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Kamala Dominates Trump at the Debate · Pod Save America

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Save America. I'm Jon Favreau.
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  Speaker 2: She has to drop out.
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  Speaker 1: What's Tim Walls doing?
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  Speaker 3: I'm Jon Lambert. I'm Jon Lambert.
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  Speaker 4: I'm Dan Pfeiffer.
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  Speaker 3: I'm Tommy Vitor.
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  Speaker 1: On tonight's show.
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  Speaker 5: In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in.
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  Speaker 6: They're eating the cats.
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  Speaker 5: They're eating the pets of the people that live there.
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  Speaker 1: So that was 30 minutes in to a debate that
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  Speaker 1: I think by all accounts, including people on Fox News.
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  Speaker 3: Brit Hume.
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  Speaker 1: Brit Hume. Kamala Harris won.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It was, I think, The best debate performance against Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump I have ever seen of any of the primary debates,
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  Speaker 1: any of the seven presidential debates he's participated in, I
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  Speaker 1: think she crushed him.
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  Speaker 4: This was the moment that people have been waiting for
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  Speaker 4: for nine years. Someone got on stage with him and
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  Speaker 4: took him down, and he had no response. He got angry.
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  Speaker 4: Towards the end, he got kind of sad. It's what
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  Speaker 4: everyone's been waiting for, and Kamala Harris delivered tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Dan, do you think it was a mistake to, rather
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  Speaker 3: than do actual debate prep for Donald Trump, to do
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  Speaker 3: what he called policy sessions with Matt Gaetz and Tulsi Gabbard?
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  Speaker 4: Maybe he didn't do enough policy sessions with Matt Gaetz
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  Speaker 4: and Tulsi Gabbard.
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  Speaker 3: Fatal mistake, I think.
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  Speaker 5: Love it.
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  Speaker 1: What'd you think?
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  Speaker 2: There's a moment that we'll get to where basically Kamala
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  Speaker 2: Harris says, I'm not Donald Trump. I'm not Joe Biden.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a new generation of leadership. And the closest experience
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  Speaker 2: I've had, I remember when I had to go to
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  Speaker 2: the hospital after that show, in Austin, and I was
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  Speaker 2: in a lot of pain. Oh, yeah. And I was
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  Speaker 2: in a lot of... And they didn't know what was wrong,
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  Speaker 2: but they decided to give me morphine anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: And there's this morphine... There's this moment where the morphine
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  Speaker 2: kind of hits your bloodstream. Jesus Christ. And I just
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  Speaker 2: think she did great tonight. And.
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  Speaker 1: Just took the Chris Matthews thrill up his leg.
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  Speaker 2: I've just said.
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  Speaker 3: Just fucking took it.
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  Speaker 1: To another level.
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  Speaker 2: It was relief.
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  Speaker 3: It was relief. Sweet relief.
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  Speaker 1: They walked out on stage at the beginning, and she...
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  Speaker 1: Went to shake his hand. She had to like go
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  Speaker 1: all the way over to his podium because he did
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  Speaker 1: not want to shake her hand. He looked scared. She
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  Speaker 1: looked in command. And that was basically just symbolic of
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  Speaker 1: the entire debate because she was in control the entire time.
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  Speaker 1: I think what is most impressive about the performance, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll get into all of it, is she went into
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  Speaker 1: this debate. She is the vice president of an incumbent
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  Speaker 1: administration where the president of that administration is quite unpopular
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  Speaker 1: and has been for some time. So there was plenty
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  Speaker 1: of fodder for Donald Trump and the moderators of the
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  Speaker 1: debate to put her on the defense. And it very
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  Speaker 1: easily could have been a debate where we came out
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  Speaker 1: of it and it was talking all about a lot
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  Speaker 1: of Kamala Harris's positions that she's changed over the years, this, that,
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  Speaker 1: the other thing. And she just wasn't on the defense
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  Speaker 1: in 90 minutes of the debate. A very small percentage
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  Speaker 1: of the time where she was defending her positions. And
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  Speaker 1: what she did is she walked in there and realized
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  Speaker 1: that she had a playbook. She had the points she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to make. She had the attack she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: level against Donald Trump. She had what she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: say about her own plans and her own policies and
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  Speaker 1: her own positions and her own values. And she did that.
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  Speaker 1: And every time Donald Trump spoke and rambled, and we'll
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  Speaker 1: get to that, she didn't respond to different things that
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  Speaker 1: he said and she didn't chase him down the rabbit holes.
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  Speaker 1: She just sort of responded by doing what she had
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  Speaker 1: prepared to do and say.
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  Speaker 3: She had a plan. For every single question, she went
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  Speaker 3: in there and she baited the hook and she dipped
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  Speaker 3: it into the water and he took it every time.
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  Speaker 3: She baited him into talking about his crowd size. She
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  Speaker 3: baited him into unloading about his court cases and felonies.
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  Speaker 3: She even baited him into ranting about COVID and ventilator production,
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  Speaker 3: like things that in no world should he be talking about.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, he looked like a maniac.
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  Speaker 1: So to keep things simple here, we're just going to
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  Speaker 1: go more or less chronologically through the debate, pick out
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  Speaker 1: what we thought were the most important moments. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with abortion. First big moment of the debate was an
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  Speaker 1: exchange about abortion where Harris jumped all over Trump because
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  Speaker 1: he was saying everyone wanted him to overturn Roe. And
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  Speaker 1: then the discussion shifted to talk about a national abortion ban.
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  Speaker 1: Here's how it went.
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  Speaker 7: One does not have to abandon their faith. or deeply
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  Speaker 7: held beliefs to agree. The government and Donald Trump certainly
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  Speaker 7: should not be telling a woman what to do with
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  Speaker 7: her body. You wanna talk about this is what people wanted?
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  Speaker 7: Pregnant women who want to carry a pregnancy to term,
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  Speaker 7: suffering from a miscarriage, being denied care in an emergency
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  Speaker 7: room because the healthcare providers are afraid they might go
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  Speaker 7: to jail and she's bleeding out in a car in
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  Speaker 7: the parking lot? A 12 or 13 year old survivor
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  Speaker 7: of incest? Being forced to carry a pregnancy to term?
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  Speaker 7: They don't want that. Understand, if Donald Trump were to
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  Speaker 7: be reelected, he will sign a national abortion ban. Understand,
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  Speaker 7: in his project 2025, there would be a national abortion,
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  Speaker 7: a monitor that would be monitoring your pregnancies, your miscarriages.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not in favor of abortion ban, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 5: matter because this issue has now been taken over by
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  Speaker 5: the state.
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  Speaker 3: But if I could just get a yes or no,
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  Speaker 3: because you're running me, J.D.
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  Speaker 7: Vance has said that you would veto if you did
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  Speaker 7: come to your desk.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I didn't discuss it with J.D. in all fairness.
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  Speaker 5: J.D., and I don't mind if he has a certain view,
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  Speaker 5: but I think he was speaking for me, but I
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  Speaker 5: really didn't.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I can't understand there. The Trump campaign and
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump went through great lengths to say that at
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  Speaker 1: one point he would veto a national abortion ban. And
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  Speaker 1: he basically, in a national debate, just decided to walk
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  Speaker 1: that back, make news on his abortion stance, which is
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  Speaker 1: something that they have been trying to avoid for some
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  Speaker 1: time now. What was going on there?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think he's on camera saying, I would veto
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  Speaker 2: a national abortion ban. I don't think he's ever said that.
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  Speaker 2: I think that the campaign has come up behind and
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  Speaker 2: cleaned up after something he said in the past. But
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  Speaker 2: he has studiously avoided being on camera saying that.
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  Speaker 4: He has said he would not sign one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Because there's been this iteration of this where the first
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  Speaker 4: answer was, it will never come to my desk. And
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  Speaker 4: then that was seen as insufficient. And then it was,
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  Speaker 4: I won't sign it.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I won't sign it.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And then the campaign has said, I didn't realize it
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  Speaker 4: was J.D. Vance, but the campaign has, and I thought
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  Speaker 4: Trump had said it, but the campaign has answered questions
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  Speaker 4: to say that they would veto it.
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  Speaker 1: Because when J.D. Vance said it on the Sunday show,
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  Speaker 1: they said J.D. Vance reiterated the Trump campaign's position.
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  Speaker 6: His, right.
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  Speaker 4: But he may not know that, but.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But when he says.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's the point here.
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  Speaker 2: I think that when he has said in the past,
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  Speaker 2: some version of, I won't sign it, he's saying, it's
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  Speaker 2: not going to happen. It's not coming to my desk.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to sign it. That's not going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: He's never explicitly said, if it's passed, I.
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  Speaker 3: Will veto it.
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  Speaker 4: There's two reasons this happened. The first one is he
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  Speaker 4: went out last week and said he would vote for
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  Speaker 4: the abortion amendment in Florida. And he got smacked on
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  Speaker 4: the nose by the far right abortion extremists who run
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  Speaker 4: the Republican party. And so I think he is now
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  Speaker 4: hesitant about that because the phone lines blew up. People
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  Speaker 4: made essentially threats about evangelical turnout in the battleground states.
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  Speaker 4: So I think he's scared there. The other reason is
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  Speaker 4: he's a 78-year-old, pretty dim, declining man. And he doesn't
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  Speaker 4: really know what he's doing. And he was knocked off
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  Speaker 4: his game pretty early there.
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  Speaker 1: This is a theme of the entire debate is like,
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  Speaker 1: there were a couple of debates with Hillary Clinton in 2016.
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  Speaker 1: Trump was ranting and raving in those debates. He would
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  Speaker 1: lie a lot in those debates. But He made a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more sense back in 2016 than he did tonight.
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  Speaker 1: He made more sense in 2020. The first debate with
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  Speaker 1: the COVID was when he had COVID, it was.
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  Speaker 2: A little brain fog.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little brain fog there. But he really just
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  Speaker 1: sort of lost the plot on a lot of these answers.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I think that's the theme of this whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: I was kind of kidding about prepping with Matt Gaetz
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  Speaker 3: and Tulsi Gabbard and doing policy sessions. But like Kamala
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  Speaker 3: Harris was prepared for every single answer. She had practiced.
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  Speaker 3: She knew how to look in the cut shot.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: She knew how to call him a liar with her eyes,
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  Speaker 3: her face, her smile. And Donald Trump did not seem prepared.
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  Speaker 3: And just to sort of like big picture this abortion answer,
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  Speaker 3: David Plouffe tweeted 40 point difference with undecided voters on
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  Speaker 3: their abortion answers. Widest gap I've ever seen in debate dials.
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  Speaker 3: What debate dials are is campaigns do what are called
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  Speaker 3: dial tests. Basically, you can figure out in real time.
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  Speaker 3: if undecided voters or whoever's behind the dials, like or
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  Speaker 3: dislike an answer. He's saying that the voters, the distance
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  Speaker 3: between the voters on the Trump answer and Kamala Harris'
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  Speaker 3: answer was the widest he's ever seen. This is a
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  Speaker 3: very experienced campaign operative. So that was a masterful answer
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  Speaker 3: from Kamala Harris.
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  Speaker 1: And, you know, we've been talking about how one challenge
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  Speaker 1: the Harris campaign and Democrats have had is convincing voters
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  Speaker 1: that not only is Donald Trump responsible for the Supreme
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  Speaker 1: Court majority that overturned Roe v. Wade, but that he
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  Speaker 1: would actually pass an abortion ban. That's what they've been
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  Speaker 1: trying to say. And Donald Trump's been trying to run
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  Speaker 1: away from that. And now at a national TV audience of,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many tens of millions of people,
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  Speaker 1: he basically left open the idea that he would sign
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  Speaker 1: a national abortion ban.
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  Speaker 4: And six of the seven battleground states have either abortion
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  Speaker 4: amendments already in the constitution or democratic control of the
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  Speaker 4: governorship and or the legislature to protect abortion rights in
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  Speaker 4: those states. And so If you want people to care
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  Speaker 4: about it, they've got to understand that we have to
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  Speaker 4: defeat Donald Trump. Otherwise, it doesn't matter who your governor is.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter what your state law says. You can
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  Speaker 4: still lose your reproductive freedom in your state under Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: So the other thing that Harris did in this debate
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  Speaker 1: is she went in with mostly a plan to talk
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  Speaker 1: about her plans. and to contrast with Donald Trump's policies.
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  Speaker 1: But she also had a strategy to get under his
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  Speaker 1: skin a few times in a sort of subtle way
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  Speaker 1: that didn't look like it was too, too planned or
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  Speaker 1: too artificial, I guess. It definitely looked planned, but it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't artificial. And this was one of the first moments.
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  Speaker 1: Let's listen.
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  Speaker 7: And I'm going to invite you to attend one of
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  Speaker 7: Donald Trump's rallies, because it's a really interesting thing to watch.
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  Speaker 7: You will see, during the course of his rallies, he
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  Speaker 7: talks about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter. He will talk
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  Speaker 7: about windmills cause cancer. And what you will also notice
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  Speaker 7: is that people start leaving his rallies early, out of
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  Speaker 7: exhaustion and boredom. And I will tell you, the one
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  Speaker 7: thing you will not hear him talk about is you.
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  Speaker 7: And I'll tell you, I believe you deserve a president
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  Speaker 7: who actually puts you first. And I pledge to you.
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  Speaker 2: That I will.
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  Speaker 5: She said people start leaving. People don't go to her rallies.
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  Speaker 5: There's no reason to go. So she can't talk about that.
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  Speaker 5: People don't leave my rallies. We have the biggest rallies,
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  Speaker 5: the most incredible rallies in the history of politics.
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  Speaker 1: So what was the original question about?
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know. We were going through the clips. We're like,
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  Speaker 2: what was that in response to?
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  Speaker 3: Immigration.
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  Speaker 2: Obviously.
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  Speaker 4: Obviously.
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump, because we're going to talk about the Republicans
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  Speaker 1: all complaining about the moderators. Donald Trump had an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: to talk about Kamala Harris and Joe Biden's record on immigration,
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  Speaker 1: which polls show is Trump's best issue. And she wisely
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  Speaker 1: pivoted right to this rally line. And he just took
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  Speaker 1: the fucking bait. Just didn't even talk about immigration off
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  Speaker 1: the top. Went right to the rally stuff immediately.
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  Speaker 2: She was like when Bugs Bunny draws a fucking tunnel.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: On the side of a brick wall and then moves
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  Speaker 2: the road over and he's like gotta follow the road unbelievable.
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  Speaker 3: It also makes you wonder i mean like sometimes you
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  Speaker 3: see you know ads that are created for twitter and
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  Speaker 3: a twitter conversation like obama doing the kind of hand
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  Speaker 3: gesture that looks like he's talking about dick size but
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  Speaker 3: he says crowd size and then you have to wonder
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  Speaker 3: did that get in his head because he sure seems
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  Speaker 3: mad about it these.
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  Speaker 1: Days he was well the funny the the the One
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  Speaker 1: of the many fun things about this debate was watching
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump get progressively angrier with each passing minute. He
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  Speaker 1: didn't start that way. And then he just got angrier
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  Speaker 1: and angrier and angrier. They're all at a dog and
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  Speaker 1: he was hungry. I also thought it was just great
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  Speaker 1: in that that, you know, when in her rally bit,
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  Speaker 1: when she looked at the camera and she did this
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  Speaker 1: a few times in the debate and said, like, he
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  Speaker 1: has no plan for you.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Because that is it's fun. The big challenge for her
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  Speaker 1: in this debate was. It's fun to get under Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump's skin, right? It makes us excited. It makes it
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  Speaker 1: throws Donald Trump off his game, all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But you also want to deliver your message that's going
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  Speaker 1: to actually move undecided voters. And the part that's going
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  Speaker 1: to move voters is he has no plan for you
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  Speaker 1: and I do. And here's how I'm going to improve
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  Speaker 1: your life. And she she wove that in really well
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  Speaker 1: in a lot of these like rehearsed bits. So it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't just to like get under his skin. And that
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  Speaker 1: was it.
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  Speaker 4: There's a way to just club Donald Trump over the
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  Speaker 4: head that is cathartic.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But she did. She did it in a way that's
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  Speaker 4: constructive to her campaign, which is, I think, the most
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  Speaker 4: impressive part about this debate performance.
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  Speaker 1: So we know from the polling that the big lie
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  Speaker 1: is one of the most unpopular parts of Trump's shtick.
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  Speaker 1: But you know what? He he stuck with it tonight.
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  Speaker 1: David Muir tried to get Trump to admit that he
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  Speaker 1: actually lost the 2020 election. based on some recent statements
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  Speaker 1: where he sort of appeared to concede that maybe he lost,
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  Speaker 1: would not do it. And then Kamala Harris jumped in
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  Speaker 1: with this.
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  Speaker 7: Donald Trump was fired by 81 million people. So let's
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  Speaker 7: be clear about that. And clearly he is having a
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  Speaker 7: very difficult time processing that. But we cannot afford to
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  Speaker 7: have a president of the United States who attempts, as
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  Speaker 7: he did in the past, to upend the will of
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  Speaker 7: the voters in a free and fair election. And I'm
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  Speaker 7: going to tell you that I have traveled the world
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  Speaker 7: as Vice President of the United States, and world leaders
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  Speaker 7: are laughing at Donald Trump. I have talked with military leaders,
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  Speaker 7: some of whom worked with you, and they say you're
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  Speaker 7: a disgrace. And when you then talk in this way
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  Speaker 7: in a presidential debate and deny what over and over
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  Speaker 7: again are court cases you have lost because you did,
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  Speaker 7: in fact, lose that election, it leads one to believe
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  Speaker 7: that perhaps we do not have in the candidate to
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  Speaker 7: my right the temperament or the ability to not be
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  Speaker 7: confused about fact. That's deeply troubling, and the American people
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  Speaker 7: deserve better.
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  Speaker 1: What do we think about that, guys? Tommy?
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  Speaker 2: It's pretty good.
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  Speaker 3: That was pretty good. I mean, also, he then gives
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  Speaker 3: this long defensive response, and I saw someone tweet this,
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  Speaker 3: and I can't remember who it was, and I'm sorry
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  Speaker 3: for stealing your joke, but it's very funny and weird
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  Speaker 3: that Trump refers to them just as J6, like they're
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  Speaker 3: a K-pop band. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 1: And as Tim Miller pointed out at one point when
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  Speaker 1: he was talking about them storming the Capitol, he said, we.
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  Speaker 2: We, we, he said, we, there's, um, you know, do,
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  Speaker 2: when do you want to talk about the moderators?
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  Speaker 1: Uh, go for it.
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  Speaker 2: So there's our, look, I, I think it's a great
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  Speaker 2: sign that Democrats feel like they want a cigarette and
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  Speaker 2: Republicans are like the moderators.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck this.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I think that's like a great sign.
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  Speaker 3: Like, Which is, it's their only response.
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  Speaker 2: It's their only response right now.
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  Speaker 1: You look on Laura Ingraham, all the rest of them,
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  Speaker 1: they're all saying, oh, the moderators, it's the moderators.
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  Speaker 2: It's the moderators, it's the moderators.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Josh Holmes, the whole, all of them.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: If you went through and look at the questions that
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: the moderators asked Kamala Harris, they were, where do you
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: differ with Joe Biden on immigration? Why did you not
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: focus on this problem since the last six months? Why
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: have your positions changed so dramatically since you ran for
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: president in 2020? She got a bunch of hard questions,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: but she had a plan for each of those questions
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: because they thought about what would happen if she would
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: ask them and how to turn them to her advantage
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: and turn them to Donald Trump. She made hard questions
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: look easy. Donald Trump made hard questions look impossible. And
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: over and over again, that is what happened over the
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: course of this debate. David Muir, basically, it is, I guess,
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: for Trump a hard question. You've now admitted you lost
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: the election. A rational actor would take that and say, well,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: because we shouldn't be talking about that, David. We've got
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: to talk about what we're going to do for the country.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: There's a hundred things a rational actor in the position
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: of Donald Trump would do with a question like that.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: But he turned it into, actually there's an incredible choir
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: of people and we gotta pardon a bunch of these people.
• 16:31
  Speaker 2: And like kind of goes on a rambling tirade that
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: she can, she had a fully prepped answer for.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: But you can see that there were like seeds of
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: debate prep that must have happened because he did that
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: whole rambling response at the end. He goes, but none
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: of that matters anymore.
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: We got to look forward.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: It was in there for sure.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: I also, there will be complaining about the moderators and
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the fact checking, but the, to the extent there was
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: fact checking, it was things like actually, sir, uh, Nowhere
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: in this country can you murder babies.
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: Actually, sir, there is no evidence that they're eating dogs. Dogs.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: These are basic things.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: This makes me so annoyed. Donald Trump and Kamala Harris
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: went back and forth on tariff policy and taxes and immigration,
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: all this kind of stuff. They didn't fact check any
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: of that, even though Donald Trump lied a whole bunch
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: of times during that policy section, right?
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: But, yeah.
• 17:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: When you talk about people, Haitian immigrants eating dogs, which
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: is just wrong.
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: Made up. Made as a Facebook post.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Made up. Or the fact that the election was stolen,
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: which is wrong. Like, you know what? They have to
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: fact check Donald Trump because he's telling really, really big
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: lies that are obvious.
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: And it would be embarrassing for them as journalists to
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: sit there and to say, well, you know what, to
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: teach the controversy on whether Haitian immigrants are stealing fucking
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: dogs and eating them.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: And why is it like incite people? You know what
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I mean? When you tell people that Democrats are murdering
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: babies after they're born, that leads to people doing crazy things.
• 17:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: Violent things. Right.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: And also there's the complaints about the moderators. It reminds
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: me of like some people after the Biden-Trump debate was like, oh,
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: it was the moderators. They didn't call out Trump's lies.
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: And at the time it's like, no, it wasn't about
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: them not calling out Trump's lies. Joe Biden had an opportunity.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: to go after Trump and didn't take that opportunity. And
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: tonight the same thing happened. Donald Trump spoke. I think
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: the final tally was more than Kamala Harris. He had
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: plenty of time to go after Kamala Harris to prosecute
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the case. He didn't prosecute the case because he couldn't.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: And by the way, every time Donald Trump said, I
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: need to respond, I need to respond.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: He did. There were times where Kamala Harris wasn't given
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: that chance. I actually don't think that's a fault. Like
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: that's how it goes in a debate. You're making decisions
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: on the fly. Like I think in both in the
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Biden Trump debate and in the Kamala Harris Trump debate,
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: These were moderators that asked pretty tough questions, fact-checked where
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: necessary here and there, and mostly got out of the way.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: And in both debates, it was the candidates that were
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: responsible for what happened in that debate.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: Again, on that immigration question that he turned into a
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: response to her on his rallies, the initial question was,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: President Biden, you signed this executive order to close the border. Like,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: why did you wait three and a half years? Donald
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: Trump could have gone back to that.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: It was the debate equivalent of, sir, this is a Wendy's.
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: It really was.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: There was a foreign policy question. They talked about the
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: war in Ukraine. They talked about Afghanistan. And the moderator
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: has also brought up Gaza. It was interesting to hear
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: what Donald Trump had to say about it. Here it was.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: She hates Israel. At the same time, in her own way,
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: she hates the Arab population.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: I mean, if that's true, that's a problem.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: I just like that because it's such a perfect encapsulation
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: of who Donald Trump is and what his politics are.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: It's a divisive issue. There are some Arab Americans and
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Palestinian Americans mad at her, but there's also a potential
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: to get some Jewish Americans mad at her.
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say that she hates them all.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to suppress the vote in Michigan, but
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I want the Jews. in Florida, so I got to
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: say she hates them all.
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, it was pandering to everybody and making sense
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: to no one. His key national security validator that he
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: kept mentioning is Viktor Orban, who's the quasi dictator in Hungary,
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: who is very famous and kind of like right wing
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: CPAC Republican circles, but unknown to everybody else. And that
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: was another theme throughout the night that we actually talked
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: about on the Monday Tuesday pod, which is Jake Tapper
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: came on CNN and said that many of Trump's answers
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: were 4chan posts come to life. And that is exactly right.
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: Like Donald Trump, he lives in true social. He speaks
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: this right wing language. And that if you are not
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: fluent in it, you do not know what he's talking
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: about half the time.
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: I mean, we watch his rallies and this is what
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: they are. This is how he talks all the time.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: There is no... I.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: Think we all probably went back and watched at least
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: portions of the 2016 and 2020 debates. What is different
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: now is his brain is fully pickled. He does not
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: have a Fox speed and an everyone else speed. He
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: only has Fox speed. And it's even like... It's even actually...
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: It's more like Newsmax these days than Fox. And it's
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: just you can't... No... persuadable voter who watched this would
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: understand 90% of what he was talking about.
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: No, the Washington Post convened 24 undecided voters and they
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: were asking them, did you understand what the answer Trump
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: just gave? I forget what the question was. And one
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: of them said, I couldn't follow anything that he was
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: saying right there.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't it be nice to kind of understand or maybe
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: live for one day as the two people that thought
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Trump won the debate out of that group of undecided? Like,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: what's it like to walk in your shoes?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: We got the CNN post-debate poll, by the way, on
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: who won. Uh-huh. 63% Harris, 37% Trump. Sounds about right.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: That sounds fine.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: That sounds about right.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: Remember on, uh, when those advisors, uh, told New York
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: times that their goal is to get, uh, Happy Trump?
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: Policy Trump?
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: How'd it go? What happened to Happy Trump?
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Was this Happy Trump?
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Did they win?
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Did they get Happy Trump?
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: And John, to your point on speaking time, Stephanie Ruhle
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: at MSNBC tweeted that Kamala Harris spoke 23 times for
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: 37 minutes. Trump spoke 39 times for 41 minutes.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Moderators were unfair.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, unfair moderators. Couldn't have time to prosecute his case.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: I would say the ugly head of misogyny rears its
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: head again. Oh boy.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: So, Lovett mentioned this earlier, but at one point Trump
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: was trying to give an answer on inflation and he
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: walked into a trap, a line that I think it's
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: fair to say Kamala went into the night planning to use.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Let's listen.
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: She is Biden. The worst inflation we've ever had.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: A horrible economy because inflation has made it so bad.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: That you can't get away with that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: Thank you. Your time is up.
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: I want to respond to that, though.
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: I want to just respond briefly.
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: Clearly, I am not Joe Biden and I am certainly
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: not Donald Trump. And what I do offer is a
• 22:36
  Speaker 7: new generation of leadership for our country.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Now, the morphine was just hitting 11, but the rest
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: of the office was all cheering and screaming at that
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: because that is that is the message.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: So I do think like so that was Donald Trump
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: was ricocheting all over the place. So that is where
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: he kind of came back to inflation. There had been
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: an economic section at the very top of the debate.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: And It was like the first 10 to 10 or
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: 15 minutes of the debate, I thought was like almost
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: like I thought she was doing fine, but it was
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: kind of a wash. It was just sort of like
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: people argue. I didn't like think it was going that
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: well until the abortion section and then on, like she
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: was crushing and he was on the ropes. But it's
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: interesting because it's like then they come back to inflation
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: here and she is so on top of her game
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: by the time you get to this part of the
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: debate that she's just as sort of like ready with
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: this line. And it was so it was nice.
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: Whenever she's about to deliver a line that she knows
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: is going to take Trump down, we saw this after
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: he questioned her racial identity, she kind of laughs to
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: herself because it is the joyous warrior thing that Doug
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: Emhoff was in here talking about the other day. It's great.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: It's the joy of somebody who had a binder and
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: knows what page they're on.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: It's the joyous warrior thing, but it's also like Kamala
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Harris and Doug Emhoff was here in the studio and
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: we talked to him. They are still... normal people they
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: have not been in washington that long that they have
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you know like and so a normal person standing on
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: stage next to donald trump when donald trump says shit
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: like that when he talks about eating dogs and cats
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is going to laugh because it's a crazy thing to
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: say and like we don't have to pretend that you
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: have to compose yourself for when he says something like
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: that of course you're gonna laugh of course you're gonna
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: laugh when you say i am not joe biden and
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: i am not donald trump and it's a and it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: a new generation and we're gonna move forward like That
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: just makes sense.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: And as she laughed, I mean, you could watch his
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: face go from very, very orange and made up, like
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: extremely caked on to redder and redder. And by the
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: end of the debate, he was screaming almost all of
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: his answers. He was shouting into the mic. He was furious.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say that it's like the little chuckle
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: of someone who realizes that they can do a double
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: jump and get kingdom checkers. You know, like that sort
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: of like a few moments throughout the debate where it's
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: just like, oh, my God. Look where he went. He
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: doesn't see it.
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: Bop, bop.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: King me.
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: I like that. So much of the punditry leading up
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: to the debate was about like how she might separate
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: herself from Joe Biden. Like are there policy? We talked
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: about this on Tuesday's pod. Are there policy differences? Are
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: there decisions that she's going to point to? But really,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: all she had to do was in that line. Like,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I'm not Joe Biden. Obvious.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: It was what we talked about. Right.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: And like, I'm not Donald Trump. I'm something new. I'm
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: a younger generation of leadership. And like, you don't need
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: to get into the specific policy differences and this and
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that and whether you support Biden on this or that.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: She just that's all you need.
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: That's that's like I think that turned out to be
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: more true than we have any right to expect it
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: to be because Donald Trump was so bad at tying
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: her to Joe Biden in this debate.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Like he missed so many opportunities to make this a
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: referendum on the Biden administration, which is what he was
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: supposed to do, but didn't have the aptitude to do.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: So she had even more space to basically just sort
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: of separate herself just by being someone new and talking
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: about the future.
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, that's the argument, right? That she's going to
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: turn the page in New Generation Leadership. She's going to
• 25:53
  Speaker 4: have to, over the course of the next 50 some
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: days here, make that argument over and over again to
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: offer the proof points to that. In a debate, it's
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: one line. It's a great line. There are very similar
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: lines in her convention speech. But now the test will be,
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: it opens the door for these voters. Now you've got
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: to meet the threshold of change.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Well, and there's basically, you can tell that there's two
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: moments where that Donald Trump had, I think, that seemed
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: like they were prepared moments or prepared lines. At one point,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: she talks about all the people who worked for him
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: that no longer support him, that call him dangerous, out
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: of touch, whatever, you know, Mike Pence, all the rest
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: of them.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: The ad, all part of the ad.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: All part of the ad, right. And that they released
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: the week of the debate with Pence and everyone else.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: And then he said to her, well, you know what,
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you didn't, why didn't your administration fire anyone? Because of
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: the border, because of inflation. And you could tell it
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: was this prepared line that I'm like, oh, that's, so far,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: that's the only good response donald trump has given the
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: entire debate and then at the very end when he
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: gives his closing argument he starts the closing argument by
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: saying like she had three and a half years why
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: didn't she change any of this why which is what
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the campaign had telegraphed they wanted their message to be
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: it was so and then of course then he then
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: he went on and just rambled and didn't really close
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: didn't he didn't land the plane uh on that closing
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: argument but those are basically like two messages that you
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: can tell they might've practiced, but he didn't practice anything else.
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: And it showed.
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Or he did practice, but he couldn't execute because like
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Dan said, his brain is pickled.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: He got angry and then he had to, you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: he just followed her wherever she went. But like the
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: fact that he didn't get to a sentence like that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: until the closing of the debate, that should have been
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: in his first answer, right? She started with a tough question. Like,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: are you better off than you were four years ago?
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: A question that like Trump would love to be able
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: to dig in on. And she went right to her message.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: She went to her plans, her policies, her vision. That
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: was an opportunity that Trump couldn't take advantage of. That
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: happened throughout the debate.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: So towards the end of the debate, the moderators asked
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Trump about his plans for Obamacare. And again, did not
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: seem to be prepared on that one. Let's listen.
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: If we can come up with a plan that's going
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: to cost our people, our population less money and be
• 28:04
  Speaker 5: better health care than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: But until then, I'd run it as good as it
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: can be run.
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: So just a yes or no, you still do not
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: have a plan.
• 28:14
  Speaker 6: I have concepts of a plan.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: You'll be seeing that in an ad. That is so embarrassing.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: The question critics Lindsay Davis because she was like, so
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: it's been nine years since Have you come up with
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: a plan yet? You've been talking about repealing Obamacare. You've
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: tried 60 some odd times. Do you have a plan yet?
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: And that's the best yet concept of a plan.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: It was interesting because he this was another moment where
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: he they had practiced this in some way, shape or form,
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: at least the idea that they were going to keep
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: Obamacare and just try to run it better. But he
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: just he needs to be the center of it too much.
• 28:46
  Speaker 4: He has to have his own possible plan to replace it.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: He just can't take the obvious answer on the table.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: And he walks right into a trap once again.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Well, also the trap is set by the fact that
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: he knows nothing about healthcare. And so he's never, he
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: has never come up with a plan. He doesn't know
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: what to talk about. He like, he just doesn't know.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: But, but he's never had a plan to replace Obamacare.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: He has said for years that he had a plan.
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Like this is getting gets to the kind of like,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: he's the out of practice. Didn't prep. Hasn't thought about
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: this in a long time. And he's older than he
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: used to be. Like there are a few moments in
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: this debate where he just sounded like a politician. One
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: of them was around abortion. Another one was this moment.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Do you have a plan? I have the concept of
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: a plan. Like, You're a fucking world-class liar. Just say
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: you have a plan.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: You'll be hearing it soon. After that, he said, you'll
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: be hearing it soon.
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: But also a freshman member of Congress could talk about
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: healthcare for 60 seconds.
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: About what possible ideas would be in the plan, but
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: he cannot for five seconds talk about healthcare policy. So
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: there's nothing he could say there other than concepts of
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: a plan.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: But I think this is where in the coming weeks,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: if I was her, would expose him, right? Because you
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: could see after this debate, if you were an undecided voter,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and I haven't listened to the focus groups yet or
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: all that, but what they might say is, okay, yeah,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: like she seemed commanding. She was a little bit like,
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I still don't know enough about what she's going to
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: do versus what he's going to do, right? Like that's
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: what it's going to come down to for people. And
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: I think the case that she can prosecute even more
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: than all the fun traps she laid for him is like,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: this guy is full of shit. He has no plan.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: He has no plan for you. She said it a
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: couple times tonight. And here's what I'm going to do.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm going to do to bring costs down.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm going to do on healthcare. Here's what
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I'm going to do on reproductive rights. And this guy,
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: he has no idea what he's going to do. He's
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: going to be led around by the people that he
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: hires who are all extreme crazy people. He only cares
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: about himself. He doesn't care about you. And he doesn't,
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: he can't even talk about healthcare. Yeah.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I feel like there was like the next step that
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: I felt like I didn't hear in the debate. Like
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: she did at the beginning, we talked about the child
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: tax credit and a few other things. Like she was,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I think hitting the message, but not getting into a
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: lot of the details about like what exactly her plan
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: is versus what his plan is. And, you know, she
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: says project 2025, he says, it's not my plan. Like, hitting, like,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: these are his advisors, these are his plans, this is
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: exactly what he's going to do, here are the details.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Because she said that at one point, saying he doesn't
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: have a plan, but there's Project 2025, and it's very detailed,
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: and it's like, there's a little bit of a dissonance there,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and I just think, like, being specific about making him
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: own the plan, that it's his advisors, it's his people,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: and then more specifics about her stuff.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so that leads us to, like, what happens next,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: and also what this debate does. Do we think it's...
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: We're all very excited. We're exuberant right now. Do we
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: think it could move the race here or what?
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: On average, the first debate of the last several elections
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: has moved the polls about 1.7%. And that includes the
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: Biden-Trump debate of earlier this year. Do we consider this
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: the second debate or the first debate? I'm counting this
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: as a second first debate in the same campaign for
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: that reason. But 1.7% would be a big shift in
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: this race. This is right now the closest race in
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: recent memory and maybe history. And so if it were
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: to move something like that, it would do it. The
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: last big poll movement, just I'm not trying to rain
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: on anyone's parade here, was after the first Romney-Obama debate,
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: the polls moved 4% in one week. And then basically
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: by the third week, they'd moved basically back to where
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: they were before. And so I think we should think
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: about this as the beginning, not the end of her
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: final push here, right? This has opened the door to
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: new voters. It's given her momentum. I can't believe we've
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: gone this far into the debate without mentioning that you
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: got Taylor Swift's endorsement.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: That was next.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: We're talking about the debate, Dan. We're substance people.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Also, after the debate, Taylor Swift posted on Instagram that
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: she's voting for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz, signed the post,
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: childless cat lady. It's a big win. It was fantastic.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: The campaign said they didn't know she was going to
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: do that, which I assumed was true. But some people
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: were thinking about the timing. There was no timing. Taylor
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Swift just watched the debate and was like, yeah, I'm
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: going to vote for Kamala Harris.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: Well, she also said in the post that there was
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: some like AI generated fake endorsements of her and Donald Trump.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: I think she wanted to get ahead of that.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, the question of, I think we probably shouldn't
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: be looking for some sort of definitive polling bounce. I
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: think things to look for are, do we start to
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: see fewer voters say, I don't know enough about her.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: I don't know what she would do for me on
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: the economy. You know, I don't know enough about her plans.
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: We learned a lot of interesting things tonight. I don't
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: think that I knew that Kamala Harris was a gun owner.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: That was news.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: A cop and a gun owner.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: I was very happy.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: A cop, a gun-owning cop endorsed by Dick Cheney.
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: Let's get to the fucking doors, people. And John McCain's ghost.
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: I was very happy that Kamala Harris informed tens of
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: millions of people that Donald Trump invited the Taliban to
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: come hang out at Camp David. I bet that was
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: new information. That's for you.
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: That's a little treat for you.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in the world of space. I bet her Ukraine
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: answer was one of the least popular things she said
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: tonight just because people don't love sending money to foreign
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: places for wars. But she was smart enough to say
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: that Putin will go into Poland next because she knows
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: a lot of Polish Americans live in swing states. She
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: knows exactly how many. That was great. That was a
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: prepared candidate.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you look at like the CBS poll
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: of Pennsylvania that they like, you know, it was, it
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: was like whatever, 48, 49, 48 is really close. And
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: basically of all the people, like 5% of Trump voters
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: voted said they were open to voting for Kamala Harris.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: And then there was like 2% or 3% undecided. If
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: you got half of the undecided voters and 20% of
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the people that were leaning towards Trump that were open
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: to it, you would see what? Like a point or
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: two change in the vote in Pennsylvania, which means it's
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: like a huge shift in the people that are still
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: deciding would barely register in the polls at this point.
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And look, there's voters who are going to say, I
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: wanted to know what she's going to do versus what
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: he's going to do. There's also voters who are just
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: going to like make their decision based on impressions of
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: the two candidates. And she seemed like, I would look
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: at the strong leader numbers. I would look at the, like,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: who's going to bring change numbers in some of these polls.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: You know, we'll see what they bring. Who knows? Maybe
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: everyone watched and just the race is still polarized and tight.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that's probably the most likely outcome, but it
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: also could have gone badly. It did not. It actually
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: could not have gone better for her, I don't think.
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: And you know that Trump thinks that too, because his
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: top surrogates, like Lindsey Graham, told Tim Miller that the
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: debate team should be fired and Trump was unprepared and
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: he called it a disaster. And Trump made an unscheduled...
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: visit to the spin room, which you don't ever do.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: And then he went on Sean Hannity, right? Like they
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: were running scared. They will look weak.
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: JD Vance was talking to Caitlin Collins, trying to defend
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: the dogs and eating the dogs and cats.
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: I'm here.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Like actually some city geese have gone missing. And I
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: would just say that if at the end of a
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: presidential debate about who's going to be in charge of
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: the nukes and Medicare and healthcare and foreign policy, if
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: you're telling CNN that some city geese in Springfield, Ohio
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: may have gone missing, I don't know that you're where
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: you want to be message-wise.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: He was literally defending his posts.
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: He used to turn abducted.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: And he was like, and here's the thing, it may
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: not have been true, but you know what? We wouldn't
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: have had this conversation about immigration if not for our memes.
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: The memes were important. He literally defended the memes.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Do you think that somewhere right now, Like, I don't
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: know who it is. The all-in guys are having a
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: drunken podcast where they're calling on Trump to be replaced.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Do they? Oh, that would be great.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they want him to be replaced with his running
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: mate if he could go back in time and choose
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: his running mate as not JD.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: You don't think.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: They like JD?
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: Those guys probably like JD.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Are city geese like the king's deer?
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: Are you not allowed?
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, like, I don't think pets should be kidnapped, but, like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I don't know if we're going to really.
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Cry over a city goose. Yeah. Eat a city goose.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: One last thing we have to cover here. After the debate,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: the Harris campaign said, we'll see you again for the
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: second debate. They basically challenged Trump to a second debate
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: in October.
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: Meet me in Ohio.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: What do we think is going to happen there? On Fox,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: they're saying, oh, they want a second debate because she lost,
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: which just doesn't really pass the smell test. But it
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: sounds like he agrees to the second debate.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I think you guys were in the bathroom. He wouldn't
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: commit on Hannity.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: He wouldn't commit?
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: It's going to depend on the polls, right? This is
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: just how it was.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Well, what do you think? You think if he's losing,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: he gets the debate? And if it doesn't move the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: polls much, he just says no? He says no debate?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I hate to.
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: Predict what this addled man would do, but if you
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: were in his campaign, it's hard to see how another
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: debate would help you. It's not going to be better.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Well, so the other question is, where would that debate be?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Because we're running out of networks.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: It's Fox or NBC.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: It's Fox or NBC.
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: Or right here.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: CBS is a network.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, no, CBS definitely is going to work.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Here, yeah, here.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: But I do think he will push for a Fox debate.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: I could see him saying Fox or bust is what
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: I would say.
• 37:25
  Speaker 6: Max?
• 37:26
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: You could do, uh, sure.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: It could be a Pluto TV, uh, whatever that is.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, your options are debate or have JD Vance
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: over on MSNBC talking about how they're eating hamsters and
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: guinea pigs in Pittsburgh. JD Vance is sitting there desperately like,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: don't ask her about her cycle. Don't ask her what
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: you want to ask.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: You freak.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Absolute freak.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Do we think there's some people in the Harris campaign
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: that are like, maybe we don't need another debate. We
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: should just go out on top here.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Uh, I think it's great to challenge into a debate,
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: then get mired in the technicalities of whether there will
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: be a debate and then see what happens with the polls.
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: I think she should. I think she wants another debate.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: She should have another debate.
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: She's good at it.
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: Even after this debate, she is the underdog. And as
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: the underdog, you have to just put your pedal to
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: the metal the whole time. Do not take it off.
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: Keep going. Be the aggressor.
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: Have the most momentum.
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: Be everywhere.
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: She is so much better than him. She benefits so
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: much from the split screen. So push for it at
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: every moment.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: I agree with that.
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: If there's any bit of sort of caution and risk
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: aversion in her strategy, I think she would lose this race.
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: If she stays the aggressor, as she has for much
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: of these first eight weeks here, then she absolutely can win.
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: I also think that's why they challenged Donald Trump to
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: a debate five seconds after this debate was over.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 38:36
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• 40:21
  Speaker 3: Joe would have won this one, too. Trafalgar says Harris won.
• 40:25
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• 40:27
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  Speaker 1: 55-43.
• 40:30
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