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Bears vs. Bengals Recap: Wrap It Up with Jacob Infante! · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_00]: guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What was that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What the hell was that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Somehow some way defeated the Cincinnati Bengals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 47 to 42.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Bears are now 5 in the
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, welcome, everyone, to wrap it up the official post game podcast of Second City Grid Iron.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm your host, Jacob and Fonte, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't even know where to start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Typically I have an idea of what I want to do for these post game shows, but so much happened in the last like 10, 15 minutes where I, I don't even know what to say.
1:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't even know where to start.
1:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I guess the best place to start is Caleb Williams.
1:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I, that's the best place to, that's the best place to start.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And again, that was dominated by a strong run game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, there are some inconsistencies in the passing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are some big plays, but Caleb Williams went and mattered most step through on the final drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In completion and completion,
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[SPEAKER_00]: scrambled for a 14-yard gain and then hit Colston Loveland on the seam for a 58-yard touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the past was, the, the past was completely, it was a dart to begin with.
1:59
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears would have been able to hit a field goal off of that probably, knock-on wood, but then Colston Loveland shed the tackle, outran the rest of the defense, picked up the touchdown,
2:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the bangles had a chance at a Hail Mary didn't convert an injured Joe Flacco, couldn't get the job done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kudos to that bangles offense, man, Kudos to them, they took advantage of the bears for a lot of that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Joe Flacco had 470 passing yards and four touchdowns and the bangles still lost that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm pulling this up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have the
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[SPEAKER_00]: ESPN, like the recap, not the recap, but the box score, so to speak, and they have some of the advanced analytics about wind percentage and stuff like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to go to the game here, see how it turned out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So at one point, the bears had a 99.7% chance to win at their peak, and then at one point, the bangles had an 85.9% chance to win.
3:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the bears ended up coming back and winning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So oh my god, I'm going to take some of your questions here for anybody who's listening live in the Twitter, X-Chat, for anybody who's watching along on the second city grid iron pages on Facebook and YouTube, make sure to like and subscribe if you haven't already.
3:30
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to talk about guys.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: don't mind that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I'm taking a picture of this win probability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This chart that was on ESPN, the one that I just referenced on the show, and I'm going to post it on Twitter here in a sec.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But for a second there, for a split second, that felt like a, that felt like an
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[SPEAKER_00]: from appear collapse of the defense in the special teams, it was pretty close.
4:10
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what, I'm not even gonna say it's close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was an Eber flu's level breakdown from the defense and the special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk about that, but obviously the bear is just one in the craziest fashion possible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to talk about the positive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm going to go start things off with Kyle Menongai and obviously I'm going to run through some of the questions here in the chat and then answer them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Kyle Menongai and his first game is a starting running back in the NFL came away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They relied on a pretty heavily 26 carries, 176 rushing yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: six point eight yards per catch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's pretty nuts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that he had three catches for 22 yards as well.
4:52
[SPEAKER_00]: This game for a majority of it, obviously, you know, Caleb Williams came through in the clutch when it mattered most.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The off a majority of this offense was how good the run game was and Caleb played a part in that too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had 53 rushing yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had five carries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that
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[SPEAKER_00]: One thing that Caleb did better this week is he knew when to take off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a very good athlete.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's a good scrambling running back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He can take off and pick up big gains.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He just needs to identify when to be able to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When he's scrambling, he keeps his head up, which is huge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But sometimes he's a split second to late, making the decision, either getting the ball out or choosing run.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he did a better job of that this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then Manongai was unbelievable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you talk about a guy who's incredibly tough, you talk about a guy who's got impressive agility.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Genuinely, I think that he's a really good compliment to DeAndre Swift right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because the Andre Swift is the type of guy where you have him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He works best in space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not a downhill runner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's more of an outside of the tackles type of guy more of it, you know, get them outside of space.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But my own guys, a very impressive downhill runner, at least he was today against the bangles and I mean, I know, oh, it's the bangles, but when you run over grown men like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you run over NFL defenders as easily as Kyle Menongai did, you deserve a lot of credit for that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So genuinely, he looked the part of someone who can play a big role in this offense for the rest of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we saw it the last couple of games where Swift and Menongai kind of split the carries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're going to see a lot more of that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You might even see a little bit more Menongai as the running back one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, I'm going through the chat here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If anyone has any comments who's watching live, feel free to let me know for anybody who watches a little bit later, can't stay for the entirety of the show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is going to be live wherever you get your podcasts as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb Fang Club, Richard Heitauer, should not be let back onto the plane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I think it was a a banner awful special teams day for the Chicago Bears today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I mean, obviously it's these start things off with a kick return for a touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The, uh, you know, Cairo Santos, what have had two miss field goals, but only had the one, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Daniel Hardy, you know, he was going for a block and didn't realize that the ball was going his way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tiped off his foot, cost the team an onside kick.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The coverage was bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was another return that some OJP Ryan, I think it was, had that was really good as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the Doverney had a really good return, that of course was called back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was holding.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was definitely a penalty that called it back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all in one game folks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's all in one game that the bears were that bad on special teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that the fact that they were able to overcome that speaks to how good the offense was and how just batshit that this game was in general.
8:03
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I think that in the wake of victory, obviously things are great, things are happy.
8:16
[SPEAKER_00]: You can be very happy with how you're quarterback stepped up in the clutch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can be very happy with how your team didn't give up in the most unbelievable area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your offense, especially didn't give up in the most unbelievable scenarios, but you also do have to be a little bit objective and say, hey, the special teams was atrocious today.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a big reason why the bangles were in this game for as long as they were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's why they had the lead for, you know, as late in the game as they did.
8:44
[SPEAKER_00]: So you have Richard high tower, I think you've got to take a good hard look and say like all right something's not working.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do we do to try and fix it I mean, I don't think the special teams have been particularly great on your hand regardless so you know, I don't I don't get the sense they're going to fire him right away.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just that doesn't strike me as some of the bears do very often, but yeah he Richard high tower in his special teams units were very big problem, but
9:12
[SPEAKER_00]: It all worked out, Kyle Davidson's hair gel in the chat here says, loveland has arrived, fucking tank.
9:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I mean, so Colcomet came back this week, but then he ended up exiting again, getting hurt.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It won catch for 10 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then, Colston Lovelin came in though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he took up a majority of the touches.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He, he entered this game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have a single NFL career touchdown, but he came out of it with two scores.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Six receptions, 118 yards and two touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of, a lot of Colts fans have been talking shit about, oh, Tyler, look Warren's been better than, excuse me, Colston Lovelin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's all fine and good,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now you have coals to the level and arriving on the scene and he did that today.
10:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So that feels pretty good.
10:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, one for that, but just more importantly, to see a rookie tight end step up in the clutch one of matter, most to be able to break that tackle and be athletic enough to outrun all those defenders chasing them and pursued.
10:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's Those are defensive backs that he was out running and I think, you know, that's
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[SPEAKER_00]: truly that's part of why the bears were so high on them is just how athletic loveland is is ability to stretch the field you know what whether it's on the deep crossers the seams you know simple go routes or his ability to win out of the slot in man demand coverage you know get them going on in routes out route slants whatever the case might be
10:47
[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's why you draft that guy that early.
10:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that, I mean, I hope Cole commits all right.
10:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you never want to see injury before a player by any means.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, he can come back to full strength.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But even at that case, I think that loveland is solidifying himself firmly as the tight end one in this offense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So again, a lot of Kudos to Kulston
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're five and three guys in case you forgot, so there you go, so it's, I do want to talk a little bit about the defense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The run defense was actually very good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Chase Brown only had 37 carry 37 yards for 11 carries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was going to say 37 carries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's like a man on guys that line 11 carries for 37 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He also had eight catches for 75 yards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he was pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A pretty good check-down option made some moves after the catch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The run defense was good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The cover was bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think just about anyone could have told you that that was going to be the case with, even with Tyrex Siemens in coming back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, Kyler Gordon's heard Jalen Johnson's out for the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: CJ Gardner Johnson is, you know, he was just coming into the system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, and he performed admirably, I think all things considered for somebody who, you know, literally just signed off the street a couple days ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, but even then, like Stevenson didn't seem to be all that great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll check and see what the all 22 says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to breaking that down.
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, I'll share that here, eventually on my Twitter and X page.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can check my Patreon account, patreon.com slash Jacob and Fonte.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be doing breakdowns, scouting reports of, yep, five players of your guys choosing and breaking down the strengths and weaknesses of how they performed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm, either way, I'm curious to see how Stevenson did because upon first glance, it didn't seem to be all that great, Nick McLeod didn't do very well nationwide, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he had that, like, you know, the interception off the, you know, off the Hail Mary, but in coverage pretty consistently, he was a, you know, here's a problem and a liability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm curious to see if the bears do anything in the trade deadline now.
13:12
[SPEAKER_00]: If you look at how poorly the secondary performed where you have,
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[SPEAKER_00]: T-higgins and Jamar Chase, both surpassing 100 receiving yards, Chase Brown getting 75, Andre, Yoshi Vaosh getting 66, Tanner Hudson 42, Noah Fant 28, Mitchell, Tensley 27, I mean, that's insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Just giving up 470 passing yards and any capacity is unacceptable.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can, you can put, you could put that on Dennis Allen, you absolutely can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think obviously the habbled secondary doesn't help at all, but a part of your job is a coach is to make sure that you take advantage of that, granted I wouldn't want to be the guy calling, I wouldn't want to be the guy calling defense against T Higgins and Jamar Chase with this secondary in the state that it's in right now, but I mean, all the
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Jake, let's yes, same, why are you talking about DA not high tower high tower is the problem yet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we did mention that a bit, you know, near the start of the show here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So for those of you who are just tuning in, you can go back and check this on our YouTube channel on second city grid iron as well as wherever you get your podcasts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if, you know, maybe if you come in later something like that, then, you know, you can get all the content that you need to get.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All of your glorious Jacob and Fontaine Alice is obviously, but yeah, high tower is a problem.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the lack of understanding the assignments on special teams is, it cripple the bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it almost costs in the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In 99% of scenarios, it would have cost them that game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm with you there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that high towers the bigger problem than Dennis Allen at this point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you have a healthy unit to work with Denis Allen's, I mean, I think that Denis Allen is a solid enough defensive coordinator.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not, I don't think he's great, but we saw him flashes what this team can do when more guys are healthy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the hope is that CJ Gardner Johnson, bringing him in, is gonna bring some spark to the secondary, maybe they trade for a corner, maybe they trade for a defensive end,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know exactly what it's going to be but I think that for all of Allen's flaws right now you also do have to keep in mind he's working with spare parts essentially so that's it's not an easy task especially against a bangles offense that's been as good as it's been the last couple of weeks since they brought Joe
15:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Now that the bears won that game, I can say it's, I can say without any, like, angst of my voice that Joe Flacco doing what he did today at 40 years old is insane.
16:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, everybody is going to, uh, everyone's going to talk about, oh, you know, Joe Flacco's 40 years old, whatever, uh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I just said that everyone says that, but it's still, it's very cool that this stage in his career to see him doing what he was doing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hope he keeps it up just for the rest of the year, but now that the bear's game's gone, now that the bear's game's gone, and you don't have to face Flacco anymore, all the power to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: All mighty man of the YouTube chats as why ways to draft asset for a one year rental corner back or edge when we aren't supermal contenders that's fair.
16:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think with a quote, it's it's going to be a little bit different.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think a corner back is for sure more of a one year rental than an edge rusher depending on who you're bringing in really.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If it's a one-year corner back though, I don't necessarily think that's going to cost a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I could be totally wrong on this, but say it's a recoil and an allante Taylor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the fact that they're in the last year, they're in expiring contracts by default, and you're only going to have them for half a season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the cost isn't going to be insane.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I mean, I think that sure there's always the case where they're like, oh, you know, the sea hawks are the saints to say, hey, maybe you, you know, what if you want to keep these guys, then we're not just going to give you for nothing, but I think that the contract situation certainly plays a role in, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: cutting down the cost for both of those guys specifically, but like anybody.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, even Cam Taylor Brit, who you know, we had a nice PPU.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can't say for sure how we performed like individually, because, you know, I'm not watching vangles cornerbacks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I'm watching my favorite team play, but
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[SPEAKER_00]: There should be some decent one-year rental options out there that don't necessarily break the bank in terms of draft capital.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For an edged ruster, yeah, sure.
18:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, you're probably going to be spending a little bit more on those, like say, a J.L.M.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Phillips.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, if you're trading for a guy like J.L.M.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Phillips or you're trading for a guy like, I mean, I don't think the bangles are going to trade away, tray Hendrickson, but if you do that,
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[SPEAKER_00]: bring them in for the long haul if you're the bears because let me like you said there's they're not super bowl contenders right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is to get them into the playoffs and then potentially you extend whichever edge rusher you bring in and then corner back you probably just let walk honestly on free agency and then maybe get a compact back.
18:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I don't think that if you draft, if you trade for a corner back, I don't think that's wasting a draft asset.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's still making a push for the playoffs in a very competitive NFC north.
18:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, those games are going to be really difficult and they're going to they're going to test the bears.
18:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think the fact now you're sitting at five and three, you have a couple more, you know, like in theory, winnable games on your schedule.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as you know, as we're seeing on a weekly basis here, anything can happen in the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, the Packers lost to the Panthers for Christ's sake.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Lions lost to the Vikings.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Vikings have been hit or missed this season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, those are all good teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I believe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But anything can happen truly.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yes, the bears are five and three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw a comment in here saying against a weak schedule.
19:33
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears are five and three against a pretty weak schedule for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I mean, they played Minnesota close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the bears were better team now than they were then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean Detroit, they got to polish.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's no other way around it.
19:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And the ravens were the better team last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But say, if you stack up the giants, you stack up the browns,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then you have Minnesota Pittsburgh, Philly Green Bay Green Bay San Francisco Detroit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's eight games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm counting with my hands because I'm a child.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if you win, so assuming if you do beat the giants in the Cleveland Browns, then you're at seven wins, if you win even two of these eight games, well, I'm holding up my fingers again because I'm a little boy who needs to figure out that to learn how to count.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's nine wins.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you go three and eight, no, if you go three and five in the rest of those games that I mentioned, you're making the playoffs at 10 and seven.
20:34
[SPEAKER_00]: For sure.
20:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That's just my opinion.
20:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So Derek and the chat says overall great on Ben's play calling today after the criticisms from last week, I think it was better.
20:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I definitely think it was better.
20:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to sit here and say that.
20:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously the bears, you know, the past attack is there's a little bit hit or miss in the first half.
20:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'm not going to lie Caleb showed up when I mattered most that's the most important thing I want to take away from this and that's what I'm most that's why I'm optimistic about him coming out of this game or why I think that the, you know, the arrow is trending upward.
21:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think that Ben Johnson called a really good game.
21:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously, people are going to point to the flash you plays, they're going to point to the trick plays.
21:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I can't lie and say that I thought the run in the Philly Special was cool.
21:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, oh, it's a dowel logins play first.
21:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Whatever, dowel logins is like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It says me, but that's, it's the Philly special.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's, that's what it is because that was called in a Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what it's most famous for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I don't want to hear it.
21:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Bye.
21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: That play was pretty sweet.
21:47
[SPEAKER_00]: The Caleb, to Tyson Bayjit, back to Caleb, double pass was pretty cool as well.
21:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I like the creativity and especially against the defense like this, it worked for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: On a week to week basis, we'll see if that continues to, you know, if those trick plays continue to provide fruitful results, I think they continue to do so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, the overall grade, I'd give it like a B plus a B plus maybe an A minus for Ben Johnson and I think a lot of that comes down to he realized what the hot hand was and the hot hand was Kyle and on guy, you ride the hot hand 100% of the time, well, not 100, but like you get what I mean, in that he sends the weakness in the bangles defense, he exploited it completely.
22:40
[SPEAKER_00]: the bears were the better team in the trenches when the bears were on offense they were a much better team.
22:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm looking forward to again like I said going back to the all 22 and figuring out individual offensive lineman to watch because as a unit they were pretty consistently some some open holes for Caleb Williams to work with for Britain Brown to work with
23:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and I think even, you know, even Cole Comet and Colston Loveland, uh, Comet before he got hurt, but I think even they brought some good effort as as rum blockers as well.
23:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So being able to ride the hot hand when it mattered most, uh, I think was, you know, or being able to ride the hot hand through the majority of the game was a good call.
23:30
[SPEAKER_00]: And then executing when it mattered most with the passing attack, I think was,
23:37
[SPEAKER_00]: really, really impressive.
23:39
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that Ben Johnson's ability to get the offense rallied around and motivated, I guess, and to be like, all right, this is still a winnable game.
23:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I know that our defense and special teams just collapsed in comical fashion, comical Jesus.
24:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not that smart
24:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, I don't know where I was going with that Ben Johnson called a good game.
24:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He called a good game.
24:15
[SPEAKER_00]: That's all I'm going to say on that regard.
24:19
[SPEAKER_00]: How is Beer Hall coming in friends of me?
24:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Should the bears fry Richard high tower?
24:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I don't think they will right away.
24:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I think at the end of the year, though, it's He's toast.
24:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he'd better be.
24:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He's been it was terrible genuinely.
24:35
[SPEAKER_00]: But he also, House Beer Hall also says, is Moody R. Kicker moving forward?
24:41
[SPEAKER_00]: The answer is yes, he should be.
24:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, when you have a kicker, he would have missed two times today.
24:48
[SPEAKER_00]: If it wasn't for the one penalty that got, that got, you know, that called the Miss Back, that would have been two misses for Cairo Santos.
24:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that if you're missing two field goals in a game, that's just unacceptable.
25:05
[SPEAKER_00]: the kick-offs just didn't have, they weren't very deep and I think that that clearly played a role in it too where you're giving these returners, you know, a good amount of space to work with, you know, ahead of them.
25:22
[SPEAKER_00]: And if he's not generating distance on the kick-offs and he's not hitting
25:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Not even just in the 50s range, but in the 40s range now, then what the hell are we doing?
25:34
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, why are we still sticking around with that?
25:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that I don't, I don't know honestly, if this bears team is going to be willing to admit a mistake like that, that doesn't strike me as Ryan Paul's vibe, he strikes me as someone who's very, he's got a little bit of an ego.
25:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd say, but
25:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that if you want to be a competent franchise and you, again, write the hot hand or just ignore the, oh shoot, oh, sorry guys, my, my cat tried to jump onto my ledge here in my apartment and he just totally missed it was he was hanging on for dear life and then just flocked on the ground, he got shit to see his hilarious, but
26:24
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's clear right now that, you know, in the two games, at least that Moody had, he has a better leg.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And even with the 49ers, where he was, you know, very inconsistent, it's clear Moody has a better leg than Cairo Santos.
26:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's where the league is trending towards right now.
26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: They're trending towards distance above, you know, just the, you know, consistent short range accuracy in the 40s.
26:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Because if you're in like a fourth and two or fourth and three situation, these days you're probably going for it.
26:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that having a big like kicker is so much more valuable because it offers up so many more opportunities when you're in the 30s or the, you know, in around like the 30 art line or, you know, close to the 40 art line something like that, that's where having a kicker with a strong leg can really come in handy.
27:11
[SPEAKER_00]: And it opens up more opportunities for your offense.
27:13
[SPEAKER_00]: You're not locked into, okay, we have to go for it here, or we have to plant.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Be like, okay, we can trust our kicker with a field goal here because it's got a big enough leg to work with it.
27:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So, yeah, I'd go with Moody 100% whether or not the bears do.
27:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I know idea.
27:29
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
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[SPEAKER_00]: As Mike Teeling says in the chat as well, I hope so.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm hoping that he will work out like Daniel Carlson did for the Raiders.
27:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that will be definitely be ideal because it's kind of a similar situation.
27:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, like Carlson was a big leg kicker coming out of Auburn and I think it was the Vikings he ended up excuse me.
27:50
[SPEAKER_00]: It's the Vikings he ended up with initially.
27:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And he had accuracy issues, they let him go.
27:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And the Raiders brought him in, betting on the upside and it worked out for him.
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that the bears could find themselves in a similar situation with Jake Moody, where you have a big leg kicker who's a little bit hitter miss in terms of the accuracy.
28:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to sit here and say, I'm not a special teams coach, but in having conversations with special teams coaches, I think that it's easier to teach mechanics and mindset than it is to teach just a massive leg.
28:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of like the quarterback situation with an arm strength.
28:32
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why these raw,
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[SPEAKER_00]: quarterbacks with big arms get drafted early above, you know, some of these game manager types.
28:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why, you know, you see like a, I don't know, like a trace mix or something.
28:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He was a better, like trace mix or maybe was a more prominent, more efficient college quarterback than Josh Allen, but Josh Allen went way higher because of the upside because of the superior size, superior arm strength, superior athleticism.
29:02
[SPEAKER_00]: He kept all of that.
29:03
[SPEAKER_00]: and he learned the intricacies of the game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's why people bet on upside different position obviously talking about kicker here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Jake Moody, I think it's significantly more upside than Cairo Santos.
29:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Santos, you know what he is at this point.
29:18
[SPEAKER_00]: And I can't sit here and say that he's an asset to the bears right now.
29:21
[SPEAKER_00]: So another question in the chat, how do you see the
29:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, yeah, yeah, honestly, I think it's going to be probably more of like a 50, 50 sort of situation.
29:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, deanders with, I think it's too talented to not involve in the offense in some capacity.
29:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, I think the last couple weeks have shown that and some of the history as well that he's displayed, uh, you know, through other teams too, I think the bears have really
29:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, it's a little cliche to mention the, uh, Jamir Gibbs, David Montgomery shit.
30:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, but I think that, you know, Ben Johnson can very clearly make things work with a split backfield.
30:08
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh, you have two running backs with different styles of running.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think can keep the defense on their toes.
30:16
[SPEAKER_00]: So, what, DeAndre Swift does exactly that.
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a different type of running back from a non-guy.
30:21
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... and i think that his value comes in the ability to catch it it's like throwing an off-speed pitch in baseball i mean you have your fast ball you know you run up the middle uh... you know you get your tough yards you know you run out you lower the shoulder uh... you know whatever the hell and and then eventually you catch them off-speed with more of like a change of pace sort of back uh... i think that's where deandre swift is best suited
30:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we'll see a little bit more of that once he comes back, because men on guy coming off it today was way too good to just settle into a regular back up role.
30:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he looked the part of what he looked like at Rutgers.
31:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Honestly, he saw the the shift in S, he saw the ball carrier vision.
31:06
[SPEAKER_00]: He saw the tenacity.
31:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think like the only real I mean the the two big knocks I'd say I'm an on guy coming out where breakaway speed was an amazing and he was a little undersized, but he runs a lot tougher than someone whose size should be I think he's like five nine or so.
31:25
[SPEAKER_00]: And who really needs you know I mean breakaway speed sure you can limit your upside if you don't have great.
31:32
[SPEAKER_00]: speed in the open field, but if you have the burst of the short area acceleration to hit the whole and to find the open running lane and you can consistently pick up 10 15 yards on, you know, a handful of these carries a game, then who cares if you don't, if you don't get like a 40 yard pick up or something like that.
31:51
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh,
31:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's see, I'm checking my phone here.
31:57
[SPEAKER_00]: There's some stuff I just need to make sure that's going all right.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: So anyway, I...
32:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, all that to say, I think that Swift is going to rotate into the system for sure.
32:11
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to.
32:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think he'll it'll be the de facto, like the starter in name, but I mean, Menon guy was tremendous today.
32:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I feel like you can't just ignore that and he was good in the first couple weeks as well.
32:23
[SPEAKER_00]: So, uh,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think close to 50 50 is what you're going to see from there.
32:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Logan King in the chat says Jacob thoughts on the continuing struggles of dropping passes I think in particular you see it with Roman doons a maybe a little bit too much obviously he didn't have a single catch today, which is it's crazy to think about if you told me going into this the bears will put up 47 points and Roman doons a would not have a single catch all game I would have thought you were like crazy or high.
32:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think it's an issue.
32:56
[SPEAKER_00]: It obviously is.
32:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And do you know, as looked very good this year, again, I have to check the tape to see what was the problem?
33:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it a separation issue?
33:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Was it an effort issue?
33:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Like what was it exactly that held them to, you know, literally zero catches, but also the drops as well, played a factor into that, obviously.
33:18
[SPEAKER_00]: So,
33:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Odun's like, I think a lot of bears fans can agree.
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: He has legitimate wide receiver and one potential, right?
33:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And the only thing that's holding him back at this point is the drop situation.
33:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's crazy to me because he's a big, wide receiver, he's a physical receiver.
33:43
[SPEAKER_00]: He can win, he's shown in college and he showed a little bit as a rookie as well.
33:47
[SPEAKER_00]: He can win in the contested catch situations.
33:51
[SPEAKER_00]: But for whatever reason this year, it's not necessarily working.
33:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And you have these instances where he's body catching, these instances where he's bubbling catches a little bit.
34:02
[SPEAKER_00]: It's not a great look for somebody who's supposed to be the widers, silver one.
34:07
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, obviously it works out.
34:09
[SPEAKER_00]: That's why you have so many talented weapons on your roster.
34:11
[SPEAKER_00]: If one guy does never great game,
34:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Who cares, Colston Lovelin to had a fantastic game.
34:16
[SPEAKER_00]: DJ Moore made a couple nice catches, a lot of days of keys had 58 yards and a touchdown today.
34:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, still, it's something to be concerned about a little bit.
34:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I know, come at had a drop near the beginning of the game earlier as well.
34:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's I have some concern about it, but I can't sit here and say that I'm too concerned about the offense when they just put up 47 points.
34:40
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'll just
34:45
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... good point here from grim cutting in the chat saying that the raw completion percentage looks bad but his adjusted completion percentage over seventy percent uh... yeah and i think that's a good point too and as he mentions as well lots of throwaways and drops that was uh... a reoccurring theme that i noticed as well is you have a handful of times where
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb is, you know, he scrambling, he's running for his life.
35:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it's so much, at least on first glance.
35:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was so much the offensive lines problem.
35:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he got sacked two times, but I don't think that the Bengals past rush was particularly great.
35:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Today, I just think that,
35:33
[SPEAKER_00]: a lot of it came down to a lack of it was one of two things which I think I think both can be true and you know on different plays.
35:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that
35:44
[SPEAKER_00]: the separation wasn't consistent, at least from what I was able to see, the separation wasn't consistent.
35:51
[SPEAKER_00]: And there were some times where Caleb did miss some open guys, especially the first half I know everyone who's watching the game heard Adam Archerleta, a bitch and complain about, oh, he should have hit Durham's mouth on the on the flat or whatever, it's like, he had to eat him or for a first down anyway, who cares?
36:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there were some valid criticisms, I think, about the, you know, some of the missing open guys.
36:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think it was so much that he threw the ball into shitty situations.
36:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think that, you know, maybe he froze up and didn't see the open guy or he didn't hit the checkdown necessarily.
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So, that's part of why the whole time to throw situation, I think is, you know,
36:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's not off of, oh, his receivers are always getting open.
36:39
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just, you know, he's got the perfect situation.
36:43
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just bad.
36:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's the case when you see like a high time of throw like I'm assuming Caleb would have from this game and he had, you know, he's at a high time of throw this year, high time of throw last year.
36:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think that's all the offensive lines always great or the receivers are always great.
37:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I think just naturally Caleb likes to extend the plays comfortable when he scrambles and gets outside of the pocket.
37:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe he gets to improvise a little bit, but even still, I think that you know, there are a lot of throwaways.
37:15
[SPEAKER_00]: A handful of drops as well, but the throwways, I think
37:19
[SPEAKER_00]: It just guys didn't get open and I think either that or there was another guy open and Caleb didn't see him and the other players around him didn't create separation and then he just added the road away.
37:31
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I think it was we'll have to see obviously it worked out well.
37:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, he stepped through in a mattered most 20.
37:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Completions for Caleb Williams on 32 or 34 passing attempts to 180 passing yards three touchdowns, no picks, also at 53 rushing yards on five carries and also at two catches for 22 yards and touchdowns so.
37:56
[SPEAKER_00]: there you go completion percentage 58.8 again a lot of that does come down to throw ways I can't say that's as much on an accuracy that's just you know the play didn't work out so I'm excited to go back and check the tape to see exactly what went wrong and then what went right because I don't want to sit here and say that oh Caleb had a bad game he did not have a bad game I mean obviously
38:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And when you throw a clean game with four total touchdowns, I'd have to do the math, but it's over 350 total yards from Scrimmage when you factor in the rushing and they're receiving.
38:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a pretty dang of a day in the stat book for sure.
38:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And I keep saying I think that there's there's still a lot of room for Caleb to grow.
38:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's what's most exciting is you can tell that this offense is good.
38:52
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very good offense.
38:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Ben Johnson is a very good offense of coach.
38:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And it makes me wonder if
39:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Caleb can clean up the accuracy a little bit.
39:03
[SPEAKER_00]: If Rome can, you know, cut down on drops, if they can find out a way to, you know, implement Luther Bird and a little bit more in the offense, just how good this team could be.
39:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And now the running game sitting at stride.
39:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Menongai had an incredible game.
39:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Swift was really good before he got hurt.
39:22
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot to be excited about.
39:24
[SPEAKER_00]: So that is going to actually, I have one last question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to bring in my father, Stephen Fonte and the chat say, are you still up for a Cacho at Pepe Resotto tonight?
39:35
[SPEAKER_00]: The answer is yes, of course.
39:37
[SPEAKER_00]: As soon as I hop off of this, I'm going to head over.
39:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So by the way, guys, I just moved into the city, into Chicago.
39:46
[SPEAKER_00]: So
39:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And I tweeted about it a while back that I was leaving St. Louis now I'm in Chicago now moved into my place it's Mostly moved in I got to hang some stuff up still, but you know still doing all right and my dad lives in the city as well so Going over for dinner and We're going to have a little fun and I going to celebrate to enjoy this pair's win.
40:11
[SPEAKER_00]: So
40:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I know my I was a little late bringing in the Jacob and Fonte happy ending.
40:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, I just I got so nervous, you know, you're you're so pretty and everything and it's you know my first time, but.
40:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Basically, everything I said is that it counts as the final optimistic segment.
40:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that the fact that bears won this game is unbelievable when you consider that the defense and special teams were almost actively trying to blow the game.
40:42
[SPEAKER_00]: The offense step through in a matter of most, I'm already fully sold on Ben Johnson.
40:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll say that.
40:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'm crazy, but I think that with his what he's shown with the bears is pretty damn close to what he was able to accomplish with the Lions and having those multiple years now of high level offensive play calling and seeing that translate to now into a head coaching role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm very confident in him.
41:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm confident in the direction of the franchise with him at the helm.
41:15
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that, again, you, I like to, when I look at Caleb Williams here, I consider it from a week to week perspective.
41:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the last couple of weeks have been, you know, a little bit trending down, I'd say the Ravens game trended down, this game did trend up though.
41:35
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that that's that's very encouraging.
41:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So kudos to him kudos to coast of the level and kudos to Ben Johnson.
41:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, there's a lot to be excited about Chicago right now.
41:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know how they did it.
41:48
[SPEAKER_00]: It was like pulling teeth near the end there.
41:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it was, you know, all the ebra food flashbacks all into one as the defense failed, the special teams failed, but the offense pulled away.
41:59
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears are five and three and I keep saying every single time I do one of these damn near.
42:06
[SPEAKER_00]: the more that you win out of the division, the better your chances are making the playoffs, because those additional games are going to be really tough.
42:13
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the bears are going to be able to even reach 500 in those games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they can.
42:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's definitely possible, but the more wins you stack up, the more margin of error you have in the NFC North.
42:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You don't even have to go 500 in the NFC North if you win a game like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you beat the giants, if you beat
42:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Or, you know, maybe if you can pull something off against the Steelers or 49ers or maybe even the Eagles who knows, but that's going to do it for this stream.
42:43
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, then I see that and I say hi.
43:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I need to I need to make my way back over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I'll be there for Thanksgiving for sure.
43:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So, but now that I'm in the city, I also need to make a nice trip over and you know, check out on the wine.
43:43
[SPEAKER_00]: So, by the way, so my aunt and uncle have been, they're like, they're homemade wine makers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, maybe I'll do like some sort of sponsorship episode where I, you know, I plug their right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll plug your area.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe I'll plug the wine.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you give me a bottle, you know, then I'll plug it on my next show.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that'll do it though.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thanks again, everyone for tuning in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I've been Jacob and Fonte.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This has been wrap it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you guys so much for tuning in.
44:17
[SPEAKER_00]: The Chicago Bears are five and three, 47 to 42 went over the Cincinnati Bengals.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The craziest thing I've ever seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And my aunt just told me that she's going to give me a full case.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So a full case of wine instead of just the bottle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm sitting pretty right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The things are pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I appreciate you guys tuning in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great win for the Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bear it out.