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No ID is meant for a sane audience. No ID may
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contain Liberty -oriented content. Pinko discretion
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is advised. Now, here's No ID with Paul Banducci
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and Scott Moskowitz. Hey, the man's right. Welcome
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back to No ID, Idaho's mainstream media and narrative
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deconstruction. I'm Scott. Hello internet, I'm
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Paul. What a beautiful day. We have special guests
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with us today Scott break it down Whoa, and I
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didn't even initiate this one unlike that. It
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actually hasn't been a guest on this program
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This is episode 43 of no ID today Not since episode
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2 has there been a guest on this program where
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we we we announced that oh, hey We're starting
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this podcast here and we're gonna it's gonna
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be Paul and me and we're gonna deconstruct the
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mainstream media and then right out of the gate
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guest Guest and but no guests since so today
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Scott told me what the business model was and
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I said that sounds great What if we don't do
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that? Now today Tyler Cain is joining us Tyler
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Cain is the man and be quickly becoming a myth
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and legend behind D flock, Idaho But before we
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hit the record button here We were sort of you
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know having a conversation among ourselves about
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how well what about Motorola? What about this?
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Why is everyone so should it actually be D fuck,
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Idaho? That's funny. Yeah. So my name is Tyler
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Kane. Thanks for having me guys. Yeah, it should
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be, it really should be no ALPR Idaho. I just
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haven't wanted to change the name yet because
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Flock is like the name brand. I know we were
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talking about, you know, Mountain Dew versus
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Dr. Thunder. Well, as we all know, man, substance
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doesn't matter. It's straight up marketing. You
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got to just, you know, so marketing is what matters.
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There you go. Anti -ALPR. Yeah. It doesn't have
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the same ring to it. Just doesn't ring. Right.
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I mean, they call it a flock for a reason, right?
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So we're calling it deflock for a reason. I mean,
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what, what reason did they, I mean, so what,
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we're all a flock of sheep. Is that it? Like,
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what is even, or is it an acronym? I'm, I guess
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I'm sort of ignorant on it. I don't know. I mean,
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whoever I. I feel like they really screwed themselves
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when they chose the name flock like people aren't
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going to be upset being called, you know, these
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flock cameras, these flock of sheep cameras.
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Right. And basically, we talk about a lot on
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this program where there's a lot of the naming
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schemes and even down to some of the actual names
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of people like the drag performer that was suing
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summer Bushnell is Eric Posey, like the poser
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is posing as a what like there's a lot of this
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that goes on where it's like It feels quite deliberate,
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like the reptiles running the simulation or just
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messing with us. Oh, dude. Representative Handy,
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Governor Little. We can't write this as well
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as they do. This is, hey, Tyler, this is Representative
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Handy. I've seen people in every way, shape or
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form all over the world going to the bathroom.
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That guy's last name is Handy. Handy. And this
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there's a bazillion examples of this sort of
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thing. So I don't know flock. They really screwed
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themselves They couldn't have picked a more ridiculous
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name No, I mean another one. That's funny is
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So axon was called taser, but then they put on
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They put a taser on a drone and everyone got
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pissed So they had they fired a bunch of business
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executives and then they changed their name because
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everyone was so mad about their taser That's
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fantastic. They didn't change what they do. I
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think would an idiot do that they didn't change
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it yeah they just changed the name not what they're
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actually doing no no they're still they're still
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doing the same thing yeah i told you marketing
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marketing is what matters it's like with taxation
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they go hmm what should we call it should we
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call it theft no no sounds too rude let's call
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it taxation oh yes oh very good very good OK,
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now, before we get into some flock, we got lots
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of flock clips, as you might imagine. I when
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we were speaking also before the show here about
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Mayor Randy Westland and Tyler, you just had
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like a recent conversation with Post Falls Mayor
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Randy Westland. I think you've been speaking
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with a lot of sort of political figures, bureaucrats,
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politicians across the state in recent months.
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And so I want to play this based on what you
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just said, Paul, with regard to tax and Randy
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Westland, because you said, Tyler, like, well,
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I will you. You tell us what your sort of impression
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of Mayor Westland was. He seemed like a decent
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guy. I mean, he took the time to talk to me.
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I think there's some misinformation and it's
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exactly what we were just saying with, you know,
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Mountain Dew versus Dr. Thunder where people
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are against flock. And Randy Westland came out
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saying. Hey, I'm against flock. I stand for people's
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rights. We don't use flock. We use Motorola and
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So it was definitely and people fell for it they're
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like, oh great. Yeah celebrate Randy But Motorola
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operates the same and if and the things that
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Motorola does You know as far as with with the
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way they use data You know allowing they give
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it to other companies to use Anyways, and even
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Motorola can use just standard cameras. They
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can integrate them so any camera can become an
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ALPR camera And so I just I found it funny and
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I talked to him and I think maybe he had some
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you know Clarity in that but I don't know if
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he's moving forward with anything To get rid
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of them. I know they're gonna put some sort of
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like transparency portal or something together,
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and then invite the community to discuss it.
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So I guess as much as you can ask for. Transparency
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portal that just for clarity sake, is that something
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and then you say the public is that something
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as a transparency portal something that you and
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I and Scott, you know, john q public that we
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can log on to and quote unquote, like, see what
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the elite pedo lizard people are up to? As they're
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watching us like, is this is this us getting
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the chance to watch them watch us? Is that what
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that is? No, usually a lot of times these portals
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and I don't know the scale of what they're doing
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with with flock. You used to be able to see like
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searches that were being done in the amount of
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searches with with some of them. Some of them
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you still can. But but a lot of them have moved
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away from that. So if you go into like the website,
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have I been flocked dot com? That way, that's
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a real website. It aggregates a lot of that data
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from those transparency portals and stuff that
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people get from like public records. And it's
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just like the searches that are being done. But
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I think he was going to put together like the
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contract, you know, maybe how it's being used,
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you know, any policies, something simple. But
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he seems open to doing, you know, if the community
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doesn't want him, he seemed open to. you know
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trying to get rid of them the thing is is at
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the end of the day the mayor uh really has no
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say you know comes down to the city council um
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or or even you know the police department themselves
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yep or whatever contracts they're working under
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that are that are you know um what's the word
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i want that are predicate that predicate them
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i mean yeah figurehead well and but sometimes
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like here in wilder the the cameras were put
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in with just between the police chief and the
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mayor. The police chief said, oh, I have some
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extra money. I'm going to go buy cameras that
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come below the procurement requirement. There
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was just in Kentucky, there's one of the sheriffs
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there. I can't remember which county it was.
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I was just watching the meeting yesterday. But
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essentially, the sheriff just kept coming under
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the procurement requirement, which is like 20
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,000. But he did it so many times that by the
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time they're done, they're spending 200 ,000
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on, on flock cameras. It was kind of like structuring
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with your, with your money with structuring is
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if you don't make deposits that are 10, like
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$10 ,001, the IRS goes ping and they watch you.
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But if you do, you know, 9 ,987 for some reason,
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it's not as big of a deal. Why didn't you pick
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this one? I was like, I was looking forward to
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it. And then all of a sudden you veered off into
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like nine, seven. I don't have the sound drop
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you have the sound drop you did good Scott. I'm
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proud of you I want to play this this is from
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creme channel to you'll soon be paying more for
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your property tax in post falls the City Council
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approved a 4 % property tax increase as well
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as a 3 % increase that means for a $650 ,000
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home for example you'll pay about $25 more for
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the first year of the increase our news partners
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at the Coeur d 'Alene press report that inflation
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and population growth is most likely to blame
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for the tax hike mayor Randy Westland says the
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city is also planning to make some cuts you can
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see the city's plan on their website Listen one
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more time to that report that inflation and population
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growth is most likely inflation. Inflation and
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population growth. So just like covid forced
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the racketeer to close while allowing Home Depot
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to continue operating. Prohibition caused organized
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crime. Inflation caused rent control. Violent
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video games caused Columbine. 9 -11 caused the
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Patriot Act. Terrorism caused great grandmothers
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to have to take off their shoes at airport security.
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The city's budget caused tax increases. AI caused
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all those employees to be fired and crime is
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crime is causing. the installation of ALPRs and
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spoons made Oprah fat. I think these ALPRs are
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what's driving these tax increases because these
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never existed really in the state but before
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2023. So like Nampa for instance since they first
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started putting them in in 22, well 22 I guess,
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so in 22 but from 22 to now they've spent six
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million dollars so in four years they spent six
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million dollars. And so, and so now the police,
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the police are saying, we need money. We need
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money. We want, and they're trying to put a $5
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million levy. And, and it's like, well, you spent
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6 million to stalk people. I mean, the, we need
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money refrain is, is not new at all. Right. But
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every year it just, it gets bigger and bigger
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and bigger. What did you guys spend your Schmeckles
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on last year? Oh, uh, watching you. Surveillance.
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Now we need more. Money. Well, think about every
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time you get like a new like a new subscription,
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right? There's so many streaming services. You
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can only get so many. Right. And so as they continue
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with mass surveillance, they're just extending
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their budget, extending their budget. I'd much
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rather see, you know, us pay officers a decent
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amount of money, not, you know, talk to everyone.
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We need money for neither. How about I keep my
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money and if I want security I'll pay for security
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and then you know then I don't have road pirates
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harassing me on the road because I violate some
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arbitrary bullshit law I didn't vote for or agree
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to like five miles over the speed limit. Yeah,
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yeah, good stuff like that. Paul is a wild -eyed
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anarchist, Tyler, just so you know. Yeah, I'm
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a crazy person. I believe in peacefully existing
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free trade. Don't hurt people. Don't take their
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stuff. It's pretty nutso over here. Yeah, I think
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you should try and follow Melissa Wintrow's advice,
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Paul, rather than thinking like that. We all
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just pay our fair share, right? This is from
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NPR. First up this morning, Idaho began its new
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fiscal year in July, and tax collections last
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month came in higher than predicted, but a little
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less compared to a year ago. Here's James Dawson
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to break down the numbers. Idahoans and visitors
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shelled out far more than anticipated at the
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checkout line last month. The state raked in
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about 15 % more in sales tax than in July 2025,
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accounting for nearly half of the state's revenue.
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personal income tax collections are up slightly
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compared to the state's official forecast by
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about 15 million. They got more of our labor
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than we anticipated. They're up slightly compared
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to the state's official forecast by about 15
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million dollars. That's nearly 25 percent lower
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than last July's collections though. But fear
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not, citizen, it's less. We took more from you,
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but fear not, it's less. Do you remember the
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good times last July? Miscellaneous revenue chipped
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in an extra $15 million over expectations. Overall,
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the state took in $361 .8 million last month,
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which is slightly higher than economists predicted.
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Governor Little is telling state agencies to
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make do with flat budgets for a second year in
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a row to accommodate significant tax cuts. We
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took in more and you have to make do with what
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you got. Use what you already have. To accommodate
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significant tax cuts made over the last several
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years and a post COVID economy. James Dawson.
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Post -COVID economy. Okay. So again, COVID caused
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the economy, all of the agency being laundered
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out of the language by the media as a media deconstruction
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program. We always like to point out how agency
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and decision -making and actual policy All of
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these inanimate objects create policy according
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to how the media frames these stories on behalf
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of the state. Yeah man if we were out there hunting
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like we could we could kill all of these things
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just by saying they inflation it was coming right
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at us. I had to put it down. Let's do some flock
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stuff. This is now a non Idaho affiliate of Fox.
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This is Fox 31 Denver. A Denver woman says that
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she was wrongfully accused of theft after police
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tracked her car using flat cameras. Now, the
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camera system has been a point of controversy
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over privacy concerns, but it's been a praise
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tool by police who have used it successfully
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to track down suspects and make arrests. But
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after the system was used to accuse her of a
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crime, one woman is warning everyone to have
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cameras of their own. Fox 31's Anna Kuhn sat
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down with her and has her story tonight. Anna?
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Hey guys, well the Columbine Valley Police Chief
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has since voided the court summons against this
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woman, but she says she never should have been
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accused in the first place. She says her car
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was never at the address where that package was
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stolen. You know we have cameras in that now
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Paul. This is you sent me this few couple few
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weeks ago, or maybe it's two weeks ago. I wanted
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to wait for Tyler to be on this and this is Tyler
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on this one. You sent me the reason TV had the
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actual like body cam footage of this incident
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that's being covered here on Fox 31 Denver. So
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this is the the news affiliate playing little
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snippets of that exchange, which you say I have
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the whole thing, but we might not need to play
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it. But listen to some of the reason is a yeah,
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they're a libertarian think tank slash news agency,
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basically. So everything comes from a liberty
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minded angle. And they're they're on point, though.
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They get their facts right. They get their shit
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straight. Just like. Well, just like libertarian
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think tanks tend to do. And I think everything
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you need to know about how law enforcement operates,
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how the government in general behaves, and how
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surveillance is bad. Okay, all in one sound clip
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here all in one basically issue that a citizen
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has already experienced everything you need to
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know. You know, we have cameras in that town.
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You can't get a breath of fresh air in or out
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of that place without us knowing, correct? You
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can't breathe. On September 27th, the Columbine
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Valley police officer came to Chrisanna Elser's
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door and issued her a summons to appear in court,
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accusing her of stealing a $25 package in the
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town of Beaumar. The officer said he had doorbell
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video of the theft and had tracked her car in
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the area using flock cameras. It is locked in.
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There is zero doubt. I wouldn't have come here
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unless... Zero doubt. One hundred percent. The
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only problem with this case, she wasn't there
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and she had the evidence to prove it. Dash camera
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video. Boy, good thing this innocent woman had
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to prove her innocence, right? Because she was
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guilty until she proved her innocence. One hundred
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percent lock. You sure about that? dash camera
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video from her car. A log of her location from
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Google Maps and doorbell video of her walking
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into her tailors house when the package was stolen.
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He just kept telling me that any evidence I had
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wasn't worth it because you have not been honest
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with me, so I'm not going to extend you any courtesy
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of showing you a video when I don't mean when
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I can show you videos. After a few weeks, Elsa
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was able to get in touch with the police chief
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who wrote her in an email quote after reviewing
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evidence you have provided. done by the way we
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have voided the summons that was issued she shouldn't
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have needed to prove her innocence and worries
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flock cameras can paint a picture police will
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rely too heavily on they need to be used properly
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versus we're now going to use this to accuse
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anybody and everybody We did reach out. Okay,
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hold on real quick. This lady just experienced
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this and is drinking, I guarantee you she's a
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leftist. She has to be a leftist or I guess maybe
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a neocon because they drink the other, the blue
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Kool -Aid, the deep blue Kool -Aid. So she could
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be either a neocon or a hardcore leftist. They're
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both kind of the same. They love authority and
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boot leather. They just argue over the flavor
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of the boot leather. But the fact that this lady
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goes through this and comes out on the other
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side and says, you see, the only issue here is
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that it just wasn't used properly on me. And
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that's the beef I've got. I mean, my God, how
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could you come out of this experience and not
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be like, and we need to hacksaw all of these
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motherfucking machines down right now. So I've
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been bringing up the argument that so when you
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look at flock flock safety, right? So at first
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you think it's a safety tool and then once you
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boil it down even further then you're like, okay
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Well, it is a surveillance tool, but it's really
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not even a surveillance tool It's a pre -crime
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tool because it's investigating Everyone absent
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everyone every person that that travels it is
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investigating without any probable cause or a
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warrant and so it is a pre -crime tool it's not
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even a surveillance tool and so it can't be used
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correctly we can't um and we can't even put you
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know guard rails guard rails are a mute point
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you can't put guard rails when tyranny is a software
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patch away um well you got a lot to unpack there
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tyler too because you've got like like what we
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talk about with um with public education is something
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that comes up a lot. I'll use that as another
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example when you say, well, it can't be used
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correctly, yada, yada, yada. I would make the
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same argument for, damn near anything the government
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does. But education is a great one where people
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go, it's broken. And I say, no, it's not broken.
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It's doing exactly what it's designed to do.
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That's this mass surveillance network they're
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setting up with Flock, Motorola, Axon, you name
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it, whatever name brand or bottom shelf brand.
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It's doing exactly what it's designed to do.
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And it has nothing to do with safety, like you're
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saying. It's too bad that a tyranny is a software
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patch away. It's slightly long for a show title,
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but it's strong. I like it I want to get your
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I want to get your thoughts Tyler on this this
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take is from the no agenda show the mothership
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Sir, Ducifer guest hosting with Adam Ducifer
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had a really interesting take on could you mention
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hacksawing these things down and why this poor
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lady this sufferer of Stockholm syndrome who
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has this happen to her and thinks that the Kidnappers
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just weren't quite giving her the right mutton
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and meat. I don't know If only we had used this
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violence with just the right people using just
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the right amount of violence and just the right
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way, then we'd be all right. Yeah, if the tyranny
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had just a slightly different software patch.
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Anyway, this is Deucifers take on the whole,
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you know, the hacksawing of the flock cameras
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and the or the backing of trouble. We've done
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it on this program and it seems to sort of be
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like a meme or whatever the people are destroying
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or taking down. flock cameras themselves, vigilante
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justice. Ducever's take was that that in itself
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is an op. Well and if they want to track you
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they're already tracking you through... the phone
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you carry around. And they're posting their fears
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on Instagram and TikTok, which is the literal
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Skynet. No, they're posting their crimes. They're
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like, let's cut down these flock cameras, which
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I think is, I was going to say this after I played
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some of these clips, but that's the psy -op of,
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hey, go cut down your local flock camera. Nothing
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will happen. I'm like, there's somebody running
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this thing to create a flock protection system.
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That is going to become really bad. You know,
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like right now it's just vandalism. Well, now
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it's going to be, Now you're messing with infrastructure
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and it's going to be some weird thing where they
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turn it around and go, now we're going to get
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you and it's 20 years in prison for touching
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a flat camera. That's what I think. Well, that's
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an interesting take. Well, that's where it leads.
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It always leads to that. We got to create something
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protected. So this is the surveillance system
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that we're creating or who's creating, we don't
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know, but there's other. Companies out there
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other than flock. Oh, yeah that are doing the
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same thing. How about how about and we don't
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hear about how about Amazon with the ring doorbells?
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Which everyone gladly put on their on their home
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Right and now they're clairvoyant. They can see
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in boxes So, what do you think about that that
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the whole you know destroy your local flock camera
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that that in itself is being run for? The purpose
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that ducifer just stated Sorry are you to say
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like What to try to promote other other brands?
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Well, I mean well That's funny that I don't know
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actually he was saying he's saying that it's
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to that's funny Maybe it is being it's being
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that's an op being run by Motorola That's really
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funny. No, I think ducifer is saying that it's
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being run by Who I don't know whatever set of
21:56
reptiles such that oh, it's gonna allow for oh,
22:00
there's gonna be special legislation There's
22:02
gonna be this in this past so that like now these
22:04
are specialty crimes that carry massive fines.
22:08
And it'll make it impossible to touch this infrastructure.
22:13
Yeah, I don't think so. I think people are generally
22:16
just upset. Right. And and I'm not advocating
22:21
for just going out. I think we're not quite to
22:23
the point of, you know, just ripping down cameras
22:26
or, you know, destroying infrastructure. And
22:29
I think it does kind of harm our cause to a point
22:33
where, you know, Where you're saying? Yeah, there
22:36
might be legislation. There was actually a story
22:38
out of it was in Claremont County Well, what
22:42
is this Union Township? I think which state this
22:46
was But the guy the guy a grand jury failed to
22:49
indict him for cutting down cameras Almost like
22:53
a jury nullification But you know, it's already
22:57
a felony down here in Idaho the Flock intentionally
23:03
sets the value at $1 ,500 to replace them and
23:05
at the $1 ,500. So that is a felony. So that
23:08
is, so that's a felony. Um, so there's already
23:11
strict laws against it. They may try to push
23:14
something else. I hope they just get rid of them,
23:15
right? That would be the solution would be to
23:18
legislate, to get rid of them, to ban them, to
23:21
stand for the constitution and the fourth amendment,
23:23
not to, you know, Not funny, Tyler. Yeah, I mean
23:30
we have some interest. There seems to be some
23:31
interest to do something and I'm hoping that
23:34
they do the right thing and realize that you
23:36
can't. You can't fix this. There's no. There's
23:39
no safe way to implement this. I have a comment
23:43
and then a question. First, I think, unfortunately,
23:46
I don't think there's any hope on this. I really
23:48
don't. Now, I'm a pessimist by trade, and I usually
23:51
win because of that. But I think what they'll
23:54
do is go the opposite direction. And it's only
23:57
a matter of time before, even at the federal
23:59
level, they will classify it as an act of terror.
24:01
You will be labeled a domestic terrorist if you
24:04
touch any of these surveillance systems, anything.
24:07
Because if there's one thing we know about the...
24:10
Yeah, yeah, and it's so I mean that's not an
24:12
op that's not a Psy op that's just Do you notice
24:15
things? To have you paid attention to the last
24:18
I don't know 10 ,000 years of how the government
24:21
works But especially the last hundred years now
24:23
the technology has made it possible for them
24:25
to insert themselves into every single minute
24:27
of every day of our lives You know, that's that's
24:30
one of the big differences between I guess modern
24:33
history or modern life and the last 10 ,000 you
24:37
know, years of history, is now the government
24:39
really has the tools to do this to us. So I think
24:43
it's only a matter of time before, yeah, you're
24:45
now you're a domestic terrorist, just like they've
24:47
done with everything else. It's interesting,
24:48
because, you know, every time, and I think a
24:51
lot of people don't realize any law or even,
24:56
you know, just, you know, penalties, but everything
24:59
the government does bears the full weight of
25:01
the government. And that's the exact position
25:03
that that that one lady we're talking about stealing
25:05
a stealing a box, right? They shouldn't even
25:08
steal Amazon box, but the government goes in
25:10
with their full weight of their flock cameras
25:12
and says you did this 100%. And so and so yeah,
25:17
I mean, hopefully they don't come. Hopefully
25:19
they don't come out with, you know, not hopefully
25:21
that they don't come out with a law saying it's
25:23
terrorism to do this. But I think it's terrorism
25:25
to put the cameras up to start with. I think
25:27
it's terrorism on the people, you know. Sure,
25:31
with tyranny, but again, we're beating what's
25:34
basically a dead horse. We're like, what? We're
25:37
1 % of the population that actually cares. There's
25:40
50 % that pay lip service. There's maybe, I don't
25:43
know, 20 % that do slightly more of the lip service.
25:45
And then there's like 1 % of us that are like,
25:47
yeah, we could actually maybe do something about
25:50
this. I don't want to be on the list. It only
25:53
took 3 % for the American Revolution. Sure, but
25:57
hey, I mean you're not wrong and I think a movement
26:00
can be you know Things can be more effective
26:01
than people think but it can feel pretty lonely
26:05
So then my question is Which I actually just
26:11
forgot because we ran down a couple other trails
26:13
damn it it was a damn good question You'd think
26:15
about it Well, you you you you ponder it if you'd
26:19
like it was something to do with Idaho and the
26:21
flock stuff and it was actually gonna bring it
26:23
back home here, but Damn, he was going to land
26:26
the plane and now we just have to do a hold.
26:27
I was. Yeah. He had me circle around the runway
26:32
a couple of times and then I ran out of fuel
26:33
and I crashed and burned. Thanks. The ground
26:35
proximity warning system is going off. What should
26:37
we do? Maintain the holding pattern that Claremont
26:42
County, by the way, is in Ohio. You were thinking
26:44
of, I think, Tyler. Oh, yeah. Cincinnati area.
26:46
Yeah. So let's play while Paul is considering
26:49
trying to remember what his amazing question
26:51
was. Oh, I remember. I remember one of the things
26:54
was kind of back to the terrorism thing. When
26:57
Tyler mentioned the full weight and force of
26:59
the state, one of the other things I wanted to
27:01
mention is that if you want to really feel the
27:04
full weight and force of the state, you just
27:06
make an attack on them or a perceived attack.
27:10
So like the fellow who smashed a couple of windows
27:12
at the Kootenai County building. They ring them
27:15
up for domestic terror. That's a Ryan McClintock
27:17
I don't know if you saw any of this Yeah, rather
27:19
when it was out back and I think about April.
27:20
I guess I'll go arrest Bob Norris my fucking
27:22
soul Did you see any of that story and the guy
27:24
took a baseball bat? I've seen some of it because
27:26
I've done some videos with Dan Wilson. So I've
27:30
heard some okay. I'm not super Educated on the
27:35
topic, but I know I know that it happened Yeah,
27:38
well, you don't need to be for what we're discussing.
27:40
Basically, the concept is that a citizen, whether
27:42
they're in their right mind or not, makes an
27:45
attack on the government, any branch of government,
27:48
perceived or real attack, it doesn't matter.
27:50
The state will always, that's when you really
27:52
feel the full force of them. So with this issue
27:55
with the cameras, with the security system, that's
27:58
why I'm saying, yeah, it's a matter of time before
28:00
we go from being felons to domestic terrorists.
28:03
And either way, They're not happy when we touch
28:06
their toes. I'm sure we're probably they make
28:08
us pay for Of course we are For your work with
28:12
the flock we are for all the memes we post. I
28:15
mean, you know, we're We're enemies of each of
28:18
us has a fed boy. I guarantee it. Oh, well what
28:21
I just saw was the there was this case it was
28:25
I can't remember her name, but the in It was
28:28
in New York. She was threatening to like destroy
28:31
the New York like the state house and but the
28:36
but the FBI started talking to her in chats and
28:40
then like coaxed her into wanting to do this
28:43
there's like pictures of of them have like pictures
28:46
of her at Home Depot that they took like standing
28:48
over her at the checkout stand because they drove
28:50
her to Home Depot to buy ingredients for for
28:53
an inert bomb This is Tyler you're talking about
28:57
Jessica Bowie from Albany and she was Arrested
29:01
like but the Isis inspired plot against the New
29:03
York State Capitol in Albany. Is that who you're
29:05
talking about? Yeah, yeah the exactly that but
29:09
but what's funny is is it was all it was all
29:12
the FBI the FBI holder held her hand through
29:14
the whole thing It's like the definition of an
29:17
entrapment. Yep. There's a name for it. The phenomenon
29:20
is called the six -week cycle And it happens
29:23
all the time and we've covered it on this program
29:25
and not in a while They'll they'll find some
29:27
18 year old kid with a bad mustache and they'll
29:30
they'll sit they'll have operatives talking to
29:31
him for a year and the operatives will walk him
29:33
through buying Explosives and then at the last
29:36
second they'll tackle him and zip tie him and
29:38
show how they thwarted it. That's called the
29:40
six -week cycle It's well documented. Yep Because,
29:44
ladies and gentlemen, we got him. We got him.
29:47
They arrest that lady. And then what was funny
29:50
is the FBI goes up there, and they're like, there's
29:53
this clip, and it's the, whoever is in charge
29:56
of that FBI office, and he's like... He's up
29:59
there. He's like, yeah, and those cameras what
30:01
are the name of them again? They oh flock those
30:04
cameras really helped us in this investigation
30:06
But it's like they told the person they told
30:08
the person to meet them and when when they met
30:10
them They they like she got out of the car and
30:12
they tackled her, you know We got her we caught
30:16
her with the flock cameras But like that in a
30:21
nutshell lady up You should set this lady up.
30:25
Behold your government. This is how it behaves.
30:27
It makes me think of the plot to kidnap the Michigan
30:30
governor back in 2020, Whitmer. Gretchen Hitler,
30:33
yeah. Yeah, Gretchen Hitler. That was a big thing
30:37
back in, I think it was October of 2020. But
30:40
it turns out it was all the fucking FBI putting
30:42
it together. A couple of people who were pretty
30:45
pissed off about... living under a tyrant who
30:47
started to mumble about it. And the FBI gets
30:50
involved and goes, hey, you know what we should
30:51
do? Let's go kidnap the governor. And they're
30:54
like, well, we hadn't thought of that. But let's
30:56
do it. OK. And then they all get their asses
30:59
thrown in jail. Yeah. This is from are you going
31:02
to I got it right here. I want to tell you can
31:04
hear this is from episode three of this program
31:06
entitled. Sorry, excuse me, titled flame sword
31:09
from April 2024. The shocking arrest of an 18
31:14
year old in Coeur d 'Alene for allegedly planning
31:17
terrorist attacks in the name of ISIS. Alexander
31:20
Mercurio pleaded not guilty to providing material
31:23
support to ISIS in a federal courtroom today.
31:26
He is now set to go to trial at the end of May.
31:29
Alexander Mercurio was ar for allegedly planning
31:33
to Messages uncovered by the FBI show Mercurio
31:41
allegedly planned to use weapons, including firearms,
31:45
knives and a flame sword to kill as many people
31:48
as possible. An indictment filed in this case
31:51
says Mercurio is charged with attempting to provide
31:54
material support to a designated foreign terrorist
31:57
organization. He pleaded not guilty to this and
32:00
denied the criminal forfeiture allegation, which
32:03
means he does not want the court to seize his
32:05
property if convicted. Coeur d 'Alene Mayor Jim
32:10
Hammond says the 18 year olds alleged plans are
32:13
not tolerated in the community Not tolerated
32:17
living in North, Idaho Crazy to think that they
32:21
could get any sympathy from anybody else Regarding
32:25
Isis or any support for any kind of similar organization?
32:30
All right. All right. We got it's good cause
32:33
Yeah, but uh the other one I was gonna refer
32:35
to was a few years further back was well when
32:38
they Arrested a bunch of quote -unquote proud
32:40
boys who were gonna disrupt a pride event Which
32:44
is actually kind of ironic when you think about
32:46
it the proud boys disrupting a pride event in
32:49
Coeur d 'Alene and they arrested a box truck
32:54
full of them and it turns out a bunch of them
32:56
were Not real people either If anybody thinks
33:01
that we're safe up here in North Idaho, no. Coeur
33:04
d 'Alene, Cooney County is a spot, man, where
33:06
the feds hang out. The feds absolutely hang out
33:09
here in North Idaho. We're a hot spot on the
33:11
map, guarantee it. But Tyler knows about that,
33:13
too. Yeah, sorry. I lost you guys for a second.
33:16
I had to refresh. Yeah, it's real interesting,
33:21
right? Like, I don't understand. Is Isis real,
33:25
or is Isis just the FBI? That's a fair and interesting
33:30
question. No, no, the CIA. Isis is the CIA. It
33:35
is pretty wild. All right, let's do a couple
33:37
more on the flock thing. This, before I want
33:39
to sort of, we'll land the plane with the, what's
33:43
going on in your hometown. Because I got questions
33:44
for Tyler. Yeah, go right ahead. Yeah, we can
33:47
play more clips anytime if you got them, go.
33:50
Well, I'm really I'm rolling the tape back actually
33:53
a little bit when I where I kind of wanted to
33:55
start this episode Which was Tyler you're doing
33:59
the D flock thing. You're the main man behind
34:01
it How did that come about because I don't know
34:05
how did this become your life? Yeah Yeah, how
34:07
does Tyler Kane start doing D flock, Idaho? How
34:10
and why so D flock Idaho wasn't a thing and so
34:14
started in April, so it's pretty relatively new
34:18
page I was never super politically involved.
34:24
Kind of going back to the beginning is our city
34:28
here in Wilder decided to try to do this firearms
34:33
ordinance. It actually kind of goes back before
34:36
that. So I went and I paid my water bill a day
34:41
late. and they tacked a $20 late fee on it. But
34:47
instead of just charging it to like the next
34:49
bill, they called me and said, oh, you paid your
34:52
water bill, but we're gonna come shut your water
34:55
off over a $20 late fee. And I was like, you're
34:59
threatening me. Anyways, it was like, I'm like,
35:01
why are you calling me doing this rude threatening?
35:04
phone call, like, just charge me it next time.
35:07
But anyways, after that, I started paying kind
35:09
of close attention to what they were doing in
35:11
the city. And then they started to try to pass
35:13
this no discharge of firearms ordinance. I don't
35:16
know what theirs originally was. But in 2017,
35:18
when the constitutional carry took effect in
35:21
Idaho, their law, their ordinance became illegal.
35:27
And so they instead of fixing it, they just removed
35:29
it completely. And so what that that so the city
35:33
for almost for nine, almost 10 years, didn't
35:35
have, uh, no discharge of firearms ordinance
35:39
within the city. It's already addressed, you
35:42
know, at a state level, at a county level, but
35:44
the city decided they needed to be involved in
35:46
this. Um, even though they, yeah, they needed,
35:50
they need a metal in it, even though they've,
35:52
you know, everyone's been fine and safe for nine
35:54
years. And so they go to make this ordinance
35:58
and it was so restrictive that it would have
35:59
banned a nerf gun. Like it literally would have,
36:02
sorry, actually I went down to the city hall
36:04
and I started talking and I'm like, it would
36:05
ban a nerf gun. And she's like, no, it would
36:07
ban the discharge of a nerf gun. And I'm like,
36:09
you're seriously, you're seriously like, you're
36:11
okay with the, you're okay with this? Like, we're
36:14
going to make, we're going to make children criminals
36:16
now, you know? Hey, wait, you've just banned
36:18
cars. No, no, no, that's okay. We've just banned
36:20
the driving of cars. Well, how do I get it out
36:22
of my driveway? Oh, that's on you boo. Restrictive.
36:27
Restrictive. It's so, um, I'm like, I'm like,
36:30
what the heck? And so, uh, I went into the community
36:34
pages and I'm like, Hey, like, why are we trying
36:36
to pass this ordinance? Like we need to do something.
36:39
Um, and they actually, they tabled that for awhile.
36:42
Um, but anyways, around that time, so around
36:44
the beginning of the year, there was a story
36:46
from Idaho new six about flock cameras in Caldwell.
36:49
And I was like, wow those are interesting and
36:52
i did just you know blanket just a little bit
36:54
of research more of like a whomf you know and
36:57
uh didn't think about it again and then i i started
37:00
noticing him in caldwell and and but one day
37:02
all of a sudden i noticed one in wilder and and
37:05
if you've seen like flock cameras and stuff like
37:07
once you see one you can't unsee it it's like
37:09
the matrix in that way and so um and once they
37:14
see you They can't unsee you. Oh, don't worry.
37:17
No, they're only seeing your license plate. They
37:18
just need to get a better picture of your face.
37:20
Right. Right. Right. And then they keep the data
37:24
safe and they use it only for non nefarious purposes.
37:28
For seven days. Fox sells the data to like...
37:32
to private companies so they'll sell it to whoever
37:35
buys it from them so they can so private companies
37:37
can tell they could tell the where the origination
37:40
is so they have a whole page dedicated to traffic
37:43
it's like traffic uh and analytics or something
37:46
and so they'll give they'll sell it's uh it's
37:50
non uh what is it like where they strip it of
37:53
data they they're of identifiable information
37:56
they'll they say so they say so they say but
37:59
they can tell like oh i had customers driving
38:01
from you know, wilder to Caldwell to come buy
38:05
my whatever they, whatever you want to go buy.
38:09
So it's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Flock selling
38:11
day selling our data. Inconceivable. Quadruple
38:17
dipping those bastards. They get paid on the
38:19
contracts. They get paid on the hardware. They
38:21
get paid on the maintenance. They get paid on
38:22
the software. They get paid to provide the data.
38:26
that they want that the government wants, and
38:28
they get to sell data to private companies as
38:31
well. Shit, that's like quintuple sextuple dipping.
38:35
Yeah, sort of. Do you want to hear a quick clip
38:37
where we hear from a little bit from the founder
38:39
of this apparatus before Tyler continues? Well,
38:43
in a sec, I have another question. Is your Tyler
38:45
is your town because it is reminiscent of some
38:48
of the smaller towns up here that you would that
38:50
you would think would be like bastions of die
38:53
hard. you know, leave us the fuck alone attitude
38:55
because they're more in more rural Idaho and
38:57
they're smaller towns. Wilder. I said they just,
39:00
they just turn out to be run by leftist boomers.
39:03
Is that wilder? Is that why you guys are dealing
39:05
with this? Um, you know, what's, I don't even
39:09
know that I think so. 65 people voted in the
39:13
last city election. Wow. 65? 65. That's it. Out
39:18
of 1700. Out of, yeah. And there's, there's,
39:21
there's a, we have a large Hispanic population.
39:25
Um, and, and, you know, like migrant, where's
39:28
migrant workers and stuff that come through.
39:30
Um, and so I don't, I don't, there's only like
39:33
400, there's only like 400 and uh, 60 registered
39:38
voters. So overall it's just low numbers across
39:41
the board. Um, people aren't very politically
39:44
involved and I think that's what's allowed us
39:46
to get here. We have a, we have an ordinance
39:48
here for, uh, yard sales. It's a misdemeanor.
39:53
If I put, if so, okay, I have to wake up two
39:56
days before I have to go down to city hall. I
39:59
have to give them $5 for a yard sale permit and
40:05
then come home. and then wait my two days, put
40:08
my sign up, I have to put the sign up in my front
40:11
yard. And then I can have my yard sale. And I
40:15
can only do that three times a year. What? OK,
40:19
wait, wait, wait. So you have to have a permit.
40:21
They only give you three permits a year. So you're
40:23
up to three yard sales a year. You got to give
40:26
them two days notice. You have to have a permit.
40:28
You get to pay for the permit. More than three
40:30
items is considered a yard sale. Three items.
40:34
Whoa. So, so, well, I wait, hold on though. We've
40:37
got to fix it. Tyler, every, so what you need
40:39
to do and you make it last for three weeks and
40:43
you just put out three items a day or what you
40:46
could do is put, put out a, whatever you want
40:49
to put out and then just market is free. OBO
40:52
C owner. And then you negotiate in the garage.
40:56
Hey, I'm not selling these. They're free. The
40:59
thing is, you know, I'm taking donations. It
41:02
goes back to that full weight of the government.
41:04
So it's, it's a misdemeanor. So if you don't
41:06
hit all of those requirements, it's a misdemeanor
41:09
and up to I think $500 fine. And people have
41:13
just allowed these, you know, these things, it's
41:16
the same thing as the, you know, if people hadn't
41:18
shown up against the, the discharge of a nerf
41:21
gun ordinance, you know, they would have passed
41:24
that. And, um, it would have banned construction
41:27
in this city cause it didn't allow construction
41:30
like. Like the nail guns, they would have banned
41:33
a pneumatic nail gun. The way it was wrote. I
41:37
don't know if you've ever seen that. The best
41:38
way to build a vibrant community is to completely
41:41
make it illegal to construct anything. Yes, excellent.
41:44
Well done, everyone. And you know what we hate,
41:47
apparently? Children. You know what we hate even
41:49
more? Children having fun. No Nerf guns. Fuck
41:52
you. And no new homes. And so it just seems to
41:57
be there's, you know, and I think a lot of these
41:59
councils operate that way is they're just like
42:01
rubber stamp factories and no one gets involved
42:05
in the local politics and the people that are
42:08
doing it are the people that really shouldn't
42:10
be. Well, but that's the nature of it right there.
42:14
I apologize for interrupting you, Tyler, but
42:16
I want to throw it out there. That is the nature
42:18
of the state. And that is why I'm an anarchist.
42:20
You've hit it on the head is because the people
42:22
who get involved initially anyways and who are
42:25
the meddlers and who take the take the levers
42:27
of power they are the ones who absolutely should
42:29
be nowhere fucking near it everybody else we're
42:32
busy living our lives right providing for our
42:34
families doing our things leaving people alone
42:36
like you're supposed to do so any every town
42:40
every county every state they're like this the
42:43
most people just want to live their lives they
42:46
don't care Then until something makes them care
42:49
like in your guys's case the gun ordinance finally
42:51
finally touches enough of a nerve We're just
42:54
enough people are like, oh, okay. I am upset
42:57
about this But you know for 20 years we didn't
42:59
care and the same people got to make all these
43:01
laws and now it's too late Because it's really
43:05
hard to repeal really hard to repeal laws All
43:10
these laws just stack right so we end up we end
43:13
up going you know Every time we do a law, there's
43:16
just another law behind it, and we just stack
43:17
and stack and stack and stack and stack. And
43:19
people will also come at you with like, well,
43:21
it doesn't matter. They don't enforce most of
43:23
them anyways. Well, until they do. And the moment
43:26
they want to, they can. And then we go back to
43:29
the full force and weight of the government.
43:32
I was just reflecting on the irony of collecting
43:36
coins for items, for the three items that you
43:39
sell. at that yard sale and those coins having
43:43
the word Liberty printed on them. Somehow like
43:46
when this is a question we ask on the on this
43:48
program a lot like is Liberty of value for all
43:51
of the the the reasons that one somebody who
43:54
is for this type of thing might give you for
43:57
why yes, why there was implemented, we'll see
43:59
there was this one yard sale, where they were
44:01
selling, you know, COVID written, blah, blah,
44:04
blah. And then all these people get like what
44:05
whatever reason they would give you for why these
44:08
regulations that we need to manage the dissemination
44:11
of these types of yard sales is liberty of value.
44:16
Well, yes, that's just a value that almost no
44:18
one possesses truly and even the people who think
44:20
they do and espouse it Most of them don't possess
44:22
it. It's why I argue with conservatives as much
44:24
as I do Neo liberals and conservatives have their
44:28
own bugaboos. Yeah, you know like I'm I hate
44:31
the government But don't you take away my Medicare
44:34
my Social Security and I super duper back the
44:36
blue also Pot should be illegal. In fact, every
44:40
drug I don't like should be illegal, but alcohol
44:43
and Oxycontin are okay My flavor of boot leather
44:46
is the best. Here is, this is now, this has of
44:51
course become a big national thing. Motorola,
44:55
not so much. Flock, definitely. Here is CBS,
44:58
the national. Network doing an interview with
45:01
flocks founder. It's this is very truncated and
45:03
I didn't do this editing This is how they edited
45:05
it turning now to the latest twist in the controversy
45:08
over the surveillance company flock Nationwide
45:11
it has more than 120 ,000 cameras used by more
45:13
than 6 ,000 law enforcement agencies But there
45:16
have been claims that these license plate readers
45:18
may have been misused by some officers for stock
45:21
there have been claims Claims just claims including
45:25
for stocking Flock CEO Garrett Langley just announced
45:29
new safety measures. He sat down with CBS's Anna
45:31
Schechter for his very first network TV interview
45:34
about the changes. Your license plate is registered
45:38
as stolen license plates in our system. Are you
45:40
serious? Dozens of drivers nationwide say they're
45:43
being unfairly pulled over, some even at gunpoint.
45:46
Keep your hands above your head. Due to alleged
45:48
misuse of flock safety's license plate readers,
45:50
and it's not just mistakes causing concern. This
45:53
week, three Georgia police officers were added
45:55
to a growing list of cops accused of misusing
45:58
the camera technology to allegedly stalk citizens,
46:01
including ex wives and girlfriends. I don't think
46:04
that created. Police abuse. I mean, can you put
46:07
yourself in those women's shoes? No, it's horrible
46:10
and I apologize. Did you take enough responsibility?
46:14
I got something for this. Hold on. I got something
46:18
for this. Where are you? Where are you? Where
46:20
are you? There you are. Hey, so women are being
46:23
stalked and dudes are getting held at gunpoint
46:26
and the system is making mistakes, but also it
46:30
allows people with an authority complex to have
46:33
even more authority. What do you have to say
46:35
about that? and to all those affected i want
46:37
to say we are deeply sorry we're sorry we're
46:45
sorry no it's horrible and i apologize that's
46:52
definitely your soundboard material i heard apologize
46:54
i heard a thing where the uh you know someone
46:58
someone had told me once they were saying that
47:00
why are we giving these these the stocking tool
47:03
to the group of people that has the highest rate
47:06
of domestic violence. Yes, I was going to bring
47:10
it up. I'm so glad you did, Tyler. Thank you.
47:12
Thank you. Thank you. Laughs in 42%. No, it's
47:18
horrible. And that's just the cases we know.
47:20
Well, when questioned, officer fill in the blank
47:24
said the following. No, it's horrible and I apologize.
47:27
Did you take enough responsibility? I would never
47:31
ever beat my wife, but I also won't stop all
47:34
of my buddies from beating theirs. And I would
47:36
never tattle on them because we're a brotherhood.
47:40
Enough responsibility soon enough? I think hindsight
47:43
is a brutal tool. Of course, we could have done
47:47
more earlier and we listen. and we learn, and
47:51
we'll continue to be born. In response, CEO Garrett
47:54
Langley says he is rolling out new safety measures,
47:57
including cutting data storage time from 30 days
47:59
to seven. I thought he was going to say, including
48:01
cutting down flock cameras. No, no, that would,
48:04
unless you, those are Motorola employees running
48:06
an op on behalf of their business model. Including
48:09
cutting data storage time from 30 days to seven.
48:12
And in January, Flock will require all of its
48:14
roughly 6 ,000 law enforcement agency clients
48:17
to opt in to what's called audit assistance,
48:19
which flags any potential police misuse. Why
48:22
didn't you make a requirement? They're going
48:25
to investigate themselves. And what do you think
48:27
they're going to find themselves? Don't worry.
48:31
Only seven days instead of 31 now to misuse your
48:34
data. We only have a week, so we got to be a
48:36
little more a little more motivated and a little
48:38
less lazy to misuse your data. Don't worry, though.
48:40
You're in good hands. Why don't you make a requirement
48:42
as soon as you created the technology? We've
48:44
evolved there. We've always said we want local
48:47
control. I think it's up to our elected officials
48:49
to decide how long is this data retained? No,
48:52
it isn't. Wait, did you see what he just did?
48:54
He just did two things. He didn't answer the
48:57
question, and so he deflected. Well, they edited
49:00
it so heavily we really don't know how he answered
49:02
it. He said, well, what we really want is for
49:05
the locals to have control. So it was a brilliant
49:09
deflection. Yeah. Well, but we don't local reptiles.
49:12
They write and they don't. You can tell it's
49:14
such it's so heavily edited. We don't we don't
49:16
actually have any sense of how we actually answered
49:18
the question. But the notion of like the the
49:22
local officials. I think it's up to our elected
49:25
officials to decide the thing that they're doing
49:28
right now. And Flock is pushing for legislation.
49:30
But when they're pushing for legislation and
49:33
it's exactly what's happened here in Idaho. They're
49:36
pushing for legislation because by legislating
49:39
it, it allows it allows it. So with the I know
49:43
code 14, um, 49, 1432, um, is the law that we
49:48
have right now, but it expressly allows ALPR
49:51
and it puts just terrible, terrible. It doesn't
49:55
even really do anything as far as, um, restricting
49:58
it, or it has absolutely no real enforceable
50:02
punishment, um, for misuse, but. But by legislating,
50:07
it allows it. And so what we've seen since because
50:09
that came in effect in June of or July of twenty
50:13
six or twenty five. And so since twenty five,
50:16
these have exploded across the state because
50:18
there's a law saying you can do this. And so
50:22
it does two things. It it makes it almost impossible
50:25
to challenge legally. And and this might be more
50:29
important, especially for the for the long run.
50:32
It gives. perceived legitimacy. So now if you
50:39
are like us, and you, as usual, notice things,
50:43
question things, especially question authority,
50:47
well now we are the pariahs, we're the outsiders,
50:49
because most of the NPCs who live on this planet
50:52
Earth and who and who use legality as the bar
50:55
or the litmus test for morality, well now it's
50:58
okay, it's legitimate, hey, it's legal. So what
51:00
are you guys belly -aching about? It's legal.
51:02
The Idaho State Supreme, you know, I'm sure somebody
51:04
will take a case to the Idaho Supreme Court at
51:06
some point. It might even go all the way national,
51:08
but it'll get to the Idaho Supreme Court and
51:10
they'll be like, well, hey, it's been legislated.
51:12
It's written in here. It's legal. And so from
51:16
then on, you alienate those of us leftover who
51:19
still will fight the fight, but you make it legitimate
51:22
in everybody else's minds. And then it becomes
51:25
impossible to challenge. I heard a quote the
51:28
other day, um, and it hasn't been released yet,
51:31
but it's, um, you can't legislate morality. Correct.
51:35
You literally can't. And, and, and I think, you
51:38
know, flock cameras, it's 100 % an immoral thing
51:41
to do to just spy on everyone and track everyone
51:44
as they go about their travels. Um, and, and
51:47
that's where, like the same thing where we were
51:49
saying before, where, um, you know, tyranny is
51:52
just a software patch away. There's really no
51:54
way to just safely do this. They just need to
51:57
go. We'll go this way because we knew it was
52:01
going to happen. I'm going to bring it up first.
52:03
I win. I win the race. Imagine what would have
52:06
happened just six years ago, just six years ago
52:10
during the 2020 bullshit where the state showed
52:13
us, they tipped their hand and showed us what
52:16
they were willing to do at all levels, at all
52:18
levels, federal, state, county, city on down.
52:20
what they were willing to do to us. Imagine what
52:24
they could have done with this network that now
52:27
exists and is growing. Yeah, there was a huge
52:30
fight in Kentucky where they were there was like
52:32
a church that had services during 2020 during
52:35
COVID and the pastors like we're going to have
52:38
these even with a lockdown. And the governor
52:43
sent the the state police to go write down license
52:47
plate numbers. So it's this funny equivalency
52:50
where it's like, okay, we're saying we're just
52:52
reading license plates, but. license plates contain
52:55
identifiable information not to you and me we're
52:58
not allowed to search you know what a what a
53:00
license plate is tied to but but they have the
53:03
system right there in front of them you know
53:05
they're the ones they're the watchers they're
53:06
the ones that have access to you know who's it
53:09
registered to who's it whatever and so they wrote
53:11
down all these license plates and then they sent
53:13
them quarantine notices they gave all that information
53:16
to the health departments and and gave the people
53:19
that were attending these church services Yeah,
53:22
the quarantine notices and so we've already there's
53:25
a reason why they force us to register our vehicles
53:27
It's it's a two. It's another two -pronged attack.
53:31
It's revenue. It's a revenue scheme. It's rent
53:32
-seeking It's a revenue scheme and it's so they
53:38
can track us Because like you said everything
53:40
they want to know about us All they got to do
53:42
is run our plates see our driver's license see
53:44
our carry permits see it where we live All kinds
53:47
of stuff, but I'll do you one better It wasn't
53:50
even in just Kentucky. Obviously, we know it
53:52
was a lot of places this happened, but it was
53:53
right in our own backyard. I mean, Moscow, Idaho
53:56
was ground zero for the fight of church versus
53:59
city. That was ground zero in Idaho. Remember,
54:02
that was a big kerfuffle. One of the main more
54:05
conservative churches in Moscow made a lot of
54:08
noise because they met in the parking lot and
54:10
sang hymns. And the mayor and the city council
54:12
and the cops all basically, well, the mayor didn't
54:14
show up because he won't do his own dirty work.
54:17
You know, out came the cops, sighting people,
54:20
and attempting to sight people. That was right
54:22
here in supposed Blood Red, Idaho. They think
54:25
they own us. That's the truth. They think they
54:27
own us. They think we're a flock and we are chattel.
54:29
They're the leaders and the officials make the
54:32
decisions. They didn't send any of their phony
54:35
baloney health apparatus to the parking lot of
54:37
Home Depot. Why is that? That place never stopped
54:39
operating. The whole notion of a lockdown is
54:42
bull crap to begin with. There was never any
54:43
lockdown. There was just targeted assaults by
54:46
the leader, leader, leaders against a citizenry
54:49
that is supposed to be free. It says liberty
54:50
on our coins. But in point of fact, we are not.
54:54
Yeah, but you know what and we had this conversation
54:56
before this is a little bit of the Historical
54:59
fact the first coinage that we ever minted as
55:01
a country was so I say when I say we I mean America
55:03
We should have stuck to that because that was
55:06
the best it literally said mind your business
55:09
That was what was on the first coinage. Mind
55:12
your business. It was awesome. If you've never
55:14
seen that, Tyler, that's the... Well, you looked
55:15
it up on the show. I already knew it. The what
55:17
coin? You already knew. The what coin? I'm trying
55:20
to remember the name of it. The Fugio. Fugio
55:23
Scent. Google image the Fugio Scent. Yeah, it's
55:26
brilliant. Fugio Scent. Yeah. That's right. It
55:29
is stamped right on it. Mind your business. Just
55:32
so there is the fact that we got rid of that
55:34
man What says a lot? There is the of course the
55:38
difference between you heard earlier in the clip
55:40
with us or do suffer and Adam curry that were
55:42
like Oh, well, you know your you they people
55:44
go and they post about it on Instagram There's
55:46
the true information where they people put up
55:48
voluntarily the Amazon the ring cameras all over
55:51
their houses like yeah Well, but there's still
55:53
there is a distinction because we as usual with
55:56
all of the quote services that are we are being
55:59
told to hold still while they are thrust upon
56:01
us. We can't opt out of the ALPRs. There's no
56:04
opt out. Well, everybody opts in, man. Everyone
56:06
has a phone. I know. But there's still a distinction.
56:09
You can't opt out. I can leave my phone at home.
56:13
I can smash my phone if I want to smash. If I
56:16
decide I'm out. And Tyler, same thing. Same thing,
56:19
Tyler. You can leave your phone at home. You
56:20
can turn it off. You can change plans. You can
56:23
change carriers. You can change the hardware.
56:26
You also can jailbreak your phone if you know
56:28
who to do. You know, there's lots of different
56:29
ways you can mitigate the risk, eliminate the
56:33
risk or fully embrace the risk. But you have
56:36
choices. And also you can damage your phone,
56:40
whether accidentally or otherwise, you can buy
56:42
it and then break it in half. That's not a felony.
56:45
So, yeah, my phone is watching me now. There's
56:48
a whole company. Oh, yeah. And I'm sure that's
56:49
going to become a bigger and bigger thing. Now
56:51
new from Motorola, a privacy phone. So because
56:58
we sort of didn't let him finish, I want to finish
57:00
here and how Tyler, so Tyler is fighting his,
57:03
his township here where they first try to outlaw
57:06
Nerf guns. Then they kind of pseudo outlaw yard
57:10
sales. Oh, excuse me. You're right. My bad, my
57:13
bad. No, it's important. It's a good distinction.
57:16
You can possess as many nerf guns as you want.
57:20
You have one of those like secret compartments
57:22
that like comes up from behind your headboard
57:24
is as much a nerf guns. It's like lit up by the
57:27
LED lighting. Well, the question is what happens
57:30
if they catch you with intent to distribute said
57:33
nerf guns? Like if you hand them out to your
57:35
kids for a birthday party, then what happens?
57:39
I don't know. So so they so they did that that
57:42
firearms ordinance. We got that stopped. And
57:46
then, yeah, so I noticed the cameras and called
57:48
while I'd read that story. I was driving through
57:50
town one day, I saw a flock camera. So I immediately
57:52
go down to the police or our city so small, the
57:55
city hall and the police stations, one building.
57:58
And I go in there and I go up to the police chief
58:00
and I said, I said, hey, who, who put these in?
58:04
Cause I like, I didn't even know who put them
58:05
in, you know? And he's like, oh, oh, me and the
58:08
mayor. And I'm like, like, where was the council
58:11
meeting? And he's like, there wasn't one. And
58:14
so that's the thing we're talking about. Yeah.
58:16
There was no, you know, there, there was no meeting.
58:18
So they, they hit into the budget they put, um,
58:20
and they still did it wrong, but they put a $10
58:22
,000 line item for equipment capital outlay.
58:25
Um, That's all they put for the capital. Outlay
58:28
means like you're purchasing something. So if
58:30
you like bought a camera and then you kept it
58:32
on like your, your, you know, property books,
58:35
like that would be an acceptable use. But with
58:37
flock, you don't even own the equipment. You
58:39
don't own the hardware, the software. Um, you
58:42
don't even really own the data. You just own
58:44
the ability to access said data. Um, but, uh,
58:49
so he's like, Oh, me and the mayor approved this.
58:52
And I'm like, what the heck? Uh, And so that's
58:56
when I, I got a ton. Well, and this is, so here's
58:59
what happened actually, uh, from there I started
59:01
going, I went on the community page and I got
59:03
a bunch of people riled up going to, to come
59:05
to the council meeting and it was a, it was packed
59:09
like standing room only. Um, I mean, it's not
59:11
a huge room, but, um, you know, there was probably
59:14
30 people there. Maybe. So like half of the registered
59:18
voters showed up half of the people that voted.
59:20
Yeah. Barack Obama. Eat your heart out. Here's
59:24
a community organizer for you. Yeah. You think
59:27
you could fill a stadium. Yeah. So, um, well
59:31
I had the twin falls meeting. I got that one
59:34
packed too. Um, but anyway, we're not making
59:37
fun of you by the way. That probably felt like
59:39
you were making fun of you. Like good job, dude.
59:42
No, so and that's the thing. I mean, I don't
59:45
know what I'm doing. So you're like, oh, a community
59:47
organizer. Like I've never been involved in anything
59:49
like this before. We would never use that term
59:51
for someone we like, Tyler. I just started. I
59:55
just started. That's a pejorative, sir. So anyways,
1:00:02
so I get up, I get the council room packed and
1:00:04
they remove public comment. And oh, and so they
1:00:09
know what was coming. Yes. Yes, because it's
1:00:11
posted on Facebook. I was using the, I was using,
1:00:13
you know, the, um, the, like our community page.
1:00:17
And that was the moment that radicalized me.
1:00:20
I think if that had never happened, I think I
1:00:22
would have just got up there, set my point, um,
1:00:25
about, Hey, I don't like flock cameras and probably
1:00:28
left it alone. But, but they radicalized me.
1:00:33
They literally forced my hand and radicalized
1:00:35
me by removing public comment. And, and, um,
1:00:38
They did it. It's funny. I, you know, I started
1:00:41
recording that every interaction with them. Um,
1:00:44
and so like I had there at the council meeting,
1:00:47
they're like, they're saying, well, the mayor's
1:00:50
not here. And so he's, he, you know, he's the
1:00:53
one that said not to have public comment because
1:00:55
he's not here to listen. And then, but I have,
1:00:58
I had a video of the mayor, the mayor saying,
1:01:00
uh, well, it's up to the, it's up to the. Devin
1:01:05
Berg, who's the like was like the chair of the
1:01:08
council. So they're all up to him. So they're
1:01:11
all. Yeah. And they point to the next guy. You're
1:01:14
like, well, actually, it's it's our secretary.
1:01:17
She's the one who's supposed to set the agenda
1:01:19
last Wednesday. And she was so busy processing
1:01:21
yard sale permits. She forgot. Oh, yeah. Well,
1:01:24
the city attorney said we can do this. You know,
1:01:26
it's all a bunch of bull crap. Just because you
1:01:30
can, you know, doesn't mean you doesn't mean
1:01:31
you should, you know. Oh, yeah. And they all,
1:01:35
and they all back each other and they're all
1:01:36
in the same, I mean, it's a cabal. It is a cabal.
1:01:40
They behave that way. It's a complete joke. And
1:01:42
so, um, yeah, they all high five and have beers.
1:01:45
I think they, I honestly really think that, you
1:01:48
know, it's probably pretty boring typically,
1:01:51
um, to be on the council and, you know, people
1:01:53
don't show up and you guys are, they're, everyone's
1:01:55
just sitting there saying yes or no on a bunch
1:01:58
of pretty much unimportant things. Yeah, well,
1:02:02
it's usually like, should we spend this money?
1:02:03
Yes. Should we not spend this money? No, we should
1:02:07
still spend it. So no to the not spending. I
1:02:10
think once drama happens, I think they just want
1:02:12
it. I think they're like, yes, I feel important,
1:02:14
you know, because people are showing up and they're
1:02:16
mad at me yelling. And I think it's just like
1:02:19
ego stroke for them. That's a, that's a toddler
1:02:23
thing actually, which makes a lot of sense. Ego
1:02:25
toddlers. You've got big emotions. You have no
1:02:27
impulse control. You think the whole world revolves
1:02:29
around you. You're a low level narcissist or
1:02:31
sometimes a high level narcissist. A lot of it's
1:02:33
just attention seeking. Doesn't matter if it's
1:02:35
good. It doesn't matter if it's bad. They just
1:02:38
want attention. So there you are. Now you've
1:02:41
got little small tyrants in their small world
1:02:44
who are now getting the attention they crave.
1:02:47
And even if it's negative, they're happy. Like
1:02:50
you're saying Tyler that it's the reaction to
1:02:54
the engage to what they do we're like either
1:02:57
the taxing or the surveillance or all of the
1:03:00
myriad ways that we are tyrannized upon then
1:03:04
when there's a reaction from the citizenry as
1:03:07
it gets ever more ratcheted up that you know
1:03:10
to the point where like especially in 2020 where
1:03:12
it's just full -blown totalitarianism was like
1:03:14
we own every part of you know cover your face
1:03:16
or else it's like and then the citizens go like
1:03:19
At least some of us are like, yeah, man, I guess
1:03:22
I'm officially now radical, like even though
1:03:24
I haven't actually changed, but you've just kept
1:03:26
ratcheting it up. And then they get their panties
1:03:29
in a wad like, whoa, whoa, where's this reaction
1:03:31
coming from, man? We're just trying to look out
1:03:33
for your safety. And they act like there's no
1:03:35
reason in the world that there should be like
1:03:38
that. Anybody should be questioning their motives
1:03:40
or anything like what's wrong with you, citizen?
1:03:42
We're just trying to provide you services. God,
1:03:44
yeah. Just your friendly neighborhood city council
1:03:47
member trying to do what we've always done. What
1:03:49
are you so upset about? If there was ever an
1:03:51
acknowledgement of like, like, well, we understand,
1:03:55
like, you know, of course, there was something
1:03:57
we made some mistakes in 2020. So we understand
1:03:59
why now you would be skeptical of our motives
1:04:01
and our methods and stuff. But there's never
1:04:03
any preface along those lines. They're just they're
1:04:06
just fed up with us. They've had it up to here
1:04:08
with our with our radical right wing skepticism.
1:04:12
It's kind of a tactic that the I'm gonna pick
1:04:15
on them again I guess the boomers have perfected
1:04:17
really well and any of us who have parents who
1:04:18
are involved in our lives And we love them. We
1:04:20
love them, but getting boomered by our parents.
1:04:23
We all know this We all know this scheme right
1:04:25
where like they give you Your parents give you
1:04:28
something as a quote -unquote gift and it's not
1:04:30
necessarily wrapped as a gift or anything like
1:04:32
that But you know you go visit and they got this
1:04:33
stuff set aside for you and they're like, oh,
1:04:35
hey, by the way Here's this stuff I've got for
1:04:36
you I've been saving it for you and you know,
1:04:38
go ahead and take that and it's you know, like
1:04:39
an old wicker basket and a couple of like blood
1:04:43
pressure squeezy balls that have, you know, your
1:04:45
dad's insurance company printed on them. And,
1:04:48
and you're like, what? You just, you just gave
1:04:51
me your garbage. You just gave me the stuff you
1:04:53
didn't want to throw out. And if you push back
1:04:55
on it, then they're like, what? Well, what do
1:04:56
you mean? What do you mean? You don't want our
1:04:57
gift? Like, oh, we're just giving you some stuff.
1:04:59
We're just being nice. You know, it's just a
1:05:00
gesture. Why do you have to make such a thing
1:05:02
out of it? What do you, what's the pushback for?
1:05:04
There's a, yeah, there are always this again,
1:05:06
right? They're always exasperated. Ungrateful
1:05:07
kids. Always exasperated. Seemed like, you know,
1:05:12
who broke you kid? Well, yeah, really you kind
1:05:14
of did dad a little bit or or in Tyler's case
1:05:17
when the city council's like who radicalized
1:05:19
you man, and I was like me me Yeah, so so that
1:05:24
that turned into You know, I I noticed this across
1:05:28
the state where you know, it was happening in
1:05:30
a similar way and so a few of us got together
1:05:33
and I just we started to deflock, Idaho the page
1:05:36
you know from there and for a while, for a couple
1:05:40
months, it only had a couple hundred followers,
1:05:43
a few hundred followers. And then all of a sudden,
1:05:46
I don't know, I've never ran a Facebook page.
1:05:50
I've never made social media content. I've had
1:05:53
to learn literally all of this. I've never ran
1:05:57
a grassroots movement. I've never gotten people
1:06:00
politically engaged. I've literally never done
1:06:03
any of this. I'd never been to a city council
1:06:06
meeting until you know, that firearms ordinance
1:06:09
I talked about. And so all of this is, you know,
1:06:13
rapidly just kind of happened. And I've had to
1:06:17
figure out, you know, how to do records requests,
1:06:19
how to do other stuff. But essentially, that's
1:06:23
what radicalized me was just them saying, you're
1:06:26
not allowed to speak. And so it's like, why are
1:06:27
we going to put in cameras and execute, you know,
1:06:31
mass surveillance? And then we're not going to
1:06:34
allow you to speak about it. And so we need changes.
1:06:40
The cameras need to go. But honestly, even there's
1:06:43
been the last two years, it hasn't gone out of
1:06:48
committee. And that's something I'm scared of
1:06:50
too with the ALPR bans is that it might not even
1:06:56
leave committee. But the last two years, there's
1:07:00
been stuff going into committee to require public
1:07:04
comment at public meetings, because we have the
1:07:07
public meetings laws, but we don't we don't require
1:07:10
comment. And so Tyler, when you say we are you
1:07:13
still referring to your township Wilder, or are
1:07:16
you referring to a bigger state? The state, the
1:07:18
state, the state overall. So the state has open
1:07:22
meetings laws that require, you know, that's
1:07:27
what that's why we have, you know, city council
1:07:29
meetings and, you know, at the county or whatever
1:07:33
level. So are those procedures primarily dictated
1:07:40
by state law? Yeah. But it essentially just requires
1:07:44
you guys have to have an open public meeting.
1:07:48
People have to be able to attend and see what
1:07:49
you're doing. You can't just have meetings behind
1:07:51
closed doors. Does that include public comment?
1:07:55
No, but that's what it doesn't require. It doesn't
1:07:58
require public comment. And so that's where there's
1:08:00
been, there's been two bills that to go forth
1:08:04
in the last two sessions to require public comment,
1:08:07
but they never even left committee. But it's
1:08:11
simple. Like we should be allowing people to
1:08:13
have a say in what's going on in the government.
1:08:16
You know, obviously you can require only you
1:08:19
know say okay you only have two minutes to speak
1:08:21
or you only have three minutes to speak or you
1:08:24
know I just watched uh it was uh last night was
1:08:27
the the Twin Falls City Council budget meeting
1:08:30
and and uh someone went up there to speak and
1:08:33
and they wrote John Hancock for their name and
1:08:36
they didn't allow him to They didn't allow them
1:08:38
to speak because they had a fictitious name or
1:08:42
whatever. Of course. Of course. Yeah. And they're
1:08:44
like, Hey, nobody does lawfare like the government
1:08:46
does even at the most lowest and petty levels.
1:08:49
It's fantastic, but in the worst of ways. Oh
1:08:52
yeah. I mean, who cares? Like, what does, what
1:08:53
does it matter that someone says their name or
1:08:56
not? Like we're here talking about surveillance,
1:08:57
you know what I mean? It's just an, it's just
1:09:00
a reason to shut talking about surveillance.
1:09:03
I don't want to use my real name. Well then sir,
1:09:05
you don't get to speak because we don't know
1:09:07
who you are now. Hold still while we put you
1:09:09
on camera. There was just, there was just a lady
1:09:13
that was arrested for that. I can't remember
1:09:15
where I'd have to look it up. But she was drug
1:09:18
out of a council meeting of her full name. And
1:09:21
they knew who she was. It's like, you know who
1:09:23
I am, you know, but they want to play, you know,
1:09:26
they want to play another little stroke. And
1:09:29
again, it just I gotta say it it goes back. It's
1:09:31
bigger than that It is the nature of the state
1:09:33
and I'm gonna hammer that every single time because
1:09:35
I want people Anybody who's who will listen or
1:09:38
hear to hear it fully understand that is the
1:09:41
nature of the state This is not this is not one
1:09:43
-off stuff. This is not like oh, we just didn't
1:09:46
quote unquote use it properly Or we just it's
1:09:50
not because we don't have the right people in
1:09:52
positions of power No, no this shit is every
1:09:56
day Every day in America, who's in charge? This
1:09:58
is the nature of the state. It's inherent. I
1:10:01
was watching that video of the lady getting drug
1:10:04
out of the council meeting. But it really made
1:10:07
me mad. And the reason it made me so mad was
1:10:11
because there's so many people against these
1:10:15
systems of mass surveillance. And people across
1:10:20
the country are going in front of councils that
1:10:24
don't even listen, that don't even care. And
1:10:26
it's the same story over and over again. It's
1:10:29
like pedantic. And how does it make sense? And
1:10:33
how is it that we got to the point to where like,
1:10:35
it's not a problem with the Wilder City Council.
1:10:38
It's not a problem with the Caldwell City Council.
1:10:40
It's not a problem with the Twin Falls City Council.
1:10:44
It's a systemic issue across the whole country.
1:10:49
And I don't understand how how are these the
1:10:52
people that are there that are elected allegedly
1:10:57
to, you know, they're supposed to be elected
1:11:01
to represent the people and they seem to just
1:11:04
represent the state's interest. That's right.
1:11:07
Yeah, the people who live their lives and mind
1:11:09
their own live their lives in mind their own
1:11:10
the people who are natural bent towards meddling
1:11:12
Gravitate immediately towards love towards meddling
1:11:15
the the saying that absolute power corrupts.
1:11:18
Absolutely. No, it's bullshit It's not true and
1:11:21
I don't and it's not how it works It's that the
1:11:24
corrupt absolutely seek power So again from my
1:11:30
perspective as a libertarian and more specifically
1:11:32
as an anarchist is we you have to take that away
1:11:35
don't allow for those things to even exist because
1:11:39
somebody will always wield them. And even in
1:11:42
the private sector, of course, you know, that
1:11:44
happens also as well. You got gangs, cartels,
1:11:46
blah, blah, blah, blah. But at least they have
1:11:49
the decency to turn a profit. I can negotiate
1:11:52
with them. I can legitimately legally fight them
1:11:55
off physically and violently if I need to or
1:11:57
want to. Nobody calls me a criminal. Meanwhile,
1:12:00
if the road pirates stop me for whatever arbitrary
1:12:02
reason and I shoot one, I am the worst person
1:12:06
on planet Earth and get the death penalty. But
1:12:08
if the mafia pulls me over and does the exact
1:12:12
same thing, extracts money from me over the barrel
1:12:15
of a gun, and I shoot one of them, I'm a local
1:12:18
hero. The only difference is the costume and
1:12:20
the paperwork. And so there you have it. The
1:12:24
state versus everybody else. And you ask a good
1:12:27
question, Tyler. I hate to sound like the arrogant
1:12:30
ass that I am, but the answer is pretty simple.
1:12:33
It's the nature of the state and it's the nature
1:12:34
of humans of those who late leave those be those
1:12:37
who don't leave others be. And if it's there,
1:12:40
the power, if the position of power is there,
1:12:41
the corrupt will seek it out and they will fill
1:12:43
it. And most of us are too busy living our lives
1:12:45
to either stop it or to block it. And by block
1:12:50
it, that usually would mean us us being the ones
1:12:52
sitting there. I was president of my HOA for
1:12:56
my first two homes I lived in now where I live.
1:12:58
There is no HOA, thank God, where we, you know,
1:13:01
I'm way up in the North outside of Clark Fork
1:13:03
and there's many reasons why I'm up here. But
1:13:06
for the first two neighborhoods, there was an
1:13:07
HOA. And in both occasions, I actually made a
1:13:10
point to become the president of the HOA. And
1:13:12
I did it successfully and then held on to those
1:13:13
positions for years. And I took, like a classic
1:13:16
libertarian, I took control and I left everybody
1:13:20
the fuck alone. and I took the minimum amount
1:13:23
from everybody that was required by the HOA bylaws,
1:13:26
and we just maintained the neighborhood, and
1:13:27
I actually tried to abolish both of them, but
1:13:30
I couldn't because you have to actually have,
1:13:32
if everybody has mortgages, then the only way
1:13:35
you can abolish an HOA is if the mortgagers sign
1:13:38
off. So homeowners have to sign off on it, but
1:13:41
then the interested parties, which also happen
1:13:43
to be the mortgages, the banks, also have to
1:13:46
sign off, so I could never get it done. But I
1:13:48
did try to abolish both of them. But at that
1:13:50
point, my idea was, well, it's either me taking
1:13:53
this flack for everybody else, and a lot of them
1:13:55
hate me for it, and a lot of them don't hate
1:13:57
me for it, or it's little Nazis in their little
1:14:01
neighborhoods doing Nazi stuff to me. So we had
1:14:05
to, you know, sit in the seat. And that's how
1:14:08
this stuff happens. HOAs, city councils, county
1:14:11
commissioners, state legislators, all the way
1:14:15
up and down. Well, and there's the entire apparatus
1:14:18
of the, you know, public education, quote unquote,
1:14:21
and this program, which we highlighted, the mainstream
1:14:24
media. They constantly refer to the city councils
1:14:29
and this and that as leaders. The county leaders,
1:14:33
elected leaders, the city leaders, they say it
1:14:37
constantly and they are... Even though that's
1:14:40
the opposite of what they are. They're elect.
1:14:42
You said it. They're Tyler. They're elected representatives,
1:14:44
which is the opposite of a leader. You're the
1:14:47
people are the leaders and thank you and the
1:14:51
People up on the dais are supposed to be representing
1:14:54
Now they're the leaders and that gets hammered
1:14:57
home across the board because a I think the people
1:15:01
on the dais believe themselves to be that and
1:15:03
then I Just It's a population that loves to be
1:15:08
ruled, I guess. People just want to be ruled
1:15:10
as slave mentality. It's like the story of Exodus.
1:15:13
They're like, hey, man, there was certainly harder
1:15:14
in Egypt. Yeah, let's go back. Let's go back.
1:15:17
The slavery was preferable. But it's there's
1:15:20
a lot of language, subtle and not so subtle.
1:15:22
Man and Quail is OK. But you know what? I think
1:15:26
we should probably go back into slavery leaders.
1:15:29
Yeah. Okay, we got to do mid show we got to do
1:15:33
it We have more flock stuff and we got to do
1:15:35
mid show and I think Tyler just dropped off of
1:15:36
clean feed So I'm not sure if he's gonna go or
1:15:39
his thing just crapped out on him, but it is
1:15:41
time to do he's back. Okay Tyler we got to do
1:15:46
mid show and then I have a I have more clips
1:15:49
Are you game to hang out with us and do some
1:15:50
other stuff for the second half of show? Yeah
1:15:52
Cool. All right. Awesome. Right on. So you maybe
1:15:56
I'm not sure if you made it this far in the pro
1:15:59
of no idea that you've heard this far. But this
1:16:02
program is a value for value program. That's
1:16:04
the model we run on a no idea. And now we're
1:16:06
on episode 43. Yeah, I've been going for a while.
1:16:09
We're almost about to cross the one year mark
1:16:11
coming up in October. You know what we forgot
1:16:13
to do for last episode, Scott? What's that episode
1:16:15
42? And we absolutely missed an entire opportunity
1:16:18
to call it the meaning of life. I'm just realizing
1:16:20
it now. So I think for episode 43, we have to
1:16:23
call it the meaning of life just just for the
1:16:25
fuckery of it. Really? But not not tyranny is
1:16:28
a software patch away. Oh, well, if you're going
1:16:31
to go, if you don't, I don't mind the long windedness,
1:16:33
you know, me, a big fan of long windedness brevity
1:16:36
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hire Tyler to figure out how to get our Facebook
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page up to 26 ,000 followers. I know. I've never
1:18:27
done any of this. He's been doing this since
1:18:28
April? Yeah, really. I've never done anything
1:18:30
in my life. Five months and I'm already eclipsing
1:18:34
everything you guys have done in a year I grabbed
1:18:36
I grabbed a torch and just started walking toward
1:18:39
the city council chambers and next thing you
1:18:40
know I turned around and all 200 people in the
1:18:43
town were behind me Yes 15 second like a do a
1:18:51
15 second short like real that's all you got
1:18:54
to do It's that simple I know this program I
1:18:59
have yeah, but like this is well, it's an audio
1:19:02
show. You're right I mean, I I know I keep being
1:19:04
told that it's the short form, but brevity is
1:19:08
not our strong suit in a sound bite world We're
1:19:10
singing the opera over here. That's pretty much
1:19:12
it This is the long the the long form is really
1:19:14
the only way to truly dissect these things like
1:19:16
to get to get all the the clicks and the The
1:19:19
sort of critical mass of followers and stuff,
1:19:21
yes. And for your purposes, for the political
1:19:23
purposes, makes complete sense. For the purposes
1:19:26
of audio, just like a dissemination and, you
1:19:30
know, whatever, commentary and media deconstruction
1:19:32
in this format, it doesn't work in short form.
1:19:35
So I just need to I need to get someone on board
1:19:38
with this, you know, some Gen Z or that's better
1:19:40
at that stuff. Do like, though. how I asked Tyler,
1:19:43
how do you do it? He gives us the answer and
1:19:44
we're like, nah, nah, that doesn't. I don't even
1:19:46
know. I don't. I don't even. I just posted. I
1:19:49
sort of posted people speaking myself and other
1:19:52
people speaking at council meetings. And then
1:19:54
it just kind of blew up. And I would just cut
1:19:57
those up in different ways. And then there is
1:19:59
video. My big, the big thing, the big thing I've
1:20:02
learned to use CapCut. I had no clue how to how
1:20:06
to do that. But I've had help, you know, from.
1:20:10
some other people that make content have kind
1:20:13
of shown me how to, you know, shown me how or,
1:20:17
or they'd made content for the page. And then
1:20:20
I'm just like, okay, well, let me figure out
1:20:22
how to do the same thing, you know? And so, yeah,
1:20:27
I mean, I just kind of shitpost and it works.
1:20:31
Well, okay, we could, I can do that shitposting.
1:20:34
Yeah. And I can speak in my language. Like, I
1:20:36
mean, I mean, we had, I could only speak in memes.
1:20:39
Well, we had a MAGA mom. She's on the council
1:20:42
city council of Nampa And I went and spoke at
1:20:46
their their council meeting and it was it was
1:20:49
pointless the I'd actually met with their mayor
1:20:52
and I met with their mayor and then when I'm
1:20:54
leaving the police officer that What's his name?
1:20:58
Someone with an s some bullcrap Anyways, he like
1:21:04
he like forced me out the door. Like we were
1:21:07
done talking and, and, um, cause they showed
1:21:10
me their real time crime center. I don't even
1:21:12
know why the mayor took me. I wanted to sit there
1:21:16
and talk to the, um, you know, talk to the mayor.
1:21:19
And then he takes me to the real time crime center.
1:21:22
And, uh, the officers are, you know, they're,
1:21:25
they start, we're arguing over, it's like four
1:21:27
of them versus me. And they're arguing, you know,
1:21:30
how, how great their system is. And I'm like,
1:21:33
you're you're sharing with these people. And
1:21:36
you know, this is, is this, this is how it works.
1:21:40
But at the end, when one, one interesting point
1:21:42
is that officer's like, well, at one point he's
1:21:45
like, my mom doesn't even like these cameras.
1:21:48
It's like, like my mom doesn't support my job.
1:21:51
You should listen to your mother. And we've had
1:21:54
hard conversations because of my mom. Yeah. Lieutenant
1:21:57
Chad Shepard with the Nampa. police department.
1:22:02
Dude, that guy sounds like a guy who will beat
1:22:04
you up for being black. Chad Shepard. He used
1:22:08
to play high school football till he injured.
1:22:11
He was going to go pro till he injured his knee.
1:22:14
Now he's, he's just an ISP trooper with a hard
1:22:17
on for catching criminals on the road going six
1:22:20
miles over the speed limit. What his ex wife
1:22:22
said on that, on that court proceeding. That's
1:22:24
all it's allegations. They have not been proven.
1:22:28
Allegedly. Allegedly raised my voice and wagged
1:22:31
my finger at her sir that I don't know where
1:22:33
that black guy came from I only told her once
1:22:35
so he So yeah, he I'm like leaving right we're
1:22:41
like done talking and I stopped it in the doorway
1:22:43
and I'm looking at the screen and Because they
1:22:47
have this huge screen and it's just like plastered
1:22:49
with people driving around town and I can't remember
1:22:52
what I was gonna ask I was gonna ask something
1:22:56
but he like He doesn't push me, but he, you know,
1:22:58
like when someone like firmly like touches you
1:23:01
to like move you. And so he like firmly like
1:23:04
moves me through the door. And then I'm like,
1:23:06
I'm like in the hallway and I stopped and I'm
1:23:09
like waiting for the mayor to come out. And he's
1:23:12
like, you need to leave. And he tries like pushing
1:23:13
me again and like to the elevator. And, and I'm
1:23:17
like, I'm waiting on the mayor, dude. It's so
1:23:20
anyways. Stop resisting, sir. Stop resisting.
1:23:24
I seem to be getting close to that, you know?
1:23:28
So anyways, so anyways, I go to the council meeting
1:23:30
and I spoke and I brought up. points of, you
1:23:33
know, how Motorola shares their data with, um,
1:23:36
the Thomas Reuters clear system and, you know,
1:23:39
other valid concerns with their system. And,
1:23:42
uh, he goes up there and just starts naming me
1:23:44
by name. He's like, I don't know what Mr. Kane
1:23:46
thinks he knows and blah, blah, blah, blah, running
1:23:48
this like very like emotional, like one of his,
1:23:51
his points was if these were illegal, the attorney
1:23:54
general would have done something about it. They
1:23:59
only. Guys, it's okay. It's legal. What else
1:24:06
do you need to know? It's perfectly legal. It's
1:24:09
okay. Mr. Kane just doesn't get it. He's just
1:24:12
another citizen who doesn't get it. He's operating
1:24:14
on misinformation. I don't know what he thinks
1:24:15
he knows, but if he just knew the right things,
1:24:17
he wouldn't think the way he does. That's the
1:24:21
exact argument. I mean, that's exactly what he
1:24:23
went up there and said. And so he kept my name
1:24:25
and my mouth, my name in his mouth, you know,
1:24:28
running it. And then Magamom, who is like this
1:24:31
Facebook influencer who's also just happens to
1:24:34
sit on the city council. Um, she starts going
1:24:38
around saying, we don't have flock, which they
1:24:41
don't, but she's like, we don't operate mass
1:24:43
surveillance and we don't do this. And Nampa's
1:24:45
blah, blah, blah, blah, just spouting all this
1:24:47
stuff about how great Nampa's mass surveillance
1:24:50
program is. And so I start going at her and I
1:24:53
make this, I made, I took her like Facebook thing
1:24:55
and I made it like, uh, what was it? It was,
1:24:58
it was surveillance mom. And then I was like,
1:25:03
I changed the thing. I was, it says communist
1:25:05
voice cutting through privacy, defending mass
1:25:08
surveillance comrades and control in a free world
1:25:11
unapologetically stalking. Oh, I do it. You could
1:25:16
do, I'll do you one better. You make a poster
1:25:17
of surveillance mom and be like, are you, are
1:25:19
you kids behaving in here? It's so dude. So what's
1:25:23
so funny is, is so She's this mega mom. She's
1:25:28
she's on the council. She's using her mega mom
1:25:31
platform to, to, you know, relay information
1:25:34
that's going on in the city. She blocks deflock
1:25:38
Idaho, just blocks us. And, um, but it's like,
1:25:43
you don't even have enough skin, you know, thick
1:25:44
skin to deal with, you know, a couple of memes,
1:25:48
um, when you're, you know, you've won the argument.
1:25:53
When they just, uh, block, you're like, Oh, I
1:25:56
guess I won. Did I win? He doesn't feel like
1:25:58
winning, but I'm pretty sure I won. But she wasn't
1:26:01
even, you know, she didn't want to have it educated,
1:26:03
you know, to, to understand how these work or
1:26:06
anything. And what's so funny to say that somebody
1:26:08
who goes by the handle MAGA didn't want to listen.
1:26:12
Well, and so what they do, what they do, and
1:26:15
I saw this a lot with Nampa and I, when the mayor
1:26:20
took me to the to the crime center, they're like,
1:26:23
these are the experts. And so it's always this.
1:26:28
Scott loves those people. Scott is a super duper
1:26:31
fan of the experts. Tell us more about the experts.
1:26:33
Yeah, continue. And then I have a little vignette
1:26:36
on. Yeah. So, Scott, don't even worry about it.
1:26:38
Tyler said the experts are on it, man. Flock's
1:26:40
OK now. It's cool. The experts. These people
1:26:43
think they're like trust the experts and it's
1:26:45
the same thing that happened like, you know,
1:26:47
during COVID. Trust the experts. Trust the experts.
1:26:51
And, um, but really like these people, this person,
1:26:56
that's a, that's when you're talking about a
1:26:58
police officer or, uh, you know, there's a difference
1:27:02
between, you know, a sheriff and, and a police
1:27:05
department. So the Nampa police department is
1:27:08
bureaucrats. The police chief is a bureaucrat.
1:27:11
Yes. They're, they're not an elected official
1:27:13
and, and, and Chad Shepard is Lieutenant Chad
1:27:18
Shepard is a bureaucrat who's defending his salary.
1:27:22
And that doesn't make someone an expert. That
1:27:25
makes them a person trying to collect a paycheck.
1:27:29
And so sorry to do this to you again, Tyler,
1:27:31
but you basically, once again, just described
1:27:33
the state in a nutshell. Bureaucrats who would
1:27:37
otherwise not have a as good of a job or any
1:27:39
job in the free market or in the private sector
1:27:42
But they have it here because the state and they
1:27:44
are defending their existence That's why it's
1:27:47
so hard to dismantle any of it because they have
1:27:49
a vested interest in it existing Everything they
1:27:51
do is as is a defense against the likes of us
1:27:56
Here's Lori Wolf Tyler. This is Lori Wolf. She
1:27:59
works a hand -in -hand with Governor tiny doing
1:28:01
the budget. I'm happy to be a bureaucrat She
1:28:04
loves it. I like your taxes. She doesn't want
1:28:06
to pay taxes, but you know what? I like your
1:28:08
taxes. She likes ours. Oh, geez. I guarantee
1:28:13
you she pays a CPA $10 ,000 a year to pay a lot
1:28:17
less taxes. No, it is a scary laugh. Listen again.
1:28:23
I'm happy to be a bureaucrat. It's like the Kamala
1:28:25
Harris laugh. Totally. It's a Kamala cackle.
1:28:28
Yeah. And here, you know what? Here's some, we're
1:28:29
still, we're still technically in the value for
1:28:31
value segment. Here's a little bonus. Yeah, we
1:28:32
are. We have, we have donor notes to read. Do
1:28:35
we have a? Yes. Oh, sweet. Let's do it. Sorry,
1:28:37
Tyler. We'll pick it back. Hold that thought.
1:28:40
We're going to hear that. I have to play this
1:28:41
though. Here's some bonus content in the value
1:28:43
for value segment. This is from KTVB. Idaho kindergartners
1:28:46
are heading back to class with vaccination exemption
1:28:48
rates well above the national average. New CDC.
1:28:52
Yay. seventeen point five percent of idaho kindergartners
1:28:55
had an exemption for at least one required vaccine
1:28:58
last school year that there is more four point
1:29:00
two percent nationwide national and then more
1:29:03
vaccination rates have also fall into ninety
1:29:05
two point four percent below the ninety five
1:29:08
level consider necessary to prevent measles outbreaks
1:29:12
the idaho immunization coalition is urging parents
1:29:15
to check their children's records and talk with
1:29:17
their health care providers about any overdue
1:29:19
vaccines not been actually say it in the title
1:29:23
immunization coalition. How much public money
1:29:25
do you think they get? Well, I have some answers
1:29:27
for you on that. I dug into them a little bit.
1:29:29
And then they didn't they didn't actually, Tyler,
1:29:30
in this clip use the word experts, but they almost
1:29:33
always do. There was one from NPR on this same
1:29:36
topic. And they did say, you know, according
1:29:38
to experts, you need the 95 percent threshold
1:29:40
of vaccination so that the your your kid who's
1:29:43
protected needs to be protected from the unprotected
1:29:45
by forcing the unprotected to get the protection
1:29:48
that didn't protect the protected kid. You know,
1:29:50
but they don't know about being protected. could
1:29:53
kill you. But they they will always they'll quote,
1:29:57
oh, the CDC says this and experts say that as
1:30:00
if there's just all the credibility in the world
1:30:03
for the CDC and experts like the like the last
1:30:06
six years never happened. If you have any questions
1:30:08
about the legitimacy of that that sort of verbiage
1:30:11
or whoever it is they're quoting, or how do you
1:30:13
know not to listen? How do you know which experts
1:30:15
to listen to? What about this expert who says
1:30:16
the opposite? They just trotted out there. It's
1:30:19
that goes back to what I was talking about earlier.
1:30:20
They're like exasperated. with us for questioning
1:30:23
the credibility of all this stuff, even though
1:30:25
all they've ever done is dash their credibility
1:30:27
against the rocks. Hello, peasants. Are the experts
1:30:33
in the room with us? Yeah, are they watching
1:30:35
us right now? Yeah, that what was that organization?
1:30:39
To prevent measles outbreaks. It depends on whether
1:30:41
you guys would call our assigned fed boys experts.
1:30:45
If so, then yes. The Idaho Immunization Coalition
1:30:48
is the Idaho Immunization Coalition. OK, so I
1:30:51
look now, who's that? They just go right past
1:30:53
it, doesn't it? Now, they're a private organization.
1:30:56
They're not governmental. But let me give you
1:30:58
a couple. No, no, no, no. But I bet they operate
1:31:03
on grants. And come on, man, you know the game
1:31:06
here. So I win. So not only do they operate heavily
1:31:09
on grants, not only does the it's what is it?
1:31:14
Over a hundred thousand dollars in annual compensation
1:31:17
for the executive director of this organization
1:31:20
They have received about $80 ,000 from Pfizer
1:31:24
directly documented payments from Pfizer. And
1:31:28
so I can't imagine what incentive Pfizer would
1:31:30
have. You were saying a second ago, Tyler, about
1:31:32
the guy, the expert is just on the stand defending
1:31:34
his job and his salary. Well, what incentive
1:31:37
might exist for Pfizer to use Idaho NPR to describe
1:31:41
how important your kid getting vaccinated against
1:31:43
measles is on account of the kid next to him
1:31:45
is vaccinated but needs to be protected? Would
1:31:49
you like to know more? Yeah, and there's a lot
1:31:52
more to it too. And there's also been a massive
1:31:54
funding increase for this particular group. In
1:31:59
2019, its annual revenue was $145K. In 2024,
1:32:05
it was $1 .52 million. What happened between
1:32:09
2020 and 2025? I don't know. What could possibly
1:32:13
have happened? I'll bet you too that Tyler's
1:32:19
probably seen very similar stuff with the flock
1:32:22
and Motorola cameras and whatnot. You got to
1:32:25
know pockets are being lined on that side of
1:32:27
things as well. They have to be being lined.
1:32:29
We had, I got, well, so there was this rash of
1:32:33
police departments. A rash, get a vaccine. But
1:32:37
they were doing like just constant social media
1:32:41
and it was like nationwide. And so there was
1:32:45
from other people and then, and then from us,
1:32:47
but there was a ton of records requests done.
1:32:49
They found, um, you know, flock was building
1:32:52
has like worksheets to give to, this is how you
1:32:56
talk to the public at a council meeting, like
1:32:59
telling police departments how to do that. Uh,
1:33:02
and then, and then even where we, we, we got
1:33:06
emails from, uh, twin falls where before we went
1:33:09
to there, we had like two probably, I don't even
1:33:12
know account. I mean, it had to be like 200.
1:33:14
250 people it was their whole room was packed
1:33:17
the the there's a watch room that was packed
1:33:20
the hallway was packed like there was just that
1:33:23
many people there at the first council meeting
1:33:25
we went to to speak about flock and um But we
1:33:30
got emails from them leading up to that meeting
1:33:32
where they were asking flock for help They're
1:33:34
like we need help before our meeting because
1:33:37
it's gonna be and they were they were referring
1:33:39
to Caldwell They're like they're like we it's
1:33:42
it's gonna be an event like Caldwell because
1:33:44
we did we did one in Caldwell where we it was
1:33:47
a standing room only As well, but they were they're
1:33:51
like scared they're like scared of the the taxpayers
1:33:55
accountability They're scared of the people and
1:33:58
they need they need flock to hold their hand
1:34:01
and tell them to tell them how they should address
1:34:04
the public about the mass surveillance system
1:34:08
they implemented. It's absolutely insane. They're
1:34:12
used to doing this shit in the dark. Yes, and
1:34:15
they should be scared. They should be. The thing
1:34:20
is they're scared but they're not actually going
1:34:22
to change course. See, that's really the issue.
1:34:25
It's that they're not actually going to change
1:34:26
course. Well, because there's no real consequences.
1:34:28
There's no real consequences. They're scared
1:34:29
of how to deal with the interim. They trotted
1:34:31
out Fauci. It's like when they trotted out Fauci
1:34:34
last week or two weeks ago and a bunch of people
1:34:36
on the MAGA were like, yeah, get some Fauci.
1:34:40
You and I sat there and went, we know. Nothing's
1:34:43
going to happen. I mean, the guy who's sitting
1:34:45
president right now gave Fauci a fucking medal.
1:34:48
You think anything's actually going to happen
1:34:50
to the guy? No, he went up there. He sat there
1:34:52
for a whole day, pleaded the fifth, took his
1:34:54
lumps like a man, still got his platinum parachute.
1:34:56
Who cares? He wins. He wins. If all else fails,
1:34:59
he can always move back to the motherland of
1:35:01
Israel and he'll be fine. Oh, I knew you were
1:35:04
going to bust that out. I gave it to you. I handed
1:35:05
it to you on a T. If all else fails, he can always
1:35:06
move back to the motherland of Israel and he'll
1:35:07
be fine. I thought he was Jewish. You apparently
1:35:13
weren't alone. I got a couple different notes
1:35:15
this week that from people that were like so
1:35:17
did I Yeah, thank you. Yeah, see it's actually
1:35:21
like this is why it's noteworthy It's cuz one
1:35:24
it's one of the few like actual swings and a
1:35:26
miss I've had and you know 12 months of podcasting
1:35:29
and I I'm you know, I I just missed that one.
1:35:32
Oh, well what you gonna do? Hey speaking of rashes
1:35:37
funding and missing people and stuff let's uh
1:35:41
Finish this. Yes, contributors. Yes. So if you
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make along the way. Anyway, moving along, I'm
1:36:21
so glad Tyler didn't speak either. I was like,
1:36:23
give it give it six Mississippi of silence. The
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Let's start off with a repeated executive producer.
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And at this point, we'll probably have to come
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Banducci. I better hear me a 999. Hey, what?
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Damn. Is that a real time flack throwing right
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now? Was he just listening in and did this just
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now or something? No, no, that came in last week.
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So I think it was all about your outlook, your
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outlook alerts that kept going off. Oh, oh, that.
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OK, I thought you meant the me not having the
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sound drop for the 999 part. I was like, oh,
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no, I know. I'll have you know I turn my email
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off today But I keep it up sometimes because
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that's where some of my articles are that I want
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to discuss For this podcast and if I don't keep
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I think we should call Kevin the glorious supreme
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Chalupa leader that will be his new executive
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producer title Next sorry, I lost my tab here.
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row of Schmeckles from anonymous. Appreciate
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it. Any notes? No, no. He says he actually. No,
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no. This person says no note. So I guess that
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technically is a note. So, but we'll we'll. The
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files are in the computer. It's so simple. We
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greatly appreciate the row of Schmeckels and
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1:38:55
from Adam Curry, the pod father. I guess that
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North Idaho show is doing okay. What? Did he
1:39:06
talk about us? Yeah, because Sir Ducifer, who
1:39:09
co -hosted the last show, was like, you know,
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I've gone up to North Idaho, I've hung out with
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those guys, and Sir Scott the Jew, and Adam's
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heard our show before, but I just love his, like,
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hey, you gotta have Scott on the show. And this,
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you know, when Ducifer brought us up, Adam said
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- I guess that North Idaho show is doing okay.
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I love it. Cool. Cool. All right. All right.
1:39:36
So well the second half of show we got some more
1:39:38
flock stuff while Tyler Kane is hanging out with
1:39:41
us Community organizer Tyler Kane. Do you want
1:39:43
to do a song and a quick pee break? Yes, and
1:39:47
yes Okay, as long as I mean, you know, I mean,
1:39:49
it's it's only like three and a half minutes
1:39:50
more. So I don't think it's going to make a break,
1:39:52
Tyler, as long as she's willing to stick with
1:39:53
us. And if not, that's cool. Are you good on
1:39:55
time, Tyler? Yeah, plenty. Yeah, plenty of time.
1:39:57
Awesome. This will definitely be a longer episode.
1:39:59
But what are you going to do? There is a there's
1:40:01
a story that I'd like to get added in maybe while
1:40:03
we're on break. That might be a good one. But
1:40:06
do you want to like email me a link and I'll
1:40:08
take a look at it? Yeah, I'll pull it up. Yeah.
1:40:11
OK, sweet. All right. Right on. All right. DJ
1:40:13
Paul's got a song and we'll be back in a few.
1:40:16
All right, this is about the relationship between
1:40:20
the state and us enjoy See you in your dreams
1:40:49
I want you to want me I would fall from the sky
1:40:55
Cross my heart and hope to die Turn my back from
1:41:02
heaven's eyes Just to be with you You made me
1:43:53
do it. You did this to us citizens. COVID forced
1:43:58
the racketeer to close while allowing Home Depot
1:44:00
to continue operating, and 9 -11 caused the Patriot
1:44:03
Act, and AI caused the employees to be fired,
1:44:06
and crime is causing the installation of ALPRs.
1:44:09
And inflation is why we're going to tax you 12
1:44:11
% this year as a city. Yes. Inflation is why
1:44:14
we need to up the city's budget and raise your
1:44:16
taxes. Inflation is why. Give us your money.
1:44:19
Violent video games cause Columbine. No, that
1:44:23
was the matrix. Yeah, you're right by the Wachowski
1:44:25
sisters. You can't play video games. Yeah, you
1:44:27
blame Hollywood Oh and Marilyn Manson Yes, we
1:44:32
can hear you Okay Second half of show and we
1:44:38
have lots more flock stuff Tyler. You just sent
1:44:40
me this clip, which I Did not I'm just pulling
1:44:43
it up straight on YouTube. We're just we're doing
1:44:45
it live We have other stuff to get to besides
1:44:47
flock, but of course demos, bro. I hate those
1:44:49
things while we have Tyler here We're just gonna
1:44:51
keep going Today's luck day luck day We're in
1:44:56
downtown Minneapolis where hundreds of people
1:44:58
have come out to protest against block Surveillance
1:45:03
that they didn't sign up Why didn't they care
1:45:07
about that six years ago? Well, this is what
1:45:10
I I do have to wonder where was everybody? Where
1:45:13
were you? It's like one of the bluest of the
1:45:15
blue spots in the entire country. Where was this
1:45:20
six years ago? Well, and that makes me wonder
1:45:23
to channel surduce for for a second. You know,
1:45:25
they are being spun on. The mainstream is spinning
1:45:28
people up. Flock, flock, flock bad, flock bad.
1:45:31
They're spinning people up. So what is what up
1:45:34
actually is this? ...of this protest calls himself
1:45:40
No Mark. He says he's a masked vigilante who's
1:45:43
saving the country from Flock. Flock cameras
1:45:45
use AI to capture the identifying characteristics
1:45:48
of vehicles that pass by. Law enforcement uses
1:45:50
its national database to solve crimes like stolen
1:45:53
cars or missing people. But recently, dozens
1:45:55
of stories have come out about police officers
1:45:57
who are accused of abusing the data. Like officers...
1:46:00
Just to quickly let you know the context here
1:46:02
of what Tyler sent me. This is from CNN. This
1:46:05
is from C freaking NN and it's titled are vandals
1:46:08
winning the war on flock camera? So this is the
1:46:10
mainstream media Kind of sending you the flock
1:46:13
bad messaging charged with stalking who allegedly
1:46:15
used the system throwing us a bone We've had
1:46:19
a lot like the argument that it's an op I'm yeah,
1:46:24
that kind of makes me believe it man when CNN
1:46:26
throws us a bone starting to wonder Sorry, go
1:46:29
ahead, Tyler. I'm in this and I've seen some
1:46:33
weird things where there's like, people are like,
1:46:34
oh, it's a conspiracy. People are just trying
1:46:37
to like, why are we so focused on flock when
1:46:40
there's other companies? But within this movement
1:46:44
as a whole, people only have the capacity to
1:46:51
understand so much. And so FLOC becomes synonymous,
1:46:56
right? If you're just trying to live your day,
1:47:00
live your life and not have to be involved in
1:47:03
government or involved in whatever, you're not
1:47:06
going to know Motorola or all of the in -depth
1:47:10
details of how all of the surveillance state
1:47:13
works. But I don't know that there's an op. I've
1:47:17
worked with a lot of You know media and and it
1:47:22
seems like they're just genuine people who are
1:47:24
also concerned about mass surveillance And so
1:47:29
and also also it buys it gets some clicks, right?
1:47:32
It gets them, you know, it's a hot topic So yeah,
1:47:35
it's the topic de jour right now Yeah, yeah,
1:47:38
it's like the top. Yeah, I mean that's the really
1:47:40
the only reason there's there's been people that
1:47:41
have been against these for a long time I think
1:47:44
I just started my page at the right time where
1:47:46
there was a vacuum For the type of content that
1:47:50
I've been creating, you know, there's something
1:47:52
to say where where you know over There was times
1:47:56
where I was going up by a thousand followers
1:47:59
a day And so it's absolutely insane growth of
1:48:04
a page. Even now I go up by, you know, hundreds.
1:48:08
I mean, at least, depending on what I post, I
1:48:11
mean, at least, you know, a thousand followers
1:48:13
a week would be normal for that page. Tell me
1:48:19
in those ranks. I actually followed you like
1:48:21
two months ago before I knew anything else. Oh,
1:48:24
I listen to early D -Flock. I don't know their
1:48:28
stuff where they want to play them stuff from
1:48:29
the current album, but early D -Flock. I knew
1:48:31
Tyler before he was big, back when he was indie
1:48:33
and his stuff was out of the garage. Yeah. So
1:48:38
I think I just I don't think there's like an
1:48:40
op. I think I think it's just this is this is
1:48:42
the hot topic. I mean, you had, you know, the
1:48:45
civil rights movement you've had, you know, you
1:48:47
have there's a lot of movements that have happened
1:48:49
in history. And I think this is just the one
1:48:51
the one of the hour. So you're thinking maybe
1:48:54
at least in regards to, say, the mainstream media,
1:48:57
less of an op. At least from them or on their
1:49:01
behalf and more of a just a target, just like
1:49:04
other things, a target of opportunity. Hey, this
1:49:06
is the topic de jour. We know it gets, you know,
1:49:08
gets clicks and gets views. And some of us maybe
1:49:11
kind of sympathize or even maybe agree and are
1:49:15
not quite so pro surveillance. Maybe that's kind
1:49:18
of what you're thinking. It's more. Yeah, I mean,
1:49:20
some of our target of opportunity. Some of the
1:49:22
reporters I've talked to are fervently against
1:49:25
these. A lot of times they have to present the
1:49:29
media in a certain way. Some I've met have been
1:49:35
neutral on the topic. But generally, if you're
1:49:42
against something, you're going to want to use
1:49:44
your platform. that ties in with the question
1:49:48
I've got perfectly Tyler do you I guess have
1:49:51
you ever pushed back on them regarding the COVID
1:49:54
stuff then because if they're that is my question
1:49:59
again and again and again people the people who
1:50:00
are against flock but were totally okay with
1:50:03
all of the bullshit they pulled on us on COVID
1:50:05
then I just go okay you know are you a changed
1:50:08
person or is this just because it's cool to be
1:50:12
anti -flock right now, but it was definitely
1:50:14
not cool to be non -compliant in 2020. Where
1:50:19
the fuck were these people six years ago? Let
1:50:21
me put it in slightly different words. This is
1:50:23
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is
1:50:25
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is
1:50:30
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is
1:50:33
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is
1:50:35
extremely dangerous to our democracy. This is
1:50:35
extremely dangerous. Have you seen, Tyler, the
1:50:39
super cuts of all of the network affiliates from
1:50:42
coast to coast, all of the KTVBs? And they're
1:50:46
all saying the same thing about disinformation
1:50:48
and there's been a rash of this. And there is
1:50:52
a there is a top down sort of script that will
1:50:56
be disseminated. Not necessarily every single
1:50:58
story and not not every single reporter quote
1:51:01
-unquote to a person I'm sure that when you meet
1:51:04
Haley from KTVB at the Twin Falls City Council
1:51:08
meeting She's just like a normal she's a person
1:51:10
and maybe she has her own opinion on a flock
1:51:12
camera Those two things exist independently of
1:51:14
each other any given reporter might be fine and
1:51:17
normal in a human But the apparatus is reptilian
1:51:20
so if they are from the top down and when CNN
1:51:24
deciding what they curate how they present it
1:51:27
and just what they present in the first place,
1:51:30
it is top down. Yeah, I don't know, because just
1:51:34
this is just from my like from my experience,
1:51:37
right? I mean, I've had I've had, you know, times
1:51:40
where I've been like, man, I really sucked at
1:51:42
this interview. But they end up, you know, making,
1:51:46
you know, decent content, or they use it in a
1:51:49
way that still presents, you know, it might be
1:51:54
not necessarily like, we're against Flock, cut
1:51:58
them down or go yell at your local council member.
1:52:03
But they still seem to present everything in
1:52:07
a way that's like favorable and putting information
1:52:13
out in front of people to see what's happening.
1:52:19
And so, I don't know, I have a hard time because
1:52:23
I've received really good I feel like I've received
1:52:25
really good, you know, media coverage and they've
1:52:28
been very willing to work with us. And I've been
1:52:32
more than willing to work with them. And it doesn't
1:52:35
really matter which this is such a nonpartisan
1:52:37
issue that it really doesn't matter, you know,
1:52:41
which media outlet it is. I think they all they
1:52:46
all just want their clicks, right? But they're
1:52:49
there to present the news. But to say that we
1:52:53
get fair news coverage, I think is is is a statement
1:52:56
that could be made. I mean, I guess we'll take
1:52:59
any help we can get. And, you know, you just
1:53:03
have to forgive guys like Scott and I for being
1:53:05
so jaded about it. No. And like like obviously,
1:53:09
you know, they they they can't have their own
1:53:13
agenda. I mean, maybe maybe they just haven't
1:53:15
caught up yet. I don't know. So any time the
1:53:19
mainstream. news apparatus embraces something
1:53:22
or endorses something or even takes a mildly
1:53:27
favorable position on something almost immediately.
1:53:31
Again, for guys like Scott and I, we'd look at
1:53:33
that and we go. Yeah. Why? Huh? Why? They're
1:53:36
making it the topic du jour. Why are they doing
1:53:38
that? Yeah, and I'm we're not trying to put you
1:53:41
on the defensive But I guess we just naturally
1:53:43
are gonna push back a little bit on that particular
1:53:46
point where it's like nah We don't I you cannot
1:53:48
hate the mainstream media enough and but let's
1:53:52
finish the CNN you cannot So we just immediately
1:53:55
go yeah, yeah hundreds of times Look at that.
1:54:01
Oh, wow. Someone got this one. Someone beat me
1:54:02
to it. It's duct taped. Every week I would see
1:54:05
a new article about how these cameras are being
1:54:07
misused, how they're being used to stalk people.
1:54:09
It's way too powerful. People are now fighting
1:54:11
back against blocked cameras. We found that people
1:54:14
have damaged, destroyed, or stolen these cameras
1:54:16
in at least 33 states. Earlier this month in
1:54:19
Winona, Minnesota, police announced that every
1:54:21
single camera in town had been stolen. This is
1:54:25
one of the eight cameras. that Winona Police
1:54:27
say were cut down by vandals. F*** a flock camera!
1:54:34
Did you get that? Yep, that's the post. You bitch.
1:54:38
So somebody just cut this off? Uh -huh. Just
1:54:41
got up here and... He's demonstrating what it's
1:54:45
like to use a right angle grinder. That's good.
1:54:48
Damage. Winona Police said the cameras would
1:54:50
not be replaced. They're one of about a hundred
1:54:52
cities around the country who've said they're
1:54:54
no longer using flock. We're not great. I cannot
1:54:58
wait for a patriot. The second patriot to come
1:55:02
out. Yeah. Gibson was in it again. Oh, the patriot
1:55:07
movie where, you know, he's leaning up against
1:55:10
one of these flat cameras, but with a hacksaw
1:55:12
and he's like, Lord, make me fast and accurate.
1:55:14
Same small miss small cameras. Just. Let it settle
1:55:20
down. It'll go away. As soon as the football.
1:55:23
Oh, will it? Oh, wait. Here's whoa. Whoa. This
1:55:26
is I think is the this is the key line right
1:55:27
here. Oh, we just got to hear what our glorious
1:55:30
supreme Chalupa leader thinks of us right there.
1:55:32
Here, listen away. As soon as the football season
1:55:35
starts, if the Vikings start winning, nobody,
1:55:39
nobody is going to pay a whole lot of attention.
1:55:44
Who are they interviewing? Who is this? Is he
1:55:45
the mayor or city councilman? Who's this guy?
1:55:48
a council member. I think he's just a council.
1:55:50
Okay. Can you guys feel the contempt and the
1:55:56
disdain dripping from that man's mouth? Once
1:55:59
the flock of stupid sheep have their beer and
1:56:03
circuses to entertain them, they're not going
1:56:06
to care about us leaders surveilling them, will
1:56:09
they? Well, unless the Vikings have a losing
1:56:11
record. Yeah, if their sports team starts sports
1:56:14
and hard enough, this will all blow over. Wow.
1:56:17
Shortening the amount of time they store the
1:56:18
data and adding flags so they can catch people
1:56:21
who are searching it inappropriately. I think
1:56:23
it's OK. I think is it I think that's the part
1:56:25
you were you were keen on. Yeah. So yeah. And
1:56:28
then I think I can't remember if it's this video,
1:56:30
but it goes on and they end up. There's like
1:56:34
a part where they're in the council meeting and
1:56:36
this could have been somewhere else, but they're
1:56:38
talking about the cameras and they're not putting
1:56:40
them back up. And they're like, well, we don't
1:56:43
want to reward the, uh, the criminals who cut
1:56:46
them down, but we're not going to put them back
1:56:48
up. Um, obviously, cause they didn't, I think
1:56:51
they didn't even stand for, they weren't even
1:56:53
up very long. I think they were taken down like
1:56:55
almost as soon as they were put up. And so, um,
1:57:01
it's just funny. So like, we're not, I'm not
1:57:04
here trying to say we need, we're, we're, we're
1:57:06
going to cut them down. Um, by any means, but
1:57:09
it's just no, no, we would never condone. It's
1:57:12
funny where the obviously anti -state behavior,
1:57:14
the cost, the cost of putting them up was them,
1:57:18
you know, someone taking them down and then,
1:57:21
and then them realizing we can't control this
1:57:24
maybe until football season. I do have it. We
1:57:28
do have an idea for you, Tyler, that we wanted
1:57:29
to run by you, that we came up with a couple
1:57:31
of weeks ago. Especially since you have the reach
1:57:34
that you have now on Facebook is we were thinking
1:57:36
that your next ad campaign Actually, instead
1:57:38
of it being anti -flock should be very very pro
1:57:42
flock but directed towards a particular population
1:57:47
and demographic in the downtown Spokane area.
1:57:50
And importantly, it's more like a PSA for that
1:57:53
group of people and letting them know that each
1:57:55
flock camera contains three and a half pounds
1:57:57
of copper and a couple of grams of gold. And
1:57:59
then just let nature take its course. Just let
1:58:03
nature take its course. Just gonna throw that
1:58:06
out there as your next, you know, campaign, marketing
1:58:11
campaign. So that one's for free. I won't even
1:58:13
charge you for that one. Here's the clip from
1:58:15
it. I do like the fact that what you were saying,
1:58:18
how the city council was like, well, we don't
1:58:20
want to reward them by putting them back up.
1:58:22
Basically, that was them saying, well, you guys
1:58:25
didn't win. We just we're just retreating for
1:58:29
the moment. Right. Well, it's funny. I mean,
1:58:31
put them back up. That same guy is probably just
1:58:32
going to take them back to when the Lord's there's
1:58:36
been there was a city I saw in Texas and they're
1:58:40
like, They're like, okay, Acosta's, you know,
1:58:44
basically by them removing flock, because, because
1:58:46
the cameras kept getting taken down so much,
1:58:48
it was so costly for them to replace them that
1:58:50
he's like, Oh, I'm going to save the county $40
1:58:53
,000 by this contract because of all of the vandalism.
1:58:58
Um, and it's so, it's, and I just want to make
1:59:02
this abundantly clear. It's so unfortunate that
1:59:05
these, these council members and, and, and well,
1:59:09
well, I'll call them the leaders. We were just
1:59:12
talking about that. But they don't even, they
1:59:17
don't even glorious leaders. They don't even,
1:59:20
they don't even listen to, to the people. And
1:59:23
so the fact that people are saying, this is my
1:59:26
only recourse is, is terrible. And it's a reflection
1:59:31
of, of these council members that are not willing
1:59:36
to serve the people. They're serving their own
1:59:38
interests. They're serving the idea of give police
1:59:43
everything they ask for in the name of public
1:59:46
safety. And it's disgusting. At the end of the
1:59:51
day, I don't know how to describe it other than
1:59:53
it's disgusting. that people have to take it
1:59:57
into their own hands. Those who would give up
2:00:00
essential liberty to purchase a little temporary
2:00:02
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. That's
2:00:05
a Ben Franklin quote. By the way, this guy is
2:00:07
Jerome Christensen, the guy we're hearing. He's
2:00:09
a Winona City Council member, Jerome Christensen.
2:00:11
Brush out and buy new cameras. Just let it settle
2:00:14
down. It'll go away. As soon as the football
2:00:17
season starts, if the Vikings start... The sad
2:00:20
thing is that he's not... Entirely wrong people
2:00:23
have Yeah, they have people have short attention
2:00:27
spans and they have a small bandwidth and that
2:00:30
goes back to what Tyler was saying earlier when
2:00:31
he says Flock is sort of the net, you know There's
2:00:34
there's multiple different brands multiple different
2:00:36
companies multiple different issues going on
2:00:37
here But flocks kind of the rallying cry because
2:00:40
it's sort of a catch -all because people don't
2:00:42
have the bandwidth for anything else Which then
2:00:45
kind of segues us perfectly back into where we
2:00:47
started this conversation, which was like with
2:00:50
mayor Westlin in Post Falls, where he issues
2:00:53
a statement. And it's cool. It sounds good. And
2:00:56
I think I know Randy Westlin. In fact, when I
2:01:00
ran the racketeer cigar lounge, we backed his
2:01:03
campaign for city council actively. And we actually
2:01:06
thought we were going to get crushed. I did.
2:01:08
Anyways, apparently they knew something I didn't.
2:01:11
And he won. And so that was really cool. We were
2:01:13
a part of that. So I actually backed his campaign
2:01:14
for that and backed his campaign for mayor, you
2:01:17
know, financially for the city council member,
2:01:19
not so much for mayor because I was in a different
2:01:20
position at the time. But I know the guy personally,
2:01:24
I know the community he's a part of and a decent
2:01:27
dude, very bright and about as close to a stalwart,
2:01:31
more conventional conservative as you're ever,
2:01:34
ever going to get as a mayor. But even this guy.
2:01:38
Yeah. Can't get rid of the surveillance in Post
2:01:41
Falls this guy and a fairly conservative City
2:01:44
Council I might add with Joe Malloy on there
2:01:46
who I also know and who is a good friend and
2:01:48
a cigar smoker like you're talking about a City
2:01:51
Council and a mayor who are close to as conservative
2:01:53
as you ever ever get in a town that size Maybe
2:01:56
the most They will never get rid of the surveillance
2:01:59
because they can't for one reason or another
2:02:00
there's always gonna be an excuse or a contract
2:02:02
They can't break or whatever or the police got
2:02:05
to have whatever the police got to have. And
2:02:07
that's the problem with conservatives is if the
2:02:08
police say jump, the conservatives go, yes, sir.
2:02:10
And then when you jump, please land on my neck
2:02:13
when you come back down. And then this same conservative
2:02:17
city council and mayor are saying, yeah, now
2:02:19
we also have to tax everybody to the tune of
2:02:21
9 % to make up for all this other stuff that's
2:02:24
not our faults. I don't care how conservative
2:02:27
you say you are. If you're in the apparatus,
2:02:29
there's only so much you can do to slow down
2:02:31
or stop the apparatus. It's a losing thing which
2:02:36
then takes me to my next the next segue and where
2:02:39
I think I want to I think we ought to end this
2:02:41
podcast on on this is A and this is for for you
2:02:45
Tyler in particular. So we got you here a What
2:02:49
do we do? From here, like where do we go? What
2:02:53
do we do? What have you you know? What do you
2:02:55
find that is working maybe versus what's not
2:02:57
working? What tactics work? What don't you know?
2:02:59
What do we do? And then is there hope? Yeah,
2:03:04
so the thing is a lot of people are against these
2:03:07
and and and we have I think an overwhelming community
2:03:11
support I Initially was very You know faithful
2:03:19
like had to stop that. Okay, maybe some councils
2:03:22
will take some pressure and do things correctly
2:03:28
And we haven't seen that, right? I have not seen
2:03:31
one council other than, well, Jerome canceled
2:03:35
theirs. They had the police were asking for money
2:03:38
for Flock and they didn't do it. Salmon put in
2:03:43
a resolution to not to stop him, but basically
2:03:49
to require council approval to do it. essentially
2:03:54
blocking the back doorways these have been going
2:03:57
in, whether it be with grants or just coming
2:04:01
below procurement requirements. And then Clearwater
2:04:05
County did cancel theirs when the new sheriff
2:04:08
took over. So we have seen these small wins in
2:04:13
smaller areas. but we haven't seen any big striking
2:04:19
winds with like, you know, I was hopeful that
2:04:22
maybe twin falls. But I think keeping pressure
2:04:27
on the city councils has been good. It's creating
2:04:32
a conversation. The next thing, big thing, and
2:04:37
you know, I've talked with like Idaho Freedom
2:04:39
Foundation. There's a lot of. pressure within
2:04:45
the legislature to do something this session.
2:04:50
That was going to be my next question. Is there
2:04:52
any hope of or momentum behind a statewide effort?
2:04:56
My really big worry with them is that they aren't
2:05:02
going to do a complete ban. My worry is we already
2:05:08
have garbage for what our law is that 49 1432.
2:05:17
What they're going to do, I don't know. But like
2:05:20
I've said, there's really no safe way to regulate
2:05:23
this. And so what I'm hopeful for is that maybe
2:05:29
we could push, you know, obviously, like, I can't
2:05:33
push, but, you know, we can be very vocal about
2:05:38
trying to push a complete ban. When the legislation
2:05:42
session opens, I'm going to try to get thousands
2:05:45
of people on the steps to go and protest this,
2:05:49
to really show that we don't want this. And I've
2:05:53
never even done it, gone and protested something,
2:05:55
but this is something that we need to be protesting.
2:05:59
I mean, there's absolutely no reason that the
2:06:01
government should be tracking everywhere we go.
2:06:03
um and creating searchable databases and not
2:06:06
even just searchable databases but databases
2:06:08
that predict where you're going to be at certain
2:06:10
times of the day or or where you went based on
2:06:13
you know creating heat maps where you might be
2:06:15
based off of where you've been and and where
2:06:18
you're going do you think you this could be a
2:06:21
bipartisan effort in the state legislature and
2:06:23
i and then it is i mean i've talked i've talked
2:06:25
to democrats i've talked to i've talked to um
2:06:29
you know republicans independents most I mean
2:06:33
it seems like a lot of people are against it
2:06:35
that the problem is is there so many moderates
2:06:38
and those are the people that I that I fear is
2:06:40
this is this moderate these people that are very
2:06:43
soft on every issue like for example I mean with
2:06:47
Twin Falls they wouldn't pass a total ban but
2:06:50
they were willing to to to amend it to where
2:06:54
if the state does, you know, if the state bans
2:06:58
it, they'll, they'll be in compliance within
2:07:00
seven days here. I have a twin false clip. Let
2:07:04
me play it. Twin falls signed off on a spending
2:07:06
plan worth more than 96 .5 million dollars. City
2:07:10
council approved the budget for the next fiscal
2:07:11
year and a unanimous seven to zero vote. Council
2:07:15
members also moved ahead with the city's flock
2:07:18
license plate reader contract. That contract
2:07:21
was approved in a six to one vote, but with some
2:07:23
restrictions. First, the AI and machine learning
2:07:27
piece of the equipment will be turned off. Second,
2:07:30
the national search feature will also stay on.
2:07:32
Flip the switch. The national search feature
2:07:34
will also stay on, unless Twin Falls police say
2:07:37
they need it for a local crime investigation.
2:07:40
Unless they need it. Wait, so we'll turn it off
2:07:43
until we need it, then we'll turn it on. But
2:07:45
you won't know whether or not we turned it back
2:07:47
off. While a requirement for quarterly reporting
2:07:50
was not formally included in the motion, city
2:07:53
staff told council it'll provide periodic reports
2:07:56
are being used during open council also clarified
2:08:01
the cont in the future. This comes Idaho chair
2:08:07
filed a torc Twin Falls is allowing flo of license
2:08:12
plates to imp violating Idaho law. And extensively.
2:08:17
These camera Don't worry. We're gonna use it
2:08:27
properly Flip the switch citizen now go watch
2:08:31
your sports ball team Yeah, yeah, we'll flip
2:08:33
the switch back if the Vikings post up, you know
2:08:36
a record above 500 So as we walk around Idaho
2:08:40
if we start seeing flock cameras hacked down
2:08:43
everywhere We're gonna know that the Seahawks
2:08:45
are having a losing season So but Twin Falls,
2:08:51
I mean they had hundreds of Thousands of searches
2:08:54
because they were sharing federally and and it
2:08:56
took us doing a records request We did a records
2:08:58
request said hey, who are you sharing with and
2:09:00
what are the give me three months of? searches
2:09:03
from external searches and and Just an absolute
2:09:08
garbage mess of searches were being done Florida
2:09:13
Fish and Wildlife Commission was searching for
2:09:16
on behalf of ice for immigration. Why is the
2:09:20
why is the Fishing Game Commission in Florida
2:09:23
searching Twin Falls data for non criminal ice
2:09:26
complaints. I don't I don't know. It's beyond
2:09:29
me Like an epidemic of illegal immigrants fishing
2:09:33
without a license Slow the spread So, I mean,
2:09:39
the stuff we found in there and then they go
2:09:43
into these concessions, right? And so, you know,
2:09:45
there was like, there was tons of hundreds of
2:09:48
thousands of searches for traffic infractions,
2:09:51
which isn't even allowed to happen. Like you
2:09:53
can't even search flock data in Idaho or ALPR
2:09:56
data in Idaho for traffic incidences. It has
2:10:00
to be a misdemeanor or felony. But they give
2:10:05
these things as a concession. It's like they're
2:10:07
trying to throw us peasants' bread or something.
2:10:11
They're like, oh, our concession is to remove
2:10:15
the national share. Well, you were doing it illegally
2:10:19
to start with. Well, and how do you know they've
2:10:23
actually done it? That's the other thing. There's
2:10:24
no accountability. There's no audit. We had to
2:10:27
do a record. They just tell you they shut it
2:10:29
off, and you have to go, OK, I believe you. Right
2:10:33
and you know the proof that we have because there's
2:10:35
a box that they check on flock and flock Purposely
2:10:39
ops in so when you when when a city gets flock
2:10:43
that box is pre checked So unless they know and
2:10:46
uncheck it Anyone can access their data and especially
2:10:51
where we do. I mean, it's a weak law, but we
2:10:53
do have a law You know, in other states, if you
2:10:57
look at some of the searches that happen in other
2:10:59
states, it's like expired registration. And it's
2:11:03
like, so you're using this system because someone
2:11:06
has expired tags on their vehicle and you're
2:11:10
searching for them. Oh, their driver's license
2:11:14
is expired. We're going to see if they drove.
2:11:17
And these are the searches that are happening
2:11:19
and it's the real reality of what's happening
2:11:21
across the state. Scott Herndon did a post where
2:11:28
he was saying, essentially Idaho already banned
2:11:32
red light cameras, stoplight cameras. So why
2:11:36
are we participating in this ALPR system? It's
2:11:42
the same thing just under a different... And
2:11:46
for anybody who might not know, Scott Herndon
2:11:48
represents, well, he will represent if he's voted
2:11:50
in in November. Right now he's running as a conservative
2:11:54
Republican candidate out of District 1. That's
2:11:56
my district here, Legislative District 1 up in
2:11:58
Idaho for Senate, Idaho State Senate. He's been
2:12:02
in that seat before and him and Jim Woodward
2:12:05
have sort of like alternated in that seat a couple
2:12:07
of times with oil and water between the two.
2:12:10
They both call themselves conservative, but Jim
2:12:12
Woodward's no conservative. Scott Herndon tends
2:12:14
to be on the ball when it comes to things like
2:12:17
like the this flock camera stuff and property
2:12:19
taxes and things of that nature of course he
2:12:21
gets a lot of flack for it because the establishment
2:12:23
does not like that fellow which is why I like
2:12:26
him well that's who Scott Herndon is the reason
2:12:29
for all of it is the same reason that when you
2:12:31
meet an individual KTVB talking head at a city
2:12:35
council meeting, she might be perfectly pleasant
2:12:37
or maybe even in line with you philosophically,
2:12:41
but the apparatus is reptilian and relentless.
2:12:43
The exact same thing applies with individual
2:12:45
city council members or Mayor Randy Westland
2:12:48
or Scott Herndon. The apparatus itself is reptilian
2:12:51
and relentless. It's hard. I think the saying
2:12:57
literally is you can't fight city hall. Or it's
2:13:00
really hard to fight City Hall. And poor Tyler
2:13:04
is learning it the hard way. But that doesn't
2:13:07
mean that we stop fighting. Not at all. And as
2:13:09
a matter of fact, maybe this would be a good
2:13:11
time to play from your hometown, from Wilder.
2:13:14
This is again KTVB. As we wait for President
2:13:17
Donald Trump to release his stance on automated
2:13:20
license plate reader cameras, one Idaho man hopes
2:13:23
his petition will lead to the technology being
2:13:26
banned in his community. Welcome to the news
2:13:28
at 10. I'm Morgan Romero, Aspen Schumper joining
2:13:30
us now in studio Aspen. It sounds like Wilder
2:13:32
could become the first Idaho city to ban these
2:13:36
cameras. Yeah, that's right. This man says no
2:13:38
amount of safeguards will solve what he sees
2:13:40
as the real problem. Calling it mass surveillance
2:13:42
that needs to be All right, right there. We're
2:13:46
going to break this down for a sec. Did you see
2:13:48
how they prefaced it? What he sees as problems
2:13:51
and calls it, quote, mass surveillance, end quote.
2:13:57
But let's see what this crazy has to say. Which,
2:14:00
of course, it's not an opinion. You can say it's
2:14:03
good, but what it's described as, it is surveillance.
2:14:07
I just love that that's the preference is what
2:14:09
he sees as mass surveillance. No motherfucker.
2:14:12
It's objectively mass surveillance. It is literally
2:14:15
objectively factually mass surveillance. He just
2:14:19
that's what he calls it. You're just driving
2:14:21
to the store. You're just driving. So this is
2:14:23
where this is pretty meta. We're going to hear
2:14:24
Tyler on top of Tyler. On the corner is tin foil
2:14:29
hat wearer Tyler Kane talking about what he sees
2:14:32
as mass surveillance. More at 11. It's inception.
2:14:37
You're just driving to the store. You're just
2:14:39
driving to church. They track anyone that drives
2:14:43
past them indiscriminately. Did you hear that
2:14:45
now? You know what they call that, Tyler, when
2:14:47
they do, you know, like they're emphasizing?
2:14:49
Driving to church. So you're driving to church
2:14:53
and then they turn way up the sound of a car
2:14:55
going by. That's called a nat pop. They track
2:14:57
anyone that drives past them indiscriminately.
2:15:00
Automated license plate readers have become common
2:15:02
in police departments across the country. The
2:15:05
cameras photograph ev logging the location, time
2:15:10
into searchable databases. L tell us it's a tool
2:15:14
that on your misdemeanor crimes find missing
2:15:19
people. But t drawn fierce opposition f members,
2:15:23
including wilder Cain to say that that now w
2:15:28
just because the technolo mean we should. Fourth
2:15:32
ame Unreasonable searches and seizures over the
2:15:37
last three years 16 idaho agencies that we've
2:15:40
been You had you had a i'm sure you had a good
2:15:42
follow -up to that Yeah, how like that's what
2:15:45
like a like a 60 second 80 second answer and
2:15:48
they include like how heavily i've had I've had
2:15:52
hour -long Interviews and i'm like man that went
2:15:55
that went really well and then they use five
2:15:57
seconds. I'm like, why did I waste my time? And
2:16:03
we're over here going, mainstream media, dude.
2:16:08
Yeah, mainstream media. This is extremely dangerous
2:16:10
to our democracy. over the last three years agencies
2:16:16
that we've been started using the technolo are
2:16:20
stalking. I think it violation and I think it
2:16:24
privacy and even further trust with the police
2:16:29
depa reported came the co found first started
2:16:34
voicing his year. After discovering th bought
2:16:38
and installed flock without counsel's approva
2:16:42
A move. Idaho's attorney office says didn't requi
2:16:48
public comment. And that's road. I think there
2:16:50
needs when we're putting these a petition and
2:16:54
gathered enou thinking more like public and feathering
2:16:59
her city c to adopt language banning No, first
2:17:11
off, I don't want the voters to decide that shit
2:17:13
either just because nine and out of ten people
2:17:15
decide they want to be surveilled doesn't mean
2:17:17
I want to be surveilled. Fuck them. No. No. King
2:17:22
Paul, glorious burrito supreme leader Paul Manducci.
2:17:26
Paul Michael Banducci says, no, thank you. Who
2:17:29
wants to just be left alone? Super King light
2:17:31
of me. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, screw you guys.
2:17:34
I'm going home. Or let voters decide. The petition
2:17:38
doesn't stop at just banning ALPRs, but it bans
2:17:41
facial recognition and predictive policing systems
2:17:44
too. It would allow security cameras for city
2:17:47
property, but requires city council approval
2:17:49
for any new surveillance technology and mandates
2:17:52
data be stored locally with access logs, not
2:17:55
on a third party cloud. This comes just a week
2:17:58
after flock safety. The company behind Wilder's
2:18:00
cameras announced it's creating new safeguards
2:18:03
aimed at addressing privacy concerns. Starting
2:18:05
January 1st, data will only be held for a week
2:18:08
instead of a month unless it's tied to an open
2:18:10
investigation and kept longer. There will also
2:18:13
be a new system. you have to do is deem anything
2:18:17
and everything an open investigation. It's an
2:18:19
open investigation for it indefinitely. Well,
2:18:21
they've always been able to just download. They
2:18:23
can just download the data. So flock. Yeah, flock
2:18:25
like only retains the data for so long, but they
2:18:29
can just click a button. I think mass like download
2:18:32
everything. And it even says that like like right.
2:18:37
And so they only really own like when we talk
2:18:40
about them owning the data is like really they
2:18:42
only own the data and the fact that One, they
2:18:46
can download it and two, they can access it.
2:18:49
But if you read a Flock contract, it even goes
2:18:51
like any work product made by their system is
2:18:55
expressively retained and owned by Flock. It's
2:18:58
ridiculous. And then they even purposely frame
2:19:03
everything as customer data. Yeah, I love that.
2:19:06
The customer owns customer data. We were talking
2:19:08
about that. Just the other day, weren't we, Scott,
2:19:11
about how I think it was just last podcast I
2:19:13
told the story. Your payment. Yes. I got nicked
2:19:17
for a late payment on an Idaho income tax. We're
2:19:20
shutting off your water. A little too late. Oh,
2:19:23
they didn't threaten to shut off my water. No,
2:19:25
no. They threatened to seize my home, garnish
2:19:27
my wages, and take my cars for $130 in late payment.
2:19:31
You would have had it easy, Tyler, with just
2:19:33
no running water. Seriously. Yeah. Get bent,
2:19:36
Tyler. You think you've got problems? I've got
2:19:39
problems. Yeah. But at the end, that was the
2:19:40
best at the end of it. When I paid online, they
2:19:45
sent the next page that popped up. Boop was a
2:19:49
tell us how we did survey. I could rate them
2:19:52
one. I could rate the Idaho State Tax Commission
2:19:54
one to five stars on their service. I think it
2:19:57
was a how do you rate our services? I gave him
2:20:03
a three would not recommend except for once a
2:20:06
year. Yeah. It's really an ungrateful customer.
2:20:09
Yet another one. It felt like theft, but three
2:20:13
stars. This is the last of this KTVB clip on
2:20:15
Wilder. There will also be a new system that
2:20:17
will lock out users who searches display abnormal
2:20:20
activity to cut back on abuse by normal activity.
2:20:24
Like searching for your ex -wife's SUV. Who gets
2:20:26
to decide what that is? Yeah. Oh, you know who
2:20:29
gets to decide. I think there's no acceptable
2:20:31
level of safeguard. It should require a warrant
2:20:34
and it should be an individualized warrant, not
2:20:36
a mass surveillance system. The city's police
2:20:40
department says it has no further comment at
2:20:42
this time. The City Council has 30 days to vote
2:20:45
on it by September 5th. Morgan, if Council chooses
2:20:48
to reject the petition and not adopt the language
2:20:50
or not vote on it in time, then per Idaho code,
2:20:54
the question will be placed on the November 2027
2:20:56
ballot left up to voters to decide. Yeah, but
2:21:00
you better vote correctly or otherwise we'll
2:21:01
put it back on the next ballot until you do.
2:21:04
This issue in Wilder has been hashtag vote harder.
2:21:06
Obviously, this is garnering a lot of national
2:21:07
attention right now. But I know Aspen, you've
2:21:09
been covering the issue in Wilder for a while.
2:21:11
Yeah, those concerns and Wilder really started
2:21:13
this year as residents were noticing these cameras
2:21:16
going live. All right, Aspen. Thank you. Yeah.
2:21:21
So I from from So, okay, so the last council
2:21:26
meeting, there was a council member that brought
2:21:27
forth an ordinance that would require any sort
2:21:31
of surveillance technology and it was even forward
2:21:34
thinking kind of like my ordinances to where
2:21:38
it would ban, you know, sort of biometric tracking,
2:21:41
you know, stuff like that. It wouldn't ban them,
2:21:45
but it would require that the council uh be the
2:21:50
one to approve it so where like we had the police
2:21:53
chief and the mayor doing it and one of the council
2:21:55
members was saying well we shouldn't be putting
2:21:58
up department heads in that we don't trust and
2:22:01
that essentially these should be department head
2:22:04
decisions on that mass surveillance and yeah
2:22:07
it was crazy unelected bureaucrats council members
2:22:11
They don't want to be the ones to have to make
2:22:14
the decision because they mostly agree with these
2:22:18
surveillance systems, but they don't want to
2:22:20
lose their seats by being on the record as voting
2:22:23
for it. That's why they do this. This is a delegation
2:22:25
of responsibility. Right. And so I don't know
2:22:28
what the council is going to vote. I mean, I
2:22:30
suspect there's at least one council member that
2:22:33
might vote no or might vote for it. The rest
2:22:38
I have I have zero clue how they're going to
2:22:40
vote. But I mean, hopefully, I mean, if they
2:22:44
vote, if they vote yes, and these are gone, then
2:22:46
great. I mean, if they vote no, it goes on the
2:22:48
ballot and hopefully the voters vote correctly.
2:22:52
It'll be November of 27. And I mean, it'll be,
2:22:59
maybe there'll be a better voter turnout because
2:23:01
there'll be a mayor race. And I think a couple
2:23:03
council seats will be open. So, I mean, it'd
2:23:10
be interesting to see this is one of the we were
2:23:12
talking about how to be involved. And I don't
2:23:16
think we can just sit here and wait for to, you
2:23:19
know, hope that the legislature does something
2:23:22
to hope that the, you know, city councils are
2:23:26
going to do something. Thankfully, in Idaho,
2:23:28
we do have the power to petition. This is going
2:23:32
back. I've never done any of this stuff before.
2:23:35
I've literally had to learn how to build an ordinance.
2:23:38
I was watching, and it's so funny, I was watching
2:23:42
one of the council members when that other ordinance
2:23:46
was presented that would require at least them
2:23:49
to vote on it in the future. She was looking
2:23:54
that over with the city attorney before the meeting
2:23:56
and she was, there's. I don't know if you've
2:23:59
ever seen an ordinance and particularly in Idaho,
2:24:03
you can use like whereas statements. So you'll
2:24:05
be like, whereas I find mass surveillance disgusting,
2:24:08
whereas I find this unconstitutional. You could
2:24:11
write really whatever. But she was like, why
2:24:13
does it have all these words? And I'm like looking
2:24:17
at her and I'm like, I'm like, how do you not
2:24:20
like, how are you a council member and you don't
2:24:22
understand like the basic like function of how
2:24:25
an ordinance is built. But why male models? It's
2:24:34
the people that we allow to be in these positions,
2:24:37
they're not educated in what they're doing. Like
2:24:40
we're talking about, they think department heads
2:24:43
should be making decisions for the community.
2:24:46
When we elected them to be the one to make decisions,
2:24:48
we never elected the police chief. The police
2:24:50
chief was put into that position by the mayor.
2:24:57
um so it'll be interesting uh it's on the on
2:25:00
the first september uh september first is when
2:25:02
they'll vote um and i mean it'll be really telling
2:25:07
you know so that's uh that's just a week away
2:25:10
or less yeah yeah it's exactly a week away hey
2:25:13
how fitting so one week from now we'll have a
2:25:15
well uh we'll see how that goes huh yeah it's
2:25:19
exciting um it you know there's a lot of work
2:25:21
i had to get i i mean 60 so the initial signatures
2:25:25
you need 20 um, 20 signatures. I, I had somewhere
2:25:29
around 30, uh, when I submitted my first set
2:25:33
of signatures. Um, but, and then it goes through
2:25:36
the process. There's a bunch of things that have
2:25:38
to go on. And then at the end, um, you need 20
2:25:42
% of the registered voters, uh, or not registered.
2:25:46
It's 20 % of who voted in the last city election.
2:25:49
Um, I need 13, 13 signatures. And so, and we've
2:25:57
we've I've seen because there's there's been
2:25:59
interest in repeating this in other cities. So,
2:26:04
like CUNA might be doing one same with Twin Falls.
2:26:09
So, there's interest across the state to basically
2:26:12
repeat that. I think Gooding County. So, it's
2:26:15
a good way to get involved and it's a good time
2:26:17
to do ones at municipal levels just with the
2:26:22
way. The timing because it has to go on that
2:26:26
odd numbered here After this election right now
2:26:30
this election cycle. It might be good to target
2:26:32
a county Because then you would be targeting
2:26:35
the 28 election and so This is a good way that
2:26:42
that at least at least at the end of the day
2:26:45
the people are getting a say in What's going
2:26:48
on because the elected officials aren't giving
2:26:50
us a say and I'm like I was saying I don't know
2:26:53
if I said it but I was thinking about saying
2:26:55
it but at least in Idaho we do have this power
2:26:58
because there's tons of other States in places
2:27:03
that don't have the power to do this, to petition,
2:27:06
to put something on the ballot. It's kind of
2:27:10
a hard process. Like if you saw like that, there
2:27:13
was that weed one that failed statewide, but
2:27:16
they weren't doing, there's like, and it's how
2:27:19
ridiculous bureaucracy is, is like you have to
2:27:21
put in 20 point thought, like certain words in
2:27:25
a certain part on a page. And if you don't do
2:27:28
that, it's invalid. If you go up to the podium
2:27:32
and don't tell them your full name, they drag
2:27:34
you out of the meeting. Or if you put John Hancock
2:27:37
as your name, they won't let you speak. They'll
2:27:39
get you on procedural grounds if they can. Yeah.
2:27:42
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, for sure. And so, yeah, it's
2:27:45
to protect themselves. But I spent a lot of time
2:27:48
educating myself on how voters initiatives work
2:27:52
to be able to execute it seamlessly. And it was
2:27:55
actually funny where to where I was having to
2:27:58
like, like there was like a month long where
2:28:00
I was fighting the city to get a proper, like
2:28:03
I had to make a qualified form to be able to
2:28:07
submit to them to get it started. And then the
2:28:10
city kept giving me forms that didn't even comply
2:28:13
with Idaho law. And I kept having to tell. You
2:28:16
know the the city clerk and it took like a month
2:28:19
to get a proper approved form and I'm like I'm
2:28:22
like dude and at some point it got so Ridiculous
2:28:25
that I did it for them. I did it like I was like
2:28:28
I already have the formatting. I'll just, when
2:28:31
I get time, I'll do it and I did it and I sent
2:28:33
it to them. And instead of sending me just all
2:28:36
they had to do was take that same form and send
2:28:38
it back. Instead, instead they changed it and
2:28:42
they changed it to where it still didn't meet
2:28:44
the requirements of Idaho code. And so I had
2:28:46
to go back, I had to go back and be like, and
2:28:49
be like, fix this. And then, and finally they
2:28:52
did, but it was like a month, month and a half
2:28:53
long process of going back and forth. Give me
2:28:56
an approved form. that meets the legal requirements
2:28:59
of what you're supposed to give. Like I had to
2:29:01
threaten to go to court. I'm like, I'm like,
2:29:03
it's ironic because it's basically you, you've
2:29:07
experienced what we all, anybody who's like run
2:29:08
a business or had to do anything with the government
2:29:10
of any sort of nature like this, we've all experienced
2:29:13
the version of it. It's malicious compliance,
2:29:16
but it's, it's even more ironic coming from the
2:29:19
state itself, maliciously complying and kind
2:29:23
of in a, in a very much non -compliant way with
2:29:26
their own code. their own bullshit and laws that
2:29:30
they force us to use and then they wield it against
2:29:34
us like times two and they do different ways
2:29:37
and they do so in a sort of a bumbling and and
2:29:41
they don't know what the hell they're doing they
2:29:43
don't know they don't know whether to flip or
2:29:44
fall in it it takes two and a half weeks but
2:29:47
meanwhile when you owe them 15 cents for a parking
2:29:49
ticket they are Johnny on the spot man you better
2:29:52
believe that that notice is gonna show up in
2:29:54
your mailbox right on time Oh dude, we always
2:29:57
used to say the moment you think nobody cares
2:29:59
about you just miss a tax payment They do care
2:30:07
Let me think we're bumping up against it and
2:30:10
I have other stuff, but I think you know in the
2:30:12
interest of time I think we can call it and just
2:30:14
make this a really a truly just a flock show
2:30:16
is great I wanted to play this quickly because
2:30:18
I think I'm sure you've not heard anything along
2:30:20
these lines Tyler I got a note from Debbie from
2:30:23
rathrum this week who said Who is governor pervert
2:30:26
that you keep referring to? And so I want I wanted
2:30:30
to address that because I think it actually kind
2:30:31
of fits with the overall theme here, which is
2:30:33
like this. All of this is sort of a perversion
2:30:36
of a. a representative republic, a land where,
2:30:41
decency, a land where liberty is supposedly one
2:30:44
of the highest, if not the highest value, says
2:30:46
it on our freaking coins, as referenced earlier.
2:30:49
This is all a perversion. It's all an inversion
2:30:51
of what should be in a free land. And that's
2:30:55
Governor Brad Little. And the reason it's fine
2:30:57
to go back and revisit it, because it's from
2:31:00
way back in episode 11, Cuts Before People, and
2:31:03
that was from the state of this state. that governor
2:31:06
little gave when he was reelected in in january
2:31:09
there and this is the sound drop that it comes
2:31:12
from to pervert to pervert to pervert i pulled
2:31:15
the full sentence and so tyler you'll you'll
2:31:18
like this too and this is this is one of those
2:31:20
instances where the truth wants to come out you'll
2:31:22
hear it all the time from well from everybody
2:31:25
but you know politicians and bureaucrats you'll
2:31:26
hear it from mainstream media talking heads the
2:31:28
truth wants to come out this is the actual sentence
2:31:31
unedited as uttered by governor little into a
2:31:34
microphone Idaho is evolving. However, through
2:31:37
the change, we must commit ourselves to pervert
2:31:41
to preserving our state as the place where opportunity
2:31:45
thrives. He was trying to say to preserve Idaho,
2:31:50
but it came out as pervert. To pervert. That's
2:31:54
the reference. And this is all this stuff. At
2:31:57
some point, even the reptiles know that this
2:31:59
stuff is wrong. that this is an inversion and
2:32:02
they they they head up a reptilian apparatus,
2:32:05
even though to an individual like a mayor, Randy
2:32:07
Westland, they've they are varied in their demeanor.
2:32:14
Yeah, truly, to round back to where Tyler started
2:32:18
today, he said the word, I think he said the
2:32:21
word pre crime. Yeah. And immediately I thought
2:32:24
of the story minority report. immediately and
2:32:27
was just like you know 1984 gets a lot of attention
2:32:30
and of course nobody really listens for Fahrenheit
2:32:32
451 gets a lot of attention a brave new world
2:32:35
gets a lot of attention and those are all works
2:32:37
that should get a lot of attention but the one
2:32:40
that tends to fly under the radar that actually
2:32:42
might be the one we find ourselves in minority
2:32:45
report Pre -crime pre -crime 24 7 mass surveillance,
2:32:50
which real quick I'm gonna I gotta throw this
2:32:53
in because I did do a little bit of the legwork
2:32:55
I was gonna do a Scott shots today if we could
2:32:57
fit it in I know we couldn't really but I'm gonna
2:33:00
shoehorn it in anyways. It's a quick one. Okay,
2:33:02
I looked up what percentage Wait a minute. I
2:33:05
don't get my intro. Wait a minute. Wait, wait,
2:33:07
wait, I don't get my intro. I got a stretch.
2:33:09
All right Alright, hold on. Come on, dude. I'm
2:33:12
gonna pull a hammy, man. You're right. No, you're
2:33:14
right. I don't want you to hurt yourself. I'm
2:33:15
gonna bust my Achilles, dude. I gotta get up
2:33:17
and get on my exercise ball. Hey! Oh, man! Let's
2:33:20
go! See some jumping jacks. Right in the feels.
2:33:22
I gotta stretch, pull my arm across my chest.
2:33:25
Pull my other arm across my chest. Woo! Let's
2:33:30
go! What are you, Sandy Koufax? Let's go! Oh
2:33:32
yeah, I'm pitching out of the windup. Big leg
2:33:35
kick! Yeah! Alright! We're dropping all the sports
2:33:38
ball references now. Send it. Okay. It's not
2:33:43
that impressive because I couldn't get all the
2:33:44
answers I wanted, but it's fine enough and it
2:33:46
fits right in with what we're talking about.
2:33:48
I Googled about 18 different ways. Like how much
2:33:51
surveillance do we experience in America? What
2:33:53
percentage of our day is surveilled in America?
2:33:57
How many people, like what percentage of the
2:33:59
population is under constant surveillance in
2:34:01
America and so on and so forth. You guys get
2:34:03
the idea. I Googled about eight, nine, 10 different
2:34:06
prompts. And the answer came back, worded differently
2:34:10
every time, but it was the same. And the answer
2:34:13
was 24 -7, always. Always. There is no time in
2:34:19
our lives right now in which we are not surveilled.
2:34:22
So then I was like, okay, what does that look
2:34:26
like? And who said, well, it's a combination
2:34:30
of government surveillance in the form of warrantless
2:34:32
searches via your phone, your computer, your
2:34:35
iPad, your yada, yada, yada, data brokers that
2:34:37
are oftentimes government. But they're also a
2:34:40
private sector and third party. And they all
2:34:42
work together and pass data back and forth and
2:34:44
sell data back and forth. It's biometric and
2:34:46
street tracking, which can be anything from what
2:34:48
we're talking about, ALPRs. and facial recognition
2:34:52
to everything in between. Our own cars now are
2:34:55
starting to surveil us. That's been going on
2:34:57
the last few years, and that is by law. Now,
2:35:00
cars are being manufactured with things that
2:35:02
surveil where you go, when you were there, and
2:35:05
soon, also now codified into law. Thanks, big
2:35:07
beautiful Bill. They will have potentially facial
2:35:11
recognition type devices that will not allow
2:35:13
you to turn your car on if your car thinks you've
2:35:16
been drinking, you're on drugs, or too stressed
2:35:18
out to drive. or you're on your way to you're
2:35:21
you're organizing a rabble of rebels to head
2:35:23
to a city council meeting where you're going
2:35:24
to gasp attempt to make public comment yeah well
2:35:28
you're pretty worked up when you go so your car
2:35:30
is thinking well hey you're too worked up to
2:35:32
drive you might hurt somebody so you got to stay
2:35:34
home don't forget you also you left out a key
2:35:37
one yeah don't forget about uh state representatives
2:35:40
observing us in public restrooms from behind
2:35:42
two -way mirrors I've seen people in every way
2:35:44
shape or form all over the world going to the
2:35:46
bathroom If your name is John Hancock, they're
2:35:49
not gonna let you drive that was just Behavior
2:35:54
profiling app and device tracking. Of course,
2:35:57
we have our phones on us all the time You've
2:35:59
got the ring stuff on your doors. You've got
2:36:01
it doesn't mean basically it is 24 7. It's private
2:36:05
Sector, it's public sector and it's an unholy
2:36:08
alliance between the two. So That was pretty
2:36:11
wild then I was like, okay. Well what percentage
2:36:13
it said 100 % digital tracking public cameras
2:36:16
workplace monitoring home smart devices Anyways,
2:36:20
um, is there a question? There you go. Yeah.
2:36:23
No that I asked I answered the question. Okay
2:36:28
Paul got it right. We're surveilled around the
2:36:30
clock. Good times. Well, that's what I told you.
2:36:32
It was a crappy Scott shot. I was looking for
2:36:35
a setup, but I couldn't get the setup because
2:36:37
every prompt gave me the same answer. And it
2:36:40
was the obvious self -evident answer. It was
2:36:42
like, hey, government, are you tracking us 100
2:36:44
% of the time? No. Yep. Oh, wait. Yep. In this
2:36:47
case, yep. OK. Minority report. We live in it
2:36:54
already. Take that, Tom Cruise. Eat your heart
2:36:56
out. All right, let's call it a show. This is
2:37:01
episode number 43 of No ID in the Can. Okay,
2:37:04
we'll do a little, us glorious leaders up here
2:37:07
on the dais will make the call for what to call
2:37:10
the title, the show title. I have transparency.
2:37:12
You should let Tyler pick. I'm going, okay, good.
2:37:14
Well, all right, fine. We'll let the citizen
2:37:15
have a comment. Geez. Transparency Portal, tyranny
2:37:19
is a software patch away or real time crime?
2:37:24
I like, I don't know. I use that tyranny. Saying
2:37:26
a lot. So I like that one. Okay, it is as long
2:37:29
as normal I second the motion. You know what?
2:37:32
The citizen did it. That's one of my favorite
2:37:34
I love to say that saying like it's one of my
2:37:37
favorites because I was it's so true Honestly,
2:37:40
when I started this, I was like, man, ALPR cameras
2:37:43
are terrible. And I was almost under the impression
2:37:47
like maybe we could legislate this, but at some
2:37:50
point I realized you can't. You know what I mean?
2:37:52
Then you learned about the legislative process
2:37:54
and was like, oh, it's broken. It's all broken.
2:37:56
Yeah, there's no way. We can't safely put guardrails
2:37:59
on mass surveillance. Ever since then, I use
2:38:04
that saying way too often. OK, so you know what?
2:38:08
The show is longer than normal, so so too will
2:38:11
the title be. It makes sense to me. We only have
2:38:13
to have guardrails up until Viking season starts
2:38:16
anyway, so don't even worry about it. Thank you
2:38:24
guys so much for having me. Every city council
2:38:26
member is like, oh my God, I hope our sports
2:38:27
ball team wins this season. We'll have to come
2:38:28
back. Yes, please. It was a pleasure having you.
2:38:31
Thanks, Tyler, for coming on. Yes, we want that.
2:38:34
Yes, for sure. Where can people find which deflock
2:38:37
Idaho, it's just deflock Idaho across everything,
2:38:39
right? All the platforms. Yeah, we mostly use
2:38:44
Instagram and Facebook. I have a YouTube channel
2:38:47
that I don't really use in a tick tock. But yeah,
2:38:49
deflock Idaho anywhere even even the emails deflock
2:38:52
Idaho Gmail if someone wants to doesn't use social
2:38:56
media or something. So if they want to send an
2:38:58
email with follow up questions or anything, they
2:39:00
can, they can email us there. Brilliant. Yeah.
2:39:04
Well, yeah, we greatly appreciate you joining
2:39:05
us and I've been imagining. And for doing the
2:39:07
Lord's work. Yes. And most people I'm sure within
2:39:10
the sound of this show will is probably they're
2:39:13
already following or they clicked the button
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while they were listening to this episode. So
2:39:17
yeah, please support Tyler and those who think
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2:39:43
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2:39:47
And from less surveilled Clark Fork, I'm Paul.
2:39:50
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2:39:56
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