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INTERVIEW: Laura Coates Talks American Legal System, Diddy Trial, Tory Lanez, 'Jeopardy!' Hosting Snub +More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Every day of click your ass up the breakfast club
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  Speaker 1: finish for y'all done more than everybody.
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  Speaker 2: We are a breakfast club.
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  Speaker 3: Long the Roses here as well, And we got a
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  Speaker 3: special guest in the building.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, indeed we have Laura Coats.
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  Speaker 4: Welcome, Hey, you happy to be here, y'all.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome, welcome, welcome you wake up Laura at midnight?
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  Speaker 5: Right, I go out midnight, I go to bed probably
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  Speaker 5: by two am.
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  Speaker 4: I'm by six.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, nice, I have I have babies. I call them
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  Speaker 5: baby because that's why I have baby. Wait, so it's
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  Speaker 5: eleven and twelve year olds. Therefore I'm up with them,
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  Speaker 5: getting them ready or trying to or you know, piddling
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  Speaker 5: like an old person trying to figure out how to
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  Speaker 5: start my day.
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  Speaker 4: But I can't sleep long any longer. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: We just ended, because is it?
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  Speaker 6: Because your brain is always wired to be a part
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  Speaker 6: of like the news cycle.
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  Speaker 5: I'm constantly thinking, Like last night, I think I got
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  Speaker 5: an hour and a half asleep because my mind could not.
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  Speaker 7: You couldn't.
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  Speaker 5: You can't wait come down because you for me, I'm
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  Speaker 5: always navigating minefields.
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  Speaker 4: You all know how to is.
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  Speaker 5: And so when you're constantly sort of being your own champion,
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  Speaker 5: being a businesswoman navigating mine fields.
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  Speaker 4: Then I'll be trying to educate and inform. Your mind can't.
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  Speaker 5: Shut off very well, and so I'm always battling with
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  Speaker 5: how to do my go to bed routine. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I'll do like the bath, I'll watch some Golden Girls,
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  Speaker 5: but it still takes some time.
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  Speaker 2: You take naps at least I do.
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  Speaker 5: Oh my god, if I if you talk me right now,
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  Speaker 5: you have an hour, I'd be knocked out right now.
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  Speaker 4: But I can do that quick.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, yes, I have not seen one of those
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  Speaker 5: safety things on the plane in like years.
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  Speaker 1: Damn.
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  Speaker 5: You're like, I haven't had a pretzeul. No sprite with
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  Speaker 5: me without ice doesn't matter. I just I can't have it.
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  Speaker 4: I can't help it.
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  Speaker 8: I do how you turn it off and all with
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  Speaker 8: your kids though, because like sometimes they just want mom.
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  Speaker 9: That's just about to be whatever.
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  Speaker 5: My kids don't care at all about the work they
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  Speaker 5: for me. I'm very intentional because look, I I want
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to be a mom.
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  Speaker 4: I really wanted to be a mother, and I wanted.
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  Speaker 5: To be their mother in particular, and so I have
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  Speaker 5: to be present and really, if you don't sort of
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  Speaker 5: leave work. When I'm not working, my mind might be racing,
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  Speaker 5: but I'm with my babies or with my man.
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  Speaker 4: That's it.
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  Speaker 5: Like I'm with them. That's all there is to it.
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  Speaker 5: And so they try to come with me a lot though.
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  Speaker 5: That's why I try to incorporate. My daughter comes every
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  Speaker 5: Friday night to the show, and because my producer, she's eleven,
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  Speaker 5: she's tall than me. Now, my son, he plays basketball,
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  Speaker 5: and so he's always I'm always trying to be with
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  Speaker 5: him when he's on the three and a half.
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  Speaker 9: I was.
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  Speaker 4: My nickname as a kid was baby Huey.
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  Speaker 5: I'm the.
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  Speaker 4: Baby. So I had to have.
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  Speaker 5: A to counteract that because my mom is four eleven,
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  Speaker 5: my dad's five four, and they're like, how.
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  Speaker 4: Do you get so big? I'm like, I'm five three
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  Speaker 4: and a half. But that half.
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  Speaker 1: Half used to be a federal prosecutor.
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  Speaker 4: I did.
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  Speaker 6: I want to go back from the beginning. You went
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  Speaker 6: to college for law clearly, yeah, okay, what's cool.
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  Speaker 5: I went to Princeton undergrad. I'm from Minnesota. I went
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  Speaker 5: back to Minnesota for law school. I didn't think I
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  Speaker 5: was going to do be a prosecutor. Honestly, I thought
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  Speaker 5: that I was going to go into the law, and
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  Speaker 5: I thought, you know, at the time, you think, oh,
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  Speaker 5: corporate law, and that's some kind of nebulous.
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  Speaker 4: Term or whatever that means.
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  Speaker 5: But really I knew I was going to become in
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  Speaker 5: criminal law and probably a prosecutor. When the whole Kemba
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  Speaker 5: Smith story came out back and along it was like
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  Speaker 5: the nineties Emerge magazine, remember that.
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  Speaker 4: And she was a young black woman.
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  Speaker 5: From Virginia who had met the wrong man, had gotten
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  Speaker 5: accused and being a drug mule, right right.
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  Speaker 4: And my mom brought home the magazine. There's three of us.
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  Speaker 5: She's like, girls, I want you to read this as
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  Speaker 5: a cautionary tale. And I think what she wanted as
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  Speaker 5: a mom was for me to see like the idea
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  Speaker 5: of what type of man to get involved.
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  Speaker 3: With the story of what happened the time she got
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  Speaker 3: some people understand. I was there, so I know, were
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  Speaker 3: you wow?
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  Speaker 4: So spirit there you go. Damn Look I'm forty five.
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  Speaker 7: You know how old she is.
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  Speaker 5: But you know they've picking the I TA the Amazon thing.
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  Speaker 5: So I was here, I saw so I understand. Well,
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  Speaker 5: Kemba So she was a college girl. The world was
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  Speaker 5: her oyster. Long story short, she meets a man who
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  Speaker 5: is manipulative and convinces her to get involved in crime.
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  Speaker 4: She doesn't think she's getting involved.
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  Speaker 5: I think she's just kind of carrying something for someone
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  Speaker 5: and doing what she thinks she's supposed to be doing.
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  Speaker 4: But it wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: And while he got sort of a slap on the wrist,
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  Speaker 5: she got the book thrown at her. She became the
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  Speaker 5: example of you know what goes wrong in this sort
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  Speaker 5: of crazy, mischievous black woman coming into this town, and
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  Speaker 5: she deserves everything she gets.
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  Speaker 1: What was the man.
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  Speaker 2: Commonwealth kind of make up their rules, laws and regulations.
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  Speaker 1: Risk for him? How the time to need you?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think he got much time at all. I
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  Speaker 5: think he got like I mean, she was in there
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  Speaker 5: for years. And the sad thing was, of course, you know,
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  Speaker 5: as black women, as black people, as young women, as
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  Speaker 5: young people, we can't make a mistake. You know, you
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  Speaker 5: don't get the idea of I understand I see myself
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  Speaker 5: and you. Therefore, let me try to get you on
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  Speaker 5: the straight and narrow yet again and give you a
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  Speaker 5: chance again at life. So when my mom sent the
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  Speaker 5: article to us and showed us her, I think role
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  Speaker 5: for us was listen this is the tale of what
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  Speaker 5: not to do in terms of the type people you
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  Speaker 5: associate yourself with. But my take on it was this
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  Speaker 5: was a prosecutorial error. This was somebody who refused to
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  Speaker 5: see themselves in another human being. And therefore this young
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  Speaker 5: woman was going to serve life, or not life, but
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  Speaker 5: serve her life at that time with that burden on
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  Speaker 5: her back. And so when I realized in law school
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  Speaker 5: what I wanted to do, I had her in mind.
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  Speaker 5: I've met her since and talked to her about this,
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  Speaker 5: and we've shared some tears about what it's like to
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  Speaker 5: really be a prosecutor, because you really you have this responsibility.
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  Speaker 4: It's overwhelming. You're human, you're flawed.
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  Speaker 5: There's no resources that are going to be able to
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  Speaker 5: provide for all that you have to do. And yet
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  Speaker 5: you have someone's life in your hand, their entire life,
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  Speaker 5: not just their life, but people in the court who
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  Speaker 5: were their kids who were there, their loved.
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  Speaker 4: Ones, their parents who were there.
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  Speaker 5: And it was a time was it wore on me,
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  Speaker 5: even though I thought what I was doing and I
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  Speaker 5: still believe was the right thing.
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  Speaker 3: Wow, she got twenty four years, she was let out,
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  Speaker 3: an she was let out. She only get six, but
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  Speaker 3: she got twenty four years.
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  Speaker 6: So as a form of federal prosecutor, how do you
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  Speaker 6: balance explaining the law for everyday viewers without losing the complexity.
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  Speaker 1: Of what law is.
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  Speaker 5: I think you don't understand something unless you can explain
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  Speaker 5: to a child, right.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there's a phrase.
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  Speaker 5: And when I was in trials, I did a lot
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  Speaker 5: of trials, it was never use.
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  Speaker 4: A twenty dollars word when a quarter word will do.
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  Speaker 5: Right. You want to talk to people and meet them
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  Speaker 5: where they are, not because they know less intellectually, because
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  Speaker 5: or they're not as smart, but because you and I
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  Speaker 5: would never sit here and say the door was a jar.
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  Speaker 4: Don't open like I gave chase.
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  Speaker 5: Do you mean you ran somewhere? Because you want people
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  Speaker 5: to understand what's happening. And I think there's an elitism
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  Speaker 5: with vocabulary where people want to show that they're smart,
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  Speaker 5: to distance themselves from you, to make sure you see
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  Speaker 5: them above you and that they can no longer participate
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  Speaker 5: in the system. And the longer people feel like, well
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  Speaker 5: I don't get it, so therefore I hands off their reflexes.
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  Speaker 4: Well I don't care about that. It's rigged. It's a
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  Speaker 4: whole game of the system. That was the point.
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  Speaker 5: They want people to not participate, They want people not
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  Speaker 5: to understand, and we have an elitism about the law
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  Speaker 5: that we see right now in real terms are heard
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  Speaker 5: the nation because the more people are like politics, I
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  Speaker 5: don't get that, I don't get that, what's passekoma, what
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  Speaker 5: I don't get it? Never mind whatever, then you don't
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  Speaker 5: check in and you're not actually maintaining the system, and
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  Speaker 5: you become a part of your own demise. And so
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  Speaker 5: for me, it was easy to make sure that Look,
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  Speaker 5: if I want to understand something, I have to really
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  Speaker 5: distill it down so that I can explain it in
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  Speaker 5: a two minute elevator in a thirty second clip down
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  Speaker 5: the street wherever I am to my kids because they're
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  Speaker 5: also who's watching me? And when I was during the
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  Speaker 5: whole COVID during the pandemic, I had a studio on
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  Speaker 5: my home and I remember I was covering the George
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  Speaker 5: Floyd murder trial, which I'm clear not the George Floyd trial,
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  Speaker 5: that's Derek Chauvin trial, the George Floyd murder trial, and
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  Speaker 5: my kids were on the floor literally because it was homeschool.
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  Speaker 5: Don't get me a starting They're sitting there watching me
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  Speaker 5: explain something, and the why.
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  Speaker 4: The why was always the hardest question.
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  Speaker 5: Like I could explain the Constitution, I can recite the amendments,
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  Speaker 5: I can explain the different case law. But the hardest
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  Speaker 5: question to answer, especially when you have your babies looking
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  Speaker 5: at you.
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  Speaker 4: Why.
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  Speaker 1: You know who told me that? Larry King?
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  Speaker 4: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Larry King said God, Larry King said, he said Charlamagne.
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  Speaker 6: The toughest question you can ask a person is why why?
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  Speaker 6: Because people really don't ever think about the why. Usually
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  Speaker 6: they have their talking points, or they have their things
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  Speaker 6: that they've been taught, but they've never actually thought about
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  Speaker 6: the why of something.
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  Speaker 5: And it makes you think ahead in the future and
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  Speaker 5: explain the past simultaneously, because the why requires you explain
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  Speaker 5: the way it was, how you've let it be, and
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  Speaker 5: also how you could change it. Because in that one
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  Speaker 5: three letter word you're being challenged. It's almost like the
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  Speaker 5: question is why did you let that happen? Or why
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  Speaker 5: is it still that way? Or why haven't we changed it?
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  Speaker 5: You have to think about all those things. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: one of things I love my job what I'm doing
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  Speaker 5: is because for me, I would have talked anyway. I
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  Speaker 5: would have tried to explain anyway. I have a real
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  Speaker 5: desire to democratize information because I can't stand elitism and
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  Speaker 5: I can't stand people feeling like they don't have a
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  Speaker 5: voice because someone took it away.
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  Speaker 4: But that why question, man?
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  Speaker 5: When it comes to my kids, like my son the
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  Speaker 5: other day asked me a question about why the National
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  Speaker 5: Guard was there?
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  Speaker 4: You were driving by? Why and why there? I thought
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  Speaker 4: this is going to take a lot to unload.
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  Speaker 5: But you know, I try not to shy away from
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  Speaker 5: my kids, and they ask a question because when they're
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  Speaker 5: asking it, they're ready to receive the information. Even though sometimes,
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  Speaker 5: you know, it breaks my heart. I think of my
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  Speaker 5: kid's childhood, whether this is right or wrong. You guys,
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  Speaker 5: I think of it like a museum, right, and there
• 10:45
  Speaker 5: are museum floors and wings, and I'm navigating one area.
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, it's time to go to this wing,
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  Speaker 5: and all of a sudden something happens and I'm on
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  Speaker 5: the third floor trying to explain the exhibit in front
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  Speaker 5: of me, trying to make sure they realize what to
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  Speaker 5: do or what not to do. And I'm not always
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  Speaker 5: prepared in those moments, and so I just try to
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  Speaker 5: be very confessional about what I do and do not
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  Speaker 5: know and try to find answers.
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  Speaker 1: So, what is the.
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  Speaker 6: National Guard, because I'm sure it is a letter of
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  Speaker 6: a law, letter of a law, letter of the law.
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  Speaker 1: Answers. Yeah, but what's.
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  Speaker 5: The Well, the why they're saying they're there is because
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  Speaker 5: of the crime rate in DC and the only way
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  Speaker 5: they believe they can change it is to have the
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  Speaker 5: presence of the National Guard to try to deter crime
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  Speaker 5: or to.
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  Speaker 4: Supplement what the cops are doing.
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  Speaker 5: What the other reason is legally is that they have
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  Speaker 5: the ability to do so.
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  Speaker 4: In Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 5: It's not a it's not a state, it's not a territory.
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  Speaker 5: And the President of the United has has.
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  Speaker 4: A lot, a lot, a lot of power there.
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  Speaker 5: So much so that other governors and other hitcher think
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  Speaker 5: of themselves, well, how can we stop it from mapping
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  Speaker 5: our own states? But the real reality is he has
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  Speaker 5: power to do so for a certain amount of time
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  Speaker 5: thirty days. If there is an emergency situation, they can
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  Speaker 5: do it. He wants to delay it or prolong it
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  Speaker 5: longer than that. But the reason they're having it in
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  Speaker 5: reality is because politically it is advantageous to show that
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  Speaker 5: you are tough on crime, and Democrats have a very
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  Speaker 5: difficult road ahead trying to, on the one hand, explain
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  Speaker 5: the problems of a police state and the presence of
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  Speaker 5: the National Guard. I'll our civil rights there are with
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  Speaker 5: people coming into your towns and also using data to
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  Speaker 5: say no, no, I don't know how you feel, but
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  Speaker 5: here's a number.
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  Speaker 4: Does this number make you feel better? Here's a number, right,
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  Speaker 4: this is better, and they're trying to capitalize on that
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  Speaker 4: as Republicans.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to ask, you know, do you think
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  Speaker 3: the judicial system could be fair with everything going on
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  Speaker 3: in the world with social media or television? Is the
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  Speaker 3: way it is because you know, you look at some
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  Speaker 3: of these cases and a lot of times people get
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  Speaker 3: wrong information misinformation, and it's difficult to take that out
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  Speaker 3: of your mind if you're a juror, because you already see.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the things that's happened. So could it possibly
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  Speaker 2: be fair anymore?
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  Speaker 5: The bate of my existence and trial with law and order,
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  Speaker 5: My damn dn't sound everything else right?
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  Speaker 4: Why?
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  Speaker 5: Because people have an expectation about the ability to meet
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  Speaker 5: your burden approof number one. Right, every crime you think
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  Speaker 5: has a video, a DNA sample, you can have everything
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  Speaker 5: solved in forty six minutes with commercial breaks and Sam
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  Speaker 5: Waterson is ready to go. That hurts the ability a
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  Speaker 5: real and reality based case. You don't have all that
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  Speaker 5: information all the time, so that's hard to be able
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  Speaker 5: to meet your burden approof. On the other hand, it
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  Speaker 5: helps to make it a little bit more fair if
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  Speaker 5: we have access to technology and you don't use it,
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  Speaker 5: or that you have the cameras and you didn't find it,
• 13:35
  Speaker 5: or you had a new bout of form that many
• 13:38
  Speaker 5: people who are armchair lawyers know about now and say,
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  Speaker 5: shouldn't there be this form from this FBI agent because
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  Speaker 5: I saw this in such and such and such and such.
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  Speaker 5: An answer is yes, it probably shouldn't have been. Now
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  Speaker 5: you have a more fair system in that way. But
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  Speaker 5: also you have people who are getting misinformation, and people
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  Speaker 5: have this tendency if it's in writing, it must be true.
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  Speaker 4: That's why scam artists are so successful.
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  Speaker 5: Right, I have authoritative voice, I'm telling you this, I'm
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  Speaker 5: asking a question, and therefore they think this must be
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  Speaker 5: real and people are getting scammed in real time on misinformation.
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  Speaker 5: But then they refuse to let their ego down to say,
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  Speaker 5: you know, I could be mistaken. I could be wrong,
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  Speaker 5: but it goes back to mistrust. You get misinformed if
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  Speaker 5: you don't trust the source. We kill the messenger every
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  Speaker 5: single day because the messenger well has been inaccurate at times.
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  Speaker 5: But in a twenty four or seven news cycle like
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  Speaker 5: I'm in, you know, sometimes you are informing. But that's
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  Speaker 5: just part of the story. It's not the wrong story.
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  Speaker 5: It's the beginning of this story.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 5: You look at say a trial, for example, if you
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  Speaker 5: judge an entire trial by the charge or the arrest,
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  Speaker 5: you never get to the fairness part of it. You
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  Speaker 5: just say, oh, they got them. They might they wouldn't
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  Speaker 5: have stopped them, they didn't have something. But there's so
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  Speaker 5: many things that go into that, whether it's was it
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  Speaker 5: a re the will stop?
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  Speaker 4: Did they have problem cause? Was it racial profiling?
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  Speaker 5: Do they have evidence? Is it the right person? Do
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  Speaker 5: they have the right people to testify let alone? Did
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  Speaker 5: they actually have the burden of proof met So fairness
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  Speaker 5: is so flexible, unfairly and unreasonably, but really it's in
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  Speaker 5: the eye of the beholder. But in a way, that's
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  Speaker 5: kind of how the jury of our peers envisioned it.
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  Speaker 5: Because I want your take I want your take. I
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  Speaker 5: want your take, I want your take, and hopefully the
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  Speaker 5: result is fairness.
• 15:35
  Speaker 8: I was going to ask, when you look at Chris
• 15:37
  Speaker 8: like you did a lot of coverage on a Diddy trial.
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so did you this? Yeah?
• 15:41
  Speaker 9: Thanks for having me. But from the beginning right you were.
• 15:44
  Speaker 8: There were times where you did make predictions or just
• 15:47
  Speaker 8: like follow the story as it went. Was there any
• 15:49
  Speaker 8: time where you flat out were like, this is ridiculous,
• 15:52
  Speaker 8: they're overcharging him, and you wanted to say that but couldn't.
• 15:55
  Speaker 4: I did say it, and I could. But you're right
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: to question the ability to.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: Be as vocal and as forthright put me in an
• 16:03
  Speaker 5: anchor position right when I was just being a contributor.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: I had a different role, right because then I could
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: be a little bit more flexible. I'm still very honest
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: and candid, but I have to moderate a conversation where
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: I can't answer every question that I'm asking other people.
• 16:18
  Speaker 5: So sometimes I agree with the person who's answering it,
• 16:21
  Speaker 5: I don't agree with the person's answering.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: I try to say that.
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: But one thing that was really bothering me about that
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: trial in particular is and you can set aside frankly
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: all the backstory of violence, and that's hard to even
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: say because there's a huge backstory of violence there.
• 16:35
  Speaker 9: Then y'all broke the video they brought We broke the video, but.
• 16:38
  Speaker 4: They didn't charge that.
• 16:39
  Speaker 5: And I think what happened in that case is it's
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: that prostitual discretion that is very difficult to navigate. On
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: the one hand, just because you can do something, should you,
• 16:52
  Speaker 5: And the reason you have to balance that test is
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: because everything one government prosecutor says binds the next one.
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: So you can imagine the cases you go in and
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: you even know that somebody before you came in and
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: argues them to the court, But now whatever that judge
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: heard is now assigned to you. I walked into courts
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: before and done at fianceing and argued my case. As
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: you said, well, yeah, but the government hasn't always take
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: that that's the wrong position. They just said that twenty
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: minutes ago. You're like, well, who said that?
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: The government?
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: Which prosecutor the government, and so you're tied to that.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: So one of the issues of having that case is
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: that is that the new standard to bring RICO for
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: that type of case. Were there other matters to bring
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: or other cases to bring other charges, and should we
• 17:38
  Speaker 5: have caught it much sooner? Why was the original case brought,
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: why were the violence cases not brought sooner?
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: And what messages that.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Send in the long run to victims that you try
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: to bring in and tell them because it's a grind.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I want you to.
• 17:51
  Speaker 5: Testify, it's it's worth it. Please you're arguing, and not
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: to fear yourself. But the next person down the line
• 17:56
  Speaker 5: doesn't want to be victimized. You try to convince that
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: person to come forward. Well, now you wonder if a
• 18:02
  Speaker 5: very public trial and the person comes forward and tells
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: the most intimate, horrific details of their life, how much
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: harder is it now for the prospert to come back
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: and say, no, no, forget what you saw. You should
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: still go forward because it will still matter theoretically in
• 18:20
  Speaker 5: the end. She's a harder case. And so you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: we don't go up there and say you are a
• 18:25
  Speaker 5: private attorney.
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: I've been a private attorney before.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: As a prosecutor, you represent the state, or the jurisdiction
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: or the country. And so even if that person doesn't
• 18:35
  Speaker 5: want to go forward, there's a callousness you have to
• 18:37
  Speaker 5: have that says, well, I'm not here for you. I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 5: thinking about the next person who does not want it
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: to be them.
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: But now it makes it harder.
• 18:46
  Speaker 8: But I was going to ask you were on a
• 18:48
  Speaker 8: you were an assistant US attorney, this attorney when you
• 18:52
  Speaker 8: saw that, because remember they made a big deal about
• 18:54
  Speaker 8: it being all white women that were prosecuting, did you
• 18:56
  Speaker 8: feel like race played a card.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: I think that had a very big part in the
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: assessment of this trial and the court of public opinion,
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: because people thought, why this particular person is it because
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: this is a black man who has achieved a certain
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: level of income.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: It is the.
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: Hearkening back to the high falutin negro syndrome that they
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: would try to put on the man act use in
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: terms of how that was looked at. Remember that was
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: the case involving you know, Jack Johnson, who was a
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: boxer who was convicted of it for had the audacity
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: to date a white woman who happened to also be
• 19:34
  Speaker 5: a prostitute one time and married somebody else as well.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: So I wonder if that was a part of how.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: People perceived it.
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: But there is always going to be with the messenger
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: for a jury, how condescending you might appear, how judgmental.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: You might come across.
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: And there were certainly elements where I found myself wondering,
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: watching the jury and watching the presentation of evidence, how
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: did that read? For example, when someone would say something
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: like he took his right as an example, yes, that
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: came to mind, but you know, or that might be
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: a comment and the person was to thinking, well, who
• 20:10
  Speaker 5: would ever do that? That's just and just very sort
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: of disgusted by it. Now you could be disgusted by it.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: Maybe it's your thing as well. The problem is, and
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: this jury they weren't asked that question. I don't know
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: in this jurney of twelve or how many people, how
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: many of you might get off on that, or how
• 20:25
  Speaker 5: many of you might feel as though, well, you shouldn't
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: be in my bedroom, so don't judge that.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Why are we here about that?
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: And so you always run the risk of coming across
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: as you know, whether actually as a black prosecutor or
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: not as a Karen as somebody who is who knows
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: better than you is going to elevate it to the authorities,
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: and you have.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: To balance that.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: They were good prosecutors though, But I think just the
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: image of and how it was portrayed, especially outside of
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: the courtroom and the court of public opinion. You cannot
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: separate race and power and sex and rock and roll.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: In that instance, you think they got it right the jury,
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: you know, based on the presentation of evidence.
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: There was no other result.
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: And I was surprised that so many people who weren't
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: inside the courtner every day and weren't watching it and
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: maybe we're reading Transcift thought there's no way he can't
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: be con Rico, and I thought, well, based on what's
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: been presented, you are making people connect so many.
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: Dots and Rico's complex.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: You guys, right, it's not just your average you know,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: walk by someone's bar and say, it's a shame. You know,
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: you have some nice windows here, someone's gonna blow them
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: unless you pay this amount of money and pay this
• 21:43
  Speaker 5: person like a mob boss hair or mob boss whatever.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: It's much more complicated. You got to bridge all these gaps.
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: And when they didn't call people like the right hand
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: men and women of Ditty, I wondered if the jurors thought, well, I've.
• 21:56
  Speaker 4: Heard a lot about these people. Why have I not
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: seeing any of them?
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: Why is that? And the thing is you could technically
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: one person for conspiracy is enough.
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: But again back to your question about how fairness operates
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: and how the law. People have so many questions about
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: how can that be and is that fair?
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: And in a way we.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: All become through the thirteenth juror and we have our
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: minds going all right in the grand scheme of things.
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Why are you so focused on this? Why this right
• 22:30
  Speaker 4: or wrong? That's their question.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Well, let me ask one other question.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: You know, so what he was charged with, right, do
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: you think he should have got a bond or do
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: you think that he should still be sitting there now?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Because when they did research, they said anybody with this
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: type of charge usually gets slap on the risk, community
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: service weekend in jail. But it seems like faird charges.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I ain't heard no community service from the FED.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Or for prostitution.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: You mean to leave pay until your head's in October? Right,
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: So normally, if it's a very violent crime, you weretil
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: your sentence because the expectation is you're going to be sentenced,
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: so why not just don't get used to being out.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: But it wasn't, and that's important to the point you raised,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: because what the the conviction was not a crime of violence.
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: It didn't even require coercion like say, sex trafficking did.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: But because the lawyers argued as a given, yeah, he
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: was violent, you didn't charge him with that. The judge said, well,
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: this could qualify under the umbrella of the types of
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: matters that are violent by your own admission.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: Counsel, even though he wasn't charged.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Even though he wasn't charged that now. That why this
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: is why there's a fairness issue here is because they
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: tell the jury at the beginning the attorney's arguments and
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: say they're they're not evidence. You cannot consider what the
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: attorney says, right, but the judge did. The judge considered
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: like he said, well, he's yes, he's he was violent. Yes,
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: that happened in the hotel lobby or the hotel hallway.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: That absolutely happened. But he can he can actually look
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: at those things to hold the person longer, although I
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: do wonder if in holding him now it makes the
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: judge appear that much more objectively harsh. Therefore, when he sentences,
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: if it's less than what the prosecution wants, you can't
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: accuse him of going light and soft on diddy, Right, what.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna get as a former prosecute, I.
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: Would be surprised if it went beyond two or three years,
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: with one year being credited to him time his time
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: already in. The reason for that is although you have
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: ten years per charge, normally you wouldn't run those consecutively
• 24:35
  Speaker 5: like where that's you know, back to back up to twenty.
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: Because the nature of the crime and because he's a
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: first time commits a defender in this context, sentence and
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: guidelines have kind of a chart that says, you know,
• 24:46
  Speaker 5: this crime gives you this point, this other, this point,
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: and now I have a little category. Now you're over here,
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: and you're in this range. The judge can still say
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: less or more, but it would be in line with
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: other cases if it was in the lower end. The prosecution, though,
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: they want their bone and their dogs about it, because
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: they have to be for the reasons, are going forward
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: and thinking we put these resources in. We feel that
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: he's violent and that there should have been longer and more.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: They're gonna go hard.
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: But with the.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Judge I think will be in his right judicial mind
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: if he's in the same range that Diddy has based
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: on nothing a prior offender.
• 25:24
  Speaker 10: Wow, I'm glad I don't get in trouble no more.
• 25:26
  Speaker 10: I don't understand none of y'all talking about. Really, I'm
• 25:29
  Speaker 10: telling you, well, yeah, you see, ain't none of y'allways,
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: But y'all understand is this?
• 25:35
  Speaker 7: I'm just being there like all right? So does that
• 25:37
  Speaker 7: mean I'm going to jail?
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Not like you know what I mean?
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: Like I have no Yeah, And and then the thing
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: is right up here.
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: Lauren reports on a lot of these type of cases, right,
• 25:45
  Speaker 10: And I understand, Yeah, she does a great job. I
• 25:48
  Speaker 10: understand a little bit when she breaks the own things.
• 25:51
  Speaker 10: I understand a lot more of it.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 25:53
  Speaker 7: But have you been following the Tory Lanez case? Right?
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: I have?
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: Okay, So Lauren just reported something basically like he's asking
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: for his team. It's asking for evidence to be re
• 26:07
  Speaker 10: invented and resubmitted.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 26:09
  Speaker 10: Do you feel like, just with your expertise, right, that
• 26:13
  Speaker 10: is smart or could it be something there? Or is
• 26:16
  Speaker 10: they already just beating a dead horse at this point?
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: No, you have to exhaust every avenue you possibly can.
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: And even though people think that the conviction is the
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: end of the story until you get home, really you're
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: fighting from the time or cricket to the time that
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: you actually get out, because you really want everything to
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: be analyzed. You want to suggest that the prosecution knew
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: something and didn't tell you, right. You wanted just that
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: that the cop was a dirty cop, that there was
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: evidence it didn't come in, that the jury should have
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: heard this, they didn't hear it. That's important because all
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: of those things and all those arguments you make when
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: you're in a trial, you're objecting to, all those things
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: there really become placeholders. You object because on a pe
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: if you didn't, you can't raise them every again, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: then it becomes the end of the road for that defended.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: So he needs to try to submit whatever he can
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: for his own ability.
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: To try to get out of prison. They'd mean it's successful.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: And judges and the peal courts always know, they know, Okay,
• 27:17
  Speaker 5: you're gonna tell me that this piece of evidence should
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: have come in but didn't, or this evidence was heard
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: hearsay wise was allowed in. They shouldn't have been there,
• 27:28
  Speaker 5: And they get almost like callous to people and their
• 27:35
  Speaker 5: arguments that they make. And that's why you think about
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: the lifetime araditions people have as judges. Sometimes it can
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: be a good or a bad thing, because they're so
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: they've heard it all right, you've heard imagine having a
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: teenager and they're like, oh, nothing, I didn't. They have
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: that look at the in the face of the yeah,
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: you're right right, and you're like, really, I haven't been
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: a tenanger before.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: I haven't.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: Like my son's like, I need to close the door
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: in my Bedroomok. Really I haven't been twelve before.
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: Keeps her open.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: No, what do you mean he thinks he's slick on something? No,
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: I know what's going to happen, or I think I know,
• 28:06
  Speaker 5: so I haven't. I think yes, damn mom.
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: My son.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: And I tease girls in the Oh, I'm not that mom.
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: They would never be a girl in the room in
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: my house. No, no, this is my daughter or grandma.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Absolutely not, no, no, no. But you think that they
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: know full well they think they're being slick, and a
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: lot of judges have that mentality of oh that's cute.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Oh really is that what happened? Or are you just guilty?
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: And so he has to exhaust everything for his own
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: really legal peace of mind, But it doesn't mean there's
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: anything there.
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're sitting down for ten years trying every time.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: You know, I get a lot of prison mail and
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: a lot of conversations people who really they they hear
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: they fall the news and they hear about you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: this prosecutor getting fired or this cop having this case,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: and they go, that was my person.
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: What does that mean for me? And the reality is
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: it could mean nothing, but it could mean them.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: I want to ask one more Diddy question, of course,
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: I want to ask one question. You know, we see
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: his attorneys come out, and to me, it doesn't seem
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: like they're doing a good job when they're talking about
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: did he wants to come out and do Madison Square
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Garden again?
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: Just talking too much? Do you feel that way as well?
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: Try shutting up a lawyer. That's that's number one, right,
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: and and that's that's part of it. But I think
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: they want the impression that this is such a minor
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: offense that he should be able to do that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: You wouldn't for a murder suspect. You wouldn't be like, oh, well,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: you know, when he gets out, let's do.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Meadowlands right now. You wouldn't do that.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: But you're talking about someone like Diddy who their counsel
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: wants to project the image that this is so minor,
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: come on and come on that they want that to
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: be heard by the course, you would you would think
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: they would do that after. But remember they're building their case,
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: and they know a public case of this stature is
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: very different than their regular riga moreau very different. The
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: choices that are probably made, they amount of eyes on it,
• 30:13
  Speaker 5: the celebrity factor, people think, oh, they'll get a sweetheart
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: deal because they're celebrity. Oftentimes, I mean, you've got more
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: heat on the prosecutors and the defense to do this
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: case a certain way because they don't want the impression
• 30:27
  Speaker 5: that they are giving anyone to pass. And the defense team,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: remember they have other cases. They've got the Luigi Mangioni
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: case right coming up. They know full well they've got
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: a jury pool that's going to be hearing from them
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: in New York where they're gonna want the impression that
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: they are advocates and zealous advocates throughout the duration of
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: any case. And they want the impression. But no big deal.
• 30:50
  Speaker 10: What he said about when he just asked you about
• 30:54
  Speaker 10: did these lawyers, Yeah, does one just say that or
• 30:58
  Speaker 10: do you get could they be.
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: Getting that from their client?
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: It could be lawyers just go.
• 31:02
  Speaker 10: And say things on their client's behalf like that without
• 31:05
  Speaker 10: even checking with.
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: Them or I My impression is that nothing is just
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: said without Diddy's involvement, right, and that's a good thing.
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: You want his buy in. I don't know that he
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: has agreed to that statement, but you want your clients
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: buy in because you need to instruct them not to
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: be their own worst enemy.
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: And there has to be a collaboration about that.
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: You know, you have a lawyer to be your advocate,
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: not to be your echo, because your echo gets you
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: in trouble. It's had what you said, but your advocate
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: is helping you to spend what you have just said
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: so that you're not going to hurt yourself in the end.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: And so, on the one hand, his lawyer saying it
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: means digging, but I ain't say that, your honor. I
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: take it seriously. I'm in the class. I'm doing the
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: work that's them. The other hand, if he buys it,
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: I'd like to move a out my life. As my
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: attorneys have said.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: So it gives you enough cover. Language, It gives you language.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: It gives you cover, and that's your job of your
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: lawyer because there's a myth that defense words. You're like,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: they approach it and go, I'll only do this if
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: you tell me did you do it?
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: You really do it?
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: Because my conscience tells me this and reality they're like, okay,
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: here's a charge.
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: Don't tell me, but can I prove it?
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: What might there be out there that I don't know
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: about that proves what they said? It's a different conversation,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: and that's how they're advocating, you know what I mean?
• 32:24
  Speaker 7: See, I learned that from powers.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: You like being a moderator or an anchor more?
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: And the reason I ask is because sometimes you have
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: people on and you're way more interested.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: Than people that's your host. So what do you like more? Moderating?
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: Thank you for saying sometimes, you know, I like. Then
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: you have to be both. I mean I an effective moderator.
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: Is the anchor. It keeps people there.
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: The job is not just to be like you know,
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: vanilla and now you talk no opinion? Okay, right now
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: you talk. I can't say anything. Okay, here's my muscle again.
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: The point of an anchor, in my book is to
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: make sure that the conversation goes in the direction it
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: stops where the people want to hear it right. Other
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: shows can float all around and do whatever they want
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: to do. But I am an anchor that ground the
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: conversation and what the people want to hear and what
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: they actually care about. By the time you et eleven
• 33:23
  Speaker 5: o'clock at night, you all have heard everything. You probably
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: haven't you've chewed over so you've maybe you heard about it,
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: maybe you didn't. You have an opinion on something, so
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: now you have the why. Now you've got the real
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: why questions that come out, And that's where I think
• 33:36
  Speaker 5: an effective moderator and anchor comes in. But it is hard.
• 33:39
  Speaker 5: Sometimes I tell you, I assume I have blood in
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: my mouth. Some days I'm biting my tongue because I'm like, well,
• 33:45
  Speaker 5: that didn't make any sense what you just said, and
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: I'll say that, but I have to be diplomatic right.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: Other times you have to get people's opinions in, even
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: when I believe they're the wrong opinion because they're based
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: on misinformation.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: And so that that's where my anchor comes down. Anchor
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: comes down again. Stop, let's not.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Move past this, because people hear it and write it.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: People hear it, they believe it, they see it, they
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: trust it. No one contradicts it.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: It's fact. So I've got it at every level. Stop
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: it from happening. It's hard, Oh yeah, it's hard.
• 34:20
  Speaker 8: What was your journey like when you first decided to
• 34:22
  Speaker 8: get onto TV? Like you would just pop in sometimes
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: and kind of be like a legal analysmah, because you're
• 34:28
  Speaker 8: so in tune with like pop culture and like you
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: understand what's happening. You're on social media, and a lot
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: of times the older networks or older anchors, they don't.
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: Like to accept that at all. So was your journey
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: welcoming when you came in? Or were you.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: What's my journey?
• 34:43
  Speaker 5: Is it welcoming now to me? Let me think about that? Well, well,
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: I didn't come at this like most people did. So
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: when I left the DJ, I didn't really have a
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: plan to go into television. It wasn't like I was
• 34:54
  Speaker 5: thinking my whole life, I want to be on television.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: If anything. I thought I would.
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: Do scripted TV I wanted. I didn't stage acting. I
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: thought maybe I'll do theater as part of my that'd
• 35:02
  Speaker 5: be fun to do. I wanted to follow my passions.
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: But then my husband came home one day after I
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: had my first and second child, and he came home
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: one day. They're back to back and he was putting
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: a camera on the car and he calls me out
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: to tell me there's this camera.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: I go, I don't need this. What is this? I
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: need a camera?
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: What is this?
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: What's going on?
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: And it was the same year of Brown Trayvon Martin
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: and Sandy Hook frankly happened that year. And I said,
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: what is this? And my husband's from the Bronx, right,
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: and so people in America come from the Bronx and
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: floor and sexius. And he he's very stoic, not emotional,
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: like I'm the hurricane, and he's like the grounding forest
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: and he had tears in his eyes and he's like,
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: maybe it's not it's not really for you, it's it's
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: also for me because if I'm ever stopped by police,
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: I want.
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: You to know what really happened.
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: Wow.
• 36:00
  Speaker 5: And I mean I was a prosecutor then, and I
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: was the one he was asking questions of about can
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: they do this and can they do that? And I
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: thought I was giving answers that not only made sense
• 36:12
  Speaker 5: but emotionally resonated, like Okay, I can accept that. But
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: it turns out In that moment, it was very clear
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: that it didn't because there was an inevitability in his mind.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: This is his demise.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: And I thought, I'm maybe an exception to the rule
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: for him, but it won't save his life. Yeah, And
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: so I remember that day thinking I need to make
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: a change because I have this muzzle on in DOJ
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: as a prosecutor. You can't speak to the press, you
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: can't inform people, you can't do that and stuff. And selfishly,
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: between him and my baby boy who's the oldest, and
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: then my daughter, I thought, selfishly, I love them so much.
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: I have to say to their lives.
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: And the only way I knew how was to use
• 36:55
  Speaker 5: my mind as a weapon and as a tool. And
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: again three half like my stature wasn't going to do it,
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: but a platform could. And so I didn't have a
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: plan then to pick up and leave one day, and
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: I made it come dramatic. I made it MLK day
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: so I can say free at last. I left the building.
• 37:14
  Speaker 5: People laughed at me. They said, my just said not
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: fifteenth and my laugh. You know, when you come back,
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: could you write your review in advance? I don't have
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: to do when you come back, And I thought there
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: was kind of a taunting. I just couldn't do it.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: And I remember having nothing like I had, you know,
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: I had my mind, I had my husband.
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: I had a dream. I didn't know how to form it.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: I had a Panera bread, thank you, m.
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: Okay, I had had my top, I had a I
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: had a Panera bread in my neighborhood. And I literally
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: had put a business card into a firehouse subs like
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: wind subs for a year bucket and I won the
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: year of Firehouse Subs.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Okay you not?
• 38:01
  Speaker 5: And that was like I was nursing my daughter still.
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: My son was only about a year or so. There
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: were eighteen months of parts the Liberal over a year,
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: and I remember like posting up in a pin air
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: bread saying myself, how do I do? How do I
• 38:12
  Speaker 5: go from I want to speak truth to power by
• 38:16
  Speaker 5: telling people the truth is? How do I do that?
• 38:18
  Speaker 5: I don't know anyone in media, I don't know anything
• 38:20
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: What can I do?
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: And I just sat there day in day out, writing
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: and trying to get my op eds written?
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: Going on radio. I was on Serious XM.
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: Karen Hunter helped me out and she put me on
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: to do like commentary I didn't know anything.
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: My daughter.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: One of my first episodes with them, my daughter was
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: nursing cause I didn't have daycare with I didn't I
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: couldn't leave, and you know, as a woman, I wasn't comfortable.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: You know, I trusted my husband. I believe in him.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: I couldn't just leave the baby. I leave the babies
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: or mean, I couldn't.
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: No, I couldn't just say you take care of all
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: the finances and I'll figure this out. I had to
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: do something, and so I remember having my kids with
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: me at one point and just figuring it out. But
• 39:02
  Speaker 5: that turned into television and doing hits and then being
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: then consistently never slipping, consistently being authentic in the information,
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: being truthful, having the wit, having the charisma, being able to,
• 39:17
  Speaker 5: you know.
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: Slap down the disrespect, which often happened.
• 39:21
  Speaker 5: People would sort of do the pat you on the head,
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: and I look young, and this is ten years later,
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: I looked even younger, and people want you want to
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: make you feel as though you don't know as much
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: as they do because you saw the Watergate movie and
• 39:35
  Speaker 5: they lived through the Watergate era, and you're like, you
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: know what I mean, but now I'm like, well, I
• 39:40
  Speaker 5: remember saying one person, I said, well, I get that,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: but neither of us was here for the Constitution.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: And so what's your point, right?
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: But having to do that on air, having to make
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: in that moment be your own champion and just do
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: what I tried to do for other people for myself.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: But that was a that was a ten year and
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: it's still on going to this day.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: To this day, I.
• 40:02
  Speaker 5: Have to figuratively put on a coat's jersey before I
• 40:07
  Speaker 5: walk into my own studio because there are people who
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: will every day try to you think getting to the top.
• 40:15
  Speaker 5: If I'm there or not, I don't know, but getting
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: to a a top is hard. Try staying there, and
• 40:21
  Speaker 5: so I just go back. I sign every new deal
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: I ever do, whenever I have a book deal, whatever
• 40:28
  Speaker 5: I'm doing, I make them sign it in Panera.
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: So I'm sitting there look and going I.
• 40:33
  Speaker 5: Remember with my daughter nursing, not knowing what the hell
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: I was doing, and I get a firehouse hub the
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: engineer turkey with mushrooms and some Swiss cheese because it
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: was free for a year, which could might explain sometimes
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: with the waistline, but whatever, and that's how I remember,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: and keep grounded because I hope I will never be
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: the person who's more comfortable in the upper echelons than
• 40:59
  Speaker 5: why looking through my own neighborhood, I got so many questions,
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: but about can just in general, like.
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: Look because as I'm hearing you talking and I'm hearing things,
• 41:08
  Speaker 6: it's coming to me. Lauren said something and you talking
• 41:11
  Speaker 6: about being welcomed, and I thought about that.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, there are a lot of clicks.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: It seems like in this media space, you know, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 6: it's like you have groups of women that are in
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: news and sports there then they all hang out and
• 41:24
  Speaker 6: then you see groups women over here.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: I will never see you with them clicks.
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: I'm a mommy, Yeah, well that well they they mommy
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: differently than I'm mommy. I And I'm okay with the
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: way that I'm social. I'm on my own terms and
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: I really am somebody who values like I. I I
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: love my remember whens. If you can't look at me
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: and have remember when moment, you're not going to be
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: part of my everyday crew right like it. And because
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: I think so many people, especially in this industry, they
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: want to post their life. I want to live my
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: life and with my children in particular. I'm sensitive, right,
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: so I can't guarantee you that I'm not going to
• 42:05
  Speaker 5: come find you if you post a bad comment of
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: my child. And but I have a mortgage, so I
• 42:09
  Speaker 5: can't do that for a stuff, right, I can't be
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: that scrappy. So I'm sensitive about preserving like my peace
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: by keeping my life private.
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: But on the other hand, it's part of the job.
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: It's part of and I wrestle with this every single
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: day because I'm at as many events as probably anyone else.
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: I see them as any people.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: I don't just I don't post it, and that can
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: be a problem for people they think, oh well, and
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: that translates to something. But I have to and I'm
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: not always the most I mean, I'm bury out going,
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: but I love my circle and my life and they
• 42:42
  Speaker 5: are full of remember whens, and I love that. But
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: the clicks, they're real, and the clicks, I think can
• 42:50
  Speaker 5: sometime and you know, I'm cool with everybody. Not It
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: doesn't mean that I'm not cool with them, but the
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: clicks can sometimes operate to make you think that where
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: you are is the top, and they want you to
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: compare and think, well, if you're not doing what you're doing,
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: then you're doing nothing. And in my mind, I let
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: you climb. Your peak is not my peak. Climb, but
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: just don't step on me on the way, because then
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: you will be talked to about it. I'm not I'm
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: nice and I'm friendly, and I have a you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: I'll speak and everyone, and I'm always going to be
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: very especially among my peer group, very respectful until and.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: I think a lot of those cliques have forgotten those
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: neighborhoods you still want to remember.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, don't. I mean, look, I'm not. I don't pretend
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: to be anything I'm not.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: I'm I grew up in Minnesota, So what I look
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: like acting like I didn't right or you know, I
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: went to Princeton. So I'm not gonna pretend that I'm
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: something I'm not. I'm not gonna you know, I grew up,
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: I'm a youngest girl. We're all lawyers. My three sis,
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: two sisters, all lawyers. Like I'm not going to pretend
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: that we have not climbed as well. But I'm also
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: the daughter of a man whorew up in Foster Care.
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: I'm you know, I'm a daughter of you know, my
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: mom's parents left North Carolina to go to Stanford, Connecticut
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: to work in the homes of people who become my
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: clients when I was a lawyer. Right, I know where
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: I come from. I'm a black woman in America, African
• 44:18
  Speaker 5: American in this country, and so when I see people
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: trying to make you think that you're only phenomenal if
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: you are the exception to your race, I'm not having it,
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: and I don't want to be involved in it. But
• 44:34
  Speaker 5: I do tell you that the cliques can make you
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: sometimes you feel little. I mean, this is a very
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: lonely field, you know. There are times when I ought
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: that I absolutely feel very lonely because I don't see.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: What I give out return to me. But I also
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: feel like.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Everyone in the end will will have to reckon with
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: whatever their own demons are, and I'm not the person
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: to point them out every single day. But it's lonely sometimes.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: That's why I turned to my family a lot, and
• 45:06
  Speaker 5: I remember whens and I am very discerning about who
• 45:12
  Speaker 5: I let into my private thoughts because there are so
• 45:16
  Speaker 5: many people who will take that just enough to try
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: to turn it against you, and I'm just not that interested.
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: I didn't come into it because I wanted to be famous.
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: I didn't come because I wanted to wear makeup. I
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: already wore makeup. I was already cute as hell, I
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: already dressed well. You know, I already took care of myself.
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: I already, you know, had the shine that I wanted
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: in my career. I was.
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: I was very proud of what I was doing. I
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: came into it because it was a love letter to
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: my family. So I'm not gonna rip it up just
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: to have a follower.
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to that because you said something.
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: I don't know why my brain thought of this, but
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: you talked about your husband putting the cameras in the car. Yeah,
• 45:55
  Speaker 6: and you're a federal you're a prosecutor. It made me
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: think of Queen and Slim. That's the thing that frustrat
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: be about that movie. I'm sorry, Lena, I gotta get this.
• 46:02
  Speaker 6: You are a prosecutor. If you was in that situation
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: the cops shotted you and your man, as a prosecutor,
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: would your mind say I'm going on the run.
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: I would not run. But I don't.
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: I don't necessarily have the same relationship in actually with
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: the police that they did.
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I don't.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: I don't always have the same fears. I have a
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: very different take. Not that I trust police officers inherently,
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: but I don't distrust them inherently, And so I would
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: I would think I could fight That's I would that
• 46:34
  Speaker 5: I could fight it. Now, would everyone that they could
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: fight it with a sixteen year old version, that I
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: could fight it with a sixty year old version, that
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: I could fight it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know, but I would.
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: Try to fight because then the movie she was a lawyer.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: But why not fight?
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: No, but that's a movie. I don't I don't know.
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: I wondered about that it could be real.
• 46:56
  Speaker 7: Like it could be a real life situation. Now what
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: never bred you.
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: Panera bread would have nurse that arm scone all day
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: on the run, on the run. But you know, but
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: that's best thing. Every you know, every year I feel different.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: I know, my No, I still love it. I still
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: love it.
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: I still love it.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: But every year, every year, one day i'mna, how you
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: come in not own all Panera breads? That's the end
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: of the story.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: Amazing, But like I you know, one day, I mean,
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: I think You're just different who you would be and
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: what you have and what you what Your optimism level
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: dictates what you're willing to fight for. Like I I'm
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: still on the optimistic range where I'm like.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: I can make because she'll call me and check me
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: into absolutely I do.
• 47:44
  Speaker 6: I want to ask this to you were a federal
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  Speaker 6: prosecutor in the Civil Rights Division of the US Department
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  Speaker 6: of Justice during the Bush and Obama. What I wanted
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: to ask you is, you know, we hear people say
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  Speaker 6: things like Donald Trump is taking us back. He's you know,
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  Speaker 6: all these executive voters have repealed these rights and he's
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: taking us back to this time. People have come up
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  Speaker 6: here and asking what year we think we live in.
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, we're in twenty twenty five. But I want
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  Speaker 6: to ask you, simply to the people that are listening,
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  Speaker 6: what rights are being stripped away from us right now?
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  Speaker 5: Number one voting? Okay, voting. It's almost like you think
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: about your health. If your health fails, nothing else matters.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: You know, if voting goes away, almost nothing else you
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: want to argue about is important enough to conteract that,
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  Speaker 5: because if you don't have a say, then you cannot
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: speak Later in a way that's actually going to fall
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  Speaker 5: in the right ears and voting does that. And so
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: the rolling back of rights. When I was in the
• 48:40
  Speaker 5: civil rights vision of the voting section, we still had
• 48:42
  Speaker 5: section five, which is the formula you use to determine
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  Speaker 5: whether in the area of the country that traditionally violated
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  Speaker 5: civil rights laws or had skewed voting rights and laws
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  Speaker 5: that impacted black people.
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  Speaker 4: Period.
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  Speaker 5: There's a formula you'd use to figure out how you
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  Speaker 5: whether that person that jury and was qualified to have
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  Speaker 5: to ask for permission for any change they wanted to make.
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  Speaker 4: When I was here, that was still there. That's gone.
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  Speaker 5: The formula's gone because Supreme Court said it's outdated. You know,
• 49:10
  Speaker 5: we're in a sort of a post racial world. We've
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: had a black president now, so the same rules won't apply.
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  Speaker 5: So therefore Congress, think of a new formula. And while
• 49:18
  Speaker 5: you take your sweet time and then goes astray. Well,
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: that was the entryway point of why everything else is
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: starting to fail in terms of the Section two, which
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  Speaker 5: is the race based and jerry mandering aspects of it.
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  Speaker 5: So that's the number one thing that people are rolling
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  Speaker 5: back the voting Number two. Don't sleep on the Fourth Amendment,
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: reasonable search and caesars and stops. You know, anytime you
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: hear about a police brutality case of a driver or
• 49:45
  Speaker 5: someone in their home wherever it is talking about the
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: fourth of thement, what right the officer has to stop you,
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: question you, touch you, arrest you, all those things.
• 49:53
  Speaker 4: The more power you give.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Officers without having to stantiate that power based on probable
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: cause or the constitution, the more you live in a
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  Speaker 5: place where that goes away. So for example, with the
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: National Guard or the FBI as president in Washington, d C.
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  Speaker 5: Where I am, the question is not just whether they're
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: supposed to be there because it's an emergency quote unquote,
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  Speaker 5: but whether they're gonna abide by the same principles under
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  Speaker 5: the Fourth Amendment.
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: The standard right.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Now is it's only unreasonable if a reasonable officer would
• 50:34
  Speaker 5: feel it's unreasonable, not whether you think it's reasonable, not
• 50:37
  Speaker 5: whether you or you or you, whether a reasonable officer
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: would think so, which incentivizes people to say, well, I'm
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: not going to call out my fellow officer because it
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: could connect to haunt me. So I'm gonna have sort
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: of a yeah, it's reasonable, kick him in the head.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: I mean I can see why that could happen shot
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: him accidentally. Oh well, you know, I could see what
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: that would happen, and they become the reasonable standard.
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  Speaker 4: So that's what the cops know. There's already that issue.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: Now you add the National Guard, you add in the FBI,
• 51:06
  Speaker 5: who they don't do average traffic stops.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: They don't even equip they're.
• 51:12
  Speaker 5: Not but also not necessarily used to adhering to the
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: same standards because the nature of their work is so
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: much more of an emergency that they have to be
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: a little bit more aggressive at times.
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  Speaker 4: They say.
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  Speaker 6: So.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: Now, trying to balance all that out means that the
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: more accepted it becomes that law enforcements has power, the
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: less you have to say, wait, I have my rights,
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: you can't do that to me, more becomes laughed at.
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: So I think those are two areas to me that
• 51:43
  Speaker 5: are the most problematic.
• 51:45
  Speaker 4: There are others voting them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we appreciate you for joining.
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  Speaker 1: One final question.
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  Speaker 7: Oh and okay, grow up.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Nobody said that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 8: Now I'm curious I got the two Well one question
• 52:01
  Speaker 8: I could put in one. When you didn't get jeopardy right,
• 52:05
  Speaker 8: you kept your response to how you felt very diplomatic,
• 52:09
  Speaker 8: but a lot of people feel like you weren't in
• 52:11
  Speaker 8: the thought even though he said you should be because
• 52:15
  Speaker 8: you were a black woman. Did you feel like it
• 52:17
  Speaker 8: was a race thing of the reason why you weren't
• 52:19
  Speaker 8: even considered as like in the guest hosting slat or
• 52:22
  Speaker 8: just called in even tryout.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: I thought it was bullshit that I wasn't asked to
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: try out. I thought it was something that was the
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: masch nations behind the scenes where people decide who their
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: heroes and celebrities ought to be and merit didn't matter.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: And that's how I honestly feel about it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: I feel like, I mean, so.
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: Whether it was a race I don't even I don't
• 52:46
  Speaker 5: know if as much as it was a race thing
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: as much as it wasn't a youth thing. Now who
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: I am is a black woman, so if it's me,
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: then it was that. But I was always very resentful
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: of it, and I still am because I think it'd
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: be much easier to have a job where the answers
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: are already in front of me, like on Jeopardy anything else.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: But as I see, they say, everyone's journey is their journey.
• 53:10
  Speaker 5: For me, I was honored that he was specific. He
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: was kind when I reached out to thank him. I
• 53:18
  Speaker 5: was grateful to have a chance to get to know
• 53:20
  Speaker 5: him a little bit during that, but it wasn't his call.
• 53:24
  Speaker 5: But here's what that told me, and the lesson I
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: never forget the fact that it wasn't Alex Trebek's call.
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: Who replace him?
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: Told me, I have to examine power differently, right, And
• 53:37
  Speaker 5: I had to examine who really is in control very
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: differently and in what In many ways, I'm happy that
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: it happened because I approached all my negotiations and business
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: dealings that if my name's on something, it.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Belongs to me, and that includes the agency to do
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: with it what I want.
• 53:58
  Speaker 5: And if I had gotten it just because someone's, oh,
• 54:00
  Speaker 5: I think it'd be her, it's great be her, I
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: might not have approached.
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: The same way. And but I still think it's I
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: think it's ridiculous.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: But I died.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: But he did die before he passed that along before
• 54:13
  Speaker 5: he passed, he asked what he who he'd want to
• 54:15
  Speaker 5: replace him, and he said he passed away from pankrant
• 54:18
  Speaker 5: cancer sadly, which is just that my grandmother had the
• 54:21
  Speaker 5: same thing, and it was just so, it's what a
• 54:23
  Speaker 5: horrible disease and cruel, but I was honored to even
• 54:27
  Speaker 5: be mentioned in it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: But I still feel some kind.
• 54:30
  Speaker 7: Of way about it.
• 54:31
  Speaker 8: Before he died, said that she's one of the people
• 54:33
  Speaker 8: that should be considered, but he never even got to
• 54:36
  Speaker 8: see her be considered.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: But I was told.
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: I was told when I would when I had, when
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: I spoke to I'm telling too much information. When I
• 54:42
  Speaker 5: did try to fight for it, they said, well, maybe
• 54:45
  Speaker 5: a particular person who the name I came recall, he's
• 54:49
  Speaker 5: that irrelevant to me now.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: I can't I care his name.
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: I don't remember I care.
• 54:54
  Speaker 4: For his name.
• 54:55
  Speaker 5: But he was like, but you know what, if you ever,
• 54:57
  Speaker 5: you can be my assistant on a podcast, you know,
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: to research on a podc I fel like, I'll be
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: your assistant to research on the podcast.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: Who do you think you're talking to?
• 55:05
  Speaker 9: Not me?
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: What game showed it that with to you?
• 55:06
  Speaker 5: Hope that he I hadn't he he watched me on
• 55:09
  Speaker 5: CNN wow Wow.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: And he also I did radio.
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: I did serious XM for a long time, and so
• 55:13
  Speaker 5: he would he was a radio guy himself when he
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: started started out, and so he said that he respected
• 55:18
  Speaker 5: the work that I did and and the mind.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: And thought it would be a beautiful match. Wow, that
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: was really cool, really cool.
• 55:28
  Speaker 8: And my last question I was did that help in
• 55:30
  Speaker 8: how you navigated because people started having a conversation about
• 55:33
  Speaker 8: you and Kitlyn Collins when people felt like you were
• 55:34
  Speaker 8: shorted in that situation with getting a full time anchor roll.
• 55:39
  Speaker 5: Well, I had the anchor roll. You mean I didn't
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: have the nine o'clock hours. You mean, okay, you know,
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: I think people have a tendency to always ask, you know,
• 55:48
  Speaker 5: and why her and not this person, and they assume
• 55:52
  Speaker 5: that that there is beef.
• 55:56
  Speaker 4: But I I really I believe that I am.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: I'm where I'm supposed to be in this moment, and
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: let everyone climb the way they want to climb. Let
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: people enjoy the fruits of their labor, because I enjoy mine.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: But the work is so far from being done.
• 56:14
  Speaker 5: So I think you know, where I am and where
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: I'll end up are two different.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Things by far.
• 56:21
  Speaker 6: When the strongest line up on cable, dudes, I mean
• 56:24
  Speaker 6: I can literally go from Andazon Cooper, Anderson Cooper to
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Abby and then you like, yeah, that's by far the
• 56:34
  Speaker 6: strongest linele.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: Well, we appreciate that.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: I mean we're we I know, at CNN are very
• 56:39
  Speaker 5: grateful for the audience because you know, trust issues can
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: change people, right, And also there is the emergency and
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: you said not even negative CNN, but there's the emergence
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: of new media right there are I mean there is
• 56:53
  Speaker 5: we talk about this that you know, there is the
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: the old guard of legacy media, who some people think
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: is all that should be, and then there are people
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: who actually have it right. Who's up in that mindset
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: of I want to access as many people as possible
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: where you are, and that needs being to say on
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: the medium that you think it is. But I hope
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: that our audience conf used to grow and that people
• 57:15
  Speaker 5: appreciate every person on our line up for what they bring,
• 57:18
  Speaker 5: because every single person contributes in a different and unique way,
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: and the format of the show is unique and different
• 57:24
  Speaker 5: in a way that helps people to find their truth
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: seekers and that's important. And if you don't feel that way,
• 57:33
  Speaker 5: then you should tell people let them.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: Let give people a chance to hear what you need
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: and what you want.
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: But I don't want to be like in an ivory
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: tower or I'm like here's the way the news does.
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: I'm not stuffy, I'm not you know, I'm not trying
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: to be Walter Cronkite. I don't want to be. I
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: want to be Laura Coates, and I'm cool with that.
• 57:54
  Speaker 5: But what I don't want to be is who you
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: think Laura Coates ought to be. I am at the
• 58:00
  Speaker 5: eleven o'clock hour. I hold it down as an anchor.
• 58:03
  Speaker 5: I'm strong willed about that, but I think there's always
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: room for improvement.
• 58:09
  Speaker 6: My last question, you know you're a mother, your wife,
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: you know, former prosecutor on CNN.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: When do you have time to be this fun ratchet
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: lord coach. I keep hearing about.
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: Everybody, everybody that I know that hung out with you,
• 58:23
  Speaker 6: and they see something else that's crazy.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: You got you up here to call.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: And they were like, yo, lower coach though.
• 58:38
  Speaker 5: Right, I hope I'm the same person. But you haven't
• 58:42
  Speaker 5: talking about the Constitution here. But I really mean, really,
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: I make time for fun. I make time for for
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: love and joy.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: Because the whole interview, but that's.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: What happen was.
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: No, you know what, I got to be who I
• 58:59
  Speaker 5: can be, and I want there to be a through line.
• 59:02
  Speaker 5: You know, the best advice I ever got was from
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: Steve Harvey, who said to me that, you know, Laura,
• 59:09
  Speaker 5: I am the same person no matter where you see me, period,
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: and I hope.
• 59:16
  Speaker 4: That that's me.
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: Just may be a little bit different outfit, different hair,
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: different heel colored, different lipstick, different eyeliner, But I'm the
• 59:24
  Speaker 5: same person.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: It's just that you know who else I may be.
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: I would never want to try to be who I
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: was not, But every circumstances not called for my wretchetness.
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: Some really do. And sometimes I'm like, oh, you think
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: this is not let me tell my hold on one second.
• 59:44
  Speaker 4: I'm not the one or the two.
• 59:48
  Speaker 10: You guys, there's things that we can thank you for.
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: I appreciate, appreciate that you said earlier you talked about
• 59:59
  Speaker 6: armchair attorney. Then I feel like we have a lot
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: of those, a lot of those, And I don't know
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 6: if people are becoming more legally literate, are getting worse
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 6: than understanding the constitution and all right, so we need
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 6: people like well.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 5: I appreciate that, and I'm honored to be here, and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 5: I respect you all so much.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: Thank you for letting me come.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Laura Coates.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: It's the breakfast Club.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Good morning.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 5: Every day a week ago.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Click your ass up, the Breakfast Club. You don't Finish
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: y'all done,