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Did the Panthers Just Have the Greatest Offseason Ever? · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

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  [SPEAKER_04]: Tony Darn, and not to it, but to do it, brother, let's roll!
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Boys for lunch is me.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Did the Carolina Panthers just pull off the greatest offseason in franchise history?
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  [SPEAKER_09]: It's Dan Morgan, the greatest GM in Panther history.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: And is he a dang bank robber who pulled off the heist of the century with her Sheed Walker man, we're telling you this is going to be a great show tonight.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: You're listening to the sea three Panthers podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: My name's Tony done the longest running Panthers podcast around.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks for tuning in.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm with my wheel.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, not my wheel, man.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: My partner in crime.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: C. K. How you doing, my friend?
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  [SPEAKER_08]: Man, it's good to have another week of, you know, some positive movement, you know, as Panthers fans, I mean, I think we've been accustomed to the offseason being, you know, one of the slower moments.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: And here we are, we're aggressive and free agency, opening ourselves up for whatever falls our way in the draft.
• 1:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: And Tony, I couldn't tell you how excited I was that after we got off of the show that that next day we had the Walker signing because I knew how important on that show that was to you.
• 1:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: So to be able to come here to talk about how that is going to leave you feeling a lot better about the way this off season is falling.
• 1:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: But, man, it's, it's, it's really becoming, you know, you're starting to see the vision that they have, and that's super, you know, super valuable when you think about the fact that they're putting so much effort into this defense, but they also aren't ignoring the offense.
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: And, and, and so.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: Having this, this week to talk about that stuff that I think we really have to start thinking about the draft a lot more intentionally now because for agencies pretty much done at this stage.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: So we've got to start thinking about those young guys that are going to be the future of the Carolina Panthers.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: And I couldn't tell you a better place that rather be on Tuesday night than chalking up with you fellas.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: It's been a while since we had a couple of extra people on the at least one extra person on the podcast.
• 2:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: We've got a lot to talk about tonight.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll look over all at free agency and like you mentioned, we now can talk about the draft with, like, actually, so, you know, like direction rather than direction open, and ended a little more predictable.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, having some good schools.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: just like the team has to work with.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: So we'll be looking at Panthers free agency overall.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll be diving into some new signings that have happened since last week when we did the show.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to look at the J1 Phillips contract numbers and how gargantuan they are and how they look in is that a overpay or bold move will be also looking at the NFC South.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: and this arms race for number one, they're actually the odds are everybody is, again, fighting for number one.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Like if you look at the odds today, it's the closest divisions odds.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: So we'll see if the Panthers got to edge or what the other teams were doing.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: And a fun way to end the show,
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  [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to be looking at the historic context of free agency and ranking not only free agents, free agency years overall, but looking at some of the hits and miss of the past and trying to see if we can see any parallels to that.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: So thanks everybody for tuning in to the longest run in Panthers podcast.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you to everybody in the chat from VR Hope dealer, bees, knees, Harvey London.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: I saw the inconspicuous BXC and I saw my bastard son, white chocolate espresso in there.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Echo forge sounds, thanks for tuning in.
• 4:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: guys we got a good show tonight because we've got a new guest on the show tonight and it is a for we are a podcast by fans for fans or we're not football experts but we're expert football fans and a lot of time we talk about the show having a family vibe CK and tonight I think we've merged to in one fan expert fan and family CK I'm gonna let you do the honors and bring in
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  [SPEAKER_08]: Hey, everybody, if we wanted to make you any more confused between having two codies on the podcast where my name is now CK, we've added another person here by the name of DK, who happens to be my cousin, if you guys couldn't tell by the,
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  [SPEAKER_08]: features that are all very similar, but he's been a Panthers fan since he, you know, since the early onset of the Panthers exist.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: And so everybody do me a favor, show him some love in the chat.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: This is DK.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: He could choose whether he wants to do DK or do Dan, but either way, it works for us.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, either one out there, don't matter to me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a pleasure to be here, guys.
• 5:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I appreciate you having me.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: And again, definitely like being here with my bald bearded brethren, you know,
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: I hear you.
• 5:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: I tell you one thing God did is is if he didn't bless people with air on the top of the head He did always bless them with a beautifully shaped head.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel I always say Baldwin bearded is beautiful.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's three bees of life.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: My family
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  [SPEAKER_09]: So one of the things we like to do in the past is feature fans talking about how they became a Panther fan.
• 6:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: And so I think this would be a good way to kind of just introduce yourself to people that are listening to.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: DK Tell us about how you became a Panther fan and what that kind of just give us some insight in that.
• 6:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, it literally started the inaugural season 1995, my dad.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: He entered a raffle back in the day.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: and he won a jersey and at that point I didn't really care.
• 6:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't have a team.
• 6:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, there wasn't anything that really mattered.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I was young at that point.
• 6:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was 10 years old.
• 6:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: But he won this rifle and it was a game worn in the inaugural season, Frank Reich jersey.
• 6:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got that jersey and the fact that it, I mean, it had the inaugural patch.
• 6:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was a game war in Jersey.
• 6:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I didn't mean a lot.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All that stuff didn't mean a lot, but the fact that my dad wanted it was one of the first seasons ever since then, I've just literally been all about Carolina Panthers.
• 6:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Bleed and black and blue since then.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So,
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  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, been to lots of games.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: I was a season ticket holder for years and actually I got my daughter started early.
• 7:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: She's seven and she's been to more NFL games than most human beings.
• 7:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: That's awesome, man, as I tell you this is I've got to the point where I don't like to go to games anymore.
• 7:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm like, dude, I'm like, it's just such an expense and time track from where I live at.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: And it's just so enjoyable to watch it on the television.
• 7:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I feel guilty about saying that as we do the longest run in Panthers podcast.
• 7:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: And then we do the post game show after.
• 7:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: And that just makes it more complicated when you go to games or you saw, and I feel like I don't watch the game as well.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, I mean, I'm there.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: It's the experience that hits you.
• 7:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I don't like remember the details of the game so much because I miss plays.
• 7:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: I miss yardage.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: I miss this because I'm like, high five in people, yellow, whatever drop in my beer or something like that.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: So, well, it's glad I'm glad to have you on the show.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: So, let's go ahead and get started here with tonight's show.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Tonight is this the greatest off season ever for the Carolina Panthers and we got to start with the news.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: that sparked this off.
• 8:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: I guess CK you mentioned last week what we were talking about and how it was just on my heart so much about what the the offensive line situation was and to kind of recap that for listeners and for for DK is that
• 8:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, Carolina invested so much when Dan Morgan first came in he's been a fixer right he's identified these things he's he saw aggressively to fix them and the off season through free agency and the draft and he came in and the offensive line was atrocious he went out got Damian Lewis Robert Hunt.
• 8:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I don't know if this is after this free agency season.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: The most money on our offensive line out of any team and it led to the development of the continued development of Bryce Young, the continued improvement of the team and wins.
• 9:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: While the offense didn't explode, the team is incrementally and significantly gotten better since those improvements.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Ikki, Kim Aquano, was an important part, a first round pick, and a guy that got a lot of flack in his second year, but has continued to develop at that left tackle in its expensive position and free agency to identify or to address.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: The injury when he suffered that rupture of Patella tendon in the last game of the season, threatened to kind of backtrack so much of the gains that had led to the momentum of the Carolina Panthers.
• 9:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: And what I ultimately was, you know, kind of struggling, not struggling with, or just we know is that look is like we had signed stone for Sythu was the worst tackle in the
• 10:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: Carolina really felt like they were getting pigeonholed into trying to either suffer through with some sort of mediocre swing tackle.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: or aggressively now have to pivot to the offensive line and the draft, potentially in the first round.
• 10:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: But Dan Morgan pulled off the heist of the century.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know how the NFL allowed him to get away with this.
• 10:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: He assigned offensive tackle Rashid Walker to a $1 year $10 million deal.
• 10:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now,
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Nobody is going to go or you go around the league and or whatever.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: I made this short that said like his like his a top tier tackle.
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: Not necessarily the best he's not the best tackle actually is stats are almost equivalent when you look at his PFF grades to Iki right but the idea he was the top rated offensive tackle.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: in free agency.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: He did not get signed in those opening days largely probably because he's looking for big time money.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: We want, we will be interested to see what those details were.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: But Dan Morgan addresses this left tackle position and C. K. I didn't know if they wouldn't have the ability to pull it off.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: when we are looking at the contract numbers of J1 Phillips last week, how did they do this?
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Damn, Morgan.
• 11:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: But he said, I'm not going to let this to rail our season right away.
• 11:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I'm very pumped about this move.
• 11:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a big move.
• 11:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: And it's not just a big move because it was a position of need.
• 11:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: Here's, here's the, the, the reason this was such a smart decision in the fact that we pulled it off was still valuable.
• 11:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: If we went into this draft without having had left tackle, we would be forced to use probably a left tackle early on in the draft and the problem then becomes how do you handle that when a key's healthy?
• 12:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: Are we planning on just having to, you know, first round, you know, left tackles that we're going to have on the roster?
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_08]: So you risk the long term, you know,
• 12:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: of the organization because ideally what you're looking at is you're going to hope that you can sign a key to a longer term deal if you can come back and show himself to be a value to the team but this signing allows that to actually be a potential outcome and we don't have to think so we don't have to be so
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: single-minded about how the draft is going to go, because we know this is at least a bandaid, a bridge to the eventual outcome of what will be of Ike's return, and you're not worried.
• 12:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like now you can start to draft another position of need right now.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: Some might argue our biggest position of need might be our safety position at this stage now.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: So, I mean, there's, it really does open up the board a bit or maybe even a center position.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: So, I mean, I think this gives us a little bit more along the lines of a security blanket going into the draft without feeling so forced to try to reach for a guy that maybe you don't value in the first round.
• 13:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, man.
• 13:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do want to point something out there, CK because you talk about Iki, right?
• 13:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Talk about the injury.
• 13:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: What I like about this Rashid Walker signing is this man has played 48 out of the 52 games.
• 13:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he's dependable.
• 13:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we got somebody injured.
• 13:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: We need somebody who's going to be able to come in there and actually play games.
• 13:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be a body on the field.
• 13:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, and I'm in a good one too, right?
• 13:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, let me ask you this, DK.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: What do you think about, and just that I was gonna follow up with CK's point is that Dave Gentlemen always famously said, is you use free agency to set up the draft.
• 14:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: So you're not pigeonholed in.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: And we were feeling like that last week now, CK, the draft board is wide open, but DK, what do you think about the one-year deal, right?
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Because some of the comments or at least the people
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  [SPEAKER_09]: What kind of top tier tackle is going to take a one-year deal?
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  [SPEAKER_09]: And to me, this is somehow a masterclass.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: I think there's some insight into like the Iki timeline.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: What do you think the one-year deal?
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you guys have any thoughts on what that can signify?
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  [SPEAKER_09]: And how maybe Dan Morgan sold that to Rashid Walker?
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think, honestly, if you want to be real, it gives Walker an opportunity to increase his value, while being
• 14:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I don't mean it to sound that way, but a fill in a really good one as a gap.
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, in a sense.
• 14:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But one that again, he's going to really put in the effort because he knows that one year deal, he's back out for agency.
• 15:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's, I mean, he's essentially putting himself in the position to make more money.
• 15:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think this does a couple of things for us in addition to just giving us a band aid.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: And
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  [SPEAKER_08]: At the end of this year, we have to make a choice on what we're doing with Iki.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: Well now if Walker outplays his contractor plays even up to what he's signed for and he's a serviceable left tackle, well now we have leverage in a negotiation, right?
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: We have Walker, we have now Ikki, we can choose between who we want.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: We don't need to overpay some money for the position.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: If both of them are sufficient to, you know, sufficient to resources to be able
• 15:48
  [SPEAKER_08]: We don't want to go backwards on our offensive line.
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  [SPEAKER_08]: Obviously, that's number one, but I also think this allows us to go into next year with a little bit more confidence as well.
• 16:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: And, you know, white chocolate, you know, has a pretty good point because we've been saying, Aki might be better off on the interior as well.
• 16:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I believe this is the last year of
• 16:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so if for whatever reason we can't bring him back, you could slide it key to the interior and see how that that goes, but I don't know, it's I think this just opens up not only does it help us, you know, ensure that this season we have the left tackle spot short up, but it also ensures that we're not going into next season just with no no idea of what we're doing because
• 16:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't know about you guys, but I don't think we're going to be comfortable signing a key to a long-term contract if you don't have to snap this year.
• 16:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: No, not at all.
• 16:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I think you, you kind of said, lever, use the term leverage.
• 16:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: I kind of makes it like business cutthroat.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I think there might be something to this that has like good intentions for all players involved here.
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: Sure.
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  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that somehow you had to tell this guy where she walkers ranked the number one tackle who's 26 years old, by the way, to take a deal.
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: that is a one year you're going to get paid.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: But to me there has to be some sort of handshake promises about the potential future as with the team as their continual trust and work through the cap.
• 17:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I think that
• 17:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think we're she Walker would take this deal here with Carolina, if you didn't see a potential to not only like grow his stock, like DK said, grow his value, but to maybe capitalize that and when Carolina, when they have more opportunity to spend that position.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that
• 17:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: There can't, I won't say in a show it's that we're going to bring you back, but I also think that this is a good nod to a Kim Aquana was well, because a Aquana's injury is so unfortunate timing in that fifth year option like you said CK you can't sign him.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: to a long-term deal based on his performance from pre-endry, where there still was some kind of questions about not questions, but it was a better than average, right?
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I think what you're going to be able to do is bring Ikki back in a friendly or way and not have to just say, sorry,
• 18:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I almost wonder, is that, well, Kev said, is that we can finally slide him inside, which that could be a possibility.
• 18:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: I wonder if Ikke could ever, and I know he hasn't played right tackle in his history, but you have to at some point be thinking about life after Taylor Moton too.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: And if you could have Rashid Walker and Ikke,
• 18:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: somehow fitting that line together.
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think this works out tremendously for the Carolina Panthers.
• 18:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: I just, to me, this is such as this is when I thought that this, when I put the Carolina Panthers free agency over the moon this year, because the other guys were targeted like, and we'll talk about the, actually, it's a good time to talk about those other moves.
• 19:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: But like you, like, had this one glaring now problem with all the excitement.
• 19:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: How he pulled this off without having to do it in the draft when we looked when we walked into free agency guys the Panthers had at $1.12 million Then they projected it to be $35 million and then Somehow they spent a hundred and seventy million dollars on the first day of free agency that comes with a couple of moves.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: I believe Asia and Robinson being released
• 19:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, Derek Brown restructure was a big deal, and I don't know if anybody else restructure I have to look that up.
• 19:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: But here's an overall look at the Carolina Panthers.
• 19:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, here's some numbers for Jalen Phillips four years, $120 million.
• 20:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, three years, 45 million, Devon Lloyd.
• 20:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: This has been the most celebrated pick.
• 20:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: among the league that the Carolina Panthers got the number one linebacker prospect.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: So if you think about this, is that Devon Lloyd, number one linebacker prospect, Rashid Walker, number one offensive tackle free agent, you know, rank ranking.
• 20:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: Jaylin Phillips, top five.
• 20:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: But they got them in the wood for about $5 million less than people thought they were going to get.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: Rashid Walker, this is like we just talked about that signing.
• 20:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: He did what he said by making the quarterback room younger and cheaper with Kenny Pickett.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: Luke Fortner, what a deal here is a veteran who has played very well as of late too.
• 20:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, a body, but you're going to need a guy, you're going to need a guy like that, right DK at some point in the season somebody's going to miss some snaps and I don't care if he's stuck or not he's played before.
• 21:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yep.
• 21:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he can come in the, I mean, it's football.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: People are going to go down and having, I mean, let's be honest, he's not bad.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not horrible.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: He was as a starter, but you know, I was talking to my buddy who's a Raiders fan and he said,
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: that that offensive line just completely stunk and it was a loop carol i think Pete Carroll son was the coach and he said he was just terrible i don't know he wasn't great but look he's got a connection the Dave canalist and damn organ stone force i drafted by the Seattle c-hawks alright we're going to be talking about john metchy a lot of people were were throwing this name out the bama connection there we brought back david more
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: Isaiah Simmons.
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: I know CK is going to want to talk about that, uh, Rochelle Gibson.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: These guys, I don't know their names.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: Evans.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: I've heard of a no-clawed in Charlottes.
• 22:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: He played with Panthers last year and had some good things.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: And one other that was not on that list, the Carolina Panthers bring back Sam Martin.
• 22:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: So you guys, uh, pick, uh, one thing you want to talk
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: Mechie because we have a segue of that CK you can open up with I asked if you want.
• 22:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, so you know, I have to be the resident residential Clemson fan for a moment.
• 22:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: We have, you know, last year the Isaiah Simmons signing in the moment, I think it was just kind of,
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: things like that.
• 22:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: But the upside is certainly worth getting at least a little excited about.
• 22:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: But man, I tell you what, watching him, even in that Rams game, he made such an incredible impact on that special teams.
• 23:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think the dude still has something to prove.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: And this could be our
• 23:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: Um, the reason Reddit came to us was because they Cardinals drafted Isaiah Simmons and so we got, uh, we, we put Reddit on the team and he was, uh, he was able to actually have a fantastic season that set him up for an incredible payday with the Eagles.
• 23:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: Um, and, uh, and.
• 23:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: But the thing is, he didn't do well until he came to Carolina or until we were he was able to start playing the position that was valued that was able to be he wasn't being utilized the right way.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: And then at the middle line back right there.
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: And so now we have another opportunity with Isaiah Simmons to allow him to come in here and develop and potentially be a guy who's able to contribute at a high level.
• 24:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think this is an underrated signing.
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: I know a lot of people are going to overlook it because he's been largely considered a bust from where he was drafted so highly in the NFL.
• 24:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: But I think this guy coming in here on a very reasonable deal.
• 24:13
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think having, you know, the, the, the, the, the athleticism this dude has, he could really have an impact on this team if we allow him to.
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_08]: But I, I, I just, I think this is, I was saying this to the boys before we started the show.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: halfway through the year, I think that we're going to look back on this signing and Isaiah Simmons is going to be a shining light, um, a bright spot on the offseason.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: In addition to many of these other players, but Isaiah Simmons coming back, I think is going to be big for us in the long term.
• 24:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: DK, your thoughts on this just some of these, these names that we mentioned that we haven't talked about yet.
• 24:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Did I'm going to talk about Kenny Pickett?
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay, let's talk about the glove quarterback and the history of glove quarterbacks.
• 24:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we have hands tiny hands at all.
• 25:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: We glove quarterbacks in our team history.
• 25:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: Dude, but he, look.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we, we, let's be honest, we needed a good backup.
• 25:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, Dalton has come in with some veteran presence and he's, you know, he's been there to teach Bryson stuff, but at some point, you've got to remember Andy Dalton's 38 years old, he's not going to have the athletic profile that some of these guys do when I think Kenny Pickett
• 25:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: brings a similar athletic profile to what Bryce Young has.
• 25:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that meshes well with what we're trying to do.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, his ability to escape pressure with his legs, again, very similar to Bryce Young.
• 25:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: So if, I mean, God forbid, I say it, something does happen to Bryce.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: we don't have to change the system.
• 25:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the system can still work with both these guys.
• 25:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I like this because it's also a really low cost guy to bring in that, I mean, what would they pay him?
• 25:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think like 7.5 million.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 26:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: He heard me and guaranteed something like that.
• 26:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not like it's a it's a it's a high risk low or a high low high risk.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, low risk high value move and I love it.
• 26:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think again, I think he actually played and won his ACC championship in Bank of America Stadium.
• 26:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's kind of like a little familiarity homecoming form.
• 26:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm all about this Kenny Pickett.
• 26:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I know he hadn't done.
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: the best in his career.
• 26:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: But as a backup, I'm stoked.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love that.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: I love this take.
• 26:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: I love this take decay because I think it's just so easy for the internet and fans to shit on, you know, players that just haven't excelled or ultimately succeeded in the lead.
• 26:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think this is like, this is what Dan Morgan first when he said what he was going to do in and free agency.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: He said, there was no looking back at it, CK, there was no coach speak, you know, we're like trying to read in all these words.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: He said exactly what he's going to do.
• 27:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's like, we got to get better.
• 27:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: We got to get better at the past rush.
• 27:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: We want to get better at the middle linebacker and you know, we're stable there and like kind of have a field general high IQ guy big,
• 27:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: And then, uh, he said, we want to get younger and cheaper at the, the quarter at the back up quarter, but any went and did it.
• 27:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, look, is nobody's got to love Kenny Pickett as a player, right?
• 27:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is there nobody's asking that Kenny Pickett to start?
• 27:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right, but I do like what you're talking about DK that this is what a backup quarterback supposed to be in a way is like he's any daughter is too cooked.
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's like his shoulder was cooked last year.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: He was not that guy that was just two years ago that through 50 passes and Seattle or whatever he did.
• 27:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: It was a real drop off visually in those moments that he played last year.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's got it.
• 27:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: You got to make it worth it for that guy to be around right in a sense and I think like pick it look it's just a fetus this is that he's had he's had start enough playing time oh yeah in his past to come in and navigate yep you had two options here you get a guy you get more three options you keep an old hat like
• 28:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: That we've always that we're always cycling in that third quarterback position like or you go draft you waste a draft pick I always think a third round draft pick or fourth round draft pick on a Q B that you really don't ever think has a fit, but you're like we're drafting a backup.
• 28:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I think that's stupid.
• 28:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't like that way to the pick.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I agree because you can get a contributor at other positions at at that spot.
• 28:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: But then you get a guy like pick it who was like, you know, overdrafted.
• 28:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: not a starter, not a star or a starter.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: In some ways, I mean, we're going to be talking about important free agents in the history of football or at the Panthers football, but you know, Jake Deloam wasn't a, you know, Jake Deloam had a long road.
• 29:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm not saying that, but I don't want, we don't know him once, Kenny Pickett playing.
• 29:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I think this is way better than draft in a rookie in the fourth or something.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I like this.
• 29:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: I like that take, let's see, anybody else that I want to talk about before we move on.
• 29:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I probably just move on, well, the Sam Martin deal, you know, see, we've always this cycling and cycling of hunters in our team history, but it's nice to see one brought back.
• 29:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it's been, I think it's been a while since we've, uh, you know, actually brought back a punter, um, at a free agency.
• 29:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, we've gone through Andy Lee, Johnny Hecker, uh, Brad Northman back in the day.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: Um, there's been a couple more that we're not even.
• 30:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: They thought I do.
• 30:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's, well, there was a good stretch where we felt like we had a really good hunter.
• 30:08
  [SPEAKER_08]: We
• 30:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: the next year he was not on anybody's team.
• 30:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: It was like we were not going to spend the money there.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I mean, they're like, no, I was just finding another.
• 30:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I mean, in this is reasonable.
• 30:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: Right, you know, two years, uh, $5 million that does feel a little odd that the punters getting paid more than uh, you, you're paying like a, uh, you know, uh, you know, uh, and I think they're, I mean, I don't know if that's true.
• 30:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if that's true.
• 30:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, I think I'm like a little bit more.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, it is, it to me, it feels a little odd to have it be $5 million, but at the same time, you know, in the grand scheme of all the punters in the NFL, it's a pretty reasonable plan, a pretty reasonable contract.
• 30:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm fine with it.
• 30:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm glad to have the consistency.
• 30:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think our special teams had some some positives last year.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: And Sam Martin has, he's been a consistent
• 31:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm happy these back just so we can keep that consistency on that side of things.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: I hope we don't see them very much, but I'm glad he's back.
• 31:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you.
• 31:14
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• 31:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: It says don't mind the Isaiah Simmons signing, but basically Sam Franklin, impact on special teams.
• 31:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, can he pick it sucks?
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'd rather have a promising rookie.
• 31:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think that, okay, I can understand again, like I said, is that if you're not impressed with Kenny Pickett, you know, nobody, I'm not trying to convince you of that.
• 31:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: I will point out that he's the third glove quarterback from David Carr to Teddy Bridgewater to now.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: Kenny Pickett all gloved wearing quarterbacks, right?
• 31:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: And that always goes to the tiny hands or this and that from one issues.
• 31:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think though if you look at if we if we tried to just look at a couple of things here when it comes to the Rashid wall signing and Can he pick it?
• 32:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is like can you find some sort of parallel between the two players I think is this is that But the Panthers will be asked like I mean in one way will will ask this a little later in the show, but it's like They don't want to ruin like one injury to ruin this season.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that if you drafted a promising rookie and then you, so you use a draft pick there, right?
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: So you risk a, maybe a contributor in some other aspect or something that could have learned more long-term value.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: But if something does go wrong, right, is like his look is that if all of these moves and all of this and we're in Bryce Young's fifth year option and offensive line sucks, we're just going to have no we're not going to know what to do.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's like what the the same question over and over and get with Bryce is he the future is he not and we're just be exhausted, but and then on the other hand is you have what you you're really vying in this division you're competitively getting better and you don't want to I mean I would hate to see a three or four game injury for maybe a Bryce young or even
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: and the entire season just be like, well, we're back to draft number one.
• 33:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I really think there was, like, I get, I think they're probably thinking about those things too.
• 33:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: And it might not be off the table to draft a guy in the six or seventh round.
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: That is that rookie quarterback that could be the third and maybe Kenny Pickett doesn't make the team.
• 33:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think that are like this though.
• 33:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what are the chances of somebody finding a Brock party?
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 33:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: What are the chances of that?
• 33:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, maybe we drive someone like that and have a competition with picking it.
• 33:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: But.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, you can't bed at all on finding a Brock party, come in on injury, take you to the championship games.
• 34:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, you can't, you can't bed on that.
• 34:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: At least you got somebody with starting experience.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: At least you got somebody who's done it, so that, again, if you got a rookie, you'd get him the last round who cares again.
• 34:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: They can, they can build, they can grow, and you're not relying on them if something like you said happens to Bryce.
• 34:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: Cav said the rather use a six round room for fields.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, gosh.
• 34:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: We got to stay away from fields.
• 34:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: I was I wanted us to draft fields that year.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: He was traded.
• 34:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: Just yesterday.
• 34:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think to the chief to the chief.
• 34:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, going back to another, though, is when we said that, Dan Morgan said what he meant and did what he said in this is one of the things that, uh, look, it's the Panthers of Invested top draft pick in wide receiver two years in a row.
• 34:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, there's only so much money to go around.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: They, I don't think they want to give up on XL, they feel comfortable with, I mean, they're excited about the rookie of the year in Tettman, Millen.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: And Jalen Coker, they got it as a steel right now.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: And because he's on that tender, right?
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: So he's playing from sheep and we'll see what there.
• 35:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I don't think they had the ammunition to go and do something big here.
• 35:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, one of the things that Dan Morgan said was he said, we want to get more run after catchability.
• 35:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: And for you guys know, is that John Mechie the third has been signed to the Carolina Panthers signed him.
• 35:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: He is bounced around.
• 35:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: Look is Mechie is really it's about the the Bama connection here is being reunited with Bryce Young.
• 35:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: He had a star season with Bryce where he had, let me see his stats were in Alabama in 2021.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: He had 96 catches 1100 yards and eight touchdowns.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: John Metchee's had a remarkable story in his football journey, one of resilience and where he transitioned from a devastating medical diagnosis to potentially becoming an asset for the Carolina Panthers that could find some time and some work if him and maybe it's just like let's not forget about Jimmy Horn Jr. just yet here, but these are the kind
• 36:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe, I think Jimmy Horn Jr. might have more downfield explosiveness, but actually though does bring a interesting run after the catchability and very consistent hands, but one of the reasons that he's kind of bounced around to this point is he was drafted in 2022 in the second round by the Houston Texas, but he was subsequently diagnosed with a
• 36:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: He announced in 2022 with Miss is rookie campaign and focus on his recovery, but fortunately this is a highly curable form of leukemia, which he clearly has beaten or is in revision or whatever the right terminology health wise is.
• 37:09
  [SPEAKER_09]: He spent the entirety of 2022 on the football non football illness list, completing his treatment
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: This first game was against the Indianapolis Colts.
• 37:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: He finished his season with 16 catches 150 eight yards and 2024 his role expanded a little bit caught his first touch down against the Detroit Lions.
• 37:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: But let's see who is honored with the Ed Blot Courage Award in George House Award for overcoming extreme adversity like that.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: 225 year was his trade year where he spent time with the Philadelphia Eagles and the New York Jets, but in 225 he was able to record 29 restrictions for 256 yards and two touchdowns.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: He showed some promise.
• 37:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: He did, and that is when I looked at the highlights, it was all Jets.
• 38:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right, and all I saw was this is he would catch and he did something different than a lot of players do as soon as he caught the ball he was immediately turning up field there's like no dish dash this is like it you could see that every catch led to additional yards.
• 38:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: So really, this is Metchi Sunday.
• 38:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, here's the details.
• 38:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: He signed a one year $1.9 million contract with the Carolina Panthers and it's seen as a strategic reunion between him and Bryce.
• 38:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: Guys, what do you think about the wide receiver room?
• 38:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's just talk about that in general, not so much as we have no idea how this will shake out for guys like Jimmy Horn.
• 38:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: uh... who is the veteran of the group you have xl who has to try to rebound from a sophomore slump jalen coker who showed promise what he has to think about carolina and how they had to handle free agency with the wide receiver group
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'll start with, uh, I think this is a great decision.
• 39:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think you are doing what you can to, uh, give Bryce receivers that he already understands their timing, uh, who had he already has that, uh, that connection with.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's important when, uh, last year it felt like there were a few times when that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, that, uh, connection wasn't there with anybody not named T-Mac.
• 39:29
  [SPEAKER_08]: or at the Jalen Coker in the playoffs, I think it's an interesting signing because it does make us go into the, it never fails during training camp that we get an injury to a wide receiver of some capacity.
• 39:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I think having a few names on the bench that,
• 39:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: would not normally be considered starters in the league right now and that she being probably on the on that list of wider seabers.
• 40:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think it allows the Panthers to go into this this season with options.
• 40:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're not going to be handcuffed to the idea of holding on to Xavier Leggett if he's not able to come in and perform at a high level in the training camp.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: Um, I know that's not what White chocolate wants to see.
• 40:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: Um, but are here.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't think they're going to be ready to let a horn go from the wings.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think they're they see some promise at a him.
• 40:25
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I think you're more likely to let let let some of these other veteran presence to go such as a Xavier Lee get or a David more if matching can come in and out perform in any of these guys.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: But it doesn't it doesn't handcuff us.
• 40:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I do like our wide receiver room.
• 40:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think we always say this.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: We have for like the past six years like we have one of the best wide receiver rooms that we've ever had in Panthers and then it always ends up being like somehow the worst
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: Much of anything.
• 41:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: Last year makes it makes me a little a little uncertain about how to fill about this wide receiver room because I don't want to get too hyped, but I'm just I'm very happy to see that we have a depth piece there and met she is a is a solid signing with there being a potential that he doesn't make the team.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be honest with you.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm I'm going to be
• 41:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I had a lot of expectations for this man, but it's not, I don't think his raw talent.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, he gets out there and the pressure, he cannot perform under pressure.
• 41:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we've seen this time and time again, drops that literally cost games.
• 41:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, it's just, I don't see him.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, to me, he's he's out on my top five of all what receivers at this point.
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd put, you know, Coker, a tent, of course.
• 42:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd even put Metchi, I'd put horn.
• 42:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'm putting these guys ahead of him in my book again, just because he is never shown the potential that he came into this league with.
• 42:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And at this point will he like that that's that's kind of where I'm at.
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm out.
• 42:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm out on a man.
• 42:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this right here shows that maybe the coaching staff might feel the same way in a sense.
• 42:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, they're trying to get some people in there.
• 42:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: In case it does go exactly the way I'm telling you I'm predicting that it's going to go.
• 42:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I think, you know, and to go back, I mean, I
• 42:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: I am absolutely hoping that he can turn it around and he can have a comeback season because I have liked Excel since we drafted him on that first round two years ago.
• 42:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: I thought that the pure athleticism that I felt like he could have.
• 43:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: could overcome any, you know, maybe football things that he's gonna learn as he plays, right?
• 43:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: It just doesn't feel like things have connected.
• 43:13
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I think to people's point, it doesn't, I don't know that it's all Excel.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think it, I think there could be a part of it that it's just something not connecting with him and Bryce.
• 43:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: but but I do hope that he's able to come into this into this situation and actually do do something that we don't expect him to do in that show that he belongs in this league.
• 43:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: I really hope that.
• 43:40
  [SPEAKER_08]: I certainly, I think he's a good thing for the brand of the Carolina Panthers, especially coming from from South Carolina.
• 43:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think that's going to be huge when you're talking about letting these guys be fans of the Panthers while playing for these local colleges with the potential hope that they're going to be drafted by the Panthers.
• 44:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: I wanted to
• 44:08
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not holding my breath on right now.
• 44:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll take you to with you.
• 44:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm hopeful with you.
• 44:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: I will see some more to remember, too, is that the way that the NFL, or at least the fan version, the NFL, and even just the reality, they're not for long lead, the immediacy of production is,
• 44:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: is a big deal, and especially when you're first round pick, but I think it's also important to note, is that like he was viewed as a project player, a guy in South Carolina who had one year where he was, you know, like he was, he didn't have a lot of tape where he was good, like he had a one year that showed that he could play, right?
• 44:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: Then the Carolina Panthers moved
• 44:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: And maybe in some ways you can look at that I think it was an over draft in a sense as you could have gotten him later, but some people or the argument is is that for project player and the development timeline potentially that fifth year option could be a good thing right and I think that the Carolina Panthers or at least what we probably when they I try to look at with XO is that.
• 45:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, you know, he played kind of well his first year and I thought he, you know, he didn't step forward in his second year.
• 45:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
• 45:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: There's a lot of software slump stories out there.
• 45:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I'm trying to remind myself that the expectations and that immediacy that we want might not always be the development of a player and their trajectory now.
• 45:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: What happens sometimes, though, is you accelerate those timelines by pushing more pressure and more need and more dependency on a player.
• 45:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: So, you know, the Carolina Panthers kind of needed Excel and so much co-cur, particularly with co-cur's injury, they needed him to progress faster than maybe they wanted his timeline to be.
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think this is that if we just look at some clues when it comes to Excel, is that Carolina didn't go out and do something aggressive in free agency to where they thought, man, we can manage this room with the growing talent of Ted Roe, my melon.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: uh, what we think could be a solid player in jail and coker right on a cheap deal.
• 46:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: And maybe and and look, and to somebody mentioned, uh, uh, these knees mentioned Bryson Tremaine, who's been in the league for three years now.
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: And obviously, I mean, you know what?
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's made some big damn plays and probably some more polished player.
• 46:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: God, then Excel at the moment.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: What I think is maybe, and hopefully what we're trying to do is allow Excel to find and thrive into a role rather than just banging it in like you have to be this guy.
• 46:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: You got to be the number two.
• 46:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: You got to start.
• 47:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, that could all change when we get to the draft, and we say, oh, man, where there's went out and picked a wide receiver at my change or narrative on that.
• 47:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I'm trying to think of this as just like, well, this is year three.
• 47:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: By the end of this season, we'll have, you know, the Panthers will have a better trajectory.
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: They even have another year before they have to make any big decision.
• 47:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: And we'll see if his role grows or if it, you know, diminishes in somebody else can be.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I think a good sign of this is that the Panthers didn't feel like that wide receiver room needed to be addressed significantly.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, you added, you brought back David Moore and Metchi.
• 47:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: And you're like, well, like, we like Bryce and Tremaine.
• 47:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: And we like Jalen Coker and we'll rock.
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• 50:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, I want to do this before we move on from just the Carolina Panthers free agency.
• 50:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: I got one question for you guys.
• 50:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is after we look at this free agency right here, is this a win now off season or build it right off season for the Carolina Panthers.
• 50:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'd if from you know, if I don't like the question, I think it's both.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think this is a matter of if it was the only a a build it.
• 51:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: What's the best way to describe it?
• 51:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think if it was a win now situation, I think we would be we wouldn't be signing guys to three-year deals, right?
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think it would be we'd be trading people for big players.
• 51:25
  [SPEAKER_08]: We'd be in those conversations of of getting guys that that are on the on the market, like we'd actually be in the in the Max Crosby conversations and stuff like that, right?
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_08]: But I think they're trying to
• 51:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: you know, when you think about where we were last year, right?
• 51:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: We still have some work to don't get me wrong.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not not even believing that we were on the verge of being a playoff contender like perennially, but yeah, I think that I think these moves were ultimately showing me that they intend on this year being a winning year, but they're not selling the farm to make
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: TK win now, build it right, or both, as CK said.
• 52:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I can see where he's coming from.
• 52:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, a lot of these moves show that we do believe, not just in right now, but the future.
• 52:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we saw him in like the four year, Jayland Deal.
• 52:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's setting him up for the foreseeable future.
• 52:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it is a little bit,
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: There is some win now in it though.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we're bringing people in and we're not expecting to do worse than what we did.
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's not like it's a fool.
• 52:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's set it up for the future.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we're setting ourselves up to win and the goal is going to be to win.
• 52:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not bringing these guys in.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're not bringing some of the top free agents at certain positions in here to only build for the future.
• 53:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, oh, yeah, not only bill for the future or only billed for one year, too, right, as there is balance there.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think you're right.
• 53:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, and that's why I see where he's coming from.
• 53:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think there's maybe maybe I'm going to lean more towards when in the near future.
• 53:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Maybe not right now, but when in the near future, I think that's the expectation that that's that's my opinion.
• 53:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: and additionally keep in mind, like we built this and we still have all of our draft picks through.
• 53:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: And why that's valuable is if you guys look at what our draft picks did last year like every one of them started in like 10 games or more if I'm not mistaken.
• 53:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like I don't
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: as as Panthers fans, where we can say that all of our draft picks impacted our team and some capacity.
• 54:00
  [SPEAKER_08]: And sometimes they were negative, right?
• 54:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, you think about the ransom hit on the chug that, you know, cost the 15 yards and put them well within the fuel goal range to win that game when we could have assured up the NFC South.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: But then the very next game, he comes in and wins that Rams game with the Rams game, with that interception of, no, no, it wasn't that when it was the Baker Mayfield interception.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: And now granted, it wasn't like a crazy good play that he had.
• 54:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: He got Baker just threw the ball up into no man's land.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: But you know, the every one of these guys had to get, you know, contributed.
• 54:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: We finished this free agency period, even though we're still technically in it.
• 54:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: We finished this free agency period without giving up any of our draft picks, and we have that knowing how well Dave has been drafting, even if you don't think that he's gotten super stars yet outside of T-Mac, he's drafted really well, and he's gotten contributors on this team with both of his draft classes.
• 55:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: And tell me honestly this, something right there, right there Sean saying, definitely to win our division, that's going to bring up a solid point because our division isn't sitting still.
• 55:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the last year,
• 55:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: the falcons, the saints, actually look like the best teams in the division and we're going to have to think about that.
• 55:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's going to be the people that we're going to, I mean, I'll be honest, I look, the books probably on a downward slope, Mike Evans gone, they may not be the top contenders that they have been.
• 55:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, it I think now the Saints and the Falcons are going to be something that we need to think about.
• 55:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: So we kind of have to their young teams with lots of talent and shug is not he doesn't look what he I mean for a rookie he did not look like a rookie.
• 56:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was beautiful.
• 56:02
  [SPEAKER_08]: Oh, yeah.
• 56:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: I we we said it last year and and you hit the nail on the head with with that assessment DK we said it last year towards the end we couldn't put it together none of neither the bucks nor the Panthers look like they deserve to win the division quite honestly add to a to your point it looked like the the Falcons and the Saints were the best teams in the NFC
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: It was wild and here's here's the we got to go into this we had to have done what we did this off season because if we stood still you're absolutely right they would have the moves that they were going to make we're going to put them ahead of us.
• 56:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, I think there's still a lot of question marks on what's going on with James Pierce Jr and all that stuff with his situation or what have you, but if they let's define Biggs continue to play through his legal troubles last year, I'm anticipating the league will let James Pierce Jr do that again this year.
• 57:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I think the Falcons have geared up and I don't think that they've lost enough.
• 57:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: uh to to be worried to to believe that they're not going to be able to come in and be a contender next year.
• 57:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: We've got to keep that in mind and so that's what this off season has done for us in my opinion.
• 57:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think that like you said is like you don't like the question as maybe we don't like the the I guess the historic answers to that question or when now at all
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: or a punt for the future, right?
• 57:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, that's kind of been the historic look at that type of debate question.
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, what I think is that middle of the road, I do think it is a win now.
• 57:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't think it's win the Super Bowl at all costs now, but I think this is like, why not now?
• 57:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: why not kind of like is at what point are we no longer rebuilding and what point are we really trying to as they did what make our mark leave our mark that they did maybe prematurely last year with that that saying is that I mean at some point is you got to take what you have in that moment and try to capitalize on it and I think that the Panthers found themselves in a place where look is that it's kind of put up or shut up with Bryce Yong and Dave Canalis in
• 58:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: like if they stop this debate of we don't have the tools we don't have this we don't have that at what point do the Carolina Panthers you know start to say this our time could be now now what does that mean does that mean it's super bold or bust I don't think anybody believes that I think Dan Morgan said in the past is like we're trying to make the playoffs every year and what we saw is that we we packed into the playoffs last year
• 58:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: we had some pieces and some and some things that show some promise, but like why wait and try and strike at this, and that's time to strike.
• 59:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I think it is, it's like, hey, we're trying to win the division.
• 59:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: We're trying to make a playoff push.
• 59:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: It might, you might not win the Super Bowl, but like we're sure it's how we're going to try.
• 59:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I think that I think what's felt different about this free agency, though, or this moment
• 59:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: about that is ultimately, is that in the past?
• 59:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: The Carolina Panthers haven't operated like this in free agency, right?
• 59:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: As you haven't seen them chase the blue chip player.
• 59:34
  [SPEAKER_09]: You haven't really seen them spend big premium dollars.
• 59:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: They've been conservative.
• 59:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: They've tried to guess be draft reliant.
• 59:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: They're hesitant.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: They've been hesitant to pay top market deals.
• 59:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: and most of their, their, their big moves have been on like value plays in the past or resigning somebody.
• 59:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: And this offseason feels a little different because it kind of starts to align with that timeline of like what we got that Ricky quarterback where on that Ricky deal,
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: the other people in the division is like the division is you know you're not fighting a juggernaut necessarily and Bryce it like this isn't patchwork it's not panic it's not panic and like you said CK is like all or nothing and I think to go to kind of show that they're trying to win now and build for the future
• 1:00:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: is they paid, and we'll talk about this, we'll move on to this Jalen Phillips, the big deal.
• 1:00:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's 26 years old.
• 1:00:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, you like, Devin Lloyd, 27, or she'd walk her.
• 1:00:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, I know it's a one-year deal.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: 26, they're not just getting
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: these one-year warriors on a big deal, super star squad in it up.
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: And a lot of people believe that and I think the Panther fans have been a static about this offseason, but look, I mean, as people around the league are talking about the Carolina Panthers being one of the most improved teams in free agents.
• 1:01:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: And you never win the Super Bowl in March, but you certainly can make
• 1:01:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: How about this is let's do this is before we we're going to talk Jalen Phillips contract real quick, but before we do that let's go ahead and take Think we got a couple of calls to get to so let's take some of those listener calls
• 1:01:27
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• 1:01:30
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• 1:01:32
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• 1:01:45
  [SPEAKER_09]: And as Dan Morgan,
• 1:01:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: the GM of the like the best GM the Panthers have had.
• 1:01:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: And is he really just doing a master class when it comes to this offseason.
• 1:02:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's take your calls now.
• 1:02:01
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• 1:02:27
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• 1:02:38
  [SPEAKER_06]: So check this out.
• 1:02:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: So of course we've been talking about Jailum Jailum Phillips, right?
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_06]: 26.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: 26 years old, coming from Vick Gangeo system.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_06]: So think about this
• 1:02:57
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's the player that's going to run you into Nick Scorton.
• 1:03:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's going to run you into Prince William on the island.
• 1:03:03
  [SPEAKER_06]: What do I mean by this?
• 1:03:06
  [SPEAKER_06]: He's a complete defensive disrupter.
• 1:03:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: And the reason that I'm so excited, y'all, I'm still hearing people say in that it's an overpaid, it's an overpaid.
• 1:03:18
  [SPEAKER_06]: But I want to, I just want to mention this to y'all.
• 1:03:22
  [SPEAKER_06]: It may have caused us a 120 male
• 1:03:27
  [SPEAKER_06]: But you know what it didn't cost, our ability to build our team and the draft.
• 1:03:35
  [SPEAKER_06]: So you think about it.
• 1:03:36
  [SPEAKER_06]: We didn't have to give up any draft capital for a premium past Russia in Jalen Phillips.
• 1:03:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's significant y'all.
• 1:03:45
  [SPEAKER_06]: When we think about the trade hindricks wins,
• 1:03:48
  [SPEAKER_06]: The max crawls me, and I know that whole wonky situation when max crawls me, but even like last year, the Michael Parsons, right?
• 1:03:55
  [SPEAKER_06]: We talking about players that typically, you got to give up one, two, sometimes three first round draft takes to get because there's a premium position, and we didn't have to give up any draft takes.
• 1:04:08
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• 1:04:10
  [SPEAKER_06]: I got a second call.
• 1:04:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: If I got a second call.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, let's go ahead and just get to that second call.
• 1:04:16
  [SPEAKER_06]: hope in the second call real quick.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_06]: But y'all I think I just we got to wrap our heads around that.
• 1:04:24
  [SPEAKER_06]: It did not cost any draft capital to get a premium past Russia.
• 1:04:30
  [SPEAKER_06]: That's only 26 years old.
• 1:04:33
  [SPEAKER_06]: Coming from big van geosystem and he's already proven when healthy to be a disruptor.
• 1:04:40
  [SPEAKER_06]: Dan Morgan is the man I'm here to tell you.
• 1:04:43
  [SPEAKER_06]: But hey, I do got a question for you guys though.
• 1:04:46
  [SPEAKER_06]: I was thinking, so far and free agency, I really like what we've done so far, but my question for y'all is this.
• 1:04:56
  [SPEAKER_06]: Do y'all think that we've upgraded the floor of our team?
• 1:05:00
  [SPEAKER_06]: Or do you think we've upgraded the ceiling?
• 1:05:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: Or, oh, that's interesting.
• 1:05:05
  [SPEAKER_06]: Based on the moves that we've made so far.
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_06]: Have we raised the floor, but not the ceiling?
• 1:05:11
  [SPEAKER_06]: Have we raised the ceiling, but not the floor?
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_06]: or the y'all feel like with the moves that we've made so far, we've upgraded the ceiling and the floor.
• 1:05:20
  [SPEAKER_06]: I'm really curious to know y'all felt so in that, but anyway y'all, this the hope Dilla A is Tuesday, the weather's beautiful, the rain is gone, the the tempest, the hurricanes, all that they ought to have.
• 1:05:33
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• 1:05:36
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• 1:05:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you for that call.
• 1:05:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: The hope dealer bringing hope to us is the floor raised and the ceiling stayed the same or is the floor raised and the ceiling higher.
• 1:05:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: I got to think this is that the floor has to be raised, right?
• 1:05:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: This was not a stand pat off season.
• 1:05:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right, and a stamp pat off season with that kind of historic Panther, you know, bringing in some kind of semi-moves, you know, this is, I think the panthers really up their game, and I think if the floor isn't raised, then that would be insane, right, is that the Carolina Panthers address so many important needs on defense that they may not get.
• 1:06:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now I think works or not on paper.
• 1:06:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I think the ceiling is really, I think this is, I mean, you've got two key pieces and that knew I feel like we're holding us back last year, CK.
• 1:06:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: No, I think I think the floor, there's, so the biggest signing of the offseason was the Jalen Phillips, right?
• 1:06:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: That kept the floor where it was, because that's a high risk signing.
• 1:06:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: But when he's been healthy, he's been one of the best past wrestlers in the NFL.
• 1:06:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, why that's valuable to us?
• 1:06:58
  [SPEAKER_08]: And we're talking about pressures.
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: We're not talking about sex because that's largely we're back at the King of Olmost when we talk about things like the Bryan Burns.
• 1:07:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: Brian Burnt had a similar thing, but he was able to actually get an over 10, you know, 10 sacks in a season one time, you know, with us at least.
• 1:07:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: But what this is going to do with this scheme that Everrow plays, and this is where Everrow is going to possibly have a great defense next year, is when you put pressure on the quarterback, you have two things that you're acquiring them to do to either escape the pocket, or to throw the ball sooner than they wanted to.
• 1:07:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: And that's going to benefit you when you have ball hock cornerbacks like we do in Mike Jackson and J.C. Horn.
• 1:07:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I think the turnovers could be a big part about why they brought Jalen Phillips in.
• 1:07:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: It may not necessarily be about getting the get in the sacks and the sack fumbles as C dogs looking for when it comes to a big contract like this.
• 1:07:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: It may very well be about getting short fields for offense, things like that.
• 1:07:57
  [SPEAKER_08]: But the ceiling.
• 1:07:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, here's the other part, the Devon Lloyd signing, the Walker signing, these raised the floor pretty significantly.
• 1:08:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: Right.
• 1:08:11
  [SPEAKER_08]: Those, those bring the, the floor up.
• 1:08:14
  [SPEAKER_08]: The ceiling maybe doesn't go jump through the roof with those guys, but it does, the, the ceiling.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: So right now, it has, I think it's equally raised the ceiling and it's equally raised the floor because having, you've got a couple of those guys who I think are going to be solid starters for us and keep our floor, floor a little bit higher.
• 1:08:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: So that's, that's my answer to the question.
• 1:08:38
  [SPEAKER_08]: Obviously, we did that.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I agree to a certain extent.
• 1:08:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, honestly, if you look at what we did last year, we had some blaring holes.
• 1:08:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, there were some blaring holes, and I think we worked to address them.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: But if you think about it, I think, if you look at just our past protection, right?
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: From last year to the year before, I mean, two years ago, we allowed 60-some sex.
• 1:09:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Last year we allowed, I think, what, 30, 35?
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we already were moving up, now the reason I'm pointing that out, we've made some signings that I think could make that even better.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's gonna raise our floor.
• 1:09:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, you know, the whole thing with Iki, I mean, that's still to be seen, but I think we've worked to at least stay put.
• 1:09:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: what we had accomplished last year.
• 1:09:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then we get people like Jalen Phillips and some of these other guys, I think that raises our ceiling.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm gonna say, I think our floor maybe right where it was.
• 1:09:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think we kept that about the same, but I think the ceiling I think is gonna be exponentially higher with some of these guys we've brought in.
• 1:09:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Some of these moves we've made.
• 1:09:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, again, you sign a god of a four-four-year multi-contract like we did Phillips.
• 1:10:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we expect him to produce and I think that right there is the ceiling going up.
• 1:10:06
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's a fair take.
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that the four kind of is where it's at, I mean, is that that natural trajectory, you want to see natural growth.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
• 1:10:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: So you want to see, you know, incremental growth like the Panthers, you know, just two games better, one game better.
• 1:10:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: But, you know, if we go back to how that that shook out last year is that what
• 1:10:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, there's plays and there's issues that that plague this team in a sense that could have flipped it to a 9 and 8, a 10 and 7 type season and we see K was all over it all season about
• 1:10:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: of the past rush to pass rush and then if you look at two some of those games if if you look at so many people talk about the pre-vent pre-vent defense and they're they talk about like how mad they get about especially in that rand's game like you just let them how they can just you know well it's down the middle of the few minutes no game like no effort whatsoever like they literally all they had to do was just run a
• 1:11:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, and the weakness is there where is coverage in line the linebacker.
• 1:11:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: and the lack of password.
• 1:11:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: So on paper, these, I think it, like you said, is like, I mean, they have to work right for it.
• 1:11:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: So like, I mean, you can't forecast injuries.
• 1:11:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: You can't, but I mean, the team got better on paper.
• 1:11:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think, though, where the ceiling can go.
• 1:11:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: And and this is what we'll talk about this Jalen Phillips, which is kind of the controversial
• 1:11:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, some people see as an overpay or is it a bold move and what we were this kind of is very adjacent to the conversation we were just having is this a win now or build right is that if you would have traded for Max Crosby.
• 1:11:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, you're paying for the name, the now and you're putting so much into it.
• 1:12:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: If you would have played the money like you're paying Jalen Phillips for trade Hendrix in, which you could have gotten cheaper, right?
• 1:12:09
  [SPEAKER_09]: You're paying for the player now and this very short window.
• 1:12:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: The risk with Jalen Phillips is that he's he's had injury problems throughout his college and professional career.
• 1:12:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: some of these injuries are kind of like those complimentary injuries is that you have a nice yellow injury and that you're probably trying to come back so quick that it stresses other parts of your body that then led to an ACL injury right.
• 1:12:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, was it so was an ACL then Achilles, right?
• 1:12:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think so.
• 1:12:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
• 1:12:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, is that, but you know, those kind of like, how do you compensate because of one injury, your body, you know, like trying, uh, he did play a full 17 game season last year, right?
• 1:12:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: With two teams.
• 1:12:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: What I like is, and look, I'm just rooting for these moves, right?
• 1:12:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, I don't know if they're going to work, but I like to be honest, I like Jalen Phillips as a signing better than I like trading for Max Crosby.
• 1:13:08
  [SPEAKER_09]: I like Jalen Phillips, signing better than I like paying trainers.
• 1:13:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: Jalen Phillips, kind of a one trick pony.
• 1:13:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's more of a past rusher.
• 1:13:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's not so much built for the run stop, right?
• 1:13:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that Phillips is an over is truly an overall player if he, when he's out there,
• 1:13:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, but I will, here's the thing that teams and we go back to that win now or build, right?
• 1:13:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: Are you paying for the player that was or you paying for what you think they're going to be?
• 1:13:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: And so yes, there is a risk in a gamble here, but I think that Dan Morgan is paying Jaylen Philips, not for the player he has been, but the player he believes he can and will be.
• 1:13:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I think that is, I really do think that this is, I mean, it looks big and let's actually just we'll do it with quick, we'll just bust through this real quick and we'll take back to the calls right away, but like while we're talking about Jalen Phillips.
• 1:14:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: is the question is is a lot of people the reaction has been is like how the heck did you pay this guy this amount of money where he's getting paid like this is in the previous slide right here is I mean we're talking Jaylin Phillips is ahead of Daniel Hunter who was like think like one of the sack leaders last year TJ watt miles Garrett right again are you paying for the player that was or what they will be
• 1:14:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: And a lot of people have reacted to this on the internet.
• 1:14:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, let me take these comments down.
• 1:14:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: I would do that.
• 1:14:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: Here we go.
• 1:14:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, just so we can see this.
• 1:14:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: But the, the question is, is this the right bold move or is this an overpay?
• 1:14:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: This is at, at, at him, is this him bid stand him, him, him, him be it stand here.
• 1:14:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: Uh, I think this is Panthers fan.
• 1:14:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: Jayla Phillips to the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:14:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: This move, he wrote, uh, he writes this.
• 1:14:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: This move was one that had NFL fans feeling all sorts of way.
• 1:14:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: Some people believe this was a great signing while others believe Phillips is overrated and the Panthers overpaid.
• 1:15:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm personally someone who loves this sign and the Panthers defense has the right pieces with Derek Brown, JC Horn, Mike Jackson, things that CK meant.
• 1:15:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: uh... are suggested there but desperately needed help on the edge films coming off the season where he generated pressure on eighteen point eight percent of his past rush snaps forth in the league with twenty two hundred fifty plus more snap so he played a whole season the pathers are coming off the season where they had eighty two hours as a unit thing about that films that's coming off the season where he had sixty by himself
• 1:15:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right.
• 1:15:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: So if you just add that to the equation, we're raising the floor there if it works out.
• 1:15:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: 30 million is a lot.
• 1:15:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: I agree.
• 1:15:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I believe the money is well spent in the Panther's defense changes overnight with Lloyd and Phillips.
• 1:15:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: Other people I found on Twitter talking about this, these were not paid.
• 1:15:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: I looked at it profile just to see.
• 1:15:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, in this fight, like I mean, just looking around and outside look.
• 1:15:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: Matt Mosley said I like Philips as this is I think is full tag I like Philips as a player but not only does the overall cost of this deal seem like to be an overpay that 80 million guaranteed money within the first year as ridiculous lesser clubs always do this as a way to attract Panthers are taking a risk here I mean look you can't argue there there is a risk to it
• 1:16:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, Hugh Juppside says 28 and a half sacks in five years.
• 1:16:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: This is an insane overpay.
• 1:16:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, if we look at the contract details, guys, Jaylin Phillips signed a four year 120 million dollar contract with the Panthers, including $35 million signed in bonus, 80 million guaranteed average salary of 30 million.
• 1:16:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: In 2026, he will get a base salary of 1.25 million.
• 1:16:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: But a siding bonus of 35 million, a workout bonus of 25,
• 1:16:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: uh... carrying a cap hit of only nine i don't know how they do this but somehow uh... i mean i do a little bit but only count ten million against the cap and if we just look at it real quick i got this is what it looks like after year one uh... cap hit in twenty twenty seven is thirty two point five million big
• 1:17:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: big cap it right there's like that's when he's getting that 30 million number and your pants in the Panthers are feeling as a club Panthers are got him next year regardless of that because there's 50 million dollars in dead cap so they're spreading out that 60 million over this four years and year three
• 1:17:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: Cap hit goes up five more million 38 17 and a half in dead money and year four 38 million dollar cap still sitting there the same but the that this is when the Panthers can get out of this deal if they want to right to get.
• 1:17:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, I mean, I would say, when you look at the final, that final year, that's the one that's going to be, we could see us, you know, we could get out of that and save 30 million dollars to the cap if we needed to, but that also is the year where we would open up for an additional negotiation.
• 1:18:09
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, to maybe spread that $38 million cap hit over another five year, you know, contractor a four year or three year contract, you know, so that usually those contracts are built in with the final year being kind of an opt-out option.
• 1:18:24
  [SPEAKER_08]: And that's sort of what you see there with that structure with this contract.
• 1:18:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: D.K.
• 1:18:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: when I look at these numbers, I just try to remind myself what I was saying is we're paying for what you will be, not what he is, is you're not, imagine sounding a deal like this to a guy who's starting, you know, he wouldn't do it.
• 1:18:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: It wouldn't happen.
• 1:18:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: But again, this was a need that we needed.
• 1:18:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like I said before, we got two years ago, I would have
• 1:18:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right, last year again, we allowed half the sacks we did the year before.
• 1:19:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: However, we were 30th in the league in sacks last year.
• 1:19:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's where we have a glaring hole.
• 1:19:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you paste somebody like this.
• 1:19:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You structure something like this to where the guy's going to come in.
• 1:19:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think it's an instant shot of adrenaline to our line.
• 1:19:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And now,
• 1:19:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be, I think this is worth it, man.
• 1:19:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, look, I say, again, the cap hit next year, it's not awful.
• 1:19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: is it's not, especially, I mean, it's a top tier player, right?
• 1:19:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's what you pay for, you know, if he goes out there and, look, I mean, if he has 10 sex and has a pressure rate that we're talking about, like, we're sitting here going, that's money will spend, if he has a high pressure rate with not many as many sex, you're probably still saying, look, he's going to get, you can get better.
• 1:19:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: The only thing that is the risk is that if he gets, if any player, any single player gets hurt.
• 1:19:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's with anybody, it doesn't matter who they are, what you're paying them, and you're playing the NFL.
• 1:20:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's going to happen.
• 1:20:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can't predict it.
• 1:20:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: You've got to pace the guy for what you need and what you think he's going to be.
• 1:20:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: And we're not playing scared money, right?
• 1:20:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, that's what we've done.
• 1:20:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: We've signed a Bruce Irvin and the Twilight of his career in 2019 for nothing.
• 1:20:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: We've gotten what Justin Houston, who's just, you know, I mean, even my favorite player of all time, Julius Peppers is like the sunset of their career.
• 1:20:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: is that if you are going to, I mean, like, the payethers have not historically put out money.
• 1:20:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: There is a risk.
• 1:20:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I would rather spend the money with the opportunity than to, you know, get in the batter's box and take a swing, man.
• 1:20:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yep.
• 1:20:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:20:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: To get to the top half of the league in sacks this year, going from 30 to the top half, I'm stoked.
• 1:20:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, because our defense jump from like what though a historically worst CK two years ago to ultimately what close to the top 20 in a round jump about 10 spots defense played well makes a move and yeah, they made some things and we'll talk about this next week we'll do the what's the blueprint right.
• 1:21:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: the blueprint.
• 1:21:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, so we'll come back and talk about that next week and some of the things they're thinking about on defense.
• 1:21:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: So maybe is yes, there is risk with this.
• 1:21:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: And as Jonathan Collins, thank you for the C3 Super Chat dollar 99 appreciate it, man, help in the keep the stream yard paid right there.
• 1:21:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: Could be an overpay, but this is something you have to do to attract free agents.
• 1:21:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: Exactly.
• 1:21:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I still, I just like the young, I'd rather take the gamble on a young player.
• 1:21:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: I was not just like, if Cody was here, it was like tray hinders and that was his dude.
• 1:21:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: I just think that's like kind of name and sack number and not paying what they were.
• 1:21:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: So let's go back to the calls and numbers 252, 228, 5098.
• 1:21:54
  [SPEAKER_04]: We got Kevin the whole.
• 1:22:02
  [SPEAKER_04]: Like after we got seven, the roundbacker, I was like, yo, did any money left for Walker?
• 1:22:12
  [SPEAKER_04]: I just joked around on that, so in the very exact figure of a little shit.
• 1:22:19
  [SPEAKER_04]: Plus in crazy, man, but, you know, there's still a good freedom, so there, you know, the depot Samuel out there, and you know, the receiver didn't do a tight-end,
• 1:22:32
  [SPEAKER_04]: some corners, a resumed Douglas, and can be out there receiver.
• 1:22:37
  [SPEAKER_04]: I mean, they're corner, you know, kind of fill in a lot of it, because we don't have a lot of money left.
• 1:22:42
  [SPEAKER_04]: That's the craziest thing that's like the middle still, the pack.
• 1:22:47
  [SPEAKER_04]: Um, part of the draft goes BPA, first round, and I think that the BPA is going to be at the tight end of Oregon, you know, on a safe, um,
• 1:23:00
  [SPEAKER_04]: This thing also, I think we're going to have to draft a couple of offensive liners and backouts and future starters because I think one might be gone and probably one of our two guards are going to be gone.
• 1:23:16
  [SPEAKER_04]: I say, drafts are defense stack will too, but I think pick 19 or either, you know, EPA or trade back and this is the perfect opportunity to trade back.
• 1:23:30
  [SPEAKER_04]: This time, 19, from Xbox, because, you know, it's powerful from 19, but 32, it's kind of the same, you know, much closer than number one overall to 19, you know, let's get an extra second round pick or something, we're getting next year first, you know, that's the thing that you can do in nowadays,
• 1:23:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: Peace.
• 1:24:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks, Kevin.
• 1:24:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll talk about that tight end.
• 1:24:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll take one more call and come back to that tight end discussion.
• 1:24:06
  [SPEAKER_09]: Some of the mock drafts going forward.
• 1:24:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Hey guys, Shelby Jenkins here.
• 1:24:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: I wanted to call in and talk about the free agents we've got and also give you an update on some alternative football.
• 1:24:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: But as far as the free agents that we're bringing in.
• 1:24:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: I was really excited with what we brought in last year on defense, and I feel like I'm even more excited now, especially after watching a lot of those videos that the Panthers have been putting out, and I was thinking of something kind of funny, but like, you know, we're, I mean, I really think that we're covering a lot of needs and yeah, I mean, we need, there are still some glaring holes, but I mean, you know, like on the offensive line, I would, I would think.
• 1:24:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: But other than that, we can pretty much just sit around the tree on draft day Christmas and see what Danta Claus will be bringing us.
• 1:25:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Anyway, as far as the alternative football league updates for you, I got to see Paxton Lynch play quarterback in the NAL, the National Arena League, and that's very much again one of the
• 1:25:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and so to see a giant NFL caliber, what's new, a first round pick of the Broncos, baby.
• 1:25:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: Maybe second.
• 1:25:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know.
• 1:25:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 1:25:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: And NFL-sized quarterback playing amongst those guys, uh, let's just say the Colorado Spartans dominated the Dallas Bulls, whose days themselves had just beat Team Mexico 101 to nothing the week before.
• 1:25:42
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and that's in the NAL.
• 1:25:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: Um, and the IFL, uh, my favorite team was Fisher's Freight One, uh, with my guy Felix, uh, Felix Harper.
• 1:25:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: I met this guy, um, a long time ago, um, in Jacksonville, when he was getting ready to go play to Jacksonville Sharks, and, and that's how I came, that's how I came to know of the IFL.
• 1:26:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, rooting for my guy Felix and the Freight, featuring
• 1:26:10
  [SPEAKER_02]: And then of course the US will be starting up next weekend and again they're going to have a four point field goal so any kick after 60 yards We four points and I was listening to Rick new highs will choose the coach of the Dallas team.
• 1:26:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think he was a rich rich I think or whatever the hell that guy's name is.
• 1:26:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: But he was saying that what would the strategy be if you're on like third down and you tell your quarterback.
• 1:26:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: drop back and take a sack so that we could potentially kick a 60-yard field goal because all these kickers in the NFL that are set in all these records pretty much every single one of them came from the USL or the USFL but from the Spring League so they're capitalizing on that and they will have a 4 point field goal this year.
• 1:26:57
  [SPEAKER_02]: So anyway that's your alternative football league update.
• 1:27:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: As always this has been John B. Jenkins keep pounding Carolina Panthers keep pounding
• 1:27:09
  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks John B with the alternative football update what we learned from John B.
• 1:27:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: He has just aren't window into the wild world of football that we don't know about but you know I've gotten excited about when the AFL came out like we were like looking for something for this break and this and that and none of them ever work.
• 1:27:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: But wow, what we've learned from John B Jenkins is that they are really pushing the limits of what you can do with the rules of football for a four-yard, for a four-point field goal to different rules in the fourth quarter, it's insane out there.
• 1:27:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you, John B Jenkins, who likes the NFL free agency.
• 1:27:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's go back quickly to, we got two more calls in the, three more, we'll take one more quick call and then we'll go back to Caves.
• 1:27:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: Coming about the tight ends in the draft.
• 1:28:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I just wanted to talk about that Jalen silo.
• 1:28:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think it's a huge move.
• 1:28:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Kind of like a poker face showing where the Pantheon organization is now on how they're feeling about moving forward and being contenders.
• 1:28:28
  [SPEAKER_03]: in this league.
• 1:28:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: That makes sense.
• 1:28:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, actually, that's a good segue to this is we'll come back.
• 1:28:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: Kevin, don't forget we're coming back to Titan needs and the mock drafts that are out there and who's out there.
• 1:28:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: But guys, the NFC South is historically been a very tight division, right, is people call it the worst division.
• 1:28:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: We get offended by that is that we're always
• 1:28:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: this is wild right now is if you as of today the NFC South is being described as the most wide open and high stakes division in the NFL in some ways because this I mean I guess every division is doing an arms race to a deal but when I tell you the odds of the division winners I think
• 1:29:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: Here are a lot of Panthers.
• 1:29:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: One of the division, correct?
• 1:29:29
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:29:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: I don't get the worst odds to win it again.
• 1:29:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: They do.
• 1:29:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that Tampa Bay right now has the odds to win or in the range, if you look across the betting sites, plus one 25 to plus one 60.
• 1:29:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: Why old by the way?
• 1:29:45
  [SPEAKER_09]: I know 43 to 46% probability is implied right there.
• 1:29:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: New Orleans at number two, plus 320 to 360,
• 1:29:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: It actually gets really tight for New Orleans and the Falcons.
• 1:29:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's people like New Orleans and the Falcons going into this season.
• 1:30:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: 20% to 29% is their implied probability of Falcons, plus 105 to a range of all the way to plus 400, but the implied probability is 23 to 26%.
• 1:30:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: The Carolina Panthers are plus 375 is the lowest number, and plus 550 is the highest number.
• 1:30:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: They're the odds on favorite to not win the division, and I know I have Panther goggles on.
• 1:30:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: I understand that I root for my team to hate the Falcons more than anybody.
• 1:30:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think, but when I look around and will quickly look around this free agency,
• 1:30:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't see in the coming back to the hope dealers comment is the floor I see the floor going up and the ceiling going up for Carolina at a rate that is different for these other teams.
• 1:30:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: Where is this disrespect coming from DK?
• 1:30:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: Why are the Carolina Panthers is just just the way it is?
• 1:30:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean historically look at it and I hate saying it but I mean that's what we've been and it's been because of you know let's be honest we've had some some
• 1:31:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: GM's manager, we've had some people that didn't do that well of a job that kind of put us back for a little bit.
• 1:31:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, let's look at some of the trays that have put us back for years when it comes to, you know, CMC, some of these other ones that I, you know, we all may not agree with, we may agree with, but I think that's kind of the stigma we're dealing with.
• 1:31:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, people look at us.
• 1:31:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I'll look these guys are trading away the bank.
• 1:31:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, then Bryce too short can't play.
• 1:31:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I can't see over the line.
• 1:31:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a lot of these, I guess, stereo types that people throw out there for who the Panthers are, what they do.
• 1:31:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: And to me, I don't make a lot of sense.
• 1:31:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the Tampa Bay Buck and I should not be.
• 1:31:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: the top.
• 1:31:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:32:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I didn't make Jay perform.
• 1:32:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: They looked like the worst team in the South for the back half of the year.
• 1:32:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like it was they what was seven of the last nine games that they played and the only reason they won one of those two was because the coaches basically handed them the game against Panthers.
• 1:32:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think they're at the top the same reason we're at the bottom.
• 1:32:20
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's just what people, it's the books that have been at the top of the division for, you know, the past five, six years, you know, it admittedly.
• 1:32:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: and we've been at the bottom.
• 1:32:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: You're right.
• 1:32:34
  [SPEAKER_08]: You're right.
• 1:32:35
  [SPEAKER_08]: It's hard to trust the Panthers right now because you don't know who they are.
• 1:32:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: I mean, again, we after we had that three game win streak, we were win loss, win loss, win loss, loss, loss, loss, you know what I mean?
• 1:32:47
  [SPEAKER_08]: It was like a, it was just a comedy when it comes to the Panthers.
• 1:32:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like we would win the games we shouldn't win, but we would lose the games we should.
• 1:33:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I know these are odd.
• 1:33:04
  [SPEAKER_08]: These are where people are putting their money.
• 1:33:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: So it's hard to put the money on the Panthers.
• 1:33:07
  [SPEAKER_08]: I am fairly aware of that.
• 1:33:10
  [SPEAKER_08]: But when you look at what the Panthers have done versus what the rest of the NFC South has done in the free agency, nobody really measures up to the Panthers free agency.
• 1:33:21
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, the bucks, they lost more than they were able to replace the Asian Robinson signing.
• 1:33:29
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think that was a decent signing for them.
• 1:33:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: I'm not going to knock it.
• 1:33:32
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think he's a good player, but let's not get it twisted.
• 1:33:36
  [SPEAKER_08]: Losing that's not replacing what Mike Evans brought.
• 1:33:39
  [SPEAKER_08]: That's not replacing the Jamel Dean.
• 1:33:41
  [SPEAKER_08]: right, that's not that they haven't done that.
• 1:33:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: And we'll see that now the Falcons the other part of this is they just now they've have a new head coach.
• 1:33:50
  [SPEAKER_08]: They don't know where Panics is at.
• 1:33:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: They're replacing right now they've got to in there.
• 1:33:54
  [SPEAKER_08]: So we don't even know who's going to be just starting quarterback at the beginning of the year this year.
• 1:33:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, if they so we there's uncertainty there, you know, you don't know what's happening at James Pierce Junior.
• 1:34:05
  [SPEAKER_08]: They don't have
• 1:34:08
  [SPEAKER_08]: Right, so it's not like they're going to be able to build in the draft in a significant way based on just that alone, um, you know, to have them even ahead of us is, you know, just doesn't make a tremendous amount of sense, the offensive, the Atlanta Falcons looked fantastic last year towards the end of it with Kirk cousins.
• 1:34:27
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, I mean, so like, and he's not there anymore.
• 1:34:30
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I don't know.
• 1:34:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, the Saints are the only ones that I would say, you know, I would be a little bit cautious about.
• 1:34:37
  [SPEAKER_08]: They brought in what Kate Nellis from the Falcons to back to the Saints.
• 1:34:42
  [SPEAKER_08]: I think he was a great linebacker for the Falcons.
• 1:34:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: They brought in who else they brought in this who wasn't that they got to.
• 1:34:53
  [SPEAKER_08]: It was a, it was a very, it was a good sign and he can't remember who it was, but they brought in some people that, you know, but they're still dealing with a cap issue over there in the Saints as well.
• 1:35:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: So, you know, we'll see if Shug has a rookie, you know, a sophomore slum.
• 1:35:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: Two good comments in the chat about where these odds are and the reference that the Panthers have the toughest schedule next year.
• 1:35:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, I'm sure that that's the way they do it based on division winners.
• 1:35:34
  [SPEAKER_09]: But at the same time, these division opponents have to play the same out of the division opponents that the Carolina Panthers do a set for a couple, maybe two or three games that are outside of that cycle, right?
• 1:35:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: They cycle the AFC or whatever it is, right?
• 1:35:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I think one of the things about look at these odds, guys, is I think about fantasy football.
• 1:35:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: And fantasy football projection lists are just so last year based.
• 1:36:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, it's like, oh, it's just what they did last year.
• 1:36:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's just project it into this year.
• 1:36:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: So one of the fantasy football problems that happens there is that it doesn't take into account players.
• 1:36:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: I've injured or new players and stuff like, and it doesn't cycle some of the nuance to it.
• 1:36:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I think that this is what we're talking about the nuance here is that it feels like.
• 1:36:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: The Tampa Bay bucket ears is that while they've been the leader for a while it feels like is that it's been close and they seem like they are sliding or not making improvements and if you look at this is they lose Mike Evans, but here are their free agent sign and Jake Browning.
• 1:36:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: Kenneth Gainwell now Kenneth Gainwell is they lose Rashid white Rashid white to the commanders at running back Kenneth Gainwell though was a name team MVP for the Steelers he's a dual threat 1000 yards from scrimmage, but he had 537 Russian yards 486 received this is their biggest sign really and it's just with is trying to and Bucky Irvin's their dude
• 1:37:06
  [SPEAKER_09]: Look, Kate Altman's a guy that was already on their team, Dan Freeney, offensive line, Alquadon, Muhammad, enough, I mean, a six year, one year, six million dollar to A-shan.
• 1:37:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's A-shan and Kenneth Gainwell is it.
• 1:37:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's the same team, minus Mike Evans, with those guys.
• 1:37:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now if you look to,
• 1:37:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's do this New Orleans right is New Orleans now.
• 1:37:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: I feel like New Orleans said we've got a second year quarterback that we this guy is a little bit better than we've anticipated So let's Let's do some things on offense.
• 1:37:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: They're going to get Travis at the end of a fan But they lost some players.
• 1:37:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let me see who did who did Mario Davis when I'm just saying please
• 1:37:59
  [SPEAKER_08]: Tomorrow, Davis, Cam Jordan is still not back.
• 1:38:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: Well, yeah.
• 1:38:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
• 1:38:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I think they think he's going to come back.
• 1:38:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: But like his how much did that team change with the additions?
• 1:38:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: Are they lose?
• 1:38:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, here they lost a Mario Davis key linebacker.
• 1:38:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe an aging player, right?
• 1:38:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: You're not like crying hysterically about it.
• 1:38:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: But that New Orleans defense was better than we thought after the New Orleans offense got better throughout the season.
• 1:38:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, really is this.
• 1:38:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: Here are the names.
• 1:38:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: Tai Chamler, Travis Etienne, Noah Fant, David Edwards, who is a Sonda deal that pay him upwards.
• 1:38:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's often a guard, Dylan Rod, no, I like, I don't know any of these players.
• 1:38:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: And maybe a Julian Blackman, nothing right there.
• 1:38:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: And then you look to Atlanta, uh, now at Atlanta, things get kind of walking here.
• 1:39:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, Karkozans gone, right, who, Karkozans, I tell you this.
• 1:39:06
  [SPEAKER_09]: This is like my hero, he really is my hero, man.
• 1:39:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is this dude makes more money than anybody?
• 1:39:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yep, remember he broke records when he went to Minnesota.
• 1:39:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, he got, he got franchise like three times with the commanders or where they're the football, they were the red skin to the football team to the commanders, but
• 1:39:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: He then got an $80 million fully guaranteed in two years of Minnesota.
• 1:39:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think got a $106 million deal with Atlanta and he did, and it was a backup.
• 1:39:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: But now they've signed two attack of a lower to a one-year deal, vet minimum.
• 1:39:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: Jehan Dodson, who was a former commander, Austin Hooper, right?
• 1:39:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think that's a break.
• 1:39:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is that a bringback?
• 1:39:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah, he was there, but that yeah, it was he was there before.
• 1:39:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: They sent their money into cow pits.
• 1:40:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: They brought like with the franchise tag.
• 1:40:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: None of these others are like so what I'm asking or what we I think we go back to the hope dealers call was is that when we look at this is that the Panthers seem to be stepping forward while these other teams either are maintaining.
• 1:40:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: It really feels like
• 1:40:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: We'll have to get up with them and feel like with some of their analysts, let's take another call.
• 1:40:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: We've got two more calls and we'll come back to, we're rounding out the show.
• 1:40:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: We're going as fast as we can.
• 1:40:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: We still got to talk about that mock draft where the, what this, the panthers are getting set up here, that tight in situation and is this historically the best free agency ever.
• 1:40:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's go back to the calls.
• 1:40:45
  [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you.
• 1:40:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: How's it going?
• 1:40:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry.
• 1:40:48
  [SPEAKER_05]: I've been coming on your part today, but my thing about Jerry Phillips contract is that if you guys go and look it up, we're only on the books or the cat hit is only about 10 million.
• 1:41:06
  [SPEAKER_05]: So it's a year one.
• 1:41:12
  [SPEAKER_05]: contract friendly or cat friendly deal, the same thing with Devon Loat, the first year.
• 1:41:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: every contract friendly.
• 1:41:22
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think after the next year, well, both with Den and Lloyd, we're only on the hook for about nine million or so.
• 1:41:30
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think with Jason Phillips, when he gets to 30 or the year before his last year, we have out there too.
• 1:41:38
  [SPEAKER_05]: So Brent Till is and then more to really cook on these contracts.
• 1:41:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they got this guarantee money, but they already got that upfront.
• 1:41:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: And then down this first year,
• 1:41:47
  [SPEAKER_05]: It's very, very, very cat-friendly, and to me, that's great, because our cat is looking to be about 58 million next year, and then the year after that, about 70, eight, I want to say, because I was looking at it the other day.
• 1:42:02
  [SPEAKER_05]: So we're looking, we're looking great.
• 1:42:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: They're doing a great job, and like that, I said, we got free, and we got a person and a premium position.
• 1:42:13
  [SPEAKER_05]: and had to give them no and gave up no draft capital.
• 1:42:16
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think they were cooking on both of those contracts and include those to tell us and than more than on that.
• 1:42:24
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think we're in win mode now.
• 1:42:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: So go dry off, brush some more weapons, don't get people out there who can make a difference.
• 1:42:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: And the last year to the simple bulb now, rather than later, I appreciate you guys having.
• 1:42:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm all.
• 1:42:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: Great call, great comments and chat.
• 1:42:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you for I think that's the first time caller man and welcome to the C3 Panthers podcast and we're here every Tuesday night live at 9pm long just running 14 years nonstop doing this podcast.
• 1:42:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: expert football fans, not football experts, but just like you guys working through the news and notes every week.
• 1:43:06
  [SPEAKER_09]: Actually, that's a good time.
• 1:43:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: He said this.
• 1:43:08
  [SPEAKER_09]: He said, let's talk about getting Bryce Youngson weapons.
• 1:43:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: If we talk about, look, is how we're positioned.
• 1:43:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is Jutavia Sanders
• 1:43:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe third round pick.
• 1:43:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think guys a couple years ago showed some promise got that neck injury Kind of disappeared had a big drop early in the season You know, I got to restart it himself and was play you know, but look it's Tommy Trimble to take his Sanders and I oh Mitchell Mitchell who played a great rookie season with the Carolina Panthers
• 1:43:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: you know is that is this the place now if you look at and I want to give credit where credit's do is check out at Justin M underscore NFL he writes for sid.com he sent me his mock draft and as the Carolina Panthers taken.
• 1:44:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: Kenyan Sadik.
• 1:44:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now Kenyan Sadik is like one of these, let me see, what was his combat and numbers.
• 1:44:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: They were kind of like the sick Kenyan.
• 1:44:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, he had a 4.39 40.
• 1:44:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, right.
• 1:44:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: And then I think there was kind of like it was like him master clay like is, you know, the kind of cow pits a lure, you know, of that speed athlete and there is like, yeah, and then there's kind of like all these other tight ends in that dress in this class are still like tight in athletic worthy, but that number that 439 40 R dash a 43 and a half inch vertical.
• 1:44:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, this guy right here is a, the toast of the town in a sense, or at least.
• 1:44:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: So I think that you're looking about adding offensive weapons to Tavia Sanders coming off the injury.
• 1:45:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: I have historically been against drafting tight ends in the first round.
• 1:45:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think though that I've tried to adjust.
• 1:45:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: I just say not in the top 15, I can see that, but I will give you this is,
• 1:45:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right now, their look is like, what do the Panthers want to do?
• 1:45:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: They open things up.
• 1:45:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: This free agency position them to do whatever the hell they want.
• 1:45:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: It feels like, right, is they don't, they're not forced into anything, but another name.
• 1:45:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: This is fun is in the same mock draft, the pick before.
• 1:45:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: Number 18 to the Minnesota Vikings was Dylan Diamond also Oregon player, safety, who this safety ran at 435 and had a 41 inch vertical.
• 1:45:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now,
• 1:45:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: These are two names that have heard people like, oh, this would be great.
• 1:45:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's add him.
• 1:45:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: You know, we're early on who knows what's going to happen in the draft.
• 1:46:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: When I do like about this is these two, these numbers, these combat combat free athletes are kind of being projected in the Panthers range right here.
• 1:46:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: This range, we haven't had a range of safety.
• 1:46:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: is dealing diamond, the guy that could be, will they be around?
• 1:46:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is Kenyan said, deep, could he be there?
• 1:46:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: You guys, very quickly, you thought's on the tight end, room, and what is, where, how does, is this something that the Panthers need to do to bolster that offense?
• 1:46:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to say, I think, 100%, I mean, you think about it, the Panthers have basically ranked in the bottom of the league for tight end usage since Greg Olson.
• 1:46:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: the bottom.
• 1:46:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:46:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I mean, we haven't had anybody that could do that.
• 1:46:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just not a thing.
• 1:46:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think again.
• 1:46:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine having an athletic tight in like this to take attention off Teteroa or to even give Bryce a quick dump off to somebody who got 10 inch hands The dude's got 10 inch hands.
• 1:47:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna catch the ball.
• 1:47:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's not gonna drop it.
• 1:47:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's gonna catch it.
• 1:47:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that's a safety blanket for Bryce that he's not had since he's been with us
• 1:47:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
• 1:47:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know where we're going at the drafts CK.
• 1:47:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: I hate the draft.
• 1:47:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: I hate all the speculation because 99% of it is wrong.
• 1:47:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: 5% turns out to be right.
• 1:47:33
  [SPEAKER_09]: But it is nice to see some of these players that have that freak athleticism or that they're not.
• 1:47:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: We're not talking about players adding to the team and they're really like a 11th pick, a 9th pick, you know, is maybe we'll see what
• 1:47:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: Take care.
• 1:47:49
  [SPEAKER_09]: You ready to take the next call?
• 1:47:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's do it, man.
• 1:47:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let's go.
• 1:47:54
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think you guys doing it again.
• 1:47:55
  [SPEAKER_05]: This is some part of this second part about draft picks.
• 1:48:00
  [SPEAKER_05]: I like came into the a lot.
• 1:48:04
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think he's going to make it to us and maybe he won't.
• 1:48:07
  [SPEAKER_05]: I like dealing in tournaments as well.
• 1:48:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: another organ guy, but he may not get to us as well.
• 1:48:15
  [SPEAKER_05]: So at number 19, I'm okay with whatever, Janet and then the size to do.
• 1:48:19
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, it all depends on who's there.
• 1:48:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: Maybe we trade back.
• 1:48:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: I don't really, really know.
• 1:48:25
  [SPEAKER_05]: But.
• 1:48:26
  [SPEAKER_05]: We do need a safety.
• 1:48:28
  [SPEAKER_05]: I really don't want to start the season with Nick Scott.
• 1:48:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: I really really don't.
• 1:48:32
  [SPEAKER_05]: I think he's projected to one side of the field.
• 1:48:36
  [SPEAKER_05]: And that's it.
• 1:48:37
  [SPEAKER_05]: But I would like to, if we don't get feeling, I would love AJ Halsey.
• 1:48:44
  [SPEAKER_05]: I love him as a player.
• 1:48:46
  [SPEAKER_05]: I also like Blood Clark too in the later rounds as well.
• 1:48:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: I like that name too.
• 1:48:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'll see you or Clark.
• 1:48:52
  [SPEAKER_05]: I would absolutely love
• 1:48:57
  [SPEAKER_05]: And if we can give them, okay, great, but I also like Jeremiah Trotter as well as another linebacker.
• 1:49:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: Because I don't believe in travel home, travel office, I don't need some people to do that down.
• 1:49:14
  [SPEAKER_05]: I like stores as well as a tighter if we don't get to be.
• 1:49:21
  [SPEAKER_05]: And this is a host of one's cornerback lies.
• 1:49:23
  [SPEAKER_05]: I know that like we need to, in like, nickel, but just another cornerback too, I would say, I like, Dev and Marshall from North Carolina State in the later rounds.
• 1:49:33
  [SPEAKER_05]: I mean, that kid can play.
• 1:49:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: And I think he can play outside and inside.
• 1:49:39
  [SPEAKER_05]: So I love him with that.
• 1:49:40
  [SPEAKER_05]: And running back lies, I like, that's me Clayborn from Wake Forest as that guy who was in that kind of,
• 1:49:51
  [SPEAKER_05]: Um, HNL, he's fast like HNL, I think he's faster than he is, and he can catch him, you know, he's like a human droist that can all that turn.
• 1:50:01
  [SPEAKER_05]: So that's just my, my take on some of the people who we can draft.
• 1:50:05
  [SPEAKER_05]: There's so many other people who are loving the draft.
• 1:50:08
  [SPEAKER_05]: I'm just proud for that, but what I've been wants to do, like 19, if one of the wide receivers there, I say give Bryce another weapon, because I really think that he needs it, and he can use it, because he started out slow every season, every season, and we need him to start quick, and we need people who can separate, quick, and get open, surprise to get that ball out.
• 1:50:31
  [SPEAKER_05]: And hopefully now that he's entitled to more,
• 1:50:35
  [SPEAKER_05]: But it's not, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's going to be, it's on the list and not all finished.
• 1:50:42
  [SPEAKER_05]: Just like it has in the past because we just don't give a lot of production holidays guys and like we need to start getting more production out of our tight hand position.
• 1:50:50
  [SPEAKER_05]: I really really truly believe that.
• 1:50:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, thank you for the call, you know, like we will try, I will try to navigate you through the draft as best as possible as someone.
• 1:51:06
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm going to ask the listeners and the callers to convince me to care about the NFL draft is that and what I mean by that is I like to wait until they're drafted when I first started the
• 1:51:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: the website, the podcast, we're like, oh, we got to make every, we got to learn every and I was like, man, we spent a bazillion hours when you do mock draft 2.2.7.2 this that come on man, y'all just bored y'all just bored, but right now I do want to final segment or not final segment, we've got the iSub segment that we close out with, but the last part of the show, when I think about free agency and historical context,
• 1:51:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: and how this free agency potentially stacks up and maybe it's going to be difficult to probably answer that question until it pans out.
• 1:51:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: But we got to think of this is that if you want to think about great years for the Carolina Panthers, you got to think about the years that they've made the playoffs, right?
• 1:52:08
  [SPEAKER_09]: You mentioned DK that you became a Panther fan in that
• 1:52:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: That second year, they were able to reach the NFC championship.
• 1:52:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: They basically were a free agent squad in 95.
• 1:52:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:52:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, everybody pretty much.
• 1:52:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's just how it would.
• 1:52:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was their inaugural season.
• 1:52:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think they get that that crazy draft where you get like, they get to pick two or three players from each team.
• 1:52:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: That's actually kind of cool.
• 1:52:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: We need an extra team in the NFL to say it.
• 1:52:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've talked about it.
• 1:52:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: They've talked about it.
• 1:52:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I mean, I think at that point it was what Sam Mills,
• 1:52:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: So we're going to take that first two years off the table, and if you think about this, is that the Panthers made the Super Bowl and that, is it that it would have been the, is it the 2000 hold on, I always get the numbers confused, is it it's the O three O four season, right?
• 1:53:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: The Super Bowl was in O four technically.
• 1:53:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:53:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was the 2003 free agency where they signed the loan.
• 1:53:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: Okay.
• 1:53:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: So we got to say this, is that if we're going to look at like difference makers, we think 2003, we think a 2005, right?
• 1:53:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: Because they get the NFC championship as a wildcard team.
• 1:53:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, eight.
• 1:53:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: They lost
• 1:53:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: We want to think, I mean, obviously, 2015, right?
• 1:53:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: So if we think about those years, let me see, let me who we got here is.
• 1:53:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: And 2003, right, is you have two major or two very important signings.
• 1:53:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: They don't seem like it at the moment, right, is Jake Deloam and Steven Davis.
• 1:53:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: So now let me tell the listeners what we got up here on the screen.
• 1:54:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: And as we will talk about these these couple years and then just try to place what this year could be.
• 1:54:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: But I've looked at like, uh, I went back and I just tried to think I actually made this today.
• 1:54:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: It took way more time than you would think to build this stupid little graphic of just finding jpegs of each player and this in that, but
• 1:54:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: like who are major hits that made a big difference, right?
• 1:54:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like not just like then there are kind of strong hits in free agency did these categories elite hit strong hits solid value kind of met
• 1:54:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: the idea of what you wanted them to be mixed and missed.
• 1:54:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: So we'll kind of just highlight those couple of years.
• 1:54:48
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'll quickly highlight those years and then we'll talk.
• 1:54:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: I want you guys to tell me if we want to move up and down in those rankings.
• 1:54:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: But 2003, you get a Super Bowl team in the making, right?
• 1:55:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: Nobody knows Jake Delome.
• 1:55:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's coming from the Saints.
• 1:55:06
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• 1:55:36
  [SPEAKER_09]: Right, he fast forward to that kind of 0507 range.
• 1:55:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, can Lucas, which I think I have, if I'm going to move somebody up and down in this, it's can Lucas, my list right here, can Lucas being the second in the strong hit category.
• 1:55:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: Strong hit being Steve Smith punched him in the face.
• 1:56:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, so you had that, that 2005, oh, eight, let me see, I'm trying to think of, but like 2015 is like arguably, it's got to be the, it's got to me as the biggest one in 2015.
• 1:56:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, they come in 2014, Roman Hartford 2015 was the 25, my, you might be right.
• 1:56:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I, I felt like he was, a big, an added player in 2015 songs.
• 1:56:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:56:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: We got Jericho, Cotry, Roman Harper, peanut, Tilman, Kurt Coleman, those are all, oh, I think Ted, again, came back that year.
• 1:56:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: Thanks.
• 1:56:56
  [SPEAKER_09]: I know there's on the 2013 any web play for the Saints or the card.
• 1:57:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: No, we went to the cardinals.
• 1:57:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: 2015 has to be one of the most epic free agencies.
• 1:57:08
  [SPEAKER_09]: Now, I don't know how we rank this reagency because it hasn't paned out, right?
• 1:57:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, I mean, you have to think about this is.
• 1:57:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: I remember the regrade of the Panthers draft after 2015 and he had trade ball, um, I think it was trade ball, stin, he had been a binway career.
• 1:57:25
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like, I mean, all these players, they were like, oh, they should have taken them in the first round and then half these players didn't pay it now.
• 1:57:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know if this is going to be, I think if the Panthers go and do something, we are going to be putting this on a list of historically.
• 1:57:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: So let's just work through this though, who do you guys want to move on this list?
• 1:57:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I'll just help you guys out because I know the people are small.
• 1:57:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: So all right, so the elite, the top category is Jake the love and Steven Davis.
• 1:57:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: That's a super bowl year.
• 1:57:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: Mike wall was on that Super Bowl team.
• 1:58:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's the first in the second category.
• 1:58:02
  [SPEAKER_09]: Then you got Ken Lucas, Ted the engineer, peanut Tillman and Kurt.
• 1:58:09
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, no, Mike Mitchell.
• 1:58:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: I put Mike Mitchell up here.
• 1:58:12
  [SPEAKER_09]: Mike Mitchell was big on that 20 13 defense.
• 1:58:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: then there's Adam Thiel and Julius Peppers now Julius Peppers my favorite player hate putting him anywhere but the top but he came back in what 2019 or 2017 maybe Roman Harper
• 1:58:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: Rodney, uh, oh, who's this?
• 1:58:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: This is chosen, Robbie Anderson.
• 1:58:51
  [SPEAKER_09]: I put, uh, help me out with this guy's name again.
• 1:58:54
  [SPEAKER_09]: CK, I always forget it from Tampa.
• 1:58:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, Gerald McCoy.
• 1:59:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: Jericho, and then my most hated person in the world, Matt Colleel, maybe not most, but he's like he was, that's he got paid to pick up trash in the parking lot.
• 1:59:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: I got my old Sanders in Teddy Bridgewater.
• 1:59:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: Who do you want to move up or down in this list, guys?
• 1:59:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: Am I too hard on Teddy Bridgewater?
• 1:59:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: Am I too hard on Robbie Anderson, because he was a thousand-year-old receiver?
• 1:59:31
  [SPEAKER_08]: there's so the only reason I think miss is not the bad spot for him on that is because it's a miss with the amount of money we ended up paying him after he left in dead money.
• 1:59:46
  [SPEAKER_08]: like we let him go after one year and just continue to pay him for two more years after that.
• 1:59:52
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:59:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: And so we were able up on on prematurely.
• 1:59:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
• 1:59:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:59:55
  [SPEAKER_08]: Yeah.
• 1:59:56
  [SPEAKER_08]: Now, I mean, we all felt like he was not what we needed for the team to get over the top.
• 2:00:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: But I think that, you know, realizing what type of a hell we were in after we let him walk made it a little bit more, I think that makes that a little bit, I would put him
• 2:00:15
  [SPEAKER_08]: I feel like I would be more comfortable with him in the mix.
• 2:00:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do the same thing.
• 2:00:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do the same thing.
• 2:00:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look, I think he came in after the whole Cam Newton saga, and it was basically expected to be,
• 2:00:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the expectations were set to high for Teddy Bridgewater.
• 2:00:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He didn't, I don't think it's a miss.
• 2:00:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think, again, I'll agree with that.
• 2:00:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, maybe he wasn't set up to succeed.
• 2:00:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And maybe we didn't need to pay him that much money, but I'll go with him, I'm not a chosen Anderson fan.
• 2:00:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking him down, I'm taking him down.
• 2:00:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Look, he had one good year, and it was okay.
• 2:00:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what did he do for us, even during that time?
• 2:01:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was more of a cancer in the locker room, too.
• 2:01:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: A lot of issues with chosen.
• 2:01:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm moving him down, man.
• 2:01:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: I like first the comments.
• 2:01:13
  [SPEAKER_09]: We got to get into the comments.
• 2:01:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: The chat is always undefeated, right?
• 2:01:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is so thank you guys.
• 2:01:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: One is this Ricky Pro was a free agent acquisition in that that Super Bowl run.
• 2:01:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: It was a big time contributor and arguably got to put him up as an elite maybe because he was a coaching coaching addition too later on.
• 2:01:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: Wesley Walls right now we're going way back is was he a free agent.
• 2:01:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: I'm sure I know he was we've had him on the show he was playing in Green Bay Right he he played with Green Bay He caught a touchdown from four but that might have been after us.
• 2:01:53
  [SPEAKER_09]: I can't I think that was in the twilight of his career All right, so here's some names here is that As they put him up there, I got nervous.
• 2:02:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: I was like, did I leave these people off?
• 2:02:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: They said where is Greg Olson?
• 2:02:05
  [SPEAKER_09]: Greg Olson was a trade
• 2:02:08
  [SPEAKER_09]: Jared Allen was a trade now off season additions, but I did not think of them as free agent additions.
• 2:02:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: Mike Tolbert, some people want and I like this one.
• 2:02:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: Michael Orr.
• 2:02:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh yeah.
• 2:02:23
  [SPEAKER_09]: That was a giant one for that 2015 season.
• 2:02:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: So, right there, let's see if anybody else had, there we go.
• 2:02:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: So, look, as I guess the, how do you classify a great free agency?
• 2:02:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's really is what it produces the following year.
• 2:02:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yes, or maybe two years down the road.
• 2:02:44
  [SPEAKER_09]: I guess you can make a deep argument.
• 2:02:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: But if we look at these great additions, we're saying, oh, you made the playoffs, you did this.
• 2:02:55
  [SPEAKER_09]: That's what I kind of like is like Ken Lucas.
• 2:02:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, he played with like, he was such, he was, I would say, Ken Lucas was the only time we've gotten a big name.
• 2:03:09
  [SPEAKER_09]: Like that was the one.
• 2:03:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: He was coming out of Seattle.
• 2:03:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: He was like, oh, this guy's supposed to, and then he got punched in a face by Steve Smith.
• 2:03:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: And he was just ruined from the beginning.
• 2:03:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: He was pretty good though, but he was never the best on the team.
• 2:03:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: He's like, come in, the team's okay.
• 2:03:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, I like Don Terry Poe a lot.
• 2:03:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: I think Jeremiah McCoy was too busy.
• 2:03:30
  [SPEAKER_09]: It was too Twilight, but I thought it was a fun exercise, guys, to see.
• 2:03:35
  [SPEAKER_09]: And what this shows you too is that the Panthers really have some like basic ass free agents in their past.
• 2:03:45
  [SPEAKER_09]: I really
• 2:03:51
  [SPEAKER_08]: So yeah, the pre-agency has been, again, historically, the thing about every one of those free agents, none of them were in the prime of their career.
• 2:04:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Now, I think we got lucky.
• 2:04:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, it's Steven Davis and Twilight kind of, but got one more season out of him.
• 2:04:15
  [SPEAKER_09]: How about this?
• 2:04:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: Let me ask you guys this.
• 2:04:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: Is there a bigger miss?
• 2:04:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: Can you name a bigger free agent, Mr. Matt Cleo?
• 2:04:26
  [SPEAKER_09]: Five years, 55 million dollar deal coming off of injury.
• 2:04:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: I don't know, I'm to me, he is the, I hated this mug.
• 2:04:38
  [SPEAKER_09]: I tell you, I thought I hated Barnabelle.
• 2:04:42
  [SPEAKER_09]: He got paid in a number season.
• 2:04:43
  [SPEAKER_08]: That was the issue.
• 2:04:45
  [SPEAKER_08]: Like he only got paid because his brother was advocating for him and felt like,
• 2:04:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I'll throw one at you.
• 2:04:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll throw one at you.
• 2:04:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sean Gilbert.
• 2:04:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, yeah.
• 2:04:57
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, that is that's deep in the world.
• 2:04:59
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, he's a big, big giant name and big contract in biggest miss.
• 2:05:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah.
• 2:05:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I think they paid him like 50 million something like that, yeah, 47 years, $47 million.
• 2:05:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: And that was like in the 90s.
• 2:05:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that was a 98.
• 2:05:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: So that's a big swing in a miss.
• 2:05:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: Oh, somebody said Sean give it was a trade.
• 2:05:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, that says, um, for just seven years.
• 2:05:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: Either way, right?
• 2:05:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: I mean, we, but we're going way deep in the well to try to find somebody that can be worse than Matt Colleel.
• 2:05:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm reaching it.
• 2:05:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: I have your work.
• 2:05:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: We are pushing Jim and I to the limits here.
• 2:05:43
  [SPEAKER_09]: All right, guys.
• 2:05:45
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• 2:05:46
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• 2:05:47
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• 2:05:48
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• 2:05:49
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• 2:05:50
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• 2:06:34
  [SPEAKER_09]: Guys, we got one final segment to close out the show.
• 2:06:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's our O-Maj.
• 2:06:39
  [SPEAKER_09]: to Steve Smith, and let me see here, Cody.
• 2:06:45
  [SPEAKER_09]: Again, once again, I miss you.
• 2:06:58
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's our homage to Steve Smith where we tell someone to ice up tough enough to get it together.
• 2:07:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: This is where we can step inside or outside the bounds of football and just tell someone to tough enough and get in line or celebrate something or you can do whatever you want.
• 2:07:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's the ice up pick.
• 2:07:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: CK, I hope you got something for me.
• 2:07:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: Um, do you have something that you wanted to throw up before I need to think I mean I had something and then like as I'm trying to find the video of like the intro music and thinking about Introlling the segment like my brain just went what am I gonna do I'll look I'll throw out something I Think that
• 2:07:44
  [SPEAKER_08]: we all can see the world kind of where it's at right now.
• 2:07:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: And I am, I wanna ice up the people who, so, and I don't know if I talked about this part, but I think that we talk about Trump to arrangement syndrome, but it's also,
• 2:08:03
  [SPEAKER_08]: Trump's arrangement syndrome with anybody who criticizes anything that our current administration does.
• 2:08:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: Even if they are fans of the majority of what he has accomplished in office, one criticism is met with the most ridiculous response from people that have no ability to see outside of the bounds of their political ideologies.
• 2:08:33
  [SPEAKER_08]: You know, when you see people that a lot of these conservative podcasters, they're like at each other's throat right now because somebody doesn't agree with us invading a ran or attacking a ran or what have you.
• 2:08:49
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm icing up people who have no ability to see past what one person on one side of the aisle that you want to follow is doing and not being able to accept any level of criticism.
• 2:09:01
  [SPEAKER_08]: and accepting that maybe there were better ways we could have handled specific things.
• 2:09:06
  [SPEAKER_08]: A lot of the stuff I agree that's happened should have happened and I'm happy with some of the stuff that's taking place.
• 2:09:12
  [SPEAKER_08]: But I think that creating another war in the Middle East was certainly not something I had had on my list of things I were hoping that I was hoping that we were going to be doing.
• 2:09:23
  [SPEAKER_08]: So I'm icing up those people who I can't see, you know, reason when somebody who has been, you know, who considers themselves maybe a little right of the line offers a little criticism to what's going on in the current environment.
• 2:09:40
  [SPEAKER_09]: There's so much irony in the fact that I'm a teach history for living and higher education and like I at one point in my life felt very political and I actually the irony of this is I started this podcast so I stopped arguing about politics with people.
• 2:10:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I was just like, oh, I can say I hate you because you're a Saints man, but I still like you as a person, I mean, I could didn't, I didn't have to unfriend you in all of this.
• 2:10:10
  [SPEAKER_09]: Yeah, I have really removed myself from the news, but I listen to the news when I take a shower and say, Alexa, play the news, right?
• 2:10:17
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I just like, that's the only time I engaged with the news.
• 2:10:20
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I did hear that like the counterterrorism guy was like, resign.
• 2:10:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: is wild.
• 2:10:32
  [SPEAKER_09]: It's just wild that people like as like such big geopolitical things are just decided by fucking morons.
• 2:10:41
  [SPEAKER_09]: My eye set pick actually goes to productivity.
• 2:10:46
  [SPEAKER_09]: Ooh, I know, this is bananas.
• 2:10:50
  [SPEAKER_09]: I hate every time I'm super productive, which I try to be, like, I try to work hard, all right, my job and my life and my family, and everything, like, I'm bustin' as, I feel, like, a lot.
• 2:11:01
  [SPEAKER_09]: But when I bust as especially, right, like I'm like, oh, man, I was so productive.
• 2:11:07
  [SPEAKER_09]: Then I like kind of backtrack the next day and I'm like, oh, like, it's like a counter swing of like, yeah, lack of productivity.
• 2:11:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: And then I feel this immense guilt for lack of productivity.
• 2:11:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: And I have been in this cycle of zool-off need where like, I just feel guilty all the time.
• 2:11:31
  [SPEAKER_09]: Maybe that's the Catholicism in me or something but like every time I'm productive I feel so proud that overreward myself and then I'm so mad at myself for those moments that I Fleet that productivity is fleeting.
• 2:11:45
  [SPEAKER_09]: So that's my isopic tonight.
• 2:11:47
  [SPEAKER_09]: D. K. I know we put you on the spot here Is there anybody now?
• 2:11:52
  [SPEAKER_09]: Look, I've I stepped a 15-year-old kid in Oklahoma never met before so like I mean There are no rules to this other than
• 2:12:00
  [SPEAKER_09]: I guess you're on the hook, but like you can ice yourself, I've ice myself up, uh, I've ice my family up, I've ice the panthers up, you're free for all here.
• 2:12:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: Do you have anybody that you would like to throw, or you can even celebrate somebody if you want?
• 2:12:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: No, I'll throw you one.
• 2:12:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's, uh, I mean, you look, I work a job to where I'm required to, um, teach and train people how to do things, right?
• 2:12:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And that's my department.
• 2:12:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: We do it.
• 2:12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I want to ice up the rest of my entire department.
• 2:12:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the reason is, you know, I love them all the death.
• 2:12:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: But when I come in and I have to go back behind people and do things.
• 2:12:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's frustrating.
• 2:12:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's frustrating.
• 2:12:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Again, love them to death.
• 2:12:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: But man, like just shut up and do it.
• 2:12:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do what you need to do and don't make people have to come behind you and do it again.
• 2:12:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: If you're going to do it the first time do it right, so that's simple.
• 2:13:03
  [SPEAKER_09]: I saw D.K.
• 2:13:04
  [SPEAKER_09]: with the inaugural Dan Morgan, I sent up Scott Fitterer right there.
• 2:13:11
  [SPEAKER_09]: So now I got to clean up your mess.
• 2:13:14
  [SPEAKER_09]: Thank you for your time and attention.
• 2:13:16
  [SPEAKER_09]: This has been the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 2:13:18
  [SPEAKER_09]: That's CK.
• 2:13:19
  [SPEAKER_09]: That's TK.
• 2:13:21
  [SPEAKER_09]: My name's Tony Don.
• 2:13:22
  [SPEAKER_09]: We're going to be back here on Tuesday night, man.
• 2:13:24
  [SPEAKER_09]: You guys know the number, know where you're at.
• 2:13:27
  [SPEAKER_09]: You see those shorts.
• 2:13:28
  [SPEAKER_09]: You see whatever it is.
• 2:13:29
  [SPEAKER_09]: You hit share and you just be part of the conversation.
• 2:13:34
  [SPEAKER_09]: Guys, it was great hanging out.
• 2:13:37
  [SPEAKER_09]: We're done.