 6: The words I would say have no meaning, and I'm
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Speaker 6: going to leave it there. After questioning if Hureman was
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Speaker 6: even a man at all, the judge said, you're a coward.
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Speaker 6: Get him out of here, which brought cheers from victims' families,
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Speaker 6: who chanted ogre as the killer was led away.
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Speaker 3: Don't worry.
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Speaker 2: He's working on his appeal to his plea somehow, claiming
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Speaker 2: he deserves a new trial or even release. How's he
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Speaker 2: going to do it, don't know, but he'll try. We
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Speaker 2: wait as justice unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye,
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