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Mystery Murder of Steamy Romance Novelist’s Hubby-Chef · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: does a renowned and beloved chef end up murdered? How
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Speaker 1: Who would murder an Oregon chef? I'm Nancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in series XM one eleven. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen now to our friends. This is the Oregon Culinary Institute,
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Speaker 1: he would say. In the last thirty five years, I've
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Speaker 1: had about one hundred and fifty vegetable gardens. That's by
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Speaker 1: pineapple chutney, peach chutney, rubar ketchup. Today, I feel if
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Speaker 1: people work with more ingredients, they have a fuller understanding
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Speaker 1: of what to do with them. That's a secret. That's
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Speaker 1: a very secret process. One cuisine for the rest of
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Speaker 1: my life. Would I would opt for time cuisine? I
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Speaker 1: think I would look so for I think the quay
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Speaker 1: who was great on that they needed something deciphered, writer said,
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Speaker 1: the last wasn't the ReBs. I'd like to see this
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Speaker 1: students compete and the pure pressure that comes along from
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Speaker 1: being in a kitchen. I think we have done a
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Speaker 1: kind of a fun job of translating into the classroom,
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Speaker 1: He's going to look more professional. You got that diameter
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Speaker 1: of chicken breast. His big loves were food cooking, his wife,
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Speaker 1: the romance novelist. So how does he end up? Dad?
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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to break it down
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Speaker 1: and put it back together again? Joining me. Daryl Cohen,
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Speaker 1: former felony prosecutor now defense attorney, joining me out of
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Speaker 1: Inner City, Atlanta. Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst to the stars,
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Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills. Who can find her at
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Stephen Lampley, detective, author of
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Speaker 1: Outside Your Door at Stephen Lampley dot com. The former
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Speaker 1: medical examiner for the State of Georgia. Doctor Chris Sperry.
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Speaker 1: But right now, Terray Caputo, lead news anchor or Orlando's
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Speaker 1: Morning News DBO. Let's start at the beginning. Explain to
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Speaker 1: me how a beloved chef. In fact, I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: him right now and he is posing with a rooster.
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Speaker 1: I think, yes, that's a rooster. He's got in a
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Speaker 1: hat that says chef and he's holding the rooster. I
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Speaker 1: think it's a prize rooster. As if it's a baby
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Speaker 1: looking right at the camera. I mean, this guy didn't
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Speaker 1: have an enemy in the world. So how does Dan
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Speaker 1: Brophy Ray Kaputo end up shot dead? Well, Nancy, Dan Brokey,
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Speaker 1: by all accounts as a good guy. He was the
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Speaker 1: head instructor at the Oregon Culinary Institute for over a decade.
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Speaker 1: You know, he had a lot of young people. He
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Speaker 1: was a member of the community, helps people, help fed
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Speaker 1: the homeless. So he goes, hold on, hold on, you
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Speaker 1: got me drinking out of the fire. Eject too much
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Speaker 1: too fast. Did you say the head instructor at the
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Speaker 1: culinary Institute? Did you say that he was to the
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Speaker 1: head instructure? Okay, right, so that's a yes. Second question,
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Speaker 1: did you say he was involved in feeding the homeless
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Speaker 1: with his father yet and that was among them? Okay, pause, Ray,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to Ray Kabudo, the lead niece
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Speaker 1: anchor Morning News w DBO. Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor Inner
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Speaker 1: City Atlanta, now defense attorney Darryl Out. Of all the
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Speaker 1: cases you prosecuted and defended, did you ever notice or
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Speaker 1: wonder why did the good people have to be murdered?
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Speaker 1: No good d goes unpunished. I've never understood it, but
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Speaker 1: I think good people make a better target than bad people. Oh,
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Speaker 1: now you do have your j D, right, not your
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Speaker 1: pH d in psychiatry. Let me just clarify. I've ad
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Speaker 1: Darryl Cohen, attorney and counselor at law, the counselor part
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Speaker 1: as in like Bethiy Marshall, psycho analyst. Okay, didn't know
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Speaker 1: that about you, Daryl Cohen, But okay, just keep pulling
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Speaker 1: your leg. But you know, just I've noticed as it's
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Speaker 1: not a statistic, this is anecdotal, but I remember in
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Speaker 1: court thinking, why do all the good people get murdered
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Speaker 1: and the bad people, the evil people run free, unfettered,
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Speaker 1: Daryl Nancy, Because the good people don't expect something bad
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Speaker 1: to happen to them. The bad people are always looking
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Speaker 1: straight up, down and around to see what is going
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Speaker 1: to happen to them, and who is going to happen
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Speaker 1: to them. The good people do the right thing, and
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Speaker 1: when the wrong thing happens, it's totally unexpected, so they're
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Speaker 1: not there to defend themselves mentally or physically. That's a
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Speaker 1: conungrent of to doctor Bethany Marshall joining me, psychoanalyst, out
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Speaker 1: of la and I wrestled with it for so long
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Speaker 1: as a felony prosecutor, and I would look over at
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Speaker 1: the defendant and think why not that it was my
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Speaker 1: burden to prove motive, of course, but I would wonder why, Bethany.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what this means. But after about five
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Speaker 1: years prosecuting nothing but hardcore felonies for the rest of
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Speaker 1: the decade plus that I prosecuted, I didn't wonder why
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Speaker 1: as an inner question because I couldn't figure it out.
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Speaker 1: But I do have that lingering issue. What Here's Dan Brafey,
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Speaker 1: loving husband, his family, his wife who was a know
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Speaker 1: is a very famous romance novelist, food cooking, his students.
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Speaker 1: That was his world. I mean, he's posing with a rooster. Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I know, I know, you know. According to my forensic
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Speaker 1: idol Read Malloy, I'll quote him, but that all crimes
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Speaker 1: boiled down, the motivation for all crimes boiled down to
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Speaker 1: envy and jealousy. Envy. You have a better life, you
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Speaker 1: have something I want, your great your beloved, other people
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Speaker 1: love you. I'm going to gun you down. You know
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Speaker 1: what's interesting. I just tried to fit in very quickly,
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Speaker 1: two or three cases that I prosecuted into your equation,
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Speaker 1: and I immediately thought of a car jack. Yes, the
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Speaker 1: purp wanted the car. It was just as simple as that.
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Speaker 1: So he murdered a young man to get it. Then
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Speaker 1: a debt over ten dollars. One of the ten dollars.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just thinking about over all the cases I prosecuted,
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Speaker 1: the murders. It maybe is it that simple? Okay, Ray Kaputo,
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Speaker 1: I just let us down a rabbit hole. Sorry about that.
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Speaker 1: Back to you, Ray Kaputo. W DBO. What more can
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Speaker 1: you tell me about Dan Brophy other than he loved food,
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Speaker 1: He loved cuisine. He loved his students. Another thought, Another
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Speaker 1: thought to Stephen Lampley, former detective author outside your door.
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Speaker 1: Remember Tera Grinstead the high school I think history teacher
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Speaker 1: and beauty queen getting her master's degree. Turns out her
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Speaker 1: killer went unsaw for years was one of her previous students.
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Speaker 1: That opens up a gamut of potential suspects, Steve Nancia does.
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Speaker 1: But as all murdering investigations go, we're not going to
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Speaker 1: begin there. Yeah, We're gonna look at everybody. We're gonna
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Speaker 1: everygree stave a whole pool a potential suspect. But yes,
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Speaker 1: of course you always start with those closest too, the victim.
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Speaker 1: Ray Kaputo back to this guy fed, the homeless, beloved chef.
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Speaker 1: What Mark can you tell me about Dan Brithey? Married,
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Speaker 1: happily married to a romance novelist. What more do we
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Speaker 1: know about him? Well, I mean, yeah, he was married
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Speaker 1: for twenty seven years. His neighbors said he just seemed
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Speaker 1: like a really good guy, had a home garden, he'd
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Speaker 1: liked to forage for mushrooms. He was like a really
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Speaker 1: good with marine biology and nature and stuff. And you know,
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Speaker 1: he does seem like a really content guy. I know
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Speaker 1: one of his students who had said that she had
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Speaker 1: saw him just before he passed away. He was delivering
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Speaker 1: mushrooms or some food to a restaurant she was in,
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Speaker 1: and she said he just looked content. Many he looked
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Speaker 1: like he was just a happy guy going about his life.
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Speaker 1: And that never really struck me because it seemed like
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Speaker 1: it wasn't his time to go take a little into
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Speaker 1: our friens a ko i in. This is how most
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Speaker 1: people remember Daniel Brophy. A teacher, a chef, someone who
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Speaker 1: cared about treating animals humanely. Dominique Boza says she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have graduated the Oregan Culinary Institute without his help. He
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Speaker 1: was really tough. He was really hard. He would call
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Speaker 1: out some of the flaws that you had so you
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Speaker 1: can correct them. There was a big flood that came
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Speaker 1: down here and it buried a bunch of things. She
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Speaker 1: shared with us this video of Brophy in his element knowledge,
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Speaker 1: knowledge beyond belief. If you think you come into culinary
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Speaker 1: school like wide eyed with like the stream of being
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Speaker 1: a chef Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Daniel GROWTHI a
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Speaker 1: murder victim, beloved chef husband. His whole world was the
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Speaker 1: culinary institute and institute and his students. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to the murder victim in his own words. So I'm
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Speaker 1: always looking to learn new ingredients, new techniques, new cuisines,
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Speaker 1: and that keeps it interesting for me. You can see
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Speaker 1: how it needs a little something. Yeah, I mean you
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Speaker 1: walk by, you see that on a point, It's like,
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Speaker 1: oh man, I didn't even on the ad ferrets in
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Speaker 1: the US. I just love the culture that's been created here,
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Speaker 1: having the autonomy to write a class without having to
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Speaker 1: have approval, give it a focal point, put some color,
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Speaker 1: put some shape on there, because that you know, it's utilization,
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Speaker 1: it's opportunity. But if if it looks like a crap,
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Speaker 1: you always been all about it, even if it taste good.
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Speaker 1: People even their eyes, you know, so they see that.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing him speak in his own words about
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Speaker 1: his love for food. It was an art to him.
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Speaker 1: So back to you, Ray Kaputo, describe for me the injuries,
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Speaker 1: how he was found dead. Well, he went Dan browfordy
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Speaker 1: went to work on a Saturday morning. He had taught
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Speaker 1: weekend classes as well, and his students notice that he's
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Speaker 1: on around and they're going to go looking for him,
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Speaker 1: and they find him shot. He shot twice now, once
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Speaker 1: in the back and I believe once in the chest.
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Speaker 1: And you know, it's just a terrible thing. You know,
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Speaker 1: one of the students called nine one one. They have
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Speaker 1: a nine one one call, and you know, it was
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Speaker 1: just a really terrible sight, something that you know, nobody
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Speaker 1: expects to walk into on a Saturday morning when you're
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Speaker 1: you know, about to be learning in a learning environment.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's very very curious because statistically, on an
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Speaker 1: early Saturday morning to Daryl Cohen, former prosecutor now defense attorney.
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Speaker 1: Early Saturday morning is typically not when you get a
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Speaker 1: murder that's statistically off right there, it's not random. This
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Speaker 1: tells me it is not random. Every time someone is murdered.
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Speaker 1: Almost every time, when it's random, it's late at night,
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Speaker 1: they've been drinking. They would bolden their brazen. But this
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Speaker 1: on a Saturday morning, I think we're going to find
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Speaker 1: is someone who was after him and wanted to see
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Speaker 1: him there. You know, I heard one of those students
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Speaker 1: say that he would point out your flaws if you
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Speaker 1: did something wrong, and that's just part of the teaching process.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Darryl. In law school, we have the Socratic
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Speaker 1: method where you stand up in front of two hundred
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Speaker 1: people and you brief acase, identify the issue, give the
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Speaker 1: courts reasoning and application, and if you're wrong, you will
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Speaker 1: be questioned without stop by the professor and made to
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Speaker 1: look like a complete idiot. I mean, I totally never
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Speaker 1: raised my hand in law school. What Nancy Nancy d Qualls,
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Speaker 1: same law school. You and I went to separate times
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Speaker 1: called on me in criminal procedure, and it was about
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Speaker 1: sneaking up on someone and I told him exactly what
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Speaker 1: I should do, and he looked at me and said,
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Speaker 1: you're not a very good criminal. It's obvious to me
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Speaker 1: you have never snuck off on someone. Oh, you totally
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Speaker 1: be humiliated in law school by the professor's I remember
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Speaker 1: I made one bad grade and it was in my
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Speaker 1: first year one l and they posted the grades by number,
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Speaker 1: and by several of our grades, the professor wrote, good
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Speaker 1: luck in your law school career. So there, just let
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Speaker 1: me say, I was so spurred, you know, by that humiliation.
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Speaker 1: I fought my way up to Laurview because I was
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Speaker 1: convinced I was going to flunk it out after that
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Speaker 1: note that find an empathetic night from my professor. I
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Speaker 1: guess the same thing here. Did you hear that? Bethanie Marshall,
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Speaker 1: one of the students, said, oh yeah, I hit point
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Speaker 1: out if you know, had a flaw or you did
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Speaker 1: something wrong. Yeah, I heard it, Nancy. But that is
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Speaker 1: the role of a professor is to teach, to criticize,
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Speaker 1: to point out flaws. I think unfortunately, in this current
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Speaker 1: flatitious climate, students feel entitled to a good grade, and
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Speaker 1: they feel that they can buy their education. And I
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Speaker 1: have several friends who are professors. One is the head
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Speaker 1: of social Work at USC, and she says that if
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Speaker 1: she gives up a student a bad grade, they will
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Speaker 1: Some of the students are these. Okay, where does she
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Speaker 1: teach head of the School of Social Work at USC. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: let me get out of the USC Social Work school
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Speaker 1: and back into this murder case. Ray Kipude b DBO.
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Speaker 1: Question to you. So he's found in an early morning
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Speaker 1: I assume at work at the Culinary Institute by one
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Speaker 1: of the students. And where was he? Was he slumped
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Speaker 1: over a table? Was he in the kitchen? But did
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Speaker 1: somebody break in? Was there a forced and trim and
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Speaker 1: it got a lot of questions for you tell me
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Speaker 1: some more circumstances surrounding the discovery of his body. Yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: we know that he disarmed the security system, So this
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Speaker 1: murder happened just before the but he was found in
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Speaker 1: the back way just before what he disarmed the alarm
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Speaker 1: system and the murder occurred when after that, just after that? Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 1: so he was found in the back It wasn't immediately
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Speaker 1: evident that he had been shot because I believe another
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Speaker 1: instructor had come in just after him and didn't hear
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Speaker 1: any shots. But it was students, you know, maybe fifteen
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Speaker 1: twenty minutes after them that ended up finding his body. Now,
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Speaker 1: police looked around and here's the weird part of the answer.
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Speaker 1: He didn't seem like a robbery because his wallet was
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Speaker 1: still on on him, his cell phone as key. There
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Speaker 1: was no struggle and there was no four centuries so
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Speaker 1: and needless to say that after this happened, you know,
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Speaker 1: this is a learning environment. These students are on edge
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Speaker 1: now because their professor instructors just found that and nobody
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Speaker 1: knows who did it. My initial thought would be who
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Speaker 1: what student found him? Do you know, I don't know particularly,
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Speaker 1: but it was it was ones who were having classes,
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Speaker 1: ones who it should have been there. So it wasn't
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Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary in terms of who found it. Interesting,
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Speaker 1: you know, I want to analyze what we just heard
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Speaker 1: to Steve Lampley, detective author of outside your Door. So
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Speaker 1: he cuts off the alarm system, and between the time
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Speaker 1: he cuts off the alarm system that morning at the
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Speaker 1: culinary institute in his area and the time the first
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Speaker 1: student comes in there, he has been murdered. That's pretty
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Speaker 1: good timing in and out, just like in a movie. Lampley,
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Speaker 1: let me see as somebody that obviously knew he was
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Speaker 1: a routine. At least that's my opinion. They knew when
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Speaker 1: he was going to be there. They knew his basic routine.
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Speaker 1: And I agree with the other gentleman, this was not
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Speaker 1: a random killing. I agree, you and Daryl Cohen both
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Speaker 1: agree on that. And speaking of his love for Culinary
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Speaker 1: Institute and food and cooking and being innovative, take a
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Speaker 1: listen now to Katu and news of the grieving wife Dan.
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Speaker 1: I've never known exactly what he wanted in life. And yeah,
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Speaker 1: a student's colleagues and loved ones gathered at the Oregon
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Speaker 1: Culinary Institute tonight to remember beloved chef Dan Brofy. He
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Speaker 1: was shot and killed over the weekend. Police still don't
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Speaker 1: know who killed him. Chef Dan Brophy ran southless, Portland's
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Speaker 1: Oregon Culinary Institute. Students arriving for class the morning of
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Speaker 1: June second found Brofy dead inside the school, his killer
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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. Later that day, Nancy Crampton Brofy
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Speaker 1: appeared at a vigil. He was a person who did
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Speaker 1: what he loved teaching rushroom family he loved next time.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Crampton Brophy posted on her Facebook page the next
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Speaker 1: day a message announcing the sad news of her husband's
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Speaker 1: murder and added, I'm struggling to make sense of everything.
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Speaker 1: Right now you are hearing sound from a vigil for
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Speaker 1: the beloved chef instructor husband Dan Brophy. Between the time
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Speaker 1: he opens up the culinary institute, turns off the alarm
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Speaker 1: system and before the first student can come in, he
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Speaker 1: has been shot dead. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Guys.
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Speaker 1: The murderer of Daniel Brothy sends shockways through a small
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Speaker 1: Oregan community. The case remains a mystery, very curious to
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Speaker 1: doctor Chris Sperry, former Chief Medical Examiner for the entire
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Speaker 1: state of Georgia. We've tried many a case together, doctor Sperry.
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Speaker 1: When you come on to a scene like that, what's
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Speaker 1: the first thing you or your medical examiner, investigators and
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Speaker 1: staff would do to secure the scene and what would
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Speaker 1: you look for? Well, we would securing the scene is
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Speaker 1: exactly it, blocking off and closing access to the place,
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Speaker 1: the place of the building where the body was found,
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Speaker 1: and then we started working our way into the body
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Speaker 1: into where the body is located, looking for evidence, bugle
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Speaker 1: overturned chairs, you know that, showing to trying to see
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Speaker 1: if there had been any little fight between the perpetrator
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Speaker 1: and the victim and at the same time looking for
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Speaker 1: things like bullet cartridge case scenes in Chris, your satellite
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Speaker 1: is going down just a little bit, Jack, see if
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Speaker 1: you can reconnect him. But I did hear what he
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Speaker 1: said part of it. Ray Kaputo, lead anchor WDBO Morning News.
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Speaker 1: Was there a scene. Let's follow up on what doctor
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Speaker 1: Chris Sperry said. Was there any evidence of a struggle?
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Speaker 1: You said there was a forced entry, nothing turned over,
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Speaker 1: nothing at all. No, and that was the curious partner.
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Speaker 1: There wasn't a sign of a struggle. Was there's two
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Speaker 1: gunshots and the body slumped over, but nothing broken again,
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Speaker 1: personal items, personal effects still there. There really least comb
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Speaker 1: through this crime scene. They couldn't find a motive just yet.
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Speaker 1: That's very interesting because to you, Daryl Cohen, you would
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Speaker 1: look to see if anything has been stolen, if anything
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Speaker 1: has been moved around at the scene. With a female victim,
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Speaker 1: you typically look to see if there have been a
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Speaker 1: sex attack or a theft. With a male. You typically
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Speaker 1: look to say, if there has been any theft, would
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Speaker 1: you agree with that one thousand percent, not one hundred,
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Speaker 1: not two hundred, but one thousand. I'm glad to hear that.
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Speaker 1: So Darrell and I agree on this. So where does
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Speaker 1: that leave me, doctor Bethany Marshall, Well, I peophere it
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Speaker 1: leads us is that this was not a crime of opportunity.
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Speaker 1: This is somebody, as the panel pointed out, the perpetrator
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Speaker 1: knew his schedule, was intimately acquainted with his schedule. Not
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Speaker 1: only just that he was a chef and that he
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Speaker 1: worked at the culinary institute, but did he have a class.
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Speaker 1: This is not somebody who wanted to rob him. This
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Speaker 1: is not somebody who came and confronted him on something
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Speaker 1: and then a scuttle ensued. This is somebody who had
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Speaker 1: the class schedule, who would have had the class schedule,
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Speaker 1: family members, students. Was there another disgruntled employee there or Bethany,
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Speaker 1: I can't believe you haven't brought up Sato masochism yet.
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Speaker 1: What are you okay bath to me? Because I'm worried.
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Speaker 1: As you said the first thing you say, it's clearly
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Speaker 1: Sato my stotistic so I can't believe haven't brought up
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Speaker 1: the idea that he had a lover at the culinary institute,
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Speaker 1: maybe a younger woman. But actually, don't waste your time
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Speaker 1: or your breath because he didn't. I mean, you see
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Speaker 1: him cold up pry here with our rooster. And apparently
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Speaker 1: the reaser has something to do with eggs. But where
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Speaker 1: does that lead made of a sex attack? He doesn't
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Speaker 1: have a lover, no girlfriend, Police cold through all of
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Speaker 1: his texts, emails, the works, nothing And typically when you
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Speaker 1: have a spouse do a killing, you find it at
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Speaker 1: home or in the case of Jennifer Dulas, you never
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Speaker 1: find the body, or it's hidden away in some remote
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Speaker 1: area because they want to get it away from the home.
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Speaker 1: But speaking of the wife, pretty famous romance novelist take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at kg W eight. Nancy
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Speaker 1: has written several novels and in twenty eleven also wrote
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Speaker 1: an essay called how to Murder Your Husband. In it,
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Speaker 1: she writes, I find it as easier to wish people
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Speaker 1: dead than to actually kill them. I don't want to
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Speaker 1: worry about blood and brains splattered on my walls. And
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Speaker 1: really I'm not good at remembering lies. But the thing
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Speaker 1: I know about murder is that every one of us
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Speaker 1: has it in him or her when pushed far enough.
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Speaker 1: Huh Well, I mean, I guess we can all agree
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Speaker 1: with that nobody wants blood and brains spattering on their walls.
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Speaker 1: But I've never really thought to say it's easier to
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Speaker 1: wish people dead rather than actually do it. And I
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Speaker 1: know that if pushed far enough, anyone can murder. Is
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Speaker 1: that true, doctor, Bethany do you believe that's true? If
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Speaker 1: anyone is pushed far enough, they could commit murder. And
24:52
Speaker 1: murder is not self defense. So let's not confuse. If
24:57
Speaker 1: you are under attack, or your child or a third
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Speaker 1: party is about to be murdered, and you kill someone
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Speaker 1: to say someone else, that's not murder. Self defense is
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Speaker 1: a complete defense under the law, and it's not accident.
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Speaker 1: So do you believe that, Bethley, Because I find it
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Speaker 1: really hard to believe that I would commit a murder.
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Speaker 1: I never even think about killing anybody, can't. I don't
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Speaker 1: even believe in crime of passion, to be honest with you,
25:24
Speaker 1: that's a legal term. I think all murders are contemplated,
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Speaker 1: either consciously or unconsciously, for a great amount of time.
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Speaker 1: Very few things happen by random or by chance. They
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Speaker 1: are fantasized about. They're glorified. This woman is talking about
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Speaker 1: brains and God's help being splattered against her wall. It
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Speaker 1: sounds like somebody who is beginning to fantasize about murder
25:46
Speaker 1: told me, if you're writing a murder a mystery, of
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Speaker 1: course you're going to write about that. I thought she
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Speaker 1: was a romance novel novelist for the most part, but
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Speaker 1: she did write this essay. I mean, Bethany, excuse me?
25:57
Speaker 1: Does this mean you have not read the Hailey Dean
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Speaker 1: murder histories? Because I really off somebody by pushing them
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Speaker 1: into the water at Gator World. However, so does that
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Speaker 1: mean you know? Although my husband Jackie didn't want to
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Speaker 1: put a toe at Gator Land or Gator World, whichever
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Speaker 1: it was. When the children to Disney, he said, hey,
26:17
Speaker 1: I read your book. I'm not getting near that boardwalk
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Speaker 1: forget about it. But a lot story short, that doesn't
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Speaker 1: mean I would actually do it. Nancy, one of my supervisors,
26:25
Speaker 1: was a protegee of a protegee of Freud's. She was
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Speaker 1: from Austria. Died at age one hundred and three about
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Speaker 1: five years ago, and she used to always say, hey,
26:34
Speaker 1: there's a difference. There's a difference between impulse and action.
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Speaker 1: We can think whatever we want, that's not a problem.
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Speaker 1: It's when you act out on it and you do it.
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Speaker 1: You ask me the question, do all of us have
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Speaker 1: in us the capacity for murder? No? Absolutely not, because
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Speaker 1: it takes an enormous amount of strength, planning, a willfulness, foresight, hatred.
26:57
Speaker 1: So much goes in to killing a person. It is
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Speaker 1: not an easy thing to do. It doesn't just happen
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Speaker 1: randomly or by chance. Now, I have patients come to
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Speaker 1: my office all the time and say, oh, I want
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Speaker 1: to tell you something, but I hope you won't report me,
27:11
Speaker 1: and is this confidential, and blah blah blah. I always
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Speaker 1: know where they're going, especially if they're talking about their spouse.
27:16
Speaker 1: And I'll say, I know you have the thought the
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Speaker 1: other day that you wish your spouse was dead. How
27:20
Speaker 1: did you know? Because everybody thinks that it's ever thing
27:26
Speaker 1: I wish David was dead. I kid around about it,
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Speaker 1: but I no reach the top shelf in the kitchen.
27:33
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just start with that. But okay, here's
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Speaker 1: the reality. You've got this romance novelist. She's writing murder
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Speaker 1: essays as well. She ventures into writing murder mysteries, and
27:44
Speaker 1: of course she's the wife. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at ko I n TV. I think it's a
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Speaker 1: surprise to everybody in the neighborhood. As an author, she's
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Speaker 1: been writing steamy romance novels filled with murderer troubles in
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Speaker 1: the marriage. They never knew it. Fairly quiet ordinary people.
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Speaker 1: From what I could observe Christmas well, she may have
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Speaker 1: been tight lipped with neighbors. Nancy expressed her feelings on
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Speaker 1: Facebook shortly after Daniel's death, calling him her best friend.
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Speaker 1: In the months since her husband, beloved chef Daniel Brophy
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Speaker 1: was killed, McDonald says Nancy, who's now in custody, kept
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Speaker 1: busy preparing to move. I never put that together. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I mean, even after she said I'm a suspect, I
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Speaker 1: just thought, oh, yeah, wellly they always suspect the opposite spouse,
28:32
Speaker 1: you know. I would hope that she's innocent and that
28:37
Speaker 1: she's just handling it well. Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys,
28:52
Speaker 1: we were talking about the untimely death and murder of
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Speaker 1: a beloved chef I want you to take a listen
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Speaker 1: now to our friends. At kg W eight students found
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Speaker 1: chef Daniel Brophy clinging to life inside the organ Culinary Institute.
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Speaker 1: Brophy had been shot. Paramedics tried to save him, but
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Speaker 1: he didn't make it. I remember hearing about this back
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Speaker 1: in June, and you know, feeling, you know, how could
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Speaker 1: this happen to somebody who's just one of the best
29:21
Speaker 1: people of Former students like Scott van Schoten are reeling
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Speaker 1: after learning his wife, Nancy Crampton Brophy, is now charged
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Speaker 1: with his murderer. The wife after all of her steamy
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Speaker 1: romancing romance novels, after going on Facebook talking about he's
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Speaker 1: her best friend. While it turns out that in this
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Speaker 1: case those thoughts turned into actions. Now police have a theory.
29:47
Speaker 1: Listen to Ka to U two Joe Douglas. Investigators say
29:51
Speaker 1: Nancy Brophy lied about where she was the morning her
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Speaker 1: husband's body was found here at the Oregon Culinary Institute.
29:58
Speaker 1: They also say she lied about life insurance. This is
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Speaker 1: the article Portland police say Nancy Brophy wrote and posted
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Speaker 1: in twenty eleven entitled how to Murder Your Husband and
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Speaker 1: newly unsealed court documents. Detectives say they discovered Daniel and
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Speaker 1: Nancy shared a joint iTunes account and that someone on
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Speaker 1: it had recently bookmarked an article titled ten Ways to
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Speaker 1: cover up a murder. Okay, Ray Kaputo, you didn't tell me.
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Speaker 1: The essay she wrote was titled how to Murder Your Husband.
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Speaker 1: So now the author of all these steamy romance novels
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Speaker 1: and the essay how to Murder your husband is charged
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Speaker 1: with murdering her husband. What is the evidence? And wait,
30:42
Speaker 1: what was the m O? How did she get in?
30:44
Speaker 1: What do we know? Ray kaputol Here her motivation was
30:47
Speaker 1: apparently over a million dollars an insurance money. Now she
30:52
Speaker 1: was paying the premiums on this insurance policy. Who we
30:54
Speaker 1: learned well, her family home with her husband Danny, like
30:58
Speaker 1: they weren't paying their mortgage, so they were kind of
31:01
Speaker 1: months to months. And she apparently had fantasy a better
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Speaker 1: life just going out and being able to write her
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Speaker 1: romance novels and travel the world. And she could already
31:11
Speaker 1: write her romance novels. She was writing her romance novels.
31:16
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't understand that, Dodgor Bethany Marshall. So
31:20
Speaker 1: just to get the money so she could travel. You know,
31:23
Speaker 1: such a common motivation for murder is somebody wanting to
31:27
Speaker 1: have this idealized life when in fact they already have
31:31
Speaker 1: a great life in front of them. I think of
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Speaker 1: top mom. You know, she wanted an idealized life with lovers,
31:36
Speaker 1: so she got rid of her child, but she already
31:39
Speaker 1: had the best life ever, Nancy. I see this in
31:42
Speaker 1: my practice all the time. It doesn't necessarily lead to homicide. Obviously,
31:45
Speaker 1: these are neurotic, not homicidal patients. But they always think,
31:50
Speaker 1: or often think, that there's a better life somewhere else
31:53
Speaker 1: with another person with more money, with riches, with fame.
31:57
Speaker 1: But often they're married to these wonderful people like this chef.
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Speaker 1: But what they have right in front of them gets
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Speaker 1: you valued, It gets tromped on, it gets wasted, it
32:10
Speaker 1: gets destroyed. These people are toxic, destructive people. So think
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Speaker 1: of how wonderful her life could have been with him.
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Speaker 1: But no, she had to take out all of these
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Speaker 1: insurance policies and my understanding, and she became her own agent,
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Speaker 1: wrote the policies as well as took them out. Talk
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Speaker 1: about being obvious in terms of her planning for this murder,
32:31
Speaker 1: but she destroyed something good her life, and his insurance
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Speaker 1: payments were being made, but not house payments, according to W.
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Speaker 1: Dbo Ray Kiputo. To doctor Chris Sperry, former chief medical
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Speaker 1: Examiner for the entire state of Georgia, I thought it
32:48
Speaker 1: was very interesting that he was shot twice, and I'm
32:53
Speaker 1: betting it was at close range. What does that tell
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Speaker 1: you about the killer, doctor Sperry, Well, it tells me
33:00
Speaker 1: that the killer was probably someone that was known to him,
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Speaker 1: and that the killer was allowed, that is, the victim
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Speaker 1: allowed the killer to get relatively close. It wasn't really
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Speaker 1: worried about anything at all, and he was taken by
33:16
Speaker 1: surprise because the killer, unbeknownst to the victim, had a
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Speaker 1: gun and probably had an inside of a purse or
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Speaker 1: something like that until she got close enough to him
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Speaker 1: that she could easily kill him. And he just did
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Speaker 1: not have an inkling of worry at all. You know,
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Speaker 1: it takes such a psyche to sneak him on somebody
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Speaker 1: that you either loved or love with a hidden weapon,
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Speaker 1: go up to them at close range, take out the
33:45
Speaker 1: gun and shoot them not once, but twice. And I
33:49
Speaker 1: believe that second bullet really gave her away because she
33:53
Speaker 1: killed him twice over and then leave the scene. Now
33:59
Speaker 1: take a SIKATUNEDS reporter Joe Douglas. Investigators say Nancy told
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Speaker 1: them she'd bought a nine millimeter pistol at a gun
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Speaker 1: show in February twenty eighteen. They say the two bullets
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Speaker 1: that hit Daniel Brophy did not match that gun, but
34:15
Speaker 1: investigators say they later discovered Nancy had bought a kit
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Speaker 1: online from ghostguns dot Com to make a similar, untraceable
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Speaker 1: version of the pistol. They also say she bought gun
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Speaker 1: parts like a slide barrel online and that the gun
34:28
Speaker 1: and accessories matched the bullets that hit Daniel. Police also
34:32
Speaker 1: say Nancy lied about her location the morning Daniel was found.
34:36
Speaker 1: They say she told them she was at her Beavergon
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Speaker 1: home when surveillance video showed her driving her minivan on
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Speaker 1: Jefferson outside the Culinary Institute before Daniel's body was found.
34:50
Speaker 1: Investigators also say Nancy told them she'd taken out a
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Speaker 1: forty thousand dollar life insurance policy on Daniel. They say
34:56
Speaker 1: they later discovered she was a beneficiary at several policies
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Speaker 1: at more than three hundred and fifty thousand bucks Nancy
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Speaker 1: Brophy has pleaded not guilty to murder. As it turns out,
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Speaker 1: it was over one million dollars of life insurance proceeds
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Speaker 1: she had coming to her at the time of the
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Speaker 1: death of her husband. I mean, mini van, could you
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Speaker 1: get any more cliche? I'm a guilty mini van driver.
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Speaker 1: Let me just put that out there. So I wonder
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Speaker 1: does she want to get caught because to you, Stephen Lampley,
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Speaker 1: detective author, outside your door, that takes a lot of
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Speaker 1: effort and a lot of planning to go to ghostgun
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Speaker 1: dot com order what you need to make a ghost gun?
35:38
Speaker 1: What is a ghost gun? Nancy? In this case, what
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Speaker 1: she did was she they had previously bought a gun
35:44
Speaker 1: I think it had a gun show, and she went
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Speaker 1: online to eBay as I understand, and bought replacement parts
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Speaker 1: for that gun. And what she did was is she
35:54
Speaker 1: took the original parts out of the gun as it
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Speaker 1: was purchased. I believe it was a clock, and then
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Speaker 1: she replaced it with the parts that she bought from eBay.
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Speaker 1: And the whole purpose of that was to use the
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Speaker 1: gun to commit the murder. Come back, take the barrel,
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Speaker 1: which of course would indicate the riflings and lands and
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Speaker 1: grooves on the bullet itself, replaced the barrel and the
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Speaker 1: parts that would give away that gun with the original
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Speaker 1: and hopes that the police would never catch that. Well.
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Speaker 1: At this moment, she is being held behind bars. The
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Speaker 1: former romance novelist is seeking any way to get out
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Speaker 1: of jail. But hey, Chennap, you had a lot of
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Speaker 1: time alone to work on your next novel. We wait
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Speaker 1: as justice and falls. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off
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Speaker 1: goodbye friend,