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Thirsty Thursdays: Pump Rules REUNION Pt. 1 · Reality with The King

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Speaker 1: Hey, rain drops.
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Speaker 2: On today's episode of Reality with the King, I'm reunited
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Speaker 2: with my favorite blonde as you all know, my girl
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Speaker 2: from the OC. No not Tam or Judge girls. I'm
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Speaker 2: talking about the amazing kid kc.
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Speaker 3: Oh. Oh my god.
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Speaker 4: We have so much to talk about, and I have
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Speaker 4: to tell you I've been on I couldn't sleep last
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Speaker 4: night because I was so excited.
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Speaker 3: I was so excited about this episode. I'm so excited.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's just dive right into a girl.
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Speaker 2: So band the Pump Rules Part one reunion was salacious.
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Speaker 2: A lot of information came out, and obviously the reunions
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Speaker 2: started out with the conversation about the artist formly known
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Speaker 2: as ray.
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Speaker 1: Kal, which is Rachel. So you want to just dive
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Speaker 1: right into a k because I have so many questions
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Speaker 1: for you?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, first I want to just establish something before
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Speaker 4: we move forward. We have to all acknowledge that this
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Speaker 4: show lives in the very strange vortex, where like, do
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Speaker 4: we believe any of the people are really true true friends?
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Speaker 4: Probably not? Will they be friends after the show, probably not? Like,
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Speaker 4: are they part of a social experiment. Yes, are a
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Speaker 4: lot of the decisions they make wrapped around opportunities, financial opportunity, unities,
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Speaker 4: like opportunities connected to fame. Yes, So these are not
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Speaker 4: like regular people that we know in town. So we
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Speaker 4: have to look through that lens. So before people send
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Speaker 4: out the pitchforks, we're just watching the show.
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Speaker 3: We don't have favorites.
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Speaker 4: We're just seeing it as it is through the lens
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Speaker 4: of people that have been on a television show for
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Speaker 4: eleven years, who are now in the phase of how
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Speaker 4: do we get calibrated to life after a show that
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Speaker 4: we were on for many years that was probably being
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Speaker 4: driven off of a cliff became mainstream popular because of
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Speaker 4: an affair, a very relatable topic for most people in life,
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Speaker 4: you know, like The Housewives of Beverly Hills and air gajriority.
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Speaker 4: It's a complex financial legal issue, so not everybody's going
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Speaker 4: to get wrapped up in dissecting it.
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Speaker 3: Everybody can dissect an affair.
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Speaker 4: They've had one, they've known someone that's had an affair,
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Speaker 4: they felt betrayed, So there's this common thread to that
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Speaker 4: that I think connected people to the story and thus
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Speaker 4: why it became this mainstream story.
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Speaker 3: However, they are.
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Speaker 4: Still people that have been involved in a social experiment
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Speaker 4: on television. They are paid to become reality or paid
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Speaker 4: to be reality stars, and that job requires them to
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Speaker 4: be far more open than we need to be in
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Speaker 4: our daily lives. So let's just start with that. Because
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Speaker 4: I see people on social media who are so invested
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Speaker 4: in this show and so invested on one side or another,
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Speaker 4: and I always want to go, wait, Let's just remember
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Speaker 4: they are not people that we could typically relate to
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Speaker 4: in this scenario, because they are people on a reality
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Speaker 4: show who have been on television for eleven years, and
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Speaker 4: they are all very aware that this is a very
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Speaker 4: fleeting period of time.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and we saw that last week in the finale,
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Speaker 2: which I think all of us are calling it this
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Speaker 2: series finale because the way it ended kind of showcased
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Speaker 2: that there's no place to go anymore when it comes
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Speaker 2: to this show. Like it's a rap, it's a Rentals rap,
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Speaker 2: it's it's it's put a fork in it.
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Speaker 1: It's done.
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Speaker 2: And that's why this part where reunion, I just see
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Speaker 2: it as sort of like the ending chapter of this novel. Right,
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Speaker 2: And they shot the season immediately after the scandal because look,
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Speaker 2: I think we all just wanted to see the after
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Speaker 2: math of it, and we did, but I think after
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Speaker 2: seeing it, we all realized, like we're kind of just
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Speaker 2: over the story because there was there was no there
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Speaker 2: was no movement.
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Speaker 1: It was.
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Speaker 2: It was a very stagnant season in the sense that
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Speaker 2: everybody was stuck in its place. And listen, if you're
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Speaker 2: not on television, sure you'd be stuck in that place,
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Speaker 2: sometimes for years. And that's the reason why, you know, Listen,
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Speaker 2: I've been very honest about like Arianna, like, let's try
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Speaker 2: to get over this. I listen, I'm going to always
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Speaker 2: feel like I will never understand why she had to
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Speaker 2: stay in the house.
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Speaker 1: I won't ever get that.
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Speaker 2: And listen, I also will say this, I think everybody
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Speaker 2: got something out of it. And at the end of
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Speaker 2: the day, Arianna got the most out of this situation
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Speaker 2: in terms of the access that she was able to receive,
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Speaker 2: the brand deals, having your own segment on the view,
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Speaker 2: you know, and like Santamal said, like this was on
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Speaker 2: every major news station. Everybody benefit from this scandal, even
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Speaker 2: the cast who was not even a part of it,
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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I didn't think Rachel
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Speaker 2: should have done the Bethany Franklin interview, it did nothing
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Speaker 2: for her, nothing at all, And even having a podcast.
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Speaker 1: I felt like after she got.
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Speaker 2: The treatment she deserved and really needed at that time,
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Speaker 2: it was sort of like, let's just sort of figure
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Speaker 2: things out. But now she is suing Arianna and Tom,
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Speaker 2: so explain to me what she sooned?
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Speaker 1: Thefore is revenge porn? Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I think the assumption is that, I mean, without being
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Speaker 4: privy to the all of the you know, the paperwork,
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Speaker 4: one can only just go off of what's been reported
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Speaker 4: of the news. But apparently the moment where she saw
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Speaker 4: the video of her in an intimate situation on Tom's phone,
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Speaker 4: she allegedly may have screenshot it and then sent it
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Speaker 4: to someone else. However, they both say that that did
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Speaker 4: not happen as it has been alleged, So I don't
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Speaker 4: I think you're not going to really know what the
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Speaker 4: truth is until that those core proceedings happen.
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Speaker 3: It just it's very dark. I will say this.
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Speaker 4: I think that an element of the Ariana Tom's story.
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Speaker 4: Two things that I was mindful of watching last night
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Speaker 4: is that I feel like they were probably not in
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Speaker 4: an intimate relationship, a romantic relationship for a very long time,
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Speaker 4: but as many couples do, they kind of have this
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Speaker 4: like quasi partnership, the added element that they're on this
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Speaker 4: TV show, like we're a couple on the show, like
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Speaker 4: we rely on each other to some degree in order
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Speaker 4: to be like part of this show. I think the
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Speaker 4: level of betrayal that she felt was less about you
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Speaker 4: betrayed me as an intimate partner and more as you
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Speaker 4: betrayed me as a very close friend to.
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Speaker 3: Me on this show.
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Speaker 4: Because in normal life, our friendships it's like, you know,
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Speaker 4: our friendships are deep. But if you have an alliance
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Speaker 4: someone on a reality show and you feel like they
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Speaker 4: betray you, and that's somebody that you are living with
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Speaker 4: and you've been with them for eleven years, I think
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Speaker 4: that's more of the betrayal she felt. So for the
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Speaker 4: people that go, I mean, they weren't even like having sex.
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Speaker 4: They never made it seem like they ever had sex.
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Speaker 4: And then Tom Sannibal would say, well, of course I'm
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Speaker 4: going to be with Raquel because like I'm not getting
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Speaker 4: any action, it's still a betrayal.
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Speaker 3: He betrayed her.
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Speaker 4: I also felt, like I've said this for weeks, I
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Speaker 4: felt like the season was like a docuseriies on how
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Speaker 4: people handled a like post scandal. Yes, I'm show about
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Speaker 4: a group of friends and like how they're coping. To
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Speaker 4: me as a viewer, we're like, oh, we're watching how
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Speaker 4: people handle it when they think their show's about to
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Speaker 4: go off the air. Something happens and they get this
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Speaker 4: crazy amount of fame for a very short window of time.
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Speaker 4: So we're show we're watching them. And I thought they
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Speaker 4: all were filming different shows in their head. The producers
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Speaker 4: are making a whole other show that doesn't calibrate with
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Speaker 4: what they think the show is. Like Arianna thought the
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Speaker 4: show that season, I think was going to be about
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Speaker 4: her rise to success and all these opportunities, like well,
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Speaker 4: of course you're going to show me going to Chicago
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Speaker 4: and dancing with stars. I think that she had assumed
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Speaker 4: that was the footage that you guys would see, like
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Speaker 4: look at me, Like I was kind of on the
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Speaker 4: show and Tom ignored me. I think this is someone
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Speaker 4: who has put her needs on the back burner, not
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Speaker 4: in just a romantic way. I'm seeing like as a friendship,
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Speaker 4: Like that's even messed up as a friend, Like who
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Speaker 4: do that? Like if you were like, Oh, I'm going
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Speaker 4: to write this book, and then I said, you know,
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Speaker 4: I really should co write it with you.
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Speaker 3: Pete the Kate.
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Speaker 4: The show is about like the thing I love, which
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Speaker 4: is like basket weaving, and I'm like, yeah, but I
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Speaker 4: love to basket weave too, so we should do it together.
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Speaker 4: That's essentially what he did with his like cocktail book, right,
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Speaker 4: so I thought.
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Speaker 1: I guess I.
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Speaker 4: Think she thought the show was going to play back,
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Speaker 4: and I think that's probably why she didn't watch it,
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Speaker 4: because people are probably like, Oh, they're not covered. They're
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Speaker 4: not including any of the Dancing with the Star stuff,
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Speaker 4: they're not doing any of the Chicago sub She's like,
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Speaker 4: wait what. And then I think Sena thought the show
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Speaker 4: was I'm going to tell the story of like my postpartum.
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Speaker 3: Experience and how I'm.
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Speaker 4: Worried about having another baby, and I want people to see, like,
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Speaker 4: Brock is this great dad, and maybe he was saw
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Speaker 4: a sliver of that, but I think she was disappointed
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Speaker 4: because she thought that's what the show was going.
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Speaker 3: To be about, or at least her scenes.
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Speaker 4: I think Laala thought the show was going to be
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Speaker 4: about this fertility journey and reclaiming her power by doing
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Speaker 4: the fertility route on her own. I think she was disappointed.
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Speaker 4: I think Tom Sandoval was disappointed because he thought the
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Speaker 4: show was going to be about Yeah, like this happened
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Speaker 4: to me, but now with my newfound fame, I'm like
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Speaker 4: a cover band all star.
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Speaker 3: Like they all thought something else was.
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Speaker 4: Gonna air, which is so strange to me because the
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Speaker 4: show was really about this group of friends from the beginning,
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Speaker 4: and none of them seem to hang out at all.
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Speaker 4: So what is left for the cruisers to do? They
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Speaker 4: have to make a show about what happened in the
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Speaker 4: aftermath of the scandal, but the anchor person on it
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Speaker 4: is not on the show like Raquel Dion's show up,
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Speaker 4: who has like, yeah, o going to put all the
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Speaker 4: puzzle pieces together?
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Speaker 3: So what are they left with? All of these.
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Speaker 4: People who want to tell independent stories and their lives
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Speaker 4: very rarely intersect, and the only intersection story really is
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Speaker 4: probably the Sandwich Shop, and that didn't happen. So I mean,
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Speaker 4: I feel like empathy in some way to all the
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Speaker 4: players because none of the cast members really feel like
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Speaker 4: they got out of it what they thought they.
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Speaker 3: Were going to get out of it.
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Speaker 4: And I feel bad for the film crew because they
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Speaker 4: could only do, they could only make with what they
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Speaker 4: were given totally, and then I'm sure the network was like,
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Speaker 4: go get Raquel. I'd go to Arizona, drive to her house.
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Speaker 4: We got to make this work. And she just maybe
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Speaker 4: that was her way of establishing her like taking back
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Speaker 4: her own powers, like fuck you guys. But I think
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Speaker 4: that's what we needed.
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Speaker 3: The show.
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Speaker 4: Really, this season was again like a docuseries about or
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Speaker 4: documentary about like what happens in the aftermath, and the
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Speaker 4: person at the center of this scandal is not there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, which was a huge mistake because I think that's
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Speaker 2: the reason why everything fell stagnant, because the person who
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Speaker 2: was literally in the middle of all of this, right
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Speaker 2: is not even there to talk about her experience, giving
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Speaker 2: her point of view, seeing her make amends hopefully with Arianna,
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Speaker 2: if that was going to be her intention, and seeing
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Speaker 2: her have the conversations with Tom because even last year's
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Speaker 2: reunion where we saw them in the trailer talking and backstage,
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Speaker 2: and it just felt very much like they just had
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Speaker 2: like this plan, right, like we have a plan. We're
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Speaker 2: going to stick to the script and we're going to
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Speaker 2: you know, come out of this hopefully, you know, less
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Speaker 2: unscathed than we could have been, and then that went haywires.
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Speaker 2: So it is very interesting because Raquel could have easily
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Speaker 2: made this season different if she felt comfortable going. She
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Speaker 2: did not, so she didn't do it, which, you know,
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Speaker 2: respect to her for not stepping into a situation where
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Speaker 2: she wasn't mentally and physically ready to have these conversations, because,
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Speaker 2: like we said earlier, in real life, without cameras, you
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Speaker 2: were probably wait years to confront the person who portrayed you,
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Speaker 2: because it is all about portrayal.
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Speaker 4: By the way, I would have liked Ariana to have said,
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Speaker 4: I know that she just did not want to film
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Speaker 4: with him, It's very obvious, but if you're not going
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Speaker 4: to film with him, I wanted her to really put
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Speaker 4: out there, like the level of not just but betrayal,
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Speaker 4: but like what she had been going through all those years,
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Speaker 4: like she needed to go into that. Remember the Cocktail book.
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Speaker 4: I put my desires on the back burner. I included
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Speaker 4: him when I didn't want to, because he was so
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Speaker 4: persistent all the time. I had this opportunity, and he
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Speaker 4: convinced me that I wasn't interesting enough for TV. He
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Speaker 4: convinced me of this like I needed that in for me.
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Speaker 4: If you're not going to film with him, that would
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Speaker 4: have been really powerful too, and would have I think
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Speaker 4: glued the show together.
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Speaker 3: A little bit more, because I feel like she.
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Speaker 4: Was going maybe to a therapist's office and close the door,
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Speaker 4: and I'm like outside going wait, wait, what is that?
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Speaker 2: Wait?
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Speaker 3: What?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, No, I agree with you.
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Speaker 2: I really agree with you, which is why when Tom
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Speaker 2: Sandoval said that this was on every news station.
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Speaker 4: He was happy about it. By the way, I don't
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Speaker 4: think he cares that he looks terrible. I think he thinks.
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Speaker 4: You know, I always say most people have like a
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Speaker 4: level of imposter syndrome, where you're like, I don't know
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Speaker 4: if I belong in this job.
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Speaker 3: They're going to figure me out.
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Speaker 4: Reality stars have celebrity syndrome, where they think all their
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Speaker 4: lives like, well, of course I'm a movie star, of course,
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Speaker 4: like where are the cameras? Like Jennifer Aiden celebrity syndrome.
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Speaker 4: Dan of All has celebrity syndrome. He doesn't care that
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Speaker 4: everybody's like you're a piece of shit. You destroy these
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Speaker 4: women's lives, Like what is wrong with you? Because he's like, well,
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Speaker 4: am I selling tickets to my show, Like, I'm like,
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Speaker 4: I don't think he cares.
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Speaker 2: You think he only cared when the backlash came when
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Speaker 2: he compared himself to George Floyd and Ode Simpson, which
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Speaker 2: was ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: So did you buy his statement?
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Speaker 4: Not only do I think it didn't occur to him.
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Speaker 4: How outlandish is that is to say I don't think
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Speaker 4: he really cared. I mean I think everything he does
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Speaker 4: is like, I don't know if he has empathy. He's
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Speaker 4: like Erica Jane a little bit like that.
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Speaker 3: Like remember that.
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Speaker 4: Scene with Erica Jane last season where she's talking to
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Speaker 4: the therapist and she's like, well, how do you have empathy?
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Speaker 4: I think he's like that. It doesn't occur to him
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Speaker 4: that he put this woman, Ariana's life on hold, like,
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Speaker 4: you know, like he kept her captive in some ways,
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Speaker 4: her hopes and dreams. He kept her hopes and dreams
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Speaker 4: captive for the duration of their relationship. He did the
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Speaker 4: same for Rakhal. He does the same to everybody. I
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Speaker 4: think in his life. I don't think he has such
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Speaker 4: much empathy. He is the star of his own show.
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Speaker 4: We're all supporting characters in the show that he believes
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Speaker 4: in his head, he doesn't really care about any of
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Speaker 4: the women in breaking their hearts. I think that's pretty apparent.
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Speaker 4: I don't think he really cares about his own friends.
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Speaker 1: Do you think he's just selfish?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 4: I do. But you know, that's what we look for
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Speaker 4: in a roality star. We look for somebody who is
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Speaker 4: absolutely insane. He lives out out with how selfish he is.
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Speaker 4: He's showing us all the time in every scene that
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Speaker 4: he's ever been on the show.
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Speaker 1: Interesting.
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Speaker 2: Interesting, I'm fascinated by that because he doesn't have any
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Speaker 2: self awareness, and that is super obvious just based on
17:19
Speaker 2: you know what I've seen this season. In addition to
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Speaker 2: the part when reunion he's not self aware and I
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Speaker 2: didn't buy his story about like what I was trying
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Speaker 2: to say this about the George Floyd on and buy it.
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Speaker 2: I think his PR team prepped him for that comment.
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Speaker 2: And then Laah's like, well, if you meant it that way,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, la La sit back, girl, I love you,
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Speaker 2: But I like, no, his PR team coached him. He
17:39
Speaker 2: was prepped to say, well, you know, I was just
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Speaker 2: saying like these are important news and my.
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Speaker 1: Stuff is bullshit.
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Speaker 2: I agree with you, Kate, that he loves the attention.
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Speaker 2: He's very much a narcissist and anything that has to
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Speaker 2: do with his profile getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
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Speaker 2: But I will say this, you also have to somewhat
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Speaker 2: blame the media because I will say this much. I
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Speaker 2: will say this, it is some of the media's fault,
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Speaker 2: Like why is he on CNN? Why is this story
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Speaker 2: captivating enough to have? I was gagging because you know,
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Speaker 2: I love the View. I was gagging when Arianna had
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Speaker 2: her own segment on the View and they changed a
18:20
Speaker 2: set around Kate to mimic band the Pumpreuls restaurant.
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Speaker 1: What did you see this?
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Speaker 4: No?
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Speaker 3: Okay, but by the way, does that audience watch and
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Speaker 3: her prumb rolls?
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Speaker 1: That was my point.
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Speaker 2: I'm like the only person who watched it, and guess what,
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Speaker 2: not only does the audience not watch it, the co
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Speaker 2: hosts did not watch it. Whoopy Gobert, Joy Behart Sonny
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Speaker 2: Hostin was like, what are we talking about? Alyssa Fair
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Speaker 2: Griffin was the only person was like, oh my gosh,
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Speaker 2: I cause she's the youngest one.
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Speaker 1: Obviously they were trying to.
18:51
Speaker 2: Get the younger audience, but no one cared about that
18:55
Speaker 2: from the audience standpoint. So again it goes back to
19:00
Speaker 2: everybody benefited from the scandal. And that's the reason why
19:04
Speaker 2: when Laala said, and I want thousand percent believe this,
19:08
Speaker 2: when she said that James, Sheena, and Katie were living
19:13
Speaker 2: in the comments.
19:13
Speaker 4: Section, I believed that I do. I mean, I think
19:18
Speaker 4: they all live in the comment section. I think housewives
19:21
Speaker 4: live in the common section. Confirmed how they behave, or
19:27
Speaker 4: interact or react on screen in accordance to what they
19:31
Speaker 4: believe the audience wants. They are absolutely and remember they
19:35
Speaker 4: ended that season of Vanner Pump and then they filmed
19:37
Speaker 4: very soon after. I'm going to say, like what three
19:39
Speaker 4: four weeks very soon after, so of course they're reading
19:42
Speaker 4: through all the comments. I also believe the scene with
19:45
Speaker 4: Lala saying, yeah, I did get a phone call from
19:47
Speaker 4: Katie and she was bitching.
19:49
Speaker 3: But I think what.
19:51
Speaker 4: Laala forgets is like normal people in real life have
19:55
Speaker 4: moments where they're frustrated in business, and yeah, they are
19:58
Speaker 4: probably going to complain. So believed that Katie was like,
20:01
Speaker 4: ooh my bad, I vented to the wrong person. But
20:05
Speaker 4: also again, they're on a reality show and the production
20:09
Speaker 4: is probably like, guys, this show can't all be about
20:13
Speaker 4: scandabal if you guys don't want to talk about it,
20:15
Speaker 4: like got to give us other stuff. And they're probably
20:18
Speaker 4: frustrated that for two years they haven't been able to
20:21
Speaker 4: follow this sandwich store opening, which I mean, it doesn't
20:24
Speaker 4: sound that interesting opening a store.
20:27
Speaker 2: My honey, a sandwich shop at that. I don't care
20:31
Speaker 2: about your deli. I don't care about the baloney, the male,
20:34
Speaker 2: the pickles. I don't want to see that shit. I
20:37
Speaker 2: just don't. But what I do want to see is
20:39
Speaker 2: a conversation that Katie should have had Arihanna about the
20:42
Speaker 2: fact that she wasn't paying the rent for the restaurant.
20:46
Speaker 3: Well, it's such a disconnect too.
20:47
Speaker 4: You can tell the part of the reason it's not
20:49
Speaker 4: opening is they really don't have these, like, really hard
20:51
Speaker 4: to heart conversations because when Lisa vander Pump who, I
20:55
Speaker 4: feel like she's pointless to the show, except for this
20:57
Speaker 4: one moment where Andy asks her, well, what do you
21:00
Speaker 4: think about the sandwich shop open not opening? And she
21:04
Speaker 4: was like, well, I mean she hasn't been around far
21:06
Speaker 4: in terms of like Ariana has been around the way
21:08
Speaker 4: that Ariana.
21:09
Speaker 3: Looked at her like what are you talking about?
21:11
Speaker 4: I mean you can't have a business and not have
21:16
Speaker 4: a partner and not have these like in depth conversations.
21:18
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be away? What's gonna happen? How much
21:21
Speaker 3: is it?
21:21
Speaker 4: Like all this red tape that was going on with this,
21:24
Speaker 4: I think believed all of the people in that situation,
21:27
Speaker 4: But that can't be the show story. You can't have
21:30
Speaker 4: the show about a sandwich store opening.
21:33
Speaker 3: You can't.
21:34
Speaker 4: And you can't also have these scenes with each other
21:36
Speaker 4: because I don't even believe they're friends at all. I
21:38
Speaker 4: think they actually all kind of hate each other. But
21:41
Speaker 4: I also think that's what happens when the story goes
21:45
Speaker 4: mainstream and you have more opportunities than you've ever been
21:49
Speaker 4: asked and people are sizing it up. I mean on
21:52
Speaker 4: a macro level. We see that with the Housewives, Like
21:56
Speaker 4: each season they're all angry about, well, that person and
22:00
Speaker 4: got a better deal. This is like, Okay, how much
22:02
Speaker 4: is Applebee's paying you for that? How much did you get.
22:05
Speaker 3: From Uber eats?
22:07
Speaker 4: Mm hmm, Like, oh, you got a razor deal, like
22:10
Speaker 4: a like a disposable razor, Like how much is she
22:12
Speaker 4: getting for that? And that's why I think they get
22:14
Speaker 4: mad about the house situation because it's not like why
22:18
Speaker 4: are you still living in the same house, like you know,
22:21
Speaker 4: as probably a normal life who go like he's awful, Like,
22:24
Speaker 4: it's more like, did you just make one point two
22:27
Speaker 4: million dollars on that deal? Because there are other people
22:30
Speaker 4: that they encircle themselves that are in their ear too,
22:33
Speaker 4: we're forgetting about them, like if we're going to really
22:35
Speaker 4: break the fourth wall, tell the whole story. They're agents,
22:38
Speaker 4: they're managers, their lawyers, they're publicists. They're all telling them
22:42
Speaker 4: what the other cast members are getting in terms of deals.
22:45
Speaker 2: For sure, yes, And I want to explain to the
22:48
Speaker 2: audience because the way it works is the moment a
22:51
Speaker 2: reality star pops, it's like these vultures of people start
22:55
Speaker 2: to swarm them like bees to a honey, and they
22:59
Speaker 2: want to represent them and they because they want to
23:03
Speaker 2: be able to like milk every opportunity that comes their way.
23:07
Speaker 2: Some of them have good attentions, a lot of them
23:09
Speaker 2: do not. And Kate is saying exactly what happens, which
23:13
Speaker 2: is these vultures will find out what other people are
23:18
Speaker 2: making and they be in your ear. You're the star
23:20
Speaker 2: of the show. You should be having this. You don't
23:23
Speaker 2: don't address that. I cannot tell you how many times
23:27
Speaker 2: Kate my career, I've had to deal with these people,
23:30
Speaker 2: not all some of them who would tell my reality
23:33
Speaker 2: stars Kate, don't bring that up, don't talk about that,
23:37
Speaker 2: don't film with her, don't We don't want to make
23:40
Speaker 2: you the villain this season.
23:42
Speaker 1: We need to get And it's sort of.
23:44
Speaker 2: Like, motherfucker, the only reason you're talking to this reality
23:47
Speaker 2: start in the first place is because more than using
23:51
Speaker 2: the show, and because they were probably you know, the
23:54
Speaker 2: force multiplier or the villain, but they popped.
23:57
Speaker 1: You're not talking to and this is no shade. This
24:01
Speaker 1: is no shade.
24:02
Speaker 2: You're not talking to Joyce from Beverly Hills Housewives, you
24:06
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like you're talking to Lisa, Renna,
24:09
Speaker 2: You're you're talking to Erica Jane. You're not talking to Crystal,
24:12
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like you're talking to the
24:14
Speaker 2: people who bring something, and.
24:17
Speaker 4: Those people don't even understand the vortex either. Oh baby,
24:21
Speaker 4: It's like they also represent like somebody who well I
24:25
Speaker 4: don't know that like was in a circus.
24:27
Speaker 3: I don't know.
24:27
Speaker 4: It's like, what the hell do you know about this?
24:30
Speaker 4: This ecosystem next to nothing? And then they're in their
24:33
Speaker 4: ear telling them things.
24:34
Speaker 1: Yes, and and and that's the reason why.
24:37
Speaker 2: So Arianna has a lot of fans and high fans
24:39
Speaker 2: who are listening, we love you. A lot of the
24:42
Speaker 2: fans have been mad at me because I'm like, Arianna,
24:44
Speaker 2: get over everywhere, over D D D D and listen. Yes,
24:48
Speaker 2: but I've always I've always said this rain drops that
24:51
Speaker 2: what she went through was horrific. What I was saying
24:55
Speaker 2: about Arianna is, look, you sign on to do the
24:59
Speaker 2: season again, no one forced you. One thing will get rachel.
25:02
Speaker 2: She said, I'm out, And I respect that.
25:05
Speaker 1: Do I like it?
25:06
Speaker 2: No, because I want to see the conversation, but I
25:09
Speaker 2: respect it. When you sign on to do the show,
25:13
Speaker 2: that means you're signing on to have these uncomfortable conversations
25:17
Speaker 2: where you know, three weeks after the reunion you're filming again,
25:21
Speaker 2: so you know what needs.
25:22
Speaker 3: To happen, and you're contractually obligated.
25:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at the end of the day, it's a job,
25:29
Speaker 2: and I think people are forgetting that.
25:31
Speaker 1: Yes, it is your real life, but it's also a job.
25:34
Speaker 1: So it's it's.
25:37
Speaker 2: Really saying to us, like, well, when Teresa got sentenced
25:42
Speaker 2: to jail, we are going to respect the fact that
25:46
Speaker 2: she doesn't want to.
25:47
Speaker 1: Talk to Joe.
25:47
Speaker 2: Judaices, huh, like, we want to, we want to see
25:49
Speaker 2: everything we if you sign on to do something. So
25:53
Speaker 2: with Ariana's like, this guy is living in your house.
25:57
Speaker 2: Clearly you're comfortable being around him. Stop me when I'm wrong.
26:02
Speaker 2: If you are okay with cohabitating in the house with
26:07
Speaker 2: this motherfucker, then to me, that means you're comfortable of
26:10
Speaker 2: being around him in some space. What I'm saying is
26:14
Speaker 2: she is the example to me, allegedly of a person
26:20
Speaker 2: who was advised by the team to not talk about it.
26:26
Speaker 2: Don't address it. You're bigger than him, don't give him
26:29
Speaker 2: a storyline. We want him off the show anyway, this
26:33
Speaker 2: is this is your show. Now let's focus on like
26:35
Speaker 2: your business and your coffee and your sandwiches, and you're
26:38
Speaker 2: dancing and all this other stuff. So now, that and that,
26:42
Speaker 2: that guy is the reason why to me, she gave
26:44
Speaker 2: us nothing because she was advised improperly.
26:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I said, I would have really enjoyed hearing
26:51
Speaker 4: more about how he had held her hopes and dreams captive.
26:57
Speaker 4: I think that would have been really, very, very helpful
27:01
Speaker 4: for other people that watch the show too, who I
27:03
Speaker 4: think a lot of people felt seen in her storyline
27:05
Speaker 4: like they were with somebody who betrayed them but also
27:09
Speaker 4: disallowed them from moving forward in their life.
27:12
Speaker 3: Like she said something interesting too.
27:14
Speaker 4: I don't know if it was an interview orf her
27:16
Speaker 4: it was on the show, but something about how freezing
27:19
Speaker 4: her eggs, like he made her seem like she didn't
27:23
Speaker 4: want a family, but she did go ahead and freeze
27:25
Speaker 4: her eggs.
27:26
Speaker 3: And I was like, Oh, that's interesting, Like why.
27:28
Speaker 1: Don't they talk about that bingo.
27:30
Speaker 4: Because yeah, I feel like he and I remember I
27:34
Speaker 4: interviewed him many years ago, and I feel like that
27:36
Speaker 4: was the vibe that he was giving, like she's totally
27:40
Speaker 4: disinterested in having a family, so like what am I
27:42
Speaker 4: supposed to do?
27:44
Speaker 3: That must have been infuriating.
27:46
Speaker 4: So that's the kind of stuff I would have, So
27:48
Speaker 4: she doesn't necessarily have to film with him or have
27:51
Speaker 4: this like big like Jets versus Shark's West Side story
27:55
Speaker 4: moment at the end where she's like, you know what,
27:57
Speaker 4: you can shove it up, you know whatever, but you
28:01
Speaker 4: could still like give some context of like this is
28:04
Speaker 4: why it's so important for me to move forward. This
28:06
Speaker 4: is I was so over him by this point in
28:09
Speaker 4: terms of like an emotional and physical connection. The minute
28:12
Speaker 4: I met this guy Dan and he gave me just
28:16
Speaker 4: a quarter of like what Tom gave me, I was
28:20
Speaker 4: so eager to explore it because I've been devoid of
28:23
Speaker 4: any connection emotionally or physically for so long, and I'm
28:26
Speaker 4: not willing to do that anymore. If anything about this
28:29
Speaker 4: scandal coming out is that now I know the love
28:31
Speaker 4: and support I have of people, but I also found
28:34
Speaker 4: a part of myself that had died inside over the
28:37
Speaker 4: course of like eight.
28:38
Speaker 3: Or whatever they were.
28:40
Speaker 4: I think that like I would have had more of
28:42
Speaker 4: that element, like because people are ripping on her on
28:45
Speaker 4: the show too, like, oh you met this guy and
28:47
Speaker 4: there it's like eight days or they met at a wedding.
28:50
Speaker 4: I'm like, it doesn't really matter, because when you're really
28:53
Speaker 4: over someone, when you meet somebody that like actually gives
28:57
Speaker 4: you just a little bit of something, you're like, oh,
28:59
Speaker 4: I'm going all in right.
29:01
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why I felt disconnected in that relationship,
29:04
Speaker 2: because to me, it was one of those things where
29:06
Speaker 2: I'm like, talk us through this, do you know what
29:08
Speaker 2: I mean? Like, I mean, listen, did you see any chemistry.
29:11
Speaker 2: I just thought, I mean, honey rebound Dennis Rodman on
29:15
Speaker 2: the court playing the.
29:16
Speaker 1: Laker like it was. It just gave rebound to me,
29:20
Speaker 1: and it gave sort of.
29:22
Speaker 4: Like there wasn't it something like years ago where he
29:25
Speaker 4: had said, well, we're a brand. Oh the previous season
29:28
Speaker 4: when they were having problems, he said, well, some one
29:31
Speaker 4: of them said, well, we stayed together because of the brand.
29:34
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying again, as I said in the beginning,
29:36
Speaker 4: like it's hard for us to understand a lot of
29:39
Speaker 4: this because we're not a couple on a reality show.
29:42
Speaker 1: Mm hm.
29:43
Speaker 4: So I think people kind of lose their marbles sometimes,
29:46
Speaker 4: like we're a brand. Like to me, they were not
29:49
Speaker 4: this captivating couple together like at all, Like no, like
29:53
Speaker 4: a power couple or anything.
29:55
Speaker 2: They were no Kyle and Mauricio. They were you know,
29:58
Speaker 2: they were not the couple that you sort of like
30:01
Speaker 2: looked at like, oh my god, they're so good looking,
30:03
Speaker 2: they're so great And we.
30:04
Speaker 4: Just remember he paid for James's whole engagement thing for Raquel.
30:09
Speaker 3: Remember that.
30:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was like, what strong couple is, Like, let's
30:13
Speaker 4: pay for someone else's engagement party.
30:15
Speaker 2: I know and think you love it how they blamed
30:17
Speaker 2: James or bring her by keel to the forefront of
30:20
Speaker 2: the first place.
30:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, but by the way, let's go back to whether
30:25
Speaker 4: or not she was complicit or not, like she targeted
30:28
Speaker 4: James to get on the show.
30:30
Speaker 3: Like, let's not forget that she wanted to be on
30:33
Speaker 3: the show.
30:34
Speaker 1: She was like super fan interesting and James ooh.
30:39
Speaker 4: I think she was a pageant girl who was like
30:43
Speaker 4: ending the pageant circuit and she's like, I want to
30:46
Speaker 4: be on TV. And I think it's pretty alarning to
30:50
Speaker 4: be the idea of being on a show like vander
30:51
Speaker 4: Pump Rules, where this escalator to social media success. You're
30:56
Speaker 4: all of a sudden on this show. I never really
30:59
Speaker 4: saw Keemi between James and Raquel either or Rachel or whatever.
31:03
Speaker 3: I'm like, is she just phoning this in just so
31:06
Speaker 3: she could stay on the show. I just don't like.
31:09
Speaker 4: Again, all of them are sort of like odd to me,
31:13
Speaker 4: Like I'm always trying to figure them out, as we
31:15
Speaker 4: all do. Let's be honest, we watched the show for entertainment,
31:19
Speaker 4: but also, I say, smart people watch shows like this
31:23
Speaker 4: because it's a study of human behavior. So we're studying
31:26
Speaker 4: and we're cross referencing previous things. We're just trying to
31:31
Speaker 4: figure out someone's personality profile, and we keep getting more
31:35
Speaker 4: evidence and we're just trying to put it all together.
31:38
Speaker 4: And when I look at Rachel Slush Raquel that the
31:41
Speaker 4: name is odd too, her name's Rachel, but she she
31:45
Speaker 4: like was creating this personality for TV. But she absolutely did.
31:51
Speaker 4: I mean, and I think that it seems like James
31:54
Speaker 4: may have done the same thing to date Kristen to
31:56
Speaker 4: get on the show too. So, like Allegrino said something
32:02
Speaker 4: like on Twitter, it was so funny and so true.
32:05
Speaker 3: He was like, just remember guys like it.
32:08
Speaker 4: I'm phrasing it wrong, but like they all are horrible,
32:12
Speaker 4: Like they all made shitty mistakes. Like let's not forget that.
32:16
Speaker 4: Like as soon as we're all clear with that, then
32:18
Speaker 4: we can move forward. Like no one's hands are clean
32:21
Speaker 4: in this business at all.
32:23
Speaker 2: Yes, And that's the reason why listen once again, I'll
32:26
Speaker 2: say this over and over again. Was Sandoval day was horrible.
32:31
Speaker 2: But when you look at the order of advanced when
32:35
Speaker 2: it comes to each cast member on this Shelsa's Day one,
32:38
Speaker 2: they've all done.
32:40
Speaker 1: Some shady shit to each other. Yeah, they've all done it.
32:44
Speaker 4: That's why, Okay, I'm gonna have a hot take too.
32:48
Speaker 4: I think people are surprised that the Valley is doing
32:53
Speaker 4: so well because the idea of the Vanner Pump people
32:56
Speaker 4: having children.
32:57
Speaker 3: They're like, well, that would never work.
32:59
Speaker 4: The Valley works because they're new people and we met
33:03
Speaker 4: them at an age where they just got married and
33:05
Speaker 4: they're having a family. I don't think people can accept
33:09
Speaker 4: vander Pump people becoming parents because we met them when
33:13
Speaker 4: they were at like twenty six and they made horrible decisions.
33:18
Speaker 4: Like we accept Stossy as a mom because she went
33:21
Speaker 4: off the show and she started to build a life
33:23
Speaker 4: away from cameras. Yes, they've been on film this whole time,
33:28
Speaker 4: but we can't forget a lot of the cast members too,
33:31
Speaker 4: is we all are studying human behaviors. The tricky thing
33:35
Speaker 4: with this show is a lot of people can't let
33:37
Speaker 4: go of certain things that happened before. So I think
33:40
Speaker 4: the cast get frustrated because they're like, well, this.
33:43
Speaker 3: Is who I am. Can't you accept how I am
33:45
Speaker 3: right now?
33:46
Speaker 4: But the problem with being a reality show is like
33:48
Speaker 4: people don't forget, you know, they can't forget where maybe
33:52
Speaker 4: you shame somebody because they didn't have good enough tits
33:54
Speaker 4: to get on a private jet. Like they can't. They
33:57
Speaker 4: have a hard time letting go of it. That's the
33:59
Speaker 4: plight of the cast member. It's no different than housewives either,
34:03
Speaker 4: Like you know, like the Bachelor, you're only on for
34:06
Speaker 4: one season, so they kind of like say something stupid
34:09
Speaker 4: and three weeks later you're kicked off the show and
34:11
Speaker 4: we don't see you again for years and years to come.
34:13
Speaker 4: But if you're consistently on a show for years and
34:15
Speaker 4: years and years, people don't forget what happened seasons before.
34:20
Speaker 3: They just don't.
34:21
Speaker 4: Like, I think it was very hard for people to
34:23
Speaker 4: come around to Brock. I still think people are trying
34:26
Speaker 4: to like still come around a Brock because they remember
34:29
Speaker 4: who he was when Katie and all the others kind
34:32
Speaker 4: of highlighted that he had this strange relationship with children,
34:37
Speaker 4: and now he's like, but look, I'm a great dad
34:40
Speaker 4: to my child. I'm like, yeah, but you're also on
34:42
Speaker 4: a reality show where this information came out and the
34:46
Speaker 4: audience doesn't get over it, you know. I feel like
34:49
Speaker 4: reality stars they try to like get over things quickly
34:52
Speaker 4: for the sake of TV. It's like this expedited, expedited process.
34:57
Speaker 3: It's not for the audience. If we don't, they don't forget.
35:02
Speaker 2: So when it comes to Brock, do you believe that
35:04
Speaker 2: his intentions was pure in terms of like trying to
35:07
Speaker 2: have a relationship with his kids all of a sudden.
35:10
Speaker 3: I would assume.
35:10
Speaker 4: So, I mean, he seems sincere. But then, you know,
35:14
Speaker 4: the audience has comprised a lot of it of women
35:17
Speaker 4: who may have had like the father of their child
35:22
Speaker 4: not show up financially and physically, and maybe they're like,
35:25
Speaker 4: I can't get past this because I mean, at least
35:28
Speaker 4: Lalla acknowledged that. I think in the reunion she was like,
35:30
Speaker 4: I am very bad at projecting, you know, like we
35:35
Speaker 4: all project in our own ways. But yeah, I mean,
35:38
Speaker 4: he seems like a lovely person. But I'm just telling you,
35:42
Speaker 4: like a lot of women who've gone through some shit
35:44
Speaker 4: with like bothers of their children are not like, oh,
35:47
Speaker 4: you know what, he does seem great. Like they people
35:50
Speaker 4: have a hard time getting past stuff, and they're not
35:53
Speaker 4: going to get past Town Sandoval anytime soon.
35:56
Speaker 2: No, not at all, not at all. Do you think
35:58
Speaker 2: Lala and Katie can get so because I think they're.
36:01
Speaker 4: Too similar that they go below the belt. You attack them,
36:06
Speaker 4: they will rip.
36:06
Speaker 3: Your eyeballs out, oh for sure.
36:09
Speaker 4: And I don't know if friends can coexist when they're
36:12
Speaker 4: when they both have that archetype.
36:14
Speaker 2: Yeah, because one person needs to be the more yeah, mature,
36:18
Speaker 2: balanced one to offset the one who's a little bit
36:22
Speaker 2: more of the activator.
36:24
Speaker 3: Yeah.
36:24
Speaker 4: Like in my house, you know, when my kids get obnoxious,
36:28
Speaker 4: one of us has to go hard and like discipline them,
36:31
Speaker 4: and then the other one has to be soft for friendship,
36:34
Speaker 4: and especially on a reality show, like you cannot have
36:36
Speaker 4: two alphas that will like eviscerate anyone who comes their
36:40
Speaker 4: way co exists into friendship.
36:42
Speaker 3: I just don't think that's possible.
36:43
Speaker 1: No.
36:44
Speaker 4: I also think that like those people like the Audience
36:47
Speaker 4: where she's like, I can't get past that this happened
36:52
Speaker 4: when I first met you, I think she is one
36:54
Speaker 4: of those people. She's clocked, she's taking inventory of all
36:58
Speaker 4: the information at all time. And I don't think she's
37:01
Speaker 4: someone that lets things go. You know, like when I
37:04
Speaker 4: was a kid and my mom, like i'd have a
37:06
Speaker 4: fight with a friend. My mom would never like let
37:08
Speaker 4: it go with my friend. No, she'd remind me of
37:11
Speaker 4: it she'd be like, remember that asshole, Kelly Thompson, you know,
37:14
Speaker 4: remember she did that? You know, and it's like, oh, sorry,
37:16
Speaker 4: Kelly Thompson, I love it, but you know, like and
37:19
Speaker 4: I'd be like, Mom, that was like three weeks ago,
37:21
Speaker 4: and she's like, I don't forget that's who Katie is.
37:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, which which is good.
37:27
Speaker 4: Because if you're going to tell the story of like friendships,
37:30
Speaker 4: like they all have different archetypes, but if you have
37:32
Speaker 4: two of those people, I don't think either of them
37:35
Speaker 4: will ever want to feel vulnerable in front of the other,
37:37
Speaker 4: if that makes sense, because you don't know how that
37:39
Speaker 4: information is going to be used against you at a
37:41
Speaker 4: later date. They play, you know it is they play
37:43
Speaker 4: the same game of monopoly they do.
37:46
Speaker 2: No, I agree with you, I really do, which is
37:49
Speaker 2: why to your point, as we sort of conclude part
37:53
Speaker 2: one and we have two more parts to go, well.
37:56
Speaker 4: Too, I'm assuming is just sort of like fluff, right,
37:59
Speaker 4: Like it keeps kind of excited.
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Speaker 3: We're really jonesing for.
38:03
Speaker 4: What does that May twenty whatever? Yeah, well that's the
38:06
Speaker 4: one what I'm most looking forward to. I feel like
38:09
Speaker 4: Andy Cohen has been so funny when it comes to
38:12
Speaker 4: Vanner pump stuff. I feel like he's almost trolling them
38:16
Speaker 4: in this reunion in a very subtle, funny way. But
38:19
Speaker 4: the idea that it's going to be the end of
38:22
Speaker 4: the reunion, and they saved the last part of footage
38:26
Speaker 4: for them all to witness, but what we saw at
38:29
Speaker 4: the end, which is like showing them as they were
38:32
Speaker 4: when they first joined the show and now so they
38:34
Speaker 4: can collectively have a joint response to oh God, it's
38:39
Speaker 4: the end of the road, like boys to men Hewitt
38:43
Speaker 4: like it's the end of the road friends.
38:45
Speaker 3: And I think that is going to.
38:47
Speaker 4: Be really good TV where you're like or they're like,
38:50
Speaker 4: oh god, because they're inevitably going to run through the
38:53
Speaker 4: whole season. Oh my god, is it the end? Maybe
38:55
Speaker 4: I should have done this, Maybe I should have done that.
38:57
Speaker 3: I think some of them are.
38:58
Speaker 4: Gonna go, yeah, shitheads, this is what we've been trying
39:01
Speaker 4: to tell you.
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Speaker 3: You got a film together. We don't want to show anymore.
39:05
Speaker 3: We're not going to have income.
39:06
Speaker 1: You know why.
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Speaker 2: You're so right and you're so smart as always to
39:10
Speaker 2: start the reunion by letting them know like, oh, by
39:14
Speaker 2: the way, we haven't seen the final episode, and I
39:18
Speaker 2: was like, well, that's weird because as so the audience knows.
39:21
Speaker 2: As a producer, you get to bench watch the entire
39:25
Speaker 2: season two days prior to the reunion to get caught
39:28
Speaker 2: up on everything. So the fact that they would have
39:31
Speaker 2: held the finale, Kate, is so smart in the sense of, yes,
39:35
Speaker 2: they're going to show them that whole like montage of
39:38
Speaker 2: like where they were and pretty much like you said,
39:41
Speaker 2: the boys to Men's Song the end of the Road.
39:44
Speaker 2: And that's the reason why, Kate, did you know this
39:48
Speaker 2: becast removed pump rules from their bio.
39:52
Speaker 3: Well, they should have, because I think it's end.
39:54
Speaker 4: But you know, I said, I don't remember this, but
39:57
Speaker 4: I said after skin of All when they started filming,
40:01
Speaker 4: I know this last season.
40:02
Speaker 3: It's the end of it.
40:04
Speaker 4: And I've had so many people that when you're out
40:07
Speaker 4: of your mind the ratings are too high, I'm like,
40:09
Speaker 4: this is it. There's not much more to tell after this.
40:13
Speaker 4: It's done, and I think they're doing a wise thing
40:16
Speaker 4: by ending the show. By the way, I would like
40:18
Speaker 4: to say too, they should. We should give them some
40:22
Speaker 4: accolades because it is, as you know, pretty unheard of.
40:26
Speaker 4: It's like eleven seasons of a show or something. Yeah,
40:29
Speaker 4: that is a long time, and that's a that's very successful,
40:33
Speaker 4: So they shouldn't feel so bad about it ending because
40:36
Speaker 4: that's a long time to be on TV.
40:39
Speaker 1: No.
40:39
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. So do you think some people will
40:41
Speaker 2: go to the Valley?
40:43
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I really like the Valley as
40:46
Speaker 4: it is. I like the idea of people that were,
40:50
Speaker 4: as I've always said, plucked from obscurity to some degree.
40:53
Speaker 4: We didn't really know any of them, and they had
40:55
Speaker 4: the joint experience of doing the show together. And I
40:58
Speaker 4: think if you add people that are seasoned reality people,
41:02
Speaker 4: it changes the dynamic. There's a bond that exists when
41:06
Speaker 4: you know Gina and Emily on Orange County. I'm sure
41:09
Speaker 4: they have a bond because they joined the same season, right,
41:13
Speaker 4: you have a whole cast that joins the show at
41:15
Speaker 4: the same time, and they were not really famous before.
41:18
Speaker 4: I don't think they should change that algorithm you throw
41:21
Speaker 4: in like Shena or Lala. I feel like it wouldn't
41:24
Speaker 4: Then they may be they may suck some of the
41:28
Speaker 4: air out of the room because they're bigger personalities. I
41:32
Speaker 4: like that they're just a group of friends who are
41:34
Speaker 4: just trying to keep their heads above water raising very
41:37
Speaker 4: small children.
41:38
Speaker 1: Would you like to see a whole new crop of cast?
41:41
Speaker 4: No, just get rid of the show. It was good,
41:43
Speaker 4: it was eleven years. Like, put it to bed, let's
41:45
Speaker 4: do something new. I feel like in the last couple
41:48
Speaker 4: of years, because of COVID and the strikes, that networks
41:50
Speaker 4: are apt to just bring in old inventory, old ip
41:55
Speaker 4: reinvent things. And I think it's like a risk averse move,
42:01
Speaker 4: you know, like they don't want to invest in something new.
42:03
Speaker 4: But I think the audience is so hungry for new
42:05
Speaker 4: people and new stories. There have probably been superb pitches
42:09
Speaker 4: sent their way. I know I have sent some, and
42:14
Speaker 4: I think that like people are really excited about telling new,
42:18
Speaker 4: modern stories.
42:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's true.
42:20
Speaker 2: And like you said, the industry is filled with just
42:24
Speaker 2: rebooting known ips. So for the audience, that's intellectual property.
42:28
Speaker 2: Is the reason why you're seeing all of these like remakes,
42:31
Speaker 2: like even from movies to reality shows, like it was
42:35
Speaker 2: just announced that Paris and The Call are going to
42:38
Speaker 2: reboot The Simple Life because people nowadays they want what
42:41
Speaker 2: they're used to.
42:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, people watch old episodes at the office and the
42:45
Speaker 4: old episodes of Friends.
42:47
Speaker 3: They want that.
42:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, and suits yeah, it's is.
42:51
Speaker 3: Super super popular right now.
42:53
Speaker 2: Okaate, Well, look girl, as always, you dropped plenty of
42:58
Speaker 2: gems for the audience, and I can't wait to see
43:02
Speaker 2: what's going to happen with this show, because I think
43:04
Speaker 2: you're onto something.
43:05
Speaker 1: Once the cast sees.
43:08
Speaker 2: That montage of the finale is going to make sense
43:12
Speaker 2: why Pump Rules was removed from the bio before part
43:17
Speaker 2: one reunion even aired, because obviously they know what happened, so.
43:21
Speaker 4: You know it's gonna be a really good interview, and
43:24
Speaker 4: like three years from now, circling back to all of them,
43:27
Speaker 4: they go, Okay, what did you really think that last season?
43:30
Speaker 4: I suspect Laala was going to say I felt tremendous
43:33
Speaker 4: pressure to keep the.
43:34
Speaker 3: Show alive, and I felt like she did.
43:36
Speaker 4: I was doing the work to try to keep the
43:38
Speaker 4: show alive and I was completely disrespected for it.
43:41
Speaker 3: I think Sena is going to say something similar.
43:44
Speaker 4: I think Arianna's going to go I had already, like
43:46
Speaker 4: I said on my show before she reminded me the
43:49
Speaker 4: season of someone who is already packing up her stuff
43:51
Speaker 4: in the office because she's got a new office at
43:54
Speaker 4: another Company's not she wasn't really present because She's like,
43:58
Speaker 4: I'm so moved on from here. I don't belong here.
44:02
Speaker 4: This isn't me anymore. I've outgrown this it. It'll be
44:06
Speaker 4: interesting to hear, like a couple of years from now,
44:08
Speaker 4: like how she really felt. And I feel like Schwartz
44:10
Speaker 4: is just gonna be like, oh, I don't know. I
44:12
Speaker 4: was just like showing up to work, you know what
44:14
Speaker 4: I mean. But and then of course the producers like
44:17
Speaker 4: what was really happening?
44:18
Speaker 3: I want to know that, don't you?
44:20
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I want like a Brady Bunch, where are they now?
44:24
Speaker 2: I think every years like yeah, yeah, and sort of
44:27
Speaker 2: like recapping the moment and the history of the show,
44:30
Speaker 2: and like did you know was the end?
44:32
Speaker 1: And I could not agree with you more.
44:34
Speaker 2: I think Laala did everything in her pinky finger to
44:37
Speaker 2: save the show.
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