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Mac & Bone Hour 2: Panthers Blame Game · Mac & Bone Podcast

• 0:27
  Speaker 1: It was execution.
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: There was a couple of little wrinkles, but most of
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: the stuff fit within what they've done. They've done a
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: lot in the last year, and so we had a
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: ton of film to be able to watch and look at.
• 0:38
  Speaker 2: But it started off with the run game, and certainly
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: on our side, on the offensive side, we didn't get
• 0:43
  Speaker 2: the run game going either. And we took advantage of
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: turnover on downs to turn that into points, and they
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: had a fumble as well. So we were able to
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: capitalize on some of those things, but it was certainly
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: a collective group, and that starts with me.
• 1:00
  Speaker 3: Oh, that is Coach Canales. He had some tape watching
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  Speaker 3: last night. I'm sure that was fun. I can relate.
• 1:08
  Speaker 3: I rewatched that damn entire debacle yesterday. I guess only
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  Speaker 3: half debacle because, my God, the offense put up 37
• 1:15
  Speaker 3: and Bryce and Coker and Chuba and so many of
• 1:18
  Speaker 3: those boys.
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  Speaker 1: T-Mac eventually got going. Took a while.
• 1:21
  Speaker 4: I was getting antsy there to get him involved, but
• 1:23
  Speaker 4: eventually he got going.
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  Speaker 3: Although the fumble was killer. We didn't talk about the
• 1:27
  Speaker 3: fumble in the first hour. We talked about the Brown penalties.
• 1:31
  Speaker 3: The fumble. We're down 14 and driving. to where we
• 1:34
  Speaker 3: can make it a one-score game and he freaking fumbles.
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  Speaker 3: And that play by Bryce was tremendous. The way he
• 1:39
  Speaker 3: moved Bone and then hit T-Mac back the other way,
• 1:42
  Speaker 3: going across the other way across the field. So many mistakes.
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  Speaker 4: That looked like a guy that you draft number one
• 1:49
  Speaker 4: overall out of Alabama yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: That looked like.
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  Speaker 4: That looked like Bryce as good as we've seen for
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  Speaker 4: the most part yesterday.
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  Speaker 5: 100%.
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  Speaker 1: In terms of like, I know he's.
• 1:59
  Speaker 4: Had bigger yardage days, but just the way he attacked
• 2:02
  Speaker 4: the game and his confidence and comfort level, that was
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  Speaker 4: some of the best of Bryce. Not playing in the
• 2:10
  Speaker 4: Dome in Atlanta, where he normally becomes a whole other
• 2:13
  Speaker 4: human being.
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  Speaker 3: He goes in with that momentum against a team that
• 2:16
  Speaker 3: he has shredded.
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  Speaker 1: Knock all wood. I don't want to jinx it.
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  Speaker 3: I've already been told by multiple people we were responsible
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  Speaker 3: for the Panthers' defensive performance bone. So I'll tread lightly. But, man,
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  Speaker 3: that was a great freaking start. No doubt about it
• 2:31
  Speaker 3: for Bryce Young. The problem is the defense played the
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  Speaker 3: worst it has played in the history of the franchise.
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  Speaker 3: You know, just point blank period. 552 yards allowed.
• 2:40
  Speaker 4: That's the third most yards ever given up in a game.
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  Speaker 4: And 59 points the most. The most points. They cleared
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  Speaker 4: that by seven. It hadn't been more than 52 before this.
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  Speaker 4: It's the most yards back since.
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  Speaker 4: That game at Pittsburgh, the game where Cam got rocked
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  Speaker 4: by Watt, that game they gave up the most yards
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  Speaker 4: before yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: It was so frustrating to watch because they spent money.
• 3:06
  Speaker 3: They spent $ 120 million.
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  Speaker 4: That was most points. I'm sorry, 52 was the points
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  Speaker 4: in that game. All right, get it straight over there.
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  Speaker 4: Can we start ripping guys now? To spend $ 120 million
• 3:17
  Speaker 4: on Phillips. to spend 45 on Lloyd, to talk all
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  Speaker 4: offseason about top 10 defense, and for them to go
• 3:27
  Speaker 4: out there and do that, all the stressing we did
• 3:30
  Speaker 4: about the offense and for the offense to play like
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  Speaker 4: that and for it to mean nothing. because the defense
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  Speaker 4: was that bad is beyond frustrating.
• 3:40
  Speaker 1: It really is, man.
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  Speaker 3: And it's the, it's however you slice it. It was
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  Speaker 3: one side of the ball that was so unprepared to
• 3:49
  Speaker 3: start a football season. It is a very bad trend.
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  Speaker 3: Now the three years before this bone, it was the
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  Speaker 3: offense that was woefully unprepared scoring 10 points in each game.
• 4:00
  Speaker 3: But now the offense is prepared. The offense goes off.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, we went up against a bad defense. That
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  Speaker 3: does need to be said, but the defense is not prepared.
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  Speaker 3: It's just, it is extremely freaking it's uncomplimentary. Football bone
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  Speaker 3: is what it is. One side of the ball plays great.
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  Speaker 3: And the other side of the ball plays the worst
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  Speaker 3: it ever has. And the common thread, five straight openers lost.
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  Speaker 3: And the common thread is one side of the ball.
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  Speaker 3: looks like they didn't even know the season was starting
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  Speaker 3: or hadn't watched one bit of tape on a damn opponent.
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  Speaker 4: Mac, here's the interesting part about what happened yesterday with
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  Speaker 4: one side looking so much better than the other. I
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  Speaker 4: would rather have it play out, though, and not that
• 4:44
  Speaker 4: I would want the defense to have an historically bad day,
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  Speaker 4: but if you told me one of the areas of
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  Speaker 4: the team is going to have their worst day ever.
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  Speaker 4: I would rather it be the defense and the offense
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  Speaker 4: get off to a hot start because entering the season,
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  Speaker 4: I had more concerns about the offense and what they
• 5:01
  Speaker 4: can be than the defense. I thought this could be
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  Speaker 4: a top 10 defense. Yeah, yesterday was terrible, and obviously
• 5:07
  Speaker 4: there's some things to fix and things to adjust, but
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  Speaker 4: I still believe... With all that star power on that defense,
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  Speaker 4: they could still be a really good defense. The offense
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  Speaker 4: getting going yesterday, to me, was almost just as valuable
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  Speaker 4: as anything because that defense, I think, will get better.
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  Speaker 4: And if the offense is going to match that defense,
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  Speaker 4: we finally have a balanced football team. Yeah, I can
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  Speaker 4: see your point on that. It's hard today to go there.
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  Speaker 4: That's more of like a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday for me. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I'll come back on Tuesday.
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  Speaker 3: But for me right now, it's just like, let's just
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: vent about who annoyed the crap out of us. And
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  Speaker 3: I hate to single out Princely to start, but it
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  Speaker 3: was Princely, it was all the edges that lost contain
• 5:51
  Speaker 3: of Williams. You can't tell me that wasn't a focus
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  Speaker 3: in the game plan going in. And I know it's
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  Speaker 3: easier said than done. He's slippery, man. He looked like
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  Speaker 3: Michael Vick back in the day against the Panthers defense.
• 6:04
  Speaker 1: Really did.
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  Speaker 3: The amount of times we allowed him to escape outside
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  Speaker 3: the pocket only to make big plays in the run
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  Speaker 3: game and the pass game was infuriating.
• 6:13
  Speaker 1: It really was.
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  Speaker 3: And I do feel like bone, you miss Gordon and
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: Pat Jones there in terms of containing there on the edge.
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  Speaker 3: But then we, we gave up 291 yards, rushing a
• 6:25
  Speaker 3: hundred yards, rushing to each bat. Why the hell did
• 6:28
  Speaker 3: that happen? Why was that so easy to run the
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  Speaker 3: damn football like that? Um, the Derek Brown penalties are
• 6:35
  Speaker 3: so uncharacteristic, but when things are going bad, you need
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  Speaker 3: your star to step up and say, I got you.
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: You don't need your star to say, I'm going to
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  Speaker 3: make it worse. And he's so accountable. I can't stay
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  Speaker 3: mad at you, Derrick Brown, but today it has to
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  Speaker 3: be noted. I said in the first hour, and I
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  Speaker 3: don't think you can argue against it, that he cost
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  Speaker 3: us 11 points.
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  Speaker 1: Now that still leaves us with 48 giving up.
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  Speaker 3: But 11 points are on our best football player because
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  Speaker 3: they get a touchdown instead of settling for a field goal,
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  Speaker 3: which was the likely outcome if he doesn't have the
• 7:12
  Speaker 3: late hit. And I'm not whining about the refs. I
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  Speaker 3: don't know about y'all. I ain't blaming the refs. I
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  Speaker 3: thought that was late and unnecessary. And then the one,
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  Speaker 3: the offsides on the interception, that costs us seven points.
• 7:22
  Speaker 3: They score right after. It's just, I mean, everybody did something.
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  Speaker 4: It was uncharacteristic mental mistakes from Derrick Brown that ultimately
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  Speaker 4: cost him. So, yeah, he's as flawed as anybody, which
• 7:38
  Speaker 4: is rare to say, but big Derrick Brown fan. But
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  Speaker 4: he took accountability, and he should. The leader of the
• 7:44
  Speaker 4: team had one of his worst days as well. By
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  Speaker 4: the way, Mac, Caleb Williams was– He had 109 yards
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  Speaker 4: passing from outside.
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  Speaker 1: The pocket yesterday. I'm surprised it wasn't more, man. Not
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  Speaker 1: to mention the running.
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  Speaker 3: 65 yards rushing, too, he got out of it.
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  Speaker 4: He had 269 total, and 109 was outside the pocket yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was driving me crazy.
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  Speaker 3: And then the second half, after it got– because we're
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: right there in a game, and maybe my tweet did it.
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  Speaker 3: At 31-31, I tweeted out, what a freaking game. And
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  Speaker 3: from that point forward, we got outscored 28-6. I'm going
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  Speaker 3: to smack myself in my ugly face.
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  Speaker 1: Do it. Well, do it. We're not stopping you.
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  Speaker 4: Do it.
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  Speaker 1: There we go.
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  Speaker 6: Right there.
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  Speaker 1: There we go. Get the other side.
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  Speaker 3: Are you allowing others to smack you? No, that is
• 8:35
  Speaker 3: not part of the deal. That game got away from
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  Speaker 3: us really quick. They ran the ball bone. I think
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  Speaker 3: it was 18 times for 163 yards after it was
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  Speaker 3: tied 31-31. They scored touchdowns on four straight drives. We
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  Speaker 3: actually had a decent little stretch there defensively. Believe it
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  Speaker 3: or not, we had a five-possession stretch there defensively where
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  Speaker 3: I honestly thought, Bone, we were pretty good in four
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  Speaker 3: of them. And I'm trying to pull up the possession
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  Speaker 3: chart here. It was the one where, all right, turnover...
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  Speaker 3: Turnover on downs by the Bears. There was mistakes being
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  Speaker 3: made on both sides back and forth. Turnover on downs
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  Speaker 3: by the Bears. Arrogant Ben Johnson got ridiculously arrogant, went
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  Speaker 3: for it with a seven-point lead in the first half
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  Speaker 3: from his own 21. What a stuff by the Brown
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  Speaker 3: brothers and Lloyd on that play. And then we go score.
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  Speaker 3: Then we force a three and out, Bone. Unfortunately, Horn
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  Speaker 3: drops that punt. but we hold them to a field goal,
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  Speaker 3: which I thought was a great defensive result. The next series,
• 9:41
  Speaker 3: they go 85 yards, Bone, in two minutes, basically, for
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  Speaker 3: the touchdown late half. But then in the second half,
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  Speaker 3: we get them on a three and out. I actually
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  Speaker 3: thought right there, Bone, we had a good defensive stretch,
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  Speaker 3: all things considered, relatively speaking. The offense tied the game
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  Speaker 3: at 31, and then we just proceeded bone to make
• 10:00
  Speaker 3: mistake after mistake. Derek, you know, you had Derek Brown's
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  Speaker 3: two mistakes. You had TMAC fumbling the football. You had
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  Speaker 3: the fourth and three where we went deep to TMAC
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  Speaker 3: and through an incompletion, the third and three before that,
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  Speaker 3: I was a little upset as good as it was bone.
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  Speaker 3: Your third and three, I would have liked to see
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  Speaker 3: them run the football there. And then let's see how
• 10:24
  Speaker 3: close we get. Do we get the first down? Do
• 10:26
  Speaker 3: we make it fourth and one? You could tell they
• 10:28
  Speaker 3: were going to go for it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I also thought when Bryce threw that third and three
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  Speaker 3: swing pass behind Brooks, Drew Brees brought up a very
• 10:40
  Speaker 3: good point. If Jonathan Brooks just kind of sees that
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: the defense is way back there, Brooks kind of ran
• 10:47
  Speaker 3: to the defender. like got himself covered. And I think
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: Bryce wanted him to kind of flare out more there
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: to the flat.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think, I think if.
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  Speaker 3: Brooks would have done as good as Brooks was on
• 10:58
  Speaker 3: the 48 yarder and, and he and Bryce had that
• 11:00
  Speaker 3: thing where Bryce pumped and pointed, go, go deep. And
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  Speaker 3: he hit them beautiful pass that one. They weren't on
• 11:06
  Speaker 3: the same page. And that one, if Brooks just says, Oh,
• 11:12
  Speaker 3: he's there. I'm not wheeling all the way there. I'm
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  Speaker 3: just going to come out here. We could have had
• 11:17
  Speaker 3: the first down, but that was killer, too. It was
• 11:19
  Speaker 3: about four things, Bone, that all went against us in
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  Speaker 3: that stretch. And next thing you know, we're down freaking 21.
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  Speaker 4: The biggest issue, I thought, with the Brown penalty, first
• 11:29
  Speaker 4: of all, I was mad at the rest, but it
• 11:31
  Speaker 4: was more I was just frustrated by the game in general.
• 11:34
  Speaker 4: Preston Buckner put me in my place and said the
• 11:36
  Speaker 4: captain can't put himself in that situation, which makes complete
• 11:39
  Speaker 4: sense on the roughing the passer call. The Mac, I
• 11:42
  Speaker 4: don't think I'm wrong in this. After that call, I
• 11:45
  Speaker 4: felt like the defense was deflated. It's a long day.
• 11:48
  Speaker 4: They're defending a lot of the grass because of how
• 11:53
  Speaker 4: explosive the Bears are. They thought they were off the field.
• 11:57
  Speaker 4: They had to defend another series. I felt like that
• 11:59
  Speaker 4: call right there, that defense said, oh, We have to
• 12:02
  Speaker 4: defend them even more here. I thought that call, Derrick
• 12:05
  Speaker 4: Brown putting himself in that spot, deflated the defense after
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: that play. And they were never quite the same after that,
• 12:11
  Speaker 4: were they?
• 12:11
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Absolutely. That was killer. The TMAC fumble. We had
• 12:15
  Speaker 3: a chance to cut it to seven. We're driving huge
• 12:18
  Speaker 3: play fumble. Was that his first catch of the game,
• 12:20
  Speaker 3: by the way? No, that was, that was cause he
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: had one. He caught the slant in the first half.
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: That's right.
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  Speaker 3: And then that there might've been one before that. That
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  Speaker 3: was when he was starting to kind of get going.
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: Might've been his third catch, but it was surprising how
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: quiet TMAC was. There was a play that killed me
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: in the first half where we had third and like
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: nine and we ran.
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  Speaker 1: And again, here I am.
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  Speaker 3: Like I should spend no time complaining about Brad Idzik
• 12:43
  Speaker 3: and the Panthers offense, but here I am. We swung
• 12:47
  Speaker 3: it out to the back on the left side, and
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  Speaker 3: on the right side was T-Mac one-on-one, beats his guy
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  Speaker 3: on a slant, and we go and run that third
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  Speaker 3: and nine swing pass.
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: That hurt. The Chuba one?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: On the other side.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if you could see it on the TV,
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  Speaker 3: on the other side, one-on-one with T-Mac.
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  Speaker 1: Why is that not where we're going?
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  Speaker 4: Couldn't see it on the TV, but I was yelling,
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  Speaker 4: why is that? We've tried that a million times. That's
• 13:16
  Speaker 4: your third and nine play? We've tried that a million
• 13:18
  Speaker 4: times before. Why is it swing pass to Chuba? That,
• 13:20
  Speaker 4: to me, I was going to bring it up anyway.
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  Speaker 4: By the way, Matt, the yards per carry yesterday for
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  Speaker 4: the Bears individually, just ghastly numbers because DeAndre Swift had
• 13:29
  Speaker 4: 18 attempts, 6.9 yards per carry. But one guy, not
• 13:33
  Speaker 4: a fun guy, but one guy, he has 10 yards
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  Speaker 4: per attempt. And then Caleb Williams has 6.5. All three
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: of their main runners yesterday, Matt, were six yards or
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: better on their yards per attempt.
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  Speaker 3: They had they had four run plays of 22 yards
• 13:48
  Speaker 3: or more. The 61 yarder was a backbreaker. And Princeley, again,
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  Speaker 3: I hate to do it to Princeley, man. He's a
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: guy that at this point we were expecting to be
• 13:56
  Speaker 3: a backup, and he had to play starter-type reps, right?
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: Although Gibson ended up playing more snaps than him. But
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: Princeley got moved on that run so severely. And again,
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: that's not necessarily his thing to be playing on rundowns,
• 14:10
  Speaker 3: on first down like that.
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  Speaker 5: I hate to be Monday morning quarterback because it's just
• 14:15
  Speaker 5: one game, long way to go. That defensive line missed
• 14:18
  Speaker 5: A'shaun Robinson yesterday. Like, I know we're down Skorton, no
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: Pat Jones, top 10 run defender in the NFL last year.
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: He would have helped. There's no doubt he would have helped.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: Bobby Brown was playing, just took us off. Bobby Brown
• 14:29
  Speaker 3: fighting through that injury. God, he was good fighting through
• 14:32
  Speaker 3: that injury. Lee Hunter played good.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Yes. Lee Hunter. How about that play where Lee Hunter?
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: He chased Caleb Williams down. His big old butt.
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: All the shiftier ends couldn't handle him. And big old
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: Lee Hunter said, I'll go out here and contain him.
• 14:43
  Speaker 5: And we finally saw his personality, Mac, because when they
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: zoomed in on him, he.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Was John Lovacaleb. He was.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, that was the first time we
• 14:51
  Speaker 5: saw the Lee Hunter that we thought we were going
• 14:53
  Speaker 5: to get because he's very vocal about what he makes plays.
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  Speaker 3: Five tackles, two pressures, made that play out in the flat.
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  Speaker 3: And his jersey just rests on his belly.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: I think you could question— It's like Flounder's shirt in
• 15:04
  Speaker 5: his pouch. Oh, no!
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Love you, clown. Stop it, man. Come on.
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: I think you can question some lineup things. But Fitty's
• 15:12
  Speaker 3: going way back to the offseason and questioning, should we
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: have cut H.L. Robinson to save $ 10 million cap room?
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: I think you can question, Bone, like people are questioning
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: why Cam Jackson wasn't in there. Like you get gashed
• 15:22
  Speaker 3: on the ground like that for seven yards of carry,
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  Speaker 3: and we've got a bunch of young, you know, interior defenders.
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  Speaker 3: Should Cam Jackson have been in there instead? He was inactive.
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: That's an interesting question. I think the Lee thing, He
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: gave up four completions, Bone, for 90 yards. The deep
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: one was, God, we gave up eight explosives, eight plays
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: of 20 yards or more. But anyway, on a defense
• 15:44
  Speaker 3: designed not to give up explosives. But you could question, like,
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: is Will Lee ready for that? Or should we do more, Horn,
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: you stay outside, Smith-Wade, you're inside? So there's a lot
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: of questions. The Avero thing will be discussed big time
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: on the show, no doubt.
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: When we come back, how accountable will Jim Zoki be
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: for his performance yesterday?
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: We'll find out. I feel like you guys covered it
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: pretty well.
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  Speaker 7: See you next week.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: You're out of here? Zoki, we're going to break. Is
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: that the segment? We're going to break, Zoki, not coming back.
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: When we come back, Jim Zoki, Panther Radio Network.
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ, Mac and Bone with you. It
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: does need to be noted, Bone, and shame on me,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: noted Panther Homer, for not pointing this out, Bone, until now.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: And thanks to the multiple texters who have pointed it out.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: We need to focus on the fact that as horrendous
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: as it was defensively yesterday, we are tied for first
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: place right now in the NFC South.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: How did we go this long?
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: That's the headline.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, how did we go this long? Jim Zoki joins us,
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: Panther Radio Network. Zok, I'm not on my Homer game today.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: How did it take this long for us to acknowledge that?
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: The lead was right there in front of you the
• 17:11
  Speaker 7: whole time. The first place Carolina Panthers head to Atlanta
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: for a tough division game this week.
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: First place battle.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: Also fourth in the league in points scored right now,
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: by the way, offensively on a roll right now.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: There you go. Behind, well. I don't want to tell
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: you who's number one in points.
• 17:26
  Speaker 4: Baltimore and Minnesota, a very high-scoring Week 1 yesterday.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 17:31
  Speaker 5: It was.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: And our matchup was the most high-scoring Week 1 matchup ever.
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: 96 points.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: And we were glad to help out. The Panthers 37-0 yesterday.
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: Yeah, without our help, that game would never have been
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: the record-setting performance that it was.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: If we played our regular Week 1 offense, 59-10, that
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: wouldn't have set any records. It could be worse, y'all.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Our offense could play like it normally does in week one.
• 17:52
  Speaker 7: That would have been a really bad Monday.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: Oh, man.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: You ain't kidding. You ain't kidding.
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: What did you, I mean, as you're watching this thing,
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: what are you thinking about that defensive performance? Because it was,
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: we spent the last few weeks stressing out about the offense,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: and I couldn't say enough about the top 10 defense.
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: We spent most of last week in our conversations, including
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: in here last Thursday, about Should Bryce Young's contract be extended?
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: And he was literally the highlight of the Panther day
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: was the way Bryce Young played. And again, no, that's
• 18:25
  Speaker 7: not the greatest defense, Chicago, despite the retooling of it.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: It's not a great defense.
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: And we knew on the other side, that's an explosive
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: Chicago offense. Ben Johnson famously said they want to be
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: the highest scoring offense in the NFL history. Well, they're
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: off to a good start on that, almost a point
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: per minute, one point away from 60. So, again, but
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: I just look at what we've done this offseason to
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: address the things on defense. And not everybody's healthy at
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: the same time, but you've got the main characters are
• 18:53
  Speaker 7: out there. I was just floored that it never turned.
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: Like sometimes a team will get on a heater for
• 18:58
  Speaker 7: a couple of series, and then you make adjustments and
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: things settle down. And we get it to 31-31 in
• 19:03
  Speaker 7: the third quarter and go, this could be like a
• 19:05
  Speaker 7: real all-time fun game. Like, this could be like the
• 19:08
  Speaker 7: Rams playoff game, but even more points. It was going
• 19:10
  Speaker 7: to be in the 40s. This is going to be
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: like a memorable game. And then it was just all
• 19:14
  Speaker 7: of them the rest of the way after that. We
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: just never did have an answer. And the thing that
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: is discouraging is it wasn't in one category. It was running.
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: It was passing. It was self-inflicted wounds. I mean, Derek Brown,
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: our best defensive player, and nobody was beating himself up
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: more than Derek Brown was beating himself up, basically led
• 19:31
  Speaker 7: directly to 14 points with the alignment that took away
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: the interception down in the end zone, then the roughing
• 19:37
  Speaker 7: the quarterback. He had third and 20 coming up. So basically,
• 19:40
  Speaker 7: those were two touchdowns handed there. Muff a punt by
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: Jimmy Horns, that sets him up for a short field.
• 19:45
  Speaker 7: So we helped with it. Even when you factor all
• 19:49
  Speaker 7: that in, it's still like 40 points they would have scored.
• 19:51
  Speaker 7: But I was stunned that it never turned at any
• 19:53
  Speaker 7: point in the four quarters away from that.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: What do you think is real, legitimate, long-term concerns defensively?
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: And what do you think is some of it week one,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: the Bears being awesome and stuff that can definitely be
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: fixed relatively soon? With Atlanta and Cleveland coming up, some
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: things will look a little better.
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: The schedule's going to help a lot. I mean, honestly,
• 20:11
  Speaker 7: to be that way, it's like Atlanta and Cleveland don't–
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: have the ability to put up 59 points in this season.
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: So that's not going to be a concern. So that
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: helps that the competition gets easier. It felt like there
• 20:22
  Speaker 7: were probably, based on, it was very collegiate. I thought
• 20:25
  Speaker 7: the game had, sometimes you watch college football, you go, well,
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: you don't see plays like that in the pros where
• 20:29
  Speaker 7: the quarterback drops back to throw and he runs 30 yards.
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: It's one thing to run 30 yards, but to run
• 20:34
  Speaker 7: 30 yards and not see a jersey for 30 yards,
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: as Caleb Williams did, that's very collegiate. college where the
• 20:38
  Speaker 7: breakdowns are that severe. We played Big 12 defense is
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: what you're saying. It was like the old whack days
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: with BYU or something. But it's like, I felt like
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: that leads to the fact that it's like, that's not
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: like technique and tackling. That's just like missed assignments and
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: people not in the places they're supposed to be. And
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: so obviously it burned, it's going to burn them. The
• 20:58
  Speaker 7: fire is going to be lit and they're going to
• 21:00
  Speaker 7: be working at correcting all those kinds of issues, which
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: are self-inflicted, correctable things. And again, Give credit to Chicago.
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: By the end of the year, they very well may
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: be the highest scoring, number one yardage team in the NFL.
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: So a rough opponent to start with. But again, that
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: was a ridiculous number, 550 yards, 59 points. As we said,
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: record-setting Panthers have never given up 52. I knew because
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: I looked up during the game. I was thinking, oh, yeah,
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: that's right, 52 with the Raiders back in the day
• 21:25
  Speaker 7: and another time, I think.
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: The Pittsburgh 2018 Thursday nighter where Cam got hit on
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: the shoulder was 52 to Pittsburgh.
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's right. And 52 is plenty. But when they
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: got 59, I was like, Dang it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: When they put up a Luke Keekly on the damn scoreboard,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: I'm just like, this ain't right.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: This is sick.
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: This is how we celebrate Luke Keekly?
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: Somebody texted Willie P and said, you did this to
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: Luke in his Hall of Fame year?
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: How dare you play defense like that?
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: I bet it wasn't a day like we raised the
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: 59 banner or something.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: That's true. Could have been worse. Could have been worse.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: That game, Zoki, as you know, broadcasting the game, because
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: of how high scoring it was, at one point Jacksonville-Cleveland
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: was done with their game.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: And the Panthers were still in the third quarter.
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a long game.
• 22:10
  Speaker 4: The end of that game was just the longest game ever. Yeah,
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: the length of a college football game. Back to Zoki's point, man.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: My God.
• 22:17
  Speaker 7: Oh, my God.
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Jim Zoki with us.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: The Monday view from the booth that he joins us for. Zok,
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: so you said, OK, we have so much talent on
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: this defense. It's clearly the most talent we've had since
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: Averro's been here. But I think that leads to people saying,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: we bought you all this talent. Why the heck do
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: we play our worst defensive game ever? Does that mean
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: it's coaching? What do you say about that? Because that's
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: the whole thing.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Is it coaching? I guess it's everybody.
• 22:48
  Speaker 7: Again, this was extreme, 59 points. But there were times
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: last year where we had games that were almost that extreme.
• 22:54
  Speaker 7: If this is 10 out of 10, we had some
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: 8 out of 10s last year where we've had these
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: same conversations. And I feel like last year, in finishing
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: kind of middle of the pack, defensively, it was that. Like,
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: they'd have a really bad showing, and then they would
• 23:05
  Speaker 7: show up and go, okay, now we see it. We
• 23:07
  Speaker 7: just had six quarterback sacks in the game following that,
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: and we held them to 17 points. So, again, I
• 23:14
  Speaker 7: think people will probably settle down on that aspect of
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: it over the next couple of weeks. Doesn't excuse what
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: happened yesterday, and I'm sure the coaching staff always points
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: at themselves first before the players out there. But, again,
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: Will Lee did have the fumble recovery early on, but
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: he talked about, obviously, giving up a good number of
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: yards out there. So, You're trusting a rookie. And so maybe,
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: you know, do we do we dial that back a
• 23:36
  Speaker 7: little bit more for the first part of the season
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: and get J.C. where we need him the most, maybe
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: more on the outside and and doing some things schematically
• 23:43
  Speaker 7: that are putting your best players in their best position
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: more often? Like we talked about, you know, now do
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: we have enough where a general can open it up
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: like you open up the offensive playbook? Can we open
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: up the defensive playbook? and be more risky, be more gambling,
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: move some pieces around, be less predictable. Maybe we need
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: to be a little bit more best players in best positions,
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: and then go after that as the season goes on,
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: as we get a little bit more confident.
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: They did blitz a ton. PFF had them with 54%
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: blitz percentage. I actually thought Devin Lloyd on the blitz
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: was better than Devin Lloyd, you know, back in coverage
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: or run defense. He is savage when he blitzes. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: we had a little success. But ultimately, Bone, like, it
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: didn't matter.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: We blitzed. I think PFF had Caleb.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Williams with a 146 passer rating.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: We didn't blitz. He had, like, a 120. Like, it
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: didn't matter.
• 24:30
  Speaker 7: He's very elusive.
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: God, that was killing us, the elusiveness.
• 24:33
  Speaker 7: We're walking through the halls after the game. We got
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: the postgame show. So it's me and Eugene with Pacheco.
• 24:38
  Speaker 7: And we run into Michael Dean Perry all the time.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, nice.
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: How great.
• 24:42
  Speaker 7: And I had to talk a little Cleveland Browns with
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: him over there, but he and Eugene know each other well.
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: And they started talking about it in the couple minutes
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: we stood there, and he said one word over and
• 24:50
  Speaker 7: over again, which is contained.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew what you were going to say.
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: It's contained, contained, contained, because when you have a quarterback
• 24:55
  Speaker 7: that elusive— it doesn't rattle him because he can make
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: the freakish plays that very few quarterbacks in the league
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: can with his feet.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: You've got to keep him in that pocket. How many
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: times they lose that contain?
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're not going to surprise. Now, we got to
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: him a couple times, no doubt. Jalen Phillips with the sack,
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: and I think Prinsley had one yesterday. So we had
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: some moments, but you're not percentage-wise going to be able
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: to hold that up because he's so elusive. And it
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: may not be that he takes off and runs for
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: 30 yards, but extends the play with his feet. So
• 25:19
  Speaker 7: you just kind of want to keep him there and
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: maybe almost drop and take more control. coverage away from
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: him as far as not trying to get to him
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: because he's not easy to rattle out there he just
• 25:29
  Speaker 7: invents a new play every time you try to go after.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: He was killing us when there was when he had
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: to move just killing us about 99 percent of texts
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: coming in right now are all blaming averro which i
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: get it you give up that many points yeah the
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: coaches will be blamed But there's got to be some accountability,
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: and I know there is with Derrick Brown.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: But there's got to be blame on the players just
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: simply not executing also here.
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's all going towards Averro. No one human
• 25:56
  Speaker 9: gave up the 59 points. It was a collective effort.
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: Averro's not telling Princely, hey, don't steal the edge. Yeah,
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: all the edge is not containing. Like, we're sitting here.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I love when we think we know more than football
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: lifers about football, and I do it too. I do
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: it too like a dummy. But it's like, I'm pretty sure,
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: why was I going to call you Smoke? I'm pretty
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: sure Zoke.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Zoke, not Smoke. Jim Smokey is a great name.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: But we do have a Smoke that works.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure, Zoke, that a big focus going in
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: was trying to keep him contained. But the execution was bad.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: How many times did Princely get sucked inside? Almost like
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the tackles know what they're doing, definitely, right? Oh, let
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: me get you in there. Now I got you pinned. Caleb,
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: go outside. And it wasn't just him. It happened to Gibson.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: It happened to Jeremiah Moot. It happened to Phillips. As
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: good as Phillips was on a couple of those plays,
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: set the edge. It happened to him. Now, one thing
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: I will say, and your guy, big-time Bernie Bowles, who
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: you work with over.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: There at WBT.
• 26:51
  Speaker 7: Wait, we got a Bernie Bowles guy? This is great.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear this. Bernie Bowles, like he
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: took it.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: He's usually worried about the Iran war and worried about
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: culture wars destroying America because he works at WBT. But
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: he took a minute to talk ball with us today.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: And he said, where was the spy? And when I
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: watched the game back last night, now I'm not watching
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: all 22. I noticed one play where I'm like.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: He's not talking CIA spy. He was talking football.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: I'm like, I saw one play early in the game
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: where I'm like, okay, Lloyd was spying. Like four guys
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: rushed and he just kind of stood right behind it.
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: But other than that, When you talk about Caleb taking
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: off and no one being there, like there was not
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: much spying.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: But again, I don't know. He's probably worried about taking
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: a guy out coverage. So I don't know.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: This is where I probably don't know enough defensive schematics.
• 27:36
  Speaker 7: It's a little pickier poison. And obviously there was plenty
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: of poison to go around with what we– put out
• 27:41
  Speaker 7: there I was thinking about the fact they almost scored
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: a point a minute so I was looking up the
• 27:44
  Speaker 7: time they actually had so they actually scored 59 in
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: 34 minutes of offense usually there's not enough time for
• 27:52
  Speaker 7: two teams to score that I mean think about they
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: didn't possess the ball as much as you would normally
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: need to score 59 points which makes it even worse
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: and that we scored 37 which means we ate up
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: a lot of clock spent a lot of time with
• 28:04
  Speaker 7: the football it makes it even more impressive they scored
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: 59 in the bit of time that they had which
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: obviously sometimes was scoring quickly But it's just like, it's not, again,
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: it's like, hey, you know what, this is probably the
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: best scoring yardage team by the end of the year
• 28:19
  Speaker 7: in the NFL. Probably number one in both those categories,
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: if not top three. So, again, that doesn't excuse the
• 28:23
  Speaker 7: fact that we are supposed to be much improved on defense.
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying that, but it's just like, we weren't, anyway,
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: for week one, maybe if we saw them later in
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: the year, we would contain it, contain, contain, contain. Michael
• 28:34
  Speaker 7: Dean Perry, but for this one, we didn't contain anything.
• 28:37
  Speaker 3: We definitely missed the two edges that were out. I'm
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: sure they could have probably helped us.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: About Ben Johnson, fourth and one is on 21. It
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: was actually, even though he lost the moment, vindicated overall
• 28:47
  Speaker 7: in his approach that we could overcome that, even if
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: we don't get it, and you score a touchdown. We
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: still got enough to be able.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: To blow this game open. Well, I was ripping him
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: because I'm like, what the arrogance to do that? And
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: I'm glad we stuffed that and scored a touchdown off
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: of it. And that brought us back into the game
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: at that point. Someone texted in and said, Mac, he
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: wasn't proven wrong. He was able to do that. and
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: still put up 59. You know what I mean?
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: Even though he lost that individual moment, it was still
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: like overcome by plenty.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: And I hate bone. The fact that, and yeah, it's
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: fire of arrow radio. No, no, not today. It's definitely
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: fire of arrow all over the text line.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: And we'll talk.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, listen, he's got to be shredded today. There's
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: no doubt about it. His defense gave up 59 points.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: The fire guy after week one is where y'all lose me. Um,
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: I do want to say this though, the facts Oak,
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: that he talks such a big game in the off season,
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Ben Johnson, we want to score the most points in
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: NFL history. And the fact bone that we sat here
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: and laughed at him for that. And he went out
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: there and validated against our defense.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: God, that hurts, man.
• 29:49
  Speaker 7: Well, in our defense, he still has to do it
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: 16 more times.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: It's true.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: I mean, it's a short sample. It's a good sample,
• 29:57
  Speaker 7: but it's a short sample of proof of that. But
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: they're off to a very good start.
• 30:01
  Speaker 8: Yeah, they are.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: All right, Zoke, you are the man. All right, guys. Zoke,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: next week will be more upbeat.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: More of a beat show next week.
• 30:06
  Speaker 7: And next week, if it doesn't go better, we'll bring
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: Bernie and have him talk about it.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, send big-time Bernie Bowles in.
• 30:11
  Speaker 7: Our defensive coordinator, Bernie Bowles.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: Is he called big-time Bernie or is that a back-to-back?
• 30:15
  Speaker 7: No, that's a first-timer on that big-time Bernie.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Let him know and report back what he thinks about it.
• 30:18
  Speaker 10: I will tell him that in about three minutes when
• 30:19
  Speaker 10: I go back in there. Yeah, let him know he's
• 30:21
  Speaker 10: got a new name over here. Big-time Bernie Bowles talking schemes.
• 30:23
  Speaker 10: Talking spies. When we come back, Sounds of the Panthers
• 30:29
  Speaker 10: post-game edition. Derrick Brown takes accountability. Dave Canales raves about Bryce.
• 30:35
  Speaker 10: And Ben Johnson isn't sorry for his fourth down arrogant gamble.
• 30:40
  Speaker 10: Sports Radio 92.7 WFNZ.
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  Speaker 11: I think you went for 371 for total touchdowns. I mean,
• 30:59
  Speaker 11: just statistically speaking, that's a game that you would expect
• 31:01
  Speaker 11: to win. I'm sure in a lot of cases, you know,
• 31:03
  Speaker 11: how frustrating is it for the offense to put up
• 31:05
  Speaker 11: 37 points and still come away?
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  Speaker 6: None of that, none of that at all. Um, you know,
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: we're a team, there's a lot of stuff that was
• 31:10
  Speaker 6: out there that we could have done better. There's a
• 31:13
  Speaker 6: lot of, a lot of, a lot of plays that,
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: you know, we all take accountability for. Um, the, the
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: Panthers lost today. Um, you know, it, we're, we're a team. Um, there,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: there's no one or two sides. So, uh, There's no
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: consolation prizes. We didn't get the job done today.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: I like that answer from Bryce. I like the question
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: from KB, but I like the way Bryce handled it.
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: We can't do this. We did great. Those guys over
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: there did terrible. We can't do this, man. We've got
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: to stay unified. So I love that. And I would
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: expect nothing other than that from Bryce. By the way, Mike, Bailey?
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Bailey trying to be a.
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: You're the gotcha guy.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Definitely not gotcha guy, but good questions. Tremendous question.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: The one that Canalis about, hold on, you said all
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: three phases didn't play good enough to win. What about
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: the offense? So KB was on it yesterday, man. He
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: was on it. We got to give you sounds of
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: the Panthers. I want to run through a bunch of
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: cuts here. We're going to give you Ben Johnson also
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: talking about the fourth and one. Why did he have
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: the audacity? to go for it on fourth and one
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: at our own 21. Let's start with some... Wait till
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: we get you back one of these days, Ben Johnson.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Next time, when we see you in the postseason, Ben,
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: it's on, baby.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: God, it would have been nice to have to hire him. Anyway,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Canales.
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: Did I do that?
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: Can I take that back? I don't really want to
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: see him again anytime soon. I'm going to fear bears.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Big fear bears. All right, let's run through these cuts, Bone.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: Let's start with the positive. Dave Canales raving about the
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: way Bryce Young played.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I thought the rhythm was good. You know, getting us
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: into concepts that we're comfortable with and finding some explosive
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: plays while they were infrequent. There wasn't a lot of them,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: but we found some and we moved the ball and
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the run game could have gotten going. We need more downs.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, some of the punts, you know,
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: the failed fourth down was a close one right there.
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: I liked the call.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: We had one-on-one with TMAC. You know, we expect those
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: guys to win in those types of situations. And we
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: didn't get that win right there. Something that we've counted on. So,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I was really pleased with the way Brad managed the calls,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: got it in in timely fashion, and made it cohesive
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: for the offense and for Bryce and all that. Then again,
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to watch the film. Brad and I are
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: going to watch it, and there's going to be stuff
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: that we wish we could have done different for sure.
• 33:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's also an offense that starts out slow
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: under Dave Canales. They started out fast, so they usually
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: pick up steam as the season goes along. So for
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: all the negative of the defense, and there is plenty
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: and rightfully so, the offense getting off to a hot
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: start yesterday when they only usually actually get 10 points
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: exactly under Dave Canales is a great sign.
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: This time, the other side of the ball said, we're
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: going to be absolute dog do to start the season.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Um, uh, and by the way, it sucks for Bryce
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: because he played so well fitting was right under pressure.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: The way he juke, juke, juke pass, like the way
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: he just went Bama Bryce did. Um, I wish we
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: could do a whole show talking about how amazing he was,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: but he did it, and they still lost by 22.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: We have tomorrow for that. It just sucks, man. It does. Tomorrow, Bebop, Bebop,
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: be here for Bryce Appreciation tomorrow.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: We only have one person negative about Bryce today, and
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: it's a man you just mentioned right there. We'll deal
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: with that later. Bebop is silly. I'll just put it
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: that way, but let's get to some more. You say silly,
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: I say a moron, but anyway, go ahead. More sounds
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: of the Panthers. This was Derrick Brown.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: For some reason, some guy is in all caps, text
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: yelling at Bone, and he's text yelling at him back.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: And the guy is saying Derrick Brown is not to blame. Well,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Derrick Brown would disagree. He believes a good bit of
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: the blame should be on him.
• 34:51
  Speaker 12: I mean, it sucks, but it's one game. We've got
• 34:53
  Speaker 12: a whole season. I'm not going to sit here and
• 34:55
  Speaker 12: hit the panic button for nobody. I still got faith
• 34:57
  Speaker 12: in every single man in this room. I'm not going
• 35:00
  Speaker 12: to sit here and do that. I mean, I've been
• 35:02
  Speaker 12: down and out before. I'll tell you this, like I said,
• 35:04
  Speaker 12: I was hanging on me for those two touchdowns that
• 35:07
  Speaker 12: they got for those two stupid ass penalties on me.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, I mean, we're going to
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: get here and go back to work this week.
• 35:13
  Speaker 12: Derek, you said you're not going to hit the panic button.
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: What did go well today? I think just two.
• 35:17
  Speaker 12: I mean, we had a lot of young guys, a
• 35:19
  Speaker 12: lot of execution. There were moments where we played good
• 35:20
  Speaker 12: there when we settled in. Like I said, stupid penalties
• 35:23
  Speaker 12: here and there, giving the momentum back, should have been
• 35:26
  Speaker 12: off the field, should have turned on the second one.
• 35:29
  Speaker 12: And I think it's things like that. Like I said,
• 35:31
  Speaker 12: I'll take full accountability for that. I'm not running from
• 35:34
  Speaker 12: nobody or anybody about that. I'm going to go back
• 35:36
  Speaker 12: to work, and I'm going to keep being who I am.
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: I have a feeling he's coming back with a vengeance.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: I don't worry about him long-term. It was one of
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: the worst games we've seen him play. There was mental errors. But, Matt,
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: that's not a guy that I think, oh, no, I'm
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: going to worry about Derek Bryant. Actually, the opposite. He
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: got a bad game out of the system. I feel
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: bad for the Atlanta offensive lineman coming up on Sunday
• 35:57
  Speaker 4: because that dude's going to try to make up for that.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: I don't worry about him beyond what we saw yesterday.
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: I don't feel bad for the Atlanta offensive lineman. I
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: like to see them have horrible days. But I agree
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: with you. I think he's going to take it out
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: on some birds next week.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Devin Lloyd was asked the question that so many on
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: the text line are asking. Was the game plan bad,
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: or were y'all not executing the game plan properly?
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: I think we did a good job game planning. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: wouldn't say anything really caught us by surprise. It just
• 36:27
  Speaker 8: came down to execution today. At the end of the day,
• 36:30
  Speaker 8: 59 points, that's on the whole defense. It wasn't just
• 36:32
  Speaker 8: one play. It wasn't just one person.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: So, and by the way, Devin Lloyd is not going
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: to treat, he's like defensive Bryce. He's not going to
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: answer that question and say, in his first game as
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: a Panther, and say.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the game plan was pretty crappy. There's nothing we
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: could do with that.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: But when you give up 59 points on defense, it
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: has to be some of everything. Like, Ajiro Vero had
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: a terrible, pathetic day, but so did a lot of
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: guys on the football field, too. So, the question is
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: just how much blame goes to coaching, how much blame
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: goes to players. That's the question that we got to
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: sort through today. And it appears the Texters, Bone, are 99.9% coaching.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: It feels like.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: I have a little bit of a theory, Mac, and
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: it's not an excuse because it's what all teams deal
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: with now. I also wonder if that is the way
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Chicago plays, getting them in week one when you're not
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: doing as much in the offseason as you used to
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: in terms of training camp, defensive players in the preseason,
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: to have... To have to go out there and chase
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: Caleb Williams down that high-octane offense, I would have liked
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: to maybe have played a game before that, whether it
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: be Atlanta or Cleveland, get your legs going. That's a
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: very tough matchup anyway, especially in week number one, by
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: the way.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: In hindsight— In hindsight, I would like to play 17
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: games before we have to worry about the Bears. I
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: would like to maybe play off only, and maybe we
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: could play 21 games without ever playing the Bears offense
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: in hindsight. The next question, Bone, is that sound that
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: played over there that wasn't supposed to play, are we
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: blaming Avero for that?
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: I like how I got cut off by Max Lively.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: I thought Mac had an ad while.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: I was talking. Yes, this bashing of the Panther defense
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: is brought to you by. All right, let's play one
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: last clip here on Sounds of the Panthers. We got
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: ran over on ramp pavement. It's sounds of a bear, actually.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: This is Ben Johnson in his presser yesterday. You'll hear it.
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: Multiple questions, Bone, about going for it. On fourth and
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: one from his own 21, we stuffed it down. We
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: got a touchdown, but it didn't matter.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Listen to this.
• 38:43
  Speaker 11: You talked about wanting to have the highest scoring offense
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: in Bears history.
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: Did that play into going forward on that fourth and two?
• 38:51
  Speaker 13: I mean, just to kind of set the tone, set
• 38:53
  Speaker 13: up aggressive defense.
• 38:57
  Speaker 11: Tone for the game and.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: For the season?
• 38:59
  Speaker 13: Listen, that will always be the goal. We want to
• 39:02
  Speaker 13: be the highest scoring. We want to have the most wins.
• 39:04
  Speaker 13: We want to win Super Bowls. That's what we do.
• 39:07
  Speaker 13: We didn't get into this profession trying to be mediocre
• 39:12
  Speaker 13: or average. That's every NFL team. That is what it is.
• 39:17
  Speaker 13: We make decisions over the course of a week what's
• 39:19
  Speaker 13: best for our football team to win the game. That's
• 39:21
  Speaker 13: the most important thing and that goes into everything that
• 39:24
  Speaker 13: we do.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Specifically from the 21, from what I can tell, that's
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: the deepest in your own end you've ever gone for.
• 39:31
  Speaker 13: Yeah, I felt pretty good about it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: He felt pretty good about it. I wanted that to
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: cost him the football game, but in hindsight, it didn't.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: I thought when they got to 58, I thought they
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: were going to go for two for 60.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you were talking about that, too, in the press.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: I did, too. I thought he was going to. We
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: were wondering about it. I didn't think he was going
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: to slow down and be arrogant. I thought he was
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: going to go for 16. You know what? Yeah.
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: Tip my hat to you, sir. Tip my hat to you.
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: You could have been even more arrogant if you would
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: have done that.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Damn it.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 40:02
  Speaker 4: We come back. We turn our attention, a few minutes
• 40:05
  Speaker 4: at least, to college football. It's pumped or pissed. Which
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: fans are feeling happy and which ones are ticked off?
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: And I think at some point, Mac, Fitty's going to
• 40:15
  Speaker 4: call out Clemson, isn't he? Sports Radio, 92.7 WFNZ.