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- 0:14Speaker 1: Hey, great morning too you. It's our nine o'clock hour
- 0:16Speaker 1: here on a Tuesday, Ashley Ryan, I see her. My
- 0:18Speaker 1: name is Chuck Powell. We've got our Seahawks one series
- 0:21Speaker 1: recap cutting your way at nine thirty today, and of
- 0:23Speaker 1: course we close out the show with one last thing.
- 0:25Speaker 1: Spencer aw is going to be joining us. A lot
- 0:27Speaker 1: of NBA things to discuss. You know, I made a
- 0:29Speaker 1: big deal out of June first being trade season, and
- 0:32Speaker 1: it wasn't just because I find that June first is
- 0:35Speaker 1: the first day that you can realistically start talking about
- 0:39Speaker 1: baseball trades and start looking ahead to the trade deadline.
- 0:42Speaker 1: I know that that's not a law out there. It's
- 0:45Speaker 1: just a rule that I passed for myself, you know,
- 0:47Speaker 1: self restraint and all. So June first, I always tab
- 0:52Speaker 1: as trade season begins. But it's not just for baseball.
- 0:55Speaker 1: I mean, my goodness. I mean there is a chance
- 0:58Speaker 1: that there's a rumor out there right now that Connor Hallibuck,
- 1:02Speaker 1: the outstanding goaltender, might be the best goaltender in the world.
- 1:06Speaker 1: It's going to be traded. He's going to be moved
- 1:09Speaker 1: this offseason. And then you got Miles Garrett was traded
- 1:15Speaker 1: the best pass rusher in the world, so arguably the
- 1:17Speaker 1: best goaltender, the best pass rusher. And then we have
- 1:20Speaker 1: Giannis traded last night. I mean that's already some We
- 1:23Speaker 1: get Trek Scougle traded here before the month of July,
- 1:27Speaker 1: and then you better believe it'll be etched in stone
- 1:29Speaker 1: trade season June first every year from this point forward,
- 1:33Speaker 1: because it seems like everybody uses this month now to
- 1:36Speaker 1: make some blockbuster trades. It used to be about the
- 1:38Speaker 1: winter meetings, right now it's about the month of June.
- 1:41Speaker 1: It is trade season.
- 1:43Speaker 2: Loving it glorious.
- 1:45Speaker 1: I think it's glorious joining us now to talk about
- 1:47Speaker 1: the honest trade and other things NBA related. And here
- 1:52Speaker 1: we were going to give him a little time off
- 1:54Speaker 1: from us, but we just missed him so dang much.
- 1:57Speaker 1: Spencer Hawes Seattle Hoops Led joins us here on Chuck
- 2:02Speaker 1: and Buck in the morning. Hello, So.
- 2:05Speaker 3: Good morning last night.
- 2:07Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Are you like in a tunnel or
- 2:09Speaker 1: you're in a tunnel? Sounded like you're on the beach.
- 2:11Speaker 1: That would be a lot better if you were on
- 2:13Speaker 1: a beach rather than in a tunnel. Tunnel. Tunnels don't
- 2:16Speaker 1: sound like great vacation destination.
- 2:18Speaker 3: Spencer now, but we're close to home.
- 2:22Speaker 1: All right? Fair enough? Uh yeah, big trade last night?
- 2:26Speaker 1: What did you think of it? You're honest to the
- 2:28Speaker 1: Miami Heat.
- 2:31Speaker 3: Uh, I was. I was shocked. I mean, it's been
- 2:34Speaker 3: the rumor for so long, and when pat Riley wants
- 2:37Speaker 3: his wants his superstar, he usually gets him. But I
- 2:40Speaker 3: was shocked at the final kind of haul. I guess
- 2:45Speaker 3: the easiest way to put it that the Bucks ended
- 2:48Speaker 3: up getting back for him. I thought everything I was
- 2:50Speaker 3: hearing it was looking like it was going to be
- 2:52Speaker 3: more of a three three team trade that God had done,
- 2:55Speaker 3: and the talent was going to be a little more dispersed.
- 2:58Speaker 3: But I mean, if you're the Bucks, I feel like
- 3:03Speaker 3: you've probably been preparing yourself for this for a while.
- 3:05Speaker 3: You've known it's coming, You've got the ties to the
- 3:09Speaker 3: fact that he's leaving, and then you look at what
- 3:11Speaker 3: they got back and the current capital of talent and
- 3:15Speaker 3: then the future draft capital. I would say you got
- 3:18Speaker 3: to be feeling pretty good about how it ended up
- 3:21Speaker 3: for you, giving up best player arguably and certainly in
- 3:25Speaker 3: your modern franchise history. And then if you're the Miami Heat,
- 3:31Speaker 3: you got your top five MVP candidate, generational superstar again
- 3:35Speaker 3: down on South Beach.
- 3:36Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I like it for both teams.
- 3:40Speaker 1: In the package was Tyler Harrow Khalil where Haimi Hakkez Junior,
- 3:45Speaker 1: Casparis Yaka Shunas, which I should know how to pronounce
- 3:49Speaker 1: that he was an Illinois guy. Three first round picks,
- 3:52Speaker 1: a pick swap, and a second round pick. I thought
- 3:54Speaker 1: Milwaukee made out pretty well considering how tarnished that relation
- 4:00Speaker 1: ship had become between Yannis and the Bucks and how
- 4:03Speaker 1: bad the Bucks were frankly, I mean they needed to rebuild,
- 4:07Speaker 1: they were at that stage. And yet whenever you get
- 4:10Speaker 1: a top ten player in your organization, I mean, you
- 4:15Speaker 1: don't pass on it if you're Miami. So I'm with you.
- 4:18Speaker 1: I thought both teams came away looking great on this trade.
- 4:23Speaker 1: What do you see Janis having left? He's had a
- 4:25Speaker 1: lot of injuries in the last couple of years. But
- 4:27Speaker 1: if you're going to give up this monch, you better
- 4:30Speaker 1: be getting peak Yannis. Does he still have that to
- 4:33Speaker 1: offer now and going forward?
- 4:36Speaker 3: I think he does. I think it's still even even
- 4:40Speaker 3: if you're operating under that assumption. I think it's still
- 4:45Speaker 3: you're kind of and I haven't had a chance to
- 4:47Speaker 3: really break down the heat salary cap or put what's
- 4:51Speaker 3: left on the coboard of their roster, but it just
- 4:54Speaker 3: still seems to me like that you're You're still not
- 4:59Speaker 3: they talent wise to say, all right, now we're a
- 5:02Speaker 3: contender in the East. I think what you have to
- 5:05Speaker 3: hope if you're them, is that he's going to have
- 5:08Speaker 3: that magnet that's going to draw, whether it's a free
- 5:10Speaker 3: agent or kind of an aging veteran that maybe leaves
- 5:14Speaker 3: some money on the table to not you know, to
- 5:17Speaker 3: go to South Beach and try and win and not
- 5:18Speaker 3: pay the taxes. But I still think he's got a
- 5:23Speaker 3: lot in the tank. And even given that, it just
- 5:25Speaker 3: it seems like quite an expensive price tag for a
- 5:30Speaker 3: guy that all but demanded the trade. He never came
- 5:33Speaker 3: out like guys that may have done in the past.
- 5:35Speaker 3: But you think that in those scenarios it sinks the
- 5:38Speaker 3: leverage if you're the hometown team with the player that's disgruntled,
- 5:43Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, it didn't seem
- 5:45Speaker 3: to do that.
- 5:46Speaker 1: Spencer OLiS is with us stalking some NBA after the
- 5:49Speaker 1: big Giannis trade There's another huge aspect to this, and
- 5:53Speaker 1: that's that the Boston Celtics didn't get him, and yet
- 5:56Speaker 1: they made it public that they were dangling Jaden Jalen
- 6:00Speaker 1: Brown in order to get him. Richard Jefferson, And I
- 6:04Speaker 1: don't know how well you know Richard Jefferson. He said
- 6:06Speaker 1: last night that a basketball player should feel flattered that
- 6:10Speaker 1: he was involved in trade conversations that in that were
- 6:15Speaker 1: in regards to somebody of Giannie's caliber. Everybody else I've
- 6:20Speaker 1: heard says that he should be insulted. And and this
- 6:24Speaker 1: is going to cause the final you know, breaking the
- 6:27Speaker 1: damn and the relationship between the Celtics and and Jalen Brown. Uh,
- 6:32Speaker 1: you know what it's like to be an NBA player,
- 6:35Speaker 1: you know what it's like to be surrounded by a
- 6:38Speaker 1: superstar or two. How do you think Jalen Brown is
- 6:41Speaker 1: handling this? How should he handle this?
- 6:45Speaker 3: Well? Yeah, you should be flattered, but that's not how
- 6:47Speaker 3: human nature works, and certainly human nature when when you're
- 6:51Speaker 3: when you're dealing with guys, Uh, with his level of
- 6:55Speaker 3: success and and his level of ego. He's got as
- 6:58Speaker 3: many finals MVPs as Giannis has. And I do think
- 7:02Speaker 3: that while it didn't happen yesterday. I would tend to
- 7:07Speaker 3: agree that this is probably closer to the end than
- 7:10Speaker 3: not for his tenure in Boston. And I don't you know,
- 7:17Speaker 3: I think this is kind of the the straw that
- 7:20Speaker 3: broke the camel's back, you know, in terms of trades.
- 7:23Speaker 3: And obviously it's draft time and it's always an exciting
- 7:27Speaker 3: time of year when you have trade or you have
- 7:29Speaker 3: the draft, and then free agency and the trades start
- 7:32Speaker 3: going off. So I wouldn't be surprised to see his
- 7:35Speaker 3: name being at the top of the the top of
- 7:39Speaker 3: the sheet going forward. And you know, there's still all
- 7:42Speaker 3: those partners that were rumored in the Yannis trade that
- 7:45Speaker 3: obviously have interested in him. I think every team in
- 7:47Speaker 3: the league would have interest in a player like Jalen Brown,
- 7:49Speaker 3: and I would not expect him to be suiting up
- 7:53Speaker 3: for Boston starting next year.
- 7:54Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm with you on that as well. Let's
- 7:57Speaker 1: talk about the draft tonight, and we'll start with the
- 8:01Speaker 1: local guy. Hans Steinbach. Could be a first round selection,
- 8:06Speaker 1: should be a first round selection, could be a lottery
- 8:09Speaker 1: pick before all is said and done. I don't know
- 8:12Speaker 1: how well you know him, but I'm sure you have
- 8:14Speaker 1: evaluated his game. What kind of an NBA player is
- 8:17Speaker 1: he going to be?
- 8:20Speaker 3: I think he's going to be a good NBA player.
- 8:22Speaker 3: I think his floor is a long, productive career in
- 8:26Speaker 3: the league. I think his ceiling, if he can figure
- 8:30Speaker 3: out more consistency with the jump shot, is much higher
- 8:32Speaker 3: than that. But I think based on what I saw
- 8:36Speaker 3: and heard talking to people after the combine, he measured
- 8:39Speaker 3: well wingspan height, I think a little better than people expected.
- 8:43Speaker 3: And then he jumped well. Obviously, you watch five minutes
- 8:47Speaker 3: of tape on him as an athlete, and he's pretty fluid,
- 8:51Speaker 3: you know, top percentile for damn near seven footers. So
- 8:55Speaker 3: I think he's solidified himself, probably six at the lowest,
- 9:01Speaker 3: and with the potential to move up higher in a
- 9:04Speaker 3: guard heavy draft for a team that needs little size
- 9:07Speaker 3: and rebounding.
- 9:08Speaker 1: All right, Well, if you could choose for him, let's
- 9:11Speaker 1: say I'm going to go eleven to sixteen, Warriors, eleven,
- 9:14Speaker 1: thunder twelve. I know you want him to play there, thirteen,
- 9:18Speaker 1: Now the Bucks fourteen, the Hornets fifteen, the Bulls sixteen,
- 9:22Speaker 1: the Grizzlies. Where would you for his growth and development
- 9:26Speaker 1: like to see him land?
- 9:29Speaker 3: I think the Warriors are a very intriguing opportunity the
- 9:33Speaker 3: way they play and the way that they use their
- 9:35Speaker 3: bigs as hubs. I think that would really fit his
- 9:39Speaker 3: skill set and his ability to pass and playoff tempo
- 9:42Speaker 3: in the open court, and the opportunities that he would
- 9:45Speaker 3: get with the gravity of playing with someone like Steph
- 9:48Speaker 3: Curry would definitely make things easier for him. It seems
- 9:51Speaker 3: like they've been looking for a center for as long
- 9:54Speaker 3: as I can remember, and the Thunder, as much as
- 9:58Speaker 3: it pains me to say it, have a little salary
- 10:00Speaker 3: cap issue with Hartenstein, I think I think sliding him
- 10:05Speaker 3: in there next to a guy like Chat who provides
- 10:08Speaker 3: some rim protection if you're playing two bigs, which they've
- 10:12Speaker 3: shown that they don't mind doing, especially in the playoffs.
- 10:14Speaker 3: So I would say those two stand out probably as
- 10:18Speaker 3: the best fit. And you know, not coincidentally, two teams
- 10:21Speaker 3: that are trying to win as opposed to you know,
- 10:25Speaker 3: when you get in the lottery, that's not everybody's motivation.
- 10:27Speaker 1: Yeah, fair, fair, Spencer Owis is with us big day
- 10:30Speaker 1: in the NBA. It's the draft tonight. Who do you
- 10:33Speaker 1: think should go number one overall?
- 10:37Speaker 3: Man? I switched my opinion, but it was by the weak.
- 10:42Speaker 3: Then you get close. It's by the day. Now I'm
- 10:44Speaker 3: doing it by the minute. I still think aj Die
- 10:49Speaker 3: Bonsa is probably the most quintessential is not the right
- 10:55Speaker 3: word for it, but maybe prototypical number one pick type
- 10:59Speaker 3: of profile. But you know Peterson, you get more excited
- 11:04Speaker 3: about his high school stuff probably than what you saw
- 11:07Speaker 3: at Kansas boozer. You know what he's giving you night
- 11:10Speaker 3: in and night out. If you were an inch or
- 11:12Speaker 3: two taller, I think it'd be a no brainer that
- 11:15Speaker 3: he would be running away with it. So it's obviously
- 11:18Speaker 3: gonna come down to those three. I wouldn't be surprised
- 11:21Speaker 3: if there's a trade that ends up happening, But I
- 11:24Speaker 3: think right now i'd go with AJ.
- 11:26Speaker 1: Are you weirded out at all by the the Peterson?
- 11:29Speaker 1: Just the strangeness of his one season in college, how
- 11:32Speaker 1: many times he was unavailable. I mean, injuries are one thing,
- 11:36Speaker 1: but there were times like right before they went on
- 11:38Speaker 1: the court, he was just tapping out to Bill self,
- 11:41Speaker 1: and even Kansas couldn't cover up that they were bothered
- 11:46Speaker 1: by it. Even Bill self could not cover up that
- 11:48Speaker 1: he was bothered by just the lack of availability and
- 11:52Speaker 1: then and then his timing for telling them when he
- 11:55Speaker 1: couldn't go. Is that alarming for NBA teams in your opinion?
- 12:01Speaker 3: I would think so. The one the cramps are I
- 12:07Speaker 3: remember Paula was dealing with that at Duke, But it
- 12:11Speaker 3: would be a thing where he comes out of the
- 12:13Speaker 3: game for five minutes and drinks a gatorader goes and
- 12:16Speaker 3: gets an IV and then would get back in there.
- 12:18Speaker 3: The one the game that stood out to me, which
- 12:22Speaker 3: I happened to be watching, was the Kansas Arizona game
- 12:25Speaker 3: where I think it was like twenty minutes before tip
- 12:28Speaker 3: time and he couldn't play because he had flu like
- 12:30Speaker 3: symptoms or something along those lines. And it's a concern,
- 12:34Speaker 3: but the talent is not and the profile is not,
- 12:38Speaker 3: and that's those are all things that teams are going
- 12:41Speaker 3: to have to weigh. And I think at the end
- 12:43Speaker 3: of the day, if I know anything about how they
- 12:47Speaker 3: the teams evaluate and end up drafting talent, they're going
- 12:51Speaker 3: to air on the side of that. And I wouldn't
- 12:54Speaker 3: be I bet a lot of money he's not going
- 12:57Speaker 3: past three.
- 12:58Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guarantee o Paz three. And by the way,
- 13:02Speaker 1: who are we going to get for Polo. Who do
- 13:03Speaker 1: you want to add to Palouse? Should we get Jalen
- 13:05Speaker 1: Brown for Polo? Would that be a nice little pair there?
- 13:09Speaker 3: Just we need some shooters down there. He he almost
- 13:14Speaker 3: You watch those games and I watch a lot of them,
- 13:16Speaker 3: and it almost resembles their offensive spacing or identity or
- 13:22Speaker 3: lack thereof, almost resembles a college game. And the fact
- 13:26Speaker 3: that there's just when when he has the ball in
- 13:28Speaker 3: his hands, which he obviously does a lot, there's just
- 13:30Speaker 3: not a lot of room to operate and allow him
- 13:33Speaker 3: to play to his strength. So they need They took
- 13:36Speaker 3: a step with Bain, but Bain's only one guy that
- 13:39Speaker 3: can shoot. I think they got to keep surrounding him
- 13:42Speaker 3: with more shooters. And then they got to figure out
- 13:45Speaker 3: their dynamic with who's going to be the primary ball
- 13:48Speaker 3: handler and secondary ball handler between Paulo and Franz to
- 13:54Speaker 3: get a little pecking order when when Paulo doesn't have it,
- 13:57Speaker 3: who's going to take some pressure off him to not
- 14:00Speaker 3: have to come down every time and exert that amount
- 14:02Speaker 3: of energy to get a shot, to get a good
- 14:04Speaker 3: shot for him or one of his teammates.
- 14:07Speaker 1: Last thing, and we do appreciate your time, great stuff
- 14:10Speaker 1: here this morning. I want to ask you about Dusty May.
- 14:13Speaker 1: What does it say about the state of college basketball
- 14:16Speaker 1: right now that a head coach who seems to be
- 14:20Speaker 1: on top of the mountain in college basketball is saying
- 14:24Speaker 1: I need to go to the NBA. There's more job
- 14:26Speaker 1: security there, and there's fewer frustrations with the job. I'm
- 14:33Speaker 1: tired of people complaining about money at the college level.
- 14:37Speaker 1: What do you make of somebody going from the top
- 14:40Speaker 1: of the college basketball mountain and leaving for the NBA.
- 14:45Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I'd be remiss if I didn't
- 14:48Speaker 3: mention where does it stand with this NIL tampering investigation.
- 14:53Speaker 3: I haven't really gone down the rabbit hole with that.
- 14:55Speaker 3: But where there's smoke, there's fire. Here we go again
- 14:59Speaker 3: with michiganotentially cheating. What a shocker there. But I don't
- 15:03Speaker 3: think it's just the NBA. I think it's a I
- 15:05Speaker 3: think it's college football as well. I think I can't
- 15:08Speaker 3: blame coaches. You know, recruiting is hard enough when you're
- 15:14Speaker 3: just selling the program and the intangibles and the education
- 15:17Speaker 3: and everything else. Now you put in all that work
- 15:21Speaker 3: and do all this diligence, and then a seventeen year
- 15:24Speaker 3: old er is you know, family or agent or whoever
- 15:28Speaker 3: skips over all that and just says, all right, what's
- 15:30Speaker 3: the number that would get old in a hurry. It's
- 15:34Speaker 3: a sad state of affairs that the purest version of
- 15:39Speaker 3: the two biggest sports is now being seen at the
- 15:42Speaker 3: professional level. And I don't blame Dusty. I do think
- 15:49Speaker 3: you know the opportunity if you're him, to go go
- 15:52Speaker 3: coach a generational talent and Cooper Flag and get him
- 15:55Speaker 3: at the beginning. That would be enticing for anybody. But
- 15:59Speaker 3: I think he's a nomenal coach. I think he's one
- 16:01Speaker 3: of the few guys in college that has the chops
- 16:04Speaker 3: to be able to make it translate to the NBA level.
- 16:07Speaker 3: And I don't think he's going to be the end
- 16:10Speaker 3: of coaches when they're hot, and you don't get more
- 16:13Speaker 3: hot than coming off in National championship, exert that leverage
- 16:17Speaker 3: to try and get one of the thirty thirty jobs
- 16:20Speaker 3: in the association.
- 16:22Speaker 1: Great's tough today out of you. I mean, man, you know,
- 16:25Speaker 1: sitting in a tunnel, you would think that'd throw you
- 16:27Speaker 1: off your game, and not Spencer Halls. He brought his
- 16:30Speaker 1: a game here today.
- 16:32Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. It's gonna be a fun night.
- 16:34Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, it is gonna be fun and enjoy.
- 16:36Speaker 1: By the way, how was your NBA Draft night? What
- 16:38Speaker 1: was the experience like?
- 16:42Speaker 3: It was a lot of fun. At the time, it
- 16:45Speaker 3: felt like I was waiting forever. In hindsight, I feel
- 16:49Speaker 3: like I didn't really have to wait wait all that long.
- 16:52Speaker 3: But it was pretty predictable. I kind of knew I
- 16:54Speaker 3: had a floor at twelve and a ceiling at six,
- 16:58Speaker 3: So that was falling at ten kind of right in
- 17:01Speaker 3: the middle. Was I think what we expected?
- 17:03Speaker 1: Oh yeah, top ten pick? You waited forever?
- 17:06Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, it clicks slow when you're down on that.
- 17:11Speaker 3: You're down on that floor.
- 17:13Speaker 1: All right, man, great avenue. Thank you, We appreciate it,
- 17:16Speaker 1: and we'll try not to bug you again for a while.
- 17:20Speaker 3: That's all right. I'm around all right.
- 17:21Speaker 1: Spencer all is joining us right here on Chuck and
- 17:23Speaker 1: Buck in the morning. Tenth pick of the two thousand
- 17:26Speaker 1: and seven NBA Draft by the Sacramento Kings joining us
- 17:31Speaker 1: here Draft night tonight. I'm I am excited about it,
- 17:35Speaker 1: and also we got to get back in the practice
- 17:37Speaker 1: of watching the NBA draft. Ashley still has her guards.
- 17:41Speaker 3: Up, but not me.
- 17:41Speaker 4: I'm still gonna watch it though, and that's a big
- 17:43Speaker 4: deal for me because I don't think I watched hardly
- 17:45Speaker 4: any of it last year.
- 17:46Speaker 1: I'm going to practice. I'm going to practice watching the
- 17:48Speaker 1: draft tonight in anticipation of the Sonics returning in a
- 17:51Speaker 1: couple of years.
- 17:52Speaker 4: All warm up, Yeah, yeah, I'll do some stretching, some
- 17:55Speaker 4: stretch act as well.
- 17:56Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to get our reps in. Yes, yeah,
- 17:59Speaker 1: just you forgot how fun NBA Draft night was.
- 18:03Speaker 2: Just in case.
- 18:03Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, coming, I'm next. It's our Seahawks one
- 18:06Speaker 1: series recap for you on Sports Radio ninety three point
- 18:10Speaker 1: three kJ r F. My, you want to go run
- 18:27Speaker 1: some sprints later? It'd be a nice warm day for it.
- 18:31Speaker 1: Good to get the juices going. What when I say juices,
- 18:34Speaker 1: I mean turns your lunch inside out.
- 18:37Speaker 4: I've been in I've been meaning to get back in shape.
- 18:39Speaker 4: I think I might as well just jump back into it, Chuck,
- 18:41Speaker 4: you recommend sprints on.
- 18:42Speaker 1: A hot day? Yeah, sprints on a hot day in
- 18:44Speaker 1: the middle of a football field in Arizona.
- 18:47Speaker 2: That's a sign me up.
- 18:49Speaker 1: It's a great, great way and it really does it
- 18:51Speaker 1: really does catapult you. It's greatness pop fitness.
- 18:55Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'll go do it and I'll report back.
- 18:58Speaker 1: Yeah, you lose a lot of weight. I'll say that
- 19:00Speaker 1: the very first day.
- 19:01Speaker 2: That's the goal.
- 19:02Speaker 1: Like whatever you had for breakfast, gone.
- 19:05Speaker 2: Oh is it sustaining?
- 19:06Speaker 1: Instant? So it's not susta Let's see. I did it
- 19:11Speaker 1: between one and one days.
- 19:13Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so not recommended, like to do for like
- 19:17Speaker 2: three days.
- 19:18Speaker 1: Didn't work for me. Okay, doesn't mean it won't for you.
- 19:21Speaker 2: No, I've got to try it to know.
- 19:22Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds like Palmer has nothing to do with that.
- 19:29Speaker 2: She wants to to the fence and back.
- 19:32Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you can't set an example for her on
- 19:34Speaker 1: what to do on a hot day. And that sprints
- 19:37Speaker 1: on a full stomach.
- 19:38Speaker 2: Definitely would make me a great parent.
- 19:41Speaker 1: Yeah, you'll be like Brandon Marshall. You just you know,
- 19:44Speaker 1: record your kid two am. We're running, Yeah, crying, running
- 19:47Speaker 1: miles along the road.
- 19:49Speaker 3: Yep.
- 19:49Speaker 2: If you don't listen, you run in the middle of
- 19:51Speaker 2: the night.
- 19:52Speaker 1: Yeah, you just you take on the Marshall family plan.
- 19:57Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about that.
- 19:58Speaker 1: That'll whip that daughter of yours and into shape.
- 20:01Speaker 2: Yep, it sure will.
- 20:04Speaker 1: All right, Well, guess what we are about thirty three
- 20:08Speaker 1: days from training camp. It's not too far away. So
- 20:11Speaker 1: for the month of June, we celebrated with our Seahawks
- 20:13Speaker 1: Will One series, one breakdown every day, one analyst breaking
- 20:18Speaker 1: down one key Seahawk player for one entire interview, and
- 20:21Speaker 1: then the following day we recap because sometimes we don't
- 20:24Speaker 1: have time to converse about what it is that we
- 20:28Speaker 1: heard from our expert the previous day. And so yesterday
- 20:32Speaker 1: we reached out to the podcast world and talked to
- 20:35Speaker 1: for the very first time in the Seahawks Forever podcast,
- 20:37Speaker 1: Dan Vienns. Great guests, very likable, yes, very yeah.
- 20:42Speaker 2: Listen to his podcast.
- 20:43Speaker 1: Yeah, you should do that. You should at least follow him,
- 20:45Speaker 1: get to know him a little bit.
- 20:46Speaker 5: Yep.
- 20:47Speaker 1: And he chose Julian Love to break down. Apparently it's
- 20:50Speaker 1: defensive back week. Julian Love was his choice of players
- 20:54Speaker 1: to break down, and I asked him, you know, just
- 20:57Speaker 1: point blank, what is it that you admire most about
- 21:00Speaker 1: Julian's game.
- 21:01Speaker 6: I think it's this stuff from the from the neck up.
- 21:03Speaker 6: Now you touched on it there. I just I was
- 21:05Speaker 6: really struck by that interview that Kirk Cousins did a
- 21:07Speaker 6: couple of months ago.
- 21:08Speaker 1: I'm sure you've seen it where.
- 21:09Speaker 6: He talks about just how complex Mike McDonald's coverage schemes are,
- 21:14Speaker 6: and in particular, how late in the play it reveals
- 21:18Speaker 6: or they reveal themselves, and that you know it sometimes
- 21:22Speaker 6: after the snap that they rotat into the the actual
- 21:25Speaker 6: coverage they're playing, not the one that they showed three
- 21:26Speaker 6: snap And and I think he's he's front and center
- 21:29Speaker 6: and at the forefront of that and being able to
- 21:31Speaker 6: make those calls, communicate what he's seeing to the other guys,
- 21:36Speaker 6: and uh, and then making plays. You know, we saw
- 21:38Speaker 6: that in the Super Bowl. We saw the miked up
- 21:40Speaker 6: stuff and how smart he was. He knew that was
- 21:42Speaker 6: going to come to him and certainly it did, and
- 21:44Speaker 6: that was one of one of my favorite moments of
- 21:46Speaker 6: that game. And uh, and then it's he's one of
- 21:49Speaker 6: the glue guys. You know, he really really is on
- 21:51Speaker 6: this on this team, exhibits everything they want in a
- 21:55Speaker 6: in a player culture wise, and I'm really excited to
- 21:59Speaker 6: see him Bud Clark under his wing and see if
- 22:02Speaker 6: he can develop him. That's gonna be a fun duo.
- 22:04Speaker 6: I think moving forward.
- 22:06Speaker 1: Dan Vienn Seattle Forever Podcast, yesterday's guest on our Seahawks
- 22:10Speaker 1: SO one series recap, Julian Love only played eight games
- 22:15Speaker 1: last year out of seventeen during the regular season, and
- 22:18Speaker 1: who knows how many of those games he actually played healthy.
- 22:23Speaker 1: So I mean this defense took that next step without
- 22:28Speaker 1: the glue, And I think glue is the word that
- 22:30Speaker 1: sort of comes to mind when it comes to Julian Love.
- 22:34Speaker 1: He's not the talent that Emon warr he is. He's
- 22:36Speaker 1: not the talent that Witherspoon is. But neck up, smart, gritty,
- 22:42Speaker 1: gutsy leader loves being a Seahawk. We've loved him that
- 22:47Speaker 1: because he loves being a Sea Hawk, and just to
- 22:50Speaker 1: get him for seventeen games and maybe, you know, twenty
- 22:53Speaker 1: eight years old, it shouldn't be where people are starting
- 22:56Speaker 1: to wonder if you're waning, winding down in your career,
- 23:00Speaker 1: But that's football, that's the NFL for you. And so
- 23:03Speaker 1: maybe it is eventually the passing of the torch to
- 23:06Speaker 1: Bud Clark. But I know we got to leave one
- 23:09Speaker 1: more really good season out of Julian Love. You can
- 23:11Speaker 1: keep him healthy and Emon Warri takes his next big
- 23:15Speaker 1: step forward. One more year of Mike McDonald's defense. And
- 23:20Speaker 1: Dan pointed this out. It's the third year, which is
- 23:23Speaker 1: usually when it takes hold. That's that's his history. And
- 23:28Speaker 1: so I really think and this is scary for the
- 23:32Speaker 1: rest of the National Football League because it seems like
- 23:34Speaker 1: every single fan base out there is looking about, Okay,
- 23:37Speaker 1: where can we tear down the Seahawks? Where are they
- 23:39Speaker 1: going to be worse? And we've got this little secret
- 23:43Speaker 1: here in Seattle where we are all expecting our team
- 23:46Speaker 1: to be better. So you can sit there and you know,
- 23:50Speaker 1: think that because we lost Clint Kubiak, our world is
- 23:54Speaker 1: falling around us, or because we lost Kobe Bryant. But
- 23:58Speaker 1: I actually think the secondary's going to be better, and
- 24:00Speaker 1: I think the defense is going to be better, and
- 24:03Speaker 1: I think the team is going to be better this year.
- 24:05Speaker 4: Well, and I just think, you know, too often we
- 24:08Speaker 4: try to think, oh gosh, why did they let them go?
- 24:11Speaker 4: Why did they do this, why did they do that? Well,
- 24:13Speaker 4: I think we know enough about John Schneider and Mike
- 24:15Speaker 4: McDonald at this point to know that if someone isn't
- 24:17Speaker 4: on this team anymore, they're going to be okay with
- 24:20Speaker 4: it because they have a plan.
- 24:22Speaker 1: It is perfect general managership, and it really does kind
- 24:26Speaker 1: of apply to people that lose their minds over the
- 24:29Speaker 1: Mariners and their lack of spending. That's not the issue.
- 24:35Speaker 1: They've had a team to contend. They have had underperforming
- 24:39Speaker 1: seasons more often than not. They're having won this year.
- 24:43Speaker 1: But here's general managership. And I think John's got it
- 24:47Speaker 1: down cold right now, and he didn't in the last
- 24:50Speaker 1: few years with Pete, And I think Pete was talking
- 24:52Speaker 1: them into things that were outside of the comfort zone,
- 24:56Speaker 1: outside of what it is the way to put together roster,
- 25:00Speaker 1: especially with a salary cap. I love that he now
- 25:04Speaker 1: and Mike, they have a really good ability to identify
- 25:08Speaker 1: that works for our system that I can tell you,
- 25:13Speaker 1: show me six safeties. I'll show you the one guy
- 25:15Speaker 1: that works best for our system. And yet they can
- 25:19Speaker 1: like somebody like they did Kobe Bryant. Damn near loves
- 25:23Speaker 1: somebody like they do Kobe Bryant. And yet you still
- 25:27Speaker 1: have to control yourself. You still have to say I
- 25:30Speaker 1: love him, I want him back, We're better with him
- 25:34Speaker 1: right now. But he's worth this. Here's the line. This
- 25:38Speaker 1: is what he's worth to us, because we got all
- 25:40Speaker 1: these other things that we got to deal with. This
- 25:42Speaker 1: guy over here he's special. This Witherspoon guy, and this
- 25:46Speaker 1: Emon Worry guy special, and this JSN guy, he's special.
- 25:50Speaker 1: They're gonna command Byron Murphy. They're going to command top dollar.
- 25:54Speaker 1: We've got to set a line. This is what Kobe
- 25:57Speaker 1: Bryant's worth, and we're not gonna go over it. Doesn't
- 25:59Speaker 1: matter how much we like him as a player, like
- 26:02Speaker 1: him as a human being, like him as a member
- 26:04Speaker 1: of this organization. There's our line. If he wants to
- 26:07Speaker 1: stay at it or below it, we'll welcome him back
- 26:09Speaker 1: with open arms. If not, we're gonna let him go
- 26:12Speaker 1: and we will find a way to replace him and
- 26:15Speaker 1: we will be better without him. That's the way they operate,
- 26:19Speaker 1: and it's perfect. General manager.
- 26:20Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it too, because, yeah, the idea that
- 26:23Speaker 4: you can't that you could panic and think, oh my gosh,
- 26:25Speaker 4: well we don't want to lose you, we're going to
- 26:27Speaker 4: overpay you. Well, now you get into that habit, you're
- 26:30Speaker 4: going to have to do that for a lot of people,
- 26:31Speaker 4: and now your team's falling apart.
- 26:32Speaker 1: That's what bad general managers do. So what bad general
- 26:35Speaker 1: managers do, And I know I brought up the Mariners,
- 26:37Speaker 1: but it's like, remember that year where all those free
- 26:40Speaker 1: agents were available and we just had to have one
- 26:43Speaker 1: and we ended up with Robbie Ray And but the
- 26:46Speaker 1: fan base is all ready to determine we gotta get Okay, fine,
- 26:50Speaker 1: you get Ray, Well, you gotta get Simon and Bryant.
- 26:52Speaker 1: You know that whole year. Do you know how many
- 26:55Speaker 1: guys from that free agent class that looks so special
- 26:58Speaker 1: actually panned out like Simeons, like the only one. Yeah,
- 27:03Speaker 1: Swanson to a degree, Dansby Swanson worked out a little bit,
- 27:07Speaker 1: but he's having a rough year. This year's in onoin
- 27:09Speaker 1: e Bryant fell off of co Chris Bryant has been
- 27:13Speaker 1: an absolute unmitigated disaster. It is ruined. That signing has
- 27:18Speaker 1: ruined the Colorado Rockies and the Boston Red Sox right now.
- 27:21Speaker 1: Can't stand to even hear the name Trevor story. Yeah
- 27:24Speaker 1: it's fair, don't you want to hear it? And he
- 27:26Speaker 1: had a great year last year, but the year before
- 27:29Speaker 1: he wasn't available because of injuries. This year he was
- 27:31Speaker 1: having a bad year and got injured again. They hate him, Yeah,
- 27:34Speaker 1: And so it is sort of that yes, you can
- 27:38Speaker 1: go all in on a player, but the idea that
- 27:42Speaker 1: anybody should go all in. We like Kobe Bryant, We're
- 27:44Speaker 1: gonna spend whatever it takes to get him. Nope, that's
- 27:47Speaker 1: bad general managership. The way John's doing it right now. Man,
- 27:51Speaker 1: he's got it down, and I think Mike is the
- 27:54Speaker 1: reason that he has it down. He needed Mike's input
- 27:57Speaker 1: to get back to being a A plus caliber gentleman.
- 28:03Speaker 1: And now the two of them together again. We want
- 28:06Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant back. We do value him. We'll make him rich.
- 28:10Speaker 1: Here's the line, yep. And if he wants more than that.
- 28:14Speaker 1: It's been great avenue on the team. Hope you like
- 28:16Speaker 1: your Super Bowl ring, Please come to our party. But
- 28:19Speaker 1: good luck with the Bears. Meanwhile, hate to tell you this.
- 28:23Speaker 1: We're gonna have an even better secondary next year. That's
- 28:26Speaker 1: how you approach it, yep. And I think that they're
- 28:28Speaker 1: going to and I thought the world Kobe Bryant, we're
- 28:30Speaker 1: going to have a better secondary this year. That gong
- 28:32Speaker 1: as everybody.
- 28:33Speaker 4: Stays healthy, yep, can't get caught up and all that
- 28:35Speaker 4: other stuff, all right, coming.
- 28:36Speaker 1: Up next, one last thing to close out the show.
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- 30:20Speaker 4: Okay, So we have talked about the NBA draft and
- 30:23Speaker 4: the NBA trades, but we.
- 30:24Speaker 2: Have missed something in the w NBA to just see this.
- 30:29Speaker 4: So in the Indiana Fevers comeback win over the Phoenix Mercury.
- 30:33Speaker 4: Apparently in the fourth quarter, things got all sorts of crazy.
- 30:37Speaker 4: There were five technicals handed out in eight seconds. Oh
- 30:41Speaker 4: somebody got ejected and are and you know, the sweetheart
- 30:46Speaker 4: Caitlin Clark apparently got a technical for clapping.
- 30:50Speaker 2: That's what she got a technical for.
- 30:51Speaker 4: She went up to the rough and asked what the
- 30:52Speaker 4: technical was for, and it was because she was clapping.
- 30:56Speaker 1: There was a.
- 30:56Speaker 2: Point off between do Wanna Bonner and.
- 31:00Speaker 4: Sophie Cunningham, and Sophie Cunningham was just walking around just
- 31:03Speaker 4: doing this over Bonner's head. I mean, they just got
- 31:07Speaker 4: all sorts of chippy and angry.
- 31:09Speaker 1: But they are I'll say this, I mean I think
- 31:11Speaker 1: their fever are targeted. Clark is targeted more so maybe
- 31:15Speaker 1: than any athlete I've ever seen. But they also I mean,
- 31:19Speaker 1: she's snotty and yeah, she can be nasty, and Sophie's
- 31:22Speaker 1: there to just stir the pot. Yeah she is.
- 31:26Speaker 2: She knows what she's doing.
- 31:27Speaker 1: Yeah. So I mean they're one of those that they
- 31:29Speaker 1: can dish it back out. I mean they take a lot,
- 31:33Speaker 1: but they dish it back. Yeah.
- 31:34Speaker 4: And Clark now is tied for most technicals with Angel Reese,
- 31:37Speaker 4: which is funny.
- 31:40Speaker 1: Another thing that Angel will probably want to beat her at.
- 31:42Speaker 1: I would assume, so, oh damn her. What is she trying?
- 31:45Speaker 2: I better get that. I better get that eighth one faster.
- 31:48Speaker 1: I don't know when we'll have time to talk about it,
- 31:50Speaker 1: but I'm so with Charles Barkley on this. He went
- 31:52Speaker 1: on a rant not long ago talking about how the
- 31:55Speaker 1: WNBA could not have mishandled the Caitlin Clark era more
- 32:01Speaker 1: than what they have to this stage.
- 32:02Speaker 2: I would agree.
- 32:03Speaker 1: I mean, they have just butchered it. The Golden Goose
- 32:08Speaker 1: came into their lives and they've spent the entire time
- 32:11Speaker 1: pecking at her yeah. Yeah, and she's a little snotty herself,
- 32:16Speaker 1: and she's probably not done any favors by not taking
- 32:20Speaker 1: a higher road than what she has. Uh, but it
- 32:25Speaker 1: has just been botched. Now, the league's doing well, in
- 32:28Speaker 1: the league's you know, obviously all the girls are make
- 32:31Speaker 1: money now. But man, that what a terrible job of
- 32:37Speaker 1: handling the best thing that's ever happened.
- 32:40Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they were.
- 32:41Speaker 4: They were like, oh, we've got the superstar coming into
- 32:43Speaker 4: the league. All right, everybody get chippier.
- 32:46Speaker 1: Yeah, let's let everybody beat.
- 32:48Speaker 4: Her up, let's get let's get angry about it. We're
- 32:51Speaker 4: gonna all look very catty. Yeah, and we're gonna make
- 32:55Speaker 4: everyone talk about that and not.
- 32:56Speaker 2: Our actual basketball skills. Sound good.
- 32:59Speaker 1: Yeah, we had Kaitlyn on three. We had Kaitlyn That
- 33:05Speaker 1: basically what's happened. Ye all right, I'm gonna use as
- 33:09Speaker 1: my one last thing Jazz Chisholm. Okay, did you see
- 33:14Speaker 1: the video of him last night? Well, Yankee fans have
- 33:19Speaker 1: had enough and he's been pretty good. It's pretty good player, right.
- 33:22Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Yes.
- 33:24Speaker 1: He's had a few incidents in his past where it
- 33:26Speaker 1: just looks like I mean, for example, he threw a
- 33:31Speaker 1: ball away. He made an air on a play earlier
- 33:34Speaker 1: in the season. He was asked about it afterwards, and
- 33:37Speaker 1: he basically gave an answer like, oh, can is there
- 33:41Speaker 1: a tag play on that? Can you? Is that a
- 33:43Speaker 1: force out? Like just basic rules? Right, Okay, there's no
- 33:50Speaker 1: way that he doesn't know that rule. He was just
- 33:52Speaker 1: trying to be a jerk. If he didn't know the rule,
- 33:56Speaker 1: we'd still be talking about. Yeah, major league second basement.
- 34:00Speaker 1: That doesn't understand a force play. But anyway, he's had
- 34:04Speaker 1: a few of these incidents and then he's kind of
- 34:06Speaker 1: he's got this attitude about him where he's kind of
- 34:08Speaker 1: blown it off like it's no big deal. And Yankee
- 34:11Speaker 1: fans they can't take that. Yankee fans like the Yankees
- 34:14Speaker 1: are sacred. You should Yankee baseball is everything, and if
- 34:18Speaker 1: you're gonna wear the pinstripes, you better be more respectful
- 34:22Speaker 1: towards the game and toward us and towards your teammates
- 34:25Speaker 1: and Jazz Chisholm just has a hard time doing that.
- 34:28Speaker 3: Well.
- 34:28Speaker 1: Last night he took the field with a blow pop
- 34:32Speaker 1: in his mouth.
- 34:32Speaker 2: Oh, I bet that went over really well.
- 34:35Speaker 1: It went over poorly, Ashley. It's weird. That you would
- 34:37Speaker 1: say that.
- 34:38Speaker 4: They would have been like, oh, look, he's just a
- 34:40Speaker 4: kid at heart. He loves playing the game like a kid.
- 34:42Speaker 1: He went onto the field of a major league field
- 34:46Speaker 1: with a blowpop in his mouth and was sitting there
- 34:49Speaker 1: playing with it, and the whole time while pitches were
- 34:52Speaker 1: taking bath At.
- 34:53Speaker 2: That point, you might as well have given the Yankee
- 34:54Speaker 2: fans two of these.
- 34:56Speaker 1: Well, it had to have been what he was doing. Yeah,
- 35:00Speaker 1: get him above the YouTube screen he had. I mean,
- 35:03Speaker 1: he's got to be doing that on purpose, right, he
- 35:05Speaker 1: doesn't think that's okay? I mean, and that's even worse
- 35:08Speaker 1: to me, Like, yeah, because I think that's he's sort
- 35:11Speaker 1: of that kid at school. You know, the kid at
- 35:13Speaker 1: school that would always like, hey, you know, we're not
- 35:16Speaker 1: supposed to pee on the fence, and he's like, nobody's watching, Yeah,
- 35:20Speaker 1: on the.
- 35:20Speaker 2: Fence, Why can't we What happens if we do it?
- 35:22Speaker 1: Yeah? I think he's that guy. But he's still that guy.
- 35:26Speaker 4: He doesn't seem to be happy anywhere. He wasn't happy
- 35:28Speaker 4: in Miami on a non winning team. Now you're on
- 35:30Speaker 4: a team that's supposed to win, and you're not happy
- 35:32Speaker 4: there either.
- 35:33Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 35:33Speaker 1: But I think he's the guy that's like, oh my gosh,
- 35:35Speaker 1: there's a sucker that looks good watch this, and then
- 35:39Speaker 1: just goes. He knows better. He knows better than to
- 35:43Speaker 1: take that out of the field. He knows what it's
- 35:45Speaker 1: going to create, and I think he just likes creating that.
- 35:49Speaker 1: And Yankee fans are like, I've had enough. I don't
- 35:51Speaker 1: want him on my baseball team anymore. I don't care
- 35:53Speaker 1: how good he is, I don't care how talented he is.
- 35:55Speaker 1: I don't want him on my baseball team anymore. Yeah,
- 35:58Speaker 1: I get it, all right. We'll talk to you tomorrow
- 36:01Speaker 1: at six am. Greg and Chris are coming your way next.
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