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Chris Regan and Max Vaughn: Failed Sun · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:30
  Speaker 1: Today, we got Failds on with us. We got Chris
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  Speaker 1: and Max from Failed Son super excited to chat with
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: you guys. You guys are a kind of newer band
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  Speaker 1: that Colin and I have been listening to recently. In fact, Colin,
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: I forget what show it was. It either was Furnace
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  Speaker 1: Fest or maybe it was when we went to Turnstile recently,
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  Speaker 1: but I remember you were wearing a Failed Sun.
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  Speaker 2: I was, that's right, and I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't I don't remember which one of those shows it was.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was, do you remember?
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  Speaker 3: It?
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  Speaker 4: Very well?
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  Speaker 1: Could have been both, but I just remember like Colin
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  Speaker 1: putting me on you guys recently, and it was like
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  Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, oh, like this.
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  Speaker 2: Is something that we should be paying attention to.
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  Speaker 1: So anyway, we reached out and you guys graciously graciously
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  Speaker 1: accepted to chat with us.
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  Speaker 2: So here we are.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, we'll obviously want to talk all things Field Sun.
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  Speaker 1: But before we dive into all that, how do you
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  Speaker 1: guys doing today?
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  Speaker 5: Oh? Man, doing great? Done good? Yeah? Yeah, it's beautiful
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  Speaker 5: evening out here in California. Just the sun's just setting
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  Speaker 5: out my window, so you can't complain, Yeah, life's good.
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  Speaker 5: It's nice to be allful work long word day. You go,
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  Speaker 5: right there, you go. We haven't seen each other probably
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  Speaker 5: like a month, to be honest, union and honest I
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  Speaker 5: made them come over here to make sure that we
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  Speaker 5: have a little bit of hang out time and to
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  Speaker 5: do this.
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  Speaker 4: That's wild. So you guys come out with an EP
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  Speaker 4: two weeks ago and you haven't seen each other in
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  Speaker 4: more than half that time.
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  Speaker 5: That's wild. Yeah. Yeah, it's been a it's been a
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  Speaker 5: very kind of like strange, tumultuous October for us. For me,
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  Speaker 5: at least, I've done. I've been out of the country
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  Speaker 5: and then I was traveling doing some family stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, I feel yeah, yeah, I feel all
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  Speaker 4: over now. Mason. I don't know about you, but when
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  Speaker 4: these guys popped on, I was very surprised that they
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  Speaker 4: said they were from from California, especially from the Berkeley area.
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  Speaker 4: They kind of look like South Dakota boys, don't they.
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  Speaker 1: Well they look honestly, they look like a version of
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  Speaker 1: us from South Dakota.
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  Speaker 4: That's totally right, I can see it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You guys.
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  Speaker 4: Do you guys have Midwestern roots at all?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Because you guys look like you've killed a few animals.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just be honest.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, but I will say we're from We both
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  Speaker 5: grew up from northern in northern California, Okay, much.
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  Speaker 2: More South Dakota of California.
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  Speaker 4: South Dakota, California, Yeah for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Like even like the city that we grew up in.
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  Speaker 5: We were both kind of like deep in the out
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  Speaker 5: skirts in the foothills area, so nice big backyards. Horses
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  Speaker 5: had some cheap so you know, nice sickens fired some guns.
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  Speaker 5: You know. Yeah, here we go.
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  Speaker 4: So you guys are a little more down to earth,
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  Speaker 4: I can tell you.
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  Speaker 5: Listen, Yeah, you know, I definitely do think a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of that, like Northern California, country roots is in
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  Speaker 5: a little bit of everything that we do. I say,
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  Speaker 5: I love that. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: I will say, maybe the biggest difference between Northern California
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  Speaker 1: and South Dakota because there are a lot of clearly
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  Speaker 1: a lot of similarities. The biggest one from what I've seen,
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  Speaker 1: because I've watched a lot of videos of northern California,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the biggest one is the fact that in northern California,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people grow weed. Uh, and you know,
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  Speaker 1: you don't see a lot of that going on in
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  Speaker 1: South Dakota. So I'll be honest, that might be the
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  Speaker 1: one and only thing that really differentiates the two cultures
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  Speaker 1: of Northern California and South Dakota.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, definitely prevalent. You know. Yeah, about an hour
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  Speaker 5: north from where we were was the is the Emerald Triangle.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's what's that's what they call it, the
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  Speaker 4: Emerald Triangle.
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  Speaker 5: There a new plenty of people growing up that that
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  Speaker 5: was their their sort of summer job was to go
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  Speaker 5: and trim weed up at these you know, grows, and
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  Speaker 5: come back and sell it out in the cities.
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  Speaker 1: So Colin, it does seem like Northern California might be
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  Speaker 1: like the libertarian paradise.
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  Speaker 2: I'll be honest. Those are the kind of.
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  Speaker 1: People that definitely will like they'll defend like trans rights
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  Speaker 1: with their guns.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I love that kind of stuff. Yeah, for sure,
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  Speaker 4: that's my that's my jam right there.
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  Speaker 5: We can I ask you guys a question.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, let's hear it.
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  Speaker 5: How long have you guys owned each other?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: What was it twenty?
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  Speaker 1: I think it was two and eight colon right, something
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  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, so seventeen eighteen years. Yeah, since we've
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  Speaker 1: been best friends. We grew up in this you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's small town with South Dakota, so like we probably
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  Speaker 1: knew of each other, you know, like he so Colin's
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years older than me, so we probably
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  Speaker 1: knew of each other, uh, you know, growing up. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think we became or at least Colin became quickly
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  Speaker 1: my best friend. Probably what two thousand and eight something
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  Speaker 1: like that, so at least seventeen years.
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  Speaker 2: That's also eighteen years here.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Like Chris and I we met in like probably middle
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  Speaker 3: school and really quick as friends, probably like sophomore high school.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, probably two thousands.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty much Calin A nice story.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I love we've been friends.
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  Speaker 4: So have you have you guys been playing music together
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  Speaker 4: ever since?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, we got around two thousand and five. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I'd say it was our first our first band. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and we've just done it kind of on and off
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  Speaker 5: ever since then.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, So a question for you guys, then, do
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  Speaker 1: you all fight like a married couple? Because I do
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  Speaker 1: think Colin and I can at this point because we've
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  Speaker 1: known each other for so long, we can kind of
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  Speaker 1: fight like a married couple where we're like we're we
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  Speaker 1: feel secure in our relationship. Yeah, but like we definitely
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  Speaker 1: like have our disagreements or like we'll definitely like piss
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  Speaker 1: each other off every now and then, and we can
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  Speaker 1: like go through that in a pretty like healthy way,
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  Speaker 1: which I actually really like.
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  Speaker 2: About Colin and I.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, do you do you all feel like you
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  Speaker 1: can actually fight like a married couple.
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  Speaker 3: Were like, we're more like a teasing group, Like we'll
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  Speaker 3: tease each other to death, to the point where like
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  Speaker 3: it might be borderline where we might hurt each other's
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  Speaker 3: sneilings blows over.
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  Speaker 5: I'd say it's a lot more like when you know
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  Speaker 5: when ship's getting like real in any way, it's a
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  Speaker 5: lot more of like a like a disappointed dad, a
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  Speaker 5: lot more of the like, hey man, I'm just you know,
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  Speaker 5: well I'm just a little just a little disappointed at all,
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  Speaker 5: and like.
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  Speaker 3: Man, you should just an off stream and when that's
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  Speaker 3: trying to fix.
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  Speaker 5: H the web just just.
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  Speaker 4: All this. Max.
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  Speaker 1: Were you like the were you like the sun, like
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  Speaker 1: holding the light and you were getting screamed at by
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  Speaker 1: your dad for not holding the light correctly?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, how did you know you just nailed it?
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, I've hung out with calling long enough
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  Speaker 1: and certainly I've had a dad for long enough where
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  Speaker 1: that's just a common occurrence.
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  Speaker 4: It's true. You gotta love it, So walk us through
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  Speaker 4: this journey a little bit more.
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  Speaker 3: Then.
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  Speaker 4: So you guys started playing music two thousand and five together,
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  Speaker 4: sounds like maybe a couple of different bands from it.
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  Speaker 5: Sounds like, yeah, so two thousand and five high school
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  Speaker 5: for us. We uh, we were in this band together
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  Speaker 5: called Oh Paulo Great Man, and we eat that from
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  Speaker 5: high school until right about we were nineteen or twenty
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  Speaker 5: when we stopped kind of like because of just people
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  Speaker 5: going away to college and things like that. But yeah,
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  Speaker 5: we did that band for about four or five years
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  Speaker 5: and it was great. We toured with it. Music is
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  Speaker 5: pretty much impossible to come by now. We were very
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  Speaker 5: like just kind of like a digital or like digitally
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  Speaker 5: adverse people, and most of our stuff was on CDs,
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  Speaker 5: and but yeah, we did that for a long time
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  Speaker 5: throughout high school and it was great. We stopped for
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  Speaker 5: a little while after that, like I don't know, mid
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  Speaker 5: until like the mid twenty ten's where all of were
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  Speaker 5: finished with school and we're kind of just like ruminating
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  Speaker 5: about we all moved out to the Bay area from
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  Speaker 5: where we were at, so either San Francisco or Oakland
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  Speaker 5: or Berkeley area, and kind of met back up and
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  Speaker 5: started playing again for a while. I think when we
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  Speaker 5: first came back was in Sight. Yeah. Yeah, we played
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  Speaker 5: in a band called Site Together. I was playing bass
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  Speaker 5: and he was playing guitar, and we did that for
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  Speaker 5: a while. Jumped from there to another band, little local
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  Speaker 5: band called Feeling Sad that was kind of like.
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  Speaker 4: It's a great name too.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was very like kind of like very like
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  Speaker 5: throwback two thousands, like emo rock. Unfortunately, we did that
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  Speaker 5: and we were having a blast eve in that I
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  Speaker 5: was playing bass again and he was playing guitar, and
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  Speaker 5: right when we like we started doing shows, Covid hit
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  Speaker 5: and yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Hit stride and then it just hit it and we
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  Speaker 3: like alway stopped everything. We played two shows and we
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  Speaker 3: played a Gilman show that was bad, yeah show, and
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  Speaker 3: then we put a second show that was like a
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  Speaker 3: house show in Santa Rosa actually like where we're from,
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  Speaker 3: and it was awesome, and then Covid was like the
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  Speaker 3: next week. Yeah, but it was all all good. Like
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  Speaker 3: our friends started that band and now one of them
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  Speaker 3: is our bass player, and we've.
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  Speaker 5: Known those guys we were sixteen also, so like that
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  Speaker 5: kind of allowed allowed feel some to kind of open
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  Speaker 5: up in some way.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, and throughout all this the other kind of missing
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  Speaker 5: piece of our puzzle. I think our drummer, who we've
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  Speaker 5: also been playing music with since high school. He played
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  Speaker 5: with us through pretty much all of those bands as well.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, we've just you know, I think it's really
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  Speaker 5: hard when you you get really used to playing with
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  Speaker 5: a group of people, it becomes such a kind of,
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  Speaker 5: like you said earlier, like a relationship, like a married relationship.
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  Speaker 5: Like you guys get so in sync with each other,
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  Speaker 5: and the those like early steps of playing with new
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  Speaker 5: people are just like they don't exist anymore. Like you're
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  Speaker 5: so in sync with timing, and the conversations are minimal
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  Speaker 5: when you're playing music. So, you know, as much as
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  Speaker 5: we've drifted in and out and done other projects, we
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  Speaker 5: always come back to each other. And in one way
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  Speaker 5: or another, it feels like.
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  Speaker 4: It's nice when you can like speak that same language
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  Speaker 4: that Yeah, it just feels like you can get rid
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  Speaker 4: of like that awkward first couple steps you don't have
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  Speaker 4: to deal with, you know, weird personalities because you just
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  Speaker 4: know the other person, it's got to be pretty convenient,
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  Speaker 4: is that kind of what you're saying?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, I think you know when you there is
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  Speaker 5: always those first steps of exactly like you said, like
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  Speaker 5: the language of music is so specific for each person,
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  Speaker 5: and getting in a room with new people is awesome sometimes,
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  Speaker 5: like you know, learning you're like learning new languages and
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  Speaker 5: you're all mixing these languages together, but there is something
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  Speaker 5: to be said about, Yeah, the same room with people
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  Speaker 5: who have spoken for so long and just kind of
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  Speaker 5: like jumping right in and feeling the groove. Yeah, Like
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  Speaker 5: like sometimes we just start playing or drum will start
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  Speaker 5: playing a drum beat and we'll start messing, or like
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  Speaker 5: you know, someone will start doing a joke basedline or something,
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  Speaker 5: and then we'll end up playing for like a few
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  Speaker 5: minutes and then walk away and be like, whoa, there
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  Speaker 5: were something there that was a cool part we tracked
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  Speaker 5: from that happened. We like build up of that.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of like became our own unique
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  Speaker 3: language with each other. And I almost go as far
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  Speaker 3: as saying as like we're almost like we're almost like
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  Speaker 3: anti social about playing with other like where we've done
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  Speaker 3: it with each other for so long, Like it's almost
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  Speaker 3: kind of like the only music time investment that we
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  Speaker 3: want to make because we're such good friends and like
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  Speaker 3: we have like with values of being good friends and
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  Speaker 3: like making it kind of work with us and being
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  Speaker 3: like just music we creative together, not that we haven't
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  Speaker 3: played with other people and other groups, and like Chris
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  Speaker 3: is Sam is like stepping in the room with other
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  Speaker 3: people is always fun and it's always good. But like
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  Speaker 3: I don't know when I look back on it, Churse,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, it's been honest, like the Four always.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah I love that.
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  Speaker 1: No, yeah, sure, there is something we said about that
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  Speaker 1: of just like some of these bands that we know
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: and love are bands that just they've been around together
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  Speaker 1: long enough where that's just that's just what you know
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  Speaker 1: of them, and like when they when they come together,
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  Speaker 1: they just kind of know each other well enough where they're.
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  Speaker 2: Just like this is, this is is what's gonna work.
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  Speaker 1: Like Colin and I just saw Jimmy World at Furnace
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  Speaker 1: Fast a few weeks ago, and you know, here's a
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  Speaker 1: band that I think, Jimmy World's for sure been around
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  Speaker 1: for thirty years.
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  Speaker 4: Ris, Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: At least thirty years, and like you think of the
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  Speaker 1: and like those guys have been together for thirty years.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like there's been member changes really or anything.
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  Speaker 1: So like here's here's four guys that have been basically
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  Speaker 1: like super close for thirty years, making the same, you know,
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  Speaker 1: kind of music, and at some point you kind of
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: realize like whether or not, like they'll have like another
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: big hit like the Middle or not, Like it doesn't matter,
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  Speaker 1: Like they just know how to write music together where
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  Speaker 1: one of them can start a drumbeat or one of
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  Speaker 1: them can start playing our guitar riff and they just
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  Speaker 1: almost like second major or second nature. You know. It's
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  Speaker 1: just like you see those couples that just can kind of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, end each other's sentences. It just becomes one
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  Speaker 1: of those types of things, and it's really funny, or
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  Speaker 1: really maybe not even funny, it's just it's really cool
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  Speaker 1: to actually see that kind of relationship between people, like
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  Speaker 1: when they're just so in sync that you just see that,
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  Speaker 1: And so it's cool to hear like even a band
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  Speaker 1: that like you know, for us is a new band.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Failed Son is like a new band for us,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's really cool to know that like that kind of.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what the right word is, sign know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah whatever that that's the police, whatever that word is. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's cool to see that between people. Uh it
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  Speaker 1: really in any kind of like whether it's whether it's
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  Speaker 1: a marriage, whether it's bands, whether it's sports. I mean
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  Speaker 1: you see that like between Tom Brady and Rob Gronkowski
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  Speaker 1: or whatever. It's just it's cool to see that between
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  Speaker 1: people because you just don't see that very often.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, I just find it cool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think like the Junior World example is like
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  Speaker 3: pretty rad because like no band sounds like Jumiot World,
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  Speaker 3: Like that's what makes that band right. And like you say,
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  Speaker 3: you might not have a hit like that Meddle song
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  Speaker 3: from back in the day, but like that's almost the
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  Speaker 3: only one that they ever need kind of but like
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  Speaker 3: that's a really unique, unique band. Like there's a light
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  Speaker 3: bands that are kind of like in the same genre
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  Speaker 3: or kind of like in the same lane. But like
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  Speaker 3: I think we value this, like we think about this.
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  Speaker 3: It's like the four of us, Like the way we
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  Speaker 3: sound is because of like our relationship from our bond
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  Speaker 3: and like same with bands like World that I haven't
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  Speaker 3: had a lot of lineup changes and stuff like that, right,
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  Speaker 3: it's interesting.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we you know, I've always said, like I
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  Speaker 5: think especially now, just like age and where we're at
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  Speaker 5: in our lives.
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  Speaker 3: Like.
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  Speaker 5: Specifically with this, like we're still we're going for and
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  Speaker 5: we're you know, we're enjoying ourselves in million. But there's
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: always been the thing of like, well if someone if
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  Speaker 5: one of the you know, one of us leaves, like
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  Speaker 5: we're gonna continue on. And there's definitely like some key
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: people and hey, like parts of this where we're like, wow,
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  Speaker 5: we couldn't do that again, Like no, we'll make something different,
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  Speaker 5: but like, yeah, sound that we've created the three three
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  Speaker 5: of us and I'd say three of us because our
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: bas player joined a little bit later. But yeah, it's
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: that language is it's just locked in.
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  Speaker 4: Well, hopefully no one does end up leaving the band
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  Speaker 4: or or or whatever, but if that does happen, you
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  Speaker 4: do have to name it after a celestial body.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, since you've got o Apollo and failed Sun, next
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  Speaker 4: one is going to be like Jupiter and Mars or
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: something like that.
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  Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, yeah, we've yeah, we fell into that the
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  Speaker 5: negatives of being too close over right, yeah, that's the
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: ideas do start to circum Yeah, but it's like one
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: long saga of many books.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I won't think that way too.
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: Part of that that makes total sense? Am I am?
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: I cutting out here, Mason.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it said your It says your network is struggling.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: I was gonna say, I'm starting to have some weird
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: situations here.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: You're good though, Sorry about so.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we could you know, belabor this point around just
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: like the connectedness between you guys. It's just because it
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: clearly is a strength of your band, and as much
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: as it you know, I think a lot of people
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: might not recognize that right away, Like it is very
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: clear that there's this cohesiveness in your band sound, and
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: you know, I think for maybe a lot of like
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: hardcore heavy music, especially for like maybe bands that are
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: like new to certain people, they might not catch on
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: to that right away. But like there is something about
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: like there's yeah, like sometimes you like hear like a
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: heavy band for the first time and you're like, oh,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: that sounds exactly like this band or whatever. But there
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: is like this level of like you can listen to
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: your band and know like, oh, there's something else that
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: they're trying to do here, and I think that's whatever
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: that is in failed Sun, Like that's the thing that
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: is the marker of your.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: Like very long relationship with one another.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Like there clearly is an intentionality around, like a very
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: specific sound that you all are trying to do, and
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: it really is. I think the reason why we hear
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: that kind of very intentional specific sound is because you
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: all have been in relationship with one another for a
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: long time, and you have obviously clearly been working on
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: and been in conversation with one another to try to
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: figure out what is it that's going to make us
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: a little different than like a lot of other heavy
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: bands and hardcore bands.
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I thank you so much for saying on that's
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: very nice. Yeah. I think yeah, definitely, like you know,
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: in that same vein because we've been together for so long,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: Like you know, a lot of our conversations is about music,
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: not just about playing music, but like music we enjoy
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: and we've shared a lot of that growing up, and
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: so like there is all of these like kind of
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: amalgamation of influences, but like it's almost at like a
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: kind of you know, it's like this like twenty five
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: year like Granu review where it's like, hey, you remember
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: when they did this guitar part and this one album
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: that was cool, or like hey, like the vocalists like
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: did these kind of things over here that was really cool,
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: or like this like fear lyrical theme here was really cool.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: And I think that like all of that kind of
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: like builds up over time and just sort of is
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: like where we're at where like it flows out naturally
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: from all those like years and years of conversations and
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: this is sort of a project where we're like, let's
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: just do all this stuff that we think is fun,
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: that we like, that we would want to hear, and like,
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: you know, like I think it I am glad to
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: hear that you just said that, because I do. I
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: hope that it comes through like that, and I think
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: it does. But I think it does.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: I think like like ourselm might have some kind of
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: barrier where it's like it's either your thing or it's
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: not like you're looking at a click with it, or
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: you might not at all. And I think that like
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the relationship thing, like what Chris is describing, I think
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: it has driven that and I think like I think
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: like like we've always been drawn to outsider music in
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: hardcore and punk because of that, but that's not the
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: only thing that we listen to, and so we take
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: a lot of like those influences of the outsider and
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: like have felt always felt like that and they've always
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: been drawn to that, and then we try to kind
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: of merge it with all of our other sensibilities to
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: kind of just make it as unique as we can,
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: I guess, and like it really does, like it comes
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: off as as us and I think, like to your point,
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: like like I think we are driven to what kind
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: I say it, Like, I think we're like we're driven
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: to be our own sound, and like me, Waltress is
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: like we want to be like what's the word I'm
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: on the war like authentic to ourselves.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: Like yeah, like ele know we're not.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: We might. I can probably tell you every part that
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: we copied off of, you know, the last four years
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: of our core, right, but like we're still trying to, uh,
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: we're still trying to like we're.
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: Trying to own it as our own. Yeah.
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Well that's what they say, they say, they
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: say good artists will borrow, right, I mean that's that's
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: just the way it is. But ripping off directly. Is
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: is something that the scene has seen a lot of
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: and it's tired and Mason and I, I think Mason
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: hit it on the head perfectly earlier. Mason and I,
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: we don't really have the time of day for bands
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: that are doing the same thing that other bands are
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: doing because it doesn't feel like you guys said authentic.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: It doesn't feel like you're being your true selves. What
• 22:09
  Speaker 4: you guys do does have that something extra. It feels
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: more real. It feels more like it's trying to speak
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: to the listener directly and not trying to necessarily appeal
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: to everyone in their grandma, for which I will say
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: this album needs to have the police called on it
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: this EP because it is an absolute fucking assault. Man.
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: It hits so hard and it doesn't really let up.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: And I like that the album's only eight minutes because
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: if it was any longer, I would probably need to
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: take a break. But it's that it has like this
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: visceral kind of reaction from me that that gets me
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: amped and gets me ready to go and makes me
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: feel how do I say it activated? I guess you
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: could say, now that sounds maybe kind of weird, but.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I think what Colin insane is nothing gets him to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: back the Blue more than Field Sun.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: You know, thin Blue Line.
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Baby, we don't call the cops out of here.
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: Literally that rules.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: That's so that's great to hear. Yeah, we you know,
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: I think when we did this because we we came
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: kind of hot off of our like our full length,
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: which is so funny because the full length, I think
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: is like thirteen minutes and this is eight minutes. So
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: you know, we had just kind of like he's like
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: definitely like leftover ideas and we had our This was
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: the first one that we wrote with our new bass player,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: our original bass player. Awesome dude. He just moved he
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: moved away. He moved up to uh, he moved up
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: to Oregon, and so yeah, like we said, to keep
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: it going. Our friend stepped in and he actually hadn't
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: really ever played bass full like full on. He's just
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: kind of dappled, but he's an insane musician. He's like
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: an incredible and incredible drummer. He played drums and Feeling Sad,
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: the band that we were talking about and the Sight
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: that year and before that he picked.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Up the Tarrock full months ago and he plays in
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: card better than I already.
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: He's a real talents musician. He's just one of those
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: guys I.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Hate those kind people, to be honest.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well you know, I will say he puts the
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: work in sure, definitely sits room in place for hours
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: to learn. But yeah, coming off and we just we
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: wrote with him, and uh, I kind of it's fun
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: because in a lot of ways he brought in a
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: lot of the more and I think like kind of
• 25:05
  Speaker 5: activated Max and Richard in a way of being like,
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: here are some more like kind of like experimental parts,
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Like there's a lot of like pedals involved in this
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: that like just kind of come out of nowhere to
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: make weird noises. And I was and have always been
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: in the camp of being like, how can we dumb
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: it down more? How can we make it more like
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: punk and like flour on the floor like dbat cave
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: me a music sometimes Saint Radiohead, damn it well some Yeah,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: sometimes when I feel like it's getting a little too
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: far away, I always get that way, even though like
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: I don't I don't even necessarily like that's not like
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: my like go to music. But and I think like
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: the synthesis of that though like came in with like
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: really just kind of like it has the assaulting like
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: fast just speed that I was looking for, as well
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: as like a room for like a lot of like
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: like lyrical plays, which was like fun for me. And
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: then yeah, it's like big sounds everywhere else, Like we
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: just took the guitars big and drums loud, bass, booming,
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: and I don't know, it was it. I'm happy with
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: how it turned out. It was, it was fun. It
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: was a quick turnaround. I think like time of writing
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: to time of recording was maybe six months.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think our model is always like shorter, faster, louder. Yeah,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: so like like the one minute songs, minute thirty, minute
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: forty five, like we're always trying to part.
• 26:36
  Speaker 5: Now that is short and like chaoti guess we can.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: And when we go play them live, we do like
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: blocks of them like four five at the time maybe
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: to kind of like make four minutes of music.
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: For sure, and we have to break because our heart
• 26:48
  Speaker 5: is on too fast.
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And then but yeah, they do for the kind of
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: words that's that's awesome here that you guys like.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, dude, uh you know, Chris, I'm kind of
• 27:01
  Speaker 4: curious from your perspective, you've you've played bass. I don't
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: know you played in Apollo Did you say that? Did
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: you play bass then too?
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: No, so I was no, I was doing vocals back then.
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah that was my started.
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: Out playing guitar and then was kind of you know,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: we were in high school, so it was sort of
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: like who will do the vocals sort of thing. Yeah,
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: and I said I will. Oh yeah, Yeah.
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: You've got a very unique style. It feels harmful to
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: your voice, Like, yeah, I don't know if it is
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: or not, but man, it really does cut through the
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: mix and it hits with an intensity that I have
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: not heard in a while.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's I will say, like it definitely it can.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: I think in the in the three years of doing
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: this and doing live shows, I've definitely learned to con
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: troll it and pare it down, sure, and do it
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: healthily now. But I mean like there is always, and
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: I purposefully there is always the like the rage and
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: angst being released from it that sometimes makes me like
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: a little like hesitant when we're recording, because like student,
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: like live wise, it's all or nothing, it's just all out,
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: and sometimes we're in the studio and I'm trying to
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: meeter myself and figure out the best way to do
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: it without like blowing my voice out in you know,
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: a day long studio session or something. But luckily, I
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: I will say, i've I've I think this last one
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: I walked away. We I had everyone else do some
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: like guests that come in and the balka booth and
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: to do some like backing vocal stuff, and I was
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: the only one who walked.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Away without a horse voice. So you've gotten you've got
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: a lot better. Yeah, you've also we forced him to
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: find this register. Like in the first like a couple
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: of months of like pointing to being like all right,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: we're gonna do this for real, it was like no, Christy,
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: go higher, no chrissy igo, rasp her.
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: You need to sound like converge, now try it.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: You should maybe do this maybe, but yeah, you know,
• 29:17
  Speaker 5: I think and definitely like coming back after not doing
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: it for so long. Like I said, the the band
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: where I was doing vocals that originally stopped in two
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: thousand and nine, twenty ten maybe, and then I just
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: didn't up until we decided to start this, you know,
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: post post lockdown, post just like being like fuck, we're pissed.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: Off.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: I miss my friends. I want to get in this
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: small room and just like write fast music. And I
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: was the first to jump in and be like, I've
• 29:47
  Speaker 5: got I've got a voice, like I'm ready to yell,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: and yeah, I don't know, I've I've been enjoying it.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: I've been enjoying it immensely, Like it's it's super fun
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: to be on stage and do that. I like a
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: lot of like crop participation. I like a lot of
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: if there's a stage, I'm going to get off that
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: stage and be on the floor with people like and
• 30:11
  Speaker 5: So I really like that. And that kind of like
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: harkens back to when we were younger playing like house
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: shows and stuff. As much as we were like that.
• 30:20
  Speaker 5: I want to bring that feeling back into this band,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: even though like some of the shows are we're doing
• 30:24
  Speaker 5: our getting a little bit bigger. I want to continue
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: that feeling as the voice, as the vocalist of this band.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: So I love it.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Since you guys have played together for a while, you know,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: it sounds like there's been like multiple iterations of like
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: different bands that you've all played together. I would imagine
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong, tell me if I'm wrong, But
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: I could see you guys, like you know, you're hanging
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: out one day and you're just like messing around on
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: a guitar and on a bass, and you know, messing
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: around with some lyrics, and that that's all it is, right,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: Like that that could be all that it is. But
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: then every now and then, I'm sure you're like you're
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: just messing around yours hanging out, and then every now
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: and then I'm sure it's like, wait, that's a thing
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: like that where you're just like, wait, that's that might
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: not be like the previous band that we were in,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: or that might not be this, but like this is
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: a new thing, like we just like hit on something.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And I would imagine for Failed Son, and again, tell
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong, but I would imagine for Failed
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: Son like that happened at some point where you all
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: are like hanging out, you're maybe maybe having a few
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: few beers, and then you're just you're just playing around
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: with some music and then something happens and you're like, wait,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: like that's not that's just not us screwing around here.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: That's that's a thing and that must have happened.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: So like what, like do you have a story around
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: that of like that that kind of memory of like, wait,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: this is now a failed son.
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: Well yeah, funnily enough, we were wait's time we got
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: a shout out Connor ru Yeah, yeah, yeah, we were.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: We were playing so with our old bass player. We
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: did a little project with him. He was writing some
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: songs kind of like first time songwriter, and we had
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: a practice studio that we've had forever out here in Oakland.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: It's called Oakland Music Complex. Like every band from the
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Bay Area practice is there pretty much. It's it's this big,
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: like three story awesome building. But we were there playing
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: with them like twenty twenty one with this band Terrier
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: X that he had written for and it's kind of
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: like just like bouncy punk songs, really bass heavy driven
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: punk songs on party rock. Yeah. And he he kind
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: of had written a bunch of songs and recruited me
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: and Max and Richard our drummer too. He was like, hey,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: can you just come in and like write guitar for these?
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: And like can you I want to make these a reality.
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: And specifically also because that group a group of friends,
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: his group of friends that he's known since high school.
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: They do a Battle of Bands every year where everyone
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: kind of like makes their own band specifically for this party,
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: and then everyone comes to that party and brings their music.
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: So that year, it was this span Terror ex that
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: he'd written a bunch of songs for, and you know,
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: that was the first time that me, Max and Richard
• 33:27
  Speaker 5: had really gotten back in a room in a while
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: and played music. And as we're doing these songs and
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: having a blast, they're super fun. We recorded some songs
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: with them and they're super fun. But doing it, I
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: think there was this kind of like just as energy
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: around the room of all us looking and being like
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: kind we're kind of playing horrorcore punk. We're getting close here,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: like and then you know, I'm messing around and I'm
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: writing some parts and Max is doing the same and
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: we're Yeah, there's definitely like those side glances where we're
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: like we can do this.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you put you put down the bass
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: Connor picked it up. I had that one little riff,
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: remember the first song that we were on. I'm still
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: trying to bring it back. I want to put it
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: on the next release. Actually, I've been trying to bring
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: it back.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: For a while. Yeah, But yeah, there were a couple
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: of things where we were just messing around and we're like,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: let's do this thing, like I miss it, I want
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: to do it. Let's get in and play together. And yeah,
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: I think it just went pretty quickly from there. The
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: three of us got together and started playing and put
• 34:25
  Speaker 5: down a couple songs really quickly, and then yeah, I
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: just kind of hit the ground running and took off
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: from there.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah that sounds so wholesome. I love that.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: I love it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, are you guys ready for your top five
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: most influential albums? Yeah, all right, no particular order. Remember
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: this is these are albums that have shaped you as
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: a person an as an artist, not necessarily your favorite albums. Okay,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: so I think we should just go like back and
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: forth between Chris and Max. Yeah.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah, first you should do this one. Oh yeah, well
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: so I one of mine, specifically, I think like lyrically
• 35:16
  Speaker 5: and kind of probably maybe sound cheesy, but uh, Bright
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Eyes Fevers and Mirrors not cheesy at all. Rise and
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: Fevers and Mirrors is one of those albums that, like,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: whenever I think about writing lyrics and specifically like creating
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: a vibe and creating like a tone is something that
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: like just like latched onto me so hard, so young.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: I think I was like thirteen when I first heard it,
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: and like just originally like kind of like discovering alternative
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: music and going down this like rabbit hole of sampler
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: CDs and you know, all of that stuff that existed
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: at that time. And I come back to it still
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: and I'm still just enamored every time. It's a classic.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: I think I think good writers kind of have to
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: tap into that thirteen year old self every once in a.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: While, you know, I think, yeah, Like I think especially
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: that like sometimes as an adult, like that angst that
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: I think does give hardcore a good drive and push
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: sometimes is I think that angst as you get older
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: turns into apathy and like the way that the especially
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: like just like current state of world current, like the
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: way that our information is like given to us and
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: we just are constantly like bombarded by things. And I
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: think that sometimes like accessing that little depressed, like angry
• 36:48
  Speaker 5: boy inside of you can like really spark some actual
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: good like motivation to write and do things.
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: So yeah, right, eyes forever, Yeah, I love it all right,
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: next one, dude, I'm.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Going with this one. Oh yeah, I'm a huge Dan
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Yemen fan. A lot like Lifetime Penny Black.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I love kid Dynamite.
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Oh yes, I already said it earlier, but like shorter, faster, louder,
• 37:16
  Speaker 3: like awesome. I just love it so much, and I think,
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: like if you're unfamiliar with it, it's like just fast
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: power chord like punk hardcore, more on the punk scheme,
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: and like all the vocals are kind of like emotional
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: and kind of like girlfriend rock kind of in somewhere
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: or not, but it's it's hard and they have like
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: heavy heavy topics and like it's political and like it
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: hits all, like the check Boxes are hard more punk,
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: and then like just being a fan of Dan Young
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: and like I just like all the guitar workisbamilies, So
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: like I'll pick and Dynamite also because I think it
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: is like one of the bands that especially myself, Chris
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: and Richard are drummer like connect on and like always
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: connected on since probably high school because that man has
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: a point in some years now, but like yeah, definitely
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: the late nineties, yeah, early two thousands, but like.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: It's just a piggyback on that. Like I think that
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: like they're they do something with like this with like
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: hardcore pump, but also like in introducing melodies in a
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: way that like I really I really like and I
• 38:24
  Speaker 5: like I'm stuck on like this is a sonic choice,
• 38:28
  Speaker 5: like we wipe this the song side of it, and
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: like they do turns really good, which is like something
• 38:32
  Speaker 5: that I think we've always tried to incorporate into like
• 38:34
  Speaker 5: all the music that we've done, especially in Field.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: Sounds like they do you like like a turn on
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: the dime where it's like one song up front and
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: then the back half of this song and then they
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: like they bind them in a certain way and it
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: might be super musical or not.
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: It might be really abrupt, but it's.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Kind of like stylistically kind of what they're into.
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, it's good.
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: One.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not familiar at all with Kid Dynamite in particular,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: but it does look like on their last tour before
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: they like officially broke up, that they played with Joyce Manner,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and like the way you're describing them sounds a lot
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: like Joyce Manner, where it's like you get like some
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: of the melodic stuff, but then also there's like the
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: super fast stuff that happens, and Joyce Manner does that
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: really well.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: Totally totally.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: If you get a chance and you're curious, go check
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: them out. Like they're a Philly band and they play
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: like they used to play shows of like the the
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: Church in Philly or like all that all the media
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: comes out of, like on the on the East Coast.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: It's actually it's it's a unitary universalist church.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm in that, Like I work in that
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: kind of world. So I'm like I'm always like thrown
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: off by the fact that it's a unitary, universalis church
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that all those videos coming out of.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: And it's so cool. That band is like a we
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: guess ourselves a very di y band, Like those are
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: our ethics and that band very.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: Much is and influence us to be that way. And
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: like that venue is proof that you can do it
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: anywhere and you should be doing it and you and
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: you're gonna get your hands on you know.
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: What I mean.
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely agree.
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Next album, all right, I love this album specifically.
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: I'm I'm kind of like jump back to some of
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: the albums that were like first influential but like have
• 40:22
  Speaker 5: stayed influential. I think kind of as a running thing
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: we're talking about, you know, since we've known each other
• 40:30
  Speaker 5: as The Roots Undo, Bicircle Takes the Square. You guys
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: ever heard that?
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Not familiar?
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: Like two thousand and three? Uh, like SCRAMs like emo
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: violence stuff. They I'll never forget. I mentioned like CD
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: samplers earlier, but uh, this magazine amp you guys? Are
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: you guys familiar with that amp? They used to be
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: printed like on like black and white like newspaper paper
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: and like giving out for free and in the mall,
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: and they would always have sampler scenes on them. And
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: I heard this song on there, crow Quill, which is
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: off of that album as Roots Undo, and it's one
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: of the like the wildest vocals I've ever heard, and
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: like the guitar is like just like so visceral, and.
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: Can you can you give us a brief taste of
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: what that what those vocals would sound like?
• 41:35
  Speaker 5: Oh god, come on, come on. It's black. It's very
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: like in like the van of black mons, like yeah,
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: like very like backup throat, like choking. I remember hearing
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: it when I was like ninth grade, eighth grade and
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: just being like like actually kind of scared and being
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: like what the fuck is this? I was listening to
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: like skate punk and like the weaker than you know,
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: like I'm like, what the fuck am I listening to?
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: This is crazy? And uh I I I think that
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: they specifically like kind of grew me in a direction
• 42:12
  Speaker 5: of learning about this like whole other like underground small
• 42:17
  Speaker 5: genre of music that I had not heard. That's like,
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: you know, it's hardcore adjacent, but it's just like this
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: whole other area of all of this, like just crazy
• 42:27
  Speaker 5: bands that you know would exist for Happy Year at
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: a time and then disappear. And I kind of in
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: high school went down a rabbit hole of being very
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: into that stuff justin but.
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: Just just in high school really of finding those finding
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: those nuggets, those those bands still.
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: Very much so like high school specifically, it was you know,
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: at such a different time. I was using Limewise. I
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: don't know if you guys ever used soul cy.
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: No No that one. That one sounds like it's gonna
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: take more than just your It's it's it's going to
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: be more than just malware involved with that.
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: I'm sure it was interesting.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: It was. It was find out about that one.
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: It was a direct going up on a quick tangent.
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: It was a direct file sharing. The file sharing so
• 43:16
  Speaker 5: like you had to get people permission to download your
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: files directly, but there was a community around it anyways. Yeah,
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: as a reason I do sercotypes of Square, I highly
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: recommend listening to it. It's weird, but it's so good.
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: I still put it on. They broke up, well, they
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: were like non active for a pretty long time. They
• 43:40
  Speaker 5: came back and released one other album. We're like, we're
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: going to do a lot more, and then they just
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: never did. But we were lucky enough to see them
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: when they were touring with that new album out here
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: like twenty twelve, twenty thirteen. Wow, great, just great band Colon.
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at this album as the roots undo. Uh
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: it's compared.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: To Orchard, or or or Orgid.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like so bad you don't know your uh. And
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: then it's it's like if Orchid and Godspeed you had
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: a baby.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Oh man, that is right.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm like like, as I'm like thinking about this,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: I'm like, this is literally right up our Alley Clin
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: and I. Why have both of us never heard of it?
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: Like that's that's like what's throwing me off? Like these
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: are both bands that we both love, Like how how
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: are we?
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: It's kind of kind of what I like about the
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: like underground scene though, is that you know, there's always
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: more out there that you just haven't heard before.
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: And especially you know when before there was Instagram and
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: all these different ways of Spotify, all these different ways
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: of seeing these things. Like these albums could be you know,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: huge and influential one small sect, but like if it
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: didn't just make it over to that other group like
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: it might have it might have dined with them, right right,
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: So yeah, amazing, Yes, check it out if you like them.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: I agree. I think that you will love this. It's
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: very atmospheric and then chaotic and an atmosphere again, and
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: they just they try a lot of things on this
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: album that not everything lands, but like that's what rules,
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, next album?
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: Should we really hit them with these? We're stumping like
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: a list.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: Well, we love that honestly, honestly, we're using this time
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: as like, you know, just another way to gain more
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: albums that that we haven't had sometimes you know.
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, I mean I'll go, I'll talk about it.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: I mean I mustn't joking. No, this wasn't my favorite,
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: so I guess, Yeah, there's a small band from San
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: Diego area called Dangers.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: Yea.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: They have an album, it's probably their second full length,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: is called Messy, isn't. It probably came.
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Out like two thousand, oh man twelve.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: We've been ten on Wikipedia.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Ye that makes sense.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: We've been We've been big fans for a long time.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: We've seen a whole bunch of shows that they've played
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: in California. This band is like aggressive hardcore and it's
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: like a thinking band, like from from a from a
• 46:26
  Speaker 3: vocal standpoint and lyricism is is like very in depth.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: It's very passionate, it's very pissed. It's like very poetical.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: He like doesn't like he's not asking you, he is
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: telling you one second here what you need to you
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: need to listen to, uh and what you need to
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: maybe think about. And it's and it's cool. I think
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: it's a huge influence on us. And we've been like
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: really fortunate too, maybe not uh be super tighted with them,
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: but they've like we recorded with gentlemen as I played
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: with these guys before, and it's like always an honor
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: to step in the room, if you like. We've been
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: such huge fans of that band for so long and
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: like to kind of mingle in that realm. It's really
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: meant a lot to us.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: It's what we do. But h but check that band out.
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: Very pissed. Yeah, they were definitely coming out of high school.
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: The album before this before Messy, isn't it, And it's
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: like was just kind of this like charged like view
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: being like oh shit. Like I think that during that time,
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: like a lot of hardcore, was a lot of hardcore
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: that was like more prominent, was was going in sort
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: of like like a lot of hardcore, and this band
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: just like brought it back to like they're just pissed.
• 47:49
  Speaker 5: It's like like borderline like on the power violence line.
• 47:53
  Speaker 5: They're fast and yeah, just amazing. I love that so much.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: All right, check them out too. How about one last
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: record here?
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: This one's a wild one. But I feel like this
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: was like an album we bonded over a lot when
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: we first started playing music. So I think it's pretty
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: important to stay here. Fever before the March of Flames.
• 48:23
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, art Damage, Yeah, Fever before the March of Flames.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: Art Damage was like with our first band, was kind
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: of like that was the model, and I listened back
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: to it sometimes in certain guitar parts, and I I
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: still think like, oh yeah, like I'm pulling that, I'm
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: doing that it And they had this, they had this
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: specifically on that album art Damage. This like very like
• 48:55
  Speaker 5: it was during a time when a lot of those
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: bands were like bigger studio bands, and they still sounded
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: kind of messy and like very like DIY even though
• 49:04
  Speaker 5: I could had like the bigger studio production, and that's
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: something that I've always really liked. And yeah, I don't know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: I would just stuck with.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Me, dude, great, great album.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Great.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: I can definitely hear at least the ones I know there.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: I can hear that in Failed Son, and I can
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: hear that in the lyricism, and I can hear that
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: all throughout what you guys have done. So that's great.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: And I'm gonna check out those other bands I didn't
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: know Mason well as well, because those sound like I said,
• 49:36
  Speaker 4: right up our alley, all right, what would you like
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: to plug?
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: Oh man, yeah, look, laser discs, we're doing it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: They have well we'll hold up okay, So like the
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: big like record CD looking things that are like not
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: quite DVDs, Like you gut, what do you mean you're
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: doing it.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I think like we're in such an age where
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: people are like people yearn for like tactile yeah, physical media,
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: and like we've you know, they've kind of gone back,
• 50:12
  Speaker 5: like vinyls had this thing, cassette tapes that children have
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: had their things popping weirds. Laser discs they're still out
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: there and they are high fidelity. Someone said the highest fability.
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: They would say it's the people that happen to have
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: a T shirt that says laser disc Right, it is.
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: The format of the future.
• 50:32
  Speaker 3: I've heard, Well, there might be something insider trading going
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: on maybe maybe yeah, yeah, but you never know. We
• 50:39
  Speaker 3: might press the whole collection on two sides of laser discs.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: I don't think it would take I don't think it
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: would take two sides.
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: No, definitely as much. Well yeah, well right, because laser
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: discs can hold a lot of information and we only
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: have about thirty five minutes of music collectively for releases.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: But look, highest fidelity. I think it's going to be
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: a hit.
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, sweet. So is there gonna be imagery involved in
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: this as well? Because all I want is uh is
• 51:12
  Speaker 4: Chris with his shirt off doing some cool some cool dances.
• 51:17
  Speaker 5: Look we can make it happen.
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: I love it.
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: You can make I love it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: I want I want you doing like sasquatching, like the
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: Northern Woods of California.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I I've got it before.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, And that's not just call and saying that. That's
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: the lady Sasquatches that have been seeing.
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they've been, they've been, they've been moaning for it.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Nice. Well, ladies.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: I am married and I'm a Sasquatch fan, so I
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: know those lady moons.
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: So I'm just saying I can repeat them, but I'm
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: not going to. But I could because we don't want to.
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: We don't want to call them right now.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: I should have won my I should have worn my
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: my wife has a hat. This is gone Squatching the
• 51:56
  Speaker 5: Squat Museum, one of the Sasquatch medium in Sana Creeds.
• 52:01
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, sweet, all right, so tell us tell us
• 52:06
  Speaker 6: the uh, the EP name and everything like that as well,
• 52:10
  Speaker 6: just one more time for everybody.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we actually said it anywhere throughout
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: the episode.
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: No, I don't think so. I think we're I think
• 52:15
  Speaker 5: we're all avoiding it because uh it's French. But I'm
• 52:22
  Speaker 5: just gone with denowment it means like the final act
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: of all play or like the like climax of a play.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Or a sasquatch climax. All right, we're into it. We're
• 52:33
  Speaker 4: into it now, sick. Yeah, go check it out. Where
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: do you want them to check it out at?
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're on Spotify, We're on band Cam, Apple Music.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: We are very available through Instagram. If you just want
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: to chat, send us a message. We'll answer your questions.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: We like to.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: Chris sat up a web store recently and you did
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: pick up vinyl from the last release there t shirts
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: and then we'll put the CD on there. We're we're
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: pressing them right now at the house, so love to
• 53:02
  Speaker 3: put those on there.
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: You hit us up. You might even get one free. Yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: We do get things out for free quite a bit. Nice.
• 53:09
  Speaker 4: I got some free stickers. It was pretty nice. I
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: will say. Some of the coolest designs I've seen for
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: shirts and stuff like that for a while.
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: So awesome. Thank you?
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: Did you design them?
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 53:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, Like when we say they it's all.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: I love.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Everything we can so.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: I love the diving Man or the upside down crucifixed man.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: I don't know what it.
• 53:31
  Speaker 5: Is exactly, falling man, I love it. I love it.
• 53:34
  Speaker 5: It's gonna be your word next you know. Oh yeah
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: on other.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: People's selling like hotcakes. Right, yeah, I love it. Guys,
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Thanks to Tom. This has been fun. Uh, appreciate you
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: guys coming on. We are failed Sun fans, and I
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: hope everyone else is after this because you deserve to
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: be listening to It's it's really not a huge commitment
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: of your time, everybody.
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: So now he's quite short. We're just some you know,
• 54:01
  Speaker 5: we're just some goofy guys ripping music in a small
• 54:05
  Speaker 5: real most days.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: So what is there? Like eighteen minutes? That's it?
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, one Godspeed song.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right, that's right, all right.
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: Some week all guys, Thank you.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: Wh