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ITB: What's The Situation Surrounding Eagles DC Vic Fangio? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

0:09
Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's up, everybody. It's Jeff
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Speaker 1: Mosher and Adam Kaplan. And just when you thought it
0:18
Speaker 1: was safe to be happy, or you know, maybe you're
0:20
Speaker 1: not happy, but at least you knew that Eagles had
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Speaker 1: a new offensive coordinator and you could start thinking about
0:25
Speaker 1: the offense Adam.
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Speaker 2: Just when you thought it was safe.
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Speaker 1: Then my colleague Jimmy Kemski comes out with a report
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Speaker 1: on Sunday, something that we do a little bit about,
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Speaker 1: but Jimmy really put a great amount of detail into
0:37
Speaker 1: it that Vic Fangio considering retirement and that the Eagles
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Speaker 1: had spoken to both Jim Schwartz and another oh, Jonathan
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Speaker 1: Gannon about the job. And you know, it's a little
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Speaker 1: bit in limbo now, is according to Jimmy's story, and
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Speaker 1: we'll talk about him more, you know, like he said,
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Speaker 1: all right, but no one will really confirm that he's
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Speaker 1: definitely going to be the defensive coordinator this year, at
1:01
Speaker 1: least nobody was able to confirm that to Jimmy from
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Speaker 1: the team. So that's pretty interesting here, and that would
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Speaker 1: leave the Eagles in a pretty tough predicament if he
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Speaker 1: decides at the last second to just hang it up.
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Speaker 3: I mean it, it's funny. I guess I was at
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Speaker 3: the Seener Bowl last week, but I guess this was
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Speaker 3: the big Brumer. This is what we kind of learned.
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Speaker 3: I guess Saturday or something that the big rumor was
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Speaker 3: that Fanshom might retire. But I'm thinking, wait a minute.
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Speaker 3: The time to do this, you almost always coaching retirements
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Speaker 3: head coach coordinator happened within three to five days after
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Speaker 3: a team season is done. This case obviously after the
1:43
Speaker 3: Niners game. And the big reason is you don't want
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Speaker 3: to hold up your coaches so they can get work
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Speaker 3: right way. It's been explaining to me for years, especially
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Speaker 3: this time. And then Jimmy's story came out on Sunday.
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Speaker 3: I was like, I just I mean, there the couple
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Speaker 3: guys I spoke with, don't I don't know even if
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Speaker 3: the Eagles coaches were there or not. Senior Bawl, I
2:05
Speaker 3: have no idea.
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Speaker 2: It doesn't Yeah it wasn't wasn't Clint Hurt there or.
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Speaker 3: He was coaching? Yeah he was coaching oney, Yeah, yeah, right,
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Speaker 3: he was actually coaching one of the sides. But I
2:16
Speaker 3: know a lot of teams don't send their coaches. Now
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Speaker 3: it's like in vogue. Yeah, where does not you know,
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Speaker 3: we're whatever. A lot of teams do that now. It's
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Speaker 3: kind of weird what it was unheard of like ten
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Speaker 3: years ago. But anyway, Yeah, the big rum gonna come
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Speaker 3: out was Vic was contemplating retirement and then Jimmy story
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Speaker 3: says what he had to be talked out of.
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Speaker 1: It or they Jimmy story says that they have convinced
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Speaker 1: him to coach again. However, he was not able to
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Speaker 1: get confirmation that you can officially say he.
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Speaker 2: Will definitely be the defensive coordinator going forward.
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Speaker 1: So it seems a little look, if you're a handicap
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Speaker 1: it based on Jimmy story, you would think eighty fulfills
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Speaker 1: the last year of his contract, but you never know.
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Speaker 1: You leave the door open to something crazy happening and
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Speaker 1: it doesn't, and I'd be, I guess at this point
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Speaker 1: surprised if he coached beyond twenty twenty six, this would
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Speaker 1: clearly be his last year.
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Speaker 3: All right, So this is the way coordinator contracts go.
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Speaker 3: They're either two years if you don't have leverage. If
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Speaker 3: you're first time coordinator with no leverage, you get two years.
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Speaker 3: If you're a tenured guy, you get three years. A
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Speaker 3: positional coaches get what are called two years with a rollover. Right.
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Speaker 3: There are rare instances where let's say a coach has
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Speaker 3: an offset he was fired from another team, and he
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Speaker 3: comes in the other clubs paying the finaliy of his contract,
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Speaker 3: or maybe if he has two years left, they pay
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Speaker 3: one the new team paids. They work it out, right,
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Speaker 3: But position coaches almost always get just two years with
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Speaker 3: a rollover, which is called the option year, and the
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Speaker 3: tenure coordinators almost always get three unless unless there's it's tenuous,
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Speaker 3: you know, the coach staff might be fired. You know,
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Speaker 3: when ownership knows coaches kind of know wink wink or
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Speaker 3: not nod you guys better win the season. You're gonna
4:02
Speaker 3: be out without saying it. So Vic almost certainly got
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Speaker 3: three years. I didn't. I mean, I bet the house
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Speaker 3: that he did. That's just the way it is, you know.
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Speaker 3: I do wonder though, with Sean Manion, Bob, we're going
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Speaker 3: to talk about him also in this show. He's he's
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Speaker 3: getting at least two, if not three, So I I yeah,
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Speaker 3: I wonder. I wonder.
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Speaker 1: If you're an agent, you're right, you have no idea.
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Speaker 2: You're his agent.
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Speaker 1: You push for three anyway, but you really, you really
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Speaker 1: would love three because you know that there's a chance
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Speaker 1: that it's this thing backfires and it might not just
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Speaker 1: be him. Like if the Eagles have a rash of injuries,
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Speaker 1: let's say they're terrible defensively, who whatever, if they finished
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Speaker 1: six and eleven, everybody gets fired and then you're out
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Speaker 1: of a job. You know that, And you just left
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Speaker 1: your job to take this job. So you want that
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Speaker 1: extra year of money for it's almost like a tax.
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Speaker 1: You know, I don't believe in your future, so I
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Speaker 1: want that one extra year.
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Speaker 2: We've seen this with front office people too.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe Douglas got without looking up, was it six
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Speaker 3: or seven years? Because he Jimmy sex and his agent
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Speaker 3: then I think was Jimmy Sexon who did the deal?
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Speaker 3: You get? And when you have that jet situation you
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Speaker 3: get five is not enough? Yeah, you're right, sounds absurd.
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Speaker 3: But a couple of things to Jimmy's story, just on
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Speaker 3: Gannon to clarify it. Uh, he's the he's the decordinator
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Speaker 3: for the packers, so they obviously would have had talked
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Speaker 3: to him before he got that job. He can't talk
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Speaker 3: to him once he gets to the job and Jim
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Speaker 3: Schwartz now the question. Obviously he didn't get the head
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Speaker 3: coach a job, and he was definitely not happy about it. Now.
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Speaker 3: You know, I thought about Schwartz earlier this week with
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Speaker 3: our patron members. If Vic decided he wasn't going to
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Speaker 3: if he just surprised everybody, and at this date, I'm
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Speaker 3: sticking with it. I'm not doing it. Schwartz is just
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Speaker 3: completely different. I understand they won a Super Bowl with him.
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Speaker 3: I get the nine years ago and our reporting then.
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Speaker 3: I know there were report the report. There are a
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Speaker 3: couple of reports out there that he was not going
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Speaker 3: to be retained, which are completely false by a couple
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Speaker 3: of club sources that that's nonsense. He absolute would have
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Speaker 3: been welcomed back back then if you juggle, it was canned.
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Speaker 3: But and Jim took the it took some time off,
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Speaker 3: then went to the Titans.
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Speaker 2: Then yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, if I remember at the time, I
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Speaker 1: think Jim was looking to to just kind of get
6:22
Speaker 1: out somewhere, and I know he had They said he
6:25
Speaker 1: had some medical stuff maybe to take care of. He
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Speaker 1: had like something with his eyes. It turned out to
6:30
Speaker 1: be not a very serious medical condition, but he wound
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Speaker 1: up being I think in some kind of assistant with
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Speaker 1: the Titans, or it was up in the booth for
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Speaker 1: a little bit. But you know, to my as, I
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Speaker 1: think we both understood it, he was just trying to
6:42
Speaker 1: look for a fresh start. Things were not great with
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Speaker 1: the Eagles at that point.
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Speaker 3: I don't remember five, I don't remember. I just the
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Speaker 3: only thing I because we were like, this can't be
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Speaker 3: true that they would have He's just too good of
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Speaker 3: a coordinator, and it was. It was not true that
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Speaker 3: they were they would have welcomed back. But yeah, he
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Speaker 3: wanted some time offense, right, absolutely, right, so fast forwarding.
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Speaker 3: It's just my sense though, the way these things go,
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Speaker 3: I'm sure that they knew this after the Niners game,
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Speaker 3: within days. There's just no way that they didn't know this,
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Speaker 3: because you wouldn't they. They may have told how he
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Speaker 3: might have told him, and Nick might have told him, hey, listen,
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Speaker 3: get to you know what. Listen, I hear you on this.
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Speaker 3: Please take some time, don't you know. Listen, we want
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Speaker 3: you back. Whatever you need, We're going to take care
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Speaker 3: of it. Vic Fanger doesn't seem like a guy who's
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Speaker 3: going to be holding out for money. Know some coaches.
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Speaker 3: This is actually true. This has actually happened before where
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Speaker 3: they I'm just making clear, I'm not saying Vic would
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Speaker 3: ever do this right where they kind of him and
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Speaker 3: Hall and they want more money, so they act like
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Speaker 3: they want to retire, you know, when they really didn't. Yep,
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Speaker 3: But this is there's no way Vic would do this. No.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I was among a pack of reporters on
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Speaker 1: clean out day that was around n Kobe Dean when
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Speaker 1: he was being asked about Vic, and Nikobe said something
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Speaker 1: to the effect that Vic has thought about it before,
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Speaker 1: He's talked about it with his players, and he always
8:00
Speaker 1: has told Hen to paraphrase na Kobe, he said that
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Speaker 1: Vic has said something like when it starts to become
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Speaker 1: not fun for me anymore, then I'm really just going
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Speaker 1: to walk away. It's not gonna be about money, It's
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Speaker 1: not gonna it's just gonna be about whether or I
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Speaker 1: still have the competitive drive to continue.
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Speaker 2: To do this.
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Speaker 1: So I think that the one area you'd be concerned,
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Speaker 1: like you're never concerned about if he's coaching, he's coaching,
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Speaker 1: his knowledge is there fine, But like with anybody, if
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Speaker 1: you feel like they have one foot out the door.
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Speaker 2: Or their heart's not in it. That's a little tough.
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Speaker 2: Like I would listen if I were in the organization,
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Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm trying.
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Speaker 1: I'm doing everything I can. And now that I know
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Speaker 1: what I know, I'm either looking at Joe Casper now
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Speaker 1: as the successor or he would be the house be right.
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Speaker 1: But but I still would have a little bit of
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Speaker 1: I guess sheepusness, especially coming off how last year ended,
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Speaker 1: not just for the defense but for the team and
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Speaker 1: this big year coming up, that my defensive coordinator has
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Speaker 1: kind of one foot out the door and and where
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Speaker 1: his mind is that you know, but I but you
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Speaker 1: trust that Vic will be locked in if he's the.
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Speaker 3: Guy this is well, if he's come back, he's locked in.
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Speaker 3: I don't think.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just feel like mentally locked in at him, like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: really are not working it out?
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Speaker 2: You know? Do I really want to do this?
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Speaker 3: I had a joke with someone over the week and
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Speaker 3: I said, he may look like he's eighty, but he's
9:17
Speaker 3: only sixty seven. In fact, Bill Belichick's what seventy three,
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Speaker 3: seventy four years old?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Pete Carroll was in his seventies last year, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, you're right, and listen. Vic has been
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Speaker 3: coaching forty two years pro coaching. Excuse me, pro coaching. Okay.
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Speaker 3: He started his coaching career earlier than that, in the
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Speaker 3: early eighties, and he was with the Stars in the
9:38
Speaker 3: Philadelphia Slash Baltimore Stars eighty four and eighty five in
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Speaker 3: his early to mid twenties. Pretty amazing. Yeah, you get
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Speaker 3: burnout sometime, but it's just it's extremely rare, not impossible
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Speaker 3: for someone to walk away right now, and God wants
9:53
Speaker 3: to walk away, walks away. But what you want to
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Speaker 3: do is you want to do right by your assistance.
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Speaker 3: It's the way he's explain to me various times. It's
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Speaker 3: just it would really surprise me if it's now that
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Speaker 3: he he Jimmy's story. Let let's whoever he spoke with, said, Hey,
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Speaker 3: he's leaning towards coming back, but then Jimmy called for
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Speaker 3: a confirmation from the club. They wouldn't confirm it. Yeah,
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Speaker 3: that's not like.
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Speaker 2: That's what I mean by the one foot out the door.
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Speaker 2: It's like you just there. I'm good.
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Speaker 3: You know. I wanted what he said, because again, the
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Speaker 3: coaches have to know. I know that there are ten
10:25
Speaker 3: head coaching changes Okay, a lot of them. They'll give
10:29
Speaker 3: you another little dirty secret in coaching. This is one
10:32
Speaker 3: of my five I must have heard this one hundred
10:34
Speaker 3: times in the last like three or four weeks. Hey,
10:36
Speaker 3: if I get this job, I want you with me.
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Speaker 3: Kind of there, well a lot of them. It may
10:40
Speaker 3: not be out that these clubs have filled these positions,
10:43
Speaker 3: but they're already Wink, wink, not nod, You're going to
10:45
Speaker 3: be coaching with me. I want you on my staff.
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Speaker 3: That's what makes it tough moving forward here with the
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Speaker 3: Eagles assistants and VIC is not if VIC just changes
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Speaker 3: course and says I'm done. Sorry, I just can't do it.
10:57
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it on your some of
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Speaker 3: the points you made. I mean, is it really fair,
11:00
Speaker 3: because hey, if they want to run Fangio scheme, that's
11:04
Speaker 3: one thing that you could keep these guys. If not
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Speaker 3: Schwartzey doesn't run this, he runs a forty three completely different.
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Speaker 3: I mean, VIC not to say he created Cooper Degene,
11:13
Speaker 3: but Cooper Gene became a superstar with VIC and Christian Parker.
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Speaker 3: It's before we move on, I just want people to
11:21
Speaker 3: understand this is a very interesting situation with the Eagles,
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Speaker 3: and it is from a timing standpoint, almost unprecedent. I'm
11:28
Speaker 3: not saying it's never happened. And again, most likely it's
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Speaker 3: Howie and Nick knew this within days after the Niners game.
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Speaker 3: And as Nukobe knows, and it's not secret, Vic is
11:41
Speaker 3: considered retirement before. And also it's no different than Lane Johnson,
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Speaker 3: an older player, okay, in their mid to lay thirties
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Speaker 3: going year to year. Guys like Vic in their late
11:51
Speaker 3: sixties are going year to year on their on their
11:54
Speaker 3: mind frame. Vic lettig he said something about his girlfriend
11:58
Speaker 3: and one of the press conferences, remember that, Yeah, he
12:02
Speaker 3: dropped something about his new girlfriend or something. I don't know,
12:06
Speaker 3: And then I looked it up to see what he
12:07
Speaker 3: was talking about, and yeah, there's ultra information. How did
12:10
Speaker 3: these people find the stuff out?
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Speaker 2: That was really funny.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but anyway, look, it's not a Belichian since I
12:17
Speaker 1: don't I don't know that to be a fan were
12:20
Speaker 1: Bill's nearly fifty years older than his girlfriend.
12:23
Speaker 3: But anyway, Yeah, so just to move this along here,
12:26
Speaker 3: Joe Caspers, we were we've noted many times, would be
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Speaker 3: the in house candidate. Richard Parker's gone anyway, Joe is
12:32
Speaker 3: a is a VIC protege. I would love to know.
12:36
Speaker 3: I know he brought him to Miami, but did he
12:39
Speaker 3: meet that? Did they meet when Vic was a consultant?
12:41
Speaker 3: Is that when they met? I don't know that.
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Speaker 1: I think said that, yeah, because remember when Vic was
12:45
Speaker 1: hanging around hanging around the eagle.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he got through everybody.
12:48
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then he took Casper with it because
12:51
Speaker 1: they were not tied beforehand.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: That's why I was asking, because I was like, how
12:54
Speaker 3: the hell? This is an interesting one. I always find
12:57
Speaker 3: it fascinating when coaches have mentors in the game. You know, well,
13:04
Speaker 3: how do they meet them? Like where do they meet them?
13:06
Speaker 3: Senor Bawl Combine? Where they introduced? You know, how do
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Speaker 3: they meet? It's it's fascinating that one with Joe Casper.
13:12
Speaker 3: Who's that? But talk about a high riser. Yeah, by the.
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Speaker 1: Way, that drill, you know that drill that he's got,
13:19
Speaker 1: the tackling drill of the safeties where he basically lets
13:22
Speaker 1: them tackle him onto a mat and.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he figures out a way to land the
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Speaker 2: right way so that he doesn't get hurt. Yeah. Yeah. E. J.
13:34
Speaker 2: Smith once put a.
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Speaker 3: Video of it on Okay cool on Twitter, you.
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Speaker 2: Can find it. It's it's kind of funny, it's comical.
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Speaker 1: It reminded me. I even quote tweeted instead. It reminded
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Speaker 1: me of when Jan Castillo started headbutting his linebackers when
13:46
Speaker 1: he was defensive coordinator and then someone someone had a
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Speaker 1: picture They responded of Wan headbudding like jamar Cheney, I
13:54
Speaker 1: don't know somebody and like he had the actual picture.
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Speaker 2: I think it was from the Philadelphia Inquire. That's how you.
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Speaker 1: Knew that this thing, like go get off the rails
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Speaker 1: quickly with wand when he was bare headed headbutting his
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Speaker 1: own linebackers were wearing helmets.
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Speaker 3: Now, hey, listen, if for some reason Fandrew does retire,
14:14
Speaker 3: we'll do it like we did with Sean Mannion the
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Speaker 3: day before he got the job. We did the story
14:18
Speaker 3: on him, you know, a show on him. Yeah, the
14:20
Speaker 3: story we'll do shows on their coordinator. Canis I just
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Speaker 3: I find it hard to believe he would walk away now,
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Speaker 3: but yeah, it's it's uh.
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Speaker 1: That would be such a huge loss, by the way,
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Speaker 1: I mean, Casper may be great, but just like with Manion,
14:34
Speaker 1: you just don't know.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you just don't.
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Speaker 1: Know, it would just be it would be a really
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Speaker 1: I mean, they're trying to like get some good vibes
14:43
Speaker 1: going into this year after the way last year ended.
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Speaker 1: I can't think of anything that would dampen the vibes
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Speaker 1: around the team and just the overall even inside the building.
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Speaker 2: I'm not talking about fan vibes.
14:52
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about like trying to make sure that
14:54
Speaker 1: you're back to being a super Bowl contender losing Vic Fangio,
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Speaker 1: he may be the most valaluable coach. I don't I
15:01
Speaker 1: don't even think it's maybe he's the most valuable coach
15:03
Speaker 1: they have in that building.
15:04
Speaker 2: I mean he's that oh oh and it's yeah some time. Yeah.
15:08
Speaker 1: I don't want people to think I'm slighting Sirianni, but
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Speaker 1: you know, Vix the guy, it's just the way it is.
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Speaker 3: He's the Yogi. I mean he is. And I've often
15:19
Speaker 3: said Jim Johnson was my favorite coach to cover here,
15:22
Speaker 3: but Vic Fangio is unbelievaby. I I'd never met him before,
15:26
Speaker 3: so I've just been fascinated by his bluntness and is honest.
15:29
Speaker 3: Like his honesty, so we learn a lot. The fans
15:32
Speaker 3: love it because he's given away answers he's giving, he's
15:34
Speaker 3: giving right information. I'm sure they probably I never care,
15:37
Speaker 3: would would rather not be out there, yep, with injuries
15:40
Speaker 3: and schematics sometimes. But anyway, we'll see what happens. But
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Speaker 3: I'll know.
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Speaker 1: Just to answer that, I mean, I know, we know
15:48
Speaker 1: what we've been told about Joe Casper and how how
15:50
Speaker 1: great of a coach they expect him to be. I
15:52
Speaker 1: don't know if the Eagles could walk into twenty twenty
15:55
Speaker 1: six after how last year ended and have two guys
15:58
Speaker 1: as their coordinators were right.
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Speaker 3: What I wanted to get to is Nick Rollis, who
16:02
Speaker 3: was the Cardinals decordinator on Urgannon last check. He was
16:06
Speaker 3: still out there. Obviously he can coaching Fangio. He would
16:09
Speaker 3: be one who was here previously. So yeah, it's not
16:12
Speaker 3: like they couldn't find anyone to run Fangio if the
16:15
Speaker 3: real mccoyle retires. But it's just, uh, we were gonna
16:19
Speaker 3: It's so funny because when Jeff and I were playing
16:20
Speaker 3: the show, we were Sunday, We're like, okay, where we
16:25
Speaker 3: want to go here? Like we were obviously going to
16:27
Speaker 3: talk about this. But I like going inside the coaching
16:30
Speaker 3: stuff because it's interesting how guys find out the senior ball.
16:34
Speaker 3: It's called the Annual Coaches Convention unofficially, and the reason
16:38
Speaker 3: why gms don't like going is because coaching agents and
16:42
Speaker 3: coaches go up to the gms and ask them, hey, man,
16:45
Speaker 3: do you this they won't be bothered.
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
16:47
Speaker 3: That's the truth. There's a lot of I know gms,
16:49
Speaker 3: I've talked you don't want to go. Personnel directors more
16:52
Speaker 3: off than not have to go, but they'd rather not go.
16:54
Speaker 3: A whether your mobile. But the big thing is they
16:58
Speaker 3: just don't want to be bothered by it. So it's
17:03
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17:04
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17:07
Speaker 3: stuff on Manion. Not bad. It's just about potentially what
17:10
Speaker 3: it'll look like, because this is what people really want
17:12
Speaker 3: to know. We'll get that in a minute, yep. But
17:15
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens. Again, it's just very rare that
17:18
Speaker 3: a guy a coordinator will retire. Yes, there's some mitigating
17:22
Speaker 3: service circumstances. Basically it sounds like he told it. I
17:26
Speaker 3: would guess don't know this or fact, but I guess
17:28
Speaker 3: it was weeks ago. Had to be very you would
17:30
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17:34
Speaker 3: As I set this up earlier, maybe they told him
17:36
Speaker 3: to think about it, don't you know. Just take a
17:38
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17:42
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17:44
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17:47
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Speaker 1: But you are right, though, that this was a discussion
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21:11
Speaker 1: you could already tell that Vic has been talking or
21:14
Speaker 1: feeling a certain way about it and telling his players
21:17
Speaker 1: he'll retire when he just doesn't, you know, when it's
21:20
Speaker 1: not fun for him anymore, when it's not motivating.
21:22
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that that's good that you said that.
21:23
Speaker 3: I didn't even know that good.
21:24
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was an interesting conversation. Okay, So all right,
21:29
Speaker 1: let's get into Manion. Really interesting. I don't know if
21:31
Speaker 1: you've seen it. There is a it was a good
21:33
Speaker 1: video circulating of it. Must have been maybe his introductory
21:37
Speaker 1: press conference as a quarterbacks coach. You know how like
21:40
Speaker 1: every team makes their patient available and he had, you know,
21:45
Speaker 1: it's like a five to eight minute video. He was explaining,
21:47
Speaker 1: you know how he felt a lot like what we said.
21:50
Speaker 1: All the coaches that he's played for, who are.
21:52
Speaker 2: Considered great play callers. And he used a really interesting word.
21:55
Speaker 1: He said that in his last few years of playing,
21:58
Speaker 1: he was really already thinking of going into coaching, and
22:02
Speaker 1: he was using his playing career to weaponize how he
22:05
Speaker 1: be a coach and his way of getting into coaching,
22:08
Speaker 1: which I interpreted it to mean like he was really studying.
22:12
Speaker 2: He wasn't just playing quarterback.
22:13
Speaker 1: He was really studying how these coaches that he was
22:16
Speaker 1: playing for were using their schemes right and what they're
22:20
Speaker 1: doing to eventually do the same when he became a coach.
22:25
Speaker 1: And then there was also some video from when he
22:27
Speaker 1: was the coach at the East West Shrine game a
22:30
Speaker 1: couple of years ago and some people breaking down the offenses,
22:34
Speaker 1: and it was what a lot of what we talked about.
22:36
Speaker 1: The practice tape that was shown was under center wide
22:40
Speaker 1: zone running good, you know levels concepts in the passing
22:45
Speaker 1: game where you're getting your scheming people open. So it
22:48
Speaker 1: was it's really like kind of the only only evidence
22:51
Speaker 1: he might have of what he might bring.
22:54
Speaker 2: To the Eagles as an offensive coordinator.
22:58
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's it's his zone scheme. I mean, you
23:00
Speaker 3: look at his entire career in Or West Coast offense.
23:02
Speaker 3: It's it's now does he take most from McVeigh, which
23:08
Speaker 3: most people think.
23:10
Speaker 1: See, I always thought he'd I would think he'd take
23:11
Speaker 1: more from the Floor just because that's where he.
23:16
Speaker 3: Right. But here's the thing. The Floor does not use
23:18
Speaker 3: a fullback like Shanahan, right, So that that's what.
23:22
Speaker 2: Doesn't either McVeigh doesn't use one either.
23:24
Speaker 3: No, no, that's my point. Now again, he started his
23:27
Speaker 3: career with McVeigh, and you talk about his playing career,
23:31
Speaker 3: but then what he does is the Floor doesn't The
23:34
Speaker 3: Floor and Shanahan don't see it completely the same. We've
23:36
Speaker 3: we've talked about this for many years. Yes, whether it's offensive,
23:40
Speaker 3: defensive side of the football. The Disciples don't see this,
23:43
Speaker 3: even if they're not from that, they're out of the
23:45
Speaker 3: West Coast street. But they they may have coached or
23:49
Speaker 3: they may have played under one guy. But then what
23:51
Speaker 3: happens is on your point, playing for the floor, excuse me,
23:54
Speaker 3: coaching for the floor. He might take he was McVeigh.
24:00
Speaker 3: Oh see at one point, No, I'm playing coloc okay,
24:03
Speaker 3: so he takes Sean stuff. But then they of course
24:04
Speaker 3: work with Shanahan with Washington, you know, not we're talking
24:10
Speaker 3: about my Matt Lafleur and McVeigh. It's just interesting. But yeah,
24:15
Speaker 3: it But then see he's got Kevin O'Connell, which is
24:19
Speaker 3: from the McVeagh tree.
24:20
Speaker 2: Right, But yeah, and he's not he don't see.
24:22
Speaker 1: So he played for O'Connell, and he played for Udinsky
24:26
Speaker 1: as an offensive coordinator in what Seattle?
24:29
Speaker 2: Right?
24:30
Speaker 3: And he played with and Seattle.
24:33
Speaker 1: No where where when he played for Yudinsky? Where was Ysky?
24:37
Speaker 3: Was Minnesota?
24:38
Speaker 1: Most likely Minnesota? Yeah, you're I'm sorry, I'm at Minnesota.
24:41
Speaker 1: I think that that most of the coaches he's played
24:43
Speaker 1: for are more McVeigh than Shanahan. I'm not yes, exactly right, Yeah,
24:48
Speaker 1: so I agree with you. I'm not sure a fullback
24:51
Speaker 1: is going to be a part of the offense. We'll
24:53
Speaker 1: have to see.
24:54
Speaker 3: But however, however, there's one quagmire here. Don't forget who
25:01
Speaker 3: is oh c is Josh Gizzard? What tree does he
25:03
Speaker 3: come from?
25:04
Speaker 2: Gizzard also comes from the McVeigh tree, does he not?
25:06
Speaker 3: Well?
25:07
Speaker 1: No, here's Cohen and Liam Cohen came from the mc Yes.
25:11
Speaker 3: But but if you look at Josh Gizzard's background.
25:16
Speaker 2: Mm hmm I Mike McDaniel, Yeah, yes, that's why you that's.
25:22
Speaker 3: The that's the ranch. I think this is great. I'm
25:26
Speaker 3: just hoping that he even though he seems like to
25:27
Speaker 3: be McVeigh guy from all the evidence, the fact that
25:32
Speaker 3: they brought Grizzard in, who's also it's only like a
25:34
Speaker 3: year or two older than this guy. Then Sean Mannion
25:37
Speaker 3: m hm. I know it's West Coast, so that they
25:39
Speaker 3: speak the same language. That helps. But I love that
25:42
Speaker 3: he that Gizzard potentially because he was actually he was
25:46
Speaker 3: in Miami before McDaniel got there and then McDaniel kept him.
25:49
Speaker 3: But he's with McDaniel for a while, uh for I
25:54
Speaker 3: guess what like two or two or three years, so
25:57
Speaker 3: he's got McDaniel stuff there. So it's kind of cool
26:00
Speaker 3: they could bring all these concepts in who knows. I mean,
26:02
Speaker 3: it's it's as we've learned through this trek, through trying
26:07
Speaker 3: to evaluate what how legitimate what we see in OTAs
26:10
Speaker 3: and training camp is, particularly when we saw John Drey
26:14
Speaker 3: Swift catch so many footballs and he didn't in the
26:16
Speaker 3: regular season, so we could be fold We get that
26:19
Speaker 3: we've all been fooled, but it just on the surface
26:22
Speaker 3: what they could potentially bring in play action, by the way,
26:24
Speaker 3: is big, big in Green Bay, big in in LA.
26:30
Speaker 3: With McVeigh, you could you could bet that the house
26:33
Speaker 3: is going to be now but and more under center. Now,
26:35
Speaker 3: we don't do percentages on the show ever, there's no
26:37
Speaker 3: way to know this, but it's all it's going to
26:40
Speaker 3: be on the plate, like it has to be on
26:41
Speaker 3: the plates.
26:43
Speaker 2: Yeah, it a offense.
26:45
Speaker 3: I agree, right exactly undred percent. Now, now if we
26:50
Speaker 3: get the Kellimore week two of twenty twenty four treatment,
26:53
Speaker 3: when it starts to yeah, regress, looks like you have
26:59
Speaker 3: to just you do what you have to do to win.
27:00
Speaker 3: You start changing things because your quarterbacks not playing well.
27:02
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing it so speak yep, but I'm just
27:06
Speaker 3: I'm to the point, man, this could be so cool.
27:09
Speaker 3: It could be so cool. And I'm gonna say this again, folks,
27:11
Speaker 3: be very wary of the reporters. You're going to OTAs
27:15
Speaker 3: and criticizing what it looks like they're installing a new offense. Okay, relax,
27:20
Speaker 3: it's if it looks good. It's a miracle. It's a
27:23
Speaker 3: truly time based offense. It could be really cool as hell.
27:28
Speaker 3: We don't know what's gonna happen in the regular season. Hell,
27:30
Speaker 3: we don't know what's gonna happen in training camp, what
27:31
Speaker 3: it's gonna look like. Yep, we have a general idea
27:34
Speaker 3: what conceptually this should look like. But just relax. If
27:37
Speaker 3: there's stuff's out there that's negative. Again, hurts it hurts.
27:40
Speaker 3: McAfee's still here. Uh, the wide receivers stout, the online coach,
27:47
Speaker 3: this is gonna be different for him. Everybody. You're just
27:50
Speaker 3: you're not running the Nick Syrian offense anymore. That's not happening.
27:54
Speaker 1: There should be three major things we just talked to
27:56
Speaker 1: under center, play action, pre snap motion, those three things,
28:00
Speaker 1: And you're right. I think when you're installing a new
28:04
Speaker 1: offense week one, you may not see all three. I mean,
28:07
Speaker 1: it might have to be a little bit of an
28:09
Speaker 1: acclamation process and it may.
28:10
Speaker 2: Not be like that's their eighty.
28:12
Speaker 1: I think you're great to say, let's not get into
28:14
Speaker 1: percentages because I know right now people are looking at
28:18
Speaker 1: the percentages of under center and the percentages of play
28:21
Speaker 1: action used by Green Bay by la. Listen, you gotta
28:24
Speaker 1: crawl before you walk. You can't just you got to
28:27
Speaker 1: earn that identity before it is your identity.
28:29
Speaker 3: Not only that, but right on that point you just made.
28:32
Speaker 3: They also want to get through OgH and see the
28:34
Speaker 3: absorption process of your quarterbacks. Right, Okay, are they getting it?
28:39
Speaker 3: Are they feeling it? Are they understanding it? You have
28:41
Speaker 3: to slow things down, right, you just you can't. You
28:43
Speaker 3: can't skip steps. That's just but the whole thing could
28:47
Speaker 3: be beautiful. What what was the other one that I?
28:50
Speaker 4: Oh?
28:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh this is now. This is important because up
28:53
Speaker 3: until this past season, McVeigh was mister eleven personnel. Nobody
28:56
Speaker 3: ran more eleven than than McVeigh, and then he shot
29:00
Speaker 3: Cosell tout us on inside the tape. You're not going
29:02
Speaker 3: to believe this. Of all coaches, Sean McVay ran more
29:06
Speaker 3: thirteen personnel than any teams, like over six weeks now,
29:10
Speaker 3: granted he had four. They drafted Terrence Ferguson. Higbee has
29:14
Speaker 3: always been talented and hurt a lot, but it is
29:16
Speaker 3: very talented. It's uh.
29:18
Speaker 2: Parkinson came through, call me Parkinson.
29:21
Speaker 3: Unbelieved what he started doing. What the hell did this
29:24
Speaker 3: guy come from? No idea and the other kid the
29:26
Speaker 3: last names Davis, I can't think maybe his first names Day,
29:28
Speaker 3: I can't remember that guy guy, Yeah, I can't remember.
29:30
Speaker 3: They were loaded a tenant, So that makes sense. And listen,
29:33
Speaker 3: you coached by your personnel that you're given. If you
29:35
Speaker 3: don't feel good about your third receiver, the only one
29:38
Speaker 3: that fooled me. And you brought this up when Schottenheimer
29:42
Speaker 3: re used Don David Moore as a third Do you
29:45
Speaker 3: remember that, because because you you remember that, and I'm like,
29:48
Speaker 3: he forced it. And by the way, he was right
29:51
Speaker 3: because Russell Wilson went off until Pete Carrol micro managed Schottenheimer. Yep,
29:56
Speaker 3: it was one of the all time mismanaged micro managing
29:59
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. It's yeah, in twenty twenty. Well, look, I.
30:03
Speaker 1: Mean, I think to your point the fact that he
30:05
Speaker 1: had three tight ends and this will be interesting for
30:08
Speaker 1: the Eagles to see how they remake their tight end group.
30:11
Speaker 1: He had three tight ends that could catch the ball
30:13
Speaker 1: and a couple of them can block pretty well. So
30:15
Speaker 1: now you're able to dictate more offensively what you want
30:19
Speaker 1: to do. You can put these tight ends on the field,
30:21
Speaker 1: and if the defense responds in base, now you have
30:24
Speaker 1: you can run because you got a lot of tight
30:25
Speaker 1: ends on the field. And certainly the Rams ran the
30:28
Speaker 1: ball really well with Kyram Williams. But then they can
30:30
Speaker 1: also play action really well and use those tight ends
30:33
Speaker 1: mismatched against base personnel.
30:35
Speaker 2: That is how you dictate. I think that's where the
30:37
Speaker 2: NFL is going anyway. You know, the defense is caught
30:39
Speaker 2: up the end.
30:40
Speaker 1: Now the offense is trying to figure out ways to
30:43
Speaker 1: re establish matchups by almost going back to the old
30:46
Speaker 1: way of doing it, which is get under center, put
30:49
Speaker 1: more tight ends on the field who can this time
30:51
Speaker 1: catch and block and then force the defense into some
30:54
Speaker 1: guesswork about whether you're gonna run or you're gonna pass
30:57
Speaker 1: out of that personnel. And that's that's the whole game.
31:00
Speaker 1: Making the defense wonder what you're doing. The Eagles didn't
31:02
Speaker 1: make anybody wonder what they were doing last year when
31:05
Speaker 1: they were running or passing.
31:07
Speaker 2: That's just the truth.
31:08
Speaker 3: That's rough. I know, it's true. No, hell, it's incredible
31:11
Speaker 3: in terms of what the SIN could look like. David
31:14
Speaker 3: Allen was that tight end I was talking about It
31:15
Speaker 3: was crazy, But the Kolbe Parkinson thing, it was basically
31:19
Speaker 3: a Y tight end. Why means inline folks who don't know,
31:22
Speaker 3: and and Higby plays the FN who plays the Y
31:25
Speaker 3: for the Rams. Higby's really good. He was a big
31:27
Speaker 3: time athlete Western Kentucky. And this is the time that
31:32
Speaker 3: McVeigh when when when McVeigh had him early in his career,
31:35
Speaker 3: they just other than when he when he scored three
31:38
Speaker 3: touchdowns against the Eagles in the COVID year.
31:41
Speaker 2: Yes he did, that's right, but he believed.
31:44
Speaker 3: As one of the coaches for the Rams told me
31:46
Speaker 3: many years ago, we just see Sean sees them as blockers,
31:49
Speaker 3: not really past catchers, Like, but how do you do
31:52
Speaker 3: that with Higby? And then he almost traded in Minnesota.
31:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that just shows you how good an adaptable
31:57
Speaker 2: McVeigh is.
31:58
Speaker 3: So he's unreal, really really good.
32:01
Speaker 2: All right.
32:01
Speaker 1: Oh, last thing we should talk about, obviously, is that
32:04
Speaker 1: they're and I think we discussed when on the Manyan
32:07
Speaker 1: Emergency Pod.
32:08
Speaker 2: Don't be surprised if Manyon is given.
32:11
Speaker 1: Some leniency to bring some some of his own guys in.
32:15
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're we talked about this when Vic
32:17
Speaker 1: Fangio became your defensive coordinator. What the Eagles needed most
32:21
Speaker 1: besides having Vic was somebody who then could trickle down
32:25
Speaker 1: that message from Vic to the players, coaches who coached
32:28
Speaker 1: with us uh with Vic, and how important that message
32:31
Speaker 1: was because it was not being received well back when it.
32:34
Speaker 2: Was DECI slash for Tricia.
32:36
Speaker 1: So if Grizzard and if Manyon need to get their
32:40
Speaker 1: messaging on how they want to do things offensively trickle
32:43
Speaker 1: down well the players, it would behoove them to find
32:46
Speaker 1: some coaches that that are like minded, which means there
32:49
Speaker 1: could be replacements.
32:51
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, I would expect. There's almost certain to be
32:53
Speaker 3: a change on offense because the staff because they're they're
32:56
Speaker 3: You've got a new offenseve coordinator, right, Kellen Moore brought
33:00
Speaker 3: and his guy, Doug Nussmer. Now what we don't know.
33:01
Speaker 3: We don't know. This is Man's only coach two years,
33:05
Speaker 3: so I don't know who his guys are. We'll find
33:07
Speaker 3: out this week, I'm sure. But it's uh, it's interesting
33:11
Speaker 3: because again it's like, okay, I'm sure during his time
33:17
Speaker 3: with the Rams, the Vikings, the Seahawks, and then of
33:21
Speaker 3: course in coaching with the Packers is two years, he
33:25
Speaker 3: met people along the way, and that's what you do.
33:27
Speaker 3: You bring in guys that you know along the way
33:29
Speaker 3: to trust. Now, they badly badly needed what's called an
33:33
Speaker 3: soa senior offensive assistant, and the head coach needs one
33:37
Speaker 3: in the worst way. Now, as we reported last week, Patulo,
33:40
Speaker 3: if he stays, they've offer him an opportunity to stay,
33:43
Speaker 3: it would be it would be more to help Nick
33:45
Speaker 3: just manage stuff like he was doing when he's past
33:48
Speaker 3: game coordinator. Also, part of his job was more of
33:52
Speaker 3: administrative as I'm told on that situation. But the bottom
33:56
Speaker 3: line is, man, they need someone to help Nick, and
33:58
Speaker 3: they also need these two young coaches. If they need
34:03
Speaker 3: you're you're on the right t record that they have.
34:05
Speaker 3: They really need to get Howie Nick have to help
34:08
Speaker 3: these guys. Yep, and and and and we don't want
34:11
Speaker 3: the excuse where Nick sit are for the buffalockain. Well,
34:13
Speaker 3: you know, it's kind of hard when I'm trying to
34:15
Speaker 3: because when he said he had hot he had to
34:17
Speaker 3: hire help Kevin. Then he goes, well when someone else
34:20
Speaker 3: filed up, Well, but you know what, I also have
34:22
Speaker 3: to coach the game. Well yeah, dude, that's why you
34:24
Speaker 3: should have hired a scial offensive asistance who can help
34:25
Speaker 3: you situationally, help with other things that are going on
34:28
Speaker 3: in the game. Selm, if they could get it done.
34:31
Speaker 3: He's a head coaching play caller.
34:32
Speaker 1: Come on, yes, yes, By the way, is that the
34:34
Speaker 1: Buffalo game that Nick went into the tunnel beating his
34:37
Speaker 1: chest about winning while everybody else was looking around, like, man,
34:40
Speaker 1: we just.
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Speaker 3: That would be the one.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be the game. That would be the game.
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Speaker 2: All right, hey real quick, just wanted to run this
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Speaker 2: by you.
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Speaker 1: But if the NFL is finally done hiring coaches ten
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Speaker 1: new head coaches, Adham and I have two takeaways from
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Speaker 1: this one. Uh, the Rooney Rule continues to film miserably
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Speaker 1: and has not helped black coaches at all good head jobs.
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Speaker 1: And number two, if you look at the names, the
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Speaker 1: only one of the ten that I think what my
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Speaker 1: thing is. I don't think people will look at the
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Speaker 1: Eagles and learn from them, Like as far as taking chances,
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Speaker 1: giving an opportunity guy who's not an obvious hot coordinator
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Speaker 1: or a retread Mike Lafleur, I think of the ten coaches,
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Speaker 1: is the only one who is a non play calling
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Speaker 1: coordinator to get a job. He's gonna be the Arizona
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Speaker 1: Cardinals head coach.
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Speaker 3: Right. Everybody else is.
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Speaker 1: Either the hot play calling coordinator like your Minter or
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Speaker 1: your Kubiak, or the retread like Mike McCarthy or even
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Speaker 1: John Harbaugh. But It's amazing because you think about guys
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Speaker 1: like Andy Reid, right quarterbacks coach no experience, winds up
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Speaker 1: being a great coach. Nick Sirianni was not a play
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Speaker 1: calling Oh see, he's five for five, two super Bowls,
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Speaker 1: one ring. Mike Tomlin was a defensive coordinator for one year,
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Speaker 1: man one year, and they were six and ten when
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Speaker 1: that the Vikings.
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Speaker 3: By the way, he was so far down the Steelers list,
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Speaker 3: it was gonna those us who put information out we
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Speaker 3: were all wrong. You're you're truly included. We were. We
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Speaker 3: were told it was gonna be Russ Grim legendary, it
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Speaker 3: was going to be and then I just I remember
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Speaker 3: like I felt obvious, humiliated. I was like yeah really yeah.
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Speaker 3: I still to this day, I don't know what happened.
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Speaker 3: It reminded me of Charles Bentley when it was just
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Speaker 3: to be an Eagle and he wasn't remember because when
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Speaker 3: we woke up, I mean, those of us whore working
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Speaker 3: on the story whatever year was, Oh a don't I
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Speaker 3: don't know where Yeah, Kim the head coach, it was
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Speaker 3: like a fat of conflict. He's getting the job. Russ Grim.
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Speaker 3: Then Tomlin, who was kind of an afterthought, he and
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Speaker 3: it was obviously a great choice. But it's just, uh,
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Speaker 3: it's funny how things work out, man. You It's like
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Speaker 3: with I mean, you could have pushed me over with
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Speaker 3: a feather. The Church didn't get the job. A lot
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Speaker 3: of us who knew what was going on Cleveland, and
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Speaker 3: we were like, Okay, Schwartzy's getting the job. Then he didn't.
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Speaker 3: Todd Monkin got it, and then of course that had
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Speaker 3: the domino of the giants. Harp's not getting his guide
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Speaker 3: monk mm hm. And they're still as we speak here, Uh,
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Speaker 3: they're looking at like four to six candidates, if not more.
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Speaker 3: That one might drag out a little bit yep, but anyway, it's, uh,
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Speaker 3: this coaching thing is unbelievable, like just such.
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Speaker 1: A lack of vision though, I mean John Harble, no,
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Speaker 1: like John Harbo was a special teams coordinator. No one
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Speaker 1: wants to give Darren Reezie a shot, no matter how
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Speaker 1: much we hear that, Yeah, nobody.
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Speaker 3: Gives interviews Dave Rizzi and toe h Rich that the Packers, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: he is phenomenal, Rich Bassacia. The Raiders blow it by
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Speaker 3: not having by him not being the head coach.
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Speaker 1: That was dumb, right, And again Steelhouse was gonna get
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Speaker 1: a I mean, he got enough looks, but he didn't
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Speaker 1: give a job.
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Speaker 3: But Seelhouse. You know what, though, here's what we don't know.
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Speaker 3: Did he look at the landscape and say, you know what?
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Speaker 2: Uh uh, it's possible. That's true to me.
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Speaker 3: You don't know what's going inside of guy's head.
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Speaker 2: Yep.
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Speaker 3: Could like Clint Koby, all the juice he's got right
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Speaker 3: now now. But you also can't tell someone who's gonna
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Speaker 3: make a minimum of seven million. Probably it's gonna be
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Speaker 3: way more than that, I'm sure, But I believe the
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Speaker 3: lowest hate head paid head coach in the NFL's around
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Speaker 3: seven or eight million, right, and you're you're approaching you're
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Speaker 3: approaching Pete Carrol it is Heyday probably fifty million or more.
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Speaker 3: Ben Johnson around fifteen million. It's all about leverage and
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Speaker 3: tenure and all that stuff. How many people are after you.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's been a very wild coaching search.
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Speaker 2: YEP. I just feel like nobody learns.
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Speaker 1: Nobody learns from the true success stories in the NFL
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Speaker 1: that you don't have to hire the re tread or
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Speaker 1: the play caller. Like there's good coaches out there if
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Speaker 1: you just give them a shot, like if you hear
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Speaker 1: them out and don't be afraid to pull the trigger.
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Speaker 1: The Eagles aren't, the Ravens aren't. The Steelers haven't been.
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Speaker 1: Other teams too. I'm even the Florida the Packers.
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Speaker 4: Right.
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Speaker 2: The floor was an offensive coordinator for the Titans for
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Speaker 2: one year.
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Speaker 3: One year, and to be honest with you, it didn't
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Speaker 3: go very well for.
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Speaker 2: Him the Titans. Yeah, I remember that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll give it one.
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Speaker 2: I'll want up.
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Speaker 3: Be you ready for this one?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: This is hard to believe. I'm not going to look
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Speaker 3: it up because I was told fifty times, but I
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Speaker 3: don't know how many people that this is. This is,
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Speaker 3: you know, people who would know. So two thousand and five,
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Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy was the forty nine ers OC I believe
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Speaker 3: the thirty second ranked passing game. I'm not going to
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Speaker 3: look it up right now. I don't wow. And the
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Speaker 3: late great Ted Thompson, who was alive, man, I give
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Speaker 3: him credit. It's just unbelievabcause the criticism. How could you
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Speaker 3: hire this idiot? Remember that there's no contact. Alex Smith
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Speaker 3: was the quarterback? Was Rogers here and Alex Smith here?
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Speaker 3: Come on, man, you do some homework. It was, it was,
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Speaker 3: it was five, and it was un like I In fact,
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Speaker 3: I know where I was when it happened. I was
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Speaker 3: at NFL Films watching tape with Cosell and Jaws and
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Speaker 3: we were like, wow, Mike McCarthy, they weren't very good,
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Speaker 3: the Niners. That's ballsy, but hey, good job. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I just wanted to make that point and that's
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Speaker 2: going to do it.
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