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Parker A. Garner: Villain Romance & Dark Fantasy · Two Girls, One TBR

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  Hey book babes, welcome back to 2 Girls 1 TBR.
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  Today is a special one. We are sitting down with author
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  Parker A Garner. We're going to be talking about
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  her Fates Entwined trilogy and her haunting standalone Magpie.
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  Yeah, and the timing is actually really perfect because her
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  trilogy, the third book, just finally release on April 24th.
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  And so I know a lot of people wait for series to be completed
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  to like Benjam. I used to be that way till I
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  joined Books Graham. So I have some friends where I'm
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  going to be like, hey, this is the next one because it is
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  really good. And then I recently finished
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  Magpie, which is her, it's her darker romanticism.
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  And I thought it was a stand alone too.
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  But there is a hint at the back that there may be an
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  interconnected couple coming into another book.
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  So I think she's going to make that one into a series of like
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  intercepted in the world. Yeah.
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  And I love so cool. It's such a really cool world
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  building where it's it's still like in realism, but you have
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  kind of like your witchiness to it and like your mages and
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  things like that that are behind the scenes, right?
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  Like you live in this world with them, but they're not seen until
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  you're part of the mage life. Yeah.
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  So I'm excited for it. And when I saw that, I was like,
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  yeah, because when I was reading about that couple in the book, I
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  was thinking like, oh, this would be a really good spin off.
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  And when I saw that at the end of the book, I was like, yeah.
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  That's and she left that interest interesting.
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  Yeah, so Trilogy is out for Parker and then her Magpie may
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  be coming with more stuff, so we'll see.
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  We'll have to ask her if she has that one going.
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  Yes, we will definitely have to ask her that now.
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  We are excited to have you here in the dark with us today
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  though, if you love what we are doing, we want to make sure that
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  So before we actually get started and deep dive into the
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  shadows here, OK, we have to check in.
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  We want to check in and just make sure, you know, since it's
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  Magpie has some darker things and trigger warnings and we're
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  going to be talking about kind of like that slow drift into
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  numbness, disassociation, suicidal ideations, things like
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  that. As you know, we thought this
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  book would be great for Mental Health Awareness Month.
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  So we are going to kind of talk about these things.
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  So, you know, just want you guys to to be safe and follow along.
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  But trigger warnings, yeah. Yeah, cuz we're going to be
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  real. We're going to be wrong.
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  So if if you aren't in a place where you can hold that space
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  today, please protect your peace.
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  We want you to listen when you feel strong enough to sit with
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  us in the dark. We love you guys.
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  Yes. So let's go.
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  Let's check out the titles. I have my book back here with
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  Magpie Art. What do you got?
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  Well, I have, I have of course, this.
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  I started her other book path. Your path is sorrow.
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  Literally. Yes.
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  This is the trilogy. This is the first book.
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  Look how pretty that cover. Is I mean that just like makes
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  me go. We have questions.
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  I have questions, but it and it you know, they're not they're
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  they're just a nice they're just a perfect size.
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  Yes, same with that. I'm really liking it.
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  Yes. It's very the world is dark and
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  stuff and things that are happening, but the way Parker
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  does her writing it, you immediately you're into that
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  world. Yes.
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  You can see that world. She's very good at world
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  building. I'm only just a like so many
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  chapters in and it is it is really good.
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  So I highly recommend it. I remember this far in.
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  Yes, I read, I think like the first few pages before I had to
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  get ready for recording today. And I was hooked.
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  Like, oh, yeah, if my kids didn't bother me, I probably
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  would have like gotten into a few chapters.
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  But even just like, OK, so like I opened it up and she was like
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  immediately like, yes, sucking you into this like cold, damp,
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  freezing forest. And we come to this like dark
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  path that has, you know, it's, it looks dangerous, slippery.
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  We have like a churning river under this bridge and we're
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  going to this dark castle that has like hardly any lights in
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  it. And then she starts doing some
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  kind of satanic ritual to a God and talk about like stealing
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  library box and stuff to find this up and like going on her,
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  you know, and I'm like, look at all these like little trinkets.
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  This would be great for APR box. Like send me all that stuff in
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  APR box so I could like pretend to do this little ritual to the
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  gods. Because I was thinking in my
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  mind as I was reading that and I'm like, she's doing all this
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  stuff and she's this is she had to give these things, you know,
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  I mean, does she get to? I would be mad that I didn't get
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  to take him back because I don't think she gets to take him with
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  her after she does it. I don't know because she
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  doesn't. I haven't.
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  Got that? Far Yeah, I.
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  Mean tell us what else you know, because there's some more
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  chapters in. I'm a little more chapters in
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  now. She does her whole thing and
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  then she gets to meet this mysterious man.
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  I'm not going to say who he is. Well, we know she's going to see
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  a God, but I won't tell you who he is yet until you get into
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  that part. And he's very dark and he's very
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  I don't think he's a very kind with his yes, it's Ramsey.
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  Is his name Ramsey? And let me see here, I'll tell
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  you what, he has a full title. Just so you know.
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  Here he is. I don't know where did they.
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  Go where? Do I have a route?
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  I know I have a road down. Oh, there it is.
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  Ramses, God of suffering and the Reaper of Fields.
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  Oh, the Reaper, See, told you grim dark.
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  That sickle. This is interesting.
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  I want to pee Reese or something interesting.
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  Well, he's very he's, he's not on the good side.
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  He because there's seven, if I remember correctly, there's
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  seven gods in this world and all the other gods have kind of went
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  against him and kind of putting where he's at.
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  That's why she had to do what she's doing at the beginning of
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  the book, because that was the only way to get to him.
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  And by the way, he has green eyes.
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  So I think that is why we see a little green.
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  So I mean the other titles, I wonder, I mean, we could ask her
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  because I haven't really, you know, that she's a newer author
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  for us we're looking into. And I'm wondering because each
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  of her titles have like a circle with some kind of like Celtic
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  looking. What am I trying to say?
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  Like a rune, I guess. Oh yeah 'cause like drawing like
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  a rune and they're all different colors.
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  So I wonder if that's like a symbol for like each God.
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  And I wonder if each of the. Books.
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  Has the same people. Or does it?
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  I think we're I think we're following her.
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  The girl I believe Corla, OK, is her name.
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  Is that? Is that how we're pronouncing
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  it? That's how I pronounced it in my
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  mind. Corla again.
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  You know how we are. You put a.
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  Little I believe we're in there, but yeah, let's go over that.
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  But, but I believe, I believe we're following her all the all
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  the way through. But we'll ask.
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  Yeah, because. I'm not 100% sure but I have no
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  I have had this book actually on my TBR for quite a little while.
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  I had it recommended to me. How this was before we even did,
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  you know, ask, you know, out and into the Instagram world for
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  authors that would love to to be on the the podcast.
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  So I've had it on my list for a long time, but I just, I didn't
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  know what it was. I just had it recommended.
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  And yeah, I wish now I could have read it.
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  I know this is like one of those why were you sitting on these?
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  Books like these should not be sitting on a TVR.
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  They need to be read. She has great writing skills.
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  And, and her covers are beautiful.
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  Now this is Magpie. This is the other one we were
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  talking about. Look how beautiful that is.
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  Oh, look at you. I'm so proud of you with your
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  annotations. And then she gave us the art,
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  and you have yours behind, behind you.
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  Yes, my pictures. So that's not who I thought it
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  would be. The couple.
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  She does this really good job at making you feel like this is the
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  couple. This is what's gonna happen.
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  Interesting. And then you're kind of like, I
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  don't know. And then it switches and you're
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  like, OK, but you can kind of see she's tricky, man.
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  She's tricky with that one. I have to get some little frames
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  and I know little frames and stuff because they're so cute.
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  And she, she signed our coffee too.
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  Yeah. But again, like I said, I mean
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  both. I mean, look at the artwork work
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  cover snobs. Yeah.
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  And I. And this one.
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  Absolutely. Gorgeous.
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  Definitely. Like, this is all, all of this
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  is Easter eggs. I love covers that do that that
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  have cues into like what you'll be seeing.
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  What you're coming story interesting.
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  I'm excited to read. I'm excited to read that one as
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  well because I knew you were going to read that one first
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  because I wanted us both to have a little thought in in both of
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  them. But again, if you guys you want
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  to have an amazing books, I highly recommend them.
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  This is even before we talked to Parker.
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  Just from our experience reading them, you will not be
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  disappointed. And it's an easy read too.
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  It's not. And it's not like 1 where you're
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  like, oh, this is hard and this is confusing.
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  It's not. She's very clear in her world
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  building, very clear in what's happening.
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  Yeah, even though you might not know what's happening, but you
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  know what I mean. Yeah.
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  So like in Magpie, I know some people get upset with timelines,
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  especially like hopping timelines.
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  And in this one, she does like a chapter in the past and then a
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  chapter in the present and it goes back and forth and really
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  like, it's so like at the end of every chapter, you're like, no,
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  I need to know what happens next.
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  But then she kind of like jumps to the future again, like where
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  we are in present day and what she's dealing with.
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  But it's like just enough to cut, like you understand what's
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  going on. You understand why now we're in
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  the present at this time. It's not just like hopping back
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  and forth to confuse you. It really is like implanted very
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  well. And I did not want to put this
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  one down, like at all. And I swear at the end of every
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  chapter I was like, OK, well let's get through the next one
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  because I need to know what? Happened so you have to know see
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  that is a mark of a very good book when it does those kind of
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  things. It's not where you're like, you
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  know, you actually want to continue to read to know where
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  you're going. If if you get an opportunity
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  ever to read the bargainer series by Laura Thalassa, the
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  first book that you're reading repsotic.
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  I pronounce it repsotic. I don't know if it's pronounced
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  differently, but that's how I pronounce it.
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  You do that kind of thing. Also in that book, you're going
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  from the past to seven years in the future to present day and
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  you go back and forth like that. And it was that same kind of
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  feel for me when I was reading that book.
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  I was like, God, I got to get to the next part because I I wanted
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  to know what was what was going to happen and so that.
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  That's more exciting. Now.
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  There are books like that that are frustrating and you get like
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  no answers or you don't don't understand, right?
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  Like the the part of the story, like why did we have this
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  information that those books like no, like we're getting
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  answers and then questions, answers and then questions and
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  you're like, OK, there's more. OK, I'm ready.
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  We need to take some of the books that we consider that do
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  that in the way that we don't like it.
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  And we need to put that in one of our trials one of these days.
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  Yeah, because, but it's good one like, is that one there?
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  I was like, I love that one. But I, I, I like books that do
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  that. Like you're getting the past and
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  you're getting the present. Yeah, like, because sometimes to
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  know and understand what's happening present day, you have
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  to have that past and you have to have that back story.
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  But I like when they do that and it goes back and forth and you
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  see why you kind of get that kind of vibe and knocked Acadia
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  too, because she she's and she has to remember because she's
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  been told that she's not remembering things correctly,
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  events that happen and she's remembering stuff throughout
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  that book too. Remember that book has the
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  worms. You have to read Nocticadia.
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  I bought it on audible so. It was supposed to be really
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  good on Audible. So I have.
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  Is it the graphic audio? It is the regular 1.
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  I don't think it's graphic. I don't think she has.
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  A graphic? Oh, maybe not.
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  But is it duet or is it just single narrative?
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  Because I don't know. Because I never read or I never
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  do audiobooks. So you're my person that would
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  know. Because if Doctor Death has a
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  voice, you are in for. No it just says OK so it's not a
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  duet but it has dual point of view.
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  So you do have two characters, 2 narrators, so a woman and a man
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  probably. OK.
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  You see Rock, I haven't heard of these people.
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  Well, Doctor Death if if he brings Doctor Death to life.
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  Why does this say? By him.
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  This says by Carrie Lake and Nina on Uber sister.
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  Maybe that's her. Public sure there is there two
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  you. See that just started that wrote
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  it just Carrie Lake. So I'm not sure.
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  Maybe it's something she did with the audiobook?
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  Part of it. But no on the on the book it's
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  only Carrie like. OK.
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  She is the Queen of Darkness. Yeah, she's good.
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  She is very good and because you've read.
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  Oh no, did I buy the wrong one? What did you buy?
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  I think I might have. Bought the German one.
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  Oh. Oh my gosh, I wonder.
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  Why? I wonder if I could return it.
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  Oh shit, that seems really funny to start that be like, what's
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  going on? You would have some interesting
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  pronunciations. My goodness, no wonder why I was
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  like, I don't know these, like these are very odd names.
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  It was good that we noticed it now, yeah.
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  Do you have a time period of when you can return it?
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  Probably, but I'm sure if I explain like message, yeah,
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  it'll help me tell them you don't.
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  That's so funny. You don't know.
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  My gosh, why would they let me buy that?
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  Did you see I never again? I don't ever buy audio books and
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  stuff. Can you have it set that you can
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  only select just English? No, I mean look up a title that
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  gives you the title in all the languages too.
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  So you have and I it. I bet that's why though.
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  Yeah, I just didn't. I was going through just like,
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  yeah, let me buy that one, let me buy that one, let me buy that
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  one. I did a double check.
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  I bet you that's that's what is. So hopefully they'll let.
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  You'll have to let us know on your saga now, if they allow you
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  to return that and switch it to the English.
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  Otherwise, we're going to have to Start learning some German,
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  yeah? Watch out guys.
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  Heather's pronunciation, because it's When you hear German, it
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  always sounds very like. It's more like an angry
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  language. Yeah.
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  And it's so. Oh, my.
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  Oh, this is hilarious. Oh, my.
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  You made my eyes water. You made me laugh so hard.
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  So. But now the next thing is, just
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  before we bring Parker in, we're going to talk about our our
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  beverages. Now I'm drinking just a cherry
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  Coke today. Cherry switching.
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  Cherry Coke. Cherry Coke.
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  It's delightful. You know, I'll drink Cherry
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  Coke, but I do not like Cherry Pepsi.
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  It has a different taste. I used to love Pepsi years ago.
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  I know I like Coke. Yeah.
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  Pepsi goes flat. It does.
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  It's too soon. I don't like it.
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  Yeah, maybe that's what it is. Mixture for me, but anyhow.
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  What are you? What are you?
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  Drinking Valaris Valaris. Why do I say Valaris?
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  Valaris Water? Well, there you go.
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  Court of Dreams specifically. That cup there I think will fit
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  in my giant in my giant new purse I got.
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  Oh, for sure I can. I can fit a lot of stuff in that
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  purse. That is so pretty.
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  And who was it? Now what is the the lady's name
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  that you got that? Amy she Zoo ZOO Andrew Roo She
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  has a bunch of bookish. I'll put a link we'll link her
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  in our when we post this on our Instagram alone we and stuff,
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  but now on our just since those are our drinks.
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  But now these are the drinks that we want you to make.
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  Now you have to go on our highlights on our Instagram 2
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  girls, 1 TBR and go to Sips because Parker said that she is
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  a beverage goblin. So she's a self-proclaimed
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  beverage goblin. So we got a collection of drinks
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  that represent the light and the dark of her worlds.
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  You can find the you know, like I said, you can find the full
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  recipes and the how to on our Instagram under 2 girls, 1 TBR
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  under the highlights sips. The first one is the caged God.
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  That's a little hint there. That's the alcoholic one.
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  It's a dark divine pack in a glass.
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  And the other one is the Magpies echo.
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  That's the mocktail. That one is reclaiming your
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  color from the shadows. Cool, I like that.
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  So again, I hope somebody makes these lovely drinks or Heather's
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  going to extend her hobbies into drink making and be you would be
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  you would be a bartender, right? Would that be the right?
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  Because a barista is a person does what a barista is only is
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  that only coffee? That's only coffee.
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  OK. I think it's a mixologist if you
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  do like the fancier. Stuff, well you could be fancy.
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  I bet you they have online that you can get yourself certified
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  as a mixologist and you can be even fancier.
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  I don't know, but you need to like my ADHD like would be like,
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  yeah, let's do that next and then fall short with that and
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  like find something else to do in the between.
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  How is your your going? It's not going right now.
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  Again, ADHDI was like, yeah, I've got to get this like done.
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  I got to figure this out. And then I started doing short
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  and long stitches and I'm on my green right now.
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  This is going to be satin, but this is short and long and I
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  don't know. I'm just.
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  Cute. It's not bad, definitely need
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  practice and I need to watch some more videos on how short
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  and long work because to me it looks more chain like instead of
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  seamless like it's supposed to so I want to like see some other
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  people do it catch on. I think what would be good for
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  you, because you're doing like that's embroidery.
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  That is a much harder thing to do or don't do counted cross
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  stitch because that is the kind where you get the material and
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  you have to count the little. Don't do that.
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  What you need to do is you need to get some stamped cross
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  stitch. You can go, there's a website
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  called I'm going to this is German.
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  It's Herschers. That's how I pronounce it.
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  But it's but it that you can get the the catalog and it has all
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  kinds of embroidery and things like that.
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  And they have a ton of stamped cross stitch and they have like
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  pillowcases your like your doilies to go on your dresser or
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  runners for your table. And they have bigger
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  tablecloths. I mean, you can do all different
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  ones, but the it's stamped, the pattern is stamped on there and
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  you just have to make XS and then you have to do a little
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  outlining and stuff. But it's not quite as
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  complicated as what you're trying to do.
• 22:22
  But it's a place. I choose everything hard in my
• 22:26
  life. Oh, no.
• 22:30
  Oh no. Well, let's see, that could go a
• 22:33
  lot of different ways there, Heather.
• 22:35
  So I'm laughing so hard because I really didn't mean it.
• 22:39
  Well, we've seen your skills with the the champagne bottle.
• 22:45
  Everything has to come out difficult, OK?
• 22:51
  Oh God, that's so. Oh my God, that's so funny.
• 22:55
  Only Heather. Only Heather.
• 22:57
  Only me but. You but you, but you are
• 23:01
  embracing your granny hobbies for sure.
• 23:05
  Yeah, Yep. And I think the next one I'm
• 23:08
  going to do, I found this like on Instagram, I keep, I keep
• 23:12
  finding stuff there. There was stained glass puzzles
• 23:17
  that you put together and then it goes into like an acrylic
• 23:22
  like window frame and you put it in a it's interesting and you
• 23:26
  hang it. Yeah.
• 23:27
  So I'm like, oh, I like puzzles. Yeah.
• 23:29
  Have you? Seen now, stained glass is it's
• 23:32
  an art and you have to cut glass and do all that.
• 23:35
  Yeah. I mean, it is beautiful.
• 23:38
  I don't know if I had, it's not that I wouldn't have the
• 23:41
  patience, but I would cut myself or I would do something wrong.
• 23:44
  And I would because I know when they buy those big panels of
• 23:47
  stained glass, it's, it's pricey, but they have this other
• 23:51
  thing if you want to try. Have you seen it?
• 23:54
  They have stained glass paint. Oh yes, so then I was also
• 23:59
  thinking like, oh, I have all these windows in in my library
• 24:02
  here, right? And I was like trying to read
• 24:04
  the other day. And instead I was looking at my
• 24:06
  windows thinking like, what would I paint on my windows?
• 24:09
  I need to look up stained glass paint.
• 24:12
  Or, or you can get to ADHD now. Now if you don't want to do
• 24:17
  that, they do have the the the the window cling that you can
• 24:22
  get and you can make your window stained glass and you can send
• 24:24
  rainbows into your room. That's I've sent you videos of
• 24:29
  different things that I want you to do to.
• 24:32
  Yeah, sorry. I want you to make it a dark
• 24:34
  space. I don't I.
• 24:36
  Don't know about dark. Are you not a dark?
• 24:39
  Are you not a dark space? Kind of I, I like, that's weird
• 24:42
  because like, I like dark academia.
• 24:44
  I like when people do dark libraries.
• 24:46
  I do, but I don't know, I feel like maybe because I've been in
• 24:51
  the dark for like a while now and I'm finally coming back to
• 24:56
  the light and like seeing the good in life again.
• 25:00
  Like I need the brightness right now.
• 25:04
  Now this is my dream for your office, even though I'm going to
• 25:07
  live vicariously through you and try to force you to do this.
• 25:09
  But yeah, I'm just getting but but if I now, if it was my
• 25:12
  space, I would do like the deep like a really deep plum or a
• 25:17
  real deep like Navy. And then like, I don't know, I'm
• 25:24
  leaning towards that Navy I seen the other day.
• 25:26
  And then I would put those real pretty gold stars like the stars
• 25:30
  are. All.
• 25:31
  Ceiling. And is your ceiling smooth or is
• 25:33
  it texture? Yeah, you.
• 25:35
  Have so many options. My ceiling is.
• 25:38
  Cottage smooth cheese. It's, well, it's not even
• 25:42
  cottage cheese. It's just like real heavy
• 25:44
  textured, OK, You know, it's more, it's just real rough.
• 25:48
  I mean, maybe, but I always look at the because this is not our
• 25:53
  forever ever house, you know, it's for the next probably 5-8
• 26:00
  years. That's my goal because I want
• 26:02
  to, I want to move to something even bigger is my goal.
• 26:05
  But I have to think of if someone else wanted to come in
• 26:09
  here, would they like my? Would they?
• 26:12
  Like my dark? My whimsy and my dark because I
• 26:14
  want to make my house into like a witch's cottage that's out in
• 26:19
  the middle of, you know, or a, a wizard's place that's had many
• 26:24
  travels. Very cool.
• 26:25
  And I like dark things. I really want I want to get
• 26:28
  those sconces and they look like this coming out of your wall
• 26:31
  like somebody's hands. They say they're for Halloween.
• 26:34
  No, they're not. They're for all time for me and
• 26:36
  I want those and, and that's what I I have thoughts.
• 26:40
  These are my I don't want to quite be like that one lady I
• 26:43
  sent you that did like the Harry Potter room and stuff.
• 26:46
  I mean, I loved it. I love her ceiling and stuff,
• 26:49
  but it's, it's almost too pinky colour for me.
• 26:53
  I need darker. I.
• 26:56
  Also I wear black a lot. I changed my mind a lot so I
• 27:02
  have a feeling like I'm a mood reader too.
• 27:05
  So if anything I have to have maybe I'll do 4 corners in here,
• 27:13
  like one dark, 1 like bohemian, one bright.
• 27:18
  I don't know, like that's how like I feel like I would be
• 27:20
  because I'm such a mood reader and I like to be immersive at
• 27:24
  times, but. You could move yourself around
• 27:28
  to the areas. Whatever vibe you are, you can
• 27:30
  move it as your background. Yeah, why aren't?
• 27:32
  You that would be that would be a neat idea, yeah.
• 27:36
  And but I do think though, since you the way you are, I do think
• 27:40
  you should look at on like on Amazon and do the window where
• 27:43
  it's just that you can peel it off Yes, because otherwise if
• 27:47
  you that would be a process if you but that's too easy to
• 27:50
  scrape it. Rebecca, remember, that's easy.
• 27:52
  Oh, that's right. You do everything hard.
• 27:54
  Yeah, difficult. I have to do it myself.
• 27:58
  OK, get the paint and the rainbows on the window by
• 28:03
  myself. Have you told, have you told
• 28:06
  Jordan that these are your plans?
• 28:08
  No, definitely not. Oh, he doesn't.
• 28:10
  So he doesn't know what he might have to do.
• 28:12
  No, I mean like the bookshelves up here.
• 28:15
  Like I definitely tried myself and then interrupted him while
• 28:19
  he was watching his playoff games come in and help.
• 28:24
  So he'll just, he'll just be surprised.
• 28:26
  Yeah, you know, and give me a little huff and puff, but it
• 28:29
  gets done. So that's good book husband, I
• 28:33
  guess. Quite that way.
• 28:35
  Yeah. That's hilarious.
• 28:37
  Go on. So now we've discovered that
• 28:42
  Heather only likes things hard and.
• 28:44
  And that she orders audiobooks in Germany.
• 28:47
  Yes, that is what we've discovered today and that she's
• 28:51
  got her granny hobbies going on. This is what we've learned
• 28:55
  today. Oh my God.
• 29:00
  This is wouldn't want to know me.
• 29:04
  This is why you're my one of my besties.
• 29:06
  Oh. See wait wait till wait till
• 29:10
  Chelsea gets to hear our awesome episode with this.
• 29:14
  You know, I read I saw a reel the other day.
• 29:16
  Some guy was like marry someone with ADHD because you'll never
• 29:22
  be bored like you. That is true.
• 29:26
  Like I have just yes, this is ADHD yeah cuz you get.
• 29:32
  Bored, you get hyper you get hyperfixated on something yeah,
• 29:36
  you know and then and then you're like and then you see
• 29:39
  something else and then you get hyperfixated on that and then
• 29:41
  you forget about the other thing that you've done and I do that
• 29:44
  with other. I bought a planner cuz I'm going
• 29:48
  to, I always buy a planner every year because I have to keep
• 29:50
  track of certain things and I'm like this is going to be the
• 29:53
  year I'm going to really write. Do you think I have?
• 29:58
  I bought stickers and everything I know.
• 30:00
  You try, you try to like really amp it up and be like, OK, I'm
• 30:03
  going to this is going to be fun.
• 30:05
  This is and this is going. To be the year.
• 30:07
  And then you forget to look at it and they're like, OK, OK, I'm
• 30:09
  going to go back. OK, we're going to do it this
• 30:11
  month. And then I mean, even I think
• 30:14
  I'm a few weeks behind on mine and.
• 30:19
  Yeah, but this is what happens to us.
• 30:21
  I. Think this.
• 30:22
  Is why we, I think This is why we, This is why we are friends.
• 30:27
  I think it's, you know, we have bonded over all these weird
• 30:31
  things that we, we accept each other through all of our
• 30:35
  weirdnesses. Yeah.
• 30:37
  And that's because you and I, you know, we're just who we are,
• 30:40
  who we are, and we are who we are with each other.
• 30:44
  This is, this is what you're seeing here is This Is Us.
• 30:47
  Yeah. This is not like some, you know,
• 30:48
  how like some people have like a real fake facade and that kind
• 30:52
  of thing. No, this is what life is like
• 30:54
  with us. This is me if you want to come
• 30:57
  have coffee with me like this is me.
• 31:00
  This is why I wish. Really weird things.
• 31:05
  This is why I wish we were we we all lived closer to each other.
• 31:09
  But but the one thing I told Chelsea, this is one thing
• 31:12
  before we go get Parker, this is something I want to do is I want
• 31:16
  all of us to get together and some of our other friends and be
• 31:18
  on here, not we don't have to record it be just us together.
• 31:22
  I want to do a conspiracy theory party.
• 31:25
  Have you ever seen one of those? And like everybody comes up with
• 31:28
  their own conspiracy theory that's going on and they have to
• 31:32
  convince everybody else to go along to leave with their.
• 31:35
  Conspiracy theory. Somebody doing that on
• 31:38
  Instagram? Like some people have tinfoil
• 31:40
  hats on and you know, it's because it's all, you know, it
• 31:43
  can be any because remember, there's always, nobody is
• 31:48
  batting one. What is it, 1000 or 100?
• 31:51
  Whatever it is in baseball, nobody is doing that.
• 31:54
  So there are, I do believe some of the theories that are out
• 31:57
  there are true. And I just like listening to
• 32:00
  them too. Like like, like, like theories
• 32:03
  in the book, right? Like when people get into like
• 32:06
  alcatar theories, I'm always like, that's a good one, you
• 32:10
  know? Like it could that happen?
• 32:13
  There's some good ones out. There.
• 32:15
  Oh yeah. I mean, just like ones like
• 32:17
  Chelsea and I have done, and then you and I have done.
• 32:19
  It's just there's so many of them.
• 32:22
  And now that we're getting closer and closer to Akatar
• 32:25
  being released, we have to do a couple more Akatar episodes
• 32:31
  between now and then. When I reread, I'm down.
• 32:36
  When are you going to reread? I was like in August.
• 32:39
  Okay. Yeah.
• 32:41
  Are you going to just read ACOTAR or are you going to read
• 32:43
  Crescent City too? Probably all of them tog.
• 32:47
  Are you going to do audio? Yeah, so you can get through
• 32:51
  them all. Yeah.
• 32:52
  And then just kind of highlight right down, like my
• 32:55
  interconnections, because I remember certain things in Tog
• 32:59
  happening that I remember Crescent City talking about.
• 33:03
  And then ACOTAR, of course, but they already interconnect.
• 33:07
  But I remember like certain people, like creatures and
• 33:11
  things like that. And I'm like, oh, I need to go
• 33:13
  back and like highlight the stuff so.
• 33:16
  Again, I'm still I'm still shocked that that Briaxis is she
• 33:24
  Yeah, still shocked on that did. You hear about that one where
• 33:27
  they think Briaxis. Briaxis is inside a lane and
• 33:33
  that's why she is like searing and like having her mental
• 33:40
  breakdown. Possessed.
• 33:42
  Yeah. I think Briaxis, no, I think
• 33:46
  they're out like having the best time in the world right now.
• 33:49
  I think they're out wandering around.
• 33:51
  But I do think they were the gatekeeper to hell because
• 33:54
  that's 7 levels of the library, 7 levels of hell.
• 33:58
  And that was the pit there has there's some, they're they're
• 34:01
  all Sarah's very intentional. Yeah, and she's very
• 34:05
  interconnected. All of those questions on the
• 34:07
  podcast when we were like getting into her, into the weird
• 34:11
  theories, like kind of like a *1.
• 34:13
  She's like, who thinks of these things?
• 34:14
  And we're like. You do.
• 34:15
  And then she's like, Oh yeah. And she's like, yeah.
• 34:18
  So that's. I can't say these things.
• 34:21
  But you can tell though, just by her response with that, that
• 34:24
  some of us. Are on to something.
• 34:27
  Or we're on to something. We're.
• 34:29
  Close or we've hit the the little point there, so.
• 34:34
  Interesting. But now we will be right back.
• 34:37
  We're going to go get Parker and and drag her down into our
• 34:41
  insanity that we. OK.
• 34:46
  Welcome, Parker. Welcome to the podcast.
• 34:49
  Thank you for having me. Yeah.
• 34:53
  So we were just talking about your covers and you were saying
• 34:56
  the girl or the artist that does Crowns of Nyaxia did yours?
• 35:02
  Yeah. Which both of them or or just
• 35:05
  the trilogy? She's done all of my covers so
• 35:07
  far. I've got a series coming out in
• 35:09
  October and I've got a different cover artist for that.
• 35:12
  But every other covers you've done for Sweet.
• 35:14
  That's why they're so good. And we were saying they they
• 35:16
  have little Easter eggs. And then because I was telling
• 35:20
  her about magpie, I'm like all of that.
• 35:22
  You'll you'll see it. That is something that like all
• 35:25
  of my readers constantly mentioned.
• 35:27
  They're like, I love how much just seeing the covers, I can
• 35:30
  like understand, like this is going to tie into the story.
• 35:34
  And we are cover snobs in that sense of like, we love to pick
• 35:38
  up those those things. So like the sickle there.
• 35:41
  I was like, Oh, it's giving me grim dark.
• 35:43
  And I only started the first few pages this morning on that one,
• 35:46
  but Rebecca has gotten a little further in the series and and
• 35:53
  he's the God of. Pesticides.
• 35:57
  Well, he's he's, he's the God of suffering and the Reaper of
• 36:01
  fields. Reaper.
• 36:03
  Of the fields, I was like, oh boom, got it very happy.
• 36:10
  Like Hades and Persephone vibes. Like it's definitely loosely
• 36:14
  based on Greek mythology. So a lot of the gods that you
• 36:17
  see in the book correlate to gods in Greek mythology.
• 36:21
  Love it to say I've met Ramses there at the beginning because
• 36:26
  it's Ramsay. Yes, pronouncing correctly, OK,
• 36:28
  because again, you know how we are.
• 36:31
  But he is. I love how he's very dark and I
• 36:35
  like that he has green eyes. I just want to put that out
• 36:38
  there. Generally he has Gray eyes.
• 36:41
  Gray. Oh, is it Gray?
• 36:42
  Did I read it wrong? I must have.
• 36:44
  Put herself, her own man, together in her head.
• 36:48
  I have him in my mind as green eyes.
• 36:50
  OK, pick Gray eyes. Well, that still works for me as
• 36:52
  well. I was like, there is someone in
• 36:54
  there with green eyes. Oh, so maybe I was so.
• 36:59
  I'm not going to say anything. OK, so I got to OK, I got to a
• 37:03
  part and it said green OK, so that.
• 37:05
  Was it around? Was that perhaps when she was
• 37:07
  around a bonfire? Yes, OK, that's where I am.
• 37:11
  Character two different. You're mixing them.
• 37:14
  I'm mixing them. OK, Everybody always assumes
• 37:17
  it's the same one, which is kind of what I intended.
• 37:19
  So. Oh, I love that.
• 37:21
  Oh, this has intrigued me more. I have to tell you, we
• 37:25
  absolutely love your writing style.
• 37:27
  Yeah, I love your. Well, both of us.
• 37:29
  We both can say is we love how you do your world building.
• 37:32
  It's very vivid in our lines and it's just you know what's going
• 37:38
  on even though you're thrown into it.
• 37:40
  You don't know what's going on, but yet you guide us in.
• 37:44
  So far what I've read so far it's amazing and I highly
• 37:47
  recommend. Yes.
• 37:48
  Well, thank you. That's another thing a lot of my
• 37:51
  readers and my street team, it tells me a lot if they like that
• 37:55
  I do gradual world building because I do write in a very
• 37:58
  like intentionally confusing style.
• 38:01
  I throw you into the middle of the story.
• 38:03
  I don't give you a lot of preamble.
• 38:05
  You learn alongside the characters, but one of the
• 38:09
  things they always mention, they're like your descriptions.
• 38:12
  They're like, I can perfectly picture what you're talking
• 38:15
  about. Like it almost plays out like a
• 38:16
  movie in my mind. Yes, yes.
• 38:18
  That's why you're intended yes. It is amazing.
• 38:22
  It's so captivating and I love being immersed in reads.
• 38:26
  I'm a immersive reader with like my audio books and stuff too.
• 38:29
  So this one was so easy and then Magpie, you kind of do that here
• 38:34
  too, and we were talking about timelines with this 1.
• 38:37
  So it's a pass Oh my God, you've got so many little tabs in it.
• 38:44
  I went through this one and whatever kind of stuck out, I
• 38:48
  only had so many tabs, so I was like really trying to get the
• 38:52
  good stuff and I'll go through it with you one day.
• 38:56
  I whenever my like like street team or anybody tells me that
• 39:01
  they've annotated my book, I'm like the amount of money I would
• 39:04
  pay to have that copy and to get to see like what stuck out to
• 39:08
  you and what you wanted to underline and highlight.
• 39:10
  Oh yeah, I'll take pictures of it and send it to you.
• 39:13
  Oh my God, keep that up. Yes, cuz it's like those like in
• 39:17
  depth moments that where like the emotion just like hits hard
• 39:21
  and you're like yeah, that's a good one.
• 39:24
  Magpie is my favorite story that I've ever written and will
• 39:26
  probably forever be my favorite story that I This one's going to
• 39:30
  stick with me forever and for Dave, I'm.
• 39:32
  Excited to read it because I started with the other one and
• 39:35
  then I'm going to read that one. I'm very excited because Heather
• 39:39
  told me it's amazing. And we thought it was a stand
• 39:43
  alone. And then I wrote the back and
• 39:46
  there may be more to come. So it is a stand alone.
• 39:50
  So the story in and of itself, like without obviously trying to
• 39:55
  say this without spoiling, OK, the main character story is
• 39:59
  done. Correct.
• 40:00
  So it'll be an interconnected yeah.
• 40:03
  And you will not need to know anything about Magpie to know
• 40:07
  the other story. Like you can read them
• 40:09
  separately and be perfectly fine.
• 40:12
  And there might be like, little Easter eggs and little hints and
• 40:14
  stuff that will it deeper if you've read both, but you won't
• 40:19
  have to. But that story, that story is
• 40:22
  nowhere on my publication schedule.
• 40:23
  So. Oh, no, I know it's OK.
• 40:26
  But I'm so excited for it because when I got to that point
• 40:30
  where with that other couple, I was like, oh, that would be a
• 40:32
  good like, kind of yeah, way to go into another chat or into
• 40:38
  another like series part of it. Because I had already started
• 40:41
  writing, because I probably have, I mean, an untold amount
• 40:45
  of half finished manuscripts on my laptop at just any point in
• 40:48
  time. So I'd already started writing
• 40:50
  this one story, but I hadn't given any of the characters
• 40:52
  names yet. I was sort of just outlining it.
• 40:55
  And when I was writing Magpie and I got to those characters, I
• 40:58
  was like, oh, these are those characters.
• 41:02
  Sweet. That was just their story that
• 41:03
  I'm writing. OK, OK, cool.
• 41:05
  And then I was able to go in and like actually start giving it
• 41:08
  depth and detail. And it is a very cool story and
• 41:11
  I am excited to release it and I will release it.
• 41:14
  I just, it's whatever characters are talking to me at the time
• 41:18
  are the ones that I focus on. And so obviously I've got the
• 41:22
  Fates and Twins series that's ongoing.
• 41:25
  And then this new story that I'm releasing in October has just
• 41:30
  completely captivated me. And it's quickly becoming it's
• 41:32
  trying to outpace Magpie as my favorite thing I've ever.
• 41:36
  OK, no, now this one. Now this is this is going to be
• 41:40
  more than a trilogy or oh, I just thought it was a trilogy.
• 41:45
  Like more. Exciting.
• 41:47
  I know I felt so bad because again, I had readers who were
• 41:50
  like, yes, we finally get to the end to this and I'm like, oh,
• 41:52
  don't go into this expecting it to wrap up.
• 41:55
  No, no, that's even more exciting.
• 41:58
  Yeah. And then now Book 3 just came
• 42:01
  out. Two days.
• 42:03
  Two or three days ago. Yeah. 24.
• 42:05
  Yeah. Last Friday it came out.
• 42:08
  So you'll get at least another book in the Fades and Twine
• 42:11
  series, but probably 5. I would say it's probably going
• 42:14
  to be 5. OK, well, that's exciting.
• 42:17
  Exciting. I love when you get to know a
• 42:21
  world and you love the world and it never ends.
• 42:24
  I think that's why I'm a sucker for a series because when I get
• 42:28
  characters that I love so much, I want more of it.
• 42:32
  And I always hate like when I fall in love with a book and
• 42:36
  with characters and it's a series, but then they continue
• 42:39
  on with different characters in series.
• 42:41
  I'm like, no, no, go back to the ones that I love.
• 42:43
  Like I just convinced my two of my PAS to read Bride and Mate
• 42:49
  and I'm like, I would read A7 book series based on mate like
• 42:54
  because I love the bride. But then I read Mate and I was
• 42:56
  like, this is one of my favorite books I've ever read.
• 42:58
  Like if I had just thought about their series with like Serena
• 43:02
  and Keon, I'd be so happy. OK, you make me want to read
• 43:05
  that now. It's been on my radar, but I'm
• 43:08
  like. Because I've heard that because
• 43:10
  people have said that bride is good, but they said mate is like
• 43:14
  chef kiss with it, yeah. I did not think I would like it
• 43:18
  more because like vampires are my bread and butter.
• 43:20
  I love vampires so and I like vampires more than I like
• 43:24
  werewolves. So when it went from vampires to
• 43:26
  werewolf, I like it, but I probably won't like it as much.
• 43:30
  No, it's good. Far and away exceeded my
• 43:33
  expectations. And I'm like, I want to reread
• 43:36
  that and I already just read it. Yeah.
• 43:38
  And I like Ali. I love her books.
• 43:41
  And I read The Deep End last summer and it was really good.
• 43:46
  I haven't read that one yet because I it.
• 43:48
  I'm such a fantasy person. I have only recently started
• 43:52
  dipping my toe into more contemporary stuff.
• 43:55
  But the majority of what I read has to do me too.
• 44:00
  If I get a recommendation like our friend Chelsea that's on
• 44:03
  here, usually she's our contemporary girl.
• 44:06
  And if she's like, this is so good, I'll be like, all right,
• 44:09
  I'll try it, I'll try it. But I'm mainly like thrillers or
• 44:14
  like mystery also kind of up there with like, you know, I
• 44:18
  dabble in it. But I think of majority as
• 44:21
  fantasy now that there is fantasy.
• 44:23
  Because I was that kid that had like Twilight in Harry Potter
• 44:26
  and then there was nothing else for 10 years while I was in
• 44:29
  school. And then all of a sudden I
• 44:32
  became a mom and got my Kindle back out and I was like, Oh my
• 44:35
  gosh, what are all these fantasy series?
• 44:38
  Didn't know these existed. So I'm like catching up now with
• 44:41
  all my fantasy. That's great.
• 44:42
  I went through the reading slump that I feel like everybody went
• 44:45
  through where you just had like a five year stint of like not
• 44:48
  really reading anything. And I was going on vacation.
• 44:51
  I was like, I really need a book to read.
• 44:52
  What my friend was like, I think you would like the Night Circus.
• 44:55
  She's like, if you've never read it, you should read this book.
• 44:57
  I really feel like you would love it and I it like it
• 45:02
  reminded me that I wanted to be a writer.
• 45:03
  It was literally the reason why I left the career I was in to
• 45:06
  then pursue in the like authorship.
• 45:09
  It was one of those books where I was like, reading this makes
• 45:12
  me feel like magic exists. This is the type of writer I
• 45:15
  want to be. And then I got done with that
• 45:17
  and was like, what are some series that are like the night
• 45:20
  circuits? And it recommended Terravel.
• 45:22
  And I got done with that trilogy.
• 45:24
  And I was like, what are some series that are like Terravel?
• 45:27
  And that was the first time because Google was like, here
• 45:29
  are some enemies to lover series.
• 45:32
  What's enemies to lovers? And then the first book it
• 45:35
  recommended was Akotar. And I was like, yes, I'll give
• 45:38
  this a try and read all of them in like a week.
• 45:41
  And was like, OK, now I'm a yes, Oh my gosh.
• 45:45
  And trope were like brand new to me.
• 45:47
  I'm like, what the heck are tropes?
• 45:49
  Why are people talking about this thing called tropes?
• 45:52
  Like you just pick up a book and read the synopsis and read the
• 45:55
  book. Like, yeah.
• 45:55
  Yeah, we didn't know anything, had no idea until we like,
• 45:58
  because like, I read up like years ago, I was into like,
• 46:03
  murder, like, like medical thrillers, those kind of things.
• 46:07
  Yeah, yeah. Gear to send.
• 46:09
  I know I'm probably pronouncing her name wrong.
• 46:11
  I would read Janet Ivanovich because I liked her Stephanie
• 46:14
  Plum series. I would read those kind of
• 46:16
  things. And then I had kids.
• 46:18
  And then I, I stopped reading because I didn't have time for
• 46:22
  myself because I had too many people attached to me.
• 46:25
  And. And then I started reading here
• 46:28
  a couple years ago, and Akhtar was actually the series that
• 46:32
  that started me back into reading, and it has exploded.
• 46:37
  Like I'm like that's everybody's introductory, but.
• 46:41
  And then now I'm deeper by villain era, that is where,
• 46:44
  yeah. She's into her dark romance now.
• 46:47
  Yeah, that's I've, I've tried dark romance, so I'm fine with
• 46:51
  that. Like she.
• 46:53
  I think you would love Magpie like after.
• 46:55
  You read? Path of sorrow like go and read
• 46:59
  my. Read that one.
• 47:01
  Because you're gonna be excited for the villain and he is
• 47:04
  villainous and you're gonna still be like, well, can he
• 47:07
  redeem himself? And you're gonna love it.
• 47:12
  I have so many people like ARC readers when, because that was
• 47:17
  the third book that I released. So most of my ARC readers were
• 47:20
  already a little like familiar with my writing style.
• 47:23
  And I had so many of them when they were reading Magpie, like
• 47:26
  making content about that one particular character or like
• 47:31
  sending me DMS about him being like, Oh my God, the way you're
• 47:34
  making me fall in love with him. And I was just like, and in my
• 47:40
  mind, it was since obviously I wrote it, I'm like, it's very
• 47:43
  obvious to me that that character is the villain.
• 47:49
  And my husband had been like, no, it's obvious to you because
• 47:51
  it's in your mind. It's not obvious to anyone else.
• 47:54
  I was like, oh, OK. Like he's, he's dark and
• 47:57
  dangerous. Like he is like that captivating
• 47:59
  villain that you're like, oh, she's falling for the bad boy.
• 48:03
  And then this, the picture that you sent us, I was picturing him
• 48:08
  like that. And I was like, like, OK, yeah,
• 48:09
  I can kind of see that. Wait, the car?
• 48:12
  I mean, like, is that how she described him?
• 48:15
  And then I realized it may be another person.
• 48:20
  Yeah. See.
• 48:21
  Interesting. Yeah, you should never, never
• 48:25
  expect anything in my way. It is everything is always.
• 48:30
  Like I love turning a trope on at 10.
• 48:33
  I love just like completely going the opposite way of your
• 48:37
  expectations and like leading you to think I'm going to take
• 48:40
  you that way and then take you. And I love those kind of reads,
• 48:44
  right? Because I'm like, oh, this is
• 48:46
  the the romance. OK, OK.
• 48:49
  Oh, oh, wait, what's happening now?
• 48:51
  Like he like, I literally like during the part where he's in
• 48:56
  the past and we figure out like him and Irena and I was like,
• 49:02
  EW, like that's how he was before.
• 49:05
  In my mind. I was like, OK, I don't like him
• 49:07
  now. And then it starts like spiral.
• 49:09
  And then I'm like, oh, oh, Oh, yeah.
• 49:13
  Oh, oh, good now. But I really thought like that
• 49:17
  was the end game guy every like that spoiler it will.
• 49:21
  And again, I'm not trying to figure out how to say this
• 49:25
  without doing any spoilers, but if that is how you felt reading
• 49:28
  Magpie, I'm very excited for you to read the sequel.
• 49:31
  If you ever get to the sequel of Your Path is Sorrow Because Your
• 49:35
  Path is Sacrifice has a very big rug pool moment as well.
• 49:40
  Oh. Sweet.
• 49:42
  I love that. Love it.
• 49:45
  OK, can I go right now? That's interesting.
• 49:49
  Now what would you say your favorite trope?
• 49:52
  Or what are your top three favorite tropes to write?
• 49:55
  Enemies to lovers, force proximity and oh, like my mind
• 50:04
  wants to say faded mates, but I don't necessarily write that.
• 50:08
  I just that's a tope I like to read.
• 50:12
  I really like dream walking any kind of like dream stuff I'm a
• 50:16
  big fan of but I don't know top three I couldn't name.
• 50:23
  But definitely enemies to lovers and forced proximity as.
• 50:26
  Those two. The top two, Yeah, yeah.
• 50:29
  Those were my favorite. Just at a book con over this
• 50:32
  last weekend and there was a girl who was selling these
• 50:35
  really cute embroidered like things and she was, it was
• 50:39
  embroidery and beads and one of them just said enemies to lovers
• 50:42
  on it. And so I bought that one.
• 50:44
  Yep. Heather.
• 50:45
  Maybe I should get into that. That is your next thing like
• 50:49
  this has. Granny hobbies, like, yeah, I
• 50:52
  was like, it looked like that it you just would have like little
• 50:56
  babies on it too. Stuff a lot.
• 50:58
  See, I just started. This is my first one I've ever
• 51:01
  done. So great for your first.
• 51:03
  Thank you. Yeah, I I'm artsy, but I have
• 51:07
  ADHD, so I dabble in a lot of different hobbies.
• 51:10
  I was gonna say you have 50 different hobbies.
• 51:12
  Yeah, yeah. Some of it is like, I like,
• 51:17
  decorated my wall finally, just because I got some fire under my
• 51:21
  butt. And I was like, OK, I'm going to
• 51:23
  do this while my husband's watching the playoff games for
• 51:26
  the Stanley Cup. And then like halfway through
• 51:29
  it, I drilled some holes that weren't supposed to be where
• 51:32
  they were. And I was like, so is it OK like
• 51:35
  that? Like, you're like the hole
• 51:37
  coming out of the wall, Is that OK?
• 51:40
  And he was like, you know. He did come and put them up for
• 51:45
  you though in the. Middle of it.
• 51:46
  And then I was like, Oh my God, I got Empire and he left.
• 51:49
  And then I was like. What so like I mean?
• 51:53
  Can I he just, I ended up being like, well, why don't you just
• 51:57
  hold it there? You're taller than you.
• 51:59
  She ended up doing it with me. Like, see, I'm the exact
• 52:02
  opposite where like I'll get those ideas in my mind and start
• 52:06
  doing them. My husband will be like, do you
• 52:08
  want help? But I'm like, no, like no, that
• 52:10
  doesn't like slowly falling on me.
• 52:12
  Oh yeah, it's. OK, I don't want to be about
• 52:14
  yeah, what it says like two people need to like put this
• 52:16
  together. I'm like, no, it's a suggestion.
• 52:19
  I like things hard. OK, I collected 3 challenging
• 52:23
  things by myself. Oh.
• 52:28
  Lord, you crack my heart inside. Oh, Lord.
• 52:32
  But when we were talking about like standalone kind of things,
• 52:35
  books that you wish that continued on, the one that I
• 52:39
  wish that would continue on, which I know will never continue
• 52:43
  on, even though I know there was like a bonus chapters with it
• 52:46
  because we were talking about it earlier was Noctocadia.
• 52:48
  I don't know if Parker, if you've ever read that, by Carrie
• 52:51
  Lake. I own it, but I have not read it
• 52:54
  yet. Oh, you've not read it yet?
• 52:55
  Oh, it's, oh, it's so dark. I thought I bought the audio
• 52:58
  book for it and I bought it in German.
• 53:02
  Yeah. Well, so I have to try and
• 53:04
  return that. You're like I just exchange.
• 53:08
  Yeah, I'm sure they would. I just have to, you know, one
• 53:12
  day get on, do that, but. Like, but that is 1 I wish would
• 53:17
  continue on. I mean they she does do like
• 53:19
  bonus chapters kind of deal. It's like 5 chapters extra and
• 53:24
  it follows 2 people that you meet in the book.
• 53:28
  But she I think it's, it's done. But I wish she would have.
• 53:32
  And that's one of those kind of things.
• 53:35
  But that was the one you go on. Forever.
• 53:38
  Well, if you meet Doctor Death, you'll understand why you want
• 53:41
  to see more of Doctor Death, Doctor.
• 53:44
  Death just makes me think of that podcast about this.
• 53:46
  They're just not like I've screwed up a lot of people.
• 53:49
  Yeah. Have you seen that, Rebecca?
• 53:51
  Or no. Podcast.
• 53:55
  Yeah, it is horrified. It's wild.
• 53:57
  So this is. This what it's called.
• 54:00
  It's called doctor death, right? And it's somebody does, like, a
• 54:04
  series about this Doctor Who was a legit doctor, neurosurgeon and
• 54:09
  somehow passed boards and somehow got a license to drill
• 54:13
  into people. And he was, like, crazy into
• 54:16
  drugs. And I don't know what the heck
• 54:18
  he was doing. And he would go, like into
• 54:20
  surgery and do these surgeries and, like, too much kill people,
• 54:23
  like, just botch them or like, they'd go in for a simple
• 54:26
  surgery and come out paralyzed. Yeah.
• 54:29
  No, he's a horrible person. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:31
  It was still life. It was like instead of going
• 54:36
  like instead of anybody going to the board and trying to revoke
• 54:39
  his license, the hospitals were just shuffling him from
• 54:42
  hospital, the hospital, the hospital, but like sweeping
• 54:44
  everything under the rug and not saying anything about it.
• 54:47
  Oh well, he's a horrible. Is this man still alive?
• 54:50
  I think so. I think so.
• 54:51
  I was like, it was pretty recent because it was another doctor at
• 54:55
  a hospital that he worked with who eventually started
• 54:57
  realizing, like, this guy is watching a bunch of surgeries.
• 55:00
  Yeah, we're going to try to get a patient's line.
• 55:03
  We need to do something about this.
• 55:05
  Interesting. Well, I don't know.
• 55:07
  Hopefully he's in prison now. I did go to prison.
• 55:11
  Honestly I don't know cuz when I listen to it I don't think it
• 55:17
  had wrapped up yet at that point and I haven't revisited it
• 55:20
  since. And then books took over in my
• 55:21
  life. Yeah.
• 55:23
  Interesting. I'll have to look that I like I
• 55:25
  like to listen to podcasts that that do a lot of like involving
• 55:29
  true crime, murder. Those you'd like that, yeah.
• 55:32
  I love that kind. It's my murder point you.
• 55:34
  Would like this podcast, especially if you listen to, oh,
• 55:41
  I'm forgetting the name of it, but it'll come to me later.
• 55:44
  But yeah, if you like true crime, you'll like this podcast.
• 55:46
  Yeah, I did. And I like to watch that kind of
• 55:49
  stuff on TVI did see there's a new one that it's Evil Lives
• 55:53
  here because that's one of the shows that I like to watch.
• 55:55
  And it's like people, they go back and they're people that
• 55:58
  actually lived with these people, or they were friends
• 56:00
  with them, or they were their husband and etcetera.
• 56:03
  But serial killer? People.
• 56:05
  Well, it could be, it could be, you know, murderers.
• 56:07
  It could be just, well, they are basically the other.
• 56:09
  I think most of them are all murderers.
• 56:11
  They did something really bad. But this new, this new section
• 56:14
  of it is that it's their children.
• 56:17
  Their children are the murderers.
• 56:19
  They've done something bad because I mean, like, what do
• 56:21
  you do? You have these children, you
• 56:23
  have them there that you're definitely, but but they are
• 56:26
  picking up on things that are not normal with their children
• 56:29
  and they're talking about it, but they don't realize at the
• 56:32
  time what it's going to lead to, you know, and that.
• 56:37
  So I'm like, see, I like watching that kind of stuff like
• 56:41
  fold laundry. That's when I like to watch.
• 56:44
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. For me it's TV but I like my
• 56:50
  shitty little reality. What's?
• 56:56
  That I was going to ask her what reality shows are.
• 56:58
  Yeah, on these days. My top tier ones are any of the
• 57:03
  Real Housewives franchise like Beverly Hills, Potomac or Salt
• 57:06
  Lake City are the ones that I watch the most.
• 57:09
  And then of course, like Love is Blind is a big one as well.
• 57:13
  Stupidest show in the world. I eat it up.
• 57:15
  Or like Married at First Sight, any of those like dating type of
• 57:19
  shows. I watched Age of Attraction, but
• 57:22
  it was basically just a bunch of creepy old men going up their
• 57:25
  young girls. And I was like, I really hope
• 57:28
  this show doesn't get a second season.
• 57:29
  This is gross. I like, I like to watch
• 57:34
  documentary kind of things. I don't really watch a lot of
• 57:38
  which I mean they are reality because you're following like,
• 57:41
  you know, like the secrets of Skinwalker Ranch or, or the is
• 57:47
  it the secret of Skinwalker Ranch?
• 57:48
  And then there's the the mystery at Blind Frog Ranch.
• 57:52
  I like those kind of things. But I did watch years ago, there
• 57:56
  was a reality show called, it was like the Love Cruise and it
• 58:01
  was on. And I watched this was like many
• 58:03
  years ago, like maybe the early 2000s, something like that.
• 58:06
  And the woman that was on there, she would get real angry and her
• 58:09
  eyes would pop like out, you know, like she was real angry.
• 58:13
  And that's what I remember from that, that whole reality series.
• 58:17
  I grew up with MTV, so mine were like Brett Michaels and and like
• 58:23
  flavor. Yeah.
• 58:26
  Oh, yeah. Yeah.
• 58:28
  It's a look at the the love. So we didn't watch that stuff
• 58:32
  growing up. But now that I'm, you know, a
• 58:34
  woman in my own house, I'm like, give me all of it.
• 58:37
  I know what. Was the reality show with Flavor
• 58:40
  Flav the one where he was with Brigitte?
• 58:43
  Is it Brigitte Nielsen? Was that her name she was on?
• 58:47
  Yeah. And he was having a relationship
• 58:49
  with her during the show. And he loved her so much,
• 58:51
  remember, because she's the actress.
• 58:52
  She was with Sylvester Stallone at one time.
• 58:56
  And then when she was like 50, something like that, she had a
• 59:00
  baby. Oh, my gosh.
• 59:02
  And it was amazing. I'm like. 50 I don't know.
• 59:06
  She was there and she married some guy that was much younger
• 59:09
  than her then or he was a lot younger than her and they had
• 59:13
  they had a baby together. But I think she had like grown
• 59:17
  with grown children and then she had a baby like when she was 50
• 59:21
  or she was in her 50s, I think. And I was quite impressed.
• 59:24
  But yes, she during the reality show, her Flavor Flav, he loved
• 59:28
  her. And they had some romance, but I
• 59:31
  don't remember what that was. But I think that was on MTV.
• 59:35
  Yeah. But probably that might have
• 59:37
  been during your college years, Heather, paying attention to
• 59:40
  other things. No, it's out at the bars.
• 59:43
  That's probably where you were. See, see, I have 10 years on
• 59:46
  you, so we'll see. I was, I was home.
• 59:51
  And then let's see, what year were you in college, Heather?
• 59:55
  22,009 to like 2012. OK, see I was having my first
• 1:00:02
  baby at that point. So I was I was crazy because my
• 1:00:05
  son was born in 2010. I got divorced in 22,009 and
• 1:00:09
  then I got then I had a baby in 2010 and then got married again
• 1:00:13
  in 2011. Had another baby in 2013 and
• 1:00:17
  another in 2015. And it doesn't feel that long
• 1:00:20
  ago. It does not.
• 1:00:21
  And until you really start thinking about like, how you ask
• 1:00:25
  it. Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Or what was popular back then, Right.
• 1:00:29
  Or we didn't have cell phones with, like, data back then.
• 1:00:32
  Right. Or photos and texting.
• 1:00:36
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:00:37
  My husband and I were just realizing that we.
• 1:00:39
  We haven't been married this long, but we've been together.
• 1:00:41
  It'll be 16 years in October. And I was like, our relationship
• 1:00:46
  can drive a car. I'm like, wait, didn't we just
• 1:00:49
  meet? What's?
• 1:00:49
  Happening yeah. My husband and I, we will be
• 1:00:52
  together 17 years this July and then our our oldest son, he'll
• 1:00:57
  be 16 in September and I'm like. Child is a cat.
• 1:01:02
  So nice. I don't know if that count.
• 1:01:06
  Yes, they're so demanding. They are.
• 1:01:09
  Well, it is demanding as the sleeping puppy I've got in front
• 1:01:13
  of me who's really a nightmare. But yeah, right now is very
• 1:01:16
  cheap. We don't have any animals
• 1:01:18
  because I, I grew up with dogs like I, I know what puppies are
• 1:01:22
  like and I was like, I have feral toddlers right now.
• 1:01:26
  I cannot do a puppy. I again, I don't have any kids.
• 1:01:30
  But when we got Caspian, he was six weeks old and I was talking
• 1:01:35
  to my friends who are moms and I was mentioning I was like, oh,
• 1:01:39
  you know, it's, it's not the same.
• 1:01:40
  I'm just having to like, wake up every two hours to go outside to
• 1:01:43
  try and potty train him. And I have to like.
• 1:01:45
  And they're like, no, it's like, you have a kid.
• 1:01:48
  Yeah, I think. I mean, but I could put him in a
• 1:01:50
  kennel, so. Right.
• 1:01:52
  Like you can leave him for a little while at least and go to
• 1:01:56
  the store and whatnot. But some have like some bad
• 1:02:00
  anxieties where you can't do that or like if you go on
• 1:02:03
  vacation or something that you saw to have someone come like
• 1:02:06
  play with them, walk them, feed them.
• 1:02:09
  So it's similar. It's similar, just different.
• 1:02:12
  Hard right? And she is a very cuz again,
• 1:02:15
  I've had him say I got him right as I like quit my job and
• 1:02:19
  decided to like become an author full time.
• 1:02:22
  So he's basically been around me his entire life.
• 1:02:26
  And this dog is attached to my head again.
• 1:02:29
  I was out of town at a book convention.
• 1:02:31
  I just got back this morning and he lost his mind when he saw me
• 1:02:36
  and was just like jumping all over me.
• 1:02:39
  That's. That's the one that you had in
• 1:02:40
  your video, isn't it? At the other day?
• 1:02:43
  And oh, he's so cute. You have to see him and he's so
• 1:02:46
  pretty and he's a big boy and he doesn't know how.
• 1:02:49
  He doesn't know his size. This is.
• 1:02:51
  Not there we go. Look.
• 1:02:53
  At him. And he thinks he's just a little
• 1:02:57
  baby too. He doesn't know how big he is.
• 1:03:00
  Yeah, when I got him and when he was a puppy, I'm normally like
• 1:03:03
  when I sit on my pouch, he would sit behind my back and just like
• 1:03:07
  rest his head right here. And he was also this big.
• 1:03:10
  Now he's 65 lbs and it's still like, I can just creep right
• 1:03:15
  back here, right? He like crowds into my space and
• 1:03:18
  I'm like, oh, oh, OK, buddy. We had labs at that.
• 1:03:22
  They thought they were the small dog.
• 1:03:24
  We had a Maltese and labs. And, you know, I mean, they're,
• 1:03:29
  they're cute, they're sweet. They're just very hyper, yes.
• 1:03:32
  So they'd like run in the house when they got inside and they're
• 1:03:34
  like, Oh my God, I'm inside, I'm inside, I'm sorry, you know,
• 1:03:37
  like just lay down and then they try to like lay right on top of
• 1:03:41
  you and think they're this small little thing.
• 1:03:43
  It's see, we don't. We don't have any any pets.
• 1:03:47
  I've had pets in the past, but we have in our neighborhood
• 1:03:50
  there is a lot of like little stray cats that are around and
• 1:03:55
  we have several because they're like gangs.
• 1:03:58
  They have, they have their territories.
• 1:04:01
  And we have, we have a little black and white cat.
• 1:04:05
  We have a fluffy Gray cat. And this other one, she's got
• 1:04:09
  the little, the little short legs, you know what I'm talking
• 1:04:11
  about. And she's real fluffy and, and
• 1:04:13
  she lives under our shed and, and she was scared of
• 1:04:18
  everything. Now mind you, we call them
• 1:04:20
  certain names and I know as they travel, they have other names
• 1:04:24
  that they go by from other people.
• 1:04:27
  We call her Marshmallow because she was so panic because when we
• 1:04:31
  first would go outside and she was on our deck, she'd be like,
• 1:04:34
  Oh my God, stranger danger. And she would run so fast with
• 1:04:37
  those little tiny legs. She just imagined it was
• 1:04:39
  hilarious. And and then we have the fluffy
• 1:04:42
  one. He's he's very laid back, but
• 1:04:45
  and he'll fight with the little black and white one and like
• 1:04:48
  she'll be getting real sassy with him and he'll take his paw
• 1:04:50
  and put it on her head. He's like, you have to stop and
• 1:04:54
  and then they will fight any other cat that wants to come up
• 1:04:58
  on our porch into our area again, I told you they're like
• 1:05:02
  gangs and then we'll like drive like out our neighborhood and
• 1:05:05
  we'll see other cats that we never see here because they're
• 1:05:09
  at. They're in their territories.
• 1:05:12
  And we have a black one that's coming around now, and he looks
• 1:05:15
  like a Panther. And we've named him Bob.
• 1:05:18
  The reason renamed him Bob is because our neighbor that used
• 1:05:22
  to live across the street from us, He was an interesting
• 1:05:25
  individual. He is no longer here and and he
• 1:05:28
  is no longer with us on this earth either.
• 1:05:30
  He was an older guy, but he used to say he would run our street,
• 1:05:33
  he would run 4th St. So that's the cat.
• 1:05:36
  His name's Bob. And I asked him, I'm like, Bob,
• 1:05:38
  are you running 4th St. And he just looks at me.
• 1:05:40
  He's like stranger nature. You're talking to me.
• 1:05:43
  But that was my. We have a little ginger Kitty
• 1:05:46
  that our driveway is shared with our neighbors and so this little
• 1:05:49
  ginger Kitty goes between our houses and he's completely
• 1:05:52
  feral. Both of us, us and our neighbor
• 1:05:54
  have tried to adopt him. He refuses to be adopted, but
• 1:05:58
  he's got a dash going down one eye and he's a little ginger cat
• 1:06:02
  so I need to looch in orderly for sort.
• 1:06:05
  That's cute. Oh, these ones here, they know
• 1:06:08
  like when I like my husband will come home from work, they'll
• 1:06:11
  say, Oh, there's that, there's that person.
• 1:06:13
  And he's like, are you all waiting for her?
• 1:06:15
  Are you waiting for her to come outside?
• 1:06:17
  Me Because they know, because I, I, I, I'll feed them.
• 1:06:20
  I'll give them like some, I give them their little NUM nums or
• 1:06:22
  I'll give them little treats And it, he talks to them and they're
• 1:06:26
  like, yes, we're waiting for her, but she hasn't appeared
• 1:06:29
  yet. That's what.
• 1:06:30
  And it's every morning, and when he comes home from work, they're
• 1:06:33
  like, yes, we're here. They're waiting for the lady
• 1:06:35
  five other houses getting dinner from.
• 1:06:39
  The the lady that lives diagonal behind us, we call her the cat
• 1:06:43
  lady because she has like all kinds of them there.
• 1:06:46
  And then she gets upset that two of these cats that are the
• 1:06:49
  fluffy Gray one and the little black and white one, they come
• 1:06:52
  to our porch and she gets mad and she slams her door.
• 1:06:56
  It's the cat lady. So so we call her the cat.
• 1:07:01
  Oh, she's, she's different as she marches to her own drum
• 1:07:04
  beat. But that's our we have
• 1:07:05
  interesting neighbors, but those are our cats.
• 1:07:08
  So we we have adopted them. They might live outside, but but
• 1:07:12
  they are we've claimed them. But your baby is so cute.
• 1:07:16
  I loved him when you did your video the other day.
• 1:07:18
  My gosh, he is this little baby Angel in the world.
• 1:07:22
  Even when I was like on this week and I was texting my
• 1:07:24
  husband and so codependent with both of them, I was like oh send
• 1:07:28
  me pictures I want to see your face.
• 1:07:31
  Then the dog, like even without asking, he'd like send me a
• 1:07:35
  picture of him and then he'd just send a picture of the dog.
• 1:07:38
  He's like, I know you're also curious about asking.
• 1:07:40
  Damn. Yeah, it's been 2 days.
• 1:07:43
  Now you said you went to to book con, were you?
• 1:07:46
  No, no, I went to a book convention.
• 1:07:48
  I did not read that book one. Yeah.
• 1:07:50
  Oh. OK, because I was going to say
• 1:07:51
  because people are I've been seeing all kinds of interesting
• 1:07:56
  reviews of Book Con. Like I know the authors, they
• 1:07:59
  said had a wonderful. Experience.
• 1:08:02
  Yeah, I, I'm friends with an author who went and she said she
• 1:08:05
  had a she had a weird interaction the first day, but
• 1:08:08
  everything was cool beyond that and she had a really good time.
• 1:08:12
  I think she ended up selling out.
• 1:08:14
  I know a ton of people. Wow sold out.
• 1:08:15
  So I was like, great for them, yeah.
• 1:08:17
  I know I saw Maggie Censeri. I saw her, she said she sold out
• 1:08:22
  the first day and she was very surprised by that.
• 1:08:26
  That's that's neat. But they said it was a lot of
• 1:08:27
  weird stuff and then like there was like really long lines and
• 1:08:32
  stuff. It's like, did they sell too
• 1:08:33
  many tickets for the event kind of thing?
• 1:08:37
  From what I was hearing, or I don't know, I wasn't there no
• 1:08:42
  part in this, But from what I can kind of ascertain from what
• 1:08:45
  I've seen, it just seemed like it was too small of them thin.
• 1:08:49
  They should have done it at a bigger venue to have more space
• 1:08:52
  to accommodate the lines. Yeah.
• 1:08:54
  And then obviously there were all the issues with like the
• 1:08:57
  signing times for the bigger name authors and stuff like
• 1:09:00
  that. But I mean, there's always going
• 1:09:02
  to be drama at every book on Avanti.
• 1:09:04
  There's some kind of drama. There's some kind of issue.
• 1:09:07
  Except for the one that I just did this weekend, which was
• 1:09:09
  great. And I sold out in like 30
• 1:09:11
  minutes and I was supposed to be there for two hours.
• 1:09:13
  Oh, shoot. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 1:09:15
  So what do they do? When that happens, do you do
• 1:09:18
  like QR codes kind of book sales?
• 1:09:20
  I should have, I should have, I'm not dropping my card that
• 1:09:24
  had my QR code for my social media.
• 1:09:26
  And so I was like, we can go on here.
• 1:09:29
  But I had like candles as well. And so I kind of stayed to sell
• 1:09:33
  some candles, but it was, I was very, very shocked because I had
• 1:09:38
  a line of people who came specifically to meet me, which
• 1:09:41
  was very strange. And I was like, wait, what?
• 1:09:43
  Like one girl came up and pulled my books out of her bag.
• 1:09:47
  And for a moment I was like, where'd you get those?
• 1:09:49
  And she was like, oh, I already bought these.
• 1:09:51
  I just didn't think I'd ever get a chance to meet you.
• 1:09:53
  I just want you to sign them. Nice.
• 1:09:55
  And I had one girl who said her sister's in Canada, and she was
• 1:09:59
  like, she knows she's never going to get to meet you.
• 1:10:01
  And so she demanded that I come here.
• 1:10:03
  And that girl ended up buying like, 2 poppies of everything
• 1:10:06
  that I had. And I was like, I'm.
• 1:10:07
  I did not bring enough stock. This is insane.
• 1:10:10
  That's awesome. Amazing.
• 1:10:13
  Yeah. It's a fun experience.
• 1:10:14
  And it was like a little local or, well, local to my sisters
• 1:10:19
  because I'm in Tennessee. My sister lives in Alabama.
• 1:10:23
  And it was a mobile bookstore, Flushing Books, it's what it's
• 1:10:28
  called. And they're about to have a
• 1:10:29
  brick and mortar location. This was their first year
• 1:10:32
  putting on this event. I'm like you.
• 1:10:34
  I would have thought you guys have been doing this for a
• 1:10:36
  decade. Like, it went so smoothly.
• 1:10:39
  It was so professionally handled.
• 1:10:41
  It was incredibly well patroned. I did not.
• 1:10:44
  They were like, we should have gotten a bigger venue.
• 1:10:46
  We didn't know how, like, how much the book community was
• 1:10:49
  going to show up. Yeah, I've noticed more and more
• 1:10:53
  the book community is growing for sure.
• 1:10:56
  And like I think the other day with Independent Bookstore Day,
• 1:10:59
  they were saying like there are more like 400 something more
• 1:11:05
  independent bookstores this year that have open compared to like
• 1:11:09
  past years or something. And so like, yeah, the
• 1:11:12
  independent bookstore is now over.
• 1:11:15
  The conglomerate ones, you know, like barns and stuff are it's
• 1:11:19
  growing. So we're getting a lot more.
• 1:11:22
  They want to shop local. They want or at least like
• 1:11:25
  that's that's how my community is where I am.
• 1:11:28
  Like my town that I live in, we really any kind of local store
• 1:11:32
  that opens instantly does well because we love to support local
• 1:11:37
  as much as possible. Yes, yes.
• 1:11:39
  And you want that like closeness in that community and the like.
• 1:11:44
  Hey Barb, I'm back like. Well, it's that warm.
• 1:11:49
  Yeah, yeah. And you get more curated feel to
• 1:11:52
  it. So instead of just it's like
• 1:11:53
  someone, you know, at Target behind a cast or just they're
• 1:11:56
  checking you out at somebody who's like, well, what do you
• 1:11:58
  like? What are the types that you
• 1:12:00
  like? What the genre you want?
• 1:12:02
  Did you see this book? Oh, if you like that one, you
• 1:12:05
  need to go grab that one over there.
• 1:12:06
  It's people who are excited about it and want to be excited
• 1:12:09
  with their book. People too.
• 1:12:11
  Yeah. And not just their for the
• 1:12:13
  paycheck in a second. Because you, you don't get that
• 1:12:16
  when you go to Barnes and Noble, of course, you, you don't get
• 1:12:18
  that, of course, with Amazon or you know, any of those kind of
• 1:12:21
  things. You, you don't get that warmth.
• 1:12:23
  And I think that's why the independent indie bookstores are
• 1:12:29
  so important. And plus they tend to have more
• 1:12:33
  of your indie authors than those other places.
• 1:12:37
  And like, like Heather was saying, they know the book and
• 1:12:40
  they recommend it more. It's more of a personalized
• 1:12:43
  experience Here in Oval we have and it's a a novel romance, I
• 1:12:49
  believe. I haven't gone to it yet, but
• 1:12:51
  everybody I've talked to that has said it's an absolutely
• 1:12:54
  amazing independent bookstore. And then there's Carmichael's
• 1:12:59
  and they said that one's wonderful too.
• 1:13:00
  That's on Bardstown Rd. I told my husband I want to go
• 1:13:03
  on a little adventure and, and, and go, he will not go in with
• 1:13:08
  me. He will not.
• 1:13:08
  He will go do other things and whatever, but people take me and
• 1:13:12
  I will be the passenger Princess.
• 1:13:14
  I'm very. Glad to my joy.
• 1:13:16
  That my husband reads Romanticy so fun, which it's funny cuz I
• 1:13:20
  had just I was reading Iron Plane and I got in his car and
• 1:13:24
  he's a wine salesman so he goes around to different stores and
• 1:13:27
  sells wine. So he has a lot of accounts and
• 1:13:29
  a lot of customers that he talks to.
• 1:13:31
  Then I got into his car and I saw a fourth wing on the
• 1:13:33
  floorboard and I was like, did you buy this for me?
• 1:13:36
  I was like, I've already read this one, like I already own it.
• 1:13:39
  I'm on the second one. He was like, no, one of my
• 1:13:41
  coworkers gave that to me, like one of my customers.
• 1:13:43
  And I was like, why? She said she thought I would
• 1:13:47
  like it because she knows I like Game of Thrones and stuff like
• 1:13:49
  that. And I was just like holding it,
• 1:13:50
  looking at him, looking at him in the book.
• 1:13:53
  And I was like, do you, do you know what this is?
• 1:13:57
  It felt very much like a like I discovered my kid situation,
• 1:14:01
  like who gave this to you? But he ended up reading it and
• 1:14:05
  loving it. And so then I convinced him to
• 1:14:07
  read Akotar as well. And he's promised me at some
• 1:14:10
  point he'll read Crescent City. But he's like, let me let me
• 1:14:14
  read some non romance. Yeah, before I do that.
• 1:14:17
  Yeah, that's awesome. I'm trying to get my husband
• 1:14:19
  into romanticy or just like any kind of fantasy because he liked
• 1:14:23
  Game of Thrones when he watched the show.
• 1:14:26
  Didn't read it. Well, I mean, if we're ever
• 1:14:29
  going to get it finished, which I don't think we will, but
• 1:14:32
  whatever. I think the guy, I think my
• 1:14:35
  husband and I were talking about this with somebody and he pretty
• 1:14:39
  much like has let the fandom just like create their own like
• 1:14:44
  fanfic of it in a sense. And he's not going to.
• 1:14:48
  I think he has come out and said like, I'm not going to finish
• 1:14:50
  this. I know.
• 1:14:55
  I, I think what happened is he soft launched what he wanted the
• 1:15:01
  end of the story to be with the TV show because it had diverged
• 1:15:05
  once essentially they ran out of source material, it had diverged
• 1:15:08
  from that plot and they started adding things in.
• 1:15:10
  But I think ending is how he intended it to end.
• 1:15:14
  And it was so widely, like, dislike that he was kind of just
• 1:15:19
  like, well, I don't maybe that was the ending.
• 1:15:22
  What's the point in writing it now when everyone hated it?
• 1:15:26
  Yeah, yeah. Why waste your time?
• 1:15:30
  Yeah. See.
• 1:15:31
  I can't get my husband to he. He likes video games, that's his
• 1:15:36
  thing. I cannot get hit.
• 1:15:39
  Well, I tell him about my books, but he half listens to me while
• 1:15:43
  he's playing it. But I was telling Heather my
• 1:15:46
  most excited thing because we just got Netflix.
• 1:15:48
  We've never had Netflix. We've had Hulu, we have all
• 1:15:50
  kinds of other ones, but we never had Netflix.
• 1:15:53
  I got him to watch Richardson with me.
• 1:15:56
  My sister, she, she got her husband to watch it.
• 1:15:59
  Not like she didn't try to. She would just be watching it
• 1:16:02
  and he'd be in the background, like doing dishes or like
• 1:16:04
  cooking or something will be picked up until, wait, what's
• 1:16:07
  going on with Penelope? And so she was eventually like,
• 1:16:10
  do you just want to watch this with me?
• 1:16:12
  Yeah. So they watch that together.
• 1:16:14
  We we start, we'll see. He was playing.
• 1:16:16
  He has one of those handheld gaming systems he has.
• 1:16:19
  It's an Asus ROG LIX thing. It's basically a computer and he
• 1:16:23
  was playing. Is it like a theme deck I'm
• 1:16:25
  assuming? It's like a Steam Deck.
• 1:16:27
  But yeah, I think it was like it was like 908 hundred or $900.
• 1:16:31
  Yeah, I don't know. It isn't my thing.
• 1:16:33
  But he always tells gaming it's a computer.
• 1:16:35
  I like to game. I do too, but that's he's more
• 1:16:39
  into emulation and all kinds of stuff like that.
• 1:16:41
  But he was playing it and I had it on and I was watching it and
• 1:16:45
  I was watching it and he likes to commentate on any of my shows
• 1:16:49
  that I'm watching cuz he makes fun of them.
• 1:16:51
  And he kept making fun of this. And then he started, then he got
• 1:16:55
  quieter and then I started noticing he was paying attention
• 1:16:58
  to it. And then I wanted to watch it
• 1:17:02
  last night cuz today, because today's Monday for us while
• 1:17:06
  we're recording, this is our Friday, Monday is our Friday, if
• 1:17:09
  that makes sense. And so he said to me last night,
• 1:17:12
  he goes, oh dude, he's like, don't watch that.
• 1:17:14
  He's like, we'll watch it tomorrow night.
• 1:17:16
  He's like, I'm too tired tonight to watch.
• 1:17:18
  I said, oh, I said, you want to watch Bridgeton with me?
• 1:17:20
  And he's like, yes. So that was an exciting moment
• 1:17:23
  for me because I, he, he watches my little shows.
• 1:17:26
  I like to watch like Elsbeth, he makes fun of that.
• 1:17:30
  He makes fun of my Matlock, the new one.
• 1:17:33
  And then I watch High Potential, That's another one.
• 1:17:36
  I love them. They're just, I just, I like
• 1:17:39
  their little stories. It's just my thing.
• 1:17:41
  And he makes fun of them the whole entire time.
• 1:17:43
  And he likes to point out the plot holes of the episode while
• 1:17:47
  like be quiet and just play your game weird is what he does here
• 1:17:52
  for. Vibes.
• 1:17:53
  We're here to enjoy it. Don't clean out hot holes.
• 1:17:57
  And then he made he liked to point out that the sky wasn't
• 1:18:00
  moving in their window. With the clouds and stuff.
• 1:18:03
  I'm like I could leave it alone happiness and this is what he
• 1:18:09
  was doing to me that that's but that was my exciting thing
• 1:18:11
  though, because I told Chelsea that our little Chelsea.
• 1:18:15
  I told her I said he's he's watching Richard 10 now because
• 1:18:18
  her and I talk about our husbands as well with that.
• 1:18:21
  But so now what is your you said you have another series coming
• 1:18:25
  out in October now. Have you announced anything
• 1:18:29
  about it or can you have a? Tidbit I can say I haven't
• 1:18:34
  announced the title yet so I won't say that, but it is coming
• 1:18:38
  out October 9th. I want to say I should know that
• 1:18:41
  date and it is going to be a dark fantasy romance trilogy.
• 1:18:46
  It's got faith, vampires, true enemies to lovers, like in a
• 1:18:52
  pack to kill each other kind of enemies to lovers and deadly
• 1:18:57
  trials as well. OK, Is the whole thing done like
• 1:19:01
  a trials or are you going to like start or have some trials?
• 1:19:06
  Book 1 is deadly trials. OK Book 2 is a whole other
• 1:19:11
  roller coaster. Yeah.
• 1:19:14
  Cool, that's exciting. I just actually, this weekend, I
• 1:19:17
  was finishing the first round of edit and going over all the
• 1:19:20
  notes that my editor sent me. And there was one point in it
• 1:19:24
  when I had done something and she was like, I had to close my
• 1:19:28
  laptop and just stare at a wall for an hour before she came back
• 1:19:33
  to it. Oh, no, I'm sorry.
• 1:19:35
  Oh, no. Well, that's it.
• 1:19:37
  That's a I'm getting excited. Yeah, Yeah.
• 1:19:40
  And there was one piece that I wrote and I had rewritten and
• 1:19:43
  rewritten and rewritten, and I kept sending it to my beta
• 1:19:47
  readers because I was like, I just feel like it can be worse.
• 1:19:51
  I feel like I can torture these characters more.
• 1:19:53
  And they got to a point where they're like, stop, It's too
• 1:19:55
  bad. Like, you're good, Don't need to
• 1:19:57
  make it anymore. So I was like, OK, cool.
• 1:19:59
  And that exact scene matter was like, I think you could make
• 1:20:03
  this a little worse. I was like, all right, let's do
• 1:20:06
  it. Really torture the characters.
• 1:20:09
  That's awesome. Interesting.
• 1:20:11
  Oh, I'm excited for that then. When do you think you'll be
• 1:20:15
  revealing the title to that? That will be soon just because
• 1:20:20
  my third book just came out. I'm still in the like
• 1:20:23
  promotional phase for that one, but my PA and I are already
• 1:20:27
  working on like starting to get stuff going for that because I'm
• 1:20:32
  going to do a big push with this one.
• 1:20:33
  I'm doing audio book with it as well.
• 1:20:35
  I just asked both of the cuz it's two Povs so you get the FMC
• 1:20:41
  and the MMC. So I just cast the narrators for
• 1:20:44
  that and I'm so excited. Their voices are incredible.
• 1:20:49
  And I'm also doing like a special edition with it.
• 1:20:52
  So like hard covered, frayed edges, which I haven't done hard
• 1:20:55
  covered before. So for free order, is that going
• 1:20:59
  to be pre-order? The special edition?
• 1:21:00
  I, I'm in the process of finding, actually Speaking of
• 1:21:04
  indie bookstores, I'm in the process of like narrowing down
• 1:21:07
  the bookstore that I want to work with to do a pre-order
• 1:21:09
  campaign. Good.
• 1:21:10
  Yeah. And I have so much character art
• 1:21:14
  I'm sitting on right now, including a ton that I've done
• 1:21:17
  myself. Nice.
• 1:21:19
  She does. She does draw.
• 1:21:20
  That was something else I was going to ask you.
• 1:21:22
  So yeah, that is one of the neat things is when the author is the
• 1:21:28
  artist as well, because then we truly see what you see in your
• 1:21:31
  mind when you are creating these characters, and I think that is
• 1:21:35
  one of the coolest things. That's one of my favorite
• 1:21:36
  things, yeah. I mean, I'm say no means good.
• 1:21:41
  I just enjoy doing it. It's like I don't consider
• 1:21:43
  myself an artist. I'm like, for me, it's just it's
• 1:21:47
  just a hobby at this point. But so I like, I will always
• 1:21:51
  still Commission actual artists to do like professional ones for
• 1:21:55
  me. But then I have like my little
• 1:21:56
  ones that I do. I'm like, it's fine if it's
• 1:21:59
  imperfect. If there are a bunch of mistakes
• 1:22:02
  in it, I don't care because I didn't pay for it.
• 1:22:04
  I didn't so. And it's fun.
• 1:22:07
  Yeah, yeah. Now the other thing we want to
• 1:22:11
  talk about too, because May is mental health Month.
• 1:22:14
  Yeah. And because you said that now I
• 1:22:17
  have not read Magpie and Heather has there, but you said that
• 1:22:21
  there is a lot of different topics that we could talk about
• 1:22:25
  for mental health with that I'm. So sorry, my dog is rolling over
• 1:22:29
  and trying the little table I have on my laptop.
• 1:22:33
  He's like, he's like, I'm ready. He's like.
• 1:22:37
  He's something this big. Yeah, he's a baby.
• 1:22:41
  But yeah, no, Magpie deals with a lot of mental health
• 1:22:45
  representation. The way that I like to describe
• 1:22:47
  it is just told me the lens of magic.
• 1:22:49
  So like the biggest theme in Magpie are things of basically
• 1:22:54
  a, it's an allegory for a character struggling with
• 1:22:56
  depressive. And it's it's my journey of
• 1:23:01
  struggling with depression, the way that I felt, the way that I
• 1:23:07
  struggled with like suicidal ideation and self harm.
• 1:23:10
  It's that story and my relationship with depression,
• 1:23:15
  with anxiety just told through the lens of magic.
• 1:23:19
  So instead of it being my depression, it's the villain.
• 1:23:22
  And that's yeah, get to see it as a character.
• 1:23:27
  I loved it because it's relatable in a story form, which
• 1:23:32
  I love. So like in the beginning, like a
• 1:23:35
  lot of my tabbies, I'm like, a lot of them are, are kind of
• 1:23:39
  geared towards like those emotions or like a saying or
• 1:23:45
  kind of like coming to the light in a sense, or like feeling that
• 1:23:49
  such that depression where you feel so numb that nothing
• 1:23:55
  matters anymore. You are down in the dumps.
• 1:23:58
  Like want something else but don't know how to do it.
• 1:24:04
  And then just like giving up. Yeah.
• 1:24:06
  And, and because for me, he goes through that.
• 1:24:09
  Yeah. It for me, like my depression,
• 1:24:12
  it was very comforting. It was very comforting.
• 1:24:15
  And it felt like a safe space, which is what I was trying to do
• 1:24:18
  with that character. And with the idea of the house,
• 1:24:21
  with the idea of the building is the fact that to her, it's it's
• 1:24:26
  a comfort. It's almost an addiction.
• 1:24:28
  She does. She can't let go cozy in it and
• 1:24:32
  builds relationships there and thinks that it's this is the way
• 1:24:36
  it's going to be. This is my life now.
• 1:24:39
  Yeah. And she's like in the haunted
• 1:24:41
  house and dealing with all the creeps and creatures and
• 1:24:46
  darkness. So, yeah, I've had so many
• 1:24:50
  readers. That's the book that like I've
• 1:24:52
  gotten the most interaction on because the primary thing is I
• 1:24:56
  will just have people who reach out to me and my DN and say,
• 1:25:00
  like, this book made me feel see, yeah.
• 1:25:03
  And then they will tell me their own story and their own
• 1:25:06
  struggle, which it which is also just been such a cool
• 1:25:10
  experience, like having somebody trust me so much to like dig
• 1:25:15
  into that wound and let me know like what they went through.
• 1:25:19
  I'm like, that's just, it's an experience I thought I'd never
• 1:25:21
  get. And it's one I didn't think I'd
• 1:25:23
  get from just being like a fantasy author.
• 1:25:26
  Like I didn't realize it. Like my words could affect
• 1:25:29
  people this way. Like I've had people who have,
• 1:25:32
  I've reached out and then like I felt myself slipping back into
• 1:25:35
  the fashion. So I started reading this book
• 1:25:37
  again. So I remember to like, try and
• 1:25:39
  fight. Yeah.
• 1:25:41
  Yeah. It's a great story of like being
• 1:25:44
  there, being down, dealing with it as like a like, this is where
• 1:25:49
  I'm at and nothing more to it. And then finding those little
• 1:25:55
  like hold, you know, like you're climbing and you're finding
• 1:25:58
  those little finger hold place hold mints and stuff.
• 1:26:01
  And you're slowly getting there and you're like, come on,
• 1:26:04
  Maggie, keep fighting Maggie. And it's, it's well done.
• 1:26:09
  I really loved it. And it is very relatable to my
• 1:26:12
  own depression and where I was at not long ago.
• 1:26:16
  And yeah, so. And have you have you finished
• 1:26:19
  it? I did, yeah.
• 1:26:21
  OK. All I wanted to say is there
• 1:26:23
  without being like, again, this won't spoil anything, but the
• 1:26:26
  scene when 2 characters are driving in a car together
• 1:26:30
  towards the house, that conversation was me talking to
• 1:26:36
  my past self. Yeah.
• 1:26:38
  Like that was just I'm like if and someone could have said this
• 1:26:42
  to me, if I could say this to someone like this is what I
• 1:26:44
  would have wanted here. Yes, so that was me just talking
• 1:26:47
  to pass Parker. Yes and how they like sit there
• 1:26:50
  for a while with each other and they don't say much.
• 1:26:54
  They're just kind of like together in their piece, in
• 1:26:58
  their heads, whatever they're doing.
• 1:27:00
  And then it just kind of like slowly creates a conversation.
• 1:27:05
  And I'm like, yes, that is how it is.
• 1:27:07
  Like you just have to kind of like, want to eventually come
• 1:27:11
  out of your shell to say something.
• 1:27:16
  Yeah. And you actually have to like,
• 1:27:17
  name it and face it. Yeah.
• 1:27:20
  To actually be able to like, move on from it.
• 1:27:22
  Right. Yes.
• 1:27:24
  And that character, tricky little character.
• 1:27:27
  I I knew I was like, she's something else.
• 1:27:32
  And this is, it has makes no difference to the story at all.
• 1:27:35
  It's just a little Easter egg that I put in there because I
• 1:27:37
  thought it would be hilarious for this specific character to
• 1:27:40
  have that. But how I was referencing her
• 1:27:42
  wearing friendship bracelets. He's a swifty.
• 1:27:45
  Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:27:47
  I just thought I was like, wouldn't it be funny for this,
• 1:27:49
  of all characters to be really into Taylor Swift?
• 1:27:52
  Oh, yeah. But her character, like I like
• 1:27:56
  how she's kind of like the opposite of her.
• 1:27:58
  What you would think her character was that I love too,
• 1:28:01
  because I was like, Oh yeah, I knew it.
• 1:28:04
  Again, I'm like everything that you shouldn't.
• 1:28:07
  Don't expect anything when you read my books.
• 1:28:09
  Don't try and expect anything because I'm very much going to
• 1:28:12
  give you the opposite of it. Yeah, that's great.
• 1:28:14
  See. That's that's I love that
• 1:28:17
  because some books you read are an author, how they write, you
• 1:28:21
  know where they're going to go and you, you kind of know once
• 1:28:25
  you start it well where this is going to go.
• 1:28:27
  I think that makes it special when you don't know where the
• 1:28:29
  story is going to go. And it it's that surprise, that
• 1:28:33
  suspense, that element in it. And I like that too.
• 1:28:35
  Yeah, and it keeps you going. You're like, Oh my gosh, whoa,
• 1:28:39
  let's keep going. Chapter.
• 1:28:42
  Excitement 3:00 AM. Here we go.
• 1:28:45
  One of my lifelong best friends is an actress, so a large part
• 1:28:50
  of her job is reading scripts and critiquing them.
• 1:28:53
  So she I also always send her my stuff as I'm writing it.
• 1:28:57
  And she has been able to guess every single twist I've ever
• 1:29:01
  written except for the end of the third book that I just
• 1:29:06
  released. In the faith and Flying Theory,
• 1:29:08
  Your path is vengeance. She was like, I didn't see any
• 1:29:12
  of that book coming. I was like, finally, finally
• 1:29:15
  tricked you with something. That's awesome.
• 1:29:18
  That is pretty neat. Let's see how now.
• 1:29:24
  OK, now this is our Scream or Dream haunted House edition.
• 1:29:29
  So now Scream is bad, dream means good.
• 1:29:35
  Why did I automatically think the option?
• 1:29:37
  What does it say about me? What what we had our our sweet
• 1:29:40
  little Ravenna veil on. We had to explain that to her
• 1:29:45
  because she didn't know which was.
• 1:29:46
  It too a lot of these. I'm always like Rebecca wait,
• 1:29:49
  like I think more into and I always am in the middle, like
• 1:29:53
  Gray in the middle. I'm like but what if?
• 1:29:56
  And how about like twisted so screams bad dream is good?
• 1:30:02
  Dream is good now, OK? Would you stay in a House of
• 1:30:05
  shadows if it meant your passions were returned to you,
• 1:30:10
  but you could never leave? 100% I never want to leave my
• 1:30:15
  house to begin with, so that is the dream.
• 1:30:19
  Do you think the older we get the more we like to be in our
• 1:30:23
  own like nest kind of thing? I think maybe that might be true
• 1:30:28
  for other people. It has always been true.
• 1:30:30
  I have my entire life been a painfully, painfully shy,
• 1:30:35
  introverted person. Like I always say to my husband,
• 1:30:38
  I'm like, you got to be pretty great to beat my house because
• 1:30:41
  my house is awesome and I never want to be away from it.
• 1:30:45
  That's cool. That's like the House of Wind
• 1:30:47
  when I think of this, Like, yeah, like, why would you go
• 1:30:49
  anywhere? Just live there, right and don't
• 1:30:52
  complain about it. I like it.
• 1:30:54
  Line on the band. I for the life of me I'll never
• 1:30:58
  understand why Nesta felt so much that she needed to go down
• 1:31:02
  those 10,000 steps. I would have been so content in
• 1:31:05
  that house that talked to me, gave me whatever I wanted, made
• 1:31:10
  little tiny baby Pegasus that could just come and visit me,
• 1:31:14
  bring me chocolate cake, desserts, books.
• 1:31:17
  I would be perfectly fine and I would never leave.
• 1:31:21
  I will say because I have a lot of people very near and dear to
• 1:31:24
  my life that are in active recovery right now.
• 1:31:28
  And so that book hit a little bit differently from just
• 1:31:31
  because I was like, this is very much someone who's an addict
• 1:31:35
  trying to do whatever they can to continue to get that fixed,
• 1:31:39
  continue to get that fit and continue to run away from
• 1:31:43
  recovery. So I, I can unfortunately
• 1:31:47
  understand her mindset and that just because of the road that
• 1:31:52
  I've had to walk with some loved ones.
• 1:31:55
  Yeah. And her, like, need to like, get
• 1:31:57
  the drink and do what she wants to do and kind of not see what
• 1:32:02
  was in front of her. Like, what more there is than
• 1:32:05
  just like, her despair and her. Yeah.
• 1:32:08
  Which Nessa? Nessa is my favorite out of
• 1:32:11
  that? Like Nessa is my favorite out of
• 1:32:13
  that series. And, you know, ever be a
• 1:32:15
  casting. We were talking about series and
• 1:32:17
  like how they switched the point of view.
• 1:32:19
  I was so mad during Silver Plane cuz I was like, no, I want
• 1:32:23
  Farrah and Busan. Yeah.
• 1:32:25
  And then all of a sudden it switched and I was like, let's
• 1:32:29
  see, Like I might as well read it.
• 1:32:31
  Everyone's talking about it. And then I was like, that's my
• 1:32:33
  favorite book so far. Hands down my favorite.
• 1:32:36
  Yeah from the entire. But I was upset at first.
• 1:32:40
  But now they're my favorite characters.
• 1:32:41
  Well, let me ask you, since you've read Acutar the same as
• 1:32:44
  us, what do you think? What do you think's gonna happen
• 1:32:48
  in book 6? What is your?
• 1:32:52
  I honestly I don't necessarily have any predictions.
• 1:32:56
  I like to because I am a This is going to sound like it doesn't
• 1:33:01
  make sense but I promise it does.
• 1:33:02
  I'm a huge horror. I love horror, absolutely.
• 1:33:05
  I consume it there. You would be hard pressed to
• 1:33:08
  find a horror movie I have not watched because of that.
• 1:33:14
  I'm really, I've gotten really good at guessing the plots for
• 1:33:18
  horror movies and it spoils it for me.
• 1:33:20
  It doesn't make it as scaring, it doesn't make it as intense.
• 1:33:22
  And so I've gotten really good at just completely shutting my
• 1:33:25
  brain off and experiencing it. And that's what I try to do with
• 1:33:29
  books as well because I'm like, if I think too hard about it,
• 1:33:31
  I'm going to figure it out and it won't.
• 1:33:32
  It's not going to hit as much. I want it to hit.
• 1:33:35
  I want to be surprised. I want to have those aha
• 1:33:37
  moments. So I think it'll revolve around
• 1:33:41
  a lane. I think it'll revolve around
• 1:33:43
  Azrael. Beyond that, I'm not guessing.
• 1:33:47
  I know the Queens probably have got something to do with it
• 1:33:50
  because I feel like they're running around doing stuff, but.
• 1:33:53
  We have our our Ecotar miniseries that we do and we
• 1:33:58
  deep dive into all the theories out on the interwebs because
• 1:34:05
  with me, there are so many. Overwhelming.
• 1:34:10
  Chelsea want, Chelsea wants to redeem Tamlin, but I think Sarah
• 1:34:15
  kind of showed us that maybe she's not going to give him a
• 1:34:17
  redemption arc. Yeah, but but I'm perfectly
• 1:34:22
  fine. But Chelsea, she's she truly
• 1:34:25
  wanted Tamlin to have that. But there are so many things.
• 1:34:29
  Big Tamlin apologists, yeah. Well, I just, I mean, I have
• 1:34:35
  thoughts. Do I think the book's going to
• 1:34:36
  be about Elaine? I think Elaine's going to be
• 1:34:38
  part of the story. I don't think she's going to be
• 1:34:41
  the entire story. I think there's a lot we don't
• 1:34:44
  know about because Elaine has gone through a lot and she
• 1:34:48
  hasn't said much. Elaine, now Nesta is a different
• 1:34:53
  kind of story. We know she went through a whole
• 1:34:54
  lot. We saw it because she was more
• 1:34:57
  open with every a lot more things.
• 1:35:00
  She showed her up. You know that she was angry.
• 1:35:03
  Elaine not showing any signs of truly of anger and stuff.
• 1:35:08
  And I I think that will play into it.
• 1:35:11
  I, I think there's something going on with Brie Axis now that
• 1:35:14
  we know that's a girl, I I think there's something with that.
• 1:35:17
  I think there's a reason. Why?
• 1:35:19
  I don't know why people were like, shocked about that.
• 1:35:21
  I just thought it was a shadow. I couldn't.
• 1:35:24
  Yeah, I had a gender. I thought it had a gender.
• 1:35:26
  I could have swore it was a lady.
• 1:35:28
  I Maybe she's like, like. Body bit I feel like body bit of
• 1:35:34
  fear. Ladies like the House of When is
• 1:35:37
  a girl, right? I think maybe that's why too,
• 1:35:41
  because everything else is women like a yeah, like you were
• 1:35:46
  saying, embodiment of women. But I think we're going to see
• 1:35:50
  more about, well, I think we're going to see more about more is
• 1:35:54
  what I think. Because she was very much absent
• 1:35:58
  there. Like you see a little bit in the
• 1:36:00
  the little Christmas novella and then you don't really see much
• 1:36:03
  of anything of her in silver flanks.
• 1:36:05
  Except for like right at the end and.
• 1:36:08
  And that's it. And there's nothing.
• 1:36:10
  And there's there's a reason Sarah's very intentional with
• 1:36:15
  everything she does. So I think there's something
• 1:36:19
  there. And I, I mean, there's like
• 1:36:20
  little tiny things like who is this woman that Azrael went to
• 1:36:24
  see at Rose Hall? Was that his mother?
• 1:36:28
  That was in the Christmas novella.
• 1:36:30
  It was just a little thing that was added in there, just a
• 1:36:33
  little sprinkle. Then there was no more talk
• 1:36:36
  about it. I, you know, is is Reese and
• 1:36:40
  going to be I mean, we all know that he is very dark.
• 1:36:44
  He has a dark side and all that. Is it going to come out?
• 1:36:47
  Is he going to be the oh, look at him.
• 1:36:50
  He's such a baby. A baby.
• 1:36:53
  I mean, I, I have a lot of theories, you know, why is there
• 1:36:57
  a pool of moonlight in the Supreme Court?
• 1:37:00
  You know, I mean we. Did not give up that as being
• 1:37:03
  real or not on the podcast so we could or could not.
• 1:37:10
  My one of my theories is I because as we know, all the
• 1:37:14
  series are interconnected. I think that room Dannon, his
• 1:37:20
  mother because there's bonus chapters where you can see where
• 1:37:22
  he talks to her stuff. I think this is my theory that
• 1:37:26
  she went through that, that pool of moonlight because all these
• 1:37:30
  areas are misty areas. Remember I think Tamlin and her
• 1:37:33
  were in a relationship. She gave him the pool of
• 1:37:36
  moonlight as a, you know, as a gift.
• 1:37:39
  And I think he pushed her through one of those misty
• 1:37:43
  places. I think she's in Midgard, and I
• 1:37:45
  think she's room Dannon's mother.
• 1:37:47
  And I think Room Dannon is Tamlin's child.
• 1:37:51
  But he's described as looking like Reese.
• 1:37:54
  Yeah, he looks like Reese. Well, well, if his mother is
• 1:37:57
  Reese's sister, the one that supposedly died.
• 1:38:01
  That's true. OK.
• 1:38:03
  Because when? When when Bryce went through and
• 1:38:06
  said hey, take me to the Prince of Hell, other theories with
• 1:38:09
  that. But who did she see?
• 1:38:11
  She saw Azrael and Reese was right there too because it was
• 1:38:14
  at the River House. It took her right there.
• 1:38:18
  So and then she thought Reese was room.
• 1:38:22
  Yeah. Why does room look so much like
• 1:38:25
  Reese? I understand there's the
• 1:38:27
  Starboard night, there's all that kind of extra kind of
• 1:38:29
  stuff. Yeah, I think there's something
• 1:38:32
  with Rune and Reese I've known. That I think they're super.
• 1:38:37
  He is the sweetest baby audience in the entire world.
• 1:38:42
  I'm telling you, he thinks he's this big.
• 1:38:45
  He does. He does.
• 1:38:46
  He thinks he's itty bitty. He does not realize that he's
• 1:38:49
  very big and because he's a boxer Pitbull.
• 1:38:52
  And so he's very big and very strong and has, Oh yeah, no
• 1:38:57
  idea. Has he ever pulled you pretty
• 1:39:00
  hard? Like you've been like trying to
• 1:39:01
  walk with him and he sees something he wants.
• 1:39:04
  So not really. We got him, we sent him away for
• 1:39:09
  training and he's he's pretty good on a lead.
• 1:39:14
  But even because we interviewed a bunch of different trainers
• 1:39:17
  before we decided on the one we went with and every single
• 1:39:21
  trainer we interviewed was like, oh, what's his breed?
• 1:39:24
  And we're like football boxer. And they're like, OK, we'll do
• 1:39:27
  our best. But they're like, those are two
• 1:39:30
  of the hardest breeds to train. So they're like, he's only going
• 1:39:34
  to really train so much Unless, you know, we were like, doing 6
• 1:39:39
  months intensive training, which we sent him away when he was, I
• 1:39:43
  think, like 3 months old. And I'm like, I don't want to be
• 1:39:46
  away from my dog for six months. Like, that's insane.
• 1:39:49
  Yeah. Wow.
• 1:39:52
  I don't know that. Sweet baby so.
• 1:39:55
  Sweet. My next door neighbor, they have
• 1:39:58
  a German shepherd and stuff and that's always her biggest fear
• 1:40:02
  is that she's going to see. She's going to see a squirrel or
• 1:40:09
  something or a cat and she's going to kill her off the porch.
• 1:40:13
  And plus now she's, she has something happening with her
• 1:40:16
  eyes and not, not my neighbor her, her German Shepherd, and
• 1:40:19
  she's lying in one eye or she can't see a lot in the other
• 1:40:23
  eye. She's not being able to see a
• 1:40:25
  whole lot. But I watched her the other day
• 1:40:27
  when I was talking to her, she saw a cat down the street and
• 1:40:31
  she was like, I'm like, I'm like, she saw it.
• 1:40:33
  Or at least, she's seen the movement and she knew.
• 1:40:37
  Oh, this dog has an aggressive prey instinct.
• 1:40:41
  Like luckily our cats taught him from a young age, don't mess
• 1:40:45
  with me. But he'll still like if they're
• 1:40:47
  walking by, he'll just be line and run at them.
• 1:40:50
  And I have to be like. Just be a known.
• 1:40:52
  He'll stop, but I'm like those, they will slap you in the face.
• 1:40:56
  They don't care. Well, I seen a video on
• 1:41:00
  Instagram and it was, it was a pit bull and it was raised by
• 1:41:06
  cats like from when it was like really itty bitty.
• 1:41:09
  And it he thinks that he's a cat.
• 1:41:12
  He likes to curl up in the little cat beds.
• 1:41:15
  He actually like licks and baths himself kind of like a cat and
• 1:41:19
  everything. And I'm like, isn't that
• 1:41:21
  interesting? Just it was a learned behavior
• 1:41:23
  by who he was raised by. Yeah, I think he's like, people
• 1:41:26
  curl up on the back of our couch, and I think he learned
• 1:41:29
  that from our cats because he saw them doing it since he was
• 1:41:32
  in Betty. Yeah.
• 1:41:35
  Oh, but he's so cute. I love animals, I just can't do
• 1:41:38
  one right now. Well, you.
• 1:41:41
  Have a lot of. Allergies and stuff at your
• 1:41:43
  house too. Don't.
• 1:41:44
  You, my oldest and my husband are extremely allergic to cats,
• 1:41:48
  so we can't do cats and then dogs like dander kind of gets to
• 1:41:53
  the oldest, but I, I just, I mean, we don't have a pets and
• 1:41:59
  cats are awesome because you can leave for a weekend and they'll
• 1:42:02
  be fine. Dogs are a lot of work.
• 1:42:05
  And when you've got little ones and the dog, that's like, it's
• 1:42:10
  like another child around. It's, it's a ton, yeah.
• 1:42:13
  What? Heather, why don't you get one
• 1:42:15
  of the cats that don't have any hair, Ones that look like a
• 1:42:18
  ball, You know, the ones that look like a ball sack.
• 1:42:20
  You know what I'm talking about. I want to get one of the cats
• 1:42:24
  that I forget the like actual name for it, but the nickname is
• 1:42:28
  Werewolf cat because they look like werewolves.
• 1:42:31
  They're not. They're super hypoallergenic as
• 1:42:34
  well because they're not necessarily completely furless,
• 1:42:37
  but they look furless with a very thin layer of pitch black
• 1:42:42
  fur. Cool, very tough to the ears and
• 1:42:44
  like bright yellow eyes. They look like little werewolf.
• 1:42:48
  Cool so bad maybe. You could have one of those,
• 1:42:51
  Heather. Maybe, I don't know, We'll have
• 1:42:53
  to test it out. And see.
• 1:42:56
  Trial and see what we like. Well, see, my, my cousin, well,
• 1:43:01
  my cousin, she was allergic to cats, so she couldn't have a
• 1:43:04
  cat. So they had one of those little
• 1:43:06
  tiny miniature poodles because they're hypoallergenic.
• 1:43:09
  Yeah. And she had Frazier for years.
• 1:43:11
  I think Frazier was 17 when he passed away.
• 1:43:16
  And he was out and he was, and he was Frazier, and you had to
• 1:43:19
  see him. He was named after.
• 1:43:20
  I think she named him after the TV.
• 1:43:22
  Show the TV. Yeah, I've seen every single
• 1:43:25
  episode of that show no less than 100 times each.
• 1:43:28
  It used to be just like my background show that would loop
• 1:43:32
  forever and always. And they rebooted it.
• 1:43:35
  Have you seen the new boot? So bad.
• 1:43:39
  So bad. Reboots are so bad.
• 1:43:42
  I just. It's just.
• 1:43:43
  I'm like, just leave it. Yeah, it.
• 1:43:45
  Was done it First off, went on too long anyways, right?
• 1:43:49
  And it's like, not you ended it, you ended it, fine, let it be
• 1:43:54
  over. Yeah, I feel like some of those
• 1:43:56
  older shows are older and and good in their era because now
• 1:44:02
  our era is very tech and you can't kind of bring that
• 1:44:07
  nostalgia back in this era. Well, very much like How I Met
• 1:44:12
  Your Mother where, you know, every single night they're like
• 1:44:15
  all going to bars. And like, they literally
• 1:44:18
  addressed it on an episode where they're debating and then in
• 1:44:21
  conversation and like having all these moments, but then as soon
• 1:44:24
  as they introduce phones, there's there's no need for
• 1:44:27
  debate anymore. You're just looking it up on
• 1:44:29
  Google. So yeah, I agree.
• 1:44:31
  I think a lot of those shows, it's like you're not going to be
• 1:44:33
  able to recount that. And also very different time
• 1:44:38
  period. Even something like The Office
• 1:44:40
  couldn't be made today. No, like not done.
• 1:44:43
  And I love the Office. I love that show is so much.
• 1:44:47
  But there's a lot of problematic things, right?
• 1:44:50
  And if you were trying to make it for this audience, it
• 1:44:53
  wouldn't fly. The one that the show that got
• 1:44:57
  me now I love Charmed, the original Charmed.
• 1:45:01
  That was one of my favorite, absolute favorite shows.
• 1:45:04
  I can watch it over and over again, that kind of thing.
• 1:45:07
  I have not watched the reboot because I've heard so many
• 1:45:11
  people say it's not. I haven't.
• 1:45:14
  It's not the same feels that I would.
• 1:45:16
  Have right. Yeah.
• 1:45:18
  You know, and then they also did.
• 1:45:20
  Now I haven't watched this and but I didn't really watch the
• 1:45:23
  other one either but they have the reboot is Malcolm in the
• 1:45:26
  Middle. Oh yeah, the first one like the
• 1:45:29
  original. I haven't seen the reboot yet.
• 1:45:32
  I haven't now. They did recast the youngest
• 1:45:35
  brother because he had no interest in coming back to the
• 1:45:39
  world of acting. He is an academic person now.
• 1:45:42
  He's at Harvard studying and they recast him though with a
• 1:45:46
  guy and he gave the guy his blessing, everything, the person
• 1:45:49
  that is playing his part. Interesting.
• 1:45:52
  But it's interesting how a lot of the shows that we used to
• 1:45:56
  watch, like I can watch Golden Girls, Designing Women, I love
• 1:46:00
  those shows. I can watch Friends over and
• 1:46:04
  over and over again and it does not matter to me.
• 1:46:08
  It's weird. What shows are your comfort
• 1:46:11
  shows? But yeah, The Office is one of
• 1:46:14
  my comfort shows. I love that I can watch, I can
• 1:46:17
  watch the same episode 10 times and just and still it I laugh.
• 1:46:22
  It makes me I know I love those. And I did never, I did never
• 1:46:27
  watch The Office, The original, The Office, the one that was
• 1:46:30
  made in England, the original. I've never seen it.
• 1:46:34
  Nothing the I will say the first season of the UK and the US are
• 1:46:39
  almost word for word like they are identical remates, but then
• 1:46:44
  obviously the US decided to go in a different direction with
• 1:46:48
  their second season, but so I've only seen the first season of
• 1:46:50
  the UK one. Interesting.
• 1:46:52
  I didn't know there was it shows.
• 1:46:54
  Yeah, that's cool. What are you currently watching
• 1:46:57
  on TV right now? Is there any new shows that are
• 1:47:00
  out because there's so many? With Netflix, with Hulu, with
• 1:47:04
  all these different things, what has piqued your interest right
• 1:47:07
  now besides your your reality shows?
• 1:47:10
  This isn't current by any stretch of the imagination, but
• 1:47:14
  I am watching for me the first time, not for my husband, but
• 1:47:18
  we're together watching The Shield.
• 1:47:21
  He also introduced me to The Sopranos.
• 1:47:23
  And I was like, this is one of the best TV shows I've ever seen
• 1:47:27
  in my life. I want to watch something else
• 1:47:28
  that's the same vibe. Yeah, like, well, if you like
• 1:47:31
  The Sopranos, he's like, it's not as good, but we should watch
• 1:47:34
  The Shield. He was like, I think he'd really
• 1:47:35
  like it. So we're in the second to last
• 1:47:38
  season of that one. And then for actual current
• 1:47:42
  stuff, we just finished. We're so far behind, but we just
• 1:47:46
  finished Season 2 of Severance. Real angry that they only just
• 1:47:52
  started filming Season 3, so who knows when we're gonna get that.
• 1:47:57
  We watch White Lotus again whenever HBO was always like,
• 1:48:01
  you get it when you get it. Yeah.
• 1:48:04
  Apple TV and HBO, I feel like I'll buy it if it's something
• 1:48:09
  that I want to watch, and then I get rid of it because they don't
• 1:48:12
  have consistent things that I like.
• 1:48:14
  But I also don't have enough documentaries and enough horror
• 1:48:18
  movies that I'm like, OK, it's worth it for me, Yeah.
• 1:48:23
  I've been watching. Well I'm waiting for season 3 to
• 1:48:26
  come out. I hope they do season 3 at
• 1:48:28
  least. I'm hoping on Hulu they have
• 1:48:30
  it's 9 perfect strangers. Yes.
• 1:48:33
  So I didn't watch the second season.
• 1:48:35
  I saw the first season of it and my second.
• 1:48:38
  Season is a book. And said the book was really
• 1:48:42
  good. She said she liked the book a
• 1:48:43
  lot better than she liked the show.
• 1:48:45
  I didn't even know it was a book.
• 1:48:48
  So there you go, you gave me information 9.
• 1:48:51
  Perfect Strangers is the one that it had Nicole Kidman in
• 1:48:53
  season. Yes, okay.
• 1:48:54
  I was thinking, I was like, I'm thinking of the wrong thing.
• 1:48:57
  Yeah. And it's crazy.
• 1:48:59
  Episode of that. Okay.
• 1:49:01
  It gets crazy the whole that whole season and then the second
• 1:49:05
  season she goes to it's a different location, same kind of
• 1:49:10
  things, but it's it. But you're getting deeper and
• 1:49:14
  deeper into and. She is still in it.
• 1:49:18
  Yes, yes, interesting, because you're and you, you have a new
• 1:49:22
  cast of people with her though she's.
• 1:49:25
  Kind of very like White Lotus style, is that it?
• 1:49:28
  The girl, the girl that was in Schitt's Creek, the one that
• 1:49:33
  played Alexis, she's in season 2 and she plays a a girl named
• 1:49:38
  Emma Jean and, and she's completely different than how
• 1:49:43
  she was on Schitt's Creek. We were just my sisters PA with
• 1:49:49
  me at this book event that I went to.
• 1:49:51
  And so when we were at the hotel, we're slowly catching up
• 1:49:55
  one of my sisters on Schitt's Creek because she never seen it.
• 1:49:58
  And she we're in the very last season right now, and she's so
• 1:50:03
  convinced something bad's going to happen.
• 1:50:05
  She leaves being like, Patrick's going to die.
• 1:50:06
  Patrick's going to die. Yeah, this character's going to
• 1:50:09
  die. These people are going to break
• 1:50:10
  up. And I'm like, what about this
• 1:50:13
  wholesome act, beautiful, happy show leads you to believe
• 1:50:18
  something tragic is going to happen?
• 1:50:20
  Childhood trauma? Literally, I'm like, it's not.
• 1:50:23
  I literally, I looked at her and I was like, it's not a romantic
• 1:50:26
  scene. Like that, That is one of the
• 1:50:30
  best shows that have ever been done and.
• 1:50:34
  Just. Perfect.
• 1:50:36
  I'm so sad that we we lost Moira there, you know, because she was
• 1:50:42
  absolutely amazing. And they were interviewing Dan
• 1:50:47
  after, you know, they were doing an interview and because they
• 1:50:50
  were up where they filmed, you know, at the different locations
• 1:50:53
  and stuff. And they said, do you think
• 1:50:56
  you'll you'll do it ever do a movie?
• 1:50:58
  And he said before, you know, losing Catherine, you know, he
• 1:51:03
  said before that he said, yes, But he said now he said.
• 1:51:07
  You can't do it without. Her.
• 1:51:08
  Oh, you couldn't have. You could not have.
• 1:51:10
  Moira missing. Phone of that show.
• 1:51:13
  She was so funny and she cracked me up.
• 1:51:16
  Everything it and just in most of what you saw there, it was
• 1:51:20
  her. It was just her.
• 1:51:21
  No take was the same. He was like in there.
• 1:51:25
  Another, I think it's Apple TVI want to say is the studio, and
• 1:51:30
  she was in the first season of that.
• 1:51:32
  And that show is so good. It is so good.
• 1:51:37
  It is brilliant. It's incredibly well done.
• 1:51:40
  It's also like a lot of my friends and family are very
• 1:51:43
  heavily involved in acting and filmmaking.
• 1:51:46
  So like coming from that background as well.
• 1:51:48
  It's just it like it hits very close to home.
• 1:51:51
  But her character in it is the same with shit she's seen, seen
• 1:51:56
  like any scene she's in. She is the only one that you can
• 1:51:59
  pay attention. Nice.
• 1:52:01
  Yeah. I love that.
• 1:52:02
  I have to say that is one of my favorite, absolute favorite
• 1:52:05
  shows and for comedy and the warmthness of it, I I love that.
• 1:52:11
  And then one of my other all time favorite shows that I will
• 1:52:14
  watch over and over again. I cannot watch it with my
• 1:52:16
  children because it is not children, but I will watch Sex
• 1:52:20
  and the City. I love Sex and the City, it was
• 1:52:23
  one of my favorite. Yeah, I was a curmudgeon from a
• 1:52:26
  young age. And so whenever anything was
• 1:52:29
  like popular with that, I'm not gonna like that.
• 1:52:31
  And so it was just, it was a show I never got into because
• 1:52:34
  everyone liked it and I refused, I guess.
• 1:52:37
  The first season, in my opinion, is very kind of cringy in a lot
• 1:52:40
  of ways because of how they do things, because of how she's
• 1:52:43
  talking more to the camera kind of thing.
• 1:52:45
  And then as the seasons go, it's better.
• 1:52:48
  And then they have the one season where she was actually
• 1:52:51
  pregnant in real life. So it's a shorter season.
• 1:52:54
  It's kind of a weird season, but the the the final season that
• 1:52:58
  they split into two, It's very good in the story.
• 1:53:01
  I I liked it, but I did not, I did not watch the reboot, but I
• 1:53:05
  did watch that. See, that's another reboot.
• 1:53:07
  I did watch the clips and stuff from it and I was not.
• 1:53:11
  It didn't make sense half of what they were doing because who
• 1:53:15
  their characters were and what they evolved them into, it's not
• 1:53:19
  who you thought they would be in that.
• 1:53:22
  Yeah. That second thing, so I think
• 1:53:24
  they did a disservice to the original franchise with the the
• 1:53:30
  second thing of whatever it was called what just like that or.
• 1:53:33
  Whatever. Yeah, that's exact.
• 1:53:35
  Because that was the one where it was like a younger
• 1:53:37
  generation, right? Well, yeah.
• 1:53:40
  Well, it's them. They're in their 50s and
• 1:53:42
  whatever. And they they, they eliminate
• 1:53:45
  him. Yeah, yeah, like she's married
• 1:53:48
  the big and I mean. He has his peloton.
• 1:53:53
  Yeah, something happened to big and then it just kind of like
• 1:53:56
  changes her life. So she becomes kind of like
• 1:54:00
  stuck and she goes. After Natasha and it's weird.
• 1:54:04
  It's. It's different.
• 1:54:06
  I don't know. It's it's another one of those
• 1:54:07
  series that's nostalgic in its own era.
• 1:54:10
  Like, yeah, the way that those girls were in their era is not
• 1:54:15
  how they're gonna be today in the technology world.
• 1:54:18
  Yeah, it's just. But it's it's real weird.
• 1:54:20
  And then Charlotte is is very odd with it and then her kids
• 1:54:25
  and then her oldest daughter and and Brady get together and it's
• 1:54:30
  just it it's just, I mean, I understand it could happen, you
• 1:54:34
  know, because they were friends, but it's just and it's very it's
• 1:54:36
  just weird on how some of them it's just every every.
• 1:54:40
  Social thing, you just lose the charm.
• 1:54:42
  Like, well, I think they tried to do too many things, things
• 1:54:47
  that were popular of ideas like, you know, everything possible,
• 1:54:53
  you know, you know, what is the word that everybody's, you know,
• 1:54:58
  I'm trying to think of it social acceptable kind of things.
• 1:55:02
  They had to do everything instead of just doing like one
• 1:55:06
  or two, they did everything that could possibly be.
• 1:55:10
  And I think that might have been the detriment to yes, it was the
• 1:55:14
  detriment to that show. It was too many.
• 1:55:17
  It's like when you read a book and they throw every trope in.
• 1:55:20
  Yes, catch all of them. All of them.
• 1:55:23
  Yeah, exactly. Like, please stop.
• 1:55:28
  Which is. I felt a little bit with
• 1:55:30
  Quicksilver the whole time I was reading.
• 1:55:33
  I was like, we're just just getting all of them, aren't we?
• 1:55:37
  Yeah, I listen to that on audiobooks, so I think I missed
• 1:55:41
  a lot of that stuff. Because Anthony Palomini does
• 1:55:46
  amazing audiobooks. I love this voice.
• 1:55:48
  Started listening to the audiobook of that one and I
• 1:55:51
  don't know why, but I couldn't get into it.
• 1:55:54
  Yeah, but I, so I just, I switched to the physical copy
• 1:55:57
  because I had that. Yes, it's definitely one of
• 1:55:59
  those like when I was like with Roto Bones, it was like, OK, I
• 1:56:03
  need to kind of follow along somewhere.
• 1:56:06
  And then eventually like I caught up and I was like, OK, I
• 1:56:08
  know this person. I know who that voice is and
• 1:56:11
  this person and Creeper and yeah, all that stuff.
• 1:56:15
  So. I I liked quick and I have not
• 1:56:17
  read Brimstone yet. I have it sitting up.
• 1:56:20
  It's sitting on my shelf. It's been there.
• 1:56:22
  I pre-ordered it and it's sitting up there and I just
• 1:56:25
  haven't gotten myself into that mindset to go into it.
• 1:56:28
  But I did like Quicksilver. I like the end of it because to
• 1:56:32
  me that last bit like when he when she wakes up kind of moment
• 1:56:37
  thing and then they look out the balcony and they look out to me.
• 1:56:42
  It's like such a cinematic moment in my mind.
• 1:56:45
  And it's like, you know, like how at the end of the movie,
• 1:56:47
  like something shocking happens. It's like a cliffhanger and then
• 1:56:50
  the camera pans and all that. That's what I see now.
• 1:56:53
  Do you now, I'm going to ask you now, are you a visual?
• 1:56:57
  When you read, do you see a movie in your mind?
• 1:57:00
  I'm shocked that people don't. See that?
• 1:57:03
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people, they don't see it.
• 1:57:06
  Or a lot of people also don't think in words, if that makes
• 1:57:11
  sense. Like they just like think in
• 1:57:13
  concept, but instead of like actually thinking out the
• 1:57:17
  sentence, they're just aware of what they're trying to come up
• 1:57:20
  with. I think in sentences I think in
• 1:57:22
  like full. Narration.
• 1:57:24
  But I mean, I hear their voices, I hear, I see them, I hear their
• 1:57:29
  voices. I mean, it might not be like
• 1:57:31
  some people see like real, like big detail.
• 1:57:34
  I don't know if I'm quite to that end of it, but I see it and
• 1:57:38
  everything. But I mean, it's weird to me
• 1:57:41
  that I that like when I'm thinking about something, I hear
• 1:57:44
  my own voice in my mind when I'm there and there are people that
• 1:57:47
  don't. Hear yeah, they don't have their
• 1:57:49
  inner mom voice or something like that, but they say it's
• 1:57:52
  your mom's voice in your head or something like that.
• 1:57:55
  But I have, I do talk to myself in my head.
• 1:57:59
  You have great conversations myself and I, I, I talk to
• 1:58:03
  myself and my pets because I, you know, my husband works.
• 1:58:06
  Then I stay at home and write and so it's my favorite thing is
• 1:58:10
  whenever he leaves the house, I like to see how long I can go
• 1:58:13
  without speaking or like making a single sound.
• 1:58:17
  I always say to my mom friends, I take for granted how very
• 1:58:20
  quiet my life is. But inevitably the reason I
• 1:58:25
  start talking whenever I do is because I'm having a
• 1:58:28
  conversation with either my cats or my dog.
• 1:58:30
  Yeah, oh, yeah, I'll be like doing chores and I'll be like,
• 1:58:34
  oh, I need to go do that. And I like, talk out loud like
• 1:58:38
  this whole like playing to myself, like, OK, we're going to
• 1:58:40
  do this. Then I, oh, I forgot to do that.
• 1:58:43
  Then my 80s catches on. I talk to myself a lot because
• 1:58:48
  like what I'm doing and then my kids will ask me and they're
• 1:58:50
  like mom because I homeschool. So my kids are always with me
• 1:58:52
  and they're like, who are you talking?
• 1:58:53
  To Yeah, I said. I'm.
• 1:58:54
  Talking to myself and you're like, don't.
• 1:58:56
  Worry about it, it's your business who I'm talking to you.
• 1:58:59
  And they're just because they're nosy.
• 1:59:00
  They're nosy. People are like, what are you
• 1:59:02
  talking about? Yeah, my 5 year old is very
• 1:59:04
  curious these days, you know, so I have to like watch what I'm
• 1:59:08
  doing sometimes because just like mom, what do you do?
• 1:59:11
  Who are you talking to? Like my book is or like I'll
• 1:59:15
  laugh, you know, like when I'm. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:59:17
  Reading. He's like, what's so funny?
• 1:59:19
  Why are you laughing, Mom? And you're just at the cusp of
• 1:59:24
  the age of that. He's paying attention and he
• 1:59:26
  knows and he will pick up on. Things, yeah, cuz now my old man
• 1:59:32
  sometimes because he thinks that might.
• 1:59:35
  Oh yeah. Now my oldest has no interest in
• 1:59:39
  he's like his dad has no interest in what I'm reading,
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  what I'm doing. Now the middle 10, he's he's
• 1:59:44
  more he wants to know, like he was asking me today because he
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  knew what we were doing this today and he was asking me
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  questions about your books and stuff.
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  And I was telling him just about what I read from the, you know,
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  the first one there. And he's like, oh, he's like,
• 1:59:58
  that's interesting. I hope I can instill into at
• 2:00:01
  least one of my children the love of reading.
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  Yeah. My, my little 1.
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  I don't know. She's kind of she's on.
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  She's little. Yeah.
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  I mean, she's 10, but she's kind of.
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  I I don't know which way she'll go.
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  My oldest, I know I bought him the Witcher set for Christmas
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  and not because he loves the Witcher and him and I have now
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  he's again, I told you he's going to be 16.
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  Him and I have been watching The Witcher on Netflix.
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  We send the other ones away because there is a lot of boobs.
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  I did not like we got Episode 1 into the third season and I
• 2:00:39
  couldn't. Oh, I didn't with Liam.
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  I boycott it. I was like Nope, I'm not sorry.
• 2:00:45
  I'm still in season. One season 1 is great, Season 1
• 2:00:50
  is incredible. Season 2 I liked more than a lot
• 2:00:52
  of people did, but I understand why people had their issues with
• 2:00:56
  it. Season 3, I was no, I don't have
• 2:01:00
  enough time to waste it on something I don't like, right?
• 2:01:02
  Yeah. Well, see, I didn't know.
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  Let's see. And I've watched all of the
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  video game because my husband has played all of them.
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  And I love the storyline with it.
• 2:01:12
  And I'm like, Gerald really gets the ladies.
• 2:01:15
  And so we started watching The Witcher and I was like, I'm
• 2:01:20
  like, who is this person? Because I don't remember any of
• 2:01:23
  this from the video game. But my son, he remember I bought
• 2:01:26
  him the book. So I mean, he obviously has read
• 2:01:28
  the first book now because he was telling me he's like, that's
• 2:01:31
  he's like, that's Jennifer. And I'm like, that's Jennifer.
• 2:01:35
  And I was like, oh, I'm like, she was.
• 2:01:37
  And I didn't know that. And he's like, yeah, mom, he's
• 2:01:39
  like she was she had a humpback and all this.
• 2:01:42
  And I'm like, well, yeah, it but so you should be watching this
• 2:01:46
  with my son. That's and there's poops he.
• 2:01:49
  Doesn't. Make any comments.
• 2:01:51
  And he doesn't seem like he's like, now my age.
• 2:01:54
  I would have been like, so embarrassed sitting with my mom
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  or whatever if there was naked things on the screen.
• 2:01:59
  Yeah, he shows. But maybe it's because he's
• 2:02:01
  homeschooled and we talk and we're very open and we talk
• 2:02:04
  about everything. Maybe that's why he doesn't have
• 2:02:07
  any. Fantasy settings, so it doesn't
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  feel real. It feels very fantastic, like
• 2:02:12
  book characters. I've got 10 nephews and I have
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  told them because a lot of them are like, well, when can I read
• 2:02:21
  Aunt Partners? But I've told them in no
• 2:02:24
  uncertain terms. I'm like, First off, not until
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  you're over 18. And 2nd off, if you ever read
• 2:02:29
  anything I write, I don't want to know about it.
• 2:02:32
  I don't want to know how my nieces react to anything that I
• 2:02:36
  I'm like, Nope, Nope. Yeah, read it if you want to
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  once you're 18, but do not tell me about it.
• 2:02:42
  I've seen different authors in that they'll write like at the
• 2:02:45
  beginning of their book for like their mom.
• 2:02:47
  You can't read these. Don't read these chapters or
• 2:02:50
  you're not allowed to read my books.
• 2:02:51
  Oh, yeah, I could see that. My parents are authors, and so
• 2:02:54
  they're like, very big and very supportive.
• 2:02:57
  And my mom was making some comment about like, I can't wait
• 2:03:01
  to read it. And I went please, no.
• 2:03:04
  She was like, of course I'm going to read it.
• 2:03:06
  And my dad was like, I was like, we, we don't want to read these
• 2:03:10
  books. I was like, no, you don't want
• 2:03:12
  to read these books, please. What genre do they write?
• 2:03:16
  Yeah, Christian novels. OK.
• 2:03:19
  Oh yeah, Very, very religious. Yeah.
• 2:03:24
  So have you read what they wrote?
• 2:03:28
  OK. I'm not the target audience.
• 2:03:34
  They are both good writers. They're and they're great, very
• 2:03:38
  supportive people. I'm not the target audience.
• 2:03:40
  So isn't that so funny how we become so opposite like some of
• 2:03:44
  us are not apple from a tree, like, yeah, very different
• 2:03:49
  realities. That's that's me and my brother.
• 2:03:52
  He and I are very much are our own people in that sentence.
• 2:03:57
  Yeah. That does your does your brother
• 2:03:59
  write since you you seem to have a lot of authors in your family.
• 2:04:03
  No, I'm the only one of my siblings.
• 2:04:05
  There's five of us. I'm the youngest of five.
• 2:04:07
  I'm the only one who pursued any kind of writing.
• 2:04:11
  But all of us are very, very active readers.
• 2:04:15
  And his partner, actually, I went and did a book convention
• 2:04:20
  because he lives in DC and I did a convention in DC and he was
• 2:04:23
  there with me. And so I left copies of my book
• 2:04:26
  for his partner because I know that she likes fantasy.
• 2:04:29
  She actually likes the Witcher series as well.
• 2:04:31
  And she has now become my #1 fan and is obsessed with it.
• 2:04:38
  Nice. And.
• 2:04:39
  I my sky went away. Oh, no, sorry.
• 2:04:42
  Oh no. I didn't notice my sky, I was so
• 2:04:45
  I was engrossed in our covers. I just noticed I have no stars
• 2:04:49
  above me. That's pretty neat, but I will
• 2:04:52
  think 1. Of my sisters or two of my
• 2:04:55
  sisters actually are beta readers for me.
• 2:04:58
  I have a very, very small circle of beta readers cuz I am
• 2:05:02
  incredibly influenceable. So like, I'm the type of author
• 2:05:07
  where I want to make sure I'm doing it to where everyone's
• 2:05:11
  gonna like it. And I, you know, I wanna like,
• 2:05:13
  head off bad reviews before they get there.
• 2:05:15
  And so then I find myself losing my voice and losing the story
• 2:05:20
  that I'm actually trying to tell.
• 2:05:22
  So I keep, I keep my beta readers, a very small team of
• 2:05:25
  people who all know me in real life and have been reading my
• 2:05:29
  writing my entire life. Yeah, that's good.
• 2:05:32
  So that they can be like, no, this is this is your voice.
• 2:05:34
  You're not losing your voice. That's so good.
• 2:05:37
  That's exciting. But hey, I have to tell you all,
• 2:05:40
  this has been fun today, yeah? It has been now are you?
• 2:05:44
  Now, would you like to come back in October so we could talk
• 2:05:48
  about whatever this amazing new book is?
• 2:05:51
  Almost said the title. I'm really glad I caught myself
• 2:05:53
  up the last second. Dang it, we almost got a
• 2:05:55
  Rebecca. I had a lot of fun the other day
• 2:05:59
  with my street team because they obviously get a lot of updates
• 2:06:03
  before other people do. And I just told them to like
• 2:06:05
  acronym for it and have them guess what they thought the
• 2:06:09
  title was. And one girl got it almost
• 2:06:11
  exactly right. She was one word off.
• 2:06:13
  I was like, you nearly got the entire title.
• 2:06:16
  Wow, that. Is pretty darn neat now.
• 2:06:19
  OK, so now we know that the Entwine is not a trilogy, it's
• 2:06:23
  an ongoing series and Magpie Now are officially on.
• 2:06:27
  They should be on everybody's TBR list.
• 2:06:30
  Everybody should go out and buy these now.
• 2:06:33
  Where do you prefer people to get your books from?
• 2:06:35
  Do you like it if they order them directly from your website?
• 2:06:39
  Or where do you like them to order?
• 2:06:40
  It is whatever. My website only ships to the
• 2:06:43
  continental US, but if you order through my website, you get it
• 2:06:47
  signed and EBIT art print. So that's fun.
• 2:06:50
  And then but if anywhere else Amazon ships you, I will say
• 2:06:57
  with the unfortunate exception of the book that I just released
• 2:06:59
  because Amazon messed it up and I'm in the process of trying to
• 2:07:04
  figure it out. But for whatever reason, they
• 2:07:06
  won't let me order author copies and they do not have the
• 2:07:09
  paperback available for sale in the US and the UK.
• 2:07:15
  They don't know why I was just they're lagging these days.
• 2:07:19
  They're really mad about. Yeah, they do some weird things
• 2:07:23
  like last year when Carrie likes Book Eldridge came out, it was
• 2:07:27
  supposed to come out and the people that ordered the ebook
• 2:07:33
  version got it. But the paperback cuz I ordered
• 2:07:36
  paperback. Yeah, I pre-ordered it.
• 2:07:38
  It was over a week cuz it wouldn't let her do what she was
• 2:07:43
  supposed to do and she's like this is stupid.
• 2:07:45
  Yeah. So I, I will just say I'm aware
• 2:07:48
  of that problem. I am actively trying to fix it,
• 2:07:51
  but they are, you know, not helpful.
• 2:07:55
  But everything else, yeah, you can order on Amazon.
• 2:07:58
  You can get it from my website if you're in the continental
• 2:08:00
  United States, But and then obviously they're also all on
• 2:08:04
  Kindle Unlimited as well. Nice.
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  Thank you. Awesome.
• 2:08:49
  Thanks so much for having me. This was a lot of fun.
• 2:08:51
  I have a chit chat. I love this and I will send you
• 2:08:55
  some of my annotations to your Absolutely please do.
• 2:08:59
  That's so cool and I love getting to.
• 2:09:02
  You and we will see you again in October.
• 2:09:05
  I don't know when you would like to do this because you said
• 2:09:08
  you're thinking October 9th when your book comes out.
• 2:09:11
  So we can either we can be ahead of time, we can be the week that
• 2:09:15
  your book comes out, or we can look forward to or after your
• 2:09:20
  book does come out. So I think they may be ahead of
• 2:09:23
  time just because I have a lot of conventions right after that.
• 2:09:26
  So my recording schedule, it just gets a little tighter
• 2:09:31
  October and November, but September is there.
• 2:09:34
  September sounds good to us. Yeah, fun because that would be
• 2:09:37
  super fun. But thank you again, Parker,
• 2:09:39
  thank you for coming on. Thank you for coming and talking
• 2:09:41
  to us because we're crazy, but thank you and I look forward to
• 2:09:46
  reading all of your books and I hope everyone else does too.
• 2:09:51
  Me too, thank you all for having me.
• 2:09:54
  I'll see y'all in September. See you soon.
• 2:09:56
  Fantastic. Good night book babes.
• 2:10:00
  Bye.