Latest / Music Explored Podcast / Navigating the New Age of Artist-Fan Connections in Music
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- 0:00You
- 0:00didn't
- 0:01know
- 0:01how
- 0:02those
- 0:02songs
- 0:03were
- 0:03created.
- 0:03You
- 0:04had
- 0:04no
- 0:04idea
- 0:05how
- 0:05many
- 0:05awful,
- 0:06crappy
- 0:06takes
- 0:07it
- 0:07took
- 0:08of
- 0:09rhymes
- 0:09of
- 0:10jay
- 0:10Z
- 0:11or
- 0:11Dr.
- 0:11Dre
- 0:12to
- 0:12get
- 0:12to
- 0:13the
- 0:13point
- 0:13of
- 0:14the
- 0:14Chronic.
- 0:15You
- 0:15only
- 0:16got
- 0:16the
- 0:16finished,
- 0:16shiny
- 0:17version
- 0:17of
- 0:17it.
- 0:18Now,
- 0:19fans
- 0:20want
- 0:20to
- 0:20know
- 0:21what
- 0:21you're
- 0:21working
- 0:21on.
- 0:22They
- 0:22want
- 0:22to
- 0:23see
- 0:23photos
- 0:23of
- 0:24lyric
- 0:24sheets.
- 0:24They
- 0:25want
- 0:25to
- 0:25see
- 0:25a
- 0:26piano
- 0:26version.
- 0:27They
- 0:27want
- 0:27to
- 0:27see
- 0:28how
- 0:28songs
- 0:29go
- 0:29from
- 0:29sucky
- 0:30to
- 0:31amazing.
- 0:31And
- 0:32in
- 0:32fact,
- 0:32you
- 0:32know,
- 0:33even
- 0:33right
- 0:33now,
- 0:34Olivia
- 0:35Rodrigo's
- 0:36song
- 0:36Driver's
- 0:36license
- 0:37is
- 0:37number
- 0:37one
- 0:37for
- 0:38the
- 0:38fourth
- 0:38straight
- 0:38week,
- 0:39debuted
- 0:39at
- 0:39number
- 0:40one
- 0:40on
- 0:40the
- 0:40Billboard
- 0:40Hot
- 0:41100.
- 0:41There's
- 0:41only
- 0:4215
- 0:42songs
- 0:42in
- 0:43music
- 0:43history
- 0:44that
- 0:44has
- 0:44been
- 0:44number
- 0:45one
- 0:45from
- 0:45a
- 0:45debut
- 0:46of
- 0:46a
- 0:46first
- 0:47song
- 0:47on
- 0:48Billboard.
- 0:49She
- 0:49was
- 0:50posting
- 0:51her
- 0:51going
- 0:52through
- 0:52that
- 0:53song
- 0:55six
- 0:55months
- 0:55ago,
- 0:56you
- 0:56know,
- 0:57strumming
- 0:57on
- 0:58the
- 0:58guitar,
- 0:59trying
- 0:59to
- 0:59figure
- 1:00out
- 1:00what
- 1:00the
- 1:00song
- 1:01was.
- 1:01And
- 1:01she
- 1:01would
- 1:02say,
- 1:02guys,
- 1:02I
- 1:02hope
- 1:03you
- 1:03like
- 1:03it.
- 1:03It's
- 1:04a
- 1:04work
- 1:04in
- 1:04progress.
- 1:05And
- 1:05then
- 1:05when
- 1:06the
- 1:06song
- 1:06came
- 1:06out,
- 1:07she
- 1:07had
- 1:08hundreds
- 1:08of
- 1:08millions
- 1:09of
- 1:09people
- 1:09that
- 1:10had
- 1:10already
- 1:11felt
- 1:12like
- 1:12they
- 1:12had
- 1:12worked
- 1:13through
- 1:13that
- 1:13song
- 1:14with
- 1:14her.
- 1:15So
- 1:15when
- 1:15it
- 1:15was
- 1:16finally
- 1:16out,
- 1:16it
- 1:17was
- 1:17like
- 1:17a
- 1:17journey
- 1:18to
- 1:18the
- 1:19final
- 1:19process
- 1:19of
- 1:20it.
- 1:20Now,
- 1:20what
- 1:21you
- 1:21don't
- 1:21see
- 1:22is
- 1:23maybe
- 1:24that
- 1:24she
- 1:25was
- 1:25already
- 1:25signed
- 1:26to
- 1:26the
- 1:26major
- 1:26label.
- 1:27Maybe
- 1:28that
- 1:28song
- 1:29was
- 1:29already
- 1:29finished,
- 1:30and
- 1:30this
- 1:30is
- 1:32maybe
- 1:32her
- 1:33process,
- 1:33which
- 1:34was
- 1:35maybe.
- 1:36I'm
- 1:36not
- 1:36saying
- 1:36it
- 1:36is.
- 1:37I'm
- 1:37not
- 1:37saying
- 1:38it's
- 1:38fake
- 1:38news.
- 1:39I
- 1:39have
- 1:39no
- 1:40inside
- 1:40information,
- 1:41but
- 1:42I've
- 1:42been
- 1:42in
- 1:42parts
- 1:43where
- 1:43I'm
- 1:44telling
- 1:44artists
- 1:45to
- 1:45start
- 1:46post,
- 1:46to
- 1:47start
- 1:47filming
- 1:48their
- 1:48work
- 1:48in
- 1:48the
- 1:49studio
- 1:49so
- 1:50that
- 1:50when
- 1:50the
- 1:50song
- 1:51is
- 1:51ready
- 1:52to
- 1:52come
- 1:52out
- 1:52two
- 1:53weeks
- 1:53beforehand,
- 1:54start
- 1:54posting
- 1:55that
- 1:55stuff.
- 1:57So
- 1:57it's
- 1:58not
- 1:58a
- 1:58question
- 1:58of
- 1:59that.
- 1:59The
- 2:00audiences
- 2:00are
- 2:00willing
- 2:01to
- 2:01take
- 2:02bad.
- 2:03They're
- 2:04willing
- 2:04to
- 2:04happily
- 2:05follow
- 2:06their
- 2:06artists
- 2:07through
- 2:08the
- 2:08process
- 2:08of
- 2:08things
- 2:09which
- 2:09would
- 2:09have
- 2:09never
- 2:10happened
- 2:10before.
- 2:12Makes.
- 2:13That's
- 2:13some.
- 2:14Does
- 2:15the
- 2:15final
- 2:15product
- 2:16have
- 2:16to
- 2:16be
- 2:16of
- 2:16a
- 2:17certain
- 2:17quality
- 2:17or.
- 2:17That
- 2:18doesn't
- 2:18seem
- 2:18to
- 2:18matter
- 2:19as
- 2:19much
- 2:19anymore
- 2:19either.
- 2:20It's
- 2:21more
- 2:21about
- 2:21the
- 2:21song
- 2:21itself.
- 2:24No,
- 2:25I
- 2:25think,
- 2:26you
- 2:26know,
- 2:26I
- 2:27think
- 2:27it's,
- 2:27I
- 2:27think
- 2:28all
- 2:28those
- 2:28truisms
- 2:30of
- 2:30final
- 2:30quality
- 2:31and
- 2:32connection
- 2:32with
- 2:33the
- 2:33song
- 2:34mattered
- 2:34back
- 2:35in
- 2:351920,
- 2:35and
- 2:36they
- 2:36matter
- 2:36100
- 2:37years
- 2:38from
- 2:38that.
- 2:39And
- 2:39to
- 2:40that.
- 2:41The,
- 2:42the
- 2:42quality
- 2:42of
- 2:43the
- 2:43songs.
- 2:43I
- 2:43mean,
- 2:44are
- 2:44they
- 2:44sounding
- 2:45better?
- 2:46Probably
- 2:46not.
- 2:47Are
- 2:47they
- 2:48more
- 2:48melodic?
- 2:49To
- 2:49me,
- 2:50not
- 2:50really.
- 2:50I
- 2:51mean,
- 2:51I,
- 2:51I,
- 2:51I
- 2:51listen
- 2:52to
- 2:52classic
- 2:52rock
- 2:53artists
- 2:53or
- 2:53artists
- 2:54that
- 2:54have
- 2:54been
- 2:54around
- 2:54for
- 2:5550
- 2:55years
- 2:55tell
- 2:56me
- 2:56that
- 2:56in
- 2:57some
- 2:57of
- 2:57the
- 2:57hits
- 2:57that
- 2:58are
- 2:58going
- 2:58on,
- 2:58their
- 2:59choruses
- 3:00wouldn't
- 3:00even
- 3:00make
- 3:00a
- 3:01verse
- 3:01in
- 3:01their
- 3:02song.
- 3:02But
- 3:03that's
- 3:03okay,
- 3:04that's,
- 3:04that's
- 3:05their
- 3:05music,
- 3:06you
- 3:06know.
- 3:06Yeah,
- 3:07well,
- 3:07it,
- 3:07it's,
- 3:08it's
- 3:08just,
- 3:09it's
- 3:10almost
- 3:10like
- 3:11the
- 3:11ability
- 3:12to
- 3:12create
- 3:12a
- 3:12song
- 3:13from
- 3:13committee.
- 3:14You
- 3:14should
- 3:14have
- 3:15every
- 3:16minute
- 3:16detail
- 3:17of
- 3:17the
- 3:17song
- 3:18be
- 3:18a
- 3:18melodic
- 3:18structure,
- 3:19but
- 3:19it's
- 3:20really
- 3:20not.
- 3:20It's
- 3:21almost
- 3:21like
- 3:22it's
- 3:22a
- 3:22vibe,
- 3:23you
- 3:23know?
- 3:24And
- 3:24I
- 3:24don't,
- 3:25and
- 3:25I
- 3:25don't
- 3:25say
- 3:25this
- 3:26because
- 3:26I'm
- 3:26old,
- 3:27because
- 3:28I
- 3:28am.
- 3:29I
- 3:29say
- 3:29this
- 3:29because
- 3:30I
- 3:30started
- 3:31to
- 3:31think
- 3:31about
- 3:31this.
- 3:31The
- 3:32more
- 3:32criticism
- 3:33artists
- 3:33are
- 3:33getting,
- 3:34at
- 3:34least
- 3:34on
- 3:34my
- 3:34Twitter
- 3:35feed
- 3:36from
- 3:36people
- 3:37that
- 3:37are
- 3:38over
- 3:38the
- 3:38age
- 3:38of
- 3:3835,
- 3:39where
- 3:40I'll
- 3:40post
- 3:41something
- 3:41like
- 3:41Drake
- 3:42just
- 3:42got.
- 3:43You
- 3:43know,
- 3:43it's
- 3:44his
- 3:44230th
- 3:46Billboard
- 3:46Hot
- 3:47100
- 3:47hit,
- 3:48the
- 3:48most
- 3:48in
- 3:48history.
- 3:49And
- 3:50somebody
- 3:50will
- 3:50invariably
- 3:51write,
- 3:52I
- 3:52can't
- 3:52even
- 3:53hum
- 3:53a
- 3:53single
- 3:54song.
- 3:54And
- 3:55it's
- 3:55like,
- 3:55it's
- 3:55not
- 3:56for
- 3:56you,
- 3:57you
- 3:57know,
- 3:58White
- 3:58Accountant
- 3:59from,
- 3:59you
- 4:00know,
- 4:00from
- 4:01Cincinnati
- 4:01Des
- 4:01Moines.
- 4:04But
- 4:04then,
- 4:05look,
- 4:05I
- 4:06mean,
- 4:06even
- 4:06some
- 4:06of
- 4:06the
- 4:07best
- 4:07songs
- 4:07that
- 4:08have
- 4:08completely
- 4:09stuck
- 4:09in
- 4:09people's
- 4:10minds,
- 4:10like
- 4:10I
- 4:10Got
- 4:11a
- 4:11Feeling
- 4:11by
- 4:11the
- 4:11Black
- 4:11Eyed
- 4:12Peas
- 4:12or
- 4:13Old
- 4:13Town
- 4:13Road,
- 4:14there
- 4:14are
- 4:14people
- 4:14who
- 4:15will
- 4:15just
- 4:16not
- 4:16like
- 4:16that
- 4:16kind
- 4:17of
- 4:17music.
- 4:17But
- 4:17I
- 4:17think
- 4:17it's
- 4:18genius,
- 4:19you
- 4:19know?
- 4:20Yeah,
- 4:21yeah,
- 4:21yeah.
- 4:22Wow,
- 4:23you
- 4:23are.
- 4:24You're
- 4:24very
- 4:25interesting
- 4:25to
- 4:25chat
- 4:26with.
- 4:26I
- 4:26have
- 4:27a
- 4:27couple
- 4:27more
- 4:28questions.
- 4:28I
- 4:28know
- 4:29our
- 4:29time
- 4:29is
- 4:29running
- 4:29short
- 4:30with
- 4:30you,
- 4:30unfortunately,
- 4:31but.
- 4:31Yeah,
- 4:31that's
- 4:31okay.
- 4:31Go
- 4:32for
- 4:32it.
- 4:32You
- 4:32have
- 4:32these
- 4:32really
- 4:33cool
- 4:33one
- 4:33minute
- 4:34tips
- 4:34for
- 4:34artists.
- 4:36I
- 4:36thought
- 4:37that
- 4:37was
- 4:37fascinating.
- 4:38Maybe
- 4:38borderline
- 4:39genius.
- 4:41So
- 4:41I'm
- 4:41gonna
- 4:41ask
- 4:42you
- 4:42a
- 4:42couple
- 4:42of
- 4:42the
- 4:42questions
- 4:42I
- 4:43came
- 4:43across.
- 4:44Who's
- 4:44the
- 4:45most
- 4:45creative
- 4:45person
- 4:46that
- 4:46you
- 4:46know?
- 4:47Ah,
- 4:50wow.
- 4:51You
- 4:52know,
- 4:52the
- 4:52reason
- 4:52why
- 4:52I
- 4:52ask
- 4:53these
- 4:53silly
- 4:53questions
- 4:54on
- 4:54Twitter
- 4:54and
- 4:55I
- 4:55tell
- 4:55everybody
- 4:56else
- 4:56is
- 4:56because
- 4:56I
- 4:57don't
- 4:57want
- 4:57to
- 4:57answer
- 4:58them.
- 4:59The
- 5:00most
- 5:00creative
- 5:01person
- 5:01I
- 5:02know.
- 5:05You
- 5:05know
- 5:05what
- 5:06it's
- 5:06probably
- 5:07going.
- 5:07I'm
- 5:08probably
- 5:08going
- 5:08to
- 5:08have
- 5:08to
- 5:08say
- 5:09Kevin
- 5:09Drew,
- 5:09who's
- 5:10the
- 5:10owner
- 5:10of
- 5:15Arts
- 5:15and
- 5:15Crafts
- 5:16Record,
- 5:16not
- 5:16only
- 5:16does
- 5:17he
- 5:17work
- 5:17with
- 5:17artists
- 5:18like
- 5:19Gordowney
- 5:20from
- 5:20the
- 5:20Tragically
- 5:21Hip
- 5:21and
- 5:21Andy
- 5:21Kim,
- 5:22but
- 5:23he
- 5:23works
- 5:23with
- 5:23a
- 5:23lot
- 5:23of
- 5:24new
- 5:24artists
- 5:24and
- 5:24I
- 5:24think
- 5:24he
- 5:25just
- 5:25has
- 5:25a
- 5:25real
- 5:25good
- 5:26eye
- 5:26for
- 5:26things.
- 5:27The
- 5:27creative
- 5:28artist
- 5:28that
- 5:28I.
- 5:29That
- 5:29I
- 5:29don't
- 5:30know
- 5:30is
- 5:31probably
- 5:31Taylor
- 5:31Swift.
- 5:32I
- 5:32mean,
- 5:32just
- 5:33go
- 5:33to
- 5:33her
- 5:33Instagram,
- 5:33she's
- 5:34like,
- 5:34here's
- 5:34me
- 5:34with
- 5:35my
- 5:35squad.
- 5:35Here's
- 5:36me
- 5:36with
- 5:36my
- 5:36cats.
- 5:37Here's
- 5:37me
- 5:37sleeping
- 5:37on
- 5:37a
- 5:38plane.
- 5:38Buy
- 5:38my
- 5:38single.
- 5:39Here's
- 5:39me,
- 5:40you
- 5:40know,
- 5:41walking
- 5:41in
- 5:41the
- 5:41park.
- 5:42Here's
- 5:42me
- 5:43making
- 5:43gifts
- 5:43for
- 5:44people
- 5:44that
- 5:44they
- 5:44don't
- 5:45know.
- 5:45Here's
- 5:45me
- 5:46spending
- 5:46$50,000
- 5:47on
- 5:47a
- 5:47student
- 5:48that
- 5:48needs
- 5:48money
- 5:49buy
- 5:49my
- 5:49album.
- 5:50And
- 5:50I
- 5:51think
- 5:51she's
- 5:51utterly
- 5:52fascinating
- 5:53because
- 5:54she
- 5:54makes
- 5:54the
- 5:55narrative
- 5:55of
- 5:56her
- 5:56songs
- 5:57match
- 5:57up
- 5:58perfectly
- 5:58to
- 5:59where
- 5:59her
- 5:59life
- 5:59is.
- 6:00So
- 6:01yeah,
- 6:01I
- 6:01would
- 6:01say
- 6:01her.
- 6:03What
- 6:04are
- 6:04some
- 6:04things
- 6:04on
- 6:05social
- 6:05media
- 6:05that
- 6:06you
- 6:06see
- 6:06artists
- 6:06do
- 6:07that
- 6:07you
- 6:07would
- 6:07probably
- 6:07caution
- 6:08them
- 6:08to
- 6:08maybe
- 6:08stop
- 6:09doing.
- 6:11Giving
- 6:11their
- 6:12opinion?
- 6:13Oh.
- 6:15I
- 6:16agree.
- 6:17You
- 6:17know,
- 6:18the
- 6:18artists
- 6:18have
- 6:19to
- 6:19understand
- 6:19that
- 6:20the
- 6:20minute
- 6:20that
- 6:20they
- 6:20talk
- 6:21about
- 6:21something
- 6:22that
- 6:22they
- 6:23feel
- 6:24they
- 6:24could
- 6:25potentially
- 6:25lose
- 6:26at
- 6:26least
- 6:2750%
- 6:27of
- 6:27their
- 6:27audience.
- 6:29So
- 6:29that's
- 6:29okay.
- 6:30Just
- 6:30don't
- 6:31be
- 6:31surprised
- 6:32when
- 6:32you
- 6:32post
- 6:33about
- 6:34Donald
- 6:34Trump
- 6:34or
- 6:35Joe
- 6:35Biden.
- 6:36No
- 6:36matter
- 6:36how
- 6:37good
- 6:37and
- 6:38powerful
- 6:38you
- 6:39think
- 6:39both
- 6:39those
- 6:40people
- 6:40are,
- 6:41they're
- 6:42the
- 6:42opposite
- 6:42effect.
- 6:43That
- 6:43is
- 6:43going
- 6:43to
- 6:43happen
- 6:44with
- 6:44it
- 6:44and
- 6:44we're
- 6:44seeing
- 6:45it
- 6:45now.
- 6:45You
- 6:46know,
- 6:47there
- 6:47are
- 6:48absolutely
- 6:49the
- 6:49absolute
- 6:50right
- 6:50for
- 6:50artists
- 6:51to
- 6:51speak
- 6:51out
- 6:51and
- 6:51talk
- 6:52about
- 6:52their
- 6:52mind
- 6:53and
- 6:53talk
- 6:54about
- 6:54what's
- 6:54going
- 6:54on
- 6:55in
- 6:55their
- 6:55head.
- 6:56Just
- 6:56don't
- 6:56be
- 6:56surprised
- 6:57when
- 6:57you
- 6:57start
- 6:57telling
- 6:58people
- 6:58to
- 6:58wear
- 6:58a
- 6:59mask
- 6:59or
- 6:59when
- 6:59you
- 7:00go
- 7:00outside.
- 7:00Something
- 7:01that
- 7:01is
- 7:01so
- 7:01universally
- 7:02accepted
- 7:03is
- 7:04not
- 7:04when
- 7:04you
- 7:05find
- 7:05out
- 7:05that
- 7:05is
- 7:05universally
- 7:06accepted.
- 7:07When
- 7:08I
- 7:08post
- 7:08about
- 7:08wear
- 7:09a
- 7:09mask,
- 7:09I
- 7:09can't
- 7:10wait
- 7:10until
- 7:10I
- 7:10get
- 7:10the
- 7:11virus.
- 7:11There
- 7:11are
- 7:12people
- 7:12who
- 7:12will
- 7:13unfollow
- 7:13me
- 7:13because
- 7:14they
- 7:14believe
- 7:15that
- 7:15while
- 7:15they
- 7:16are
- 7:16typing
- 7:16this
- 7:17on
- 7:17their
- 7:17phone
- 7:19and
- 7:19having
- 7:20social
- 7:20media
- 7:21apps
- 7:21on
- 7:21their
- 7:22phone
- 7:22following
- 7:23them,
- 7:23tracking
- 7:23them
- 7:24while
- 7:24they
- 7:24do
- 7:25waze
- 7:26on
- 7:26their
- 7:26phone,
- 7:28there
- 7:28are
- 7:28people
- 7:28that
- 7:29are
- 7:29complaining
- 7:29that
- 7:29there
- 7:30is
- 7:30a
- 7:30microchip
- 7:31in
- 7:31the
- 7:31virus
- 7:32while
- 7:32they
- 7:33are
- 7:33on
- 7:33their
- 7:33phone
- 7:34tracking.
- 7:35So
- 7:35you
- 7:35know,
- 7:36hypocrisy
- 7:36is
- 7:37not
- 7:37one
- 7:37of
- 7:37human
- 7:38beings
- 7:38finest
- 7:38points.
- 7:39But
- 7:39I
- 7:39would,
- 7:40you
- 7:40know,
- 7:40it's
- 7:41not
- 7:41so
- 7:41much
- 7:41that
- 7:41I
- 7:42tell
- 7:43them
- 7:43to
- 7:43do,
- 7:44to
- 7:44not
- 7:44do
- 7:44this
- 7:44or
- 7:45say
- 7:45this,
- 7:45but
- 7:46whenever
- 7:46we
- 7:46kind
- 7:46of
- 7:47get
- 7:47into
- 7:47the
- 7:47whole
- 7:47like,
- 7:48look,
- 7:49people
- 7:49have
- 7:49to
- 7:49know
- 7:49who
- 7:50you
- 7:50are
- 7:50as
- 7:50a
- 7:50person
- 7:50in
- 7:51order
- 7:51for
- 7:51them
- 7:51to
- 7:52really
- 7:52follow
- 7:52you
- 7:52and
- 7:53like
- 7:53you.
- 7:53They'll
- 7:54love
- 7:54your
- 7:54song.
- 7:55But
- 7:55if
- 7:55they
- 7:55really
- 7:55want
- 7:56to
- 7:56turn
- 7:56into
- 7:56a
- 7:56hardcore
- 7:57fan,
- 7:57they
- 7:57have
- 7:57to
- 7:57know
- 7:58who
- 7:58you
- 7:58are.
- 7:58Be
- 7:59really,
- 7:59really
- 7:59cautious
- 8:00of
- 8:00that
- 8:00because
- 8:00even
- 8:01where
- 8:01you
- 8:01stand
- 8:02politically
- 8:03and
- 8:03cancel
- 8:03culture,
- 8:04which
- 8:04is
- 8:04probably
- 8:04the
- 8:05worst
- 8:05thing
- 8:05that
- 8:05ever
- 8:05happened
- 8:06to
- 8:06social
- 8:06media
- 8:07where,
- 8:08you
- 8:08know,
- 8:08actors
- 8:08and
- 8:08actresses
- 8:09are
- 8:09getting
- 8:09canceled
- 8:10based
- 8:10on,
- 8:10on
- 8:11who
- 8:11they're
- 8:11voting
- 8:11for.
- 8:12It
- 8:12never
- 8:12used
- 8:13to
- 8:13be
- 8:13like
- 8:13that.
- 8:14It
- 8:14never
- 8:14used
- 8:14to
- 8:15be
- 8:15like
- 8:15that.
- 8:15Yeah,
- 8:15so
- 8:16part
- 8:16of
- 8:16it
- 8:16is
- 8:16like,
- 8:16thank
- 8:17God
- 8:17we
- 8:17all
- 8:17know
- 8:18now
- 8:18who,
- 8:18what
- 8:18kind
- 8:18of
- 8:19people
- 8:19they
- 8:19are.
- 8:19But
- 8:19it's
- 8:20also
- 8:20like,
- 8:20wow,
- 8:21it's
- 8:21okay
- 8:21if
- 8:21somebody
- 8:22disagrees
- 8:22with
- 8:22you.
- 8:25God
- 8:25forbid.