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J.B. Hixson: Turning Down Heated Cultural & Political Rhetoric · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Hey friends family and Christ welcome to another podcast. Thanks for tuning in for sharing for watching listening today
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We're going to talk about how believers in Christ can be turning down
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heated cultural rhetoric we see the political
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Things the disagreements going on. We see a lot of division. We see a lot of
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incitement of violence and the hypocrisy of the left
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Many of the same people who talk about being peaceful, right?
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They're continuing to stir up divisions strife anger through their words and actions
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Well, I've got Pastor JB Hicks in here
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We're going to talk about how to respond to this and how to have a biblical perspective on what's going on around us. That's next
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Welcome to world view matters discussing controversial issues
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discerning current events
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Defending biblical Christianity
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No topic off limits
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And now here's your host David Fierazzo
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Friends go to not by works.org to get more info on JB in his great ministry
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Always something going on. He's busy traveling speaking preaching writing and his latest book you can get at not by works
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Ministries is called the great last days
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Apostasy how the American Church is falling away
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JB brother good to see again. Thank you for being here
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Enjoy our conversations and you're looking forward to talking about this one today. It's a good one
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Yeah, it's good. I really appreciate our perspective on these things because some of us we all have our biases as you often mention and some of us
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You know, we tend to get a little upset when we see the hypocrisy that's going on
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So I want to bring up one article that we're going to be addressing. There's there's several of them
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But one of them is over at the Washington stand. It's called
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inciting political violence the hypocrisy of the left and so what we want to do is not only point out
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These instances where they're saying one thing and doing another because I mean everybody does it at some point
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Republican sometimes do it you and I in our church setting sometimes do it, but here we're talking about a different
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level of
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I guess volatility in our country now with President Trump being in the office again in in the White House because there's already been two
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assassination attempts on him
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There's already been attacks on ice agents. We'll talk about one specific story
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shootings riots. There's protests and it seems like they come out of the woodwork
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You know, they're prepping for it China and the the left the Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation all of these different
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groups Antifa and then when a conservative or Republican or someone who does not
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agree with the left gets in office then they come out and try to make headlines. So JB
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You're overall thoughts on what's going on and how we really do as Christians
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Want to be aware of what's happening, but also not get sucked into it in these arguments and the heat and the debates and the the rhetoric that's so off the charts today
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Yeah, for sure. So what I'd like to do is start kind of at the big picture level
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But then I'd like to before the shows over zero into some just real practical biblical
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Advice for all believers to take to heart to kind of help tone down the rhetoric, but
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Certainly, you know, this this that the evil elite that are really trying to to bring down America and usher in a one-world system
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They've been using this technique going back literally millennia. I mean it goes back to
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I've documented as far back as Machiavelli the whole notion of just
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controlled opposition
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Getting people to fight with each other if they can get people fighting with each other
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It makes their job a lot easier to get everybody kind of fall in line behind an evil leader
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Which of course is setting the stage ultimately for the fulfillment of biblical prophecy, but
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You know, there's no question that the the far left is absolutely off the charts in terms of their
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hateful rhetoric their their you know, inciting violence and so forth
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It's far more common on the far left
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Conservatives in general they may get upset they may get heated and you have the occasional rogue
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You know extremist out there that might you know shoot up on abortion clinic or something
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But that's the exception when it comes to right more so than the rule but the left it's the rule
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But what I'm suggesting is that
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first of all
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For believers to set the example that these are
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important issues
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We live in a time where we're very divided both you know politically and in terms of biblical doctrine and so many other issues
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It's nothing but division you turn on any you know talking head show whether it's Fox News CNN you name it and and and and chances are
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You're gonna see two pundits just going after each other and personal attacks and a lot of logical fallacies and ad hominem attacks
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And you know Christian should be better than that. I think I think we should set the example and and rise above it
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You know proverbs 15 ones as a soft answer
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turns away
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Wrath and I think if we listened more
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And remained calmer we could actually defeat these ridiculous arguments on the left far easier than if we shout
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Well, I agree at 100% and I also think
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The thing I say at the end of every podcast keep speaking the truth about things that matter. It's my tagline
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We do need to speak the truth, but it is in love
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With patience with grace. I think you also before we got in the air shared that
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Verse about let your speech always be seasoned with grace so that we're ready to respond
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To someone and have these conversations. I know they might not want to do that on the on the other side
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They tend to try to shut you down
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But we still need to respond in love because we have to remember who we are or whose we are right
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But let's go back to some of the
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Just examples in this article and we'll hopefully get a couple other articles too
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There's another one there where Democrats are literally
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Calling for blood in the streets
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Now that may be an expression that may be something that
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Maybe it's just an idea, right? But with some
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Idiots some will follow through and really want to do some physical damage
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But so come for example, let's let's talk about this what they often do they call Trump Hitler or whatever comparing the president of the United States a duly elected
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President
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The leader of the freest nation of the world comparing him to an authoritarian dictator like Stalin or Hitler
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It's one of the most obvious examples of heated rhetoric that's inciting
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Fear anger. It's a it's it's toxic jb and they they have not stopped doing this even during his first term
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And we're not I'm not defending everything Trump says or does or every policy
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Although I appreciate so much of what they're doing as far as the administration goes as a whole
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But I'm talking about how they are continuing they relentlessly attack and incite people just to be angry at him
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Yeah, I mean I think some of it is just organic it's just people being
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You know dumb rhetoric and then yeah like you said the occasional wacko is gonna pick up on it and take it to hard and actually perform some horrific
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Act but I think I'm more sinister than that. I think a lot of it is not organic
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I think it's manufactured. I think they know that these words are triggering words for some people
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They've got you know controlled assets out there that they're trying intentionally to to rile up and get them to do a terrible things
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But you know, I guess my point and you know me David always like to try to you know show both sides of it
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You know, it's not just the radical left speaking against conservatives
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You've got conservatives like musk and Tucker Carlson out there making the Hitler comparisons to other people
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I mean Hitler's kind of the arch-typal
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Legal that you can put on your enemy, and so I think you know people will do that on both sides
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But yeah, it's definitely the case that when when a conservative is in office
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The liberals just go apoplectic and come out with every conceivable insult they can and it's it's nonstop
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It's relentless. I just happen to believe that a lot of that is
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It's manufactured, but then it becomes organic because it just gets into the culture and everybody just jumps on this rhetoric
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They end wagon. Yeah, well you alluded to political stunts. There are some examples in this article
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I just want to bring up a couple because I don't know if everybody keeps track of all this
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You know, it's hard to keep up with all that's going on one of them is
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Um, let's see Senator Alex Padilla. He's a Democrat in California
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Homeland Security Secretary Christie known was having a press conference
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So this guy Padilla people are sitting there
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Respectfully asking questions whether they agree or disagree with the secretary
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Christie gnome they're asking questions this guy charges in standing up charges in raising his voice and
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Yes, he had the right to be there and ask a question, but he rushed the podium and he's yelling
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At Christie gnome and he was arrested. So what does the left do make him the victim?
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Because the guys grabbed him and I don't know if they actually cuffed him or not
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But they took him out took him out of the room
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So the left uses that that you know what they're going to focus on and of course the leftist media
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In our nation most of them on the they focus on that too
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Not on what he was doing not the respectful dialogue on the press conference
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Right or how it's everyone else is doing
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But how this guy runs in oh now as soon as they approach him and grab him and take him out. Oh now
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Now that's wrong. So just yeah the way they show that right now
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Political stunt is probably the right word for the perfect description
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But I mean, it's it's seldom about what it's about
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I mean this guy probably you know
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Was they probably sat in a room somewhere and decided and came up with a plan. Hey, why don't we do this
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This will get a lot of attention and it'll get some media airtime and we can make our case and so
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But again, I you know not to keep coming back to it
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But we've seen similar things on the right. I remember a guy during a state at Union address that Obama was
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Speaking that stood up and and interrupted the whole speech by calling him a liar that you know a conservative Republican
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So you know it goes both ways no question it's a matter of degree and I think the left is far more likely and
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Common there for those to just you know because they don't have
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Even a remote moral compass at least conservatives even if they don't know the Lord as their savior
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They've never placed their faith in Christ and become born again
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At least they have some semblance of decorum and and you know some moral code more so than the radical left
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But you know, but it happens on both sides for sure and it's a political stunt
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I agree I agree one more example before we move on JB
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And then I've got a question on just that you can answer maybe
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So Minnesota governor Tim Walts formerly ran for vice president in you know
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To the 2024 election
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He's at the University of Minnesota law school. He's doing the commencement speech and he's saying some of course some
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Radical things he's he's speaking in in just unrepa or irresponsible rhetoric one of the things
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I'll just give you an example ice agents ice agents are Trump's modern dig is stoppo
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And I'm thinking okay, how many more references are we gonna hear so the question is what do these
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Democrats think will happen
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When they consistently talk like this and make these comparisons and what do they think they'll happen in their
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Their party or their listeners minds
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When they hear these things it upsets them it stirs up fear even though it's not true
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It's an awful comparison. So
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They're not
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These are elected representatives
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But they know
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They know they're stirring up people. I don't know what their full intentions are
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But it seems pretty clear by the protests we're seeing and other things
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Yeah, they definitely know what what it what it could lead to and and again, I think that's by design
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My view is that there's a lot more controlled things happening than we realize they they love to foment unrest and riots
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And the olem thing we see this again and again that this isn't just a bunch of people
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Going crazy organically there. They're prompted. They're given the tools. They're given the bricks to throw there
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You know, so this is part of it, but but I would also say that you know
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That that's a conversation that by the way talking about the the new
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Not biggest a national police force in the history of our country that needs to be had
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But not in the way the left is having it and not framing it the way the left is framing it
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But I think it's a fair question to say, you know, do we want
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Ice agents, you know, arresting people on the streets at whim without due process
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We you know, those are fair questions just like you know getmo and guantanamo bay those were fair questions
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Unfortunately, and this goes to the whole point of what we're talking about today, David
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When you get emotional and you get angry and you you yell and scream and
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use poor
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Arguments and call people Hitler you can't get to the core essence of what could be some legitimate
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Questions. I mean, I'm concerned honestly about some of the people that have come into Washington now and just
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Sort of taken over again. I'm not picking on Trump
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I don't even know if he has anything to do. He probably doesn't
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So it's not him so much as it is these technocrats that have moved in and are I think putting in place a massive
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Surveillance and police state that that could serve the anti-Christ well one day
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But you can't even have that discussion if you're trapped in this right left rhetoric where everybody's screaming at each other
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Yes, I agree 100% that's a good place to just take a pause
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We'll get back to JB and talk about some other articles when we come back on world view matters
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so JB
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Now the one we were I think I alluded to this top or the this article at the very beginning of the podcast
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Three officers were injured in a shooting in Texas speaking of Texas
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My goodness does that state need our prayers particularly the the people that were we're so affected a lot of families
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I think that the death count over a hundred now with the flooding and my goodness
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Three officers injured in a shooting at Texas border patrol facility the armed man was killed
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But here we are again another example of a wacko. Maybe he's a fanatic
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but somehow these people get
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They in their instigated and they're they're all of a sudden they're acting out on some of the rhetoric
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We've been hearing I know we're gonna see more cases like this. We always do
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But um, it's just sad when it does happen and we're finding out more obviously this happened last week
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But finding out more about the guy and it's just really tragic
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It is tragic and you know, I think on some level the rhetoric
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That is so common in in political discourse right now, you know, especially coming from the left with just their
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Just so over the top and in their you know inciting violence. I think that marginalizes
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You know serious tragic crimes like this to some extent because people
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Subconsciously, you know, even sometimes people on the right might think well, you know
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Maybe maybe he maybe they deserved it or maybe there's a point here or maybe there's you know
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And there's no excuse for that. There's no justification for what happened
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But I think people get lost in the fog of this of this of this debate and they they're not able to really separate
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Fact from emotion and that's that's the real problem and and and I'd love to kind of
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Shift our attention into the church because I think we because these are important issues politically and they absolutely are
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People get really riled up about it because that you know, that's the the whole issue of the rhetoric and on TV and in the talking head shows and so forth
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I think sometimes that tendency bleeds over into our personal life and church life and in a Christian realm with our brothers and sisters in Christ
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And so we tend to instinctively have the same level of anger and emotion on issues that are not political
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But even doctrinal issues, you know, whether that's you know music or you know NAR and you know
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Some of these important issues we just we just start shouting at each other and you know
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James's caution. I think to the early church James one of the earliest pistols written in the New Testament by the Lord's brother
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He says so then my beloved brethren let every man be swift to hear
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Slow to speak and slow to wrath and I think if we did more listening
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Not to marginalize or minimize the importance of issues even doctrinal issues
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doctrinal issues are also quite important like political issues
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But if we would we would listen more
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We might have a what we might find that we can actually make a difference in helping shape someone's viewpoint
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Rather than so quickly escalating to anger and I see it I see it in the Bible prophecy world. I see
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You know, mostly younger Bible prophecy teachers that
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You know, they'll hear something they disagree with with one of our speakers and they'll say oh, I don't have any use for them
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And they write the whole thing off and they don't just sit down and have a dialogue and that's what we try to do at NVW
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Ministers. I'll have people on show that I disagree with on issues because I'd
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Talk about it and maybe make convert possibly or maybe learn something and be able to defend my view even better from some of
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Their arguments, but if we all just live in this echo chamber where we're only you know
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Talking to people that agree with us or when we talk to people who disagree with us
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If we spend all of our time just calling them names and seeing how
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Heretical they are
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Then that doesn't serve anybody, right? Yeah, I want to talk to you about that about the idea of breaking fellowship
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With a believer over an issue, but I'm sure like I do. I'm sure you get an email or something about or more
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Emails plural about why did you have that guest on or do you know what I mean? I mean it's like we they don't even want to
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Give people a dialogue. It's not like we're promoting their viewpoints. For example jb
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I know
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Gotley men that have said they
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Are right on the rapture and they are going to break fellowship with someone who doesn't agree with their
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View and I'm going wow can't we even talk about these things? What are your thoughts on for example someone that doesn't believe in the pre-tribulation rapture
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Do you still talk to them are they still your brother explain that of course? Absolutely
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They're still my brother. Thankfully, David, you know having an accurate
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Eschatology is not a prerequisite for getting into heaven, right?
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It's a free gift paid for by the blood of Christ. We'd simply trust in Jesus Christ and him alone for salvation
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If perfect doctrine was a requirement none of us would get into heaven. So
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Yeah, I have people on the show all the time that aren't necessarily pre-trib because they are an expert in some other area that I think is a value and will be
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Helpful and edifying to our audience and and I enjoy talking about it
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And so like you I get those emails and the first thing I always say is
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Actually, we don't normally respond
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But if it's a someone asks me verbally I'll say well, was there anything on that 45-minute show that this guest said that was wrong
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And they'll go well no, but I know he believes this and I've heard him say that elsewhere. I go
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Well, okay people know like you said David people know that we're not going to agree with our guest on everything
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But you know, we're not endorsing them on everything
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Otherwise, we've just become an echo chamber. I don't even need to have it
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It can just be all JB all the time, but I love a good theological repartee. I love a good, you know, debate
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You know, and so we love having these people on for a variety of reasons, but absolutely
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You know, we need to get back to the to what matters most and if they're a brother in Christ or a sister in Christ
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We may disagree on some things and they're important thing. I'm not
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discounting the importance of the doctrine of the rapture. It's critical
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No one knows that you know better than me. I talk about it all the time. It's very important
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But that doesn't mean we can't have a conversation with someone who may disagree on that issue
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Amen brother, and so we don't treat them like I think it's is it James or Jude think it's Jude or Peter the talks about they
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They crept in among us, but they weren't really of us meaning they all right
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Yeah, so we don't believe we don't want to we don't want to treat them like a heretic now
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There's a time and a place for that certainly if someone is a is you know imputing
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The grace of God and and you know imputing the authority of scripture essentials
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Of course, then we then we certainly need to be you know distance ourselves
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And by the way in the new book that you mentioned at the outset we have a whole section in there on the doctrine of separation
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Which I think is is very comprehensive and it gives people this notion of
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Of you know of really when should we break fellowship and uh, you know, I've dealt with I've I've had people
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Disassociate with me because I went on someone else's show and they don't agree with that person
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And so now they say okay, well, you know, we're not gonna you know be you know hang we're not gonna connect with you
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And I'm like well, I don't believe what those bet person says yeah, just because I wonder show
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I mean I'll go on satan show if he'll invite me
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I just want to I want to share the gospel with as many people as I can
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so
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I mean, there's a I mean, that's a little bit extreme obviously there's a point that would not go on somebody's show just but in general
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I don't have to have only I don't only go on the shows of people I agree with I want to go everywhere, you know
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So years ago this is completely off topic, but you said going on satan's show so I can talk about another show
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I was asked this was wow what year are we 25 about 13 years ago. I was asked
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To go on the daily show with was it john steward
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His producers producers contacted me why not because anybody knew who I was
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But because I put out a book called eradicate blotting out god in america and in that I was talking about
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Marriage god ordained marriage between one man and one woman and I think there was a debate going on in the
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quote same-sex marriage and I had
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Clearly laid it out from a biblical perspective
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I know what they wanted to do
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JB they wanted to have me on that show and I would have taken the invitation if it would have been a fair
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Platform to just have a conversation back and forth and share my views and the truth biblically
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But I asked them I said okay, is this going to be edited or can I speak and answer questions
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And have it not be chopped up and I I don't remember exactly how I asked them
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But they were honest and said no where we've got to have the rights to pull whatever we want and we use it
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I said
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Sorry, and you know I watched that show whenever it aired and there was another guest they had on another
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Christian conservative from a
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What is it discernment ministry and they made him look like this right wing
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fundamentalist old
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Out of touch radical and it was just so sad they barely gave him airtime
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But just had him on to make fun of and that could have been me
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So JB even though you'd go on satan show there are some shows you there are some shows you should not go on
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I just think it's interesting that my reference to Satan made you think of John Stewart
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I mean, I'm just saying that's people can draw whatever conclusions they want
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But you know what's and this I I know JB were friends we can be completely off topic when you see
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I see the commercials sometimes for that show. I see these people
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They're beaten the drum and I trump it's truly trump to arrangement syndrome, but I think it's more
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Demonic because we have to understand this there's a spiritual dynamic spiritual warfare is very real
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And what drives these people if they are not of christ
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They're of a different spirit they're anti christ what drives them is spiritual and sometimes you can see it in their eyes
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And you can see just they are evil your thoughts on that as we get rid of the wrap up
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Yeah, no question that that hour you know the evening, you know taught late night talk show
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It's probably some of the most demonic presence coming through the airwaves at any given point in the day
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But yeah, I'd love to just you know bring it back again like we have a few times already to just some solutions and some answers
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I think remembering proverbs 151 a soft answer turns away wrath
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But a harsh word stirs up anger or Ephesians 429 let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth
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But what is good and necessary for edification that it may impart grace to the heirs and
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You know, I also just again being willing to listen a proverbs 17 27 he who has knowledge spares his words and a man of understanding is of a
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Calm spirit, you know, not suggesting that we be sort of this snowflake, you know
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Thingwear, you know, whatever you think's fine. I know you're good. I love you anyway that not that. I'm just saying
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Hold your convictions biblically firmly
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confidently
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But but be gracious when we speak to people and try to win
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You know a convert
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you know
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When we talk to people our goal what's our real goal is it to win? Are we just trying to win or are we actually trying to inform and educate and help
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Maybe people come to the same
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Conclusion well, we can do that a lot better with you know
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Kind gracious words great question. What's our goal? Isn't it to just speak the truth of the gospel?
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In the love of Christ to their hearts and hopefully they'll be receptive to it
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I think of Jesus words
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By your words you'll be justified by your words. You'll be condemned
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He also said out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks that one gets me every now and then when I tend to
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You know fall off and get it get say something that I wish I wouldn't have said I'm going all of what's in my heart and abundance
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That's going to come out right so all this to say friends
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There's going to be a lot going on that we're going to witness in our culture as
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The divide it seems like it's going to get worse and worse and the rhetoric
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Will probably be ramped up for the next couple years
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But we've got to be ready and know how to respond in love
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JB great points
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Thanks for sharing the scriptures and bringing us back to the church and believers and how we need to be
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Better as far as how we respond with grace love truth appreciate your ministry and all you do. God bless you brother
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Likewise, David. Thanks so much brother. Thank you
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Again, friends, not by works.org
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Again, he's check out his latest book and God bless you as I always thanks for watching and keep speaking the truth about things that matter