Latest / The Sense and Senseless Podcast / EP: 89 “The Circle Around Trump: Bribes, Secret Accounts & Awkward Interviews”
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- Bryan: All right. What if the people closest to power, the ones who were supposed to be different, are just as dirty as the ones we already expected to be corrupt? In this episode, we'll dig into allegations around Kimberly Gullifal, Jared Kushner, and a few other moments that make you wonder how deep this shit actually goes. We'll touch on if you should vote or not. Talk a bit about France and finish off with being an ass man. Stick around. Welcome back to the Sense and Senseless Podcast. I'm Bryan.. Jason: and I'm Jason. Bryan: Here's Jason. Jason crunching on something. If this is your Jason: I'm sorry. Bryan: first time joining us, welcome to the family. We're just two guys discussing shit in a way that everyone can understand. Happy Halloween. And for all of you that Jason: Hello's Eve. Bryan: Hollows Eve, and for y'all that don't believe in Halloween, happy Halloween to you as well. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: Okay. So we're gonna talk about tonight. That's right. Jason: Stop being prudes, people. Damn. Hand out that candy. Bryan: Let's talk about the Trump administration and how much they care about you. And now I'm not doing this to bash on Trump. Just so all y'all know I'm hard on Trump because he was supposed to be different. I expect dumb shit from other politicians, and I expect other politicians to be pieces of shit. So before you start with the, yeah, but what about insert the other person's name? Bullshit argument. Let's get it straight. Trump. was supposed to be different. Period. All right. Jason: He's the one in power right now. So he's the one we're going to talk about. If we get somebody else in here, guess what? We're going to talk about them too. Right? Bryan.. Bryan: That's right. Jason: Everybody's up for game. Everybody's free game. Bryan: This episode will be more about the Trump administration as there's a little bit of shady shit that went on. And we're going to start with the former U.S. Ambassador to Greece, Kimberly Girlfall. You may have likely heard of her. She was formerly married to Gavin Newsom, and she was engaged to be married to Don Trump Jr. But this lady is pretty fucking shady. And yes, she was asked to resign. She is no longer in the Trump orbit. I get that. But something allowed this woman to be so comfortable with being corrupt that, in my opinion, the opinion of an old dumb dude, this shit was normalized in her circle. And whoever was or is in her circle. likely also do some of the same shit. They just better at covering their tracks. Right? I they say birds of a feather. Now I'm not gonna say everybody's all the same because I mean you do have friends that are a little different than what you are, you know, in most cases. I get that. But the majority of the people you hang around with are pretty much sound the they're pretty much the same way you are. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: That's normally how you keep your circle. So that's where I'm on that. But we're going to start with Eric Dieters. Here's Eric Dieters. I didn't Google Jack McCall, I w really didn't care who he was. Jason: Right. Bryan: But I did listen to the call. And yes, there were some damning allegations from a guy named Jonathan Constantine. Constantine was investigating fraud and he found fraud. And he sent this information to the GOP earlier this year, and they didn't do anything about it. It wasn't specified who received the reports, or if it did, I didn't catch, you know, who actually received it. But it was described as his superiors in the group that he works for, Republican officials. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Members of Congress and the U.S. State Department. He did say that some showed interest, but overall interest in what he was uncovering wasn't there. He stated that the GOP hierarchy was completely broken down and nobody cares. Constantine called Dieters because he was already publicly discussing his own pay to play issues with Kim Golifore. Where she asked him to pay off a hundred thousand dollars on her American Express bill in return for White House access. Now let's not get this shit twisted. I'm sure Eric Dieters isn't a saint either. By his own accounts, he said that he has previously paid Kim about three hundred thousand in speaking and appearance fees over several years for his Freedom Fest events and related work. He also offered her up to a million dollars if she helped him get administration assistance on his personal tax and legal issues. That is basically the call that Eric Dieters threatened to release. Well, of course, it goes deeper and we will go over some of the allegations, but in my opinion, the call didn't implicate Trump or his administration into any of this shit. The call wasn't as damning as Dieter thought it would be. But it did raise some red flags. If you knew anything about all that shit. Jason: Mm-mm. I never heard that. Bryan: Yeah, so that's why she ended up resigning from being the ambassador of Greece was basically was the text messages to Dieter back and forth about paying off her hundred thousand dollar American Express card. And then the Trump administration seen that and supposedly that's why she was let go. so Dieter has that information, and this guy, Constantine, calls Dieter because Dieter already has a lawsuit or whatnot against her. So he's trying to give Dieter more more information. Does that make sense? Jason: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Bryan: All right. So we're gonna go over the allegations of what this call was. And a lot of these allegations we're going to discuss, they haven't been proven. Therefore keep in mind that these are allegations that may or may not be full truth. But they were damning enough for to make her resign. So the call states before Kimberly Gulfall even arrived in Greece, Greece, she was looking for bribes. She had her corruption system set up from the word go. So that tells me right there that she's not new to this game, right? She allegedly was on the take for White House access. And that's where Eric Dieters came in. Gulfall asked him to pay $100,000 straight to her Amax bill. Right before her confirmation hearing. In Tex she offered influence and to be his ride or die in the Trump world. He had already paid her hundreds of thousands in fees and dangled up to a million if she helped him get White House attention on his legal and tax problems. He called it a clear quid pro quo. Those texts are what pushed the White House to force her out as ambassador of Greece. Then Jonathan Constantine's reports come into the picture. to Jonathan Constantine, O'Kim received over three million in bribes to a person named Christos Marafatsos. I can say that wrong. He was described as Kim's bag man. One of the people who bribed her has already been indicted for grand fraud. More indictments are expected soon. Constantine claims to have seventy five hundred pages of supporting material on this. She was actively promoting for a fee of $3 million or $2.5 million, a Greek company that was on the verge of bankruptcy, seeking to have it awarded contracts that would normally go to American companies. She allegedly solicited money from private fund managers in Germany for this purpose while taking money from the company. But wait, there's more. Of the six people who bribed her through the bag man. Four of them were formed. Two were IRGC fronts and two were CCC fronts. So we got the Iranians and the Chinese bribing this lady. Jason: Mmm. Bryan: The CCP link players wanted control of Greek ports. The IRGC link players wanted to get involved in the energy project. Not to invest, but to ensure it never became viable. It was alleged by Constantine in a release call that she handed over her secured phone communication access to her bag man, who Constantine says was recruited by the Chinese Communist Party in two thousand nine. Some of the detailed reports Constantine's group sent to Goffal were later leaked to the CCP by people in her entourage whom she trusted. Because of this, Constantine's group stopped communicating with her in March of 2026. During the call, Constantine stated she only interacted with people who were either hostile to the United States or hostile to the Republican Party or both. And then my favorite from the call was when Constantine said, and I'm just paraphrasing here, a couple days ago, a client of mine, who is also a donor, said that, said the following: Kimberly Gulf O can be summed up in three C's. And this is the blunt part. Cunt, Coke, and Cash. All three were Jason: Mmm. Bryan: present. Dieters then follows up by asking whether cocaine is the drug involved. And Constantine confirms that cocaine use or use within a circle has been reported by embassy staff. The word cunt is used here as a vulgar derogatory reference to alleged sexual behavior or promiscuity however you say that. She was sexual behavior paired with coke, cocaine, cash, and greed and bribery. Constantine presents it as a blunt summary for someone else. And does not elaborate further on the sexual side of the claim in the call itself. Now he focuses more on the money and the reported drug use. Now this goes a lot deeper, but that's where I'm going to leave it. The only reason why I want to discuss this is because when I see shit like this at her level and how normalized it was for her, that to me is a learned behavior. And the people she surrounded herself with. Likely were cut from the same cloth. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: And I'm sure it gets a fucked on worse as you climb the ladder in politics. Now, Dieters has sued Kim, so maybe more shit will come out in discovery. Or maybe even Jonathan's report will be confirmed. I guess we'll see. What do you think about that? Jason: I looked her up. I just had to see a picture of her. I've never seen her before and she looks like a used washed up porn star. I'm just being honest. The ones that are still Bryan: Yeah, she Jason: trying to stay in the business. They can't hang it up. like the Brett Farves and the Tom Brady's and Peyton Manning's a porn, Aaron Rodgers. Bryan: Evidently she was still moving. She was getting Jason: I guess. Bryan: millions of dollars and Jason: She's a cunt coke and cash war. Bryan: That's right. Jason: she doesn't look like, geez, I'm probably going to catch shit for saying that, but she just don't look like she'd be the ambassador to Greece. meant, I'm just being honest. Bryan: Well, s I think when she was actually appointed there she was still Don Junior's Beyonce. Jason: So that doesn't make her no, no. Yeah. It looks like Bryan: D don't make her qualified at all. I'm just saying that's more than likely why she got the job. Jason: we're about to cue the music, right? That she's going to show some real Bryan: yeah. Jason: estate. Next thing you know, she's. Bryan: Next on stage, Kimberly Gilfall. Jason: Yeah, she's getting an entourage of, yeah. Bryan: So yeah, there's that. Jason: Yeah. Gangbang, I'm just being honest. It's go look at her. Bryan: Yeah, I just well my my whole take on it is is not even looks at her. You don't even have to see her. When you have Jason: Yeah. Bryan: someone, and don't get me wrong, you you can have people inside your circle that are just bad people. You can't. I'm not gonna say that Jason: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Bryan: you can't and not know that. But when you're that comfortable with doing something like that. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: You more than likely know that she's doing that type of shit because sh that that is who she is at that point. She's not trying to hide that shit. she's Jason: No. Bryan: fucking just when you just texting somebody, hey, look, you put 100,000 on my Emacs, that's fucking, that's comfortable. Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Bryan: That's comfortable as fuck. Jason: Is she not getting enough money to cover her own damn credit card bills? Bryan: Well, I don't even I don't think that's the thing is I think they enjoy the fact that they don't have to pay for anything. They can use their Jason: Yeah, I guess. mean, it's... Bryan: position to leverage what they have to get what they need. Jason: that shit's gonna come out. Stop doing it. Bryan: Well, you we think we know that. Jason: come on. Bryan: It we come out with her. You don't think we have a lot more politicians that are actually Jason: it's gonna come out. It's gonna... It's gonna keep coming out. Bryan: I don't think it will and I don't think this would have came out if she was still John Junior's fiancee. Think about it. Jason: You think the Trump administration allowed it to come out? Didn't he put her in there? Bryan: Yeah. But he's no longer that's not long no longer his family. He has no reason to that's Jason: So, Bryan: not a dog in a fight. Jason: so he still put her in there. don't matter if she's. Bryan: I don't he I don't know. I don't think he cares about the ambassador to Greece. That's like, hey, look, get the fuck away from me. Go to Greece job. Jason: Yeah, I guess. I don't know. Bryan: No, that's just my thought. We'll agree to disagree on that one. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: We found an impasse. Jason: I still don't think he wants to be shamed by that. Bryan: I don't think he is. I don't even think he gives a s I see that's the thing. I don't think he has any emotional attachment to that position at all. You know what I'm getting at? Jason: Yeah, but the dude that the video you showed the dude acted like he was about to bring the whole thing down. You're not bringing the whole thing down with that. Yeah. Bryan: Yeah, but he yeah, he was just dramatic. Yeah. I I showed that because of how dramatic he was and Jason: Yeah. Bryan: a lot of people seen that and they probably thought he was gonna take it down. They probably still think he's gonna take it down and he might. Yeah. Jason: Ooh, Ooh. And it was like that. Okay. Next. Bryan: But yeah, I went to listen, I listened to the whole thing. And don't get me wrong, it's interesting to listen to it. But I don't see anywhere where it says it's gonna take Trump down. And I'm not trying to defend Trump. I'm just being honest. What I listened to, Now, let me be fair. I listened to a 13 minute version. I didn't listen Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: to the 16 minute version. Could those missing three minutes had something in there that would have been a bombshell that would take the Trump administration down? It's quite possible. Jason: I think so. I think so. Bryan: But I think we would have seen those three minutes somewhere. Jason: Yeah, Bryan: I'm getting that? Jason: yeah, no, I understand. You think there was some Bryan: So but no I don't Jason: coke sniffing off some butt holes like on? Bryan: I think they got I think there's a lot of nasty shit that goes on, man. I really do. Jason: there he is. What is that? A wolf or the, Wolf of wall Bryan: The Wolf of Wall Street. Jason: street. Yeah. Yeah. There's some nasty stuff that happens. Bryan: Alright, if this is making you it's making you think, do us a solid hit the like button, share this episode with a friend, follow us and subscribe so you never miss what we're digging into next. It actually helps us more than you think. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: Back to the program. All right, so now we're Jason: back to. Bryan: gonna move on to the other portion of Trump. We're gonna do the son in law of Jared Kushner. Jason: Kushner? Bryan: Kushner. Jason: Kushner. Bryan: Now he got some allegations from the author of a new book that showed Jared Kushner allegedly has some shady shit going on in the Middle East. The author's name is Matthew Cole. The publisher of the book is Simon and Schuster. Kushner threatened a defamation lawsuit against both the author and the publisher. Matthew Cole says that he and the publisher followed the letter of the law. The key allegations were presented to Kushner via his lawyers for response before publication of the book. Though the full manuscript was not shared for complete pre publication review. According to reporting and statements from both sides, Matthew Cole first contacted Kushner in May of 2026 with the list of questions and followed up by email at least twice with additional questions. In the book's epilogue, Cole states that Kushner declined multiple requests for an on the record interview. Kushner's counsel responded with formal letters dated July 30th and August 10th, 2026. These included a detailed point-by-point denial of Cole's factual allegations and questions. A 13-page letter was also sent to publishers Simon and Schuster before publication, basically denying the claims and criticizing the lack of supporting evidence. Cole wrote that he carefully considered the lawyers' responses, consulted additional resources. And the denials did not change his conclusion about the accuracy of his reporting. Basically, he went back to his sources and double-checked his reporting and was convinced his reporting was factual enough to fight a lawsuit. So they published the book. Now, I can't tell you that these allegations are 100% correct, but from what I read and interview I watched with Matthew Cole, I know they felt comfortable with moving forward with this book, regardless of the pressure from the Kushner camp. And that says a lot. Matthew also mentioned that he left a lot of information out of the book that he couldn't a hundred percent confirm, so the information could have been even more damning. I would assume that if the author author and publisher believe they are telling the truth, that they would welcome a lawsuit so they could dig even further into allegations during discovery. So how did this pop off? From what I gather, it was an article in Vanity Fair where they discussed an excerpt from Matthew's book. Here you go. Here's Julian Dory giving us a little preview on this. Jason: Mmm. Bryan: How about that? Jason: I like that dude. Dory. Bryan: yeah, I like them too. Here's the Vanity Fair article. Well say the Dutch spies gotten to Jared Kushner's iPhone in early twenty eighteen. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: So if y'all want y'all can go check that out. So they did this by flipping a Russian hacker who had already broken into his phone. Then figuring out the same weak spot. They could watch his screen whenever he used it. Now they couldn't take full control, but they can watch what he was doing. And what they claim they s Jason: Yeah, I like the, the thing that you would put on your kid's phone or whatever to watch them, what they're Bryan: so you can't hear it, you can only watch what they're doing? Jason: You can see what they're doing. You can, yeah, Bryan: Okay. Jason: it's like a screen thing. I forget what it is. I real quick, real quick story. was, I was, putting some service in for a, insurance company near me, farm bureau. And the guy over that office over there said that his kid was like outstanding. And this was weird for him to tell it me and my buddy that was working there at the time about what was going on. And to the fact this kid did nothing wrong and him and his wife was like, something ain't right. So they put some kind of thing on his phone where they could Bryan: Yeah. Jason: like a keystroke program or whatever. And this kid was pimping girls out, selling drugs over on the West end. Bryan: What? Wow. Jason: This model kid, they thought their kid was straight and all this stuff. was, they were like, they were putting say taking a pack of cigarettes and taking the 18 out of 20 out and putting marijuana loaded cigarettes of the 18 of the 20 and repackaging. he had girls over on the West end of town selling them. Bryan: How old was this kid? Jason: he was in high school. Bryan: That's pretty impressive. That is. I'm not gonna lie. Jason: And this dude to tell us this, that's that it's embarrassing that your kids doing that. he, Bryan: Or he was bragging. Jason: no, he wasn't because the kid got in Bryan: I would have been. Jason: a lot of trouble for it, but I'm just getting that, that he was saying, don't ever think your kids ain't doing something. And, and the, and the Bryan: I agree with that, but Jason: stuff you can put on your kids' phones and computers, you know, can track what they're doing. Bryan: I'm just curious of how that kid learned to do that. That's pretty yeah, I that's a pretty good shit. It's not even so much the fact that what he did what he did under the nose of his parents believing that he was such a great kid. That is a Jason: They, they, he was a saint and he was pimping women out. Bryan: Yeah, he's either a well, no he's intelligent, but he's either a genius or he's borderline schizophrenic. Yeah, you know what I'm getting at? And he doesn't have any emotion Jason: Agree, I agree, I agree. Bryan: to where he doesn't he doesn't show, Jason: Yeah. Bryan: I don't know. I s I Jason: The balls to get girls your age to go out and do this stuff for you. I mean, dude, that's way above a 17 year old. You know what I'm saying? 16, 17 year old, getting girls your age to go out and day themselves ship for you to make money. Bryan: Maybe he's slinging a fourteen inch cock or something, just woof. Maybe he's got an elephant cocky scratching his belly with it. All Jason: Yeah, just. He packin' the meat. Bryan: right, back to Kushnha. Jason: All right. But you see what I'm saying though? The ability that the hackers being able to do that. I understand that that's that technology is the technologies Bryan: Yes. Okay. Jason: there. And then you just hack and do that and they can read your keys. mean, even Zuckerberg said finally admitted that Facebook listens. There's adaptive on your phones, your phones, listen to what you say. We talk about that all the time. Bryan: yeah, they listen. Jason: We're being hacked all the time, Bryan.. Bryan: Well, what they claim they saw, they saw Kushner logging into a UAE bank account that had just received hundreds of millions of dollars routed through another bank in the Middle East to hide the origin. The book says Saudi and Emirati leaders set up at least two billion in secret accounts for Kushner during Trump's first term. The author named the banks in question Alpha and Beta. So the Alpha bank was around $750 million. big UAE bank under a government-linked charity. Kushner was allegedly the signatory. So he he And then it was described as a off the books foreign policy slush fund. And then the beta had a about a billion dollars in it. And this one it moved through Azerbaijan into Israel, tied to the central bank, and allegedly was for Kushner's personal benefit. Jason: Why don't we ever get that shit, dude? Bryan: I don't know. Jason: I just want, I just want the lint out of that pocket. I'm sorry. No, it's dirty money. That's dirty money. I ain't touching that. Bryan: That is dirty. And what here's the big thing, just like Julian Dory says in the book, you know, claims this money from these accounts went to people he describes as warlords, a mercenary, and former hitmen. So Jason: And a hit man. Yeah. Bryan: what the fuck was he doing with all this money? no, Cole argues that if any of this money, if any of this is true and Kushner never disclosed the accounts, it could break financial disclosure rules, foreign agent laws, and possibly bribery statutes. Several senior Trump officials told him they never heard of any presidential okay for Kushner to access a foreign government account. Kushner's lawyers say none of it happened. There's there are no accounts and never were. They say he had no connection to the accounts or the charity, followed every law, and only did what the president directed. Balman Ambassador David Friedman also denies any involvement. The White House response to the Vanity Fair article was, and here is the White House response in by Stephen Schwing, White House Director of Communications, posted on X. This bullshit Vanity Fair article comes from a book that is complete fiction and was fabricated from the warp mind of failed spy thriller writer. He presents no evidence or even a shred of documentation. Just mysterious words from unnamed sources. Total fake news. And then Anna Kelly, the White House principal deputy press secretary, also responded, calling the piece baseless smears against Kushner and saying it had zero evidence based on what two anonymous sources supposedly heard about, but never even saw for themselves because these events didn't happen. President Trump himself, when asked about it outside the White House, said it's a false story. Nope. It's totally false story. It was totally. An incorrect story. It was just fake news. Amazing. So there you have it, folks. Just fake news. Move along. Nothing to see here. Jason: Yes. And see Trump did a good job of calling out the news for their bullshit and, he was right. So the news could be right about this, but they were so damn wrong about everything else and their narratives, right? Push another shit that you don't know when to believe them. Agree. Bryan: I agree with you. I agree with you. I I agree with that a lot. Jason: They've caused their own problems that we don't even believe them anymore. When they are, that's Bryan: You don't know what to believe anymore. I'll Jason: what I'm saying. So this shit could have actually happened, but Trump says fake news. Yep. You're right. They've been fake the whole time. Bryan: Or it could all be a lie. And Trump is right. It is fake news. Jason: It could be. So we don't know. Bryan: No, and I checked into it a lot and these ac these allegations, seem to be pretty plausible. And again, that's a inner circle, right? We're getting even Jason: Right, right. Bryan: closer to Trump orbit. This guy th this thing goes a lot deeper. I mean, this guy's dad's in prison for fraud. You know, hit he had a bank, not a bank, what was it? Six six six Shit, I don't. It's some building or something they bought that was gonna go bankrupt and they they ended up saving it. There's there's a lot of shit with this guy. So I'm not saying that he's he's a fraud, but he's he might be fraud adjacent. You know? Fraud adjacent. Jason: Fraud of Jason? okay, I thought you were saying that I'm a fraud. Like, dude, I'm not a fraud. Bryan: No, fraud adjacent. He's adjacent to the fraud. Jason: He's adjacent to it. Bryan: Ch change. And again, this one probably goes a lot deeper. We're not gonna go into Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: that any deeper tonight. Just showing you allegations of corruption at lower levels in politics by people you didn't even fucking vote for. You didn't vote for either one of them people. Jason: No, but people that you did vote for put them in power. Bryan: Think about that. And multiply what we just discussed, time a fuck ton of people that are just sucking us dry and selling Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: us out to the highest bidder just to enrich themselves while lying at you and butt fucking you at every goddamn turn. Jason: Damn dude. Bryan: It's true. Jason: I know, but you gotta go with no Vaseline like Ice Cube says, right? Bryan: No Vaseline. That's right. I is this why we have two real estate guys like Kushner and Lutnick doing the negotiations in the Middle East? Jason: yeah. they're wanting to get in on that damn, shit where the, Palestinians are the, the Gaza strip. Bryan: The Yeah, the Gaza Reconstruction. Jason: Yeah. They're re they're wanting to handle that. Aren't they? Bryan: Yeah, and they they were over there with the first rounds of diplomacy with the Iranian war. These two Jason: Hmm. Bryan: guys. Jason: They're not getting nothing out of that, Bryan.. Nothing to see here. Bryan: No. Nothing to see here. Trump said it's fake news. Jason: It is. Bryan: Turn your head. Jason: You're just going to feel a little pressure. Bryan: That's right, just you got a little pressure here. Jason: When your proctologist puts both hands on your shoulders. Bryan: Yeah. Let's switch gears a little bit. Jason: Alright. Bryan: Last week we mentioned a some shit between Sean Ryan and the Leah Files. Right? And Jason: Yeah. Bryan: and I'm still not completely sure what all the issues are regarding this interview. Jason: I need to go. I need to go listen to that. Bryan: I did. And Jason: And they say, a lot of people say she's crazy, but then he had a lot of his employees leave, right over this. Bryan: I don't know. I didn't even look into that. Jason: That's what they're saying. A lot of his employees left and somebody's offering them jobs now. Bryan: Well, I just see that all this shit going back and forth online about Sean Ryan and Leah File, so I I wanted to listen and we talked about it briefly last week. And I told you last week, I don't know who the fuck to believe. so I figured I'd listen to it. And Jason: I thought he was a stand-up dude. Bryan: I I still don't see any reason why he's not. I don't know. I didn't Jason: Right. Bryan: dig any further to him besides listening to this interview. And I I still I don't know what the issues were. With the interview. I don't. But I can tell you this, it was awkward as fuck. And it was. It was like really fucking awkward. It it was like it was like you're on your first date and you don't know what to talk about. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: That's how the interview was. It was like no flow, no direction. And and Jason: That's crazy. Cause you think that there would have been a script. Bryan: Well yeah, and I I don't know what was wrong. I and I don't blame either one of them. It was just a bad interview. And I don't I don't know if it was because cause they said I've I've heard that she was limited on what she can talk about. I don't know if she was worried about Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I don't know if it was that. Jason: So that she couldn't be herself. It just came out weird or something. Yeah. Yeah. Bryan: I don't know if he didn't want to do the interview because I heard that he didn't want to do the interview, so maybe he didn't put a whole lot into it. Jason: Right. Bryan: But just listening to it. Jason: Kind like if he didn't have any buy-in like you've, you've Bryan: Yeah. Jason: experienced that at work where, know, your boss didn't have buy-in to something. They're trying to give you something. You're like, come on, dude, this feels weird as hell. Bryan: And just from what I listened to, and I listened to the whole thing that, you know, that he put out there, I would have had reservations about Aaron. I Jason: Right. Bryan: would have because it was just it was just a bad interview. You know? And I don't think either side did anything wrong. I I I don't. I think it was just awkward. Jason: Right. Bryan: It was. It was really fucking awkward. But I don't feel like either side was combative. I don't feel like either either one of was untruthful. Jason: She's claiming that the blues going to win, right? They're going to sweep this election. That's what, that's, that's a rumor I heard. Bryan: I hear a lot of people saying that. how you would look at that as An an attacker for that. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: I I don't because I think most people are saying that. Does it make sense? I I think the consensus is that the Democrats are gonna win more than the Republicans in the midterms. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: I think that's the consensus. If she's saying that, I don't know how that's a problem. A lot of people are saying that. So why would they single her out? Jason: I don't know why, then where were they getting weird with this then? Bryan: I don't know. I d I don't see it in the in the whole thing other than the fact it was just a awkward conversation. Jason: Right. Bryan: So I I don't know. I don't know what I missed. I did learn one thing in the interview. There was this site called Have You Been Flocked. And this website is set up so you can enter your license plate number and it'll tell you if your plate is in the flock system. It'll even give you, you know, where your plate was recorded. And if I remember correctly, it may even give you like a brief description as to why it was recorded. So that is called Have You Been Flocked. You check that out online. I checked mine. But it it didn't show anything. Just thought I would share that out there. So that's one thing I learned during that interview. But it was an awkward fucking interview. And so let's talk about the midterms and voting. This is a question I have. Do you think it's better to vote when you have no idea who the candidates are and just no clue about what you're voting for, or just not vote at all? Jason: I don't know, Bryan: Do you vote when you don't know who to vote for? Jason: Sometimes I haven't voted much, but sometimes yes. Bryan: And how do you make your pick that way? Jason: It's hard. Bryan: It just Jason: I usually go red. I'm not going to lie. I usually do if I don't know. Bryan: How do you do about your propositions when they put propositions on proposition one and proposition two and all this shit? How do you pick that stuff? Jason: I tried to read it, man, but some of that shit's so damn deep. You know what I'm saying? so much shit. Bryan: yeah. The reason I'm asking, we have what's called the GoApp in Louisiana, Jason: Yeah, right. Bryan: and it'll explain the proposition to you in layman's terms and give you a little short answer. And I guess you could do that with AI and run the stuff through there and see exactly what it is. So your answer is you you vote anyway. Jason: Yes, because Bryan: Okay. Jason: I'm already in there. I'm going to mark it up. Bryan: All right, so I found the vote anyway crowd. They state it's your right and duty. Sit it out and you hand your decision over to everyone else. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: I can see that. They state also even a low info vote shows you're in the game and might push parties to care about people like you. Uninformed voters can water down the loud extremes who always show up. And then Nobody is fully informed. The only expert should vote standard is unrealistic and elitist. And then the don't vote if you have no idea crowd. Y vote is power over other people, using it while clueless is irresponsible. Blind votes add pure noise and can cancel out people who actually know the issues. Real data shows low info voters often. fact policies in candidates they would reject with basic facts. Then skip what you don't understand. There's no virtue in casting a completely uninformed ballot. You agree with those? Jason: Probably should. Bryan: So you saying if you don't know what you're voting for not to vote? Jason: I'd say, yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm going to say you probably shouldn't. mean, Bryan: I'm conflicted, that's why I'm asking. Jason: we've talked about this before. If you don't know what you're talking about, you shut up. Right. Bryan: Yeah, but you vote is your right. So you have a right to vote and you should Jason: You have a right, but I think you need to be educated in what you're voting for. So maybe that's on us. We need to be better prepared when we go in the voting booth. Bryan: I agree with that. I I find that though if you telling somebody that you shouldn't vote because you don't know that you know what you're voting for, I think that is just wrong. Now Jason: Right. But what do we say? We're tired of picking between blue and red. Right. Bryan: Mm-hmm. Jason: So there we go. Doing that when I don't know the difference between these two people here, I just vote one way or the other, because I'm only given two choices. Bryan: No, I agree with you. And that's why I'm Jason: And they're either blue or they're red. And instead of being here, here's three people and me being educated to the point of which one I feel represents me the best. I'm just voting for a color. We've talked about that and that's not the right Bryan: No, I agree with you. Jason: way to be. Bryan: I think a lot of people do that. They just make it easy on themselves. And that's how we're set up as a country is to make it easy on ourselves to pick your team. I agree with that. Jason: Right. Yeah. So I don't think that you, somebody telling you not to vote. If you don't understand what you're voting for is taking away your right. I think that's actually good advice. I really do. Don't say something if you don't know what you're talking about. That's the, that's the same thing. I kind of like keep your mouth shut. Bryan: So did did you vote? Jason: Yes. Bryan: Did you vote for what you knew? So you should have shut your mouth. I know. I'm just fucking I'm just fucking with you. I see, I don't know what to do Jason: Not always. Yes. I just said that earlier. I probably should have. No, I probably should have. I'm not going to argue that. Bryan: right now. I I my problem right now is I don't like the candidate. Now I'm I Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: wanna vote my local stuff because that stuff affects me. But there's a lot of candidates on there for the state that I just don't like. Either Jason: Right. Bryan: one. Jason: Right. Bryan: So I'm conflicted. Do I vote anyway? Do I do I toss a coin? I'll still go vote my local stuff, but do I what do I vote on this one? Do I have to fill out the complete ballot? I don't know. I'm conflicted on that. So that's why I figured out what that's Jason: Well, sorry, if you don't, it's going to go through anyways. mean, somebody's going to win and I'm not trying to make that as in, you, you might as well. You know what I'm saying? But at the same time, I don't know. Maybe we need to get a hold of Chauncey and get that dude on here that was talking about the. No, I don't think they Bryan: I'm good. Jason: listened to us. Anyways. I don't think they, that one people said we are, our show was beautifully put together. Like, what are you watching? Bryan: Mm-hmm. Jason: I'm just kidding. I'm a, I'm not, I'm being serious, but I'm just kidding too. But anyways, I mean, it's, I'm being kidding serious. Bryan: I'm being I'm being kitten serious. I'm being kitten serious. Jason: no, I mean, it's. You're right. They don't give us a whole lot to pick from. It'd be nice to get a lineup of better choices and we don't. It's like we're always picking the lesser of two evils in our mind. And we've said that, right? Bryan: That's that's where we're at. Jason: I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton because of what I felt she did to those cats in Benghazi. Bryan: it's odd you said that 'cause I was reading some more on Benghazi earlier today and it's like, Man, I got we gotta do an episode on Benghazi. That is just so fucked. Jason: Well, from what I'm seeing or whatever, there was some weapons given or whatever and we were sent over there to retrieve them or something and it didn't go that way and people lost their lives, right? So. Bryan: That's exactly what I Jason: Yeah. Bryan: All right. Have you seen what's going on in France? Jason: No. Bryan: The protest in France? Jason: in that video, for you, here's another one guys. Y'all got to watch. Was that dude holding a pizza over a flame? Yeah. I was like, sorry. Bryan: Yeah, you saw that. Yeah. It's like he Jason: I didn't mean to get sidetracked, but that dude was eating a pizza up over a flame. That's a Bryan: cooking it on the street. Jason: yeah. That that's dude's pretty resourceful. You hear what they said there leftists. The president was, I guess every country has their left wing extremists or whatever. Bryan: Yeah, I think you got left and right wing extremists in all countries. Jason: And they're the leftists are always accused of the rioting and all that stuff. Bryan: Well, no, I think in some of the other countries, it's 'cause there's multiple countries that's having riots right now. Jason: Right. Right. Bryan: I'm trying to find the aerial one. And we're gonna we're gonna go to that in a second, but I wanna show you this aerial view of Paris. This was I think last weekend. Jason: Damn. That's a lot of people. Bryan: A lot of fucking people. Jason: Yeah, it's a lot of people. Yeah, if you're not watching this, people, y'all need to get on here. That's crazy. That's crazy. Bryan: Yeah, and it they said it the the largest and the most violent day was the government reported October seventeenth, five hundred and fifty thousand protests nationwide. Unions estimated around eight hundred thousand on that day. Jason: That's crazy. Bryan: Then the next weekend they estimated around eight hundred thousand again. They Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: said the protest in Paris alone had anywhere from a hundred and ten to two hundred and fifty thousand. I think the video showed two hundred thousand. Justifying comparison. George Floyd protest biggest days was fifty thousand to eighty thousand. That was in Houston was around sixty thousand and Philly was between fifty and eighty thousand. Paris had between a hundred and ten and two hundred and fifty thousand. Jason: crazy. Bryan: Now the overall BLM was bigger, but that Paris one was bigger than any one event. And as the last report I seen today before we started recording, the protest was estimated for Halloween at three hundred and twenty thousand nationwide. I this ain't the only protest. They got Germany, Albania, Italy having some of the same similar protests. And then I watched a video earlier on X where a police officer was set on fire by a Moltoff cocktail in Italy. You see Jason: See, that's not, mean, dude, you want to protest, that's fine, but man, stop damn hurting the police. Stop it. I don't care what country Bryan: Yeah, I you don't see him Jason: you're at. Bryan: catch on fire, but you see the Maltov cocktail like hit by him and then you see Jason: Yeah. Bryan: a flame go up on him and then you can see the flame moving so he's he's on fire. But yeah. Jason: That's sick, man. That's wrong. Yeah, stop. Just stop. You got the right to protest and to voice your opinion. Stop. Bryan: But seems like everyone's had enough of being fucked by their governments. Jason: They are, but stop injuring other people. Yeah. Bryan: No, I no, the police thing I ain't getting. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. But I think people just starting to have enough. that started at school, education systems. They were talking about how they had to cram all these kids into classrooms because there wasn't enough teachers. Jason: Mm-hmm. Bryan: And so now one of the concessions was they were gonna have some more substitute teachers. And they're like, no, well, it it went from teachers to yeah, a lot of these now are because of cost of living and shit. And I hate to say it, but we're part of the cost of living problem. We discussed that in the last episode. Yeah. So Jason: Yeah, the energy crisis and all that. Because it affects everything. It affects food and everything. Bryan: Everything. A couple more things before we wrap up and he's on couple more things on Trump. We learned that Trump is a nast man this week. And Jason: Mmm. Bryan: I can't say I blame him, but damn, sometimes, you know, the shit that he says and does just Jason: I'm an ass man, I told you that earlier. Bryan: I've I've been an ass man my whole life, but I don't know Jason: I'm a sucker for a nice butt, sorry. Bryan: Listen to this and we'll see. We'll see what you think. I give give me your honest opinion on that speech. Jason: If I'm his wife, I'm a little upset that he's bringing up Nicki Minaj. Bryan: Yeah, he does have a beautiful wife. But Nicki Minaj was on stage, so now she does have a big ass. Jason: It doesn't matter though, but you're calling. Yeah, she does. She's got a. I think that what is it? Anaconda or something or whatever song she redid, baby got back. Bryan: I don't know. She redid it? Jason: She redid one of them songs or something. And yeah, she's got a big butt, but that's a little degrading. Isn't it to women? you done got nailed with the grabbing a girl by her coochie Bryan: Right. I agree with that. Jason: and you're already saying this thing. It's like, dude, just shut up, man. Why are you, why are you talking about a dude's ass of football players? But Bryan: Well, in this case he's different. Jason: Whatever. He just says Bryan: Yeah, I don't know, dude. I don't I don't agree. Jason: some stupid ass shit sometimes that I don't even have words for. It's like... Bryan: Well, it at least he wasn't lying to us. Jason: No, he's not up there looking like a room bud, all over the stage, Bryan: No Jason: That's about all I can say right now. He's not stumbling up and down the Air Force One stairs. Bryan: Yeah. And that's sad. Man, look but look what he's accomplishing. No, it's like but Jason: At least he ain't doing this. Bryan: yeah, at least he don't look like a cadaber, you know. Jason: Yeah. Bryan: At least at least at least he can walk. I Jason: Bye. Bryan: mean that that that's our fucking that's our standard for a fucking president these days. Jason: That's our commander in chief, Yeah. Bryan: Well least he can talk for two hours on a fucking podium. Jason: Yeah, without reading a teleprompter and all, talking about some girl's hairy legs. Bryan: my God, what this is this is where we're at. All right, so one more. Jason: Alright. Bryan: I think you're gonna enjoy this one. earlier this week, Fox was at a Trump rally, and they came across this what they thought was a Trump supporter, and that's why he was there. And his answer caught the reporter off guard. Let's check this out. That dude Jason: Damn. Bryan: didn't give a fuck, Jason: No, he didn't. Bryan: huh? Yeah ain't nothing like seeing a colt Jason: Yeah, the Jones Jones, how massacre dude, dad, gosh, dang. Bryan: That's a hell of a comparison, huh? Jason: I know. Bryan: I'm t I told you last week when we was talking about it that we're not the same kind of white. I'm serious. That is the truth. T-R-U-F-F Jason: Yeah. Bryan: truth. The truth. Jason: That dude's speaking the truth right there. Bryan: He's speaking the truth. Jason: Yeah, because I meant some people are like that though, They make it a cult. Bryan: yeah. It makes it a huge fucking cult following I yeah. Jason: Well, no, we've seen it in our comments people. That's fine. If you want to comment, you got the right to comment all you want. We will take any comments you got, but damn. I'm just trying to understand your train of thought. Bryan: See, y I go to a lot of concerts and I and I like a lot of bands, Jason: I know. Bryan: but I don't love any band to where I'm gonna dress up the band and all this other and but they got people that do, and Jason: yeah! Bryan: and I don't think bad of them or nothing. That's just what they love. That's what and I get that. Jason: Whatever that movie was with Mark Wahlberg where he ends up being the lead singer of that band. Right. Because they did a cover or whatever and he would go to that band. It's a gosh, dang dude. You need to watch some movies. Damn. But people just Bryan: I didn't see that either. I don't watch movies. Jason: live in that. Like they're part of it. Like we Bryan: Yeah. Jason: were talking sports teams. Bryan: Exactly. And well, now you got the same with politicians. And that's weird to me though, because I Jason: Yeah, it's like, yes. Bryan: don't think you should idolize a politician. And don't get me wrong, that's just how I think. Because Jason: Right. Bryan: now there's a lot of people that are so heavy into politics, their kids gonna be a politician, their dad was a and that's what they idolize. I get that, I understand that. Jason: Right. Bryan: But I don't think the average person Jason: Right. Bryan: can really understand that. I just don't. a hard working person I don't think really will ever understand a politician. Jason: That was hilarious though. Bryan: I loved it. I thought that dude did great. I thought he did great. So that's that's the Trump cult. When Jason: Yup. Bryan: I seen that, I'm like, that's how I felt. Jason: Yes. Well, when you went. Bryan: yeah. When I was arguing with that guy, I was like, motherfucker, these people over Jason: Yeah. Damn. Bryan: here think that's like is their dad or something they arguing about. Well, Jason: Yeah. Yeah. Bryan: if you got something out of this, like, share, follow, subscribe. Want to reach out to us, drop us a line at the sense and senseless podcast at outlook.com. As always, it's been a pleasure spending time with you. We appreciate every single one of you. Jason, you got anything? Jason: No, I'm good. Bryan: All right. Until next time, this is the Sense and Senseless Podcast. I'm Bryan.. Here's Jason: I'm Jason. Bryan: Jason. Until next time, deuce us. Jason: Peace.