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Former Paratrooper EXPOSES Military's Darkest Scandal | Dr Tam Thornborrow · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hello friends.
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Speaker 2: I'm your host, Chris Throuw. I'm a former Rumeries commando.
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Speaker 3: I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across eighty countries
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Speaker 3: on all seven confidents.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Port the t Shirt Podcast.
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Speaker 3: Dr Tom. How are you, Sarah?
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Speaker 1: I'm fighting, Chris, and how about you? Yes?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, fighting the spiritual battle, you know how it is.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen you've been really busy with your Everest campaign,
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Speaker 1: and I think that's an absolutely brilliant place to start
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Speaker 1: off with.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I thought, what better way to highlight this horrible
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Speaker 3: issue of veterans suicide and the fact we lose mates
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Speaker 3: in the miniatureum like it's like nothing, like it's some
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Speaker 3: sort of normal. And the thing that kind of prompted
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Speaker 3: me to do this is that I know my own story.
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Speaker 3: I remember becoming homeless after leaving the military, suffering chronic addiction,
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Speaker 3: totally losing my mental health, and fortunately I was able
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Speaker 3: just to put to develop a few three very simple
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Speaker 3: strategies that allowed me instantly to move on. And what
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Speaker 3: I'm seeing in our community, the military veterans community, is
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Speaker 3: nobody is making the link between the childer trauma and
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Speaker 3: the tough, tough upbringings or the lack of a father
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Speaker 3: figure or a father that, for want of a better term,
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Speaker 3: didn't love you enough. No one's making this link between
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Speaker 3: that and cut the complex PTSD veterans experience upon arriving
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Speaker 3: in Sivy Street. And I think we know the reasons
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Speaker 3: why it's not mentioned, and we'll cover that. But when
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Speaker 3: you look at the research, the research clearly links, even
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Speaker 3: in veterans, the link between adverse childhood experiences and complex
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Speaker 3: PTSD and obviously the undesirable exit that many of our
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Speaker 3: lads and some lasses are taken. Am I making a bit?
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Speaker 1: I could get down to some gruesome details of guys
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Speaker 1: ourselves with in the Falklands and even Northern Ireland that
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Speaker 1: are no longer with us, and they are unlive themselves
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Speaker 1: and it's absolutely tragic, and you're so, you're so right.
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Speaker 1: What I can do, Chris is I can definitely come
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Speaker 1: in and say my own personal research. Frooman did my PhD.
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Speaker 1: I went out and I interviewed over sixty paratroopers way
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Speaker 1: away from the first guys ringing the bell and the
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Speaker 1: Whitley's and the first Second World War, sorry, right through
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Speaker 1: them coming off the battlefield in Iraq, and so one
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Speaker 1: of the questions that I would ask them is why
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Speaker 1: did you join the parachute regiment because it was all paratroopers, Okay,
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Speaker 1: And you know, you go back to these very early
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Speaker 1: guys all the way through to two thousand and three,
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Speaker 1: and I guess it's even worse now because we have
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Speaker 1: a more snowflake generation that are just not got them.
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Speaker 1: But the mental fortitude that we had when we were younger,
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Speaker 1: and say especially in terms of civilians, not so much
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Speaker 1: the army. But the point was the amount of childhood
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Speaker 1: trauma that leapt out of their personal stories. Now you
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Speaker 1: can go onto my website and on that database there
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Speaker 1: are over sixty stories that you can listen to and
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Speaker 1: you will see and you can hear them in their
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Speaker 1: own words telling about childhood trauma, parents, missing, being bullied,
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Speaker 1: orphans and all the aspects that go with that. But
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Speaker 1: there was also another branch, and this is really strange
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Speaker 1: because I haven't seen so much research on postumatic stress
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Speaker 1: about this one. About the guys that fathers and grandfathers.
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Speaker 1: It became a tradition. These guys were forced basically forced
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Speaker 1: to follow their fathers. Imagine having to do that, you know,
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Speaker 1: I always go back to that Monty Python film whether
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Speaker 1: Standing on the Swamp, and he's said, some day, so
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Speaker 1: all of this will be yours. Yeah, what the caurtains.
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Speaker 1: But what he was I want to sing, father, I
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Speaker 1: want to sing how many of these guys did not
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Speaker 1: want to be and there was a reason for some
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Speaker 1: of the stress. So you know, a few years ago,
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Speaker 1: while I was looking at this, I did some research
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Speaker 1: and I found out and then it goes back to
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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and I was a BBC believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: they came up with a statistic that said that when
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Speaker 1: they looked at the general population, there was roughly four
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Speaker 1: percent of a general population in the UK we would
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Speaker 1: be suffering from some form of post traumatic stress. When
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Speaker 1: they looked at the military, it jumped to seven point
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Speaker 1: four percent. So what I want to do is I
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Speaker 1: just want to tag on some numbers here. Did just
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Speaker 1: show you, especially amongst the veterans before I come back
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Speaker 1: to address the issues of childhood trauma. If you take
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Speaker 1: that seven point four, let's say seven point five, round
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Speaker 1: it up, that's seventy five every thousand, seven fifty every
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Speaker 1: ten thousand. It's seven thousand, five hundred every hundred thousand.
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Speaker 1: So by the time we get to the one million,
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Speaker 1: and believe it or not, there's over one point two
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Speaker 1: million of US veterans alive and kicking in this country.
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Speaker 1: That comes up to something in the reason of seventy
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Speaker 1: five thousand that are suffering actively right now from post
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Speaker 1: traumatic stress. Now, oh seven and a half one hundred.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't sound much, does it. But like I say,
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Speaker 1: when you get up to seventy five thousand, that's the
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Speaker 1: size of a small, medium town, I medium large town.
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Speaker 1: That's the amount of people male and female, but mostly male. Now,
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Speaker 1: out of that you look back at the BBC and
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Speaker 1: I say, well, okay, that doesn't sound right to me.
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Speaker 1: My own research, nearly every character that I researched, yeah,
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Speaker 1: either one of the two forms posting to the army
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Speaker 1: or it was a result of some kind of childhood stress.
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Speaker 1: The other part of it was their service and what
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Speaker 1: happened to them. And so therefore there's a link. Now
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Speaker 1: when that link goes up to say combat stress and
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Speaker 1: what we saw, what we did, that goes up to eleven,
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Speaker 1: fourteen or seventeen percent. Now it doesn't matter what the
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Speaker 1: BBC say. Yeah, I don't trust them because they traditionally
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Speaker 1: undermine things and they support the establishment, and where they
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Speaker 1: might not want to let kids know, if you join
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Speaker 1: the army, you got a good chance of getting killed. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: with Northern Island and all that around the time, I
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Speaker 1: can understand that propaganda. So the point is you have
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Speaker 1: this childhood trauma already allowing people to enter an institution
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Speaker 1: like that where they're further traumatized by their training. Then
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Speaker 1: they're further traumatized by the culture that they come into.
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Speaker 1: And of course the warrior cult, the stigma you're not
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Speaker 1: supposed to show, fear you don't have, this just doesn't
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Speaker 1: come into it. And so therefore you're trapped in a paradigm.
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Speaker 1: You're trapped in a culture, You're trapped in a belief
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Speaker 1: system in which it doesn't allow for people actually having
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Speaker 1: little mental breakdowns. I said to you a couple of
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Speaker 1: times ago, in a chance to go, I had one
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Speaker 1: in Uri in Warring Point, and it was quite legitimate,
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Speaker 1: and I know for my own personal history that was
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Speaker 1: the root of my combat post traumatic stress. However, I
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Speaker 1: go back to my own childhood and now I'm not
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Speaker 1: going to talk about that because it's not nice to
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Speaker 1: talk about your own background. But what I find out
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Speaker 1: is that nearly every childhood is traumatic in some way.
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Speaker 1: It's part of growing up. Is normal, fall over, the
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Speaker 1: platement for the playground, cut your knee, your first kiss, girlfriend,
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Speaker 1: ditches you. Oh, these kinds these are all part normally
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Speaker 1: growing up. What's different is the abuse and the dysfunctional
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Speaker 1: families that these kids come from. So I can speak
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Speaker 1: for the parachute regimen, you can speak for the room
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Speaker 1: and commandos. We could find everybody in every single regiment
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Speaker 1: that's ever been in this country, and they will sit
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Speaker 1: down and they be able to say the same thing
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Speaker 1: that many many of us joined the army. We found
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Speaker 1: a family, we found a home, we found somewhere, and
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Speaker 1: of course we were willing to put up with the
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Speaker 1: training and accept the training in order to be in
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Speaker 1: that family and home. So now we come to the
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Speaker 1: other equation. I really didn't believe this. I had an
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Speaker 1: extreme reaction to leaving the tribe me personally. I didn't
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Speaker 1: want to, but I did, and when I did, I
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Speaker 1: regretted it. But I didn't regret it. So it's all confused.
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Speaker 1: But again, going to my database, here's some of the soldiers.
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Speaker 1: One guy for particular tears. He leaves the barracks, he
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Speaker 1: can't even start the engine in his car, and he's
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Speaker 1: sitting and he's telling me in the interview, crying his
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Speaker 1: eyes out over a sense of loss. Well wait a minute,
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Speaker 1: loss post traumatic stress. So you've not only got that,
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Speaker 1: you may have guys that end up having the result
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Speaker 1: of childhood trauma morphing into the stress and trauma of
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Speaker 1: being in the army, morphing even more for those that
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Speaker 1: experience combat, and then the pain of leaving the tribe,
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Speaker 1: which again is in a very highly emotional moment for
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Speaker 1: a lot of people. You invested so much. Now I
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Speaker 1: know that we've chatted and you've told me about some
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Speaker 1: guys that you know, and as a result of all
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Speaker 1: of their training and all their experience, they just cannot
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Speaker 1: live outside the army, and yet their time's up. It's
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Speaker 1: so common, Chris as a kid, you know. I know
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Speaker 1: it was the Second World War not long before, but
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Speaker 1: we used to see guys in our traffic warding immaculate Paul,
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Speaker 1: his bold shoes, marching on and down. As I said
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Speaker 1: to you, the only thing missing was his paystick. Institutionalized.
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Speaker 1: So when you put the three. It's not a double wammy.
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Speaker 1: It's a triple wammy. And now, yeah, we come to
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Speaker 1: the other side of the equation. What's the support. I
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Speaker 1: said seventy five thousand, That was the BBC, So seventy
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Speaker 1: five thousand a million. What if it's the upper end.
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Speaker 1: What if it's let's say fourteen percent, and we've got
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand, You've still got the same
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Speaker 1: amount of care. You've still got the same amount of
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Speaker 1: psychologists and psychiatrists and veterans, charities and so on working
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Speaker 1: with these people. But don't you think it gets to
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Speaker 1: a point where they get overwhelmed. The more combat that
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Speaker 1: goes on, the more stress as a result of people's service,
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Speaker 1: the more people understand it. You know, for example, it
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Speaker 1: used to be post traumatic stress. Now it's complex post
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Speaker 1: traumatic stress. You know what I feel about psychiatrists, psychiatry
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Speaker 1: and psychologists. But the point is there is not the
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Speaker 1: support in this country on a decent level in order
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Speaker 1: to facilitate for people out there, and some of them
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Speaker 1: and I know them personally, the regimentally post I served
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Speaker 1: in in the Falklands, four of them, four of them
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Speaker 1: have committed suicide since what does that tell you there
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Speaker 1: was no support for them. It was stiff up a
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Speaker 1: little boys. Yeah, the RSM when we got back from
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Speaker 1: the falcons, you do not go home and talk about this,
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Speaker 1: That's what they said. That was our orders. And what
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Speaker 1: do you do when you get back home? I mean,
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Speaker 1: need you kill? That's something more interested in. They got
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Speaker 1: the shit, you know, not the fact that you were
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Speaker 1: terri if I had scared out your wits and so on.
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Speaker 1: Now these are autraumatic experiences, but hey, you're a paratrooper,
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Speaker 1: you're a marine. Yeah, you're a royal, you're Royal Anglian,
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Speaker 1: Royal Scott's Guards whatever, you know, you're not supposed to
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Speaker 1: show this. So it's an institutionalized reaction to a truth
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Speaker 1: that they've known ever since the beginning. So my reaction
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Speaker 1: to it is, yeah, it's out there big. It's linked
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Speaker 1: from childhood through your service, sometimes involved leaving your service.
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Speaker 1: But most importantly it's the support that you don't get
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Speaker 1: that thank you very much with Paige your money. You've
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Speaker 1: done your service, now fuck off. So what you're doing,
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Speaker 1: Chris is only finishing this and I feel very important
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Speaker 1: what you're doing Chris and trying to raise money and
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Speaker 1: trying a way. Awareness is right up my street. I
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Speaker 1: knew that we were going to be talking this morning,
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Speaker 1: and I had tears last night my friend, my stress
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Speaker 1: came back again, not really choked now tears. For these guys,
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Speaker 1: it's the only way out was to take their own
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Speaker 1: life with no support for them, and of course you
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Speaker 1: don't find out about it until many years later. Sorry,
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Speaker 1: I got emotional there.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it's absolutely fine. It's an emotional subject. Hence
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Speaker 3: why I'm I'm gonna this is why my Everest climbs
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Speaker 3: dedicated to it, tam And there's so much to say
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Speaker 3: here and in no particular order. When I'm on LinkedIn
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Speaker 3: LinkedIn for friends out there that don't know, it's a
12:23
Speaker 3: business plan, it's like the business kind of Facebook. Everyone's
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Speaker 3: a little bit more, you know, keep they keep themselves
12:28
Speaker 3: a little bit more in check on LinkedIn because we're
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Speaker 3: all we've got to wear the mask on on LinkedIn,
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Speaker 3: so you it's all it's sort of just see through
12:37
Speaker 3: the facade of it all. And it's say, say I
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Speaker 3: put up a post about hey, folks, I'm climbing Mount Everest.
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Speaker 3: I'm self funded, you know, I'm I'm I want to
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Speaker 3: highlight the link between adverse childhood experiences and adult mental health,
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Speaker 3: and in particular why we're losing so many people in
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Speaker 3: the veterans community, and of course friends are We're not
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Speaker 3: solely saying this, We're just saying that if research shows
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Speaker 3: it's a factor, why is nobody talking about it? So
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Speaker 3: I put a post on there and I might say, friends,
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Speaker 3: if you'd like to support me on my journey. You
13:17
Speaker 3: know I've got to pay for all this. You might
13:19
Speaker 3: want to chip us in a fiver so I can
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Speaker 3: shout this message from the highest place on the planet.
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Speaker 1: That's good.
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Speaker 3: If you're a company out there and you've got a
13:29
Speaker 3: couple of quid to spare, you know you can write
13:31
Speaker 3: it off as tax. It's not like it's hard for you.
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Speaker 3: You're getting contact, and if I'm lucky, Tam, I might
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Speaker 3: get fifteen or so people just give us a little
13:42
Speaker 3: feeble like might get what one comment going our good
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Speaker 3: luck on everything?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 3: Or it's terrible what's happening to other I see a
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Speaker 3: post then by someone posting some what you and I
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Speaker 3: might call cringey, army, barmy shit, you know, like.
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Speaker 1: Guy is great?
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Speaker 3: You know what they did in afghan And of course,
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Speaker 3: you know, there's a whole nother side to that story,
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Speaker 3: but that's not the point of what I'm saying. And
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Speaker 3: some cheesy photo of someone polishing their medals or that
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Speaker 3: post gets thousands of likes, the comments, you can't talk,
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Speaker 3: there's so many comments on it. I find it personally
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Speaker 3: just sick of fantic this kind of indoctrinated brainwashing the
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Speaker 3: public have had through the Hollywood, through the Rambo, through
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Speaker 3: the you know, the the the Deer Hunter films, all
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Speaker 3: of which were designed to take the focus off the
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Speaker 3: illegal conflicts and put them on the sorrow of the
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Speaker 3: poor soldier.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: They did that for a reason. The soldier can never
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Speaker 3: do any wrong. So when he's in an illegal conflict
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Speaker 3: like we've seen for twenty years in the Middle East,
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Speaker 3: when they're dropping all kinds of ordinance on essentially goat
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Speaker 3: herders and their families. And I'm being a bit flippant
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Speaker 3: here for a reason that you know, just ignore the
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Speaker 3: white phosphorus on, you know, on the men, women and children.
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Speaker 3: Just ignore that. You your job is to feel sorry
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Speaker 3: for the soldier and bloody yeah it didn't want to
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Speaker 3: go and do that. And now the guy's got PTSD,
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Speaker 3: and it's everyone's just so massively being led and lied to,
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Speaker 3: Tam and deceived about the reality of a what the
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Speaker 3: military is, or should we say the military industrial complex
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Speaker 3: b the kind of people they're recruiting into it. And
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Speaker 3: I've got a video that Kenny sent sent me of
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Speaker 3: an Armed Forces day where they're handing these lethal, evil
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Speaker 3: weapons of war to five and six year olds, letting
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Speaker 3: them play with it as though it's a toy, where
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Speaker 3: these things solely have one focus is to kill other
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Speaker 3: young men and women. And this is the you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm not on a campaign here, Tam. I'm not out
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Speaker 3: to change people. I'm saying this for those people out
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Speaker 3: there that deserve to hear this and understand it. And
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Speaker 3: they're like, yeah, Chris, thank you. I'm totally with you.
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Speaker 3: You know, I have my suspicions or you know, I
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Speaker 3: lost us. I get emails from people, Tam. The last
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Speaker 3: one was I lost my son to suicide. Chris, thank
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Speaker 3: you for what what what you're doing, and Tam, you
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Speaker 3: know how it is. I could put the picture of
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Speaker 3: me polishing me medal or marching up and down the
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Speaker 3: square with bloody camouflaged paint on me, and I know
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Speaker 3: that will get thousands of adoration from the you know,
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Speaker 3: likes from the public, and and I don't want to
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Speaker 3: do that. I want to highlight like a serious I
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Speaker 3: wanted to be able to look myself in the mirror
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Speaker 3: at the end in the day and said, you know what,
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Speaker 3: I didn't promote all the war bullshit. I promoted the
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Speaker 3: victims of it, and moreover, not them because they're dead.
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Speaker 3: They took himself out the game. What about the one
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Speaker 3: like my mate that sent me this. I'm just going
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Speaker 3: to show a picture. Tom He sent me this lovely picture.
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Speaker 3: He bought my he bought all my books, massively supported me.
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Speaker 3: Was a sergeant. I'm not going to send any names, folks,
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Speaker 3: but sergeant major in the Raal Marines. And he took
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Speaker 3: himself out the game the day he left or the
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Speaker 3: day after he left the military. And had four beautiful
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Speaker 3: young All kids are beautiful, but you know what I'm saying,
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Speaker 3: four little ones. They weren't even adult, you know, I
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Speaker 3: mean one of them. And it's like, it's like, when
17:48
Speaker 3: are we going to stop tossing each other off? That
17:51
Speaker 3: we was so ace and the profession was just so
17:54
Speaker 3: brilliant and what we did, we can all be and
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Speaker 3: actually talk about the reality of it. That is horrific, right,
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Speaker 3: So if.
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Speaker 1: We were to talk about the reality of it, and
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Speaker 1: the recruitment offices were to talk about the reality of it,
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Speaker 1: nobody would join. What was the title of our first chat,
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Speaker 1: You chose that, I just let it. I just let
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Speaker 1: it slip. Nobody gives a fuck. They just want to
18:18
Speaker 1: be entertained. They don't want to hear the baggage. They
18:21
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about your destroyed life. They don't
18:24
Speaker 1: want to hear about divorce. They don't want to hear
18:26
Speaker 1: about in and out of jobs. Yeah, they don't want that.
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Speaker 1: All they want to do is shooty bang bang, and
18:32
Speaker 1: they want thrills. So yeah, you just have to go
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Speaker 1: back and just look at the propaganda, and it's got
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Speaker 1: worse and worse and worse. And now we're at a
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Speaker 1: point where people are just not interested in joining the army.
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Speaker 1: They're just not interested. They're not interested in joining the military.
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Speaker 1: They're not in incision putting a uniform on. So you know,
18:51
Speaker 1: where are we going with all of this? If there's
18:54
Speaker 1: less and less military, then it's going to be less
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Speaker 1: and less need for veterans support. And again the guys
18:59
Speaker 1: out in the look like you've just mentioned, the guys
19:02
Speaker 1: on the limb that are very vulnerable to all of this,
19:05
Speaker 1: who's going to support them? You know, it's what you're
19:08
Speaker 1: doing by bringing attention to these causes is allowing people
19:12
Speaker 1: to give them an opportunity to actually care. But in
19:16
Speaker 1: a world where people don't care, you know, you're banging
19:18
Speaker 1: your head against them all. What I used to say,
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Speaker 1: farting into a hurricane. So what you're going to do
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Speaker 1: is you've got to be able to put yourself in
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Speaker 1: a position where people understand the morality of what war is.
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Speaker 1: People understand the morality of sending young people to war.
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Speaker 1: We've all seen it, you know, two thousand and sorry,
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Speaker 1: nineteen fourteen to nineteen eighteen, Whole villages marching off silence
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Speaker 1: coming back after the year eighty seven, eighty nine, when
19:45
Speaker 1: you know young men left on a battlefield in ten minutes.
19:49
Speaker 1: Oh it's only shell shock. Well shell shock unfortunately was
19:52
Speaker 1: very real. But again swept under the carpet, and you
19:55
Speaker 1: can see all the way through history this denial. You
20:00
Speaker 1: know that you're a warrior, and so that you have
20:03
Speaker 1: to suck it up and that it can't affect you
20:05
Speaker 1: because your hard as nail. You're all Rambo. Excuse me,
20:09
Speaker 1: The Rambo films all about a guy with heavy PTSD. Yeah,
20:12
Speaker 1: and they made him a hero. So yeah. My point
20:15
Speaker 1: is there's a there's a disjoint between the actual reality
20:19
Speaker 1: of what we experienced and the ability to convey that
20:22
Speaker 1: to a public that's been brainwashed and trained to be
20:26
Speaker 1: entertained by people like us. And then there's the what
20:30
Speaker 1: we used, I don't know them marine you call them waltermitties.
20:32
Speaker 1: We do in the redg waltermitties. The other side, this
20:35
Speaker 1: is the LinkedIn people that you're talking about, the fantasists
20:39
Speaker 1: that can't imagine what it's like and their lives are
20:42
Speaker 1: never being as fulfilled in the way that ours, so
20:45
Speaker 1: that they actually project them onto themselves a pseud of
20:49
Speaker 1: life in the military. Now, these guys are never going
20:51
Speaker 1: to have PTSD. These guys are never going to they're
20:54
Speaker 1: never going to be able to contribute to it. But
20:56
Speaker 1: what they are doing is they're making us, putting us
20:59
Speaker 1: into a position where they're ridiculing some of the greater
21:03
Speaker 1: work that guys like that would. Sorry the people like
21:05
Speaker 1: yourself are doing and so you're always going to come
21:08
Speaker 1: up against that. And then there's the other side that
21:10
Speaker 1: the people I just say, the institutionalized, that they've just
21:13
Speaker 1: gone far too far. They can't shake it off and
21:15
Speaker 1: again come back to it. That was a revelation in
21:18
Speaker 1: my PhD. I never thought that there would be a pattern,
21:21
Speaker 1: and yet there it is clear as loud as you want.
21:24
Speaker 1: The trauma of leaving is just as bad as the
21:27
Speaker 1: trauma of being in, and it's just as bad as
21:29
Speaker 1: the trauma as childhood. Triple whammy Chris, So, no wonder.
21:34
Speaker 3: Time, just one secon when I say, friends at home,
21:37
Speaker 3: could you please check if you're liked and so if
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Speaker 3: you're subscribed. We get a lot of people unsubscribed from
21:43
Speaker 3: this channel for some reason. And if you've never subscribed,
21:46
Speaker 3: maybe you'd consider it because we talk about the things
21:49
Speaker 3: here that you're not going to hear elsewhere. And if
21:52
Speaker 3: if you don't hear these things, you don't develop yourself
21:55
Speaker 3: as a person, and that is so critical on your
21:58
Speaker 3: you know, your enlightenment journey is that you listen to everything,
22:03
Speaker 3: you take it in, and you develop the cognition to
22:06
Speaker 3: process it. So that's what we're here to help you
22:09
Speaker 3: with Can I just shout out the every summer itself,
22:13
Speaker 3: which I'm going to be, which will be taking place
22:17
Speaker 3: beginning in April. My expedition starts over there in the Himalayas.
22:23
Speaker 3: If you can chuck in a five of folks, there
22:25
Speaker 3: is a link below if you if you understand what
22:29
Speaker 3: Tam and I are saying, or you empathize with it,
22:32
Speaker 3: if you can chuck in a bit more, great, But
22:37
Speaker 3: I won't be upset if a five is all you've got.
22:39
Speaker 3: That's that's really really kind of you, And thank you
22:42
Speaker 3: to everyone that's chipped in so far. Tom. I'm going
22:45
Speaker 3: to just chuck a couple of things out here, and
22:47
Speaker 3: then I want to finish off by talking about how
22:53
Speaker 3: do people get out of this? What what what do
22:55
Speaker 3: they need to know, what do they need to recognize,
22:58
Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera. But one of the things I
23:02
Speaker 3: want to raise awareness is I don't think the charities
23:04
Speaker 3: are helping. I'm not a big fan of corporate charities anyway.
23:09
Speaker 3: When I see a lot of people doing, for example,
23:12
Speaker 3: stuff for cancer research, my heart just fricking drops, especially
23:17
Speaker 3: when it's for a military. You know, it's military people
23:20
Speaker 3: doing it because I know, I know the reality of
23:22
Speaker 3: what's what's behind a lot of these charities and their
23:26
Speaker 3: you know, their intentions. Can can we say, I really
23:30
Speaker 3: don't think, for example, a charity talk professing to cure
23:35
Speaker 3: cancer ever really wants cancer to be cured? Do they that?
23:38
Speaker 1: Literally when they existence?
23:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a corporate materialistic world, that makes no sense
23:46
Speaker 3: at all, So that's not helpful. In the same vein
23:50
Speaker 3: these charities that have set themselves up off the back
23:53
Speaker 3: of Afghanistan and before that Iraq, and they all use
23:59
Speaker 3: the catchy tied you know, warrior wounded, you know this
24:04
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. It's and in their right up when
24:07
Speaker 3: you read the write up is don't let our soldiers
24:10
Speaker 3: fall behind. They fought for you on the battlefield and
24:13
Speaker 3: they brought the horror home. They need your support. It's like, well,
24:17
Speaker 3: hang on a sec. I would say, Statistically, most of
24:20
Speaker 3: the veterans we're losing didn't get traumatized in conflict, probably
24:25
Speaker 3: because most people never see it. Even if you go
24:27
Speaker 3: in combat, you're still statistically unlikely to fire a shot
24:33
Speaker 3: or have one fired at you. Myself don't know about
24:36
Speaker 3: you timing the Northern Ireland conflict we had, we were
24:39
Speaker 3: involved in three we're four maybe five contacts, even to
24:47
Speaker 3: the point where as I mentioned before, the chap behind
24:49
Speaker 3: me on patrol got hit three times. I swear brother
24:53
Speaker 3: didn't traumatize me at anything. To me, I was just like,
24:57
Speaker 3: that's my job. I was proud to do it. I
25:00
Speaker 3: was a man, albeit I was a very young man.
25:02
Speaker 3: I was nineteen, and I went forward as a rulery.
25:05
Speaker 3: Didn't I'm not I'm not saying I can't speak for everyone, obviously,
25:08
Speaker 3: and everyone's different, and that's fine. But my point is
25:11
Speaker 3: you're out there, you're a veteran, you're struggling. You don't
25:15
Speaker 3: know why you're feeling these things, but you're feeling this darkness,
25:19
Speaker 3: this lack of self worth, this lack of love that
25:22
Speaker 3: you know, why should I be here? Nobody? Nobody care? Okay,
25:26
Speaker 3: I'm useless and nobody cares. That's the that's the absent
25:29
Speaker 3: father talking to you, right, or the overbearing father or
25:34
Speaker 3: mother or whatever it might be. And they're thinking, well,
25:38
Speaker 3: do you know what, I can't go to one of
25:40
Speaker 3: these charities or call one of these helplines, can I?
25:42
Speaker 3: Because I haven't been in combat, you know, I wasn't
25:45
Speaker 3: in and they're just set up for war heroes and
25:49
Speaker 3: I'm not that. I'm you know, I stack blankets or
25:54
Speaker 3: I packed parachutes or whatever it might be, and not
25:57
Speaker 3: And do you see what I'm getting at? T they're
25:59
Speaker 3: misleading then misleading people.
26:02
Speaker 1: It's institutionalization that you're referring back to. Again, you know,
26:06
Speaker 1: the three different types that you'll get out of the
26:09
Speaker 1: army however, or the military sorry, however, your point being
26:13
Speaker 1: it comes back to people don't really they're not really
26:17
Speaker 1: interested this whole thing, you know, self sacrifice and all
26:22
Speaker 1: the rest of it. You know, they don't understand the
26:24
Speaker 1: military mind that takes you into a position where you're
26:27
Speaker 1: prepared to put yourself in a combat situation. And because
26:31
Speaker 1: they don't, they can't relate to that. But when you're
26:33
Speaker 1: confronted with something on cell you Lloyd, you know, like
26:36
Speaker 1: a documentary or something that there's always an agenda, there's
26:39
Speaker 1: always a plot, there's a story to be told, whereas
26:41
Speaker 1: the real stories very very very rarely get told because
26:45
Speaker 1: if they did, people, as I said, people just would
26:47
Speaker 1: not join the army if you really really get down
26:51
Speaker 1: there and explain. But again we come back to that
26:54
Speaker 1: the propaganda people are not interested. So yeah, it's it's
27:00
Speaker 1: how do you get from where you are to get
27:02
Speaker 1: your message across the people that, yeah they're aware, but
27:05
Speaker 1: they're not really interested. What's it going to take for it?
27:08
Speaker 1: And this is this is a fundamental problem.
27:10
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Sorry, Tom, I'm looking over there because the
27:13
Speaker 3: chats flying, and I've been, ah, I've been putting it,
27:17
Speaker 3: putting it up on the screen, screen some of some
27:20
Speaker 3: of it's not coming up, folks. I'm not sure. I'm
27:22
Speaker 3: not sure why. There we go and yes, so so
27:27
Speaker 3: there we go. And I had someone say to me
27:28
Speaker 3: the other so, oh, some people, Chris get they get
27:32
Speaker 3: traumatizing more. I know, I've worked with, you know, people
27:37
Speaker 3: experiencing moral injury, and moral injury for friends at home
27:41
Speaker 3: is when you've experienced something or you've done something in
27:45
Speaker 3: combat in theater that you later find really hard to
27:50
Speaker 3: live with. And I personally, I think, because of my makeup,
27:55
Speaker 3: I'm really glad Tom, I never had to kill anyone,
27:58
Speaker 3: you know, And I just think that would really be
28:01
Speaker 3: a burden. When you mature and you get older and
28:04
Speaker 3: you have the ability to look back and reflect and
28:06
Speaker 3: do the research on these things. Find out what really
28:10
Speaker 3: was the driver behind that conflict, not some nonsense they
28:13
Speaker 3: told us on the news. I can understand that, you know,
28:17
Speaker 3: that must be really, really difficult, But research has shown
28:22
Speaker 3: that people with adverse childhood experiences are significantly a hot
28:29
Speaker 3: higher risk of suffering moral injury from their combat experience.
28:35
Speaker 1: Yes, because they're already on a journey of self depreciation
28:39
Speaker 1: and self denial because of their childhood experience. As I say, everybody,
28:43
Speaker 1: childhood is by itself, by its nature traumatic. But again
28:47
Speaker 1: that doesn't legislate for the actual experiences that some kids
28:51
Speaker 1: go through. So yeah, adding on that to being in
28:55
Speaker 1: an organization, especially not like you're going a fifteen year
28:58
Speaker 1: old as a boy soldier. Your brain's not developed properly.
29:01
Speaker 1: You're still evolving. You know, when we get to twenty one,
29:04
Speaker 1: twenty two, we stop growing. We're still getting pimples and spots.
29:07
Speaker 1: And you bringing in a fourteen, fifteen year old kid,
29:09
Speaker 1: throwing them in a uniform and then training them to
29:12
Speaker 1: be a killer. And that's all the references you've got
29:15
Speaker 1: and what parents in their right mind, when you think
29:18
Speaker 1: about it, would send our sons off to do something
29:21
Speaker 1: like that. This is what always got me. And again
29:23
Speaker 1: I don't know about the Marines, but I can speak
29:25
Speaker 1: for the Parachute Regiment. The vast majority of junior soldiers
29:28
Speaker 1: were members who were somebody or a brother or somebody
29:32
Speaker 1: had been in the regiment and they were obliged to
29:34
Speaker 1: follow on in family lines. Now take that through a
29:37
Speaker 1: military service, as I say, twenty two to twenty five years,
29:40
Speaker 1: you get the institutionalization. Yeah, that is not the combat
29:44
Speaker 1: stress that we're looking at, which is different, which is
29:47
Speaker 1: the actual stress that you go through from seeing something shocking,
29:51
Speaker 1: something horrendous that impartshit. So these they're all handleable with
29:58
Speaker 1: a different strategy. But there's no point in having the
30:01
Speaker 1: perfect strategy in all the answers if nobody's going to
30:04
Speaker 1: listen to you. And here's the problem, it's you wear
30:07
Speaker 1: a very small voice in a very loud echo chamber. Because,
30:11
Speaker 1: as I said, across four percent of the population against eleven,
30:16
Speaker 1: fourteen or seventeen percent where you want to take the
30:18
Speaker 1: actual figures, that's a lot of people from a very
30:21
Speaker 1: small part of society that end up with stress. Where's
30:25
Speaker 1: the resource, where's even the research, the genuine research to
30:28
Speaker 1: resolve this? Well, as I found out, they won't do
30:31
Speaker 1: it because if they do it, it's an admission in itself,
30:34
Speaker 1: inherent in the problem of encouraging people to join an
30:38
Speaker 1: organization in which one of your jobs is to kill,
30:42
Speaker 1: or name or destroy. So when you put that against
30:45
Speaker 1: all the hollywoodization and all the romantization of it, and
30:48
Speaker 1: you know, all the things about people winning medals and
30:51
Speaker 1: all that, you bring in a whole different argument. And
30:55
Speaker 1: that's why people don't care. They just don't care because
30:58
Speaker 1: they've never experienced it for them self. Watch it on
31:01
Speaker 1: a screen, interpret take a feeling, maybe a little bit
31:04
Speaker 1: of empathy and understanding, But you can't smell it, you
31:08
Speaker 1: can't taste it. You don't really know what fear is.
31:12
Speaker 1: And that can stick with you for the rest of
31:14
Speaker 1: your life. So how do you get rid of a
31:17
Speaker 1: moment like that? Well, you need help, you need services,
31:21
Speaker 1: you need support. But as you said, with so many
31:23
Speaker 1: people out there needing it and so little money and
31:26
Speaker 1: resources going in to help it, this is no wonder
31:28
Speaker 1: that we've got so many people unaliving themselves on the
31:31
Speaker 1: streets of our country in disastrous, poor situations. It's disgusting,
31:36
Speaker 1: it's reprehensible, and it's true and it's happening even as
31:39
Speaker 1: we speak. And like I say, last night, finding out
31:42
Speaker 1: against about another one heartbreaking that could have been prevented
31:47
Speaker 1: by an outreach, but nobody wants to listen to people
31:49
Speaker 1: like you and me.
31:50
Speaker 3: What gets me, Tom is when you say, like the
31:54
Speaker 3: last chat, the last row Raine, which about a week ago,
31:58
Speaker 3: the guy was clearly sort of our age or you
32:01
Speaker 3: know there back and when he took himself out of
32:04
Speaker 3: the game, you left thinking, my god, that damage was
32:07
Speaker 3: there for you all the time years. If it were
32:11
Speaker 3: the childhood stuff, that's best part of six sixty years
32:15
Speaker 3: that guy has been carrying that burden and not one
32:19
Speaker 3: person has tapped him on the show and gun listen Son,
32:22
Speaker 3: you know, let's go and have a chat.
32:24
Speaker 1: Well with you, Yeah, with your eraising awareness and the
32:27
Speaker 1: things that you're doing. And I don't see stunts that
32:29
Speaker 1: you put them because I'm not stunts. There's proper thought
32:32
Speaker 1: out ways, you know. And again that military said that
32:36
Speaker 1: hard man said mine, I'm much more on the soft
32:39
Speaker 1: I'm trying to help people come to terms. I put
32:42
Speaker 1: it this way, is to realize what's wrong, is to
32:46
Speaker 1: reset your mind, and then it's to resurge and you've
32:49
Speaker 1: done it, and others have done it. But like you
32:52
Speaker 1: just said, two minutes ago, this guy who had nobody
32:55
Speaker 1: able to put our hand and help him. Just imagine
32:58
Speaker 1: if you'd been able to spend ten with someone like
33:00
Speaker 1: myself who could reframe it all and put it in
33:03
Speaker 1: a context from them, some way of finding it out. Now,
33:07
Speaker 1: my methods are controversial, I agree, but they work. And
33:11
Speaker 1: the reason that they work is because I've been there,
33:13
Speaker 1: and I've done it, and I've seen it, and I've
33:15
Speaker 1: studied it, and I've lived in it, and folks out there,
33:19
Speaker 1: I still suffer post traumatic stress. It will never ever
33:24
Speaker 1: leave me to think of it like this. I can
33:27
Speaker 1: go to a psychiatrist or a psychologist. It's like cutting
33:30
Speaker 1: your hand. They put a plaster on top of it
33:33
Speaker 1: to make it heal, but the healing is inherent in
33:36
Speaker 1: the skin. It's the same with the mind. The mind
33:39
Speaker 1: and body are one. If you are scarred in your mind,
33:42
Speaker 1: the healing is inherent in there. And so therefore being
33:45
Speaker 1: able to get inside and find out what the issue
33:48
Speaker 1: is and be able to deal with it and then
33:50
Speaker 1: lay on an overmap a different way of thinking, a
33:53
Speaker 1: different way of being that takes guts and courage. But
33:57
Speaker 1: when I work with people who are willing to take
33:59
Speaker 1: that path, I see results. Now. I can never say
34:03
Speaker 1: that I've stopped someone going and going and unliving themselves
34:06
Speaker 1: or anything. I've never been in that position, but I
34:09
Speaker 1: certainly know that the people that I've encountered, and people
34:12
Speaker 1: have given advice to and listened to and understood just
34:16
Speaker 1: that process of having somebody listen just for a few minutes,
34:20
Speaker 1: that can be the trigger. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
34:23
Speaker 1: That can be the trigger that reframes their whole life
34:26
Speaker 1: and gives them an opportunate to move. But there again,
34:29
Speaker 1: there's the other side of it. Yeah, the people, the
34:31
Speaker 1: virtue signalers. He goes, look at me, poor me. I've
34:34
Speaker 1: been through this. You were telling me a story earlier
34:37
Speaker 1: before before we went live, and that character you described
34:41
Speaker 1: was absolutely perfect example of that. I am a superman,
34:45
Speaker 1: I am wrong, nothing can affect me, et cetera, et cetera,
34:48
Speaker 1: et cetera. And then he ends up in the same position,
34:52
Speaker 1: comes out of the army. Yeah, dada, YadA, yadda, I
34:54
Speaker 1: can't cope, can't live a society and removes himself. You know,
34:58
Speaker 1: where's the support and when you talk about charities, you
35:02
Speaker 1: talk about charities full of well meaning people, well meaning,
35:05
Speaker 1: well meaning, well intentioned people with very bare knowledge, little ability,
35:10
Speaker 1: and limited resources to make any change. So it's it's
35:15
Speaker 1: a niche charity that we live in. You bring out
35:18
Speaker 1: and I know this because I used to work for
35:20
Speaker 1: a charity for blind and nothing. I'm sure you bring
35:23
Speaker 1: the little fluffy dog and millions come in the little puppy. Yeah,
35:28
Speaker 1: millions come in because of oh oh, human beings. As
35:31
Speaker 1: I said, nobody gives a fuck, and there in lies
35:34
Speaker 1: the problem. So yeah, I know we're short on time.
35:36
Speaker 1: Chris Soldier on, my friend Soldier on, I want all
35:40
Speaker 1: your audience to sit down and seriously think about making
35:43
Speaker 1: a donation to this man, because without them, there's still
35:45
Speaker 1: people out there who are struggling. So thank you and
35:49
Speaker 1: thank you Chris, Yes.
35:50
Speaker 3: Thank you. Dr Tom. You know, I just want to
35:53
Speaker 3: explain to us. Someone said to me the other day, like,
35:55
Speaker 3: why don't you just stay at home and you can
35:58
Speaker 3: And I was like, what do you mean? He said,
36:01
Speaker 3: we'll just help veterans by step. I was like, I
36:03
Speaker 3: don't understand the logic behind I stay at home and
36:06
Speaker 3: do nothing and that somehow is going to magic, you know,
36:11
Speaker 3: help for veterans. And I thought, surely it's better to
36:16
Speaker 3: pick the I know, Everest isn't like the toughest amountain
36:19
Speaker 3: to climb. I'm not trying to say it, but in
36:22
Speaker 3: society's minds, it's the biggest, toughest, gnarliest platform which to
36:27
Speaker 3: tackle and to get up there, to get up there,
36:31
Speaker 3: putting your life at risk.
36:33
Speaker 1: To bring attention awareness.
36:36
Speaker 3: To this important issue and get people talking like the
36:40
Speaker 3: people that are talking in the chat chat Now that
36:43
Speaker 3: it clearly means, that clearly means a lot to you
36:46
Speaker 3: know that that that is far more important in the
36:52
Speaker 3: grand scheme of us as as a global community developing
36:57
Speaker 3: our understanding of this issue, and me being able to
37:01
Speaker 3: put the message out that my story coming from being homeless,
37:05
Speaker 3: chronically addicted and mentally unwell whilst working incidentally as a
37:11
Speaker 3: dormant for a Hong Kong crime syndicate, Right, if I
37:15
Speaker 3: can come back from that, and anybody can, I think
37:20
Speaker 3: putting that message out tam If it was to only
37:23
Speaker 3: save one person, that's priceless. That's priceless. But if let's
37:30
Speaker 3: just to say I used to go out and take
37:32
Speaker 3: a bank loan out and give a charity thirty grand.
37:36
Speaker 1: Paying people's salaries.
37:38
Speaker 3: They look at it and go They look at it
37:40
Speaker 3: and say, well, that doesn't even pay half my salary
37:42
Speaker 3: this year exactly. And by the way, you know, even
37:47
Speaker 3: if my salary is covered, that's that's like our photocopy
37:50
Speaker 3: of Bill and our when we all go to a
37:53
Speaker 3: conference and we all stay in you know, four star
37:56
Speaker 3: hotels and there's a buffet laid on every day. You
38:00
Speaker 3: know that we pay a caterer to two or three
38:04
Speaker 3: thousand pounds. Do you know what I mean? What I'm
38:06
Speaker 3: trying to say here is not about the money, folks.
38:10
Speaker 3: It's not about Yeah, it's not about just getting money
38:13
Speaker 3: and giving it to a veteran or giving it. It's
38:17
Speaker 3: it's about raising or just raising awareness and saying why
38:22
Speaker 3: is no one talking about it? And let's get some
38:24
Speaker 3: professionals to come on my show and say, Chris, you're
38:28
Speaker 3: quite right, I've been working on this bit of research
38:31
Speaker 3: or i've you know, I've been looking in this area.
38:35
Speaker 3: And on that note, Tom, let's just put you know,
38:38
Speaker 3: let's reach out to anyone out there who's struggling. Veteran
38:43
Speaker 3: non military doesn't all the same to us, right.
38:48
Speaker 1: Man, your health is one of our biggest issues, Chris.
38:50
Speaker 3: So I'll go first. I'll say, you know, there's days
38:54
Speaker 3: when you wake up where life isn't the way that
38:57
Speaker 3: you want it to be. That's when you've got to
38:59
Speaker 3: keep your eye on the price and remember that there's
39:02
Speaker 3: always light at the end of a tunnel, and that
39:06
Speaker 3: if you was to disappear today, so many people would
39:10
Speaker 3: be absolutely devastated, gutted. They would miss you so much,
39:16
Speaker 3: and they would just wish that they could make you
39:20
Speaker 3: somehow come back. And don't throw it all away because
39:25
Speaker 3: of some issue from childhood that you can get over,
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Speaker 3: you can work around. We've all had to, like Tom
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Speaker 3: said that it would always be there, but you get
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Speaker 3: your workarounds and don't. Certainly in the case of my
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Speaker 3: friend Craig Craig who was supposed to be in the
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Speaker 3: boat next to me when we rowed across the Atlantic
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Speaker 3: in our sister boat, I mean, he left this awful
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Speaker 3: message it's down here on it's down here in his
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Speaker 3: Facebook profile, folks, left this awful message to us all
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Speaker 3: when he said, by the time you read this, I'll
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Speaker 3: no longer be here. And in craze case. He specifically
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Speaker 3: stated that three people had really or a bunch of
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Speaker 3: people had let him down. And I always say, don't
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Speaker 3: ever put your self worth on other people. You are
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Speaker 3: an absolute legend. You are unique in yourself and you're
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Speaker 3: on your special journey. And if you get a wobble,
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Speaker 3: remember you're a manifestation of the divine right, your God
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Speaker 3: experiencing himself through your beautiful creation. And that is your
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Speaker 3: first where you reach out. First, you reach out to
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Speaker 3: the you know, to to what you truly are, which
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Speaker 3: is the all that everything, your majestic. Don't don't go
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Speaker 3: to people because people are beautiful, people are wonderful, but
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Speaker 3: they will often let you down. And if you're of
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Speaker 3: a sensitive nature through historical trauma, I understand that's upsetting.
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Speaker 3: But when you put them to one side and just
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Speaker 3: tune into the divine energy, they call it meditating. To
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Speaker 3: shut your eyes, take all those noise and all those
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Speaker 3: thoughts out of your head. Forget the past because it
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Speaker 3: doesn't exist. Future doesn't exist either. You've just got this
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Speaker 3: beautiful moment, cooler now where everything is all right, and
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Speaker 3: this perceived future where you have to be this character
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Speaker 3: or you need to be seen to be this or
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Speaker 3: earning this money or loved by all that it that
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Speaker 3: that doesn't actually exist. You've just got the now and
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Speaker 3: it's absolutely fine. And yeah, keep believing in you and
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Speaker 3: your your special dream.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Chris, it's not a dream with you, it's a
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Speaker 1: reality and you're actually making that happening. And again, I
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Speaker 1: was always a lot blessing and thank you for the
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Speaker 1: opportunity for me is to have someone to talk to.
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Speaker 3: Yes, thank you, Tom. Shall we bring it to a
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Speaker 3: close there, yeah yeah.
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Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, be going for a walk and I think
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Speaker 1: about you know what we've done.
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Speaker 3: Here, and we'll put your links below this Tam. Also, friends,
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Speaker 3: if I can just remind you to like and subscribe again,
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Speaker 3: that would be awesome. If I don't ask people, folks,
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Speaker 3: we never get any people all. This video just doesn't
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Speaker 3: get any subscribers. I know that sounds crazy. We actually
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Speaker 3: lose subscribers every day times. It's crazy after six years
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Speaker 3: hard work. But hey ho. And just a reminder folks
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Speaker 3: that the go fundme link is at the in the
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Speaker 3: Please don't just scroll on bite in the next video,
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Speaker 3: just chip in a fiver. It says an awful lot
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Speaker 3: about who you are as well, I always think, and
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Speaker 3: that's that. So look after yourselves, keep smiling much love friends.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for listening to the Bought the t Shirt Podcast.
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