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Beatty Carmichael – Outrageous Peace · Vox Novus with Victor Fuhrman

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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice, Vox Novus, the New Dimension,
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus thought and movement leaders who will share from
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Speaker 1: their experience and offer tools to help us navigate our
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Speaker 1: rapidly changing world. My name is Victor Furman. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: Vox Novus, the New Voice. Many people are doing everything
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Speaker 1: they're told to do. They read the books, they follow
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Speaker 1: the advice, they work on mindset, habits, emotional regulation and
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Speaker 1: self awareness, and yet peace keeps slipping away. After more
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Speaker 1: than a decade working with people who feel overwhelmed, anxious, stuck,
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Speaker 1: or quietly burdened, Baty Carmichael has observed a counterintuitive truth
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Speaker 1: most self help overlooks. Lasting peace doesn't come from trying harder.
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Speaker 1: It comes from addressing internal misalignment that quietly keeps pressure
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Speaker 1: in place. Baty Carmichael is a piece and alignment expert
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Speaker 1: whose work focuses on helping people reduce internal pressure by
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Speaker 1: identifying and releasing unseen friction that disrupts mental, emotional, and
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Speaker 1: physical wellbeing. His first book, The Prayer of Freedom, is
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Speaker 1: currently selling more than five hundred copies per day. His
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Speaker 1: website is outrageous piece dot com, and he joins me
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Speaker 1: this week to share his path and newest book, Outrageous Piece.
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Speaker 1: Please join me in welcoming to box Nobus. Baity Carmichael, Welcome,
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Speaker 1: Beaty Well, Hello, thank you, Thank you. Sir. Betty, your
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Speaker 1: bio describes you as a piece alignment expert. Please share
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Speaker 1: with us your path and how it led to this calling.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's really kind of an interesting path. Victor.
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Speaker 2: What actually happened with me is I was born into
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Speaker 2: a medical family, I married into a medical family, and
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Speaker 2: then I went into business. But about ten years ago
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Speaker 2: I just felt this deep impression in my heart to
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Speaker 2: work on helping people get free. And a lot of
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Speaker 2: it may be tied to my father in law. He
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Speaker 2: was one of those old internal medicine doctors for probably
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Speaker 2: fifty or sixty years in the latter half of nineteen hundreds,
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Speaker 2: and this is back before pharmaceuticals became kind of like
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Speaker 2: the rage. And he always told me that health was
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Speaker 2: based on three pillars mental, physical, and spiritual, and when
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Speaker 2: people would come to him, he would talk to them,
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Speaker 2: find out what's going on, and identify where they're problem
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Speaker 2: may be originating from. So about ten years ago when
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Speaker 2: I started to have this just this deep urge in
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Speaker 2: my heart to go help people. I started remembering that,
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Speaker 2: and one thing led to another. I started to research
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Speaker 2: some of the ancient Bible text on spiritual stuff if
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Speaker 2: part of this health was in the spiritual side of things,
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Speaker 2: and I started to see things I never never knew about.
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Speaker 2: Then I started to test them. In business, in marketing,
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Speaker 2: you test everything you do split ab tests, try and
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Speaker 2: see what works and what doesn't, letting the market tell
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Speaker 2: you what's true for them. So I started to apply
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Speaker 2: that same thing in this whole arena of peace and
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Speaker 2: alignment and health, and I started to see patterns that
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Speaker 2: led me to eventually where I am now helping people
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Speaker 2: get free of things liking size and depression, chronic pain,
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Speaker 2: our addictions, and things of that sort. And it's all
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Speaker 2: tied to really what my father in law was doing
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Speaker 2: for years, but now I've taken it probably to another level.
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Speaker 2: So that's a brief overview of my journey how I
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Speaker 2: got here, and it's you know, it's nothing I designed.
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Speaker 2: It's just something that seems to have happened automatically.
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Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting, and I'll share a personal story
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Speaker 1: with you. I had been in the welding equipment and
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Speaker 1: welding technology business for forty six years. But about twenty
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Speaker 1: five years ago, through a series of synchronicities, I had
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Speaker 1: a calling to do something for others and it led
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Speaker 1: me to an organization called the New Seminary of New York,
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Speaker 1: which was one of the first interfaith seminaries in the world,
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Speaker 1: and I spent two years there learning in addition to
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Speaker 1: my day job in the welding technology industry, and when
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Speaker 1: I graduated in nineteen ninety seven, my plan were to
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Speaker 1: share whatever I could with others, to do counseling and
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Speaker 1: so on. My wife and I both became chaplains for
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Speaker 1: the Red Cross after nine to eleven. And so even
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Speaker 1: though I had this opinion of what I was going
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Speaker 1: to do with this, spirit had a different opinion in
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Speaker 1: mine and basically led me on a path that led
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Speaker 1: me to doing these shows that I do today and
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Speaker 1: to helping people and counseling people into helping those who
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Speaker 1: are grieving, especially that's one of my big callings, helping
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Speaker 1: those who are grieving. Yeah, and so I totally understand
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Speaker 1: that that's a wonderful, wonderful story. Thank you for sharing that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know now that I know your pathway it
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Speaker 2: seems similar to mine. I didn't go to seminary or
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Speaker 2: anything like that, but I knew that there was more.
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Speaker 2: You know, what I started to see was this people
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Speaker 2: were being stuck and they're doing all the right things
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Speaker 2: according to what they were told. But I started to
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Speaker 2: think through you know, I'm very I said, well, if
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Speaker 2: you're doing all the right things and you're still stuck
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Speaker 2: with whatever that issue was, then is it really the
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Speaker 2: right thing or is it just the only thing that
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Speaker 2: people think is the right thing. And that's when I
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Speaker 2: started to say, well, you know, I'm not a scientist.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand the body mechanics, I don't understand psychology,
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Speaker 2: but I do understand the spiritual side a little bit more.
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Speaker 2: So that's where I kind of dug in. And it
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Speaker 2: was really interesting, Victor. One of the things that I
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Speaker 2: started to see in these ancient religious texts is it
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Speaker 2: started to give patterns of framework, as I would call it,
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Speaker 2: of when we do things that are out of alignment
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Speaker 2: with the creator God and how he designed mankind to live.
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Speaker 2: Then it says that things like sickness or disease or
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Speaker 2: disasters will start to come into our lives, and it
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Speaker 2: actually uses a word cling to you, and I thought
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Speaker 2: immediately back on the Hindu religion, where they have this
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Speaker 2: concept of most people have heard of karma, and their
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Speaker 2: concept of karma is if you do bad things, bad
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Speaker 2: things happen to you, so they see the same pattern.
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Speaker 2: But one of the things that I started to see
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Speaker 2: in the Bible stuff is it said to get rid
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Speaker 2: of these things, you have to release what you're holding
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Speaker 2: on in that spiritual side of our life that shouldn't
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Speaker 2: be there, those things that were violating our conscience on
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Speaker 2: and when you release it, then those things that are
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Speaker 2: clinging to you disappear. So like here's a simple example,
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Speaker 2: I was talking to an acquaintance of mine and he
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Speaker 2: was sharing that he was being eaten up. His words said,
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Speaker 2: I'm being eaten up with anxiety. He said. I went
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Speaker 2: to the doctor. I'm assuming it was probably six or
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Speaker 2: eight months earlier, and the doctor said, yep, you've got anxiety.
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Speaker 2: It's going to be with you the rest of your
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Speaker 2: life life, so let's get you on meds. And that's
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Speaker 2: the extent of what our healthcare system understands about anxiety.
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Speaker 2: But over the years, I started realizing that most things
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Speaker 2: like anxiety or panic attacks actually have a root and
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Speaker 2: holding on to fear that we should have let go.
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Speaker 2: Not all of it, but very frequently. So I asked him,
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Speaker 2: I said, how long have you been experiencing anxiety? He
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Speaker 2: said about a year and a half ago. So I
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Speaker 2: then asked him, I said, did anything happen a year
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Speaker 2: and a half ago where you became terribly afraid? He
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Speaker 2: said yes, I remember the day exactly. He said, my
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Speaker 2: wife had a breast exam. They found lumps, and I
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Speaker 2: became terribly afraid. And I said, well, I think that's
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Speaker 2: probably the source of your anxiety, because this is what
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Speaker 2: the Bible techs start to talk about. When you hold
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Speaker 2: onto things that your conscience says, just let it go,
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Speaker 2: but you hold on to it. Then it gets us
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Speaker 2: out of balance spiritually. And even though it may seem
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Speaker 2: like a little thing, like right now, I've got a
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Speaker 2: glass of water in my hand, it's really easy to hold,
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Speaker 2: but if I had to hold it for an entire
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Speaker 2: twenty four hours, it would be incredibly difficult. And so
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Speaker 2: when we hold onto little things for a long time,
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Speaker 2: the amount of stress that it creates in our mental
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Speaker 2: and physical sides can be enormous. So I guided him
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Speaker 2: how to simply release that and say, I know I
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be afraid because my fear isn't going to change
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Speaker 2: anything going on with a diagnosis. So I choose to
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Speaker 2: release it, and I watched on my watch and in
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Speaker 2: four minutes his anxiety completely disappeared. So this is the
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Speaker 2: type of stuff I'm seeing, and like you, you know, it's
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Speaker 2: changed the trajectory of my life from being in business
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Speaker 2: and marketing to saying, I've got to get this message
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Speaker 2: out and that's what I'm doing these days for the
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Speaker 2: last year and a half.
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Speaker 1: Now, tell us about your work in the Addiction Center.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Addiction Center is actually the largest women's
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Speaker 2: residential addiction center in North America. It's here in my
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Speaker 2: city and they house over five hundred women and about
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Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty children. For the women, and my
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Speaker 2: class is really interesting. It's the favorite class among all
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Speaker 2: the women that when they come through because by taking
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Speaker 2: this approach of recognizing there's a spiritual site to our
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Speaker 2: life that could be causing the issues that we have
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Speaker 2: in the physical side of our lives, I'm seeing I
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Speaker 2: actually statistically measured this one about eighty seven percent of
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Speaker 2: the women that go through this process. In a month,
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Speaker 2: the addiction urges go to zero. Their mental health issues.
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Speaker 2: This is like on a scale of zero to ten,
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Speaker 2: with ten being worse. They see those mental issues go
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Speaker 2: to zero, things like anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorders.
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Speaker 2: On their chronic pain. They're usually dealing with a lot
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Speaker 2: of chronic pain, everything from migraines to arthritis, fibromyagia, joint pains,
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Speaker 2: things of that sort. Those typically go to zero. And
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Speaker 2: then persistent sicknesses like asthma, allergies, COPD. I'm seeing those
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Speaker 2: things disappear, so about eighty seven percent of the women
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Speaker 2: when they go through this and simply handling those issues
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Speaker 2: as maybe something that they're holding onto that they didn't
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Speaker 2: realize they're holding onto, but they're holding onto it and
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Speaker 2: it's a spiritual component of our life, but it's now
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Speaker 2: manifesting in those issues. So when they go through and
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Speaker 2: systematically release these things, I'm seeing those things clear up.
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Speaker 2: So it's really exciting because everyone's telling them, you'll have
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Speaker 2: this the rest of your life. They've gone Most of
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Speaker 2: these women have been in and out of recovery centers
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Speaker 2: for years, in and out of jail for years. Half
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Speaker 2: of them are still wearing the GPS bracelets on their
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Speaker 2: ankles because they're there by court order. Instead of going
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Speaker 2: to jail, they come to the recovery center and I'm
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Speaker 2: just seeing tremendous results of those people literally getting free.
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Speaker 1: That's wonderful. You know, it's interesting. Many people know what
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Speaker 1: a therapist is, someone who you go to to deal
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Speaker 1: with problems that you're having in your life. But how
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Speaker 1: would you describe being a peace and alignment expert.
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Speaker 2: That's the hardest thing to describe. So this is the
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Speaker 2: first thing that comes to mind. Most of us understand
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Speaker 2: a doctor. You know, you're either an internal medicine doctor,
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Speaker 2: orthopedic doctor, a mental doctor that they call a psychologist
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Speaker 2: or psychiatrist. I guess, I guess I'm a spiritual doctor, right.
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Speaker 2: But the real thing is most people don't understand peace.
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Speaker 2: So let me see if this makes sense. These women
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Speaker 2: when they come into my class, there's almost no peace
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Speaker 2: in their lives. Their addiction urgers are frequent and constant.
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Speaker 2: They do things with an addiction that they don't want
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Speaker 2: to do, but they can't resist doing it. Everyone tells them, well,
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Speaker 2: it's all in your mind. Just stop doing it. But
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Speaker 2: it's something deeper. They're dealing with anxiety, they're dealing with
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Speaker 2: all kinds of sicknesses, and that's not a peaceful life.
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Speaker 2: Peace in my mind, so I think this is my
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Speaker 2: definition of peace, and then this may help with clarifying
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Speaker 2: my answer. If you think of our life as a
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Speaker 2: three legged stool, and each of those three legs are mental, physical,
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Speaker 2: and spiritual, When every leg is solid and strong, that
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Speaker 2: still is steady, and that still represents our life, our
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Speaker 2: internal being. So when all three legs are strong, then
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Speaker 2: there's perfect peace in our life. Regardless of what's happening
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Speaker 2: on the outside of our life. It doesn't you know.
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Speaker 2: We can be going through problems with relationships, problems with job,
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Speaker 2: problems with other stuff, but internally we're rock solid. That's peace,
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Speaker 2: and most people don't realize that that piece actually originates
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Speaker 2: from the inside of us, the spiritual component of us,
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Speaker 2: not from the outside. We try to calm it by
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Speaker 2: taking medications if it's a mental issue, doing mindset thinking.
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Speaker 2: If it's a mental issue, we try to calm it
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Speaker 2: by doing therapy if it's a physical issue, but we're
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Speaker 2: trying to apply physical, outside input to something that's actually
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Speaker 2: a spiritual item and it never crosses that gamut. So
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Speaker 2: I'm guiding people and just understanding more of the spiritual
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Speaker 2: side of life, not the religious, but that component that's
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Speaker 2: neither physical or mental, and helping them restore peace that
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Speaker 2: many of them haven't experienced for years. I remember this
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Speaker 2: one guy, it's actually his name is David. He was
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Speaker 2: the host of a show very similar to this, and
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Speaker 2: the last time he had felt peace in his life
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Speaker 2: was in his early teens and before that. But something
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Speaker 2: happened at age fourteen. He's forty six forty now, so
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Speaker 2: that's twenty six years. Something happened at that moment that
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Speaker 2: he's been dealing with constant anxiety and depression. On a
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Speaker 2: scale of zero to ten, it's almost always an eight.
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Speaker 2: And yet in guiding him on that show by analyzing
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Speaker 2: what may have happened at age fourteen, it all disappeared
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Speaker 2: on the show. It was the first time he had
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Speaker 2: felt peace in his life twenty six years. So that's
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Speaker 2: what I'm doing. So when you say I'm a piece
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Speaker 2: and alignment expert, it's helping people just understand alignment spiritually
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Speaker 2: that brings peace back into their life. That they've been
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Speaker 2: struggling for and fighting for for years, but never understood
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Speaker 2: where the route was.
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Speaker 1: And we're going to go deeper into that a little
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Speaker 1: later on. But before we discuss your newest book, Outrageous Piece,
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Speaker 1: please tell us about your first book, which I understand
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Speaker 1: by the way, he's a bestseller, The Prayer of Freedom.
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Speaker 1: What inspired that book and what do you share with
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Speaker 1: your readers?
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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. When I wrote Outrageous Piece, my
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Speaker 2: son said, Dad, you wrote the sequel first and the
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Speaker 2: first part second. So the Prayer Freedom is the full,
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Speaker 2: big version of this. I spent ten years going through testing, tracking,
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Speaker 2: documenting what works, what doesn't, and then I wrote the
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Speaker 2: Prayer Freedom to really give kind of two. It's based
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Speaker 2: in two components. Number one, what's happening on the spiritual
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Speaker 2: side of our life? And where do we see it
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Speaker 2: in these ancient Bible texts that start to give glimpses
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Speaker 2: of this. I say, it's been hidden in plain sight.
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Speaker 2: And then the most important part of my book is
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Speaker 2: chapter twelve. I had started to see the pattern and
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Speaker 2: created a step by step system of where to identify
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Speaker 2: where we're out of alignment spiritually in different categories things
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Speaker 2: like being unforgiveness, relationships that severed that weren't closed with
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Speaker 2: a good ending, things that we do in dark side
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Speaker 2: of light that we knew we probably shouldn't be doing
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Speaker 2: those things, but we did it anyway, all the way
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Speaker 2: through to lots of different I'll call them vertical categories
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Speaker 2: of where we have misalignment. And it's a step by
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Speaker 2: step process. Like when I teach at the Addiction Recovery Center,
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Speaker 2: I teach the concept, but I simply give them my
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Speaker 2: book and I require them to do chapter twelve. So
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Speaker 2: it's their homework assignment. They're doing it all on their own,
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Speaker 2: and that's what's setting people free. Then outrageous peace is
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Speaker 2: an entry level to this whole thing. So if you
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Speaker 2: think about this understanding of the spiritual component of our
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Speaker 2: life being a swimming pool, okay, and how to navigate
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Speaker 2: this spiritual component is the water within the swimming pool.
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Speaker 2: So the prayer freedom you jump in basically in the
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Speaker 2: middle section of the pool and straight into the deep end.
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Speaker 2: Outrageous peace comes in at the zero entry. It makes
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Speaker 2: it really easy for someone who's not really spiritually aligned.
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Speaker 2: They don't think about things spiritually in any way. And
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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about just church. I'm just talking about
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Speaker 2: generally speaking. So it takes you in at a very
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Speaker 2: simple concept in understanding this spiritual component, how things that
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Speaker 2: we do impact things that we feel in experience, and
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Speaker 2: it kind of takes you gently from the zero entry
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Speaker 2: of that swimming pool right into the beginning of the
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Speaker 2: middle section of the pool. And that's how my two
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Speaker 2: books interact.
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Speaker 1: So it's like dipping your toes in the water and
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Speaker 1: then waiting into the middle of the pool.
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Speaker 2: That's it. That's Outrageous Peace. And if someone's dealing with
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Speaker 2: struggles and they really want free I say, hey, just
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Speaker 2: jump jump on in the middle end right start there.
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Speaker 2: You don't have to dip your toe in bit by
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Speaker 2: bit at the beginning. But you know, if someone's here's
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Speaker 2: the way I like to if someone's dealing with just
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Speaker 2: nagging anxiety or depression or nagging chronic pain. But it's
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Speaker 2: not like really destroying your life disrupting it. Outrageous Piece
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Speaker 2: usually handles it real easy and it's only a thirty
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Speaker 2: minute read, so it's like real quick to get into.
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Speaker 2: But if someone's been dealing with stuff that's heavy that
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Speaker 2: they can't get rid of and it's really messing up
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Speaker 2: their life and they want to get free. I encourage
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Speaker 2: them to check out the Prayer Freedom because it's more comprehensive.
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Speaker 1: My guest is Baty Carmichael. His new book Outrageous Piece,
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Speaker 1: a practical path to real piece even when nothing else
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Speaker 1: has worked. Baby, Please share with our listeners where they
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Speaker 1: can get your books and find out more about you
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Speaker 1: and your wonderful work.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely so. If you simply add a dot com
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Speaker 2: to each book type, well that's where to go. Like,
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Speaker 2: if you want this simple easy entry book, Outrageous Piece,
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Speaker 2: you simply go to Outrageous Piece dot com. And if
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Speaker 2: you want the more comprehensive version because you are a
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Speaker 2: loved one just dealing with a lot of things in
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Speaker 2: your life, then that book is the Prayer of Freedom,
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Speaker 2: and you simply go to the Prayer offreedom dot com
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Speaker 2: and you'll get information on both. I have some videos
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Speaker 2: what's really cool on the Prayerfreedom dot com. I even
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Speaker 2: have live demonstrations you can watch as I guide people
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Speaker 2: through this process and you'll see things clear up literally
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Speaker 2: in minutes. Because if the root is on the spiritual side,
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Speaker 2: once you get rid of that, it disappears usually pretty
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Speaker 2: quickly on a lot of things, so it's a lot
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Speaker 2: of fun to watch that happen. But that's where you
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Speaker 2: go Outrageous Peace dot com or the Prayer Freedom dot com.
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Speaker 1: And we'll be back with more of Baby Carmichael after
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Speaker 1: Back on Box Novus, my guest this week Betty Carmichael
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Speaker 1: his newest book, Outrageous Piece, A Practical Path to real
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Speaker 1: Peace when nothing else has worked? Bety, Is there a
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Speaker 1: difference between peace and calm?
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Speaker 2: There actually is victory and is a huge difference. Most
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Speaker 2: people think of peace and calm as the same, but
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Speaker 2: their source and their longngevity is what defines the difference.
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Speaker 2: So calm is when you force it from the outside.
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Speaker 2: So think about this. You come into your room, you
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Speaker 2: close all the doors, turn off your cell phone, you
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Speaker 2: put on some soothing music, turned down the lights, and
23:18
Speaker 2: you can sit there and you can calm yourself. It's
23:21
Speaker 2: a temporary discipline, forceful calm in your life because there's something,
23:29
Speaker 2: there's an undercurrent in your life that just won't turn off.
23:32
Speaker 2: And this allows you just to relax. But as soon
23:35
Speaker 2: as you're outside of that environment, you open the doors,
23:39
Speaker 2: turn your phone back on, it's like everything hits you
23:43
Speaker 2: all over again. Peace comes from the inside and it's
23:48
Speaker 2: permanent until you remove it again. Once you establish peace,
23:53
Speaker 2: the best way to describe peace. I remember we were
23:56
Speaker 2: on a family vacation and we were driving through Montana.
24:01
Speaker 2: We're in a minivan, me, my wife, and our kids,
24:04
Speaker 2: and it was a horrible downpour. Outside. It was raining
24:08
Speaker 2: cats and dogs, sounded like hammers hitting the car, and
24:13
Speaker 2: outside you could barely see. You had to slow down
24:15
Speaker 2: on the interstate to like twenty five miles an hour.
24:19
Speaker 2: But inside everything was perfect. It was completely dry, the
24:24
Speaker 2: temperature was perfect. Everyone loving. What's going on outside it's chaos,
24:30
Speaker 2: and when you have calm in your life. That's what
24:33
Speaker 2: it looks like. Outside can be chaos, but inside is
24:37
Speaker 2: perfectly calm. I remember there was a neighbor that moved
24:41
Speaker 2: into our neighborhood and she would walk through the neighborhood
24:45
Speaker 2: and every time she's walking, it looks like she's just
24:50
Speaker 2: pissed off. I mean, she's just mad. She's walking with
24:53
Speaker 2: these stiff, jerky movements and you could tell something's driving her.
25:00
Speaker 2: And I later saw her bumper sticker. She has a
25:04
Speaker 2: bumper sticker that says, I run to get the crazies out.
25:08
Speaker 2: So that's someone who has no peace in her life.
25:11
Speaker 2: It's like there's this undercurrent of something that's twenty four
25:14
Speaker 2: to seven and she thinks that exercising will get it out.
25:19
Speaker 2: And all exercise does is it brings a temporary calm
25:23
Speaker 2: that controls it. But there's something underneath the surface. And
25:27
Speaker 2: that's the difference between peace, which is calm underneath the
25:30
Speaker 2: surface versus calm where you're disrupted underneath the surface and
25:35
Speaker 2: you simply try to force it from the outside. Does
25:38
Speaker 2: that make sense absolutely?
25:40
Speaker 1: You know, it brings up the question does peace on
25:43
Speaker 1: the inside abate the lack of peace in our world.
25:49
Speaker 2: If everyone had peace on the inside, I think it would.
25:53
Speaker 2: You know, It's sort of like, if you have one
25:55
Speaker 2: calm kid in a room, then the room is calm.
26:00
Speaker 2: If you have ten calm kids in the room, the
26:03
Speaker 2: room is calm. But just because you have a calm kid,
26:07
Speaker 2: if you have nine other kids that are real anxious
26:10
Speaker 2: and disruptive, the room is still chaotic. Right, So the
26:14
Speaker 2: only way to have peace in the world is for
26:16
Speaker 2: everyone to have peace inside. And so that's the ultimate
26:21
Speaker 2: goal is help people get peaceful, and I think we'll
26:24
Speaker 2: see peace in the world start to become more reality.
26:28
Speaker 1: Why does peace seem to slip away even when we're
26:32
Speaker 1: doing everything right, Well, I.
26:36
Speaker 2: Would say that to do everything right means it actually
26:43
Speaker 2: goes away. So I would probably suggest that when we're
26:47
Speaker 2: doing everything right, probably the better phraseology is I'm doing
26:54
Speaker 2: everything I've been told to do, but it still isn't working.
26:58
Speaker 2: And I think what happens is this if you think
27:02
Speaker 2: about a green lawn, like I have a beautiful green
27:04
Speaker 2: lawn outside when I have a weed come up, then
27:09
Speaker 2: to do everything right is let's make the weed disappear.
27:13
Speaker 2: So I'm going to get the lawn more out and
27:14
Speaker 2: I'm going to cut my yard, and now you can't
27:17
Speaker 2: see the weed. Everything is perfectly calm from the outside.
27:22
Speaker 2: But in a day or two, I've got that ugly
27:24
Speaker 2: weed that's cropped back up in my yard and it
27:27
Speaker 2: looks ugly, and now my yard is no longer calm.
27:30
Speaker 2: So I keep trying to do the right things that
27:32
Speaker 2: I know, because the weed comes up, so let me
27:35
Speaker 2: keep cutting it down. But really the right thing to
27:39
Speaker 2: do is to realize that that weed has roots, and
27:43
Speaker 2: the roots are underneath the surface, not on top. Once
27:47
Speaker 2: I understand the concept of the weed with roots underneath,
27:52
Speaker 2: then if I can go down and get rid of
27:54
Speaker 2: the roots, I've got perfect peace and calm in my
27:57
Speaker 2: yard all the time. So the right thing to do
28:02
Speaker 2: is really to understand where's the source of the issue,
28:05
Speaker 2: and then get rid of the source. Most of the
28:08
Speaker 2: time we go to people who just never really trained
28:13
Speaker 2: on the spiritual side, and they don't realize that a
28:16
Speaker 2: lot of times the source is spiritual. Now, I'm not
28:18
Speaker 2: saying everything in our life is it has a spiritual root.
28:21
Speaker 2: There are a lot of things, like even if we
28:23
Speaker 2: talk about anxiety, there's some anxieties there are truly a
28:26
Speaker 2: chemical imbalance, or the same thing with depression, and you
28:29
Speaker 2: simply add a chemical to the body and everything completely disappears.
28:35
Speaker 2: But if you add a chemical to the body and
28:38
Speaker 2: all it does is it dulls it, but it doesn't disappear,
28:41
Speaker 2: then I would say that's not the right thing. It's
28:43
Speaker 2: probably a good band aid. It helps us make it
28:46
Speaker 2: through in life. But truly to do the right thing
28:49
Speaker 2: would be to get rid of the root. And once
28:52
Speaker 2: you do that, then you'll see it disappear.
28:55
Speaker 1: That brings up this interesting question. How do anxiety and
28:59
Speaker 1: pain reflect internal misalignment?
29:03
Speaker 2: This is the hardest part. I don't know the mechanism.
29:07
Speaker 2: I can only I can only share the patterns. Okay,
29:11
Speaker 2: and the pattern is. Let me give you the most
29:16
Speaker 2: common internal misalignment. It's unforgiveness. So when someone hurts us,
29:24
Speaker 2: either because they say something mean to us or they
29:27
Speaker 2: actually do something mean, like they abuse us in some capacity,
29:32
Speaker 2: our natural tendency is to be really upset at that
29:36
Speaker 2: person and to hold unforgiveness towards them because we think
29:41
Speaker 2: that unforgiveness is going to hurt them, but it's actually
29:46
Speaker 2: a poison we drink hoping to hurt them, but actually
29:49
Speaker 2: hurts ourselves. And when we don't release that unforgiveness, that's
29:55
Speaker 2: a misalignment in that spiritual leg of our life. And
29:58
Speaker 2: I see it fest and both anxiety and depression and
30:05
Speaker 2: chronic pain and allergies. So let me give you just
30:07
Speaker 2: a couple of examples. One lady I was working with.
30:12
Speaker 2: Her name is Susan. She was dealing with rheumatoid arthritis
30:17
Speaker 2: and she had it for twenty years. The doctors had
30:20
Speaker 2: diagnosed it when she was on medication, but this day
30:23
Speaker 2: it was a cold, balmy day and it was flaring up.
30:26
Speaker 2: So she asked if I could help her. I said sure,
30:29
Speaker 2: and I asked if she had unforgiveness toward anyone. She
30:33
Speaker 2: said yes, About twenty years ago her sister did something
30:37
Speaker 2: against her mother that she had and she's never forgiven
30:41
Speaker 2: her sister. So I then asked her, I said, would
30:43
Speaker 2: you be willing to forgive your sister? So, now that
30:48
Speaker 2: she's thinking, well, maybe that unforgiveness could have something to
30:52
Speaker 2: do with my arthritis pain, I'd be willing to forgive.
30:56
Speaker 2: This is what I find when people realize that what
30:58
Speaker 2: they're doing maybe act be bringing more hurt to them
31:02
Speaker 2: than to someone else that they're quickly willing to forgive.
31:06
Speaker 2: So I guided Susan to forgive her sister. And if
31:11
Speaker 2: you think about unforgiveness, it's when we're holding onto something
31:15
Speaker 2: that we feel someone else took something from us, and forgiveness,
31:20
Speaker 2: the act of forgiveness is releasing that debt that they
31:24
Speaker 2: owe us. It doesn't mean that we forgive and forget,
31:29
Speaker 2: and it doesn't mean that if they did something criminal
31:31
Speaker 2: against us, like a terrible abuse, that we have to
31:37
Speaker 2: condone it and accept that it was okay. All forgiveness
31:41
Speaker 2: is simply releasing internally what you're holding onto in your
31:45
Speaker 2: heart that's destroying your life. So I guided Susan to
31:49
Speaker 2: simply forgive her sister. And Susan said that by the
31:54
Speaker 2: end of that day all of her arthritis pain had disappeared.
31:59
Speaker 2: She then caught up with me five weeks later and
32:02
Speaker 2: she said that she's had no arthritis pain ever since,
32:07
Speaker 2: and she went back to the doctor. He was so
32:10
Speaker 2: surprised that he retested her after four weeks of this,
32:15
Speaker 2: and he said that her body shows no arthritis in
32:19
Speaker 2: it at all. So that's one thing that you have
32:24
Speaker 2: a misalignment with unforgiveness. Turning into simply a chronic pain.
32:32
Speaker 2: I was working with another lady and she was dealing
32:36
Speaker 2: with deep depression and had been for years, and I
32:41
Speaker 2: guided her through the outrageous peace and prayer freedom process.
32:45
Speaker 2: I tried to identify where it began and how to
32:48
Speaker 2: release it. And it too was something that someone did
32:52
Speaker 2: against her, and she forgave that person and her depression
32:57
Speaker 2: started to disappear. So back on your other earlier question,
33:01
Speaker 2: how does this work? What I find is piece thins
33:06
Speaker 2: when we hold onto a misalignment spiritually, and a lot
33:09
Speaker 2: of times we don't even know that we're holding onto it.
33:12
Speaker 2: It's just a normal thing to be upset at somebody
33:15
Speaker 2: and to just simply say I can't forgive them. What
33:18
Speaker 2: they did was so bad, and so we feel a
33:21
Speaker 2: right to be able to hold onto it, but we
33:24
Speaker 2: literally just need to let it go. And when we
33:27
Speaker 2: don't let it go, it's just like that glass of water.
33:30
Speaker 2: It's easy to hold up, but the longer I hold it,
33:34
Speaker 2: the more stress and strain it puts on my muscles,
33:37
Speaker 2: to the point that my muscles are instantly fatigued. All
33:41
Speaker 2: I have to do is put the glass down, and
33:43
Speaker 2: my muscles quickly recover. And that's what I'm seeing with
33:47
Speaker 2: this thing as well, happening both mentally and physically, but
33:52
Speaker 2: originating from the spiritual side.
33:54
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I had a spiritual teacher who had lost
33:57
Speaker 1: his daughter and his wife in the Holocaust, and he said,
34:02
Speaker 1: and people would ask him, do you hate the Nazis?
34:05
Speaker 1: He says, I'll never hate. He says, I can't forgive,
34:08
Speaker 1: but I'll never hate, because hatred is like taking poison
34:11
Speaker 1: and expecting the other person to die.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And I would say that that is the root
34:19
Speaker 2: of most everything. So most of the things I see
34:22
Speaker 2: are tied to something that someone did against us. So
34:25
Speaker 2: like that lady in the neighborhood that says, I run
34:27
Speaker 2: to get the crazies out my guests. Based on the
34:30
Speaker 2: patterns I consistently see, somebody did something to her that
34:35
Speaker 2: she became furious about, and she never let it go,
34:38
Speaker 2: so now she's holding onto anger. In fact, the Bible
34:42
Speaker 2: says in one of the Passengers says, it says, do
34:45
Speaker 2: not let the sun go down on your anger. In
34:48
Speaker 2: other words, it's okay to get angry, that's a natural thing,
34:51
Speaker 2: but you got to release it. That man that had
34:54
Speaker 2: anxiety you know, he held on to fear. It's one
34:58
Speaker 2: thing to be afraid, it's another thing to hold on
35:01
Speaker 2: to it. And so all these things we have to
35:04
Speaker 2: learn to simply release, because when we don't release it,
35:08
Speaker 2: that's when this stuff starts happening. I remember one of
35:11
Speaker 2: the ladies at the Addiction Recovery Center. She was sexually
35:16
Speaker 2: abused at six and seven years old, became terribly fearful.
35:21
Speaker 2: She was later diagnosed with the extreme anxiety PTSD and
35:27
Speaker 2: bipolar disorder and borderline personality disorder. When she came into
35:32
Speaker 2: my class, she was taking four hundred milligrams a day
35:36
Speaker 2: of Saraquell for two hundred in the morning, two hundred
35:39
Speaker 2: at night, just to calm her nerves. She said she
35:41
Speaker 2: woke up afraid, always thinking something bad was going to
35:46
Speaker 2: happen to her. She was taking boost Peronne, she was
35:49
Speaker 2: taking zolof in sleep meds, So she was really messed up.
35:54
Speaker 2: And it all had the original source of that sexual
35:58
Speaker 2: being molested and the fear that came from all of that.
36:03
Speaker 2: So as she went through the prayer of freedom, outrageous
36:07
Speaker 2: peace process, she was more the deep end. So it
36:09
Speaker 2: was the prayer freedom process. As she went Through that,
36:12
Speaker 2: she was able to identify that stuff in her life,
36:16
Speaker 2: learned how to begin to release it, and within by
36:20
Speaker 2: the end of the next day, she said she was
36:24
Speaker 2: so everything was so calm in her life. She went
36:26
Speaker 2: to the psychiatrist and the psychiatrist said, well, if you're
36:30
Speaker 2: this good, you don't need the meds. They got her
36:33
Speaker 2: off meds that by the end of that day. That
36:37
Speaker 2: was two years ago. I was teaching a week ago.
36:40
Speaker 2: Back at the center, she's now on staff. She gave
36:43
Speaker 2: me a beer bag, a great big bear hug. She's
36:46
Speaker 2: never gone back on meds, she's never been anxious all
36:49
Speaker 2: of for bipolar disorder. Everything's gone in her life. And
36:52
Speaker 2: she said, your class changed my life. And that's that's
36:57
Speaker 2: what's happening. Is that just like your friend, to let
37:00
Speaker 2: go of these things. Otherwise it's your poison, not theirs.
37:04
Speaker 1: Absolutely, let's just give us a better definition of spiritual misalignment.
37:09
Speaker 1: How would give us an example of what something like
37:11
Speaker 1: that would be like?
37:13
Speaker 2: Okay, so there's several things. Okay, So if we look
37:17
Speaker 2: at what the Bible speaks about, is this spiritual misalignment?
37:21
Speaker 2: It says when we do things in a way that
37:24
Speaker 2: is outside of God's plan for our life. That that's
37:27
Speaker 2: the misalignment, and then when we release it. There's actually
37:33
Speaker 2: a passage in the Bible that says, when you release
37:36
Speaker 2: that misalignment, then you shall be healed. So that misalignment
37:42
Speaker 2: is anything that we know we should let go but
37:47
Speaker 2: we don't, so things like fear, anger, bitterness, unforgiveness. When
37:56
Speaker 2: we do something, I call it in the dark arts.
37:58
Speaker 2: I'm not sure of any other better way to describe it.
38:00
Speaker 2: But most people recognize they do something and their heart
38:05
Speaker 2: is pounding. They know they probably shouldn't be doing it.
38:07
Speaker 2: It's kind of weird, kind of scary, but they want
38:09
Speaker 2: to see what it's like. Anyway, that's a misalignment. Anytime
38:14
Speaker 2: your heart is saying don't do it, or your heart
38:17
Speaker 2: is saying you're guilty, you shouldn't have done that, that's
38:19
Speaker 2: your conscience speaking to you, and that's the misalignment. So
38:23
Speaker 2: anytime we do something that is saying not to do
38:26
Speaker 2: and we do it and we never release it, that's misalignment.
38:33
Speaker 2: Does that makeing sense? I can go deeper into that.
38:35
Speaker 1: No, that's a perfect explanation. Thank you so much for that.
38:38
Speaker 1: I think that's something that our listeners needed to hear.
38:41
Speaker 1: Why do effort based approaches to restore peace eventually stall.
38:47
Speaker 2: So if you think about effort, effort comes from our
38:50
Speaker 2: physical exertion. But if the issue is a spiritual misalignment
38:57
Speaker 2: holding on to something that you should let go, Oh,
39:01
Speaker 2: it got there not because of a physical error. It
39:06
Speaker 2: got there because of a spiritual error, if we use
39:09
Speaker 2: the word error. So nothing on the physical side of
39:12
Speaker 2: our life is going to transpose itself into the spiritual side.
39:19
Speaker 2: If you think about you know, most people believe that,
39:24
Speaker 2: you know, there's a we have a soul and we
39:26
Speaker 2: have a body, and the soul is in a different
39:29
Speaker 2: realm or dimension than our body. So there's nothing I
39:33
Speaker 2: can do by hitting my body that will actually impact
39:37
Speaker 2: my soul because it's not physical. So that's why the
39:41
Speaker 2: things that we exert with discipline into our physical side
39:46
Speaker 2: of our life never penetrate to our spiritual side. So
39:50
Speaker 2: we have to handle the spiritual side spiritually. But this
39:53
Speaker 2: is where it gets a little confusing. The way you
39:57
Speaker 2: handle it spiritually is by verbalizing that release. So let
40:03
Speaker 2: me give that example back. With Susan and her rheumatoried arthritis,
40:09
Speaker 2: it was a spiritual issue by holding unforgiveness towards her sister,
40:14
Speaker 2: that was the spiritual misalignment. So she spoke forth, I
40:20
Speaker 2: forgive my sister. And by speaking at forth, it's it
40:24
Speaker 2: kind of like it makes it real. And there's something
40:28
Speaker 2: about the spoken word that actually impacts that spiritual side
40:31
Speaker 2: of our life. So if she simply thought, okay, I'm
40:36
Speaker 2: thinking right now and I released my sister, but it's
40:39
Speaker 2: just in your thought, I find it doesn't really work.
40:42
Speaker 2: It's almost like you speak it out, so that speaking
40:46
Speaker 2: out is a physical exertion of our body, but it's
40:50
Speaker 2: not a discipline of our body. It's actually a releasing
40:54
Speaker 2: from the heart. I don't know if this is making sense.
40:57
Speaker 2: There's a a congruent, there's emerging of how we do
41:02
Speaker 2: it physically, but it's actually a spiritual activity. Is that
41:05
Speaker 2: making sense?
41:06
Speaker 1: Absolutely? And by enunciating, by speaking those words out, it
41:11
Speaker 1: was like she was giving a prayer.
41:13
Speaker 2: That's it. So prayer is simple way to thinking of
41:18
Speaker 2: prayer is it's speaking spiritually. And so like both the
41:25
Speaker 2: Prayer of Freedom and Outrageous Piece has a non religious
41:31
Speaker 2: prayer because it's the prayer that engages that spiritual side
41:35
Speaker 2: of our life. That's exactly what is it, and it's
41:38
Speaker 2: the speaking out that does that.
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Speaker 1: Back on blox Novus. My guest this week is Baty Carmichael,
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Speaker 1: his book Outrageous Piece, A practical path to real piece
42:42
Speaker 1: even when nothing else has worked. Baby. In Outrageous Piece,
42:47
Speaker 1: you offer a simple three step path to releasing pressure.
42:52
Speaker 1: You've touched upon that, but give us the full formula.
42:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is the concept, not the recipe. What
42:59
Speaker 2: I mean by that is the concept on how you
43:01
Speaker 2: bake a cake would be you mix flour and eggs
43:05
Speaker 2: and milk and other ingredients together, you stick it in
43:07
Speaker 2: the oven, and you get in thirty minutes you've got
43:09
Speaker 2: a cake. But the recipe determines exactly what type of
43:14
Speaker 2: cake you get. So the concept on this is a
43:19
Speaker 2: simple three step formula. Name it, locate it, release it.
43:25
Speaker 2: So let me explain further. My friend that I mentioned
43:31
Speaker 2: who was dealing with anxiety and for a year and
43:34
Speaker 2: a half. So naming it, he said, I've got anxiety.
43:39
Speaker 2: Me knowing how to get quickly to the root, I
43:43
Speaker 2: started to locate it. I said, how long did you
43:46
Speaker 2: have it? A year and a half. Did anything happen
43:49
Speaker 2: a year and a half ago that you became afraid? Yes? Okay,
43:52
Speaker 2: So now I located the exact instance where that fear,
43:57
Speaker 2: which is a spiritual misalignment he was holding onto. And
44:01
Speaker 2: then the third step is release it. I guided him
44:03
Speaker 2: how to release it, verbalizing I release that fear in
44:08
Speaker 2: my life from the doctor's prognosis. Okay, and then from
44:13
Speaker 2: there we're able to get rid of the anxiety. So
44:16
Speaker 2: it's name it, locate it, release it. And what I
44:20
Speaker 2: do in my book Outrageous Piece, chapter eight is actually
44:24
Speaker 2: the chapter where it's got this non religious prayer process
44:28
Speaker 2: that helps you ask your conscience where did this originate?
44:36
Speaker 2: So I can start to release it, and then it
44:38
Speaker 2: guides you how to release whatever comes up. But that's
44:41
Speaker 2: the process, name it, locate it, release it.
44:45
Speaker 1: And just addressing that one point you just made, a
44:47
Speaker 1: faith face is really not required for spiritual balance.
44:51
Speaker 2: There is no faith in tied into this. This is
44:54
Speaker 2: in fact, Victor, this is something that really surprised me.
44:58
Speaker 2: So I look at all this from a scientific standpoint.
45:03
Speaker 2: I mentioned I grew up in a medical family. What
45:06
Speaker 2: I did not mention is seven consecutive generations of medical doctors. Okay,
45:12
Speaker 2: so mentally we're wired to be scientists. And in science
45:19
Speaker 2: you prove things through empirical data, at least like the
45:23
Speaker 2: physical sciences, you can prove it with empirical data, and
45:26
Speaker 2: empirical data just in very simple concept, when you do
45:30
Speaker 2: the same activity and you get the identical result, then
45:33
Speaker 2: you can prove there is something there that has nothing
45:37
Speaker 2: to do with your belief system. So as I start
45:40
Speaker 2: to guide people through this and that this is where
45:42
Speaker 2: I wrote my original book, The Prayer Freedom, I started
45:46
Speaker 2: to see that it didn't matter one's religious affiliation or
45:51
Speaker 2: even if they were religious at all, even if they
45:53
Speaker 2: were spiritually minded or not, if they believed or not.
45:57
Speaker 2: Most people had no belief at all because they've been
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Speaker 2: dealing with these heavy issues for years. They've tried everything
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Speaker 2: and nothing's worked. So, if anything, they were skeptical as
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Speaker 2: opposed to hopeful, and yet it's still worked. So with this,
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Speaker 2: there's really no faith involved. It's there's something spiritual about
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Speaker 2: that third leg that directly impacts our other two legs.
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Speaker 2: And just as the Bible described is when you release it,
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Speaker 2: that's when that impact goes away. And it never says
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Speaker 2: you have to believe it. It just says that you
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Speaker 2: have to release it. So, yeah, there's no faith involved.
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Speaker 2: That was probably one of the biggest surprises for me
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Speaker 2: as I've been going through this.
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Speaker 1: You had given some examples of people holding on to
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Speaker 1: hurts and disappointments. Why does so many people seem to
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Speaker 1: hold on to those.
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Speaker 2: It feels good, you know, if someone one comes up
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Speaker 2: and stabs you in the back, proverbly speaking, that hurt
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Speaker 2: was so big it feels like you should never release them.
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Speaker 2: That fear that something happened to you was so big,
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Speaker 2: And a lot of times what happens with these fears
47:18
Speaker 2: is you'll find this is interesting too. Many of these
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Speaker 2: things go back to early childhood where we can't process
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Speaker 2: it in terms of understanding what caused someone to do that,
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Speaker 2: So we don't know what happened. We just become afraid,
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Speaker 2: let's say, or we stay angry. There's some other spiritual
47:38
Speaker 2: things that happen. But I really think that we think
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Speaker 2: it's okay because of what was done to us. It's
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Speaker 2: okay to feel that way against that person. But here's
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Speaker 2: a surprising thing, victor that I'm consistently finding. We think
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Speaker 2: it's okay until we understand the consequence to us. In fact,
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Speaker 2: in the Bible, there's a word that it uses called repent,
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Speaker 2: and it's like repent turned away from your sin is
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Speaker 2: the concept in the Bible. But the Greek word for
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Speaker 2: repent literally means to think again. And the idea is
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Speaker 2: you think going one way is okay, but then when
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Speaker 2: you recognize there's direct consequence to you, then you repent.
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Speaker 2: You think again, and you go, oh, maybe I should
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Speaker 2: actually release that thing. Maybe I should release that anger
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Speaker 2: against someone. Maybe I should release that bitterness or that
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Speaker 2: hurt or release whatever it may be. And once we
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Speaker 2: understand that there's direct consequence to us, Like you take
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Speaker 2: these ladies in the addiction Recovery center, most of them
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Speaker 2: have been physically and sexually abused, most of them have
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Speaker 2: been abandoned, most of them have been ostracized, and all
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Speaker 2: kinds of hurts, And so they're dealing with a lot
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Speaker 2: of things in their life that they are the victims
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Speaker 2: and they feel victimized. Once they recognize that holding on
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Speaker 2: to that victim status by not releasing these things and
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Speaker 2: just moving on. Once they realize that that may be
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Speaker 2: the source to all these issues in their lives, they're
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Speaker 2: very quick to be willing to release. But they weren't
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Speaker 2: willing to release it until they understood it was something
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Speaker 2: that's there was a problem that's doing in their life.
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Speaker 2: I think that's why most of us hold on to it.
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Speaker 2: We just don't understand. Once we understand, we're quickly let go.
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Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
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Speaker 1: Yes? And you had mentioned speaking words of forgiveness. What
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Speaker 1: are the right words that can be used in that
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Speaker 1: type of situation.
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Speaker 2: Well, it goes a little bit deeper than just the words,
49:48
Speaker 2: because with unforgiveness, there's several things that could be going on,
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Speaker 2: and without getting too complex, let me just quickly articulate
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Speaker 2: them because we won't have time to unpack them when
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Speaker 2: someone hurts me. Then there can sometimes be a spiritual
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Speaker 2: connection that I'm unaware of besides just the bitterness that
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Speaker 2: I have towards them. So when I lead someone to
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Speaker 2: say I forgive this person, I also guide them into
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Speaker 2: releasing any negative spiritual connection that may be there. And
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Speaker 2: this is especially if something was abusive where someone overpowered
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Speaker 2: you and abused you. But also with unforgiveness is a
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Speaker 2: concept the Bible speaks about a judgment, which is also
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Speaker 2: a spiritual misalignment, where it says do not judged or
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Speaker 2: you'll be judged in the same manner. And we don't
50:43
Speaker 2: really understand what that means. But a judgment is where
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Speaker 2: I say I am better than you because I never
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Speaker 2: would have done that. So now we not only hold
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Speaker 2: bitterness and unforgiveness toward them, but we're holding this judgment
50:57
Speaker 2: as well. So when I lead someone to give, I'm
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Speaker 2: usually doing not only the forgiveness, but guiding them, just
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Speaker 2: saying so the words is I forgive so and so,
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Speaker 2: And those words articulate the intent of your heart. That's
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Speaker 2: the key. It's not the words, it's that they're articulating
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Speaker 2: the intent of your heart, which is that spiritual part
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Speaker 2: of you. I then guide them into and I release
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Speaker 2: all judgments against that person, which is the spiritual intent
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Speaker 2: of your heart. And so it's those are the kind
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Speaker 2: of the words that I use, but they're representing the
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Speaker 2: intent of the heart.
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Speaker 1: Is A yeah. Absolutely, is a positive internal dialogue something
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Speaker 1: that can be employed here.
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Speaker 2: Yes and no. The real thing with an internal dialogue,
51:49
Speaker 2: I see it. I do see it work. It's not
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Speaker 2: as as specific and pinpointed. So a lot of times
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Speaker 2: in our internal dialogue, we're going to go back and
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Speaker 2: forth and kind of talk to ourselves and come to
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Speaker 2: the conclusion I should just let it go. And so
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Speaker 2: now we let it go. And it's that internal dialogue
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Speaker 2: that God is there. But knowing that it's simply getting
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Speaker 2: us to the point of letting us go. If I
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Speaker 2: know I just need to let it go, I just
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Speaker 2: need to release it, I can bypass the dialogue and
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Speaker 2: The reason I say it this way is like in
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Speaker 2: my Prayer Freedom book, I give people a very structured
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Speaker 2: process of how to identify these things and how to
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Speaker 2: release them that a lot of times an internal dialogue
52:30
Speaker 2: would never uncover because you don't know, because there's no
52:34
Speaker 2: knowledge of our understanding of how some of these spiritual
52:37
Speaker 2: things operate. So internal dialogues will get you part of
52:42
Speaker 2: the way there, but not all the way there.
52:45
Speaker 1: And what about in terms of working with couples or
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Speaker 1: working with people in relationships face to face?
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Speaker 2: You mean in terms of what I do or in
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Speaker 2: terms of how this will impact couples with their relationships
52:59
Speaker 2: and both both? Okay, So I don't work with people
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Speaker 2: face to face. I used to do that, but now
53:05
Speaker 2: they can get more impact going through chapter twelve of
53:09
Speaker 2: the Prayer Freedom or maybe chapter eight of Outrageous Peace
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Speaker 2: than me taking my time and charging them hundreds of
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Speaker 2: dollars to do it right. So I prefer to say,
53:18
Speaker 2: get the book. It'll be more thorough and it'll say
53:20
Speaker 2: both of us a lot of time. But on relationships,
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Speaker 2: this is something that we haven't touched on. Many of
53:28
Speaker 2: our relationship breakups are tied into the same spiritual leg
53:33
Speaker 2: of our life. I have a friend that he has
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Speaker 2: a thirty year old son, and for the last fifteen years,
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Speaker 2: every time they would get together, it just ends in
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Speaker 2: verbal fights and blow ups and anger and just ripping
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Speaker 2: the family apart. As I was talking to my friend,
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Speaker 2: I was saying, when did it begin? He said about
53:52
Speaker 2: age fifteen. And I knew that my friend had gotten
53:55
Speaker 2: to some tremendous promotion at work years back. He became
53:59
Speaker 2: the number one salesperson for billions and billions of dollars
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Speaker 2: of products, and he was traveling a lot of times.
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Speaker 2: Said when did you get that promotion? He said about
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Speaker 2: fifteen years ago. And I said, if, what's the beef
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Speaker 2: that your son has against you? He said, My son says,
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Speaker 2: I don't love him because I always spent time with
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Speaker 2: his brothers and sisters, but I never spent time with
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Speaker 2: him and never came to his games. I said, ah,
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Speaker 2: there's the pattern. You got a promotion, you were never there.
54:30
Speaker 2: He was too young to understand that you were not
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Speaker 2: there because of your job requirements. He thought you didn't
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Speaker 2: love him. So I guided the process for the son
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Speaker 2: to be able to forgive his dad for not loving him,
54:45
Speaker 2: realizing that that wasn't a true perception, a true reality.
54:48
Speaker 2: It was only a teenager's perception, and within two weeks
54:54
Speaker 2: their relationship was so amazing, no more fighting. That after
54:59
Speaker 2: a few months my friend and texted me, he said,
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Speaker 2: my relationship with that son is now my best child relationship.
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Speaker 2: I want to do this with all my children. So
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Speaker 2: we have the spiritual misalignment that's breaking up relationships that
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Speaker 2: we can go in and fix those relationships as well.
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Speaker 1: My guest Beady Carmichael his latest book, Outrageous Piece, a
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Speaker 1: practical path to real piece even when nothing else has worked. Baby,
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Speaker 1: one more time, please share with our listeners with it
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Speaker 1: and get your books and find out more about you
55:28
Speaker 1: and your wonderful work.
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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely so. Outrageous Piece, which is the introductory to
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Speaker 2: this whole concept and helps people with just simple things,
55:38
Speaker 2: is Outrageouspiece dot Com. And if you're dealing with heavier
55:44
Speaker 2: things deep anxiety or depression, chronic pain, addictions, or extreme
55:49
Speaker 2: family breakup type relationship issues, then the better book on
55:53
Speaker 2: that is the more complete version. It's called the Prayer
55:56
Speaker 2: of Freedom, and you can get that at the Prayer
55:59
Speaker 2: of dot Com and both of those websites give you
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Speaker 2: more information on how to reach out to me personally
56:05
Speaker 2: if you need to.
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Speaker 1: Baby, thank you so much for joining us and sharing
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Speaker 1: this wonderful and positive information.
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Speaker 2: Well, Victor, thank you so much for allowing me on
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Speaker 2: your show.
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Speaker 1: And thank you for joining us on Box Novus. I'm
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Speaker 1: Victor the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.