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246: Halloween Starts Now · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: This is PJ Souls, and you are totally listening to
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  Speaker 1: Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: Good evening.
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  Speaker 4: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 4: Picture Association of America. It is intended for mature audiences
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  Speaker 4: and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 5: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million.
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  Speaker 4: Kilowatts of power. to provide more cooling.
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  Speaker 3: In the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 6: In the regular world, Halloween is when children dress up
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  Speaker 6: in costumes and beg for candy. In girl world, Halloween
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  Speaker 6: is the one night a year when a girl can
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  Speaker 6: dress like a total slut and no other girls can
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  Speaker 6: say anything about it.
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  Speaker 7: Boys and girls of every age Wouldn't you like to
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  Speaker 7: see something strange?
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  Speaker 8: Come, listen, you will see This our.
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  Speaker 7: Town of Halloween This is Halloween, this is Halloween Won't
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  Speaker 7: you stay with the dead all night?
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  Speaker 8: This is Halloween, everybody may see Don't.
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  Speaker 7: Cheat, don't believe, it's gonna die right This our town
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  Speaker 7: of Halloween This town of.
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  Speaker 5: Halloween What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 9: I am Brian.
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  Speaker 3: I am Ben.
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  Speaker 10: I'm Greg.
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  Speaker 11: I'm Beau.
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  Speaker 12: I am Dave. I am Sterling.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Marlena.
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  Speaker 10: And I'm Dave.
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  Speaker 5: We've gotten into the situation now where we have, and
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  Speaker 5: recently I was doing it Spice Girl style.
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  Speaker 9: I was doing Dave C and Dave L.
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  Speaker 5: You can continue that way, or I do sometimes have
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  Speaker 5: known you as David. Would you rather be under these circumstances?
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  Speaker 12: You can call me whatever you want.
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  Speaker 9: I'm going to be Dave.
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  Speaker 5: All right, Skippy.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway.
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  Speaker 13: Sporty Dave.
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  Speaker 9: Sporty Dave.
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  Speaker 5: That means you're the loud one. Oh, she's also on
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  Speaker 5: a live production of Jesus Christ Superstar, as Mary Magdalene
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  Speaker 5: I just saw lately.
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  Speaker 9: Live with that, people.
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  Speaker 12: Sporty?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, Sporty is Mary Magdalene in whatever version of this.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's frightening is what it is.
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  Speaker 12: Posh Dave.
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  Speaker 5: Do you want to be Posh Dave? I'll be Posh Dave.
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  Speaker 5: Posh Dave, we've had on many times. You'll probably remember,
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  Speaker 5: if nothing else, from last year's Halloween episode. So, you know,
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  Speaker 5: we've had Dave. The other Sporty Dave here.
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  Speaker 10: He's got like Striped socks on.
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  Speaker 5: More recently, you've heard with our little flashback episodes, and
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  Speaker 5: we're all both just sort of falling behind Patrick in
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  Speaker 5: every episode we're in. That bastard couldn't be here, so
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  Speaker 5: too bad for him.
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  Speaker 12: Stupid anniversary.
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  Speaker 9: Getting married.
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  Speaker 5: That's not the way geeks roll, I'm sorry. Patrick's pushing
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  Speaker 5: his damn luck. Sterling, you've let us come hang out
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  Speaker 5: here in this wonderful establishment, which we'll get back to.
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  Speaker 5: But you two have been on the show. Everybody's kind
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  Speaker 5: of been here. That's why I thought it would be
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  Speaker 5: just a refresher course on the rundown here. And we'll
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  Speaker 5: round it out with Ben, who is from your other
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  Speaker 5: favorite podcast. Everyone's second favorite podcast. Is that how we're
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  Speaker 5: going to build it?
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  Speaker 10: Everyone's second favorite.
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  Speaker 3: You listen to The Memory Palace, too?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Anyway.
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  Speaker 5: That thing where you keep running the annoying ad for
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  Speaker 5: Tower of Technobabble. Ben is on that show. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I get in the first punch.
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  Speaker 11: Yes.
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  Speaker 9: I don't... You're in a new spot.
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  Speaker 3: I miss the bagel shop. Where are we? We're in
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  Speaker 3: a basement, man.
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  Speaker 9: A scary basement covered by... Hey, dude.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, dude.
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  Speaker 9: Watch it.
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  Speaker 5: He lives in this scary basement.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I live here and I work hard on it.
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  Speaker 12: All right?
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  Speaker 14: So you.
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  Speaker 15: I mean this in a nice way, but you're like
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  Speaker 15: the Quasimodo of the year.
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  Speaker 9: I'm totally fine with being the Quasimodo.
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  Speaker 3: He ain't Quasi. He's full-on Modo.
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  Speaker 9: Full-on Modo, yeah. I'm not a pseudo-Modo. I'm not a Quasimodo.
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  Speaker 9: I am not a Jamiroquai or anything else like that.
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  Speaker 9: I am a full-on Modo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we should paint a picture. We're sitting on a
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  Speaker 3: stage in a basement theater, and there's a puppet theater
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  Speaker 3: right behind me, and I'm waiting for some snake in
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  Speaker 3: a hand to come and get me.
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  Speaker 5: I'm working on the puppets don't you worry that's coming
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  Speaker 5: in the near future.
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  Speaker 16: Wait i see you tech ah the illusion is shattered
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  Speaker 16: well no actually ben it's your fault because there is
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  Speaker 16: no proof that this is not puppets talking into microphones
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  Speaker 16: right now for anyone who's listening to this.
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  Speaker 10: I'm not going to turn around and look at puppets behind.
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  Speaker 17: Me you do have a woolly voice yes do i
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  Speaker 17: yes oh thank you i've said this.
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  Speaker 3: Before you have the The sexiest voice in podcasting. You
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  Speaker 3: know that.
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  Speaker 17: I might have to take over the Dr.
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  Speaker 11: Fever.
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  Speaker 9: I was about to say he's right up there with Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Fever.
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  Speaker 9: You got a rival. Hold on. The fever wars begin.
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  Speaker 3: He does have a fever. Well, I don't know. Yours
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  Speaker 3: is a bit more pointy.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, that's what they've always said about my voice. A
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  Speaker 9: bit pointy.
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  Speaker 5: We're talking about his voice?
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  Speaker 9: He's Fahrenheit.
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  Speaker 17: I'm Celsius is what you're saying.
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  Speaker 18: Yes?
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  Speaker 9: You can be Kelvin, Greg.
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  Speaker 19: Okay.
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  Speaker 9: Intense as the light of the sun.
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  Speaker 17: We're taking you all the way down to absolute zero tonight,
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  Speaker 17: ladies and gentlemen.
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  Speaker 12: Johnny Fever.
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  Speaker 17: While molecular movement might stop, it's not going to stop
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  Speaker 17: your heart.
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  Speaker 3: And if this is the type of quality program that
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  Speaker 3: you like, please call now or pledge people.
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  Speaker 9: Also, I'm a PBS voice as well. It's actually appropriate
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  Speaker 9: that you're wearing blue and I'm wearing red.
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  Speaker 3: Do you know how many babies have been birthed thanks
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  Speaker 3: to the PBS voice? I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: I'm just asking.
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  Speaker 5: A little bit creepier than usual.
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  Speaker 9: We're getting a little bit close to the NPR voice
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  Speaker 9: as we continue to talk.
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  Speaker 17: So you're telling me that, like, William F. Buckley is
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  Speaker 17: a turn-on for some people.
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  Speaker 9: Try to control yourself.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's definitely true for some people.
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  Speaker 10: People that get it on a very home companion.
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  Speaker 15: Oh, God, no.
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  Speaker 5: All right, well, it is October. We're moving into Halloween.
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  Speaker 5: I think at least a few of the old school,
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  Speaker 5: you guys know it's coming. It's the Ghost Bowl.
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  Speaker 12: Oh, yay.
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  Speaker 15: If I knew you were bringing candy, I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 15: eaten that last churro on the board.
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  Speaker 5: I don't care if anybody wants it or not, I'm
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  Speaker 5: bringing this candy.
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  Speaker 12: Good man.
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  Speaker 5: It can't be Halloween without candy corn.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I've got to do marshmallows.
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  Speaker 10: This is, by the way, my first.
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  Speaker 9: Well, that's why I.
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  Speaker 5: Picked non-wrapper candy, because you've proven yourselves to not be
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  Speaker 5: responsible enough to handle it.
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  Speaker 10: I've heard people eating gum on the show before.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, they suck, too.
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  Speaker 15: That was probably always me.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know. Why don't they make candy popcorn?
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  Speaker 3: You know, like they make candy that looks like corn,
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  Speaker 3: but they mean to make candy that looks like popped popcorn.
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  Speaker 12: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: There's your Halloween.
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  Speaker 12: There's your crunchy candy.
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  Speaker 9: My first experience at the Ghost Bowl. No, guys, we're
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  Speaker 9: going to have to last supper this one and just
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  Speaker 9: pass it on down.
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  Speaker 3: I thought Ghost Bowl would be a competition of some sort.
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  Speaker 18: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: It's a ghost bowl.
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  Speaker 5: It's like when little cute ghosts come out.
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  Speaker 9: It's adorable. They wrestle around together.
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  Speaker 17: I'd watch that.
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  Speaker 9: And kind of keep.
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  Speaker 12: It in the show.
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  Speaker 9: You should do that.
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  Speaker 19: Aren't we going to see the basement?
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  Speaker 10: All right.
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  Speaker 5: Speaking of this creepy basement that we're in.
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  Speaker 9: Guys, it's well lit.
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  Speaker 10: No, when I walked in, I said, this is the
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  Speaker 10: kind of place you're murdered.
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  Speaker 17: Dave and I got lost, and after we'd been wondering
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  Speaker 17: for like five minutes in the basement of Westworld here,
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  Speaker 17: John made the comment. I was like, you know, Fred's
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  Speaker 17: probably around here in a Jesus costume.
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  Speaker 10: He's coming out on us. That's part of the theme
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  Speaker 10: of the movie.
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  Speaker 12: I can hear some minor keys on a piano.
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  Speaker 3: It's not as nice as this one.
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  Speaker 9: Thank you. A nice thing about the alley. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: No, don't get me wrong. This is very nice. When
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  Speaker 3: I think of basements, I usually think of, you know, Cold, dark,
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  Speaker 3: and damp. But this is velvety, you know? It's a
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  Speaker 3: velvety basement.
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  Speaker 5: This is very fancy, I think.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, come on down to the velvety alley theater.
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  Speaker 3: It's velvety, yeah.
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  Speaker 10: There's no ping pong table full of laundry, though.
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  Speaker 5: That is a little different.
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  Speaker 14: All right.
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  Speaker 3: And it's your son living here, mind you?
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  Speaker 9: He's home from college.
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  Speaker 10: He comes out with a wife beater and boxer shorts on.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he's been home from college for seven years,
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  Speaker 5: but I mean.
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  Speaker 3: Ah, there's a spider down here. I got him. Hang on.
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  Speaker 3: I got him.
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  Speaker 12: Okay.
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  Speaker 10: Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: This live podcast excitement man we're.
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  Speaker 20: Coming to you live on the alley theater here in
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  Speaker 20: wonderful dreary louisville kentucky and um i i think this
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  Speaker 20: right here is is a good place to take a
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  Speaker 20: break because they probably turned.
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  Speaker 5: Off at this point anyway so i think that's our
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  Speaker 5: nice little intro there. When we come back, we will
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  Speaker 5: be discussing Halloween since we've crossed over into October here.
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  Speaker 5: And we're going to have a nostalgic little session where
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  Speaker 5: we discuss Halloween costumes.
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  Speaker 21: Hey, the spooks come out tonight, it's time to trick
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  Speaker 21: or treat. You better answer your door or find your
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  Speaker 21: pumpkin smashing the street. I've got my costume and candy
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  Speaker 21: ale ready for a Halloween.
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  Speaker 13: I can't believe what I'm seeing. They got no costumes on.
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  Speaker 9: They got no makeup on their face.
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  Speaker 13: They're just looking like brothers in the flashlights and pillowcase.
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  Speaker 13: And they say, check on the tree.
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  Speaker 7: Smell my feet. No costume, no candy No costume, no
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  Speaker 7: candy No costume, no candy for.
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  Speaker 18: Me Count Chocula and Frankenberry coming your way.
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  Speaker 12: How about a monster for breakfast today?
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  Speaker 18: Frankenberry has strawberry-flavored marshmallows. And Count Chocula has chocolatey marshmallows.
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  Speaker 9: Part of this good nutritious breakfast.
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  Speaker 12: How much can the human mind stand? Do you dare
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  Speaker 12: fit your sanity against our marathon of fright?
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  Speaker 7: Shock follows shock.
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  Speaker 3: Your breath comes in gasps.
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  Speaker 4: Hearts fold.
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  Speaker 9: Then, the mind explodes.
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  Speaker 14: For the unlucky ones.
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  Speaker 3: A straitjacket and a free trip to the booby hatch.
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  Speaker 19: To the strong, a free Fright Club membership card.
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  Speaker 7: See the grisly, macabre marathon of fright.
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  Speaker 17: And learn your fate.
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  Speaker 18: Will it be life or living death?
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  Speaker 3: Sounds better. Dave, I do not get superheroes.
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  Speaker 9: Oh my god, I don't get you.
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  Speaker 4: What don't you get?
• 13:45
  Speaker 12: Towerbot here.
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  Speaker 19: Well, the meatbags were going to say that if you're
• 13:50
  Speaker 19: a geek and like podcasts, then you could try Tower
• 13:53
  Speaker 19: of Technobabble at www.toweroftechnobabble.com. Then this started. Well, it's up
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  Speaker 19: to you. I'm gonna get my taser and put a
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  Speaker 19: stop to this.
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  Speaker 12: Towerbot out.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, monkeys.
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  Speaker 9: It's nap.
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  Speaker 2: Time.
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  Speaker 4: Hello, creeps. It's me, the Crypt Keeper.
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  Speaker 11: And you're listening to Movie Meltdown, the greatest movie geek
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  Speaker 11: show on Earth.
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  Speaker 4: It's part of your problem, you know, you haven't seen
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  Speaker 4: enough movies. All of life's riddles are answered.
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  Speaker 9: In the movies.
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  Speaker 4: And now, on with the show.
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  Speaker 21: There are so many things you could be on a
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  Speaker 21: Halloween night. Yeah, you could be a zombie or you
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  Speaker 21: could be a Frankenstein. If you're a cheap little sheep,
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  Speaker 21: you could be a ghost or a mummy.
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  Speaker 7: But when you come to my door, as you are,
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  Speaker 7: let me guess, you're a dummy. Hey, sick.
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  Speaker 22: Old tree, smell my feet.
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  Speaker 7: Give me something sweet. No costume, no candy. No costume,
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  Speaker 7: no candy.
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  Speaker 8: No costume, no candy for me.
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  Speaker 15: Someone should push those M & Ms.
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  Speaker 9: Further away from me, please.
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  Speaker 15: No, no, no, further away from me.
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  Speaker 9: Oh, could you move them a little closer to me, though?
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  Speaker 22: Damn it, Beau.
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  Speaker 10: Did you know today's National Coffee Day?
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  Speaker 22: Really?
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  Speaker 9: What are we drinking today, Brian?
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  Speaker 5: I'm enjoying my fine, non-sponsored coffee. So never mind what
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  Speaker 5: we're drinking.
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  Speaker 10: We're drinking Oregon breakfast.
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  Speaker 5: We're drinking whatever Sterling made. Sterling crystals.
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  Speaker 12: That's where we're going.
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  Speaker 9: No comment.
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  Speaker 5: He makes meth, is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 12: Well, theater doesn't pay.
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  Speaker 9: Is coffee supposed to be blue?
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  Speaker 17: But that's why you need meth to be so effective.
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  Speaker 9: Meth supports my theater habit.
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  Speaker 5: That makes sense, actually.
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  Speaker 10: See, that's the whole thing.
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  Speaker 17: It's on my bucket list. I tell my students that
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  Speaker 17: all the time. It's like, you all are advantaged. You
• 16:53
  Speaker 17: all got into drugs when you were young. I never
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  Speaker 17: had the opportunity. So on my bucket list, I need
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  Speaker 17: to get that crippling drug addiction and then overcome it.
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  Speaker 5: It's just There's some new ones out there. Just start
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  Speaker 5: right at the top there.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, as you're getting older.
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  Speaker 17: I'll teach you around if I'm teaching chemistry while I'm
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  Speaker 17: on Molly.
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  Speaker 15: Were you the one that posted the thing on Facebook
• 17:14
  Speaker 15: about shamboiling? Shampoo boiling?
• 17:17
  Speaker 17: Yeah, I found that.
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  Speaker 15: You should start doing that.
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  Speaker 12: You totally should.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Let's broadcast that as well.
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  Speaker 15: Shamboiling.
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  Speaker 5: Just follow him around, officer.
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  Speaker 9: More stylish.
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  Speaker 5: It'll be fine.
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  Speaker 9: All right, we are back, and it is time for
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  Speaker 9: The Grind.
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  Speaker 7: And this time in particular, a very spooky and nostalgic episode.
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  Speaker 5: In this segment, we discuss a specific topic or a
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  Speaker 5: question related to movies. And as often as possible, we'd
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  Speaker 5: like it to come from you. But you guys are
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  Speaker 5: usually slackers, so we pick one ourselves. And this week's
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  Speaker 5: Grind topic comes from Dave.
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  Speaker 12: Not you, Dave.
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  Speaker 5: The other Dave.
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  Speaker 9: Posh Dave. Let's keep that straight.
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  Speaker 5: And he thought as we cross over into October here,
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  Speaker 5: that all of us here are pretty much hardcore Halloween fans.
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  Speaker 5: And aside from our horror, the fact that we watch
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  Speaker 5: horror movies half the time on this show anyway. But
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  Speaker 5: Halloween in general, I think we're pretty hardcore fans of.
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  Speaker 5: So I thought it would be a good time to
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  Speaker 5: discuss that. Halloween costumes and, um, Dave, you've been a
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  Speaker 5: lifelong fan of Halloween and have inadvertently become sort of a, a, uh,
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  Speaker 5: somewhat authority, at least knowledgeable on this subject.
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  Speaker 12: So I don't know.
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  Speaker 9: For you, what was the starting point?
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  Speaker 5: Do you have like a, a specific time in your
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  Speaker 5: life that like it set in and Halloween and costumes
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  Speaker 5: began to creep into your consciousness?
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  Speaker 14: Very early, you know, um, I think the first costume
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  Speaker 14: I can remember wearing was probably around two or three,
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  Speaker 14: and it was an out-of-the-box Collegeville or Ben Cooper skeleton.
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  Speaker 3: The best.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, those were cool.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: What do you mean by Ben Cooper? It was a brand. Oh,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: Ben Cooper still is a brand. I didn't know if
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: that was some famous skeleton. You know, like Ben Sherman,
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: Ben Cooper. It's actually Ben Cooper's skeleton.
• 19:27
  Speaker 12: Okay.
• 19:28
  Speaker 14: And Ben Cooper got contracts. I think they did the
• 19:30
  Speaker 14: Star Wars costumes and everything years later. I think most
• 19:32
  Speaker 14: of the ones I had were probably. When I go
• 19:34
  Speaker 14: back and look at them, because I had that skeleton.
• 19:36
  Speaker 14: The back form plastic mask. Either flame retardant or flame
• 19:41
  Speaker 14: retarded cloth costume, which they always got confusing on the box.
• 19:46
  Speaker 14: What does this exactly mean?
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Flame absorbent.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: Think that's probably what happened a couple of times. Then
• 19:53
  Speaker 9: they had to change the chemicals.
• 19:56
  Speaker 14: And these were all common for people my age. I
• 19:58
  Speaker 14: don't know if the rest of you ever got any
• 20:00
  Speaker 14: of those prefab-type costumes.
• 20:02
  Speaker 9: I had a lot. Just out of curiosity.
• 20:04
  Speaker 12: How old are you? Okay, I'm old.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: We'll bleep that out for you. My earliest costume I
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: can remember was a Darth Vader costume from TGNY, but
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: I hated it because it said Darth Vader on it.
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: They all kind of did.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you who they were. I don't remember him
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: ever wearing a t-shirt in a movie that had his
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: name on it. I don't even wear a t-shirt with
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: my name on it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: It's in that scene where he's in the meditation chamber.
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: You don't see him. He's putting on his mask. He's
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: also putting on the armor over his t-shirt that says,
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: I'm Darth Vader, motherfucker.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: That's the star chamber, by the way. In the Darth
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: Vader meditation chamber, the bit of the wall that comes
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: down that we can't see, I always wondered if he
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: had girly posters. That's how I decorate my room when
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I meditate.
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: He was a little queen of it all, actually.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: But anyway, I hated that it said Darth Vader on it,
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: so I don't know how that was.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: See.
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: So I got my crayons and my piece of paper,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: and I made a control panel out of crayons, and
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I taped it on there, and I went around and
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: felt a little bit less.
• 21:07
  Speaker 9: See, I think those are there for a reason.
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: I think probably the first couple of years they put
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: those costumes together, they didn't do that. They probably made
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: it look like the actual outfit or something. And then
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: they started, like, watching kids go to the door. And
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: I swear, you know, every time the door opened, they're like, well,
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: what are you supposed to be? So after a while,
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: they went, you know, just fucking put their name.
• 21:26
  Speaker 9: Right on the chest.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: I don't want to have to answer this question.
• 21:29
  Speaker 15: They wanted to label it just to, like, curb any
• 21:32
  Speaker 15: human interaction between people answering the door and children.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Just throw the candy and we're ready to go.
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: We want to make this process as efficient as possible.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: That just makes me, because I wanted to go as
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: a feared person. The thing, I didn't want to go
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: as a flash card.
• 21:47
  Speaker 9: No self-respecting Dark Lord of the Sith.
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: You're Ben Sherman, Ben Hooper. Ben Hooper. It didn't say
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: skeleton on the front. No, no.
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: He was actually playing a clarinet. I don't know where
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: that enters into.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 22:02
  Speaker 12: That's creepy. And I keep looking for that costume.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: I look on eBay all the time.
• 22:07
  Speaker 12: He's like a skeleton playing a clarinet.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't know if it was like a... Made out
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: of like a thigh bone.
• 22:12
  Speaker 14: No, no, no.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: I think they kept doing that same mask because I
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: think the one I had, because I had that skeleton,
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: I think, and it was the same mask and they just.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Kept changing the outfit.
• 22:21
  Speaker 12: They would change the costume.
• 22:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: So I think by the time I got it, it
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: was just... It had a rib cage on it. It
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: did not say skeleton, thank you, but it was just
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: a generic skeleton-looking piece.
• 22:31
  Speaker 17: That's really cool, because I thought that skeletons were, like,
• 22:33
  Speaker 17: percussion only.
• 22:34
  Speaker 9: I don't know. They are pretty good at it, though.
• 22:38
  Speaker 10: Xylophone, for real.
• 22:39
  Speaker 9: You know, guys, now that we've mentioned the whole, like,
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: flash tag thing, you know, on the costume, it's going
• 22:44
  Speaker 9: to come back ironically, and you're going to start seeing
• 22:46
  Speaker 9: costumes with, like, parentheses, skeleton.
• 22:49
  Speaker 8: Does that mean, like, every girl's costume can say slut
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: real big on it?
• 22:52
  Speaker 9: That would be fantastic. Slutty fill in the blank.
• 22:54
  Speaker 17: Well, how do we know the most, like, meta thing
• 22:56
  Speaker 17: ever would have, like, one of those costumes with the mask,
• 22:59
  Speaker 17: and the mask is just a person with, like, a
• 23:01
  Speaker 17: mustache and the glasses, and it just says hipster. It's
• 23:05
  Speaker 17: a hipster costume that is hipster to wear.
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: It's like, it'll create this.
• 23:10
  Speaker 17: Weird black hole, and Earth will be crushed into this
• 23:13
  Speaker 17: point of singularity when the first person dons that costume.
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: But the rest of us will breathe air free of
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: irony for at least 24 hours around it.
• 23:20
  Speaker 17: And we all think it's funny now, and like, Two
• 23:22
  Speaker 17: months from now or two years from now, we're going
• 23:25
  Speaker 17: to see them hanging up in the front of wide
• 23:28
  Speaker 17: Louisville or something.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: It's going to be.
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: Like, God damn it.
• 23:31
  Speaker 10: I saw them only at vintage stores.
• 23:34
  Speaker 15: My best friend Ben and I, who's like, well, he's
• 23:36
  Speaker 15: like the biggest hipster in the world anyway. But we're
• 23:38
  Speaker 15: really into the show called Heroes of Cosplay.
• 23:42
  Speaker 22: I'm a bit different, but.
• 23:44
  Speaker 15: And I was like, I want to dress up as
• 23:46
  Speaker 15: a steampunk person dressed as a hipster.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Layers upon layers.
• 23:51
  Speaker 15: I was like, but I don't think anyone would get it.
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: Most good costumes, nobody gets.
• 23:56
  Speaker 9: No, no, no.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Just as long as you're sexy, they'll get it.
• 23:58
  Speaker 10: It's a funny steampunk hipster.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: No, no, no.
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: The sad thing is someone will get it. They'll call
• 24:04
  Speaker 9: you on it, and then they'll be like, yeah, my
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: cousin did something like that last year. It was pretty cool.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: About three years ago.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: Oh, God.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: Yaya Han will tear you a new one.
• 24:12
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 24:14
  Speaker 10: I had the same company, but I remember it not
• 24:20
  Speaker 10: being any cloth. It was that plastic.
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: Yeah, they make it out of like a vinyl plastic.
• 24:25
  Speaker 10: And it was Fonzie. That was the first.
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: One.
• 24:31
  Speaker 10: And the mask just looks like a dude, you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 10: with the little circular eyes cut out of the eye holes.
• 24:36
  Speaker 10: And it just said, you know, I can still picture it.
• 24:38
  Speaker 10: It was like white. And almost like he had his
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: T-shirt on and it just said Fonzie. It might have
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: said A on there too.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Did you pick it out or did your parents pick
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: it out for you?
• 24:47
  Speaker 10: I think my parents picked it out for me. I
• 24:51
  Speaker 10: think my parents picked it out for me. But I
• 24:53
  Speaker 10: got a lot of candy that year. I remember the
• 24:56
  Speaker 10: bag was too big and I was like, you know,
• 24:59
  Speaker 10: there's that layer of sweat underneath that mask that you
• 25:01
  Speaker 10: just can't really breathe in it. You can't see in it.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: No, I never considered that. You should take into account
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: your target area. And if it's all like seniors and
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: old people, you should wear something that would make them
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: that would really... They're like, oh, my God.
• 25:16
  Speaker 9: You're dressed as Roy Rogers here.
• 25:18
  Speaker 18: It's Glenn Miller.
• 25:19
  Speaker 23: Look, come here.
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: Give him a little Glenn Miller. I know about crotches
• 25:24
  Speaker 9: when I see one.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I would just adopt you.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: It probably helped that you got up to the porch
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: and the light wasn't on and you just kind of bumped.
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: It and it popped right on.
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: You were like, oh, shit, I'm giving that kid like
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: two Snickers.
• 25:36
  Speaker 17: Actually, that would be like some really weird... I'm going
• 25:38
  Speaker 17: to have to work that into a movie now. Make
• 25:39
  Speaker 17: it to where like some... person knowingly like you've got
• 25:43
  Speaker 17: this elderly woman who's just her husband has died and
• 25:47
  Speaker 17: some neighbor hates her so he dresses the kid on
• 25:50
  Speaker 17: halloween to look like her dead husband used to when
• 25:53
  Speaker 17: they first got married just to like i don't know.
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: Okay this is horrible memories this is eerily similar to
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: what happens in amadeus like the guy will show up
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: the guy will show up wearing the last costume that
• 26:06
  Speaker 9: her husband wore before he died you know and asking
• 26:09
  Speaker 9: her to write a requiem mast And she'd be like,
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: but I'm just a school piano teacher. And the story
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: continues from there.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Hey, maybe this year you should go as Steampunk Fonzie.
• 26:21
  Speaker 9: He's got a piston activated arm you.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: Can make your uh your uh inflatable blimp you know
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: just doing that you know.
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: And then we we ran into henry winkler so did
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: you get to meet him when.
• 26:38
  Speaker 10: We were there that because fred did i mean oh
• 26:41
  Speaker 10: no it was it was the night before i didn't
• 26:42
  Speaker 10: yeah he came right up to fred and fred thoroughly
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: convinced he thought he was billy bob.
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: Thornton because he came up to him like he was
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: somebody he was like oh hi how you doing and
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: i'm like he's like hey you're fonzie that's cool but
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: like he was very impressed to meet fred.
• 26:59
  Speaker 10: I mean we all are but thinks that billy bob
• 27:02
  Speaker 10: thornton doesn't look anything like himself and and is an
• 27:05
  Speaker 10: asshole you're like yeah Well, you know. That guy pretended
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: like he didn't know me.
• 27:12
  Speaker 9: But I've seen all of his movies.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: What gives?
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: We've hung out together many times. I don't understand what
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: this dude's problem is.
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: He's changed.
• 27:18
  Speaker 17: He's got some strange, yeah, he can't tell the difference.
• 27:21
  Speaker 17: He's got some other rare disease to where he goes
• 27:23
  Speaker 17: to China. He thinks every Chinese person is Timothy Dalton.
• 27:27
  Speaker 17: I loved you in The Rocketeer. I don't know what
• 27:30
  Speaker 17: he's talking about.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: Remember the sexy rocketeer on Heroes of Cosplay?
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: The sexy rocketeer.
• 27:38
  Speaker 15: Sexy steampunk rocketeers.
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: I'm sorry, I'm just imagining a girl in a bikini
• 27:41
  Speaker 9: wearing one of those helmets and she just can't see
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: her weight.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what it was.
• 27:47
  Speaker 9: Bumps her head on everything.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: That's to your advantage because then she bumps into you
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: several times throughout the day.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: And she got up on stage and to get the
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: crowd behind her, she kept flashing her ring. steampunk ass
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: at them.
• 27:59
  Speaker 9: They loved it. Of course they loved it.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: Was it actually firing steam out of it? That would
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: be a steampunk ass if you ask me. I mean,
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: where else has the steam got to go, Dan?
• 28:10
  Speaker 17: You're taking a wrong turn.
• 28:12
  Speaker 9: I know. I think it's fine.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: So bring it back.
• 28:17
  Speaker 10: Dr.
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: Fever Blue, could you please bring us back?
• 28:21
  Speaker 17: I mean, bringing us back. I think back to my
• 28:23
  Speaker 17: first costume. Growing up, My family wasn't poor, but we
• 28:28
  Speaker 17: didn't have any money.
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: Oh, he's so ironic.
• 28:31
  Speaker 12: Thank you.
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: I was born a poor black child.
• 28:34
  Speaker 17: And so my first costume was actually one that my
• 28:38
  Speaker 17: great-grandmother had sewn, and I was a little devil.
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: Nice.
• 28:42
  Speaker 17: My mom still has that costume, so I just had
• 28:44
  Speaker 17: the horns and the tail and the cape.
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 28:47
  Speaker 17: Actually why, as the devil, he had a cape.
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: I think the devil should have a cape.
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: If I were the devil, I would want a cape.
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: I've seen a couple of those old devil costumes with capes.
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: I like the idea that either the devil is kind
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: of flamboyant.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Or he's... Well, he's kind of a superhero.
• 29:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, or he's a superhero. He shows up, he's got
• 29:05
  Speaker 9: his cape and his pitchfork because... You know, you need
• 29:07
  Speaker 9: to combine the flamboyancy with the Farmer Dan thing.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: You've seen him on Powerpuff Girls, right? That is exactly
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: the devil in my mind. It's the most frightening thing
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: I've ever seen.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I've not seen it.
• 29:19
  Speaker 9: Oh, my God. But I had a similar costume. My first, like.
• 29:22
  Speaker 17: pre-bought costume was a spider-man and same deal just the
• 29:25
  Speaker 17: logo right.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: See oh it was a logo it didn't say the
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: amazing spider-man spider-man which you know that's the thing is
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: i remember seeing those.
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: Costumes everywhere and being baffled when i was a kid
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: because i was like guys like the cartoon is right there.
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: It's not like this design is complicated. Like why are
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: you like, like there are some, I remember some of
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: those old costumes that would just have like, the emblem
• 29:49
  Speaker 9: would be kind of wrong, or it would be in
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: the wrong place, or the color scheme would be off,
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: and you're like... I had that, by the way. You're like,
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: how did you manage to make a Batman costume with
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: so much orange? Two words, sweatshop.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: All the female.
• 30:05
  Speaker 10: Masks look like female blow-up dolls.
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: All of them.
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: It was a different party.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, with the hole in the mouth, and they're just like....
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: Well, actually, now that you've mentioned that between both of you,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: I just had a weird flashback there of like, I
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: remember a year that I had a Spider-Man costume. And
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: it came in stages of, like, uncool, and then it
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: got fixed.
• 30:32
  Speaker 17: I'm glad you went there, because one of the last
• 30:33
  Speaker 17: topics before you interrupted was, like, sex dolls.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: That was a different year.
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: That brought up a topic.
• 30:37
  Speaker 17: That was a different year.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: But when I was younger— It sticks to everything. We'll
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: get to last year later. But when I was younger,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: I got one, and it was a Spider-Man, and it
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: was kind of a knockoff version, because even, like, the
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: suit itself was.
• 30:49
  Speaker 9: Kind of a knockoff.
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: But it did.
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: They were trying.
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: They were trying.
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: It had a spider on it, so that was okay,
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I guess. It was yellow and probably had six legs,
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: but it at least had a spider, so they were
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: on the right track. But the mask, I remember, and
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: the reason this was totally wrong... My grandmother got it
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: for me. And obviously grandmothers.
• 31:11
  Speaker 12: Don't have a clue.
• 31:13
  Speaker 5: So it was just, oh, there's that Spider-Man he likes. So, like,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: it had, like, whatever this superhero was that was supposed
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to be Spider-Man, he had, like, a half mask.
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: Like, he had a cowl kind of thing.
• 31:25
  Speaker 12: I remember this mask.
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: Yeah, what the hell?
• 31:26
  Speaker 12: It was, like, green and yellow, and he had a
• 31:28
  Speaker 12: spider web on his forehead.
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: I think so. What the hell was that? Because they
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: gave it to me, and I went, that's not Spider-Man.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: You know what it was?
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: What the hell?
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: Every time Halloween comes around, Spider-Man wants to dress up
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: as something.
• 31:39
  Speaker 9: So he goes off on a variation of his own theme.
• 31:43
  Speaker 9: I knock off Spider-Man. Because he still has to work.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: He still has to work at night protecting the city
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: as Spider-Man, but it's Halloween, so he wants to juice
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: it up.
• 31:50
  Speaker 12: A little bit.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: So then when he jumps in to save somebody, they go, oh,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: it's Spider-Man?
• 31:55
  Speaker 9: They question it.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: And then he does some of his patented quips, his
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: trick or treat, before he hits the... More than likely.
• 32:04
  Speaker 9: By the way, there was, that reminds me, by the way,
• 32:06
  Speaker 9: a brief sidebar stories on Spider-Man where he actually started
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: dressing up as other superheroes. Like he invented like four
• 32:15
  Speaker 9: other superheroes for himself to be. And it was just
• 32:18
  Speaker 9: like a series of episodes of like him just like
• 32:20
  Speaker 9: pretending to be different guys and running around.
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Were they variations on the insect theme or were they
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: just completely different?
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: One was a guy with a French accent named Ricochet.
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: And he was supposed to be a villain. Of some sort. Yeah, no, no,
• 32:35
  Speaker 9: that's like the kind of thing. It's like he basically
• 32:37
  Speaker 9: sat around in his apartment and he's like, okay, I'm
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: kind of bored with this whole Spider-Man thing. What's the
• 32:41
  Speaker 9: dumbest couple? I need a new look.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: Makeover.
• 32:47
  Speaker 9: We need Queer Eye for the spider guy.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Well, just so you guys aren't worried, luckily, my parents
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: realized how wrong it was. And then after, like, Grandma
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: took her pictures and went home, we went and got
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: the– so I at least ended up with the right mask.
• 33:00
  Speaker 9: Like, they went and bought, like, a solo mask.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: So, like, I'm like, I can live with the weird
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: costume as long as I've got the right orange spiderweb head.
• 33:08
  Speaker 9: That's good parenting right there.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah. They earned their keep that year.
• 33:12
  Speaker 12: I was okay with it.
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: I let them live one more year.
• 33:17
  Speaker 15: I remember when I was a kid, it was really
• 33:19
  Speaker 15: uncool to have like a homemade costume. And even I
• 33:22
  Speaker 15: remember one year, I mean, I feel like by the
• 33:25
  Speaker 15: time I was a child, like those plastic mask and
• 33:27
  Speaker 15: plastic smock costumes i'd gone out of style but they
• 33:30
  Speaker 15: hadn't because i remember having a poly pocket one when
• 33:32
  Speaker 15: i was like six but you know like my grandma
• 33:36
  Speaker 15: offered to make me a costume and i was like
• 33:38
  Speaker 15: no no no no no i want that plastic piece
• 33:41
  Speaker 15: of shit that.
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: Smells like yeah it smells like other people.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: It's not full of grandma's love in middle school i
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: kind of realized that i like the idea of making
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: the costumes myself better Um, and no one got them
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: just like half the time.
• 33:56
  Speaker 17: Even now when I do stuff each year, nobody gets it.
• 33:58
  Speaker 17: But I remember seventh grade, my first costume that like,
• 34:01
  Speaker 17: I was really proud that I made is I, um,
• 34:04
  Speaker 17: my mom took me around to thrift stores and like,
• 34:06
  Speaker 17: let me pick out all the stuff. And I was
• 34:08
  Speaker 17: Claude Rains, this invisible man, like skinny to where like
• 34:12
  Speaker 17: he's wrapped in the bandages and he has the goggles.
• 34:15
  Speaker 17: And no, it's like all these teachers, you the.
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: Mommy, I would have to explain. I'm like, no, I'm
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: the invisible man. And they're like, Well, you're not invisible.
• 34:23
  Speaker 9: It's at the beginning of the, like, I'm sitting here
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: trying to explain the movie. It's like, dude, I'm trying
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: to explain the whole James Whale movie to, like, my teachers.
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: You're like, man, I'm wearing a smoking jacket. When did
• 34:34
  Speaker 9: you meet a mummy that wore a smoking jacket? He's
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: a fancy mummy. Like, what the hell? Speaking of, I
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: just ran out of bandages.
• 34:42
  Speaker 17: I've gotten, you know, a plastic nose off of, um...
• 34:45
  Speaker 17: Like the Groucho. Well, just off of one of those weird, like,
• 34:48
  Speaker 17: nose glasses thing.
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: I've just taken that fake nose and.
• 34:52
  Speaker 17: as close as I could find to the goggles and
• 34:54
  Speaker 17: all that stuff to assemble it to where it kind
• 34:56
  Speaker 17: of looks like he does at the beginning when he
• 34:57
  Speaker 17: comes in out of the snow.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I'm glad you went that route because I was afraid
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: you were.
• 35:02
  Speaker 9: Going to go to Ed Begley Jr. I'm the invisible man!
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Have you ever seen a shirt?
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: That one is not.
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: No kids need to be doing that.
• 35:10
  Speaker 15: I mean, I would have just gone full-on ghost dad, personally.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: Listen, speaking of homemade costumes, maybe you guys can help
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: me understand something. I've never understood the hobo That's a
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: time-honored classic.
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: She is a fan of hobos.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, maybe you can explain it to me because, you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: aren't you basically letting your kids dress up as murderous vagrants?
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: You can't prove that he murdered that guy. That's why
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: he's still roaming free. Like many classic costumes in America,
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: it is, of course, at its root, offensive. Because effectively
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: you're dressing up as a poor person, you know, like
• 35:49
  Speaker 9: as a funny poor person.
• 35:51
  Speaker 15: A displaced American.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I think what I'm trying to figure out is when
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: exactly was the age of the classic hobos? Like when
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: did homeless and vagrants actually look that, you know, charming?
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: The 30s.
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: Like the sort of Sullivan's Travels era. Yeah, like back
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: in the days when everyone was broke. And so it
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: wasn't unusual to see like, A guy like me would
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: come by and be like, hey, I used to sell shoes,
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: and now I'm homeless. Anyways, you guys got some work.
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Because the really neat thing about hobos is compared to
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: modern-day homeless people, hobos kind of dressed nice. Kind of charming. Like,
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: they kind of had more, I don't know.
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: Character.
• 36:32
  Speaker 15: They had suit jackets with elbow patches on them.
• 36:35
  Speaker 10: Again, smell pictures.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: So are kids 50 years from now going to dress
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: as homeless guys wearing, like, old tracksuits?
• 36:42
  Speaker 9: They already do.
• 36:43
  Speaker 17: Slayer t-shirts.
• 36:45
  Speaker 10: I was going to say.
• 36:47
  Speaker 9: Don't they just hipsters then?
• 36:49
  Speaker 22: Yeah, I was going to say.
• 36:50
  Speaker 15: I was talking to my best friend on the phone today,
• 36:52
  Speaker 15: and she was going to the grocery store with her mom.
• 36:54
  Speaker 15: And she goes, hey, there's a handsome guy on.
• 36:56
  Speaker 22: The bench over there. Her mom goes, that's a homeless person.
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: He goes, no, it's not, mom.
• 37:00
  Speaker 22: It's just a hipster.
• 37:03
  Speaker 9: A common argument amongst today's youth.
• 37:06
  Speaker 17: Last year they stopped letting dress up on Halloween happen
• 37:10
  Speaker 17: at school.
• 37:11
  Speaker 12: I think probably.
• 37:11
  Speaker 17: Because I killed that the year before because I went
• 37:14
  Speaker 17: a little beyond where I should have. but there was
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: there were a couple out i can tell that in
• 37:20
  Speaker 17: a second but um like some of the kids were
• 37:22
  Speaker 17: like really getting the point to where they were like
• 37:24
  Speaker 17: pushing on because the whole main thing was um you
• 37:27
  Speaker 17: know they were trying to figure out ways to make
• 37:29
  Speaker 17: restrictions on it because you know all the teenage girls
• 37:31
  Speaker 17: they want to come in dressed slutty but it's like
• 37:35
  Speaker 17: oh i put on a tiara and i'm a princess
• 37:37
  Speaker 17: or i put on angel wings and i'm an angel
• 37:39
  Speaker 17: it's like No.
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you have lingerie.
• 37:41
  Speaker 17: None of those shorts, honey. Honey, no angel wears cut-offs
• 37:45
  Speaker 17: like that. Because he was wandering around, just his outfit,
• 37:50
  Speaker 17: all it was, and I'll even see if you can
• 37:51
  Speaker 17: guess it, he had a suitcase filled with stuffed animals,
• 37:56
  Speaker 17: and he was dressed in a nice suit, and he'd
• 37:58
  Speaker 17: smeared Vaseline all over his upper and lower lip.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: Oh, God.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 38:02
  Speaker 17: He's like, well, I'm a pedophile.
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 38:05
  Speaker 17: When a weird-ass freshman in high school comes in dressed
• 38:09
  Speaker 17: as a pedophile.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Well, that shows creative thinking, I think. You should give
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: him a half a grade for that.
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: And also, possibly, problem solving.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, question then.
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: He would just be like.
• 38:21
  Speaker 17: I've got some Rolos. It's normal to feel sleepy when
• 38:23
  Speaker 17: you eat them.
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: Okay, I have a very serious question. How come a
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: kid comes in dressed like that and everyone's like, oh, worry,
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: this could be signs of a bad thing coming in
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: the future. But another kid comes in dressed as... I'm Satan,
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: or I'm an axe murderer, or I'm a vagrant hobo,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: and how come people aren't worried that this is an
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: indicator of their future path?
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: Why is it the pedophile? I didn't say that they
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: were worried. I found it really bizarre.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: Of course.
• 38:56
  Speaker 10: It's extremely creative.
• 38:57
  Speaker 17: You're inferring that the administration paid enough attention to.
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: All that stuff. Also, it's the Vaseline smeared around the mouth.
• 39:05
  Speaker 10: That was the thing that just cracked me up.
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: That's going to... I mean, because honestly, I see a
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: lot of devils. Not a lot of them have Vaseline
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: smeared all over their mouth. Like the kid, and also
• 39:16
  Speaker 9: the whole, like, I've got Rolos, they make you a
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: bit sleepy, or... Oh, I've got a popsicle in my pocket.
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: It's a bit melty.
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: I think you're just going to the wrong Halloween party.
• 39:25
  Speaker 10: But when I made that comment, I was like, so
• 39:27
  Speaker 10: what's the deal with that?
• 39:27
  Speaker 18: And he's like.
• 39:29
  Speaker 17: Well, watch, like, To Catch a Predator.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Look at their upper lips.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Again, he watched something. Just like me in my Darth
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Vader suit noticing it doesn't have buttons on the chest.
• 39:47
  Speaker 9: It needs buttons. I don't have a five o'clock shadow
• 39:49
  Speaker 9: in that haunted look in my eye.
• 39:53
  Speaker 10: He should have, like, bottles full of Zima. because they
• 39:58
  Speaker 10: always show up with alcohol on chris hansen well well
• 40:02
  Speaker 10: now it'd be like mike's heart lemonade hey you want
• 40:04
  Speaker 10: some lemonade okay.
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: Well okay so so halloween was banned at your school
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: because of this is this.
• 40:10
  Speaker 17: Right i don't know if it was necessarily banned they
• 40:12
  Speaker 17: just said they were going to stop doing it because
• 40:13
  Speaker 17: i found like they were the administration was referring to
• 40:17
  Speaker 17: it as the caitlin rule up in the office during
• 40:21
  Speaker 17: like the principal meetings To where it was actually after
• 40:24
  Speaker 17: the first year of them doing Halloween, they made it
• 40:26
  Speaker 17: a rule to where you couldn't have any face obscuring
• 40:29
  Speaker 17: prosthetic makeup.
• 40:30
  Speaker 9: Because somebody.
• 40:32
  Speaker 17: Because somebody ruined that for everybody.
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, this brings up another question that I have. Because
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: I did get the email about the topic tonight.
• 40:40
  Speaker 9: And I was.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Thinking about it. And I don't honestly think I know
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: what Halloween is supposed to be celebrating. It's all over
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: the map.
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: Free candy?
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: I mean, if I think about it, I would think
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: it's celebrating boobs more than anything.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: In today's world, yes.
• 40:57
  Speaker 9: And there's nothing wrong with that.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: But the interesting thing is, I think in ye olden times,
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: it was sort of celebrating the dead and evil and
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: all that. So how come it's okay to have that
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: in school, but not Christmas? That's like worshipping something, and
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: this is worshipping something. I thought it was interesting that
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: they finally banned the Halloween celebrating in your school.
• 41:19
  Speaker 10: Oh, they have like a Christmas program, too.
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: Oh, they do?
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: I thought Christmas was... not allowed in public schools.
• 41:27
  Speaker 9: It's more about tone, I think, than it is about
• 41:30
  Speaker 9: outright banning. It's not cool to be like, Merry Christmas,
• 41:34
  Speaker 9: you Jews out there.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: That's what the banner says in the hallway.
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: If you have a banner hanging in the hallway that
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: says that, then they're probably going to be like, and
• 41:45
  Speaker 9: obviously they don't want to spend the money to have
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: a banner that says, Happy Hanukkah.
• 41:49
  Speaker 12: Merry Christmas.
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: And for all you people that celebrate Kwanzaa, you probably
• 41:53
  Speaker 9: don't go here.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: But that is the crux of what I'm wondering because
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: a lot of people say that Christmas now isn't really,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: when you celebrate it, it's not really, it doesn't have
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: a lot of the religious connotations anymore. Now it's all
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Santa Claus.
• 42:07
  Speaker 9: And toys and all that. Thanks, Charlie Brown.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: And so in the same way, Halloween used to be,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: something a bit more edgy and evil and when you
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: think about it halloween is just another commercialized holiday the
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: same way that christmas is so what i'm the one
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: we like so what i'm wondering is why don't atheists
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: get all upset about celebrating halloween the way they do
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: about christmas.
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: Um initially halloween had to do with like um essentially
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: like i think it was the druids like essentially it's
• 42:35
  Speaker 8: wicker man from my understanding is that it kind of
• 42:38
  Speaker 8: started out in um the um In Ireland, and it
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: was like doing sacrifices and stuff. Not sacrifices, like offering,
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: you know.
• 42:46
  Speaker 12: Small animals. The harvest time.
• 42:48
  Speaker 8: Like before winter, because they were afraid if they were
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: going to make it.
• 42:51
  Speaker 12: Halloween.
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: And it somehow snowballed into having to do with, you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 8: evil spirits and all that stuff.
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: But I think that's core. But that was the core.
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: It had a religious connotation. So why don't atheists get
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: all like, oh, Halloween, don't bother me with that. You know,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: the way they are with Christmas. Because boobs and candy. Okay,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: I can see that.
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: And everyone who says that they're practicing a real Celtic
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: religion is, well, probably stretching it just a little bit.
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: I'm waking, shut up.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: So what do you guys think Halloween is all about then? Really,
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: because it's not about... druids and burning people, and it's
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: not about evil and Satan.
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: I didn't mean to say burning people.
• 43:31
  Speaker 10: It was kind of the Cain and Abel thing.
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: They offered small animals and fruit. What does it mean
• 43:35
  Speaker 9: to us in our heart? What is the real meaning
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: of Halloween?
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: Basically, I'm wanting the lights to go out, a spotlight
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: to come on someone, and I want them to read
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: me a Bible verse that'll explain it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: Lights, please.
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: Well, I think it was absorbed, though.
• 43:48
  Speaker 8: I think one of the popes at some point, like
• 43:50
  Speaker 8: most religions, at some point they incorporated some kind of
• 43:53
  Speaker 8: Christian overtone to a pre-existing ritual, and it kind of
• 43:57
  Speaker 8: slowly became what it is now. But like I said,
• 44:01
  Speaker 8: in its original form, it was like offering something to
• 44:05
  Speaker 8: somebody before going into winter and hoping that you were
• 44:08
  Speaker 8: going to make it and you were going to have
• 44:09
  Speaker 8: enough food and all that kind of stuff.
• 44:10
  Speaker 12: As it's celebrated now, I mean, mostly Halloween is sort
• 44:13
  Speaker 12: of an American invention. As it's celebrated for the past 50,
• 44:17
  Speaker 12: 60 years.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: So it's been absorbed. You can pick up a book.
• 44:20
  Speaker 12: You can pick up Ray Bradbury's The Halloween Tree.
• 44:23
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 44:24
  Speaker 12: Or watch the animated book.
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: Great book.
• 44:26
  Speaker 14: And that will give you a history of all the
• 44:28
  Speaker 14: different beliefs and celebrations that kind of feed into the
• 44:31
  Speaker 14: modern Halloween.
• 44:32
  Speaker 12: So you've got Day of the Dead in Mexico, which
• 44:34
  Speaker 12: is like the next day. November 1st. Which is all about.
• 44:38
  Speaker 12: accepting death as part of your life, and the kids
• 44:40
  Speaker 12: eat the candy skulls. It's so beautiful.
• 44:42
  Speaker 8: I can't imagine, like, going to the cemeteries and having, like, picnics.
• 44:45
  Speaker 12: At night and stuff.
• 44:45
  Speaker 14: Yeah, it's this huge party celebrating life and death.
• 44:48
  Speaker 12: You've got the Irish elements in Old England. You've got
• 44:51
  Speaker 12: going even further back.
• 44:52
  Speaker 14: So they kind of just wrapped it all up because
• 44:55
  Speaker 14: October is just sort of the dying off of nature, and.
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: That's kind of how it started out.
• 45:00
  Speaker 10: Which, again, is great.
• 45:02
  Speaker 12: It even brings up the hobo thing.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, but again, with all that history and all that,
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: why do atheists have a problem with Christmas and not Halloween?
• 45:10
  Speaker 12: Because it's not Christian.
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: And also because Christmas is probably one of the more
• 45:16
  Speaker 9: heavily propagandized holidays. I mean, I'm saying this on behalf
• 45:21
  Speaker 9: of my Christian friends as well. It's like where Christians
• 45:25
  Speaker 9: don't draw a line at candle mass. They're not like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: They're not like, oh, hey, dude, this is St. Sebastian's Day.
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: All right, we don't deal with people profaning it. No,
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: but Christmas has become an especially big deal, which is
• 45:37
  Speaker 9: also interesting because just as we can trace Halloween back
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: to Ray Bradbury, we can actually trace modern Christmas in
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: a lot of ways back to Charles Dickens. Before Christmas Carol,
• 45:47
  Speaker 9: especially in a lot of Protestant countries, Christmas was not
• 45:50
  Speaker 9: that big of a deal. In fact, that's why our
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: own George Washington, that's why the crossing of Delaware was
• 45:56
  Speaker 9: such a big deal. The British soldiers who were from
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: the continent were like, well, Christmas is a pretty big deal.
• 46:02
  Speaker 9: But Americans who were way more Protestant than the British
• 46:05
  Speaker 9: were at that point were like, Christmas? It's another one
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: of those days that the people in Rome celebrate.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: It's like Flag Day. We don't pay attention.
• 46:13
  Speaker 18: Exactly.
• 46:13
  Speaker 9: So it didn't matter to them. Halloween, on the other hand,
• 46:17
  Speaker 9: speaking as a Christian holiday, you know, I mean, it's
• 46:20
  Speaker 9: really a three-day celebration in the old Celtic tradition. And
• 46:23
  Speaker 9: in the Christian religious tradition, it breaks down to All
• 46:26
  Speaker 9: Hallows' Eve, you know. and All Saints Day on November 1st,
• 46:30
  Speaker 9: and then All Souls Day on November 2nd. All Saints
• 46:33
  Speaker 9: being when you pray for all the saints, All Souls
• 46:35
  Speaker 9: being when you pray for everybody else. And basically what
• 46:38
  Speaker 9: we're looking at, the continuity in that celebration, is the
• 46:42
  Speaker 9: ancient Celts, like the way they celebrated it was, it
• 46:45
  Speaker 9: was a time of saying goodbye, it was a time
• 46:48
  Speaker 9: of letting go, it was a time when you could,
• 46:49
  Speaker 9: you know, Dia de los Muertos, you could summon up
• 46:52
  Speaker 9: the spirits of your ancestors, and it was believed that
• 46:54
  Speaker 9: the barrier between worlds was very thin, so you could...
• 46:56
  Speaker 9: have access to both the positive and the negative spirits
• 47:00
  Speaker 9: in the other world. That's one of the reasons why
• 47:02
  Speaker 9: they say costume wearing and mask wearing became big. It's
• 47:06
  Speaker 9: actually also the origin of our tradition of the jack-o'-lantern.
• 47:08
  Speaker 9: What that used to be was actually a head. You see,
• 47:12
  Speaker 9: throughout the year you would have fought battles in the summer,
• 47:15
  Speaker 9: and then you would have brought back your enemy's heads.
• 47:17
  Speaker 9: as a headhunter, and you would have soaked it in
• 47:20
  Speaker 9: some fluid, and then you would have hung it on
• 47:22
  Speaker 9: your lintel, and that would scare away evil spirits. That
• 47:25
  Speaker 9: would keep them from coming in your door, because you
• 47:27
  Speaker 9: were a bad mofo.
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: Brian, you run the most informative podcast.
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: On the planet. This is really neat.
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: He's doing this without notes.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: We're pretty high-tech on this.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: Well, you know, that's really interesting, and I just feel
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: like atheists are lazy, you know, because there's so much
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: religion tied up with halloween and they'll they just like.
• 47:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah we'll let that slide the truth is all of
• 47:51
  Speaker 9: it's i think it's all pretty confused um you know
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: i mean it's like it's like saying why why do
• 47:56
  Speaker 9: atheists oppose this and not oppose this uh to my
• 47:59
  Speaker 9: mind you know it's like it's like making the argument
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: about like well why is christmas such a big deal
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: to so many of my my christian friends you know
• 48:08
  Speaker 9: it's arguably not actually historically as important a celebration as
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: i would say easter i think easter is a much bigger.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Deal but you don't get a day off for easter
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: Or for Halloween, actually.
• 48:19
  Speaker 9: But look at what you're saying there. It's like, well,
• 48:21
  Speaker 9: we've created a holiday around Christmas where you even get
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: time off.
• 48:25
  Speaker 12: We Americanized it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 15: Actually, I don't know any atheists who really protest Christmas outright.
• 48:35
  Speaker 15: I mean, they don't buy into the religious aspect of it,
• 48:38
  Speaker 15: but I don't know anyone who doesn't.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: I'm basing that on how every year You always read
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: a story about how there is a group trying to
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: stop Christmas celebrations.
• 48:51
  Speaker 9: Oh, obviously.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Schools, because they don't want any kind of a religious.
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: Thing in schools.
• 48:55
  Speaker 14: Well, you've got the inverse that does go on for Halloween,
• 48:57
  Speaker 14: where you do have a lot of fundamentalist Christian churches
• 49:00
  Speaker 14: who want to stop Halloween.
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah.
• 49:01
  Speaker 12: Celebrating the devil. See, I would be like, bring.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: On Halloween, because then that'll let Christmas come back in.
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: Then we can celebrate everything.
• 49:08
  Speaker 12: It's just human nature.
• 49:09
  Speaker 9: Honestly, I gotta say, I think it's a shame that,
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: you know, every era before ours, like, you know, humans
• 49:16
  Speaker 9: kind of had a tendency, and this is true, I think,
• 49:19
  Speaker 9: kind of across the board with human cultures, that we
• 49:21
  Speaker 9: created cycles of celebrations. Every couple of months, at least,
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: you could expect some kind of major feast where everyone
• 49:27
  Speaker 9: would get trashed and have a good time, and then
• 49:30
  Speaker 9: you'd go back to work the next week. We've kind
• 49:33
  Speaker 9: of fallen off of that. We have a few major holidays,
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: mostly towards the end of the year. And then we
• 49:39
  Speaker 9: have long stretches with really nothing in it. And I
• 49:41
  Speaker 9: think that's kind of a shame. I think there's something
• 49:45
  Speaker 9: in our brains that says, you know, about every two months,
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: you know, we need some kind of big blowout. We
• 49:50
  Speaker 9: need some sort of thing to say, like, woohoo, like
• 49:53
  Speaker 9: we're having another party. And then, like, something to look
• 49:55
  Speaker 9: forward to for a decent stretch.
• 49:56
  Speaker 12: Of time after. In my lifetime, I almost saw Halloween
• 50:00
  Speaker 12: die out.
• 50:01
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 50:01
  Speaker 12: I'm a little older than most guys.
• 50:02
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 50:03
  Speaker 14: Starting in the late 60s, early 70s, all the mythology
• 50:07
  Speaker 14: about the poison candy and the razors and the apples.
• 50:10
  Speaker 12: And there are no cases of that prior to it being... mythologized.
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: Did that ever actually happen?
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: No.
• 50:17
  Speaker 5: They have never really found any legitimate criminal facts.
• 50:21
  Speaker 9: It's kind of like saying that Dungeons and Dragons has
• 50:24
  Speaker 9: led to demon worship.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: Has anyone gone through the candy bowl on the table
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: in front of this?
• 50:29
  Speaker 10: I'm keeping an ear for sleep.
• 50:30
  Speaker 9: I have a theory that my parents went through.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: My candy.
• 50:37
  Speaker 10: To check for razors and pills because they wanted to
• 50:40
  Speaker 10: take the good stuff and give me the rest.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: You only say that because that's what you're doing to
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: George every single time.
• 50:47
  Speaker 14: I can remember around 1970, 71. I mean, literally, we're
• 50:51
  Speaker 14: talking about just calling off trick-or-treating.
• 50:52
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 50:53
  Speaker 14: And so, you know, in my young adulthood in the 80s,
• 50:56
  Speaker 14: it was like, well, we're just going to have Halloween
• 50:58
  Speaker 14: parties again.
• 50:58
  Speaker 12: We're going to try to bring this back and have.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: A good time.
• 51:00
  Speaker 14: And then gradually it became kind of an industry again
• 51:03
  Speaker 14: where Halloween became a really big adult holiday.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: I wonder if during that time when people were afraid
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: to go trick-or-treating with their kids because of all the
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: razor blades and the candy scare and the trick-or-treating getting canceled,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: I wonder if that's when it was like, well, the
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: kids can't go out, but us kids can. But us grown-ups,
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: we can still have a party, and because it's grown-ups,
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: we can be a little bit more risque and sexy,
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: and that's when the sexy crept.
• 51:30
  Speaker 12: Into the hall.
• 51:32
  Speaker 14: For us, for a lot of it, it was like, well,
• 51:33
  Speaker 14: we had such a good time as little kids, we
• 51:35
  Speaker 14: wanted to kind of bring it back.
• 51:37
  Speaker 12: By that time, we were adults, so things changed.
• 51:41
  Speaker 9: I think it's just something that you're talking about, the
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: sluttiness of costumes and whatnot. I think it's just kind
• 51:47
  Speaker 9: of natural when you're talking about costumes in general. There
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: are rare opportunities for basically like, you know, most guys
• 51:55
  Speaker 9: dress up like serial killers or some kind of murderer, like,
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: which is sort of this weird perversion of like, I'm
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: powerful and I'm awesome. Excuse me. I'm trying, I'm getting
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: too psychological here, but, and then, you know, meanwhile, most,
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: most girls, it seems like most of their costumes seem
• 52:11
  Speaker 9: to be mostly to either, uh, be sexual or to,
• 52:16
  Speaker 9: I mean, and you could argue that this might be
• 52:17
  Speaker 9: because there's some sort of repressed sexuality, or you could
• 52:19
  Speaker 9: just argue that, well, it's because they've been, tricked by
• 52:23
  Speaker 9: the patriarchal society into trying to please their boyfriends all
• 52:26
  Speaker 9: the time. Which I find legit, too. It's like, I
• 52:28
  Speaker 9: need to dress up hot for my boy.
• 52:30
  Speaker 17: But at the same time, too, speaking from the high
• 52:33
  Speaker 17: school level, you don't really see the serial killer thing
• 52:35
  Speaker 17: as much as you do rappers.
• 52:37
  Speaker 9: Damn it. Rappers and gangsters. When I was a kid,
• 52:41
  Speaker 9: there were two things I wanted to be. Skeletor and Jason.
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: Neither of which is a rapper.
• 52:47
  Speaker 10: No, I have a theory, especially about high school kids
• 52:51
  Speaker 10: and rap or even heavy metal is especially with rap. Um,
• 52:56
  Speaker 10: kids at that age are extremely insecure and rappers are
• 53:02
  Speaker 10: the exact opposite. It's all about charisma. And to me,
• 53:06
  Speaker 10: my definition of hip hop, not rap, but hip hop
• 53:09
  Speaker 10: is because you can see it with the tagging culture,
• 53:11
  Speaker 10: the dancing culture, um, the art artistry and the music
• 53:17
  Speaker 10: is that you use your name. Anytime a rap song
• 53:21
  Speaker 10: uses your name instantly becomes hip hop because it's about me,
• 53:25
  Speaker 10: my persona and everything. And I think that's why kids
• 53:28
  Speaker 10: dress up as rappers. It's because I can be this
• 53:31
  Speaker 10: guy who is proud of himself and no matter what
• 53:33
  Speaker 10: he does, I can kind.
• 53:35
  Speaker 9: Of appreciate that. I mean, like I, I don't listen
• 53:38
  Speaker 9: to rap that much, but I had sort of a
• 53:41
  Speaker 9: similar feeling about punk rock when I was a teenager,
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: and still today. I appreciate the attitude, and I appreciate
• 53:47
  Speaker 9: the confidence that goes along with being like, hey, this
• 53:50
  Speaker 9: is me, this is who I am, and fuck you
• 53:52
  Speaker 9: if you don't care.
• 53:53
  Speaker 12: It's true of punk, it's true of heavy metal, plus
• 53:55
  Speaker 12: the key element is it's going to piss off your parents.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Well, Posh, Dave.
• 54:00
  Speaker 10: You're married to a soccer player.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: You were saying that you... Sorry. You were saying that you.
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: You almost saw Halloween die. Did you notice one year
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: suddenly it was all sexy, or was it more of
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: like a gradual climb, or was it something like, man,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: where did this come from? Man, I like it.
• 54:22
  Speaker 12: I would say the whole sexy thing didn't take off
• 54:25
  Speaker 12: really until sometime in the 90s.
• 54:27
  Speaker 14: Yeah, that's when it was really kind of good.
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: I think that's part of why people came.
• 54:32
  Speaker 12: It became, like I said, you started to see chain
• 54:35
  Speaker 12: Halloween stores pop up.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 54:36
  Speaker 12: You started to see Halloween Express. You started to see
• 54:38
  Speaker 12: spirit stores and things like that.
• 54:40
  Speaker 14: And it showed that, you know, parents and adults just
• 54:44
  Speaker 14: wanted to go out and have a good.
• 54:45
  Speaker 12: Time and have a party. It kind of robs Halloween
• 54:47
  Speaker 12: of its earlier meanings. But, you know, it at least
• 54:51
  Speaker 12: popularized a holiday I like.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: But, you know, at the same time.
• 54:54
  Speaker 12: But it was really fairly recent.
• 54:56
  Speaker 18: Yeah.
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: And that's not necessarily a bad thing.
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 54:59
  Speaker 9: Christmas, I discovered this friend of mine who moved to Japan.
• 55:03
  Speaker 9: He's like, Christmas has actually been very heavily imported into Asia,
• 55:06
  Speaker 9: and they've really gotten into it apparently over there because— KFC.
• 55:10
  Speaker 9: That's true. That's part of it. But because basically there,
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: apparently your big celebration where you're hanging out with your
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: family is actually New Year's. That's when you're going to, like,
• 55:21
  Speaker 9: sit down and have quiet time with your family and
• 55:23
  Speaker 9: talk about, like, how the last year has gone and have,
• 55:25
  Speaker 9: you know, meal with grandma and everything like that.
• 55:27
  Speaker 17: And that's more Japan than China, too, where you've got
• 55:29
  Speaker 17: that Western influence.
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: Well, yeah. And in Japan, they apparently, like, Christmas has
• 55:35
  Speaker 9: become this huge thing because it's, like, it's this Western
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: holiday that's a great excuse to get boozed up, you know. Yeah.
• 55:41
  Speaker 9: Go out and party. Like, like for them, it just
• 55:44
  Speaker 9: doesn't have the religious.
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 55:47
  Speaker 10: Pending machine and get some used panties. Uh, wonderful, wonderful country.
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: Have you guys, have you guys heard that actually in, uh, Japan,
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: it is tradition to have your Christmas dinner at KFC.
• 56:00
  Speaker 22: Yeah.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: And KFC markets.
• 56:02
  Speaker 12: The hell out of that.
• 56:03
  Speaker 11: Wow.
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that was, yeah, that was the reason why it's awesome.
• 56:07
  Speaker 3: It's a very interesting reason why, uh, Apparently, guys like
• 56:11
  Speaker 3: businessmen who would be there working over the holiday season,
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: businessmen from the West, from U.S. or Britain, Christmas would
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: come around, or Thanksgiving, and they would want to celebrate with...
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: With other guys who are from out of town.
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: Of the non-Asian persuasion.
• 56:32
  Speaker 3: But they can never find the traditional turkey dinner because
• 56:35
  Speaker 3: turkey isn't eaten in Japan because the bird is so big.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: And Japanese tend to live in smaller houses and their
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: ovens are always small too. So even if they had turkeys,
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: they'd Nobody really had an oven big enough to fit it.
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: What an extravagance.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: So whenever these Westerners would get together and celebrate Christmas,
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: they would try to find a turkey dinner. The closest
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: thing they could find was chicken. And the closest thing
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: they could find that would actually sell it on that
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: night was KFC. And so some very astute KFC managers
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: in Tokyo began to notice that a lot of these
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: guys would come and they would talk about how, yeah,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: we're going to celebrate Christmas with this. And they got
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: this great idea. So now it's marketed every year. It's
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: like this giant TV campaign, the kernel for Christmas or
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: something like that.
• 57:29
  Speaker 17: Yeah, but over there, there's no mashed potatoes or gravy.
• 57:32
  Speaker 9: Well, they're doing that.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: But you can order wine with your bucket meal.
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: Oh, nice.
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: And they do have sweet potatoes. So, you know, you
• 57:40
  Speaker 9: get your wine, your sweet potatoes, and your fried chicken.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: It's so exciting.
• 57:43
  Speaker 10: Santa Claus will start to look like the Colonel.
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: That's awesome. He has the Colonel. He kind of does anyway.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: Santa wishes he was as cool as the Colonel. Well,
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: I think that's tied to, I think just that, like
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: the commercializing of it is what you're saying. I think
• 57:58
  Speaker 5: that is also why Halloween kind of skated by as
• 58:01
  Speaker 5: long as it did. And we're saying it didn't get,
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: you know, there weren't as many people up in arms about,
• 58:06
  Speaker 5: you know, celebrating Halloween when they were unhappy.
• 58:08
  Speaker 10: With the commercialization of Christmas.
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: And I think that's what it was because, They've been
• 58:12
  Speaker 5: complaining about that for most of this century. Easily since
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: the 50s, they've been complaining about how commercial Christmas was
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: becoming and how big a deal that was and how it.
• 58:23
  Speaker 9: Was all tied up in the money.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: Keep it out of school.
• 58:25
  Speaker 5: Where Halloween, you just go buy a bag of candy.
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: Nobody spent a lot of money.
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: Until the 90s, nobody spent a lot of money on Halloween.
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: It's only in these.
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: Last 20 years or so that you see... the Halloween
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: stores pop up, but you also see the whole culture
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: that's built around it.
• 58:42
  Speaker 17: Yeah, what's something like a little rural, you know, small-town
• 58:47
  Speaker 17: neighborhood thing to suddenly it's like this national embrace?
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: You would think that it would be a holiday that
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: you got the day off.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: Almost.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: And it's not.
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: I think also possibly part of what's been fueling this
• 59:01
  Speaker 9: explosion in Halloween, you know, you mentioned it's kind of
• 59:03
  Speaker 9: a rural thing and sort of a neighborhood at celebrations
• 59:07
  Speaker 9: like everyone knew everybody that was you know handing out
• 59:09
  Speaker 9: candy and i almost feel like the tradition halloween used
• 59:12
  Speaker 9: to be that you wear that crappy costume that your
• 59:15
  Speaker 9: grandma made for you and you look like a dork
• 59:17
  Speaker 9: and you wander around and and the people that you
• 59:20
  Speaker 9: know give you candy and ask you who darth vader
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: is and you're like yeah whatever and go home.
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: I would pull off my buttons.
• 59:29
  Speaker 9: But over the years, it seems to me that horror
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: has become a bigger... It's a big business. Yeah, it's
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: become a huge industry in America. It's that same time period.
• 59:39
  Speaker 9: The 80s hit a horror boom, and it's never really stopped.
• 59:43
  Speaker 9: It's gotten bigger every year. Right, and not only has
• 59:46
  Speaker 9: it hit a horror boom, but also the acceptance of
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: a level of horror has increased more and more. It
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: used to be that people were up in arms about
• 59:54
  Speaker 9: depictions of sexuality in gothic hammer horror flicks back in
• 59:58
  Speaker 9: the 70s. And then by the 80s, like, you got
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 9: Jason and Freddy, like, cleaving people in twain on the screen.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 9: And then in the 90s, you have the kids being like,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 9: this is totally fine for me to watch. Don't you
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: censor me, Mom. And then by now, you have, you know,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 9: chain stores and the enormous haunted house business and all this,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: you know, this economy of fear, you know, that's all
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 9: over the country. And I guess I... I see it
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 9: all connected. I see Halloween connected to the slasher movies
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 9: and the nostalgia of the slasher movies, and I see.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 8: That connected to.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 12: I almost.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 17: Kind of wonder how much that's linked to just VHS
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 17: becoming so accessible. Because I'd imagine VHS was a tremendous
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 17: boon just to the horror industry in general, because you
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 17: had a lot of straight-to-VHS horror films, and all these
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 17: horror films, it's like suddenly it might have You could
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 17: almost wonder how much was Halloween influenced by VHS in
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 17: a ridiculously indirect way.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 12: Accessibility is a big key.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 10: And cable television, too. There's a lot of horror that
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 10: I saw.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 9: And don't forget about the cult aspects of it. For instance,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 9: if you ever... It was fascinating to me. I was
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 9: in a Barnes & Noble the other day, and there's...
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 9: five or six copies of the best of H.P. Lovecraft
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 9: floating around. People are seemingly publishing horror anthologies and everything
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 9: like that at a much greater rate as well.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of it is tied to the movies, though.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 5: I think you do see that big bulk of 80s
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: slashers that came along, and that's almost the turning point.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 9: From that point on, horror becomes.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: it just infiltrates itself into the pop culture, and you
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: never see it back off. And then you also get,
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: by the time you get to the 90s and into
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: the 2000s, it becomes that industry.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 12: It kind of became.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: The fact that we're at, you know, every month I'm
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 5: at a horror convention now. You know, it's like you
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: couldn't do that in the 60s.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 3: I wonder if that's also why the sexuality has gone up,
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: because in the 80s you couldn't have a horror film
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: without boobies.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 9: That's part of it.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 5: I think that also infiltrated into the pop culture at
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 5: that point.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 8: It's like there was a shift from the classic monster
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: to this new 80s monster instead of the mummy and
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 8: the vampire and the Frankenstein.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 12: It was Jason.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: It was Freddy.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 12: It was the.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 17: Horror icon to the horror director.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 9: In the 80s.
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 12: In that era, yeah.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 14: We were still running off classic monsters when it came
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 14: to costume fodder when I was a kid.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 12: This is like in the 70s. So we still had Wolfman, Mummy, Frankenstein, vampires.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 12: And then with the 80s, you came along with sort
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 12: of the modern icons of the killers.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Was there ever.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 17: Which, that, I mean, that's also influenced just by, like,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 17: the Giallo films. It's like, you know, basically the Giallos
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 17: were almost the Italians' answer to Hitchcock. And then just
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 17: when that sort of bounced back to the U.S., it's like,
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 17: you know, essentially all those Giallo films, it's like watching
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 17: a Hitchcock film, but they've upped it on, like, the
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 17: sex and the violence. And then so when the Americans
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 17: started seeing these imports, you know, coming from, like, Fulci
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  Speaker 17: or Argento or Bava and them, it's just they mostly saw...
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  Speaker 17: the sex and violence aspect, and I think that really influenced.
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  Speaker 3: It just took that.
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  Speaker 17: See, because, I mean, everybody kind of hails Carpenter as,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 17: you know, having, like, the first slasher film, but, I mean,
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  Speaker 17: you could look at Torso, which proceeded about a few years, and, like, that's...
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  Speaker 17: It's essentially the same basic thing.
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  Speaker 5: It took that long to filter back because it probably
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 5: was really hard to convince your mom you wanted to
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  Speaker 5: dress up like Norman Bates. I thought, Mom, can I
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  Speaker 5: borrow one of your dresses?
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  Speaker 9: I have a kind of a broader theory about this phenomena.
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  Speaker 9: I've been thinking about it a lot because I've, you know,
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  Speaker 9: over the last... Five years I've really gotten into pulp
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 9: literature from the 30s and 40s. And I've become kind
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 9: of convinced that there's this phenomenon that we're seeing throughout–
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  Speaker 9: I almost want to call it the genrefication of a
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  Speaker 9: lot of fantastic American– or I should just say fantastic
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  Speaker 9: literary and film genres. It's like basically what we're seeing is,
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  Speaker 9: I think– In the 30s, if you read weird tales,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 9: astounding tales of science fiction and fantasy, actually you see
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 9: it in episodes of The Twilight Zone. The Twilight Zone
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 9: is horror, it is science fiction, it is fantasy, it
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 9: is all these things. And they were all kind of
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: viewed as one and the same sort of fantastic tale. Likewise,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 9: if you read H.P. Lovecraft back in the day, you
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 9: also read Robert E. Howard, you also read Abraham Merritt.
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  Speaker 9: In other words, it was this whole sort of congealing
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: of what we now view as distinct genres. And then
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 9: as that has expanded, it's like now we have this
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: idea of this horror thing that is totally separate from
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 9: this fantasy thing. Or maybe there's some cool crossover potential
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 9: or something. But they're very compartmentalized. Yeah, there's a much
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 9: stronger sense of a compartment. And then there's that compartment
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 9: celebrating itself as a compartment. Like we're celebrating horror here.
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  Speaker 9: We're not going to talk about science fiction. We're not
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 9: going to talk about fantasy. We're just going to talk
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 9: about guys with knives killing busty cheerleaders. Because that's what's scary, apparently.
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  Speaker 3: And yet that's okay, but the little pedophile again, that
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: gets people there.
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  Speaker 9: You got your costume all set.
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  Speaker 3: Up this year.
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  Speaker 14: Oh, it's true, because pulp is really the father of
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  Speaker 14: modern popular culture. Everything started in the pulps. The pulps
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 14: evolved into the comics, and the comics evolved into what
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 14: we all celebrate constantly now. It took a long time,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 14: but it all unfolded in the movies and television.
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  Speaker 12: It all roots back to Pulp Fiction.
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  Speaker 5: Starts with Poe, too. I mean, you look at how
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: much everything sort of spiraled off of what he was doing.
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  Speaker 9: Well, and you look at his stories. Again, it's another example. Like,
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 9: are they fantasy? Are they horror?
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: It crosses over.
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  Speaker 3: The instructions.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: There's science fiction in it. But that's the language that
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 9: we're using. We're saying it crosses over.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 14: But he was like the first sort of author of
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 14: the fantastic in America to get cred. Yeah.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 12: You know, he was considered literature.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 14: And so based on that, other people felt brave enough
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 14: to come forward and start writing some other things.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 12: So, yeah.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: This is slightly off topic. What's this urban legend or
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: story or whatever? There's a guy who comes to Edgar
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Allan Poe's grave. Is it every Halloween or on his birthday?
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: There's some mysterious guy who comes.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 12: And leaves the flowers. That went on for decades and decades.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 9: What was that all about?
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 12: Maybe something.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think it.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 14: Was probably a succession of people who did it. But
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 14: they would come to the graveyard on his birthday or
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 14: anniversary of his death, and they'd always leave like a
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 14: rose or something.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 3: But there was always one guy.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 12: They said there was one guy.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: There were never two guys with the same idea who
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 3: came with him to the fight.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: I thought I was doing it this year.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you can even get.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 15: To Edgar Allan Poe's grave anymore.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 9: Oh, yeah?
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 9: Well, I think that was the whole thing behind it.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 8: Oh, it was sneaking there.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 17: Have you ever been to Lovecraft's grave?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 9: No, I haven't, in Providence.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 12: Lovecraft's grave in Providence is astounding.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 14: It's like this huge, you know, it's just a nice
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 14: little plot, the Lovecraft family, and his simple tombstone says,
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 14: I am Providence.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 12: But there's this big old tree, and every heavy metal
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 12: fan in the world has come and inscribed all the
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 12: elder symbols in this tree. You go to that cemetery now,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 12: and they're like.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 9: They know where you're going.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 10: They just look at your black t-shirt.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 9: And the tree is just covered with this stuff.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 14: And it's like, it's kind of cool, but it's a
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 14: bunch of Iron Maiden fans mostly who have gone in
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 14: and carved up the trees.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it kind of reminds me of, I grew up
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 9: actually just down the street from Robert Johnson's grave in
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 9: the Delta.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: Which one?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 12: Because there's like three of them.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: The real one.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 9: The real one?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: No, no. There are seriously like three graves.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 9: I know.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 9: No, I grew up next to the one where they've
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: authenticated it, apparently.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 12: Really?
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: Well, it's outside of a Baptist church in Greenwood, Mississippi,
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 9: and basically they met an old woman. who was like, oh, no, no,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 9: they buried Robert Johnson here. And they were like, how
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 9: do you know that? It's like, well, because I remember
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 9: when I was a kid bringing lemonade out to the
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 9: men who were burying a dead blues man and they
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 9: did DNA testing.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: But there were hundreds of blues men.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: Dying all over the place. Well, it turns out the
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 9: blues was rather endemic in a completely segregated and oppressed society.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 9: But regardless, though, that grave is kind of interesting because
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 9: you find people, they will leave the half-empty whiskey bottles
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 9: and the little... The little unrolled cigarettes with tobacco there
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: is like a voodoo offering and tons of guitar picks
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 9: and things like that.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 4: So.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: The other two sites, they actually had markers. Have they
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: taken those out? No, no, no.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 9: They're still there.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 12: They're still good for business.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: No one's going to say, oh, no, Robert Johnson didn't
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 9: come here.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 3: You should totally tell people Robert Johnson is buried here.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 9: But in fairness, there are so many mysteries about that
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 9: guy's life. We don't really know how he died. Maybe
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 9: he was stabbed. Maybe he was poisoned. Maybe the devil
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 9: took him.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: Does everyone know who we're talking about, by the way?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 12: I don't know. I like that one.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 14: There was a really good script years ago that Scorsese
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 14: was going to actually do as a film called Love
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 14: in Vain.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 12: It actually got published as a paperback.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: It's called Crossroads. It's the true story of what went down.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 12: You know what happens when Hollywood gets hold of a story.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 9: That's right. As long as you get your eye on
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: a kid.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: Love in vain. Love in vain.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but no.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 13: Creepy.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I love the icon tombstones.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: Okay, kids, we are on a roll here. I love
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: when we get into these interesting conversations and we kind
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: of get on a roll and, and I like where
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: it's going. So I want to keep it going. So
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: while we're hanging out in the old graveyard, part of.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 9: The discussion, uh, we'll.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 5: Wrap up this episode, but we're not done yet. We'll
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: actually be back next week with more Halloween talk and
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 5: just how it's all become tied to the classic movie monsters.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 17: We all know.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: So we'll leave you here in the graveyard. You can
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: leave a rose on Edgar Allen Poe's grave or sit
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 5: a bottle of whiskey on one of Robert Johnson's graves.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: And, uh, Maybe you should.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: Go hang out near the Lovecraft tree, you know. You'll
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: notice I was recently over there, and you'll see a
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: big movie meltdown rules carved into the tree. So, I mean,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: you know, feel free to hang out there. But while
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: you're here, we're going to leave you with an appropriate
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: song entitled Graveyard Rock from Tarantula Ghoul.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 17: And Her Gravediggers.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: Otherwise, we will return next week.
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 9: Same geek time, same geek feed.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: Stay creepy.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 22: Tired of living, want to die? Well, here's a real
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 22: good reason why.
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 9: Graveyard Rock.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 5: Graveyard Rock. It all begins about 12 o'clock when the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: graves all open and we start to rock.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 22: Graveyard Rock.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 9: It's who?
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 22: Graveyard Rock.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 10: It's a graveyard.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 22: Graveyard Rock.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 9: Everybody digs a graveyard rock. Every night is just like Halloween.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 18: Let's rock and roll this graveyard scene.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 22: Graveyard rock.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 9: It's groove.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 22: Graveyard rock.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 10: It's a graveyard.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 22: Graveyard rock. Everybody takes a graveyard rock.
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  Speaker 23: ¶ Never had such fun since the day I died
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 23: ¶ When they.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 21: Pumped me full of formaldehyde ¶ Graveyard rock ¶ Graveyard
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 21: rock ¶ It's a.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 23: Graveyard ¶ Graveyard rock ¶ Everybody digs a graveyard rock.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: ¶ Not a soul is chasing everybody's there Rock, rock,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: rockin' in the cool light, yeah Graveyard Rock Graveyard Rock Graveyard.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 21: Rock Everybody take the graveyard rock.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 9: Let's rock.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 22: The party's over, boys. So close those coffin lids.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 15: I ate a churro off my floorboard. That's how much
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 15: I have a problem with sugar.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: That's really sad.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 3: That's what that is.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 15: On the way here, I was eating a taco, and
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 15: I almost dropped my taco.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: And I almost hit a truck.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 9: Oh, no.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 15: Because I'm in priorities.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 10: You don't want lettuce on your upholstery.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 15: No. Well, I don't care about my upholstery, but I
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 15: don't want my taco in the floor. You can eat
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 15: a churro off the floor, but you can't eat a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 15: taco off the floor.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: Hey, speak for yourself.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: No.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: I hope you haven't taken my stories too seriously.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: Talk hard!
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Woo-hoo-hoo!