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Mega Edition: Moscow Police Respond To Rumors Early On (9/1/26) · Beyond The Horizon

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Speaker 1: Today's article is from The Independent. And headline, speculation that
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger has co-defendant in Idaho murders case debunked. This
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Speaker 1: article was authored by Rachel Sharp. And we talked about
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Speaker 1: this previously a little bit, but I wanted to talk
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Speaker 1: about it a little bit more in depth. And that's
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Speaker 1: the fact that there was some boilerplate language in the
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Speaker 1: discovery request passed off by Brian Koberger's legal team. And
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Speaker 1: that led some people to believe that there might be
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Speaker 1: an accomplice in this case. And I talked about it
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Speaker 1: during that update when we briefly touched on it, that
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Speaker 1: a lot of times that's just basic language that they
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Speaker 1: use in these kinds of discoveries. That way they're not
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Speaker 1: caught with their pants down if something pops up. They're
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Speaker 1: trying to cover all of their bases beforehand. And then
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Speaker 1: that way, later on, they can put out some little
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Speaker 1: fires if they have to, but they want to make
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Speaker 1: sure that all of the information that they need or
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Speaker 1: might need or that the prosecution might have is going
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Speaker 1: to come their way. And if they don't ask for
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Speaker 1: it in the discovery, then the prosecution doesn't have to
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Speaker 1: turn it over. So the goal was to make sure
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Speaker 1: that if there was an accomplice, obviously they get access
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Speaker 1: to that person or the evidence pointing to another person
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Speaker 1: because they'd love that. Then they have somebody they can
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Speaker 1: point to and say, look, it wasn't Brian Koberger.
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Speaker 2: It was his accomplice.
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Speaker 1: But unfortunately for Brian Koberger and his legal team, That
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like a reality. A prominent attorney has debunked
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Speaker 1: speculation that suspected killer Brian Koberger had an accomplice in
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Speaker 1: the stabbing murders of four University of Idaho students. Duncan Levin,
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Speaker 1: a former assistant district attorney in the Manhattan DA's office
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Speaker 1: and attorney at Levin & Associates, spoke to The Independent
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Speaker 1: about the criminal case against the 28-year-old criminology Ph.D.
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Speaker 2: Student.
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Speaker 1: Mr. Koberger, is facing the death penalty on charges of
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Speaker 1: murdering Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin
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Speaker 1: in Moscow, Idaho, on November 13th.
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Speaker 2: Last week, Mr.
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Speaker 1: Koberger's attorney, Ann Taylor, filed a discovery request in the case,
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Speaker 1: asking the judge to order the prosecution to hand over
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Speaker 1: all discovery in the case within 14 days. Among the
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Speaker 1: discovery requests were witness statements, digital media, and police reports
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Speaker 1: about the case. It also included a request for information
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Speaker 1: about a co-defendant. Now, I could see how that could
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Speaker 1: get people a bit interested who don't really understand how
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Speaker 1: this works and how the language is placed inside of
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Speaker 1: these requests because it certainly comes off as them saying, hey, look,
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Speaker 1: is there a co-defendant here?
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Speaker 2: Is there an accomplice? But according to Mr.
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Speaker 1: Levin here, And my own attorney, this is very standard
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Speaker 1: boilerplate type stuff. Statements of co-defendant, any written or recorded
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Speaker 1: statements by a co-defendant and the substance of any relevant
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Speaker 1: oral statement made by a co-defendant, whether before or after
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Speaker 1: arrest in response to interrogation by any person known by
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Speaker 1: the co-defendant to be a peace officer or agent of
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Speaker 1: the prosecuting attorney or which are otherwise relevant. to the
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Speaker 1: offense charged, the filing reads. So that certainly comes off
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Speaker 1: as them saying, hey, look, we want to talk to
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Speaker 1: the co-defendant. But in this case, it's more of a
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Speaker 1: cover our bases type of deal. So in case there
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Speaker 1: is a co-defendant, they're not caught later on without having
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Speaker 1: that in their discovery request. The request prompted speculation online
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Speaker 1: that there may be evidence suggesting that Mr. Kohlberger had
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Speaker 1: an accomplice in the killings or that the defense could
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Speaker 1: be planning to argue that as part of their case.
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Speaker 2: However, Mr.
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Speaker 1: Levin explained that this is just part of the standard
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Speaker 1: request for discovery in a case.
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Speaker 2: And it really is.
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Speaker 1: Now, look, I'm not saying that the defense isn't going
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Speaker 1: to try and formulate something around maybe, hey, look, Brian
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger had an accomplice. Maybe that's going to be their strategy.
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Speaker 1: But as far as this being basic, standard language in
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Speaker 1: one of these discovery requests of this nature, it usually
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Speaker 1: is something that they'll add in. While ruling out other
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Speaker 1: individuals as possible suspects will likely form part of the
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Speaker 1: state's case against Mr. Koberger, he said that the move
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Speaker 1: from his defense does not indicate that there are other suspects.
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Speaker 1: The probable cause affidavit makes no mention of a co-defendant
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Speaker 1: And law enforcement officials have previously insisted that they believe
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Speaker 1: the suspect acted alone. And you see the difference down
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Speaker 1: in Delphi. Remember in Delphi, we heard a little bit
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Speaker 1: about possible co-defendants and possible people being involved in the
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Speaker 1: court filings themselves. So that would lead me to believe here,
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Speaker 1: if we're using that as precedent, that there's certainly not
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Speaker 1: any co-defendant or possible co-defendants that the prosecution is currently
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Speaker 1: looking at. Now, I will say, who knows where the
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Speaker 1: investigation goes. Maybe that changes at some point. But as
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Speaker 1: of right now, currently in this case, it certainly doesn't
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Speaker 1: look like the prosecution or the investigators believe anyone besides
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Speaker 1: Brian Koberger was involved in these murders. The request making
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Speaker 1: mention of a co-defendant is also just one of 18
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Speaker 1: discovery requests made in the court filings. I don't think
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Speaker 1: I would make too much of that, Mr. Levin said
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Speaker 1: of the discovery request.
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Speaker 2: Mr.
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Speaker 1: Koberger, who is presumed innocent until proven guilty at trial,
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Speaker 1: remains behind bars in Latah County as he awaits his
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Speaker 1: preliminary hearing on June 26th. The entire week has been
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Speaker 1: set aside for the hearing when evidence of the case
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Speaker 1: against Mr. Koberger will be laid out for the first
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Speaker 1: time in court and when he is likely to enter
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Speaker 1: a plea on the charges. Investigators honed in on the suspect,
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Speaker 1: through DNA evidence, cell phone data, his vehicle, and an
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Speaker 1: eyewitness account, according to the bombshell probable cause affidavit released
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Speaker 1: earlier this month. And as far as all of that evidence,
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Speaker 1: I find the eyewitness account to be the weakest. And
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Speaker 1: that's weird to hear, right? Usually the eyewitness account is
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Speaker 1: some pretty strong evidence. But considering his face was covered
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Speaker 1: and you really couldn't see who he is or who
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Speaker 1: he was, I think the defense will have a field
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Speaker 1: day with that one.
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Speaker 2: But the other stuff?
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Speaker 1: It's going to be very difficult for them to mount
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Speaker 1: a strong defense. The affidavit revealed for the first time
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Speaker 1: that a knife sheath had been left behind at the
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Speaker 1: crime scene on the bed next to the bodies of
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Speaker 1: Mogan and Gonsalves. DNA found on the sheath was matched
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Speaker 1: to Mr. Kohlberger using DNA obtained from trash taken from
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Speaker 1: his parents' home and a genetic genealogy database. The affidavit states,
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Speaker 1: Cell phone data suggests that Mr. Koberger stalked the student
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Speaker 1: home at least 12 times in the run up to
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Speaker 1: the night of the murders, according to the affidavit. The
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Speaker 1: exact dates and times of these instances were not revealed
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Speaker 1: in the affidavit, but all bar one were in the
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Speaker 1: late evening or early morning hours. And if you're looking
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Speaker 1: at it clinically, you're saying to yourself, well, what the
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Speaker 1: hell was he doing there in the early morning hours?
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Speaker 1: What are you doing sitting outside of somebody's home? You
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Speaker 1: don't even know them. And you're caught out there over
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Speaker 1: 12 times. Now, the caveat to that is the defense
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Speaker 1: is going to try and pick that apart by saying
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Speaker 1: that those towers are going to ping no matter what,
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Speaker 1: given that he lives so close to where these murders occurred.
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Speaker 1: But I think that the prosecution will be prepared for that.
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Speaker 1: And they're going to offer up more evidence. And that evidence,
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Speaker 1: I believe, will be of the GPS variety. Now, that
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Speaker 1: is just my speculation, to be clear. I have no
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Speaker 1: way to know what they have going on behind the scenes.
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Speaker 1: But it just seems likely that they're going to cook
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Speaker 1: them and they're going to use those GPS coordinates to
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Speaker 1: do it. At the time of the murders, investigators believe Mr.
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Speaker 1: Koberger then turned his cell phone off in order to
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Speaker 1: try and avoid detection. Don't you think if you're some
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Speaker 1: mastermind criminal, some criminology expert, that you would leave your
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Speaker 1: phone home, just turn it on, get yourself a burner
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Speaker 1: and be done with it? I mean, that's basic criminology
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Speaker 1: 101 that you pick up just living in the inner city,
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Speaker 1: never mind going to a criminology course and working on
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Speaker 1: a PhD. However, cell phone data places him close to
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Speaker 1: the home on King Road at around 9 a.m. on
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Speaker 1: November 13th, suggesting that he returned to the scene of
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Speaker 1: the crime just hours after allegedly murdering the four victims
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Speaker 1: at around 4 a.m. One of the victims, surviving roommates,
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Speaker 1: was also able to partially describe the killer to investigators
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Speaker 1: after she came face-to-face with him in the home. Her
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Speaker 1: description matched that of Mr. Kohlberger, authorities allege. Yeah, see,
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Speaker 1: I don't really buy this one, folks. This is one
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Speaker 1: that is quite the sell for me. If I was
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Speaker 1: sitting on a jury, and that's the way I'm trying
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Speaker 1: to look at all of this, if I was sitting
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Speaker 1: on a jury, I would need a lot more than that.
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Speaker 1: He's wearing a mask. The bushy eyebrows, fine. He has
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Speaker 1: a likeness. They share a body type. But is that
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Speaker 1: enough for me to convict somebody? Most certainly not. He
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Speaker 1: was also tracked down through his white Hyundai Elantra after
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Speaker 1: investigators said a vehicle matching that description was spotted on
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Speaker 1: surveillance footage at the crime scene at the time of
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Speaker 1: the murders and making the journey from the direction of
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Speaker 1: his apartment to the Moscow home and back again. The
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Speaker 1: motive for the murder's is unknown and it remains unclear
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Speaker 1: why Mr. Koberger allegedly targeted the victims with no known
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Speaker 1: connection between the four students and the suspect. The murder weapon,
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Speaker 1: a fixed blade knife, is also yet to be found. Now,
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Speaker 1: we know that as of now, there are reports out
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Speaker 1: there that Brian Koberger was DMing at least one of
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Speaker 1: the victims.
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Speaker 2: So that is a tie right there.
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Speaker 1: Now, it might not be the slam dunk tie that
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Speaker 1: they're looking for, But if you have somebody who is
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Speaker 1: DMing these girls a few weeks before they're murdered, and
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Speaker 1: then you have all of the other evidence that's been
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Speaker 1: compiled against Kohlberger, what you have is a very, very
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Speaker 1: strong circumstantial case. And people out there that are like, well,
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Speaker 1: that's just circumstantial. Yeah, well, that's how all of these
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Speaker 1: investigations start. Everything's circumstantial. Everything's just probable cause until it's not.
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Speaker 1: And all of this evidence that they're compiling, all of
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Speaker 1: this evidence that they've brought forward, do you really think
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Speaker 1: that's all that they have? Or are they just showing
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Speaker 1: a little bit of what they have and showing Brian
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Speaker 1: Kohlberger's team, look, it's going to be a long journey
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Speaker 1: for you to try and get your client off. You
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Speaker 1: might want to think about maybe taking a plea deal.
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Speaker 1: Now that could certainly be the strategy. And then on
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Speaker 1: the flip side of that, Brian Kohlberger could be saying, look,
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Speaker 1: I don't find any of this evidence strong enough to
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Speaker 1: connect me to these crimes. It is all way too circumstantial,
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Speaker 1: even in the totality of it. Now, I don't know
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Speaker 1: how you can come to that conclusion, but I'm sure
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Speaker 1: there are some legal minds out there that are way
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Speaker 1: smarter than me that certainly can. At the time of
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Speaker 1: his December 30th arrest, Mr. Kohlberger had just completed his
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Speaker 1: first semester as a Ph.D. student in criminal justice at
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Speaker 1: Washington State University. For years, he has shown a keen
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Speaker 1: interest in criminals and criminal mind, studying criminology at DeSalas
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Speaker 1: University in his home state of Pennsylvania, first as an undergraduate,
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Speaker 1: and then finishing his graduate studies in June of 2020,
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Speaker 1: before moving to the Washington, Idaho border town of Pullman
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Speaker 1: to begin his PhD program. While at DeSalas, he studied
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Speaker 1: under renowned forensic psychologist and leading expert on the BTK killer,
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Speaker 1: Catherine Ramsland, And also carried out a research project seeking
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Speaker 1: to understand how emotions and psychological traits influence decision making
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Speaker 1: when committing a crime. So as far as him having
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Speaker 1: a co-conspirator or an accomplice, I don't think that is
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Speaker 1: something that is based in reality. I think the only
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Speaker 1: person who the government feels is responsible here is Brian Koberger.
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Speaker 1: So I've heard the accomplice stuff. a little bit in
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Speaker 1: the last few days, so I figured we'd add this
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Speaker 1: to the catalog and get that sessed out.
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Speaker 2: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. So
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Speaker 1: we're sliding into day 9 now with no answers still,
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Speaker 1: no suspects, and none the wiser as to who might
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Speaker 1: have done this. And the lack of clues and the
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Speaker 1: lack of information is fueling fear and rumors. Now, I
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Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit in our previous article
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Speaker 1: and how the lack of transparency leaves the door open
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Speaker 1: for conspiracy theories and wackos to come up with all
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Speaker 1: kinds of crazy stuff. And while it's a fine line
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Speaker 1: for the police to walk, they have to walk that line.
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Speaker 1: And if they're not capable of doing it in Moscow,
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Speaker 1: they need to hand off the responsibilities for this case
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Speaker 1: to the FBI or the state police. Because it's not
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Speaker 1: about your ego at this point as an investigator or
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Speaker 1: a police department. It's about finding the killer or killers
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Speaker 1: and getting some justice here. And everybody should be working
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Speaker 1: towards that point. Now, I'm not saying that the police
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Speaker 1: department isn't. And I'm not saying that the police department
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Speaker 1: doesn't want to close this case. They most certainly do.
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Speaker 1: What I am saying is in a town where you
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Speaker 1: haven't had a murder for seven years, do you really
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Speaker 1: think they have good murder police in this city? What
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Speaker 1: do you think, McNulty from The Wire showing up with
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Speaker 1: bunk to figure out this case? That's just not reality.
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Speaker 1: The cops here, the investigators here, they're used to dealing
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Speaker 1: with fights, DUIs, breaking up college parties. They're not used
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Speaker 1: to a quadruple homicide. So I get why they were
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Speaker 1: caught on their back foot to start things out. But
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Speaker 1: moving forward, there's no excuse for bungling any sort of
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Speaker 1: evidence or any sort of interviews or anything like that.
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Speaker 1: When you have the resources now available to you that
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Speaker 1: they have available to them, There should be no excuses.
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Speaker 1: So we'll have to see how the investigation moves forward, right?
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Speaker 1: And we'll have to critique it as it happens. But
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Speaker 1: so far, the lack of transparency and the lack of
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Speaker 1: information has left a wide open space for conspiracy theories, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: to grow and to metastasize. That's how it works, unfortunately.
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Speaker 1: Any one of these cases that pops up, this is
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Speaker 1: what happens. When there's a lack of information, people come
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Speaker 1: up with their own ideas. So today we have an
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Speaker 1: article to start things off for the day from The
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Speaker 1: Guardian and the headline, Lack of Clues About University of
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Speaker 1: Idaho Killings Fuels Fear and Rumors. And it most certainly does.
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Speaker 1: Like I said in the opening here, it's one of
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Speaker 1: those things. It's a fine line that these police have
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Speaker 1: to walk. And it's very difficult to navigate that fine
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Speaker 1: line if you've never done anything like this before. So
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Speaker 1: if I was the Idaho police, I'd be putting my
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Speaker 1: pride to the backside and I'd be asking the FBI
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Speaker 1: for guidance here every step of the way. This article
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Speaker 1: was authored by Mackenzie Ryan. Colonel Kedrick Wills, director of
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Speaker 1: the Idaho State Police in the small northern Idaho city
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Speaker 1: of Moscow, had a simple message. We know that people
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Speaker 1: want answers. We want answers, too, he said at a
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Speaker 1: recent press conference. A manhunt has now been underway for
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Speaker 1: more than a week in this remote college town where
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Speaker 1: a still unidentified suspect stabbed four University of Idaho students
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Speaker 1: to death in the early morning hours of November 13th.
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Speaker 1: The victims of the quadruple homicide, Ethan Chapin, Kaylee Goncalves,
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Speaker 1: Zanna Kernodle, Madison Mogan, were killed as they slept in
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Speaker 1: an off-campus house on King Road located near the university's
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Speaker 1: sorority and fraternity houses. A motive and identity of who
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Speaker 1: did the appalling crime remain unknown. And this is always
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Speaker 1: one of the most terrifying parts of something like this
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Speaker 1: for these communities. When they don't have information on who
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Speaker 1: did this. If the person is still loose inside of
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Speaker 1: the community. If they're a threat to the community. And
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Speaker 1: that's why the messaging from the police department at first
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Speaker 1: was just so bad. And I don't want to continue
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Speaker 1: to harp on it, but... The first the first bit
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Speaker 1: of messaging when you tell people that there's nothing to
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Speaker 1: worry about, when obviously there's something to worry about, you're
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Speaker 1: really not starting off on the right foot here as
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Speaker 1: far as trust and public opinion goes. So you're starting
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Speaker 1: off in a hole right away that you have to
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Speaker 1: dig yourself out of. But I think with the FBI
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Speaker 1: being involved now, I think that you'll see some stabilization
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Speaker 1: of this investigation and you'll start seeing things start to
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Speaker 1: move in the right direction.
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Speaker 2: At least that's what I hope.
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Speaker 1: When Wills made his appeal before the television cameras, he
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Speaker 1: was not just speaking for the traumatized university community or
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Speaker 1: the terrified college town that it surrounds it. He was
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Speaker 1: speaking for his state and the wider American public, which
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Speaker 1: is watched in horror as more grim details of the
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Speaker 1: gruesome slayings have come to light, except for the most
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Speaker 1: crucial ones of all, why this happened and who did it.
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Speaker 1: There are a few clues, and I think that's what's
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Speaker 1: really driving the whole entire interest in this case at
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Speaker 1: this point. People want answers, right? We have four dead
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Speaker 1: college kids who had their whole lives ahead of them
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Speaker 1: who were killed for unknown reasons at this point. I mean,
18:46
Speaker 1: we don't have a motive. We don't have anything. All
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Speaker 1: we have are four lives absolutely ruined. And then talk
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Speaker 1: about the fallout of all of their friends, their family members,
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Speaker 1: their loved ones. We're already seeing some of the memorials.
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Speaker 1: Ethan had his funeral, his memorial. And it was just,
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Speaker 1: it's a brutal scene to even imagine what it must
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Speaker 1: be like to go through this, process this. And then
19:11
Speaker 1: imagine being the family members, the mom, the dad, brother, sister.
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Speaker 1: You sit around and you rack your brain why something
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Speaker 1: like this could have happened, how it could have happened.
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Speaker 1: And then I know me personally. I can't, you know,
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Speaker 1: say what anyone else feels. But I would want justice
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Speaker 1: so bad. That's all that I'd be focusing on right now.
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Speaker 1: Because I'd be going through the rage stage of my grief, right?
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Speaker 1: And I just want, I'd want justice. So I can
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Speaker 1: imagine that at least some of these family members are
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Speaker 1: just steamed up and have smoke coming out of their
19:41
Speaker 1: ears because of the lack of movement here. In the
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Speaker 1: hours before their murder, Mo and Goncalves were at a
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Speaker 1: downtown Moscow bar called the Corner Club between 10 p.m.
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Speaker 1: and 1.30 a.m., then visited a late-night food truck. So
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Speaker 1: that whole entire time that they were.
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Speaker 2: At the bar.
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Speaker 1: the video footage from that bar where they were hanging out,
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Speaker 1: I have seen some of the video footage, not of
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Speaker 1: the girls, obviously, but in general, and.
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Speaker 2: It's relatively clear CCTV footage.
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Speaker 1: It's not like grainy camera footage or anything like that.
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Speaker 1: So my guess is the FBI has access to all
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Speaker 1: of that already, and they're going through it to try
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Speaker 1: and put together who these girls might have interacted with,
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Speaker 1: if there was some sort of situation there, somebody stood
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Speaker 1: out to the FBI profilers in the crowd, whatever it
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Speaker 1: might be. But you have to think, that they're rebuilding
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Speaker 1: all of this right now as we speak. Video of
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Speaker 1: the two close friends who attended high school together and
20:38
Speaker 1: both worked at a local Greek restaurant shows them ordering
20:42
Speaker 1: pasta with no signs of apparent distress. Now, when we
20:46
Speaker 1: talk about where they work, the mad Greek, it's a restaurant, obviously,
20:50
Speaker 1: but it's right off of the 95 highway. So if
20:53
Speaker 1: this isn't somebody that they knew, maybe it's somebody that
20:56
Speaker 1: saw them while they were working. Complete speculation, right? a
21:00
Speaker 1: truck driver, something like that. We all know that truck
21:02
Speaker 1: drivers in serial killing cases are always people that are
21:05
Speaker 1: looked at. And again, look, just to be clear, I'm
21:08
Speaker 1: not saying that this is a serial killer. I have
21:10
Speaker 1: no idea what happened here. I'll tell you the truth.
21:13
Speaker 1: When we were, again, when we were talking about those
21:15
Speaker 1: phone calls, I was convinced that that was going to
21:17
Speaker 1: lead them to, you know, the promised land where they'd
21:21
Speaker 1: find out some more information and get a handle on this.
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Speaker 2: But now, I mean, we're at square one.
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Speaker 1: Like, Where do you look for evidence here or for
21:31
Speaker 1: people who are guilty or could be guilty? They've ruled
21:34
Speaker 1: out everybody that could possibly be guilty as far as
21:38
Speaker 1: circumstantial evidence goes.
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Speaker 2: So where does that leave us?
21:43
Speaker 1: And now, look, I'm not saying by any stretch of
21:45
Speaker 1: the imagination that this is some kind of, you know,
21:48
Speaker 1: serial killer by any means. Chances are it is not.
21:52
Speaker 1: But if it is, them working at that restaurant right
21:55
Speaker 1: off of the 95, I mean... I don't know personally,
21:58
Speaker 1: but could that be a big spot where truckers come
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Speaker 1: in and get some food, hang out, take a look
22:03
Speaker 1: at what's going on? Did somebody see them while they're
22:05
Speaker 1: at work? Again, these are all the things that the
22:08
Speaker 1: police officers and the FBI agents, they're going to have
22:11
Speaker 1: to go through. So while I'm critical of the original
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Speaker 1: response of the police department, I also understand the scope
22:20
Speaker 1: of the job that they have in front of them.
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Speaker 1: This is not easy, especially when you rule out all
22:24
Speaker 1: of the low hanging fruit. If it's none of the
22:26
Speaker 1: people around them and it wasn't somebody that they were
22:29
Speaker 1: dating or had a relationship with, this becomes a whole
22:32
Speaker 1: different ball of wax and a completely different kind of
22:35
Speaker 1: case and a much more difficult case. At approximately 1.40 a.m.,
22:41
Speaker 1: Mogan and Goncalves received a ride home from a private party.
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Speaker 1: A person detectives have investigated and currently do not suspect
22:48
Speaker 1: had anything to do with the pair's homicide. So that
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Speaker 1: person's out. Jack, according to the police, he's out too.
22:55
Speaker 1: The roommates, they're not suspects. The guy at the food truck?
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Speaker 2: Nope, not him.
23:01
Speaker 1: So where does that leave us as far as the public? Now, remember,
23:04
Speaker 1: I have to add that caveat because we're not privy
23:07
Speaker 1: to what the investigators know. They might be working on
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Speaker 1: something completely different and close to finding somebody. We have
23:14
Speaker 1: no clue. But so far, what we do know, as
23:18
Speaker 1: far as the circumstantial evidence, everybody that you would think
23:21
Speaker 1: the signs point to or there might be some suspicion,
23:25
Speaker 1: they've all been ruled out. During the same time frame.
23:29
Speaker 1: Chapman and Kernodle were at a party at Sigma Chi,
23:32
Speaker 1: a fraternity house on the University of Idaho campus, until
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Speaker 1: approximately 1.45 a.m. when they returned to the King Road house. Kernodle, Mogan,
23:42
Speaker 1: and Goncalves were roommates. Chapman did not live at the house,
23:46
Speaker 1: but appeared to be staying for the night. All of
23:49
Speaker 1: the victims were members of a University of Idaho sorority
23:52
Speaker 1: or fraternity. Their bodies were found on the second and
23:55
Speaker 1: third floors of the house. So, all of them were Greek,
23:59
Speaker 1: All of them part of fraternities or sororities. So they
24:02
Speaker 1: all share that in common, right? But where does that
24:05
Speaker 1: leave us? Is there somebody who's targeting people who are
24:08
Speaker 1: in these sororities and fraternities? Certainly hasn't been any information
24:13
Speaker 1: about that. But it is significant if you're building a profile,
24:17
Speaker 1: you look at shared behaviors of victims, shared hobbies, what
24:21
Speaker 1: they were doing. So all of that is crucial for
24:24
Speaker 1: the profilers as they're building their cases. Their bodies were
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Speaker 1: found on the second and third floor of the house.
24:30
Speaker 1: They got stabbed. We got the call. I don't want
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Speaker 1: people to make assumptions about our kids. It wasn't drugs,
24:36
Speaker 1: and it was definitely not some passion thing between these kids.
24:40
Speaker 1: Someone entered the house, Stacey Chapman told the Idaho Statesman
24:43
Speaker 1: four days after her son's body was discovered. Look, I mean,
24:48
Speaker 1: I understand people want to run wild with speculation and
24:51
Speaker 1: and theories, and this, that, and the other thing, but
24:54
Speaker 1: we have to remember, these are real people we're talking about.
24:56
Speaker 1: This isn't a movie. This isn't a, you know, Hardy
25:00
Speaker 1: Boys whodunit novel. These are real people who lost their lives,
25:03
Speaker 1: and their family members read these articles, listen to content, and,
25:07
Speaker 1: you know, it's pretty sad when people are out here
25:09
Speaker 1: with crazy-ass nonsense that is just not based in fact. Like,
25:15
Speaker 1: how could you even think that this has something to
25:16
Speaker 1: do with drugs? So a college drug dealer is going
25:19
Speaker 1: to come and kill four people over what? What that
25:24
Speaker 1: signals to me is a lot of people never really
25:26
Speaker 1: went to college or if they did, they weren't part of,
25:30
Speaker 1: you know, the social circles that are partying and hanging out.
25:33
Speaker 1: College drug dealers, for the most part, they're not coming
25:36
Speaker 1: to stab you in your bed if there's some kind.
25:38
Speaker 2: Of drug debt.
25:40
Speaker 1: So that was always bizarre to me, that whole entire scenario.
25:43
Speaker 1: And that screamed to me people just reaching. And I
25:46
Speaker 1: get it. When there's a lack of facts and a
25:48
Speaker 1: lack of information, people are going to insert their own scenarios.
25:52
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm so adamant about the law enforcement
25:54
Speaker 1: officers involved being as transparent as they can without destroying
25:59
Speaker 1: the integrity of their case. Authorities estimated the time of
26:03
Speaker 1: the murders was between 3 a.m. and 4 a.m. Two
26:06
Speaker 1: additional unidentified roommates were asleep during the attack, according to
26:10
Speaker 1: Moscow police. They reportedly were out until 1 a.m., then
26:14
Speaker 1: slept until midday hours the next day. A cell phone
26:17
Speaker 1: belonging to one of the surviving roommates was used to
26:19
Speaker 1: place the initial 911 call. Police announced that detectives were
26:24
Speaker 1: recently made aware of multiple phone calls from Mogan and
26:27
Speaker 1: Goncalves to a male. That man, who remains unidentified by police,
26:32
Speaker 1: has been ruled out as a potential suspect. So, once
26:36
Speaker 1: that happened, once I saw that they ruled out the
26:38
Speaker 1: guy that they were calling, I knew that we were
26:41
Speaker 1: at square one, and that the investigation, at least as
26:44
Speaker 1: far as we know, had bupkis. And I still feel
26:48
Speaker 1: that way. I don't really believe they have anything here, folks, unfortunately.
26:52
Speaker 1: And I think it's going to be a long road
26:54
Speaker 1: to hoe. Unless, of course, the caveat to that is,
26:57
Speaker 1: unless some of this DNA evidence comes back and they
27:00
Speaker 1: get a hit on some of that stuff, then that
27:02
Speaker 1: can change everything. But if they don't get a hit
27:04
Speaker 1: on the DNA, it looks like they're at a, you know,
27:08
Speaker 1: head-hit wall point here. The Latah County Coroner's autopsy reports
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Speaker 1: showed no signs of sexual assault.
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Speaker 2: Well, there was a lot of blood, the.
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Speaker 1: Latah County Coroner, Kathy Mabbott, told the Spokane- Washington Station, KREM,
27:22
Speaker 1: last Tuesday. The lack of sexual assault usually signals that
27:26
Speaker 1: it's not some sort of, you know, serial killer per se,
27:30
Speaker 1: because usually they're into the whole sexual assault as well.
27:33
Speaker 1: But just because there wasn't any sexual assault doesn't automatically
27:37
Speaker 1: rule out that it's some kind of sick, weird serial
27:41
Speaker 1: killer type dude or just some crazy spree killer, because
27:44
Speaker 1: it could be that too. It could be somebody who's
27:47
Speaker 1: been harboring these kind of fantasies. Look, my point is,
27:50
Speaker 1: we have no idea what the hell is going on
27:52
Speaker 1: in this case. And we can speculate till the cows
27:55
Speaker 1: come home. But until we have something solid, solid evidence,
27:59
Speaker 1: some sort of solid, you know, clue from the investigation itself,
28:03
Speaker 1: we're all going to be spitballing here in the dark.
28:07
Speaker 1: It was a very sad scene. In her report, Mabbitt
28:09
Speaker 1: concluded the four victims were likely asleep when they were
28:12
Speaker 1: stabbed multiple times and some of them had defensive wounds.
28:16
Speaker 1: It's unclear how the attacker got into the home or
28:19
Speaker 1: what kind of knife was used in the stabbings. Police
28:22
Speaker 1: searched dumpsters around King Road for evidence, but uncovered nothing
28:26
Speaker 1: of value. No weapon has been found, nor has any
28:29
Speaker 1: clothing worn by the suspect thus far been located.
28:33
Speaker 2: All right.
28:33
Speaker 1: So when you think of this scene, it has to
28:35
Speaker 1: be a bloody ass scene, right? So this guy or
28:38
Speaker 1: girl or whoever must have had a lot of blood
28:40
Speaker 1: on them. Did they come prepared for that? Did they
28:43
Speaker 1: have a set of clothes on so-called murder outfit that
28:46
Speaker 1: they discarded afterwards, put in a bag, took with them?
28:51
Speaker 1: No weapon, no evidence as far as discarded clothing. Now,
28:56
Speaker 1: when you look at the spot that they were cordoning
29:00
Speaker 1: off for evidence yesterday, the behind the house spot from
29:03
Speaker 1: like the parking area, it looked like that looks like
29:06
Speaker 1: the perfect place, honestly, to stake out this house and
29:09
Speaker 1: look and look at the people, the inhabitants of the
29:12
Speaker 1: house from a pretty secluded spot. And you could like
29:15
Speaker 1: look into one of the windows, basically. So, was this
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Speaker 1: person watching the house to see when they came home? Or,
29:22
Speaker 1: even more terrifying, was this person already in the house
29:25
Speaker 1: when they got home? And waiting for them? We know
29:28
Speaker 1: there was a vacant room. Nope. So... I think that
29:57
Speaker 1: they're saying this is a targeted attack from what they
30:00
Speaker 1: have gleaned from the crime scene. The information that they've
30:03
Speaker 1: learned from the crime scene has led them to believe
30:05
Speaker 1: that this is a targeted attack. But without a suspect
30:09
Speaker 1: and without any clues, per se, at least as far
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Speaker 1: as we know, I think that's kind of a bold
30:15
Speaker 1: statement to make.
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Speaker 2: Unless, of course, again.
30:19
Speaker 1: They have something that they're not telling us and they're
30:22
Speaker 1: closer to an arrest or closer to something than we know,
30:25
Speaker 1: because that's possible, too. But it seems to me that
30:30
Speaker 1: them calling it a targeted attack, there can only be
30:32
Speaker 1: two things here.
30:33
Speaker 2: Right.
30:33
Speaker 1: Either they're right or they're wrong. So we'll have to
30:36
Speaker 1: see as this evolves and we get more information. But
30:39
Speaker 1: I don't know. At this point, I don't know. On
30:44
Speaker 1: Sunday night, Fry declined to provide an explanation as to
30:47
Speaker 1: why police think this was a targeted attack or which
30:50
Speaker 1: of the roommates they think was the primary target. He
30:53
Speaker 1: also could not offer details about a possible location of
30:57
Speaker 1: the murderer. We can't say if the person is here,
30:59
Speaker 1: Fry said.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's nice.
31:01
Speaker 1: That's comforting if you're in the community. And the whole
31:04
Speaker 1: explanation of why the police think this is targeted, I
31:08
Speaker 1: think the community deserves to know some of this information. Now,
31:12
Speaker 1: you can protect the integrity of your investigation while keeping
31:15
Speaker 1: the community informed. I think that they're going to have
31:19
Speaker 1: to find a way to do that because there's a
31:21
Speaker 1: lot of double talk here and a lot of double
31:23
Speaker 1: speak that really doesn't make sense. As a result of
31:29
Speaker 1: the uncertainty surrounding the unsolved homicides, Moscow police have been
31:32
Speaker 1: working with the Idaho State Police and the FBI to
31:36
Speaker 1: process more than 600 tips in canvas homes and businesses
31:39
Speaker 1: in Moscow for surveillance videos from the late night hours
31:43
Speaker 1: of November 12th and the early morning hours of November 13th.
31:47
Speaker 1: This should have been done the next day. The day
31:50
Speaker 1: that this happened, they should have been out there canvassing
31:53
Speaker 1: and doing all of this. During Sunday night's press conference,
31:58
Speaker 1: Will specifically asked community members to stop following or spreading rumors,
32:02
Speaker 1: arguably due to newly formed social media accounts, about the
32:06
Speaker 1: unsolved murders, spreading misinformation about suspects.
32:09
Speaker 2: Police have already ruled out. Well, I agree.
32:13
Speaker 1: People should be real careful with the nonsense. But there's
32:16
Speaker 1: some blame to be passed on to the investigation here.
32:19
Speaker 1: When you don't have transparency, you open the door to conspiracy.
32:25
Speaker 1: Classes were canceled the day after the students' bodies were found.
32:28
Speaker 1: Latah County Sheriff's Deputy Scott Mikulajic said he saw students
32:32
Speaker 1: and neighbors of the deceased getting out of Dodge and
32:35
Speaker 1: leaving Moscow a week before the university's Thanksgiving break began,
32:39
Speaker 1: the Idaho statesman reported. University of Idaho President Scott Green
32:44
Speaker 1: reiterated that he believed the murders were a targeted attack
32:47
Speaker 1: that happened in an off-campus housing. However, he acknowledged he
32:50
Speaker 1: was hearing that some students want to learn remotely until
32:54
Speaker 1: a suspect is apprehended, while others want to stay on campus.
32:58
Speaker 1: We are planning for the real possibility that some students
33:01
Speaker 1: aren't comfortable returning to campus, Green said. He publicly asked
33:05
Speaker 1: for instructors to plan for both types of student experiences. Look,
33:09
Speaker 1: if people don't want to go back to school until
33:11
Speaker 1: somebody's caught, you really can't blame them. I know if
33:14
Speaker 1: I was a parent, I certainly wouldn't have any confidence that...
33:18
Speaker 1: the police department here can keep my kids safe. Hate
33:21
Speaker 1: to say that, but it's the truth. That's what I'd
33:23
Speaker 1: be feeling right now. Until someone is arrested for the
33:27
Speaker 1: quadruple homicide, the University of Idaho campus and the city
33:30
Speaker 1: of Moscow will continue to have an increased law enforcement
33:33
Speaker 1: presence from the Idaho State Police. Green called the troopers
33:37
Speaker 1: on campus a very visible force who will remain on
33:40
Speaker 1: campus for the foreseeable future. The university is also clamping
33:44
Speaker 1: down on residence hall security, requiring that all student dorms
33:48
Speaker 1: remain locked, with only residents being granted access. And also
33:52
Speaker 1: another significant thing is this weekend coming up in Pullman,
33:56
Speaker 1: which is very, very close to Moscow, you have the
33:59
Speaker 1: biggest football game of the year. You have the Washington
34:03
Speaker 1: Huskies versus the Washington State Cougars, and it's a gigantic game.
34:08
Speaker 1: So this is, you know, 40 miles away or so
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Speaker 1: from Moscow. And there's going to be a lot going on.
34:13
Speaker 1: So I hope they're prepared for all of this. As
34:15
Speaker 1: far as we go, we're going to keep our eye
34:17
Speaker 1: on things, folks. And we'll have some more updates throughout
34:19
Speaker 1: the day. And we'll see where the lay of the
34:21
Speaker 1: land is. And as this continues to evolve, we'll continue
34:25
Speaker 1: to try and stay on top of it. All right, folks,
34:28
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34:51
Speaker 1: back to the program. We're hearing from a neighbor who...
34:57
Speaker 1: of the four murdered college students in Moscow that the
35:01
Speaker 1: front door was left wide open. Now, previously, we had
35:05
Speaker 1: heard that there was no signs of a forced entry,
35:09
Speaker 1: of a break-in, or anything like that. In fact, we
35:13
Speaker 1: never even heard about the front door being wide open.
35:16
Speaker 1: And if it was wide open, how the hell is
35:19
Speaker 1: it that the whole entire house wasn't freezing cold? Those
35:23
Speaker 1: girls on the first floor must have been freezing if
35:26
Speaker 1: this front door was left wide open in the middle
35:28
Speaker 1: of Moscow, Idaho. It's not exactly what you would call
35:32
Speaker 1: warm there, right? And from reports during the time of
35:36
Speaker 1: the killing, it was really cold that night, a lot
35:38
Speaker 1: of whipping wind. And so you would think that the
35:41
Speaker 1: whole house would be freezing cold if this door was
35:43
Speaker 1: left wide open. But the police chief, Chief Fry, is
35:48
Speaker 1: saying that he can't confirm or deny that that door
35:52
Speaker 1: was open. And he's saying that it was news to him.
35:55
Speaker 1: So let's get to this DailyMail.com article and let's see
35:59
Speaker 1: what the hell's going on here. Headline, Moscow police chief
36:04
Speaker 1: admits he did not know the front door to the
36:06
Speaker 1: house where four University of Idaho students were murdered was
36:10
Speaker 1: left open for hours. Meanwhile, the police chief says, I'm
36:16
Speaker 1: not sure where that came from. Well, it came from
36:19
Speaker 1: the neighbor, and my guess is the neighbor would have
36:21
Speaker 1: told the police this already. So either Chief Fry is
36:25
Speaker 1: playing coy, or he really didn't know that this neighbor
36:29
Speaker 1: says anyway that this door was left wide open. Now again,
36:32
Speaker 1: we have to take it with a grain of salt.
36:34
Speaker 1: We don't know. We weren't there. But that's what this
36:37
Speaker 1: neighbor is saying. This article was authored by Sean Cohen
36:44
Speaker 1: and Stephen Laporte. The police chief, where four University of
36:51
Speaker 1: Idaho students were brutally stabbed to death, appeared unaware of
36:54
Speaker 1: the report that the front door of the house was
36:57
Speaker 1: allegedly wide open hours after the killings. And how could
37:02
Speaker 1: that even be? I mean, you would think that the
37:04
Speaker 1: whole place, like I said in the opening here, would
37:06
Speaker 1: be absolutely freezing.
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Speaker 2: But I guess not.
37:10
Speaker 1: Look, this is one of those cases where you can
37:12
Speaker 1: just throw out everything that you think is normal and
37:15
Speaker 1: all of the things that usually make sense because we're
37:18
Speaker 1: in a place now where nothing makes sense and it's
37:21
Speaker 1: like we're in the upside down world or something. Speaking
37:24
Speaker 1: to DailyMail.com on Thursday at the city's Christmas parade, police
37:28
Speaker 1: chief James Fry said the report in which a neighbor
37:32
Speaker 1: noticed the door wide open at 8.30 a.m. in the
37:35
Speaker 1: morning after was news to him. So... The police chief
37:39
Speaker 1: has never heard this before? Did nobody talk to this neighbor?
37:43
Speaker 1: Did this neighbor just come up with this story afterwards?
37:47
Speaker 2: What's going on here?
37:47
Speaker 1: What do you mean nobody knows about this? Nobody heard
37:50
Speaker 1: about this? Fry could neither confirm or deny whether the
37:54
Speaker 1: door was, in fact, left open. It was previously stated
37:58
Speaker 1: the house had no visible signs of any break-in. I'm
38:02
Speaker 1: not sure where that came from, to be quite honest, Fry,
38:04
Speaker 1: chief since 2016, said. So it came from the neighbor.
38:08
Speaker 1: That's where it came from. Now, the question is, is
38:12
Speaker 1: it true or not true? Pretty simple confirm or deny here,
38:16
Speaker 1: especially if the neighbor is coming out, giving interviews and
38:19
Speaker 1: talking about it. Making pretend you don't know anything about
38:23
Speaker 1: it one way or the other. I don't think that's
38:25
Speaker 1: going to work. He told DailyMail.com he can neither confirm
38:30
Speaker 1: nor deny whether the door was in fact left open.
38:33
Speaker 1: I don't even know the answer to that one. If
38:35
Speaker 1: I did, I would probably comment on that, but I
38:38
Speaker 1: don't know the answer whether the door was open.
38:41
Speaker 2: So who does know the answer?
38:43
Speaker 1: Anyone out there? Anyone in the investigation? Going to provide
38:46
Speaker 1: some clarity here or no? The victims, three women and
38:53
Speaker 1: one man, were found on November 13th inside the student
38:56
Speaker 1: house the three women shared. The three women have been
38:59
Speaker 1: named as Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, and Zanna Kernodal. The man,
39:04
Speaker 1: Ethan Chapin, was the boyfriend of Kernodle, one of the housemates.
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Speaker 1: A neighbor said that the front door, which gives access
39:12
Speaker 1: to the floor where two of the victim's roommates were staying,
39:15
Speaker 1: was open at 8.30 a.m. on November 13th. Police have
39:19
Speaker 1: said that they believe the murders happened between 3 a.m.
39:23
Speaker 1: and 4 a.m.
39:24
Speaker 2: On that morning.
39:26
Speaker 1: Now, we also heard from another neighbor that they were
39:30
Speaker 1: awake and going through their nighttime routine at around the
39:34
Speaker 1: time of these murders. And they say they heard a scream.
39:37
Speaker 1: So now we have a neighbor who says they heard
39:39
Speaker 1: a scream. The door is left wide open to the
39:42
Speaker 1: floor where the roommates were sleeping who didn't get killed.
39:45
Speaker 1: And in fact, if this door was open and this
39:48
Speaker 1: turns out to be true, then that means the killer
39:50
Speaker 1: did access the floor where these girls were sleeping. So
39:54
Speaker 1: did they have their door locked like we talked about
39:57
Speaker 1: earlier so the killer couldn't get access to their room?
40:01
Speaker 1: This is just a wild story and it gets wilder
40:04
Speaker 1: by the article. A spokesman for the state told Fox
40:09
Speaker 1: News on Thursday that type of information is part of
40:11
Speaker 1: the investigation and not released. The Moscow Police Department said
40:16
Speaker 1: earlier it's probing the movements of Chapin and Kernodle who
40:19
Speaker 1: visited the frat house where Ethan was a member hours
40:22
Speaker 1: before the murders.
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Speaker 2: Now that's interesting.
40:25
Speaker 1: The spokesperson says that that type of information is part
40:28
Speaker 1: of the investigation and not released. But you have Chief
40:32
Speaker 1: Fry just saying a second ago that if he had
40:34
Speaker 1: that information, he'd tell you. So again, the miscommunication is
40:40
Speaker 1: coming from the actual investigation itself as well as many
40:44
Speaker 1: other quarters, but they can't even get their story straight
40:47
Speaker 1: half the time when they're trying to disseminate information to
40:51
Speaker 1: the public or giving interviews. Police believe Ethan and Zanna
40:56
Speaker 1: visited the Sigma Chi house from about 9 p.m. on
40:59
Speaker 1: November 12th until around 1.45 a.m. when they returned to
41:03
Speaker 1: Zanna's off-campus home, just a brief walk away where the
41:07
Speaker 1: murders took place. So we talked about the time gap.
41:10
Speaker 1: And now it's looking like that time gap really isn't
41:12
Speaker 1: that big of a gap as we first suspected. Looks
41:15
Speaker 1: like they hung out at the Sigma Chi house the
41:18
Speaker 1: whole entire time. So if you're going to be looking
41:21
Speaker 1: for information and what happened, the best place to start
41:24
Speaker 1: would be at the Sigma Chi house. Anyone have videos?
41:28
Speaker 1: Anyone have any live streams they were doing? All of
41:30
Speaker 1: that has to occur. The president of Sigma Chi confirmed
41:35
Speaker 1: that he had known XANA as a friend and that
41:37
Speaker 1: Ethan was a member of the frat. He said there
41:40
Speaker 1: were no cameras in the Sigma Chi house that night
41:42
Speaker 1: that might aid the investigation. So they're saying they don't
41:46
Speaker 1: have surveillance cameras at the frat house. And I don't
41:49
Speaker 1: doubt that for a minute. The last thing you want
41:51
Speaker 1: to do is have a bunch of cameras filming a
41:54
Speaker 1: bunch of 18, 19, 20-year-old dudes shotgunning beers and acting
41:59
Speaker 1: the fool. So I doubt there would be cameras at
42:02
Speaker 1: all as far as surveillance. But as far as kids
42:05
Speaker 1: live streaming, taking video, you know that's happening. All of
42:09
Speaker 1: these kids are, you know, live streaming their whole lives
42:12
Speaker 1: these days. So there has to be video footage. Someone
42:16
Speaker 1: has to have some footage of what went on in
42:19
Speaker 1: that house that night, at that party, afterwards, whatever. So
42:23
Speaker 1: that's what the police are really looking for. And my
42:25
Speaker 1: guess is some of the people that were there were
42:28
Speaker 1: probably getting down, doing some drugs, some blow or something, maybe, whatever, partying.
42:33
Speaker 1: And they don't want to get in trouble for that.
42:35
Speaker 1: So they haven't come forward. And you see that quite
42:38
Speaker 1: a bit with younger people. They don't want to have
42:40
Speaker 1: their name dragged into something like this so they don't
42:43
Speaker 1: come forward. Meanwhile, they might have a little bit of
42:45
Speaker 1: crucial information that helps the investigation move forward. So it's
42:50
Speaker 1: up to the investigators to let these kids know, look,
42:52
Speaker 1: you're not going to get in trouble if you come forward,
42:55
Speaker 1: you know, if you were doing some drugs or partying,
42:57
Speaker 1: whatever it is. Ethan and Zanna, who were dating, were
43:02
Speaker 1: stabbed to death along with their roommates, Kaylee Gonsalves and
43:05
Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, in the home they shared, likely while they
43:09
Speaker 1: were sleeping. Police still have no suspects and no murder weapon.
43:14
Speaker 1: Earlier appeals to the public had focused on Kaylee and
43:17
Speaker 1: Madison's activities on the night of the murders, which involved
43:20
Speaker 1: stops at a sports bar and a food truck. That
43:24
Speaker 1: actually seems to be one of the larger areas that
43:26
Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of information in. Idaho State
43:29
Speaker 1: Police Communication Director Aaron Snell told Good Morning America of
43:34
Speaker 1: Ethan and Zanna's movements on November 12th. So being able
43:37
Speaker 1: to locate what they did that night to maybe who
43:39
Speaker 1: they contacted, maybe any routes they took home, that would
43:43
Speaker 1: be important to the investigation, he added. So now we
43:46
Speaker 1: know that they didn't go anywhere. They were at the
43:48
Speaker 1: Sigma Chi house for the duration of this time, according
43:52
Speaker 1: to all reports. Meanwhile, tensions grew further between investigators and
44:01
Speaker 1: the families of the victims who have spoken out in frustrations.
44:04
Speaker 1: about the failure to identify a suspect. Kaylee's father, Stephen,
44:08
Speaker 1: previously told News Nation's Brian Enten that police had told
44:12
Speaker 1: him her injuries were worse than the other victims, but
44:15
Speaker 1: didn't go into detail. Moscow police contradicted that remark in
44:20
Speaker 1: their new statement, saying, with the active criminal investigation, law
44:24
Speaker 1: enforcement has not released additional facts to the family or
44:27
Speaker 1: the public. So here's where the dueling narratives come in, right? Mr.
44:31
Speaker 1: Gonsalves is saying one thing, and Chief Fry and the
44:35
Speaker 1: investigators are saying something completely different. There have been statements
44:41
Speaker 1: and speculation about this case, victims' injuries, cause of death,
44:44
Speaker 1: evidence collection and processing, and investigative techniques, the statement added. However,
44:50
Speaker 1: we firmly believe speculation and unvetted information is a disservice
44:54
Speaker 1: to the victims, their family, and our community, it continued.
44:58
Speaker 1: echoing a refrain from prior statements as the small-town department
45:02
Speaker 1: leading the investigation has come under increasing criticism. The Moscow
45:07
Speaker 1: Police Department is committed to providing information whenever possible, but
45:12
Speaker 1: not at the expense of compromising the investigation and prosecution,
45:17
Speaker 1: the department said. And I think most people understand that.
45:21
Speaker 1: Of course, there's always going to be a vocal few
45:24
Speaker 1: who are out there yelling and screaming about how they
45:26
Speaker 1: should have all of the information that the investigation has.
45:30
Speaker 1: But really, we're not privy to any of that. And
45:33
Speaker 1: as long as they're making their moves behind the scenes
45:36
Speaker 1: to bring somebody to justice, I don't care if we
45:39
Speaker 1: know ever what they were doing behind the scenes. See,
45:43
Speaker 1: here's point A and here's point B. I want you
45:46
Speaker 1: to get from point A to point B. And I'm
45:48
Speaker 1: not really too concerned about all of the nonsense in between.
45:51
Speaker 1: Just get me to the destination and get an arrest here.
45:55
Speaker 1: I don't need to have my curiosity satiated. What I
45:59
Speaker 1: want is somebody to be arrested and for these families
46:03
Speaker 1: to get some justice, for the community to be able
46:06
Speaker 1: to go back to at least some relative normalcy, and
46:10
Speaker 1: for the person or persons responsible to have to pay
46:13
Speaker 1: the ultimate price. Police also said they looked into the
46:18
Speaker 1: theory that Kaylee had a stalker. As they continued to
46:21
Speaker 1: search for answers, three weeks after four University of Idaho
46:24
Speaker 1: students were murdered at their off-campus house on November 13th.
46:30
Speaker 1: Police said that in mid-October, two males appeared to follow
46:32
Speaker 1: Kaylee inside the local Moscow business and then followed her
46:36
Speaker 1: out to her car, but made no contact. After speaking
46:40
Speaker 1: with the two males, police determined, it to be an
46:42
Speaker 1: isolated incident and said there was no evidence to suggest
46:46
Speaker 1: they were involved in the murders. Again, these were two
46:49
Speaker 1: dudes out trolling for some ladies, trying to, you know,
46:53
Speaker 1: pick up on girls. They see two good-looking girls come in,
46:56
Speaker 1: one good-looking girl come in. Of course these dudes are
46:59
Speaker 1: going to take their shot. Now, does that make them
47:01
Speaker 1: stalkers or something like that? Certainly not in my opinion,
47:05
Speaker 1: at least not from what we have seen so far.
47:07
Speaker 1: If there's other information, great. But as far as what
47:10
Speaker 1: we've seen here, the evidence... If you want to call
47:12
Speaker 1: it that, well, certainly doesn't look like these are stalkers
47:15
Speaker 1: to me. The male turned away from her and it
47:19
Speaker 1: did not appear he made contact with her, police said.
47:22
Speaker 1: Police did not say what business the incident occurred at.
47:25
Speaker 1: Police contacted both males and learned that the two were
47:28
Speaker 1: attempting to meet women at the business, which was corroborated
47:32
Speaker 1: through additional investigation. Police also revealed on Monday there was
47:37
Speaker 1: no evidence found on Gonsalves' dog, Murphy, who was found
47:40
Speaker 1: at the scene. It has not yet been determined what
47:42
Speaker 1: room the dog was in when the murders took place.
47:46
Speaker 1: So there was a lot of talk about that at first.
47:48
Speaker 1: Is the dog going to get processed? Does the dog
47:50
Speaker 1: have evidence on him? All of that stuff. And those
47:53
Speaker 1: are all valid questions and all valid concerns because the
47:56
Speaker 1: dog could have had evidence on him. But they did
47:58
Speaker 1: process the dog and now the dog is back with
48:02
Speaker 1: the ex-boyfriend. During the search of the home, a dog
48:07
Speaker 1: was found in a room where the crimes had not
48:09
Speaker 1: been committed, according to the release. Officers did not find
48:13
Speaker 1: any evidence on the dog, and there was no indication
48:16
Speaker 1: that the animal had entered the crime scene. The dog
48:19
Speaker 1: was taken to the animal services and released to a
48:21
Speaker 1: responsible person. Three weeks after the grisly murders, few answers
48:26
Speaker 1: have come out, and authorities have yet to name a
48:29
Speaker 1: suspect or even a person of interest in the case. Now, Again,
48:34
Speaker 1: we're not that deep into it yet. But when you
48:37
Speaker 1: look at a case like this, usually if it's somebody
48:40
Speaker 1: close to the person who has been killed, we already
48:42
Speaker 1: have a bit of a sniff as to who it
48:45
Speaker 1: might be, what the motive is. But here we have nothing. Now,
48:50
Speaker 1: when I say we, I mean the public. What the
48:53
Speaker 1: investigators have, well, that's a whole different conversation. But so far,
48:56
Speaker 1: what we have seen is literally nothing. Kaylee and Madison
49:03
Speaker 1: were sleeping on the third floor and Zanna and Ethan
49:05
Speaker 1: were on the second floor. Cops said the killer entered
49:08
Speaker 1: the house through a sliding glass door on the second floor,
49:11
Speaker 1: which was level with the backyard. Now, I haven't heard
49:14
Speaker 1: the cops say that again.
49:15
Speaker 2: I want to reiterate.
49:16
Speaker 1: I haven't heard the official report of the cops saying.
49:20
Speaker 1: he came in or she came in or they came
49:22
Speaker 1: in through the sliding glass door. And now we're hearing
49:25
Speaker 1: from the neighbor about the front door being open. I
49:28
Speaker 1: have to leave this one as unsolved still. We don't
49:31
Speaker 1: know what happened here yet, where they came in, where
49:34
Speaker 1: they left, point of entry.
49:35
Speaker 2: Point of exit. All of that is unconfirmed.
49:42
Speaker 1: Two other roommates were in the house but were unharmed
49:45
Speaker 1: and unaware the attack occurred. They were sleeping on the
49:48
Speaker 1: first floor. Detectives have sifted through more than 2,645 email tips, 2,770
49:55
Speaker 1: phone tips, and 1,084 digital media submissions, according to the
50:01
Speaker 1: most recent update. We believe someone has information that will
50:05
Speaker 1: add context to the picture investigators are creating of what
50:08
Speaker 1: occurred that evening, Moscow police said in a statement on Monday.
50:12
Speaker 1: Our focus is the investigation, not the activities. Your information,
50:17
Speaker 1: whether you believe it is significant or not, might be
50:19
Speaker 1: one of the puzzle pieces that helps.
50:21
Speaker 2: Solve these murders.
50:23
Speaker 1: Last week, Idaho State Police spokesman Aaron Snell told DailyMail.com
50:28
Speaker 1: that it's possible all four victims could have been intended
50:31
Speaker 1: targets of the gruesome November 13th stabbings. He confirmed investigators
50:37
Speaker 1: have gathered enough evidence to suggest the killings were targeted...
50:40
Speaker 1: but admitted they are still no closer to identifying the murderer.
50:45
Speaker 1: And I don't think they are any closer. I don't
50:47
Speaker 1: think that the people who are saying, oh, they have
50:49
Speaker 1: somebody in their sights behind the scenes. They have somebody
50:52
Speaker 1: that they're zeroing in on.
50:53
Speaker 2: I don't believe that.
50:55
Speaker 1: I think that the only thing they have so far
50:58
Speaker 1: is this white Hyundai Elantra.
50:59
Speaker 2: And they got that from a tip, by the way.
51:04
Speaker 1: The update on Monday stated, we have not changed our
51:07
Speaker 1: belief that the murders were a targeted attack. However, Investigators
51:11
Speaker 1: have not concluded if the target was the residents or
51:14
Speaker 1: its occupants. Autopsies determined the four students were stabbed to death,
51:19
Speaker 1: likely with a fixed blade knife, and investigators checked with
51:22
Speaker 1: local stores to see if any sold military-style knives recently.
51:27
Speaker 1: And that search for those knives or that knife, that
51:30
Speaker 1: didn't bear any fruit. There were no stores that sold
51:33
Speaker 1: one recently, nothing local, so the police really have nothing
51:36
Speaker 1: to go on as far as that goes. And when
51:38
Speaker 1: you're talking about a knife like that, you could buy
51:40
Speaker 1: them online, surplus store, million places you could get that.
51:45
Speaker 1: Buy it on Craigslist, you know, so it's not like
51:47
Speaker 1: it's a rare weapon. So the police are looking for
51:51
Speaker 1: this knife, obviously, because it can connect the killer. So
51:54
Speaker 1: they want to have the murder weapon for sure. But
51:56
Speaker 1: as of now, nothing. No murder weapon, no suspect. All
52:00
Speaker 1: we have to go on as the public, as far
52:03
Speaker 1: as a lead, is that white Hyundai Elantra. And there
52:07
Speaker 1: you have it, folks. That's where we're at as of
52:09
Speaker 1: right now, as of this morning. As more information becomes available,
52:13
Speaker 1: I'll add it to the catalog, and we'll stay on
52:16
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52:19
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52:24
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