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FITNESS-MOM MISSY BEVERS BLUDGEONED DEAD IN CREEKSIDE: Unsolved · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Exercise mom Missy Beavers stabbed dead with multiple puncture wounds
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Speaker 2: to the head and chest inside the local church. The
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Speaker 2: mom of three arrives around four a m. To teach
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Speaker 2: anaerobics class. Surveillance video actually catches her killer disguised in
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Speaker 2: full swat gear, and after watching the video, police suggest
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Speaker 2: the killer has an injured right foot. An unnamed male
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Speaker 2: colleague has his trash sifted through. But why Cops bring
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Speaker 2: in advanced stingray equipment to capture the killer's cell phone data,
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Speaker 2: but still no arrest. Who killed exercise mom? Missy Beaver's
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Speaker 2: good evening. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 2: you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Fitness instructor. Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the
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Speaker 3: early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas church.
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Speaker 4: The suspect captured on the Greeny surveillance video is still unidentified.
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Speaker 2: Wow, who killed Missy Beavers? After eight years, still no arrest.
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Speaker 2: First of all, listen.
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Speaker 5: To this first time surveillance captured the suspect on video
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Speaker 5: was about ten minutes before four am. Miss Beavers arrived
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Speaker 5: at about four sixteen in the parking lot and entered
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Speaker 5: the church immediately a few minutes later she was inside
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Speaker 5: the church, not realizing the intruder was already inside, and
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Speaker 5: shortly thereafter she was murdered inside of the church.
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Speaker 2: Who is intent on committing a murder at four o'clock
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Speaker 2: in the morning? Who lay in wait for exercise mom,
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Speaker 2: Missy Beavers?
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Speaker 1: This could not have been random?
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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we know right now. But first to Scott Brooks,
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Speaker 2: publisher for the walksahatchieesun dot com. Scott, thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us bring us all up today. For those
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Speaker 2: that don't recall the murder on Missy Beavers, what happened well.
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Speaker 6: Early on a Monday morning corn down rain.
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Speaker 7: Missy was set up as usual to do her routines
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Speaker 7: or her class in a parking.
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Speaker 6: Lot of a local church on what is usually.
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Speaker 7: A busy highway between Waksahachim and looked in and given
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Speaker 7: that it was raining, she went inside to set up
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Speaker 7: and that's when she was killed.
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Speaker 6: That was only eighteenth, twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 7: I was sure, as the head of the local media
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Speaker 7: company then that whoever did it would be called within
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Speaker 7: maybe hours or days but here we are eight years
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Speaker 7: later and still completely unsolved. As far as I'm concerned,
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Speaker 7: it just continues to be a bit of a cluster
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Speaker 7: of a mess in terms of solving this case.
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Speaker 1: That's one way to put it.
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Speaker 2: Over three thousand tips of come in on Missy Beaver's murder.
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Speaker 2: She leaves home in the early morning hour, still dark outside,
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Speaker 2: and she sends out a group text telling everybody, Hey,
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Speaker 2: we're still exercising gladiator style this morning, even though it's raining.
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Speaker 1: We're moving our class indoors.
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Speaker 2: And she goes in around four point fifteen am to
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Speaker 2: set up who in the hay is out in the
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Speaker 2: rain entering that church waiting for Missy Beaver's Listen.
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Speaker 5: As you probably already know, this case weighs very heavily
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Speaker 5: on us, our investigative team, our department. We know that
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Speaker 5: the community is hurting as well well. Committee to identifying
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Speaker 5: the person A person's responsible for Missy's death.
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Speaker 3: We're not going to rest until we do so.
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Speaker 2: Joining us now In addition to Scott Brooks from the
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Speaker 2: Walks of House, She's son is Renee Jones. Renee is
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Speaker 2: Missy's dear friend and coworker. Renee, thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us as the pass and Missy's case is still unsolved.
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Speaker 1: What goes through your mind?
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Speaker 8: You're constantly trying to figure out who did it? Was
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Speaker 8: the car involved? Are the resources that we have enough?
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Speaker 8: You look at the facts, and although the facts are there,
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Speaker 8: the evidence is not. We know, like you said, we
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Speaker 8: know what times you arrived, we know what time the
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Speaker 8: perpetrator was in the church. But what we don't know
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Speaker 8: is who is this person, how did they arrive, did
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Speaker 8: the ultimate at the Swafa have anything to do with it?
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Speaker 8: And how did they get away without even being seen?
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Speaker 2: So many of the facts were out there in the
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Speaker 2: first months following Missy's murder. For instance, we see the perpetrator, Renee,
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Speaker 2: we know it had to be targeted. Who else would
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Speaker 2: be in the Midlothian church at that time of the day,
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Speaker 2: dressed in this get up, not looking for anything to steal,
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Speaker 2: just wandering around, wandering around until bam, they nearly collide
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Speaker 2: with Missy Beavers and then stab her dead. It's so
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Speaker 2: obvious to me, Renee, and we've looked at all the
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Speaker 2: usual suspects, many of them ruled out.
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Speaker 1: Who is this person? Renee? Do you believe it's a
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Speaker 1: man or a woman.
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Speaker 8: My gut kind of tells me it's a woman, and
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Speaker 8: I tend to rely on that a lot, but at
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Speaker 8: the end of the day, it could be man. You know,
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Speaker 8: it's really tough.
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Speaker 2: Joining us is forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 2: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 2: and star of a hit series podcast Bodybags with Joe
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Speaker 2: Scott Morgan. Joe Scott, you and I have poured over
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Speaker 2: the evidence in this case, and when you look at
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Speaker 2: the perp walking through the hall okay testing he she
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Speaker 2: doesn't even know what they're there for, obviously, so they're
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Speaker 2: clearly not coming here to steal anything. I mean, who
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Speaker 2: singles out the creekside in Lothian Church at four o'clock
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Speaker 2: in the morning for Pete's sake? I guarantee you what
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Speaker 2: they're looking for. It's where is Missy Beaver's going to
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Speaker 2: have her indoor class. That's what they're looking for. But
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Speaker 2: the person is slew footed, in other words, without deviation.
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Speaker 2: The right foot goes outward with every step. We know
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Speaker 2: the height, we know the approximate weight, We know that
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Speaker 2: this type of murder is typically committed by a man.
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Speaker 2: We know it's got to be somebody within that area
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Speaker 2: or arranged by someone in that area.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, what more can be done for Pete's sake?
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Speaker 9: I tell you this, the person that perpetrated this crime
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Speaker 9: had an awareness of that environment so much to the
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Speaker 9: point that they felt the need to cover their face,
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Speaker 9: so they knew that they would be in amongst cameras
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Speaker 9: with video surveillance. And here's another thing for me as
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Speaker 9: a former investigator, the idea of the timing. I don't
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Speaker 9: know about you, you know, but you know the idea
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Speaker 9: of getting up at this time of day lies kind
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Speaker 9: of outside the norm for most people, and that you
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Speaker 9: have to meet up there before she is arriving. So
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Speaker 9: this requires quite a bit of planning. I think that
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Speaker 9: that's rather obvious, and just to get this rig on
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Speaker 9: this person has, however they went about purchasing it. However
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Speaker 9: they went about acquiring it is going to be time
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Speaker 9: consuming as well. Did they do it out in the
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Speaker 9: parking lot. Did they do it at home, in the
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Speaker 9: safety of their home so that they could just hop
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Speaker 9: in the car and go. I think that those are
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Speaker 9: big indicators here.
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Speaker 1: The time of the day.
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Speaker 2: Even the weather outside suggests this was a targeted murder.
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Speaker 10: Listen, mid Lothian, Texas is having some severe weather, not
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Speaker 10: severe enough to prevent mother of three, Missy Beavers, early
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Speaker 10: morning fitness class. As she posts on Facebook, if it's raining,
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Speaker 10: we're still training. No excuses, you are gladiators, Missy informed students.
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Speaker 10: Because of the rain, they will be training inside the
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Speaker 10: church rather than the parking lot.
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Speaker 2: To Scott Brooks, joining US president, publisher walks out, how
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Speaker 2: she's son, Scott, She was in the peak. She was
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Speaker 2: at the peak of her physical powers. When she says
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Speaker 2: gladiator class, she minute, do you see those biceps on her?
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Speaker 2: My point is she could fight back Scott Brooks.
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Speaker 6: Yes, there's no question about it.
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Speaker 7: Missy was known in our community or her gladiator work.
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Speaker 6: In addition to being a mom and I'm just a
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Speaker 6: good person. She was a gladiator as you just said,
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Speaker 6: and took this stuff really.
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Speaker 1: Serious, Scott Brooks. At the time.
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Speaker 2: Of course, at the time of a homicide, all the
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Speaker 2: dirty laundry comes out. Just because there may have been
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Speaker 2: marital issues does not mean the husband is guilty. As
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Speaker 2: a matter of fact, her husband was, as I recall
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Speaker 2: on a gambling cruise with a group of his friends,
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Speaker 2: kind of a trip they did every year, which makes
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Speaker 2: me also think the killer knew the husband would be gone.
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Speaker 1: Of course, maybe did he plant? Did he hi hitman? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: anything's possible.
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Speaker 2: But no evidence that of that has ever emerged, even
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Speaker 2: though investigators have searched. Of course they looked the husband, lover,
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Speaker 2: boyfriend exs always the first suspect.
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Speaker 1: He was not in town or even in state.
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Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to figure out what your thoughts
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Speaker 2: are on the marital problems because it opens up a
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Speaker 2: whole Pandora's box. If Missy Beavers had a boyfriend, did
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Speaker 2: the boyfriend's wife or girlfriend know? I mean, there's so
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Speaker 2: many avenues to investigate Scott.
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Speaker 7: The rumors have been from the absurd to the just
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Speaker 7: level of vicious, and.
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Speaker 6: I don't know any of those to be true. I
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Speaker 6: believe in.
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Speaker 7: What Brandon has shared these years, and most recently two
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Speaker 7: months ago in a two part series interview with me,
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Speaker 7: he continues to reinforce, at least in my mind, that
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Speaker 7: he has nothing to do with Missy's murder, and both he.
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Speaker 6: And his father, who was kind of dragged into this
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Speaker 6: as a possible suspect. His father was in San Diego
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Speaker 6: at the time.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I recall that with the blood on the sure
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Speaker 2: that was taken to the laundry and it turned out
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Speaker 2: to be shihuahuah blood or something like that, it was
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Speaker 2: not human blood.
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Speaker 1: Guys, you're right.
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Speaker 2: The husband was on a fishing trip, a trip he
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Speaker 2: took annually. Which makes me wonder was someone reading Missy
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Speaker 2: Beaver's text to say a boyfriend, an alleged boyfriend, because
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Speaker 2: I don't want to go down the road with dragging
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Speaker 2: her through the mud. But in a murder investigation All's
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Speaker 2: Fair Crime Stories with Nancy Greece, did someone read a
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Speaker 2: text or an email from Missy saying my husband's going
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Speaker 2: to be gone. I'm curious and this is what we know.
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Speaker 2: Back to you, Joe, Scott and Morgan. Hey, let me
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Speaker 2: throw this to Tom Smith joining us, former NYPD detective,
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Speaker 2: co host of gold Shields podcast, and you can find
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Speaker 2: him at the gold Shields Show.
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Speaker 1: This is what we've learned.
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Speaker 2: Now we all know how the FBI can determine a
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Speaker 2: height and weight of purp caught on video.
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Speaker 1: They look at the.
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Speaker 2: Purp, say, standing in a doorway, then they go to
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Speaker 2: that doorway, they measure let's just say, that fire extinguisher cabinet.
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Speaker 1: To your left. They go there and they.
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Speaker 2: Measure where the purp the height of that fire extinguisher,
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Speaker 2: and they can determine the height of the purp standing
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Speaker 2: beside it. See what I mean right there. That's just
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Speaker 2: one example. It's fairly easy to do. It takes a minute,
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Speaker 2: but we know the killer is between five to two
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Speaker 2: and five eight. They predominantly walk sleugh footed with their
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Speaker 2: toes pointed outward. Look, they're not there to steal anything.
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Speaker 2: Watch the gate watch this purp. Man or woman. Don't
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Speaker 2: know so, Tom Smith, you've watched this over and over
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Speaker 2: and over.
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Speaker 11: My initial thought was that it was a mail And
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Speaker 11: then the more I looked at it, the more I
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Speaker 11: looked at certain traits that were going on in the video,
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Speaker 11: I am comfortable thinking it's a female because of just
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Speaker 11: the walk. And the one thing that really stood out
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Speaker 11: to me was in one particular part of the video,
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Speaker 11: she uses the hammer to break a window. Now, not
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Speaker 11: that females can wield a hammer like a male, but
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Speaker 11: just the way she hit one of the windows did
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Speaker 11: it for me that it was a female. Just the
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Speaker 11: kind of the way she did it is what triggered
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Speaker 11: it for me.
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Speaker 1: You may like you throw a ball like a girl.
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Speaker 1: Is that when you're trying to say, go ahead and
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Speaker 1: put it out there. I don't care something like.
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Speaker 11: That, you know. And it's nothing against anybody, but just
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Speaker 11: an observation of the way, you know, she hit one
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Speaker 11: of the windows.
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Speaker 12: I got another phone call from the scene from a
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Speaker 12: female Midlothian officer and she said that Missy's no longer
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Speaker 12: with us and I didn't know.
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Speaker 7: You did register that She meant like Missy had died.
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Speaker 12: It absolutely registered.
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Speaker 4: The suspect was seen wearing police want tactical gear, including
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Speaker 4: a black helmet and a vest with the word police
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Speaker 4: across the front.
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Speaker 2: And I agree with Tom Smith, former NYPD the whole
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Speaker 2: looking in windows and pulling up cabinets, that was all
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Speaker 2: for show, just waiting for Missy Beavers to walk in.
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Speaker 2: And earlier Scott Brooks interviewing Missy's husband. Again, he was
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Speaker 2: way out of state at the time Missy was murdered.
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Speaker 2: And unless there's some intricate hitman plot that has never
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Speaker 2: been able to be deciphered, he didn't do it.
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Speaker 1: So where does it leave us?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody would find it really easy to put it
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Speaker 2: on the husband. Not this time, shocker. It's not always
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Speaker 2: the husband. Now, this is what we know. According to
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Speaker 2: a search warrant there was she released by l E
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Speaker 2: Law Enforcement in mid Lothian. We now know Missy Beavers
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Speaker 2: was allegedly having marital and financial struggles at the time
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Speaker 2: of her death and believed to be in an intimate
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Speaker 2: relationship external to the marriage.
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Speaker 1: That's what the documents say.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us, a renowned psychoanalyst, joining us
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Speaker 2: out of LA her new book, deal Breaker, went to
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Speaker 2: work on a relationship and when to walk away, Doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. How many times have
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Speaker 2: I heard a defense attorney say every adulterer is not
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Speaker 2: a killer. But I can tell you this, doctor Bethany,
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Speaker 2: reverse that. Think about it.
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Speaker 1: Flip it. When you have a murder that.
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Speaker 2: Is in the middle of an affair, I find it
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Speaker 2: really hard to believe that the killer is not somehow
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Speaker 2: in that mix. I'm not saying the husband. Okay, I've
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Speaker 2: put him away. He's on a shelf. He's on a
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Speaker 2: suspect in my mind right now. I can revisit him
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Speaker 2: later because he's at a state. To this day, nothing
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Speaker 2: has been uncovered regarding a plot that he arranged the murder. Okay,
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Speaker 2: so step back, think who else in that a fair circle,
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Speaker 2: A wife, a girlfriend, an ex help me, thank Dr
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Speaker 2: Bethany the dynamic here.
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Speaker 13: Let's go back to the perp for a second man
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Speaker 13: or woman. We know that this person has a mix
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Speaker 13: of masculine and feminine traits, so that narrows the pool
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Speaker 13: just a little bit. Right there. The person is wearing
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Speaker 13: tactical gear, which suggests that the purp gravitates towards positions
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Speaker 13: of power. And we know that people who are sociopathic
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Speaker 13: love they love power, so that narrows the pool just
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Speaker 13: a little bit too. And then we extend it out
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Speaker 13: to this possible affair. It does sort of help us
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Speaker 13: to cast a wider net around people who might have
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Speaker 13: been preoccupied with Missy if she was having an affair
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Speaker 13: with a man, a man's girlfriend, a man's wife, a
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Speaker 13: jealous coworker. Love triangles are at the heart of homicides
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Speaker 13: very very often. We also know that the perk was
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Speaker 13: probably not somebody who attended her fitness class, because if
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Speaker 13: he was, he or she was limping or pronating to
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Speaker 13: the right, and the purp looks kind of overweight, unless
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Speaker 13: this is very puffy tactical gear. This is not somebody
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Speaker 13: who looks very fit. So it takes it away from
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Speaker 13: the fitness world, somebody who could have developed a preoccupation
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Speaker 13: with her, somebody who was in her class, and it
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Speaker 13: puts into the world of intimate relationships, because, Nancy, it's
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Speaker 13: in the context of intimate relationships that homicides occur most often.
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Speaker 13: I'm not talking about the husband, but think about it.
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Speaker 13: In our most intimate relationships that we feel despair, rage, betrayal, angers.
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Speaker 13: So this person, I think was leaked in some way
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Speaker 13: emotionally to Missy or emotionally to the a fair person.
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Speaker 2: Okay, wait a minute, are you trying to sell me
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Speaker 2: on the idea that it was one of the women
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Speaker 2: in her class and not connected to the love triangle.
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Speaker 13: No, I said the opposite. It's not somebody in her
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Speaker 13: class because this person does not look fit.
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Speaker 2: How can you tell that they're garbed and you know
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Speaker 2: they might as well be wearing a burka.
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Speaker 1: I can't tell anything in that. We don't even know
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Speaker 1: as a man or a woman. What is that?
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Speaker 13: I don't know Nancy, this person just doesn't look like
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Speaker 13: a paragon of health. I can't even tell you.
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Speaker 1: Why, Okayne.
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Speaker 2: You know, Bethany, I respected you up until you said that,
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Speaker 2: because you're asking, you're telling me you don't think it
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Speaker 2: is somebody in their exercise class.
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Speaker 1: Because somebody that's.
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Speaker 2: Totally swathed in a want outfit, you can tell they're
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Speaker 2: not fit. You think everybody in an exercise class is fit.
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Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that's not true.
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Speaker 13: And Nancy, did you see pictures of Missy doing the
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Speaker 13: lunges with the kettlebell. I mean this woman was fit.
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Speaker 6: She was fit.
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Speaker 1: I know her. I'm talking about the you know what,
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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on.
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Speaker 2: I did not expect your answer to be that what
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Speaker 2: I'm hearing. Renee Jones joining me. This is Missy Beaver's
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Speaker 2: friend and co worker. Were you familiar with her exercise class?
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Speaker 6: Absolutely?
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Speaker 7: I was.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely I was.
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Speaker 8: And to be quite honest, Nancy, our training guidelines were
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Speaker 8: to train to the masses. Our ultimate goal, even personally,
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Speaker 8: was to impact as many lives as possible in as
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Speaker 8: many places as possible.
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Speaker 2: I find it really hard to believe, Renee, that anyone
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Speaker 2: in her exercise class that she was teaching her gladiator class.
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Speaker 2: Is you know, a better way to put it, killed her.
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Speaker 2: I mean there may have been some jealousy or some
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Speaker 2: resentment of some sort.
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Speaker 1: I don't see it.
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Speaker 2: Always looked up to my fitness instructors, But I don't
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Speaker 2: see that at all.
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Speaker 1: I don't think that's the right direction.
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Speaker 8: I have to agree simply because the environment in the
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Speaker 8: culture that's created and was created in those camps was
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Speaker 8: one of family oriented, it was one of change, it
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Speaker 8: was one of faith.
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Speaker 2: Much has been made of the fact that Missy advertised
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Speaker 2: the date, time, and location of her class online.
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Speaker 1: Now you would think that that could.
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Speaker 2: Attract hundreds of crazy pervs. But remember we're talking about Midlothian,
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Speaker 2: Texas with a very very small population, very very rural.
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Speaker 2: So who was looking at Missy Beaver's posting. Who knew
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Speaker 2: she would be inside that day as opposed to all
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Speaker 2: other days when she held her class outside? Was someone
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Speaker 2: waiting for the moment?
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Speaker 1: Joining me an all star panel.
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Speaker 2: I want to go to Joe Scott Morgan joining US
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Speaker 2: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University with an incredible criminal procedure
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Speaker 2: and forensic program. Joe Scott, Let's talk about the mode
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Speaker 2: of murder, Okay, multiple puncture wounds to the face, the head,
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Speaker 2: and the chest. Now, as much as it seems to me,
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Speaker 2: someone five to two potentially to five eight with that gate,
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Speaker 2: with the matter of breaking the glass that Tom Smith,
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Speaker 2: NYPD detective described, I think it would be a woman.
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Speaker 2: But the mode of murder, stabbing her in the face
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Speaker 2: and the chest is more of a mail a typical
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Speaker 2: mail attack.
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Speaker 9: This is an attempt I think at least to greatly
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Speaker 9: damage and disfigure her. Nancy, dear, and we're saying stab,
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Speaker 9: but these are punctures, which is completely different type of insult.
22:14
Speaker 9: When you're talking about a puncture wound, imagine somebody being
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Speaker 9: driven through with a piece of rebar or a pole
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Speaker 9: or something like that. And that's what we're dealing with.
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Speaker 9: This instrument that they're talking about here, This hammer as
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Speaker 9: it's been framed, is quite interesting because you can have
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Speaker 9: puncture wounds that are created by a claw hammer if
22:36
Speaker 9: you use the claw ind it could also be a
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Speaker 9: geology hammer, which has actually a spike on one end
22:43
Speaker 9: of it a normal hammer on the other side. But
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Speaker 9: these are outliers, Nancy, in our field. When you talk
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Speaker 9: about death by hammer We hear a lot about these
22:53
Speaker 9: over the years, but they don't happen with great frequency.
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Speaker 9: And what's fascinating about this is that this person goes
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Speaker 9: to all the trail to dress up as a cop,
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Speaker 9: to maybe present themselves as a police officer. But they
23:05
Speaker 9: don't show up with a firearm, Nancy. They show up
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Speaker 9: with a hammer to use for a lethal instrument. Why
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Speaker 9: that that's very very intimate, Nancy. This ranks right up
23:18
Speaker 9: there with stab wounds and other bludgeoning types of desks,
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Speaker 9: very up close and personal.
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Speaker 2: Scott Brooks joining us for the Max hoche Son. Scott,
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Speaker 2: what is a theory regarding the murder weapon?
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Speaker 6: Well, I'll tell you this, and I've never really said.
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Speaker 7: This before publicly, but I would, given the sources that
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Speaker 7: we have, and they're confidential, I would bet my mortgage
23:42
Speaker 7: that Missy was killed with the screw and that while
23:47
Speaker 7: the medical exanitor says puncture wounds, we do see the
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Speaker 7: portrator walking around with the hammer. We can't tell what's
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Speaker 7: on both sides of that hammer. But what I can strongly.
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Speaker 6: Conform is that Missy was killed with a screwdriver. And
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Speaker 6: I don't know if you wanted to be any more
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Speaker 6: vivid than that, but that was that was the room,
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Speaker 6: the method of murder.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Scott Brooks, why are you saying screwdriver versus hammer?
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Speaker 7: Because of the that we had that stalled Missy's body
24:25
Speaker 7: within hours after her death.
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Speaker 2: Joining us now special guest doctor Michael Nirrenberg, podiatrists physician
24:32
Speaker 2: and surgeon, forensic pediatrist who was called in all this investigation,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Nienburgh, thank you so much for being with us.
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Speaker 14: Well, thank you Nancy for having me.
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Speaker 2: How did you get involved in the Missy Beaver's murder investigation?
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Speaker 6: I think it was.
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Speaker 14: Someone from the Midloleian Police Department and after that I
24:57
Speaker 14: ended up conversing mostly with an FBI agent or several
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Speaker 14: FBI agents on the case.
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Speaker 1: What happened, Doctor Dhrenberg.
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Speaker 14: So I was called in to look at the gate
25:09
Speaker 14: of the perpetrator. And a gate is how we walk
25:15
Speaker 14: or move in simple terms, and the manner in our
25:19
Speaker 14: style of walking between people generally varies so well to
25:24
Speaker 14: people can walk the same, most people tend to walk
25:29
Speaker 14: a little differently and have different mannerisms and features of
25:33
Speaker 14: their gate. Some people will swing their arms a lot,
25:37
Speaker 14: for example, some people just let their arms dangle. So
25:41
Speaker 14: I was asked to compare the evaluate and compare the
25:47
Speaker 14: gate of the perpetrator within the church with that of
25:52
Speaker 14: persons that the FBI sent me video of. And they
25:57
Speaker 14: would just send me men, women. They would just send
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Speaker 14: me persons, and they didn't tell me if they were
26:03
Speaker 14: persons of interest, if they were you know, like a
26:07
Speaker 14: police lineup, if they were just police officers. And they
26:10
Speaker 14: had me let them know if they walked the same
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Speaker 14: similar or they walked different.
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Speaker 4: Missy Beavers arrives at Creekside Church at four sixteen AM
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Speaker 4: and begins setting up for her five AM fitness class.
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Speaker 4: She doesn't realize there's someone else in the building. Video
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Speaker 4: surveillance inside Creekside Church shows a person dressed in full
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Speaker 4: police SWAT tactical gear walking through the halls of the
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Speaker 4: church with an unusual gait while clutching a hammer. The
26:36
Speaker 4: unknown person uses force to get into the church when
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Speaker 4: he is first seen on video about three point fifty am.
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Speaker 3: Fitness instructor Missy Beaver's murdered in cold blood during the
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Speaker 3: early morning hours at Midlothian, Texas Church.
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Speaker 4: The suspect captured on the grainy surveillance video is still unidentified.
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Speaker 2: Joining our special guest, doctor Michael Nirrenberg. Doctor Nireenberg was
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Speaker 2: brought in by police to assist with the FBI investigation.
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Speaker 1: The FBI showed doctor.
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Speaker 2: Nirrenberg video that has not been released to the public,
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Speaker 2: and it is very, very disturbing. In fact, it shows
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Speaker 2: Missy inside the church, Doctor Niirreenberg, What does the video
27:28
Speaker 2: you saw depict all?
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Speaker 14: The video was sent to me as far as I know,
27:32
Speaker 14: and there was video of Missy arriving at the church,
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Speaker 14: setting up in the church. But the most emotional disturbing
27:39
Speaker 14: part for me was where she stops doing what she's doing.
27:43
Speaker 14: She walks into another hallway and you can see her
27:46
Speaker 14: sort of like cock her head a little bit, almost
27:50
Speaker 14: like she hears something, and she's sort of looking like,
27:55
Speaker 14: what does she hear? She hears something, There's something that
27:58
Speaker 14: stops her cold, and it's almost like, and I'm sure
28:03
Speaker 14: people can relate to when you're watching those horror films
28:07
Speaker 14: and you want to yell at the screen, you know,
28:09
Speaker 14: get out of the house, because sadly we know what's coming.
28:14
Speaker 2: You know. Tom Smith joining me, former NYPD detective and
28:18
Speaker 2: host of Goldshield's podcast. We spend so much time talking
28:23
Speaker 2: about the evidence and the facts and the clues. But
28:27
Speaker 2: do you hear what doctor Michael Nierenberg is saying that
28:30
Speaker 2: there is additional video that he has seen that shows
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Speaker 2: Missy inside the church preparing for the class, and you
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Speaker 2: see her look like she hears something, and she does
28:45
Speaker 2: she's hearing her killer.
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Speaker 1: We very rarely think.
28:50
Speaker 2: About what she went through in the moments leading up
28:53
Speaker 2: to her murder.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's disturbing and it's sad, but that goes to
28:58
Speaker 11: the setup, like I was talking about, for you know,
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Speaker 11: everything's laid out to show or to give the appearance
29:04
Speaker 11: of a break in, and maybe the perpetrator made a
29:08
Speaker 11: sound to get her attention to come in that direction
29:11
Speaker 11: and then did what they had planned to do the
29:14
Speaker 11: whole time.
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Speaker 2: Thanks to doctor Michael Narmerg joining us a physician and
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Speaker 2: surgeon forensic cadiatrist that was brought in on the Missy
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Speaker 2: Beavers murder investigation, Doctor Niermerg, you're telling me that the
29:28
Speaker 2: additional video that has not been released to the public
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Speaker 2: shows Missy and the church preparing for her class.
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Speaker 1: What room is she in?
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Speaker 14: I do recall as where she walks out into the
29:38
Speaker 14: hall and she starts walking down the hall and she
29:42
Speaker 14: stops and you can see her like looking listening. You know,
29:47
Speaker 14: she hears something, and you know, as a forensic scientist,
29:51
Speaker 14: what we do is very dry, and it just brings
29:55
Speaker 14: it home at the end of the day, that these
29:58
Speaker 14: crimes are about, you know, people and what they experience,
30:02
Speaker 14: and what your prior guest said. I actually took it
30:07
Speaker 14: the other way that maybe I've often thought that maybe
30:11
Speaker 14: the perpetrator was making noise because they did not think
30:16
Speaker 14: anybody else.
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Speaker 6: Was in the church.
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Speaker 14: That was my not as a forensic pediatrist, but just
30:22
Speaker 14: as a person thinking about the case over the years,
30:25
Speaker 14: I actually thought the reverse, that.
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Speaker 6: He was making he or she was.
30:30
Speaker 14: Making noise because they just didn't think anybody was there,
30:34
Speaker 14: and somehow they got surprised by her finding them.
30:38
Speaker 2: Perhaps curious, Is it true the FBI asked you to
30:42
Speaker 2: study the video of the suspect and you actually had
30:45
Speaker 2: an officer reenact what happened with and without the swat
30:52
Speaker 2: suit or the body armor. Right.
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Speaker 14: So what I did when I first got the cases,
30:57
Speaker 14: I went to my local police station. I'm out here
31:01
Speaker 14: in northwest Indiana in a small towns and I went
31:05
Speaker 14: to the police station, and I had a They agreed
31:09
Speaker 14: to help, and the police officer who trains with SWAK
31:14
Speaker 14: gear once a month, I videotaped him and took photos
31:19
Speaker 14: of him walking with and without the police gear and
31:27
Speaker 14: so so, and I actually put the gear on myself
31:30
Speaker 14: at one point just to feel the weight of it,
31:34
Speaker 14: and it was it was somewhat heavy. I forget the
31:37
Speaker 14: exact weight of this gear, but I think it was
31:39
Speaker 14: about forty pounds.
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Speaker 6: And I remember.
31:43
Speaker 14: That that that the photos of him with and without
31:46
Speaker 14: it actually showed him him shorter with with the with
31:52
Speaker 14: the gear. When he was wearing the gear, it actually
31:54
Speaker 14: shortened his height.
31:56
Speaker 1: Question.
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Speaker 2: I call it solut footed. Some people call it duckfoot.
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Speaker 2: What percentage are a population?
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Speaker 14: Well there well, and what I call it is is
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Speaker 14: out toeing. So when you're looking at out toe amount
32:13
Speaker 14: of the population, there's varying degrees of out toowed out towing.
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Speaker 14: And what's interesting here is when we look at gates,
32:20
Speaker 14: some people only out toe when their feet are land
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Speaker 14: on the ground. Some people out toe as their foot
32:29
Speaker 14: swings through the air, suggesting that the whole leg and
32:35
Speaker 14: knee are turned outward through the swing. And if if
32:39
Speaker 14: you look here through the swing, not just when the
32:44
Speaker 14: feet are on the ground.
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Speaker 6: Uh.
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Speaker 14: There there's out towing to a to a significant degree.
32:51
Speaker 14: You know, usually you see in most of the population
32:54
Speaker 14: we were out towed about maybe ten degrees approximately or so.
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Speaker 14: So here you're seeing significant out toeing, and not just
33:04
Speaker 14: when their feet are on the ground, but when they
33:06
Speaker 14: swing that leg forward. You know, you look at the knee,
33:10
Speaker 14: you look, you look at the the the arms. The
33:12
Speaker 14: head is hanging slightly tilted. The head is slightly forward,
33:17
Speaker 14: not directly back over the shoulders. One knee is stays
33:21
Speaker 14: pretty much bent to a small degree. It doesn't completely
33:25
Speaker 14: straighten the other the other knee straighter.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace got a question for you,
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Speaker 2: doctor in Nirrenberg. Isn't it true that as you say,
33:47
Speaker 2: out toeing, as I say, slew footed typically manifests when
33:51
Speaker 2: someone is younger, like a toddler up to adolescent.
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Speaker 1: You don't develop that gate later in life, do you.
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Speaker 14: That's a great question, Nancy, And most people are out
34:04
Speaker 14: tod due to like you said, genetics, heredity, but other
34:09
Speaker 14: things can happen. You can have a you can develop arthritis,
34:13
Speaker 14: you can have an injury to your knee, your hip,
34:16
Speaker 14: your back.
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Speaker 2: The majority of slew footed individuals have it as a youth,
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Speaker 2: a toddler to ten years it developed somewhere in that time.
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Speaker 1: Is that correct? The majority?
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Speaker 14: I would I would say without researching it as a
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Speaker 14: as a estimate in my experience, the majority of people
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Speaker 14: it's when they're young this develops and then it stays
34:43
Speaker 14: with them.
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Speaker 1: Okay, got it.
34:44
Speaker 2: So my point is doctor to just bring it home,
34:50
Speaker 2: is that whoever this is likely has wont like this
34:53
Speaker 2: since they were a toddler, and therefore people.
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Speaker 1: Around them know they want like this.
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Speaker 2: Like I spot my husband's gate a mile away, I
35:03
Speaker 2: don't have to see his face. I know it's him.
35:06
Speaker 2: Same with my son, same with my daughter. By the
35:08
Speaker 2: way she holds her arms when she walks, you know
35:12
Speaker 2: this person, but no one is coming forward. This is
35:17
Speaker 2: someone in Missy's circle, someone that is connected to her
35:23
Speaker 2: or someone she's involved with, who killed Missy Beaver's to
35:29
Speaker 2: Scott Brooks joining US President publisher walks a Hoachie's son.
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Speaker 1: Does it just burn you up? Does it bother you
35:39
Speaker 1: that somebody has to know who this purp is?
35:42
Speaker 2: Someone that is connected to Missy Beaver's to her exercise class.
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Speaker 1: No, not that.
35:49
Speaker 2: No, it's someone more connected to her. This is not
35:53
Speaker 2: a robbery gone wrong. Typically when burglars are found out,
35:58
Speaker 2: they run, they leave, they don't grab a screwdriver and
36:03
Speaker 2: murder the witness. Plus, this purp was completely swathed. There's
36:09
Speaker 2: no way she would have recognized them. Are they wearing
36:12
Speaker 2: like a motorcycle helmet?
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Speaker 8: Yes?
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Speaker 7: And to answer your first question, for eight years, I
36:18
Speaker 7: have been I wouldn't say obsessed, but I've certainly made
36:20
Speaker 7: a commitment to Missy's family or girls, or a husband
36:24
Speaker 7: and former husband, that we weren't going to stop as
36:27
Speaker 7: a media company, making sure that we kept this.
36:29
Speaker 6: Thing alive, so to speak, and that we.
36:32
Speaker 7: Have somebody in our community, in my opinion, on the
36:36
Speaker 7: loose free who did this heinous thing.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, hey, back it up, Scott Brooks, he said,
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Speaker 2: somebody in the community.
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Speaker 1: I agree with you.
36:45
Speaker 2: I do not think that this was a hired hit
36:48
Speaker 2: from you know, you didn't have the scorpion come in
36:52
Speaker 2: from Columbia to kill Missy Beavers.
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Speaker 1: That's right, man, Someone in this.
36:57
Speaker 2: Community, in this region and did this thing. And for
37:02
Speaker 2: all these years, Dr Bethany Marshall, they have sat back
37:07
Speaker 2: and enjoyed watching us try and figure it out and
37:12
Speaker 2: buy God, somehow we've got to get this killer, Bethany,
37:16
Speaker 2: how happy do you think they are watching us try
37:20
Speaker 2: to catch them, Nancy.
37:22
Speaker 13: Every time this crime gets covered, they get to live
37:24
Speaker 13: and relive the excitement of the crime. This person enjoyed this,
37:29
Speaker 13: as Joskine Morgan said, this was a very intimate, intimate attack.
37:33
Speaker 13: It was full of rage, it was full of passion.
37:36
Speaker 13: So this person is hiding in plain sight probably looks
37:40
Speaker 13: sort of passive and slick and sort of harmless to
37:43
Speaker 13: the community. But the community need to take a good
37:46
Speaker 13: look around and see, you know, if there's a family
37:49
Speaker 13: member or somebody that they know who's preoccupied with the crime,
37:53
Speaker 13: because that could be a big clue. If somebody keeps
37:55
Speaker 13: collecting data and watching and rewatching shows and interviews, that
37:59
Speaker 13: suggests that there's still relishing in the act.
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, you know what, and anybody on the panel
38:04
Speaker 2: jump in if you watch this person. But when they pause,
38:07
Speaker 2: they're not making a real effort to get any of
38:10
Speaker 2: the into any of these doors that are locked.
38:12
Speaker 1: They're like on the on the handle and they move on.
38:16
Speaker 2: But at one point they pause there's one point where
38:19
Speaker 2: the practically puts her hand on our hips.
38:23
Speaker 1: I can practically see her.
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Speaker 13: MKINI bod I can too. Yeah, you have a really
38:30
Speaker 13: good point, but also a woman who has masculine traits.
38:33
Speaker 13: So as I said earlier that that can narrow the
38:36
Speaker 13: pool somewhat, maybe somebody who's non binary.
38:39
Speaker 1: Is actually giving me a headache.
38:43
Speaker 2: Doctor Nirenberg, Scott Brooks, Joe Scott, Tom Smith, Doctor Bethany.
38:48
Speaker 2: We have lived this case and it is burning me
38:51
Speaker 2: up that we have all this knowledge, but we still
38:56
Speaker 2: don't have an answer for anyone that knows or thinks
39:01
Speaker 2: that they know any information regarding the brutal murder, the
39:06
Speaker 2: puncture murder of Missy Beavers. I ask you to please
39:11
Speaker 2: dial the Middle Lothian PD nine seven two seven seven
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Speaker 2: five seven six two four repeat nine seven two seven
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Speaker 2: seven five seven six two four and trust me, it
39:26
Speaker 2: is never wrong to do the right thing. There is
39:32
Speaker 2: a one hundred and fifty thousand dollars reward, and it's
39:38
Speaker 2: never too late to do the right thing. Nancy Gray
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Speaker 2: signing off, good night friend,