Latest / The Front / Punk fashion goddess Vivienne Westwood gets the NGV blockbuster treatment
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Thanks doing this. That's right, death and destruction from The Australian.
- 0:10Speaker 1: This is the weekend edition of The Front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:15Speaker 1: Vivian Westwood, the designer so daring she made the rest
- 0:19Speaker 1: of fashion look frumpy forever, is the subject of a
- 0:23Speaker 1: new exhibition at the National Gallery of Victoria. The NGV
- 0:27Speaker 1: is one Australian arts institution that always seems to get
- 0:31Speaker 1: it right. Fresh from its blockbuster shows on Japanese artist
- 0:36Speaker 1: Yayoi Kosama, French Impressionism and Gabrielle Coco Chanel, today Culture
- 0:42Speaker 1: editor Milander Rout joins me to discuss why this show,
- 0:46Speaker 1: which also features the work of Comte de Garson visionary
- 0:49Speaker 1: designer Ray Kawakubo, is a summer must see. Milander Route
- 0:56Speaker 1: is The Australian's Culture editor and she's here to talk
- 0:59Speaker 1: about one of the great icons of fashion, Melanda, who
- 1:03Speaker 1: was Vivian Westwood.
- 1:05Speaker 2: Well, she was an extraordinary designer. It kind of came
- 1:07Speaker 2: through London in the punk rock era through her connection
- 1:11Speaker 2: with the Sex Pistols, and so she really represented that
- 1:13Speaker 2: time of change in the eighties and pushing fashion, really
- 1:17Speaker 2: pushing the boundaries on everything.
- 1:22Speaker 1: Stuff stuffy, Yeah. She and one of her husbands, Malcolm McLaren,
- 1:31Speaker 1: the singer from the Sex Pistols, owned a shop in
- 1:34Speaker 1: what was then a very sort of fancy part of
- 1:37Speaker 1: London and it had various names, one of them was Sex.
- 1:42Speaker 1: Great name for a shop. Absolutely, Why was she so different?
- 1:46Speaker 1: What was different about Vivian Westwood? I think she just
- 1:49Speaker 1: really challenged everything. And that's what those amazing fashion designers
- 1:52Speaker 1: which you see in so many fashion exhibitions, they stand
- 1:55Speaker 1: out because they disrupt. From Chanelle who put women in
- 1:59Speaker 1: little black dresses before they couldn't wear black cas it
- 2:02Speaker 1: was something associated with morning, and even putting women in pants.
- 2:05Speaker 1: The fashion designers really do disrupt, and they disrupt what
- 2:08Speaker 1: people wear and what was considered appropriate attire. Westwood came
- 2:18Speaker 1: along in the seventies when fashion was generally relaxing. You know,
- 2:22Speaker 1: people were wearing kaftans, they were wearing their hair out
- 2:24Speaker 1: that already burned their bras, and she kind of brought
- 2:27Speaker 1: back a lot of structured but also kind of shredded
- 2:30Speaker 1: the clothes.
- 2:31Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and she really messed with the feminine shapes
- 2:34Speaker 2: and put people in corsets and giant, huge, massive heels
- 2:39Speaker 2: and obviously that famous scene where Naomi Campbell fell over
- 2:43Speaker 2: on the runway wearing these insane within Westwood shoes.
- 2:47Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do.
- 2:48Speaker 3: I'm wearing rubber stockings, so I couldn't feel my toes
- 2:52Speaker 3: and I couldn't really feel my feet.
- 2:54Speaker 1: And so I went down. But it's okay. I got
- 2:57Speaker 1: back up and I finished my walk.
- 2:59Speaker 2: Afterwards, she told a reporter that she likes putting women
- 3:02Speaker 2: in huge hills because they deserve to be idolized on
- 3:04Speaker 2: a platform, So that's how she saw it.
- 3:09Speaker 1: Probably the dress that she has designed that's been seen
- 3:12Speaker 1: the most is one of Carrie Bradshaw's wedding dresses in
- 3:17Speaker 1: Sex and the City. Tell me about that dress.
- 3:19Speaker 2: Well, it's just I mean, there's a beautiful picture of
- 3:21Speaker 2: her running away from the wedding after a big unfortunately,
- 3:25Speaker 2: you know, decides not to turn up, which is awful.
- 3:28Speaker 3: Carry I freaked out for a minute, but I'm reading now, Carrie,
- 3:42Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but it's just structured and it's over the
- 3:48Speaker 3: top and it's beautiful.
- 3:49Speaker 2: She was also known for tartan, which was a significant
- 3:52Speaker 2: motif in her collections as well. But there was an
- 3:54Speaker 2: amazing again pictures of Kate Moss walking down in this
- 3:58Speaker 2: insane huge dress. So it's all about volume and presence
- 4:02Speaker 2: and being there.
- 4:03Speaker 1: Yeah, that scene in Sex and the City, it's got
- 4:05Speaker 1: kind of miss Havisham vibes, hasn't it. She's been jilted
- 4:08Speaker 1: at the Altar, and Sex and the City is really
- 4:10Speaker 1: about kind of sexual independence and sexual freedom. I thought
- 4:14Speaker 1: the dress was a bit of a throwback to that
- 4:16Speaker 1: kind of Deckenzian idea of she wanted the princess fantasy
- 4:20Speaker 1: and she didn't get it. It was a princess dress.
- 4:22Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's not because Vivian west would turn that
- 4:24Speaker 2: upside down. I feel like by kind of sexualizing that
- 4:27Speaker 2: or sexualizing that, but it's given women the power to
- 4:30Speaker 2: wear corsets as opposed to being told to wear them,
- 4:33Speaker 2: wearing them because they look fabulous and they make us
- 4:35Speaker 2: look fabulous. So I kind of buy that idea, but
- 4:37Speaker 2: I also think that it's just over the top and
- 4:39Speaker 2: women dressing for themselves.
- 4:52Speaker 1: We're talking about Vivian Westwood because there's a new show
- 4:55Speaker 1: at the National Gallery of Victoria, the NNGV. The NNGV
- 4:58Speaker 1: keeps getting it right blockbuster shows, doesn't it.
- 5:01Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's definitely the standout gallery around Australia in terms
- 5:05Speaker 2: of their numbers that come in and the visitors that
- 5:08Speaker 2: get They've also had blockbusters from Chanelle. This year they
- 5:13Speaker 2: had the French Impressionists. So they're very good at presenting
- 5:17Speaker 2: exhibitions that are accessible to everybody and that everyone wants
- 5:20Speaker 2: to go and see.
- 5:23Speaker 1: They don't seem to be bound up in the kind
- 5:26Speaker 1: of fear of showing something that's too popular, which seems
- 5:29Speaker 1: to be a concern with some galleries.
- 5:31Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 5:31Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean it's that idea that you can have
- 5:34Speaker 2: extraordinary art and you can also have art that's popular.
- 5:37Speaker 2: Just because it's popular doesn't mean it's an inferior version
- 5:40Speaker 2: of art. But a lot of our arts companies around
- 5:42Speaker 2: the country are kind of suffering. A lot of galleries
- 5:44Speaker 2: are in deficit, a lot of opera companies, ballet companies
- 5:48Speaker 2: and the MTV is kind of the shining beacon of
- 5:51Speaker 2: It is incredible in terms of the exhibitions and the
- 5:54Speaker 2: people that come through. And isn't that the main idea
- 5:56Speaker 2: that the more people that see the art better.
- 6:01Speaker 1: One of our reporters, Rosemary Neil, has been doing a
- 6:03Speaker 1: very close look at what's going wrong with arts companies.
- 6:07Speaker 1: Is it about that balance between the expectation of government
- 6:10Speaker 1: support and selling tickets.
- 6:12Speaker 2: I think so, But there's a whole lot of things
- 6:14Speaker 2: that have happened since post COVID. People aren't going out
- 6:17Speaker 2: as much. We have obviously a cost of living crisis
- 6:19Speaker 2: as well. So what Rosemary explored is the reasons behind that.
- 6:23Speaker 2: And you know, construction costs for the new wing at
- 6:26Speaker 2: the Art Gallery of New souft Wales running that new wing.
- 6:29Speaker 2: Everything's going up and up, and the ticket sales really
- 6:32Speaker 2: aren't matching that. So they're relying more and more on
- 6:35Speaker 2: government funding, and they're relying more on philanthropic funding. So
- 6:39Speaker 2: it's a multi layered and complex issue. And one of
- 6:42Speaker 2: the solutions suggested by the New Softwales government in a
- 6:45Speaker 2: summit that was held earlier in the year was tax breaks,
- 6:48Speaker 2: so tax reform to encourage more donations. But there is
- 6:51Speaker 2: this idea that the government can't keep funding them to
- 6:53Speaker 2: the level they need, and the shortfall between the government
- 6:56Speaker 2: funding and the money that they can get from ticket
- 6:58Speaker 2: sales is just widening.
- 7:05Speaker 1: Coming up the real business model behind the catwalk craziness.
- 7:23Speaker 1: Some Vivian Westwood clothes might be hard to wear or
- 7:25Speaker 1: hard to sell in a short. But they're nothing compared
- 7:27Speaker 1: to Conde Garson, which is part of the show as well.
- 7:31Speaker 2: Yes, Conde Gassons is done by Ray Kawakubo and her
- 7:36Speaker 2: work is displayed alongside Vivian Westwood, and the curators at
- 7:39Speaker 2: the MGV thought they were a good companion piece because
- 7:42Speaker 2: Vivian was so dramatic with shapes as well. But Conde
- 7:45Speaker 2: Gassons is insane, like they're the pictures of the rain
- 7:48Speaker 2: Way where you think, I don't even know how they
- 7:49Speaker 2: got that dress on that person or how they walk
- 7:51Speaker 2: in it. And she really disrupted this idea of shapes
- 7:55Speaker 2: and what women should wear and messing with the body
- 7:58Speaker 2: shape and all that kind of stuff. So they're going
- 8:00Speaker 2: to look quite spectacular next to each other.
- 8:02Speaker 1: It makes me wonder a little bit about the business
- 8:04Speaker 1: of fashion when you see these outlandish fashion shows which
- 8:07Speaker 1: are just about getting vision on the TV news and
- 8:10Speaker 1: photos in the magazines. That's about selling perfume scarves. Yeah, no,
- 8:17Speaker 1: maybe wristwatches, accessories. It's not actually about selling those clothes,
- 8:20Speaker 1: is it.
- 8:20Speaker 4: No.
- 8:21Speaker 2: And it's funny because there was a scene in The
- 8:23Speaker 2: Devil Wears Prada where Meryl Streep's character explains the fashion
- 8:27Speaker 2: ecosystem to Anne Hathaway's character, the editorial assistant who has
- 8:31Speaker 2: no idea about fashion.
- 8:32Speaker 4: What you don't know is that that sweater is not
- 8:34Speaker 4: just blue. It's not to Requois, it's not Lapist, it's
- 8:38Speaker 4: actually Cerulian. And you're also blithely underware of the fact
- 8:42Speaker 4: that in two thousand and two Oscar Laurenta did a
- 8:45Speaker 4: collection of Cerulian gowns, and then I think it was
- 8:47Speaker 4: Eve Salaol, wasn't it who showed Cerulian military jackets, and
- 8:52Speaker 4: then Cerullian quickly showed up in the collections of eight
- 8:54Speaker 4: different designers. I'm going to filter down through the department
- 8:59Speaker 4: stores and then trickled on down into some tragic casual
- 9:03Speaker 4: corner where you no doubt fished it out of some
- 9:06Speaker 4: clearance bin. However, that blue represents millions of dollars and
- 9:10Speaker 4: countless jobs. And it's sort of comical how you think
- 9:14Speaker 4: that you've made a choice that exempts you from the
- 9:16Speaker 4: fashion industry, when in fact you're wearing a sweater that
- 9:20Speaker 4: was selected for you by the people in this room
- 9:23Speaker 4: from a pile of stuff.
- 9:27Speaker 2: Is these shows at the top they set the tone.
- 9:30Speaker 2: They have these insane, crazy garments. They may pick up
- 9:32Speaker 2: a color or a cut, but we will all be
- 9:35Speaker 2: wearing those clothes, just not straight off the runway. They
- 9:38Speaker 2: may get knocked off by Zara. Most likely we were
- 9:41Speaker 2: in a couple of years later. So they are more
- 9:43Speaker 2: than just images. They do impact how we all dress.
- 9:47Speaker 2: They just filter through the high street labels, and the
- 9:49Speaker 2: high street labels take inspiration from that, and then sometimes
- 9:53Speaker 2: movie makers will take inspiration from that, or fashion shows
- 9:57Speaker 2: will be inspired by a movie. So it's this kind
- 9:59Speaker 2: of cultural eco system that although we are not walking
- 10:01Speaker 2: around in Vivian Westwood and Condegasons, their designs and their
- 10:06Speaker 2: inspiration will eventually filter down to what we wear.
- 10:10Speaker 1: And also we might not be able to afford a
- 10:13Speaker 1: Dior suit or Oceanelle dress, but we can buy a lipstick.
- 10:16Speaker 2: Yes, and as ire a knockoff.
- 10:25Speaker 1: Milanderraut is The Australian's Culture Editor. The exhibition Westwood Kawakubo
- 10:30Speaker 1: is on from December seventh, twenty twenty five, to April nineteen,
- 10:33Speaker 1: twenty twenty six at the National Gallery of Victoria. You
- 10:37Speaker 1: can read all Australia's best coverage of the arts and
- 10:40Speaker 1: entertainment right now at the Australian dot com dot au
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- 10:47Speaker 1: Weekend Australian. This episode of the Front was produced and
- 10:51Speaker 1: hosted by me Claire Harvey, with editing and sound designed
- 10:55Speaker 1: by Tiffany Dimak. Thanks for joining us on the Front
- 10:58Speaker 1: this week. Our team also includes Kristen Amiot, Leat Sammaglu,
- 11:02Speaker 1: Josh Burton, Stephanie Coombs and Jasper Leek, who also wrote
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