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New Experimental GAA rules Special! · On The Edge Sports Podcast

• 0:15
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to a special episode of On the Edge Sports Podcast.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Myself, Brendan Turney, my co-host here, Darren Kearns.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: We're going to have a quick chat about the new experimental rules that are coming into the GA at the moment.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_01: They're going to be tested in the college leagues.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: So, Darren, let's go through them all.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: You're obviously involved with ATU Sligo's.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: We call it the Sigrison team, the senior team.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: So you've had a game already on this.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll let's just get through the rules very quickly for anyone that isn't aware.
• 0:39
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• 0:44
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• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: So the 40-meter arc, so it's an extension, meaning really that it goes into the end line now.
• 1:00
  SPEAKER_01: Correct, yeah.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: So it used to end, was it the 13 or the 20 20-meter line, yeah.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: 20-meter line.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_01: So it used to stop there, but now it goes right in.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_01: So in essence, you can now score from the corner flag nearly line.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, okay, and there'd be two pointers.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: As a coach involved in the like, would you see that would you like to see that or does it make much odds?
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: Ah, look at the this time of year, it's it's it's a little bit funny because it's not summer football and the 40-metre arc, you know, like the conditions that could we could be playing football in don't tend to get two-pointers from acute angles, if you know what I mean.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you go back, I think we mentioned it during the summer when we were doing our pod that a sideline ball should be a two-pointer if somebody is fit to kick it over.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you go back to there was a couple of uh the Monahan man, wasn't it?
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Jack Bricarin.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah, and uh Stephen Sherlock from Cork had got one from nearly down the corner fly.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: But they're not even just scores, they're marketing the game, they're PR, they're viral, you know.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like it's a great asset for the game to go.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's what we want to see.
• 2:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we all want to be entertained at the end of the day.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: So it's like whether it comes into play in this time of year or not, only time will tell.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_00: But I can see what they're doing, bringing it back right back into the end line, you know.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so that's one change.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the next one then is a two-point uh oh, sorry, that's the same one I'm looking at here at Scotting and basically I could now conscript from out in the wings.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, four points for a goal.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now you've played a game, it was only last night.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh first impressions, and this doesn't mean your final impression when it's all done and dusted, but did you did you find it changed the game or the flow of the play or the way players attacked?
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like it's it's it's definitely going to impact how you coach a team in the basis that four points for a goal is highly rewardable now.
• 2:45
  SPEAKER_00: And like it's it's it's if you can get we call it a four-pointer, right?
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: If you can get a goal, which is a four-pointer now, like it's up to the opposition then to try and get one back straight away or go for two twos.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_00: Because if you concede the goal now, you go down the field and you get a great, well-worked one-pointer, you're still three behind.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, so it's on and I can what I I'm I'm guessing what the advisory group is doing is they're trying to make teams go for goals and make it more exciting, you know what I mean?
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_00: And like, yeah, it's it's it's going to impact how you coach your team.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: It really is.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's but I suppose as we said, the thing is going so defence, defences now will be like, oh, we have to really defend the goal, and that might give chances for two-pointers.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I suppose that's probably the ethos behind it.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: Look, only time will tell, but look, we all want goals, but yeah, it could end up with lads running into blocks of defences and not going for their two-pointers.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it could all what it could also do is if you were behind in a game, like, and you have to get a goal late on, like you just have a defence that's going to block the whole thing up.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it was allowed this year against Armas.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: So even if it's blocked up, you can still get lucky.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: But as Pat Spillan always says, get the ball in there and you never know what'll happen.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's it, yeah.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but no, look, it'd be interesting to see.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_01: As I said, I'm not against any of them really, but just let everyone have its goal.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_01: No fisted points.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think many people have a major problem with that.
• 4:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's not exactly the most skillful score.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: You could argue you can still have a wonderful play, fast ball in, and and I I have been an advocate for this for a couple of years, but this is me personally as being a goalkeeper or or having played in goals like it's like and and I said this during the summer as well.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like, how do you entice a young fella to be a goalkeeper if they can't save shots?
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like like you're in Gaelic football now, you're not allowed to touch the ball from open play unless you're up the far end of the field.
• 4:38
  SPEAKER_00: You have to be past the halfway line or past the far 65 to get on the ball.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_00: So you're nullifying what a goalkeeper can do, and people will say, ah, we should just put him in goals and let him kick out the ball.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's not we've coached Andrew, I've questioned Andrew's it's very hard to do.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's not for a young fella.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have a young fella that is trying to be a goalkeeper, make him save shots.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so fellas coming through on goal, he doesn't have the option of fisting the ball over from a tight angle, and more often than not, that's where fisted points are got from.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_00: That fellas are coming in around the end line.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: Like, make him go for goal and let the keeper save it.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I mean?
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's four points for a goal, obviously.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: So now they're gonna go, well, yeah, double, double positive for the game.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: And on the on the flip side of that, it can still be fisted from open play uh without catching the ball.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: So if someone flicks it in, you can still click it, punch it, whatever.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: You can, yeah.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_00: But and and I'm happy with that one.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_00: Whether everybody is going to be happy with that one or not, whether it lasts or not, I don't know.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's one of these ones that I could see is being experimented.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: Like there were some games, there was some teams that actually did target fisted points during the summer.
• 5:41
  SPEAKER_00: I think Armad did.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: I think there was one game that got seven points from fisted scorers in, and there was people in the uh social media and on in the press saying, you know, that's that's not Gaelic football.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: But they're playing to the rules.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so now it's changes.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if someone fists the ball and it flicks off a defender.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's is that a point then?
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe this happened to Golem Mayo a few years ago.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, with the goalie as long as he touched it, it became a one.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then it was it was changed fairly fast when Conor Gleason got his hand above the crossbow.
• 6:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm I'm very much open-minded in favour, and you hear some people, oh, why did they change the rules again?
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's like because they're trying to make the game better.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're shouting like that, I just think breathe.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_01: Just breathe.
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_01: And let's see, because it's experiment.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: Give out experiment.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_01: This is only experiment, it's only in the college leagues for now.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for now.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um limiting the consecutive hand passes, so you can't have more than three.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: So three is a max.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now, in your game last night, did you did anyone get posted?
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: So we've we've played two games so far, and there's been, I would say, I think there was actually something on social media last week about a game up the north, and I'm sure anybody that's following Gaelic football has seen this.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: That's straight from the throw-in that somebody got done for three consecutive hand passes straight away.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and I'm sure that this had been hammered down the throats of players.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_00: Do not get caught for a fourth hand pass, it's a complete turnover.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: Are players calling it to each other?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: That's two, that's two.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_00: So you're training that gun.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: You're supposed to be.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas the opposition are also calling it, which can lure you into a false sense of I'm on two, but I'm actually on three.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_00: If he's calling it, what which one is it?
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_00: Now, I would think that it's I I can't I trying to figure out whether this is a positive or not, and and I I keep coming back to the fact that I just think players are going to end up a little toe pass.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_01: Last night I went down and watched the second half of your game, and that was the most prevalent thing I noticed was you see a hand pass, but there was loads of short kicks.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like a loads of shorts and a two-year hand pass, and it brings you back to again.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_01: So players will find the way around.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_01: My biggest thing.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: And the players will find their way around that, but I think it looks silly.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, like it's a bit daft, yeah.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, firstly, I think it must be it will be nearly impossible for a referee to referee.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: Completely.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: That is the one thing I would have against that.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_00: Well, he can't do he can't watch what's happening down the far end of the field, pulling and dragging, going on off the ball.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: He can't take his eye off the Lee Rudge because he's how is he going to see if there's three hand passes?
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_00: He's relying on his fourth official, his linesman, his umpires to tell him then because like obviously ref done a fight in the back of the head, they can't watch it.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: Everything that's going on.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: As everyone says, put it in the worst case scenario, all our final, yeah, last point is won by because someone got it wrong, the number of hammock.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I think why put that in like you don't want to see loads of hand passes, but I just I don't know how I don't know how you where's the perfect fit for this.
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I don't, I don't I I can't I can't see this stain.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: I I really can't.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: The advanced mark idea was kind of in the hope of yeah, there might be a few hand passes, but then off you go.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I just I just I just think it's too too difficult for referees to manage and they've enough to do it as you talked earlier on hard enough to entice goalies, it's probably even more harder to get people to referee.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: But it is, yeah, yeah.
• 8:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's the it's the roaring and shouting of it, he's on two, he's on three, and then the ref has a second guess himself, he gets a call wrong.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: You mentioned there, what if somebody gets a score from he missed it?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_00: What if he calls it incorrectly?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, then you're going to end up in DRC committees and players or teams appealing left, right, and centre because they have it on video evidence and it wasn't three hand passes or it wasn't four hand passes, it just opens up a huge can of worms, and I just I I I don't see a see a future for this one.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I see them maybe incentivizing kicking more than trying to stop hand passing.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: So it'll be interesting to see what they get from that one, you know.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh the backcourt rule, and this is one of my favourite ones.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: Once you pass the halfway line, cannot go back.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: You cannot go back.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_01: And then the the freeze award at the opposite of where it happened.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_01: So exceptions with the ball is struck while in flight, kick outs, deflections.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: So if it's flicked on from a kick out, yeah, but not carried over, is that kicked or carried?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's it's it there's a grey area in that, and one that we got we got pulled for.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_00: And this was a question that our manager had asked the committee at the start of the year, and they didn't really have an answer for it, which is you know, I don't like I don't don't you need to be having the answers to this.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: So we had a guy that caught the ball mid-flight and slid across the line.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like he has no control of where he's ending up.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: He gets up off the deck and he goes forward straight away.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: He doesn't continue going back.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: He he literally came a yard across the line and he went forward straight away again as he was supposed to be doing, and he gets pulled for an infringement for going back court.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: So, like air and fell back across the line.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like his momentum, his momentum carried him right back into his own hands.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: The goalie kicked it out, yeah, and he was coming the other way, yeah, caught it and slid in.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a complete gray area.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: We lose possession of the ball.
• 10:30
  SPEAKER_01: It says exception where the ball is struck while in flight, kick-outs, deflections, etc.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_01: But like that wasn't a kick-out, that wasn't a but it says kick-outs, yeah.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I don't know.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like that, but as you said, struck means someone flicked it back.
• 10:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's caught in possession and he falls in, and then the other team just go, oh great, he's after falling, we haven't.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: So that's that's that also gives the defender or the defending team a huge advantage in that.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: That he he knows that that player can go nowhere.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: His momentum is carrying him across the line.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's no place he can go like you like you've no control of your body.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you go up to catch a Lee Rodge and the air from a kick out or from a kick pass, and you actually brings you across the line.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, you what are you supposed to do?
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're gonna probably have to do something with if it's a clean catch and a kick out.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: But then again, there's a mark for that, then yeah, there's a mark, and now he's on to solo and go, yeah.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: And this wasn't from a kicker, this was a kick pass to the guy, and he slid back into his own half.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, it's kind of a grey area on that side.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, I I can see you you have been an advocate of this, and I have I I can see the advantages in it, and like I and I think uh a bugbear of loads of GA supporters watching football throughout the summer or throughout games and club games and everything else that we've been at is a team goes forward and then they end up coming back into their own half, coming back into their own half backline, coming back into their own full backline.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_00: So this nullifies that it just completely cuts it out.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: You once you go past the halfway line.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I had often said it might sound daft to some people, but like uh let's call it a vertical line down the middle of the pitch inside the 245.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_01: So if you're in the opposition half and you go to the left, you know this back and forth thing?
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_01: Now, in fairness, this probably stops that a lot of it because if the defense goes, they're in.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: So we can push up, he either has to go one way or the other.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: It's not gonna be as easy to keep going back to the street.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_00: Sticker twist on that side of things.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: But no, I I like that.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: I like the idea of like, okay, go and attack now, it has to be everything should be rewarding attackable.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Everything.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh okay.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: Substitutions is from five to six, that's not particularly amped up.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it doesn't come into effect.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now denial of a goal scoring opportunity, but I don't understand the difference in this of what it was.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: So uh it's a black card and a penalty for all aggressive fouls which deny a goal scoring opportunity, which is already in.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's more yeah, kind of in.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: But if you go to the next part of that, no no requirement of the foul player to be in possession of the ball.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: So if I'm if someone's on the attack and I'm marking you running in, does someone coming in and then they flick it to my man, but I fouled him.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but if you if I if I am not even looking for the ball and you just decide to pull me down.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so there's tustling going on in the back.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, now this is the danger, isn't it?
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_01: The forward pulls him down and someone gets it wrong.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: So that leaves like so you get a cute forward, okay, and he decides, okay, I can get in contact with the defender here and get in a tussle.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and the refs often will punish the I've been there.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: The defense gets the first punishment.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: And throw yourself to the ground, you get a black guard and a penalty.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I've a feeling that was going to cause too much aggro that they don't need it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, and you go back to the the the the what goal man.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: The goal the goal again when it happened, like like that was issued in a split second without any the foul hardly happened and the card was out.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: Without any thought process going into it.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_00: So you bring in you bring this into the into it and it's happening all over the field, and this guy down here in the corner, and people haven't even seen what's after happening.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: And the referee is a black card to a cornerback for pulling a guy back or pulling a guy down or a hand trip or a foot trip and gives a penalty and he gets a black card.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: You know, again, no more than the fist pass rule, it can open up a huge can of worms.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I I just think what referees decisions, and it's I totally understand it's easy for me to be talking, I'm not a referee.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: At all points in any contentious decision, don't give it for five side ten seconds.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Just pause if you're not sure, and you have your own VAR there with your linesmen and your umpires, and you go, My decision is this.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Can anyone give me any reason to put doubt in my mind that I'm not right?
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: And at least if you do that, and that ref in the Galway uh Dublin game, like uh did not do that, and that's where the frustration was.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: I go, just take a moment there and go, am I actually right on this?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_01: And we're not gonna go bring in videos into matches, but you do have other people there and you have four officials.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: Lean on them, like in in in and especially if it's a big game.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: Now, whether this will come in or not, like we're we're we're we're we're just talking that these are actually the experimental rules it's in now.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: And in uh in Ryan Cup, which is the Sigerson League, we'll call it, yeah, like whether the official has enough people to lean on or not, like it's yeah, because I noticed in your game last night there wasn't two linesmen.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: That was it.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Lines and then voluntary umpires.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: And that's understandable.
• 15:27
  SPEAKER_01: That's of course.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: So like but uh you need them to be mic'd up and you need them to be having uh an input into it and you need to be asking the question and like why not ask the question?
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: If you're in any doubt at all, or if you think right, well, uh it has to be a black or has to be a red, and did you see anything different?
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think before you make any mad decision, and like we've seen games in the Sligo Championship this year as well where red's given out and then later rescinded, yeah.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_01: And it's just kind of going sometimes just let me think again.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's this, I'm gonna ask.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: And you kind of I mean you at least show that diplomacy nearly of going, well, let's let's check our own.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you can you can turn around then to the player and you can say, Well, I have a linesman and I have two umpires that are in agreement with me.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: So forget about it.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, move on.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, no, we'll as I said we'll see.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh award of a 50-meter advancement penalty.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: If a player takes a kick out mark, claims or does not claim, and is subsequently illegally challenged within his four-meter space, the sanction is 50 metres advancement penalty.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: So this was originally in at the start of last year.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and now it was from where it happened.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, that that's what it ended up with last year.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so now it's back.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's back to what the previous one was last year, which was changed halfway through the season last year.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: And now for some strange reason that we're not 100% sure they're after bringing it back in again.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_00: So basically, in layman terms, you take a mark from a kick out, somebody stops your move them forward, the ball is brought forward 50 metres from that position.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_00: What was happening during the summer at the latter stage of the championship was if you stopped a guy when he took a mark, it was just a foul from that position.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't a 50 metre infringement.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_00: Where it was changed last year was in the Munster Championship, there was a major, major flaw in the fact that the guy that took the mark literally ran straight into the opposition player.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: And there's nothing he could have done about it.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: And the ball was brought forward 50 metres, which resulted in a score of just a two-pointer, which had a huge bearing on the game.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's again it goes back to you have linesmen there, yeah.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think this was done wrong, or they're like, Oh, listen, he totally ran into him.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, which but it's it's it's it's too easy for the guy that wins the mark, I think, to make uh exhibition of this man won't get out of my way, I'm running straight at him.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's it is times that the opposition player is making a nuisance of himself, there's also times when he can go nowhere, and then the ref just falls for it.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's it's it's we'll call it a play actor and we'll call Connor the ref.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's well, it's part of the game is in all sports, yeah.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: So that's but to change that halfway through the championship last year.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: So they're after bringing it back in now, and again, I don't see why, and I'm not 100% sure whether I receive the benefit of it.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: And it's funny, I was watching your game last night, and one guy got a solo and go.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: So you can't be tackled within four metres.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: So one of the opposition ran alongside, I think was your guy, and I was like, is he not impeding his direction?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a kind of a tricky one because you go, Oh no, you can run with him, but just don't ta tackle him.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: So you can't like I think that should be kind of just you cannot impede whatever if he wants to run that way and you're shunting him this way, yeah, then that should be well.
• 18:35
  SPEAKER_01: If he runs into you now, then so there's a few little things.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: So, like that's and that's again, that's that's the mark.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's like um you basically so it says in the in the small print there, it says claims or does not claim the mark.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: So like you really don't want anybody claiming the mark here.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: For you know, if you're on the you're taking the kick out and your guy wins, we'll call it the mark.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_00: Do not take it under any circumstances, just turn off and start running and hope to God that somebody touches you.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then you get your 50 meters.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, you know, okay.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um aligning sanctions, award a 30 metre free kick from the central point of the 30-meter line for the central abuse from a member of the backroom team, kick out infractions, or the four-three breach.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_01: So is that kind of the same as the same as what he's more or less done for?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and again, you can bring that out to the 50, can you?
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Or outside the arc, I should say.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_01: For two points.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and then kick outs the button.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: Now, this is a new one.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is really interesting.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is kind of a significant one.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh kick-outs, the ball used to have to go outside the arc.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_01: Now it just has to go out beyond the 20-meter arc.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which is the case.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_01: So let's call it the D in front of the 20-meter line.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: The original D, yeah.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: So anywhere outside that arc.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: So he's obviously taking it in the centre of that.
• 19:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so we're looking at our graphics here if you're looking earlier.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so so basically they're thinking behind this one is to entice long kick outs into space, not overly contested.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: So go back to Ciara McGeini's point during the summer was that the kick out contest was now piggery in the middle of the field, and in loads of games it really was like it was like put as many bodies onto an overload as you can.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_00: The keeper was still kicking it out there, and he was hoping that you were going to come up with a breaking ball, or he was hoping on the flip side of that that you will somebody will actually get a mark.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: But there was loads of bodies in that area, there was loads of bodies in that zone because everybody had to be outside the two-point arc.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the actual rule was that everybody didn't have to be outside it.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_00: It was only the up, it was only the defence has been.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: I was astounded at this because if the ball gets broke down, yeah, there's a guy inside, and there's no one near him.
• 20:38
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so now it's just outside the small D, so the ball can only can can travel with say 13 metres, basically, and you can give it to a corner back.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: So they want teams pushing up on that.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: If you were to put a corner back on the edge of that D and nobody's marking him, they want teams pushing up on that and leaving the space out the far side.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's just to make teams think a bit differently about short, mid-level, and really long end.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: So I think Kevin McStay, who's the head of this committee, he his I think his his term was the midland kick becomes more accurate and more beneficial to goalkeepers now that you can find that space and people can run into the space and there's more space to run into.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I see on our graphic here, um the player must be at least 30 metres away.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_01: Is that can he pass back?
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, it must go out forward outside that D.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_01: But any other players must be at least 13 metres away.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: So even if you're an attacker and you're hiding behind the goalie, you could be in the square if you wanted.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: But you must be 30 metres away from the ball.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: So, because again, that was something I was often wondering how what's the exact rule.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: I remember asking a ref on one of the other places.
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: And that that that's back to the original that was football a few years ago.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like you could do that a few years ago before they brought it in that two-point arc.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, okay.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is the last one.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: Sideline free kicks.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, is this Anthony particularly new?
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Side effects from on or behind the sideline rather than behind the line.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: So there was a few instances last year, lads, putting the foot on the line.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that was called.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_01: For God's sake, like that was called.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like you're not you're not getting a huge advantage by having your foot on the line, are you?
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: No, no.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, like be realistic about that.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_01: You could be standing beside flags or bottles or dugouts.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_00: So now you can actually have your foot on the line and take the sideline kick.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to actually be standing behind it.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you go back into any game, I'm sure if you went through it with a with a fine-tooth comb, you're gonna find sideline kicks that were actually your foot was on the line.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: It gets picked every now and again in games, and you see the lines are putting up its flag, and then it gets brought, it's a it's an opposition kick out there or an opposition line ball, then so now you can have your foot on the line.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, look, uh, it was good to get a little overview, and again, someone that's coaching it and seeing it in the flesh.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like and and as coaches, you're you're you're trying to learn as you're going, but you it's not in for Sigerson.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it's no matter what happens, no matter what happens, it's yeah, so they have actually made that decision.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: So it's in for Ryan Cup, it's not in for Sigerson Cup, but the potential that it's going to be in for National League.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Imagine a player that's playing all those competitions.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: So like you could have guys that was playing club football at the weekend turn around less than 24 hours later and have to uh get their head around the fact that I have a completely different set of rules here to go at.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: And it's it's it is it is tough, it really is.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_01: And look, in fairness to the people trying to make the decisions as well, like there's no perfect moment to try it.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, if we all just pause and go, in fairness, yeah, look at our game now.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: I was only met a man today in the gym and he were on about Gaelic football.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: He said, Oh, it's different.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: And like rugby, hurling, even soccer, like our football to win who you are, uh could all do with a few rules like Gaelic has done.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, because it's become an amazing spectrum.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: And and and again, you're talking that, but I think what they decided was that they'd done sandbox trap trial games with the we'll call them the new rules last year in Crow Park, with the kind of done a railway cup version of it for the interprovincials, and the games just became in to like there was four points for a goal, but sure there was ended up in games with eight and nine goals, and then you're looking at cricket scores on the screen because them games weren't really taken serious, so now they put it into a competition that is kind of taken serious and has a bearing on where you're gonna end up in Sigerson.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: But why bring that into the Ryan Cup when it actually has a bearing where you're gonna end up in the Sigerson and it's not in the Sigarson?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know?
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: So there's lots of question marks.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: There's no right nor wrong, it's just that there's no no no, but in fairness, as I said, look, uh it these are valid questions too for the people making the rule changes to kind of listen to.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure in fairness, I'm sure they are listening, you know what I mean.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: So, look, anyways, we just thought we'd bring you a bit of an overview.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: We'll all be talking about them the next few weeks.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I'm in favour of most of them to be honest.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: I'd say a few of them absolutely will not be there come next next year in the Alliance League.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, but yeah, no, look, we'll enjoy we'll keep enjoying the new changes and keep us talking anyway.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.