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Brian Deegan Has Lived An Incredible Life! · Kenny Wallace Media

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  All right. Well, before I introduce my
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  guest, I know what you're all going to say.
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  Herman, where are you at? I am at Brother Rusty's house,
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  and he's got some badass stuff in the background.
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  I hope it's not too blinding to you.
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  He's got some killer trophies in the background.
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  All right, listen, I'm jacked up on Mountain Dew about this one.
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  I've had my eye on this man that you're looking at for a long
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  time. Basically the greatest
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  freestyle. I'd say motorcycle slash
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  athlete. Just complete badass.
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  The great Brian, Deegan Brian, welcome to Kenny conversation.
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  Yeah, yeah. Thanks for having me.
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  I have you know seen you around many years had our conversations
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  and and I feel like yeah it's good that we could get together
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  and actually have a a talk about I'm sure a lot of interesting
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  things. So done a few things in my life
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  as you have so met a lot of interesting people So it's yeah,
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  it's been pretty cool so far. You're you're a lot more
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  interesting than me and you listen I admire you that's my
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  disclaimer. So I'm.
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  I'm. I'm a big fan.
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  You're awfully young. What are you you're 49 years old
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  and you've already you've already done it all man.
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  One thing I, I, I noticed when I first met you is I feel like you
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  and I are are kind of the same. I was diagnosed hyperactive.
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  They had me on Ritalin and I notice when I hang around and
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  you're kind of twitching all over the place like like me, and
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  I feel like, I feel like you're my brother, man.
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  Did they have you on Ritland or anything?
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  No. Well, you know, I grew up in
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  Nebraska, small town. My dad ran the school system and
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  he was one in this town in Nebraska, and he was the
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  Superintendent of the school system.
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  And so he was always, he grew up on a farm.
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  So they they didn't believe in anything like any of that.
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  It was like you're just going to figure it out.
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  You're just weird, man. We're going to deal with treat
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  you like an old cow. Yeah, usually.
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  I just got a lot of, probably a lot of spankings from my mom.
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  Yeah, well, me too. My my dad beat my ass and my
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  mom, my mom would say come over here so I can slap you.
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  And I went older to slap me. Yeah, that's my mom for sure.
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  I'll never do that again. Yeah.
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  Yeah. So, Brian, I want to brag on you
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  right off the top. So your fans, I mean, I know
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  your fan base is 1,000,000. What you got going on is big.
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  But for a lot of people inside NASCAR that might not know about
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  you, Terminator is going to put his two hundreds on because I'm
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  60 years old. Yeah, they're.
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  Coming. Mine are coming soon.
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  All right, let's go at it. Brian Deegan, 49 years old, the
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  most recognizable name in action sports.
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  That's pretty bad ass freestyle motorcycle rider and we're going
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  to get to the Global Rallycross later on.
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  You went to four wheels around 2010, but first to ever do the
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  twisting Backflip 360 in competition.
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  The first ever to do something so wild. 10 medals in the X
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  Games, 2 gold, 7 bronze and the only rider.
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  Now this is the one that you, if I got it right.
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  OK, you are the only rider to compete in one event in every X
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  game ever. Is that right?
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  Yeah, that's a pretty crazy stat considering all the injuries we
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  went through. So, you know, Pastrana was my
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  main nemesis, You know Travis and he really helped along, you
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  know, with me and Metzger, a few other names to build the sport,
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  to create it. And when you create a sport,
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  there's a lot of innovation. So man, there was a lot of
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  injuries, a lot of crashes, learning how to flip a dirt
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  bike, you know, learning how to spin it, all this stuff.
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  And man, you just get hurt a lot.
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  And that was before the phone pits.
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  So, you know, there was a lot of injuries.
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  But somehow I figured out, I just knew I had to be at X Games
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  every year for the, for the media.
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  I've always understood media and I've always understood the value
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  of it. So I just did everything I could
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  never to miss X Games because we didn't have, there was no phones
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  then, like there wasn't social media.
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  And so that was our moment to shine, You know, like it's it's
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  like you don't want to miss the Daytona 500 probably, right.
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  No way. Right.
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  Yeah. I want to add one more thing on
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  to this. You're you're the Co founder of
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  the Metal Militia clothing line, which is incredible, Is that
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  right? Yeah that was a big big movement
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  there in on the in the early 2000s kind of along with like No
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  Fear and action sports and all the movements and there's a lot
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  of brands that popped up in action sports at the time and we
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  had me and a couple buddies just really put that name on our
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  group of guys and it started it still is that today.
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  Like it's just kind of if you ever looked at watch skate back
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  in the day with Tony Hawk and and the it's called the Bones,
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  the Bones Brigade and and they were the original like group.
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  It's just a they're a group of skaters and it went on to be
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  this legendary thing in a movie later.
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  But either way my point is we had our group of guys that we've
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  had our own facility called the Compound Freestyle Motocross
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  Jumps and in a Long story short we pretty much invented all that
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  stuff back in the late 90s and and we that name on our group
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  and and it was just a group of friends and and having fun
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  riding dirt bikes rebel guys on dirt bikes wearing wearing black
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  you know and that was kind of the the old style and and and it
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  blew up and like everyone kind of got a or did get attracted to
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  it and then ESPN ran with it and Travis was really really was the
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  good guy back then young all American kid we were more of the
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  rebel guys in black and and he's good versus evil that old saying
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  and and man so anyway that thing blew up and we and I figured out
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  through business and marketing and and how to create the
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  clothing line and and turn it into this big business and it
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  went on to make stupid money and and I you know end up licensing
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  it. It's a big it's a big
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  corporation and I learned a lot in business.
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  It taught me I, you know I never went to college and it's just I
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  think I've learned more than any guy in college when it comes to
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  business marketing and business law everything you because you
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  know you have the goods and the bads and anyway it was a it was
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  a good run and it's still going today.
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  It's still a 7 figure online business which is crazy that has
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  stood this. I mean it's been around I don't
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  know how long is it, that's like since 99 it started so you know
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  almost 25 years now. So it's crazy.
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  Yeah, well I watched the videos, I watched it and I said, man,
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  what a gangly, bad ass hardcore group.
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  I mean, the things you all were doing with motorcycles were
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  incredible. Now I got, you know, Kenny
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  conversation. We we call all these audibles,
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  you know, we go every which way. So you've already brought up so
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  much and I just want to piggyback on something you
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  brought up. Now this was from Jamie Little.
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  We talked to Jamie a week ago and she says when this is what
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  Jamie said, and I want you to respond to it, she said When you
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  first came in, Brian Deegan was this quiet, independent guy, won
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  a race and then created this character, like this attitude.
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  And she said every once in a while she felt like she could
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  get the old Brian. But she said you became this
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  character. Is she right?
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  Yeah, I get. I get, 'cause she was, she's
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  been around our, our scene with action sports since the
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  beginning. She was one of the ones that
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  helped really build it, too, with with her, you know, social
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  or with her marketing and her by announcing and and commentating.
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  So that is true. Because I did come from, you
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  know, a small town in Nebraska. You know, I had those roots.
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  You know, I went through very tough times when my mom left
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  when I was about 10 or 11, just got up and took off, and I was
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  more mama's boy than my dad was at work every day.
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  Buddy, I'm sorry about that. Yeah, but that's life you know.
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  And and my my dad was stern like business guy, you know.
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  It wasn't very emotional. Never, you know, it wasn't I
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  love you or nothing like that. It was just like business.
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  But he was very, very caring and you know, really saw because I
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  loved racing. So he took me racing.
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  But my point is I end up doing a documentary called Bloodline
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  eventually with Paul Tobley who who is really good at doing
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  documentaries usually through Monster Energy And and it told
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  the story of of the small town kid coming out to the California
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  to chase his dream and my backdrop of where I why I was
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  who I was. You know, I went through a lot
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  of really tough family things I didn't realize till later and it
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  and it hardened me. You know, it wasn't till later
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  that I had a family later that I was around a stable, stable
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  family members and stable parents and that I realized what
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  I had gone through as a young as a young age.
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  And and it did, it did scar me and it did make me hard.
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  And so like you know I me being that character, the the
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  character, the bad guy, I think it was real at that air of my
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  life and and I think I really was on a bad one.
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  I really was angry and I was really taking it out on the
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  world. And then that's how wide this
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  group fit me at the time. And you go through different
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  chapters in life and and I feel like that was one of my
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  chapters. And yes, there was still this
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  kid inside me that, you know, wanted to have fun and be be
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  nice and and you know, get the best out of people.
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  And I feel like that was always in me.
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  But I did go through a run of about 10 years where we were on
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  a mission like we're we're burning a lot of bridges.
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  So that was like, yeah, part of that era, you know?
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  But man, you've you've done so good.
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  So you, you've done what I call. You've overcome, prevailed.
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  You made yourself don't know where your mom's at.
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  That's a whole nother conversation, buddy.
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  She she'd be proud of you and and if she ain't she's missing
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  out because you've done all this on your own and that that leads
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  me to this basically. And straighten me out.
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  I I feel like it. And you gave credit to Travis
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  Pastrana too. Do you ever remember that time?
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  I mean, because I remember I was born in 1963 and I had never
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  heard of X Games in my life and and I remember when it started.
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  So in my opinion, you guys started a new sport.
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  Do you, do you remember when you said to yourself, holy crap, you
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  know, there's baseball, there's football and we're starting a
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  new sport. Do you?
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  Do you ever remember? Do you?
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  Remember that time for sure. Tell me about that.
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  I I grew up racing dirt bikes. Supercross, motocross.
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  I was a privateer, which basically means I didn't have
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  the OEM support and I went to California, brought my dirt bike
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  when I graduated high school. I just I didn't have much money
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  at all. I had to live on my race
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  winnings and I just chased that dream for like 2-3 years.
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  I got I got on a a support team. I I wanted to be a factory rider
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  so bad and and I just worked super hard.
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  I remember training every day. It's the one thing I could do
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  with that I didn't take a lot of money is I just really worked
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  hard and and end up going and getting finally had a chance to
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  be a factory rider. They ended up giving the ride to
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  someone else and it really upset me and I and I had a bad
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  attitude for sure. Like I didn't have a good
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  attitude. I wasn't the social guy to cool.
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  That was cool to everyone. I was more like why?
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  Why not, Why not me. You know that attitude and and
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  so everyone passed me out and and I got really upset and
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  that's when I end up teaming up with team Moto Triple X which is
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  this edgy punk rock team, went out won the LA Supercross ghost,
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  rode my bike over the finish and kind of I just kind of in
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  fashion. I just heard this about your
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  boy. That that word right there.
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  Ghost Rd. Ghost Rd., the bike which is I I
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  don't know I you guess you can comparably say maybe like
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  Chastain railing the wall or something that just you know it
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  wasn't legal you're just like yeah whatever.
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  And so that's kind of the my was my going out of racing moment
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  and then I went, we were started doing tricks on dirt bikes at
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  that point. So we were out in the hills
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  doing like, you know these BMX trips tricks on our dirt bikes,
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  but over like 100 foot jumps, big dirt jumps.
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  That's the videos I watched. I was amazed.
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  Yeah, so that's the original video series that helped launch
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  Action Sports, which was Crested Demons of Dirt.
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  Their original VHS tapes is showing the riders partying
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  having fun, the real stuff behind the scenes and not just
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  the racing. And those videos blew up like
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  every everyone had those videos. And so then once that started
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  that movement started going of us doing that.
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  I started getting offers from companies to pay like
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  sponsorship deals from like Etny shoes and you know a Volcom by
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  back then Volcom was just starting And so they're they're
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  often to pay me just to be a free rider and I'm like man this
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  is crazy like and so I thought OK this I can't make a living on
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  this money but it's at least keeping me going.
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  And then we created this freestyle park in our buddy's
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  yard and ESPN end up calling and said hey we want you to create
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  bring that to X Games and make an event.
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  So as a group you know everyone put it together did the judging
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  system and brought it to to San Francisco 99 X Games.
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  When I showed up there and rolled in and you see our
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  freestyle park on the Bay and next to BMX skate Tony Hawk and
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  and mirror Nyquist and and I used to watch those guys because
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  X Games. X Games was on since 95.
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  So we came in at 99. Those guys were already heroes.
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  Like, I already thought like these dudes are big time that
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  have been in action sports and so we we show up and do
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  thousands of fans, man. And and I was like, we started
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  riding and they all came running to where we were, 'cause our
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  jumps were massive and like it, it dwarfed everything.
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  And the dirt bikes, the dirt bikes revving and they all came
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  running and and that's when I started riding that event.
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  I'm like, dude, we've done it. This is it.
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  Like we freaking are on the cusp and probably the biggest thing
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  to ever hit dirt bikes right now and and it's Snowball.
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  And that's when I met. That's when I met Mark Hall who
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  originally went on to create Monster that that day and he
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  came to me he's like hey do you want could I sponsor you with
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  Hanson's energy and and I and I was like we were anti corporate
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  all in black like kind of skater vibe like you know F everyone
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  and and he and I'm like no I can't I don't want to have some
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  corporate cheesy sponsor on my bike you know.
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  You really were a rebel. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  I don't want your money. Yeah.
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  And that and that was anti like we were anti because we were the
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  militia and we were like so so anyway it turned into he could
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  he was turned up being a really nice dude and he was like hey
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  he's like I can pay you. And I and I, we were just
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  getting by barely and and like we hadn't started making the big
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  money yet and and and he's like I can give you 2500 bucks a
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  month and I was like what I was like.
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  That was like big money. I was like.
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  We could party on that. That's like good money.
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  And so I ended up going to meet with him and we talked about
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  everything and he ended up putting Hansen's energy like a
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  helmet. Did a helmet for me with
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  Hansen's Energy on it, which was one of the first energy drink
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  deals done period in the sport. Which later moved on a year
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  later to taste testing drinks and and Logan designs in those
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  meetings with Mark. And it turned into Monster
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  Energy because they wanted a more edgy brand.
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  I mean, you really were there from the beginning.
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  From the very beginning was the first athlete.
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  They printed graphics for me, put them on my bike.
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  They were like off color. They weren't really with the
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  correct color yet and it was in the beginnings of the whole
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  movement of that of the drink. So yeah, that was, I mean that's
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  one chapter, one chapter in the story.
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  But yeah, it's like when that was happening, we were started
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  making good money and it it's like we made it, man.
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  We we made, we've created this and we made it like it was.
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  That was the movement, you know? I I think what my take away from
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  that is, is you guys started being gnarly big jumps and you
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  said the whole crowd left the skateboarders and ran over to
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  you. Yeah.
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  What was that a pivotal moment you you obviously you talk about
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  it. Do you think that's the moment
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  that you became bigger than what they had going on?
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  Yes, I feel like we we sold the show for.
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  Sure. Yeah.
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  That's what I mean. Yeah.
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  Yeah, we. Sold the show and we knew how to
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  run with it, right? Like, yeah, give me one SEC, my
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  little dogs. No, you're fine, man.
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  The dog dogs are great part of the show.
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  Don't. Don't.
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  That's it. Hey people, like a Look inside
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  your life And what's that dog's name?
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  Come here, Audie. This is my wife's little dog.
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  Come here. Let.
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  Me See that there's there's one of your boys.
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  For. That.
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  Yeah. Hey, I I even followed up on
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  you, buddy. You're going to be a motocross,
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  aren't you? Motocross what?
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  Are you going to do? I'm not the good one.
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  Now, hold on, hold on. You all start with H What do you
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  you got? You got Haley Hayden.
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  You're Hudson. You're 12 years old, right?
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  14. 14 Now I'm two years behind. I think you're don't say you're
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  not good. I I think you're good.
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  You're going to be good at whatever you decide to do.
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  Yeah, no, he's into a lot of things.
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  We we did, we did the dirt bike stuff with him for a while.
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  I had a couple of big crashes that were pretty scary and and
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  he does a lot of stuff with. He's building an online store
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  now and and he's really into marketing and the sales of
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  everything, so. You're you're going to be what
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  we call the bean counter. You're going to control all your
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  family's money? Yeah, So he may actually be the
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  one that's the smart one, so. So, so anyway, first of all,
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  thank thanks for letting us see your youngest one.
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  That's pretty cool. So you you accidentally go to
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  school, you don't know you're in school, doesn't make sense.
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  And you create this social media empire.
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  YouTube slash YouTube. I talked to your daughter.
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  You allowed me to interview Haley, you know, last year, and
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  she gave you all the credit. She said My dad, you know,
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  started all this. Tell me about this moment.
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  And then you talked about the VH tapes, you know, years ago.
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  Tell me about this moment that you understood the power of
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  YouTube and in creating all these shows.
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  I admire you. And we're all doing.
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  We're all following you now. We really.
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  Are, Yeah. I feel like YouTube was
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  something we got into. I mean this had to be 2010 is
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  kind of when we we were on we were on the road and I spend so
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  much time with my kids taking them to the races.
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  It's really started. I had to almost forfeit my
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  career because I was racing rally cars off road trucks.
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  You know my budget. There are 7 figure budgets to go
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  race. So I mean it was big it was big
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  legit deals and and I mean that's something I could still
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  be doing to this day. You know it's, you know in cars
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  you can race to. You know you can race till
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  you're, you know a lot older. And I'm sixty.
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  Yeah, yeah exactly. And if.
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  You don't I. Hey, if you have the name and
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  you have what you've built, you know you can just keep racing
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  and people love to see you. So my point is I really
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  sacrificed a lot of that to go focus on my kids development in
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  their racing and and so along the way I'm like how can we tell
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  this story you know and how can I keep my sponsors happy that
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  we're still putting out media we're still making a value
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  because originally on my values were always in competing in
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  racing or or doing X Games. And so I thought OK my marketing
• 21:47
  mind's spinning. I'm like well we got to create a
• 21:49
  show on YouTube that tells the story of of how I'm you know
• 21:54
  traveling the United States with the kids and building this
• 21:57
  racing careers and and with Haley and and that started with
• 22:02
  the cars and then Hayden was in the motocross and and people
• 22:06
  really jumped into it and they you know enjoyed hearing the
• 22:09
  story because it was a unique race family story and which we
• 22:13
  see a lot of in our world. But it was it was enough to get
• 22:18
  views and enough to turn enough money to help offset the you
• 22:23
  know the loss of sponsorships and race wins to keep the
• 22:27
  machine going, you know and just keep going to the races and and
• 22:31
  you know it was just turned into a good system.
• 22:34
  So either way it helped us build a strong YouTube presence very
• 22:37
  strong social media platforms which you know years ago.
• 22:40
  I just know I remember just remember hearing many times like
• 22:44
  so and I listen to Gary Vee and other just a lot of other
• 22:47
  talking successful men on podcast.
• 22:51
  I got really into the podcast thing for a little while and
• 22:54
  just so I just really knew that everyone's preaching the power
• 22:57
  of social media, the power of content.
• 22:59
  And that was 10 years ago and I said, OK, I'm going to go down
• 23:02
  that path and we have that content for 10.
• 23:05
  I have hard drives or just content, so which will be
• 23:08
  valuable forever and and you know, so anyhow that was kind of
• 23:13
  our movement with YouTube. It's still going on our channel,
• 23:15
  the deacons, that's our family channel.
• 23:18
  Haley's with Don, her channel. And then we created an another
• 23:22
  channel called Deegan's Unleashed, which was just more
• 23:25
  throwing crap at the wall. See what works, what doesn't,
• 23:28
  and just kind of for fun. So that's kind of our movement.
• 23:32
  It it's incredibly entertaining. You're the innovator.
• 23:36
  I want to say something strange to you.
• 23:38
  I think it's a little strange, but I want you to comment on it.
• 23:41
  So years ago, my brother Mike Wallace shared something with
• 23:45
  me. And you know, years ago you had
• 23:48
  traveling circuses and it was called Barnum Bailey.
• 23:52
  And the man that created, the man that created Barnum Bailey,
• 23:55
  he says, and here's the quote. And I want you to comment on
• 23:59
  this. You know what happens when we
• 24:01
  don't advertise this? Deep pause, nothing.
• 24:06
  And then, you know, Barnum Bailey.
• 24:09
  So I like what you're saying there because you're saying
• 24:13
  that, you know, through the ups and downs, you, you're
• 24:16
  advertising your family, you're keeping your family out there.
• 24:19
  And if you don't do any of that, nothing happens.
• 24:24
  What do you think about that, that that phrase he said you
• 24:27
  know, 100 years ago, Nothing happens if you don't advertise
• 24:32
  yourself. Yeah, and I agree.
• 24:34
  I've always understood the power of marketing and once I got to
• 24:38
  California and was trying to make it racing and the racing
• 24:42
  wasn't working for me, I just couldn't get the good equipment
• 24:46
  and whatever the reasons were And I just saw there's another
• 24:51
  value in the marketing and as in selling your image and building
• 24:55
  this persona. And so that to me became super
• 24:59
  relevant. And as my kids started racing,
• 25:03
  I'm like, OK, how do you become a top racer, a good racer, and
• 25:07
  have the marketing asset to it too?
• 25:09
  Because those are the two things you need and and if you can have
• 25:12
  both of those, you're going to be the most valuable.
• 25:15
  And so that's why I really try to push into the marketing
• 25:19
  aspect of but there's, you know, with the family, it's it's a
• 25:22
  fine line. You know you only, you don't
• 25:24
  only want to show so much you want to show.
• 25:26
  Like for me, I just showed a lot of stuff at the races.
• 25:28
  I try not to do too much personal life, a little bit here
• 25:32
  there, you know, which now I think it's become more and now
• 25:35
  the kids are older. So it's yeah, it's the most
• 25:39
  valuable thing I think in Motorsports besides winning and
• 25:42
  because there's only one winner race, you know, and the rest
• 25:45
  have to figure out how to get their name out there.
• 25:47
  So, yeah, yeah, I think marketing is probably the most
• 25:51
  important thing in in in business.
• 25:53
  Well, you know, I have people come up to me all the time, you
• 25:58
  know, and they say my my kids won 8 championships.
• 26:02
  He's 8 years old. And I said, I tell him, I said
• 26:05
  get in line because the young thing is now normal.
• 26:08
  You know, like I said, I'm older than you, but years ago, you
• 26:12
  know, here's Jeff Gordon at 8 years old running a full blown
• 26:16
  Sprint car. Now now they're all eight years
• 26:20
  old running full blown. So it's like how do you stand
• 26:22
  out? And I I this is a statement I
• 26:25
  believe you have done the best job in the world at at you're a
• 26:32
  winning family. You all win.
• 26:34
  You're a winner your your daughter your boys you all win.
• 26:39
  So I just want to let you know you know that and I know I keep
• 26:45
  saying it but you're an innovator man and that's why I I
• 26:47
  appreciate you being on Kenny conversation you're so listen I
• 26:51
  want, I want to turn a little not dark, but I don't want you
• 26:55
  to get mad at me. I want to take a shot at this.
• 26:59
  You know you made World News when when you had a really bad
• 27:02
  wreck. You know you had a near fatal
• 27:06
  accident is what what the story reads.
• 27:08
  I read the articles and after attempting A backflip you lost a
• 27:13
  kidney and four pints of blood. And I don't want this to be a
• 27:18
  long question, but I just want to say this.
• 27:19
  I see what a good Christian man you are, and I see how beautiful
• 27:25
  you are to your family. It is said that that wreck where
• 27:30
  you almost killed yourself change you.
• 27:33
  Tell me about that time. Yeah, for sure.
• 27:36
  It's it's a moment in my a moment in time.
• 27:40
  But it was one of the most pivotal moments and I had.
• 27:44
  I'd grown up in a small town, went to church on the weekends.
• 27:47
  My dad would take us to a Catholic Church and and we I
• 27:52
  felt like we just went because it was a right.
• 27:54
  Like right. It just looked good like for the
• 27:56
  family to do that. I don't we there was really no
• 27:58
  ever super connection there and you know I actually dreaded
• 28:02
  going to be honest it was so boring sitting in the pews and
• 28:05
  stuff and and so it really turned me away from it.
• 28:08
  Let's be honest. Hyperactive.
• 28:10
  Yeah. And so I went out through my
• 28:12
  life. Eventually we start racing every
• 28:14
  weekend which cancelled that out and then but as always you know
• 28:20
  always intrigued by that but I went through that as you know
• 28:24
  tough times and was the rebel guy and I really pushed away
• 28:28
  from it and I and but it was you know and then I met Marisa which
• 28:33
  later became my wife and she her parents were Christian and they
• 28:38
  were real welcoming and as much as I was like the rebel guy or
• 28:41
  did whatever I did they were always always forgiving and
• 28:45
  welcoming and I was so I was intrigued by that and and so but
• 28:49
  I was still that guy and and so we went through these these
• 28:54
  years of of I think struggle really of just trying to find
• 28:59
  find my place and and then Haley you know Haley was born and then
• 29:05
  that was a big pivotal moment that I I was like man I really
• 29:10
  need to be a dad I really need to you know focus on you know
• 29:14
  that aspect because my mom leaving I just you know really
• 29:18
  taught me like you know really need to be there as a parent and
• 29:22
  and so we we go to I go and it was I would say Haley was
• 29:29
  probably 2-2 or three years old and I go to do the show MTV Viva
• 29:33
  la bam. It's a it was kind of the big
• 29:35
  thing, like Jackass style. I remember it.
• 29:37
  Videos with Johnny Knoxville and all.
• 29:40
  So they invite the militia out there to Pennsylvania to their
• 29:44
  spot. So we go out there we're all
• 29:46
  riding dirt bikes. They're they're skateboarding on
• 29:48
  the on the show and they have bands playing and and they
• 29:52
  wanted me to backflip over the band and and it was really
• 29:55
  really windy that day like crazy like crosswinds and and I wasn't
• 30:00
  going to do it. I'm like, yeah, I'm going to do
• 30:02
  it, dude. It's too, too windy and they're
• 30:04
  and they just kind of said, I thought, well, you could do it,
• 30:06
  just kind of a little pressure situation that happens and I'm
• 30:09
  like, all right, well screw it, all right.
• 30:12
  So I go for it and I flip and the bike under rotates and I hit
• 30:15
  the top of the landing like like bounce off the top of the
• 30:19
  landing and and handlebars end up hitting my stomach really
• 30:22
  hard and going up under my rib cage and popping my kidney and
• 30:26
  my spleen and basically exploding it and it ripped it
• 30:30
  off the arteries. And so I fell on the ground.
• 30:33
  I felt like I got a shot in the stomach.
• 30:34
  It was burning hot stomach started growing bleeding inside
• 30:37
  a ton. And and they had no ambulance
• 30:40
  there. And so I end up finally 45
• 30:44
  minutes later get in my fire truck like, and they take me to
• 30:48
  the hospital And at this point I'm barely barely awake like
• 30:52
  falling asleep And and I just remember like I was chewing my
• 30:56
  tongue like trying to stay awake like it was it was brutal.
• 30:59
  And I just like I knew if I fell asleep like that was it.
• 31:02
  And I and I was like laying there.
• 31:04
  I'm like just just going man is my gonna really die right now.
• 31:09
  And and and thinking about, you know, my wife, my kids at this
• 31:13
  point it was just Haley and she was 3.
• 31:16
  So we make it to the hospital emergency surgery.
• 31:19
  Like doctors are all around and they rushed me in because I
• 31:22
  didn't have much of A pulse left And and it's real light.
• 31:26
  And I go in and the doctor leans over me and just is like, hey I
• 31:29
  just remember as an Indian Dr. and I just will never forget his
• 31:32
  face and he had a mask on and he's like, I'm going to go in
• 31:36
  and and see what's going on. He's like you have very light
• 31:38
  pulse. He's like we're going to do
• 31:40
  everything we can. He's like is there anything you
• 31:42
  want to tell your family. He's And I was like Oh my gosh.
• 31:46
  This is like I'm going to die and and I and I said just tell
• 31:50
  him I love him and and I was like in that moment and I I just
• 31:55
  remember sitting like looking up and just going please God like
• 32:00
  if you're real if if this is the moment I go this is it.
• 32:05
  I'm changing. I'm all in.
• 32:07
  Like, I'm not just makes. I don't want to die.
• 32:10
  And I was like, I want to live, you know.
• 32:12
  And I was like, this will be my pivotal changing moment.
• 32:16
  And it was, dude, it's heavy. Like it's hard for me to even
• 32:19
  think about it anymore. So.
• 32:21
  I'm I'm nauseous right now. This is incredible.
• 32:23
  Keep going. Keep going.
• 32:26
  I like really think hard into it.
• 32:27
  It literally makes me tear up because because it's such a
• 32:31
  heavy moment like and I it's easy for me to move on and and
• 32:36
  have so much other stuff happen in my life.
• 32:37
  But that was probably the biggest moment of my life as far
• 32:40
  as like a reality. Like nothing becomes more real
• 32:44
  when your life's about to end right.
• 32:46
  And and not many people have that moment that helps them
• 32:51
  change, right. A lot of people have to do it
• 32:54
  just on, oh, I should change and don't don't get put into like
• 32:58
  the final moment. And so for me, that was it.
• 33:02
  And and I just prayed I was like, come to God, please.
• 33:05
  You know, I don't want to die because at that point I really
• 33:07
  thought I'm going to go under. I'm probably not going to wake
• 33:10
  up and and so I mean it was I was barely hanging on like
• 33:14
  chewing my tongue like falling like barely awake and and but I
• 33:18
  remember what he said and and so and I went to sleep and I just
• 33:23
  remember waking up and I was like Oh yes.
• 33:25
  I was just so happy that I woke up and I was in the hospital.
• 33:29
  Tubes. Tubes everywhere.
• 33:30
  They cut my stomach all the way down.
• 33:32
  They pulled all my organs out. Put them back in.
• 33:35
  Yeah. Like laid them all out to like
• 33:37
  all every organ one at a time till they find what's wrong and
• 33:41
  so and and they put everything back and I had tubes everywhere
• 33:45
  and my wife was in the room my dad was in the room.
• 33:47
  This was on the East Coast like by the that surgery was so long
• 33:51
  that they had time to fly from California to Pennsylvania and
• 33:55
  they were in the room when I woke up So that that was like it
• 33:59
  was like a 12 hour surgery so and the guy like literally after
• 34:04
  that I just called the guy at the doctor and I say hey thanks
• 34:07
  I go thanks for saved my life. I go because that was that that
• 34:10
  was a fight you know it's a I'm sure it was not easy for that
• 34:14
  many hours to to to get my body going and and so that was my
• 34:19
  that was the pivotal moment man. I just at that moment I said I'm
• 34:23
  done boom turn and we're in the hospital the story isn't done.
• 34:27
  So I'm in the hospital for weeks because the recovery in this
• 34:32
  hospital was pretty run down like wasn't top, top of the
• 34:35
  line. And my wife's like, oh man, we
• 34:37
  just got to get out of here is. And so she started feeling sick
• 34:40
  and just got really sick and then she found out she was
• 34:43
  pregnant with with Hayden in the hospital and and I'm like, man,
• 34:49
  that's crazy like imagine if things would have went the other
• 34:52
  way, right? Like.
• 34:53
  The whole moment. I just pivotal like I'm like
• 34:56
  there's too many coincidence here to just blow it off you
• 34:59
  know and and so that was every moment I was like just I feel
• 35:04
  there was God just showing me like boom, boom boom boom all
• 35:08
  these things that are important and and going OK here's your
• 35:12
  chance and so you know I went home recovering and and I'll
• 35:17
  never forget I got home and I set stitches everywhere.
• 35:20
  I was a brutal flight home and and I they they 'cause they told
• 35:24
  me not to fly home and I'm like, dude, I'm going home.
• 35:27
  They didn't even want me to leave the hospital.
• 35:29
  This is probably wasn't the smartest.
• 35:30
  I called the cab and went down and left the hospital after two
• 35:34
  weeks because I'm like I can't be in here any longer.
• 35:36
  This is is brutal. So I go down and say if you get
• 35:39
  on a flight there's a chance your insides could could start
• 35:42
  bleeding and you won't make it till you till you hit the
• 35:44
  ground. And these are things I don't
• 35:46
  really talk about. I just remember now.
• 35:47
  But so I'm like, we're going. And I remember trying to get on
• 35:52
  the flight and I looked like I look like death, like I was
• 35:55
  skinny white, like like I was like been in a hospital for two
• 35:59
  weeks. I still have my gown on.
• 36:01
  No, you did not. Yes, and they because I.
• 36:04
  Jumped in the cab and. Failed.
• 36:06
  I just pinned it one day I was like, I'm out of here boom and
• 36:09
  and they didn't want to release me and so I basically went to
• 36:13
  the airport with me and Marisa and I got on the flight and they
• 36:16
  went let me on the plane. They're like, they're like, no,
• 36:19
  What's really like, are you OK? And I'm like, yeah, I just
• 36:21
  crashed on my motorcycle and and they're like, Are you sure?
• 36:25
  I'm like, yeah. And this is kind of before it
• 36:27
  got crazy flying, you know, And and they said, OK, so they let
• 36:32
  me on the plane and I got on. I just never fly.
• 36:34
  And there's like turbulence. And I'm just laying there going
• 36:37
  on my house like, don't this is bad.
• 36:40
  And anyway, I land, get to the house.
• 36:42
  I just remember Haley hadn't seen me for a while comes
• 36:45
  running over and jumps right on my stomach and I'll never forget
• 36:49
  that and I felt because I felt so bad because she just got
• 36:54
  super scared and she started crying and.
• 36:56
  I was like. And I was scared because it
• 36:58
  jumped right on my right, on my stitches.
• 37:00
  And I was like because I just didn't want to start bleeding
• 37:02
  again. Anyway, these are all little
• 37:04
  things that are popping back to me.
• 37:06
  And that was the, you know, that was my moment, change, boom,
• 37:09
  going to church. I had a few moments before that
• 37:12
  where that were near death but it wasn't enough obviously to
• 37:15
  change and but this was so I changed that kind of basically I
• 37:19
  had to tell my friends that I hung out with that were you
• 37:22
  know, not, you know, the best quality friends like hey I'm
• 37:26
  can't hang out. I can not going to do that.
• 37:28
  I'm, you know, I'm going to go. I got to start, you know,
• 37:30
  focusing on you know what the family stuff and everything I'm
• 37:34
  doing. It was a tough one that you know
• 37:36
  after being this certain person for so long and having this
• 37:40
  whole group of people for so long.
• 37:42
  That was a tough transition but it had to be done and and there
• 37:46
  was moments that is like you know pulled me the other way.
• 37:50
  I got pulled this way and pulled that way and I felt like man
• 37:53
  there was there was a very tough battle for me.
• 37:56
  But eventually when I got through that, that was the best
• 37:58
  decision and I really started focusing on my family and and I
• 38:03
  feel like it was the the, the right, the right path, you know,
• 38:07
  and like where we are today, you know, not saying I'm perfect, by
• 38:10
  no means. I'm still make all kinds of
• 38:12
  stupid mistakes and do dumb stuff all the time.
• 38:15
  But yeah, that that was a big, pivotal moment.
• 38:19
  So that you just gave the definition of a real man, a man,
• 38:24
  and that takes care of his family.
• 38:26
  Yeah, I have three daughters. First of all, I've never, I can
• 38:30
  never relate with. Well, I mean, you know, I've had
• 38:34
  some pretty bad wrecks, you know, but I'm not even going to
• 38:38
  compare to you. But so as I listen to you, you
• 38:43
  asked God to save your life and he did.
• 38:48
  So that would have been pretty stingy if you didn't straighten
• 38:52
  your yourself up. Because he saved your life.
• 38:54
  He gave Doctor the brains, the wisdom to save your life.
• 38:59
  You know that you thank the Doctor and you're still crazy.
• 39:05
  You you escape out of the hospital with your hospital gown
• 39:08
  on. I feel like writing a script for
• 39:10
  a movie. Yeah, I know, right?
• 39:14
  Yeah, it's a. There needs to be a movie made
• 39:16
  about you have we do, we have We had one.
• 39:19
  Yeah, it's a there's a documentary that we did and this
• 39:22
  was right as Haley was probably 8, just turning 18 when she was
• 39:27
  with with Toyota like development programs.
• 39:30
  So that's what I remember. The movie ends in just her going
• 39:33
  to NASCAR. So that was four years ago.
• 39:36
  It was ended. Where can we find that at?
• 39:39
  So it's on, it's on, it's on YouTube now.
• 39:43
  It was on iTunes. It's on all the platforms
• 39:47
  basically just go to YouTube, search Brian Deegan, Bloodline.
• 39:50
  Oh, wow. OK.
• 39:51
  Yeah, it's a bloodline. They'll tell you.
• 39:53
  It's a great story. It's not just, hey, these are
• 39:55
  the things that happened in my life.
• 39:56
  It's actual story. And and it starts with, you
• 39:59
  know, me as a kid in Nebraska and paints this picture with all
• 40:02
  all these all these old pictures from when I was a kid and tells
• 40:06
  the story of where I came from, my family.
• 40:08
  It interviews my mom, interviews my dad and and it gets
• 40:13
  interviews everyone, I mean Reese's parents, her, the kids.
• 40:17
  It's it's very, very well done. If you didn't know me and you
• 40:21
  watched it, I think you'd still be like, yeah, that's a good
• 40:23
  documentary. So it's definitely worth the
• 40:27
  watch. Everyone that's ever watched it
• 40:29
  is like, hey, that was a good story.
• 40:31
  And I I've used it. When I meet, like, say I meet
• 40:36
  execs, corporate guys that are like for a business deal, for a
• 40:40
  sponsorship, they don't have any idea who I am.
• 40:44
  I just send them a link to that movie.
• 40:45
  And it's a little risky, 'cause it tells a lot.
• 40:48
  Like, it tells some of my gnarlier moments.
• 40:50
  But I'm like, oh, well, they're going to get to see who I am and
• 40:53
  they're going to either like me or not.
• 40:55
  And and they're they're going to know exactly who I am.
• 40:58
  And most 99% of the time they come back like, wow, man, that
• 41:01
  is a crazy story. And so and it really helps.
• 41:05
  It just really helps people get to to either jump on board or
• 41:08
  not really. I've had not had nowhere near
• 41:13
  the success you have, but I can relate with you so much because
• 41:17
  you know, I give motivational speeches and I'm like nobody can
• 41:23
  introduce me. There's no way.
• 41:25
  So I had NASCAR productions make like a rather than a 3 minute
• 41:31
  video of me to introduce me and then I look in the crowd and
• 41:36
  yeah I relate with you because you're giving here watch this.
• 41:41
  This is this is my introduction in in in film and showing what
• 41:47
  you I mean that is so badass. And I, and I want to say this,
• 41:51
  obviously these are comments. I feel like anybody that knows
• 41:56
  your story is going to make them a better person.
• 42:01
  Yeah, it's yeah. Thank you.
• 42:02
  I feel like, you know, and I've had, I've had to get up in front
• 42:06
  of crowds and get and tell stories and give speeches and
• 42:09
  you know I've had people ask me to go be a mentor and I'm like
• 42:13
  hot man, that's crazy. Like I don't.
• 42:15
  I mean, I don't ever really think of that you've.
• 42:16
  Seen the movie, you've starred in the movie, you know, you came
• 42:20
  out, you know. And it's, you know, if you live
• 42:24
  by example, then people believe and and it's, you know, I have
• 42:31
  had multiple times opportunities to to like like start this
• 42:36
  mentorship group or be a men's group or.
• 42:39
  And I did a podcast for a while, just 'cause I felt like I wanted
• 42:42
  a dog's going crazy. I did a.
• 42:45
  That dog's indicative of who you and I are.
• 42:49
  Look at me. Look.
• 42:51
  At me for sure. So but yeah, my point is I went
• 42:57
  down that that podcast path because I just wanted it to
• 43:01
  learn more. I wanted to talk to people, just
• 43:03
  personalities and learn more about people.
• 43:05
  And and I've thought about that, you know, I feel like I could
• 43:08
  mentor parents on how to raise racing kids because I can tell
• 43:13
  you I can. I can pretty much watch your kid
• 43:15
  in this sport and tell you if he's going to make it or not
• 43:17
  very quick. You know, I'm sure that's how
• 43:20
  you are in car racing. You know you get to see someone
• 43:22
  you're like Oh yeah, I think they can do it if they have the
• 43:25
  the drive. And so you know I've had a lot
• 43:29
  of people call me for for advice on that and I'm like I don't
• 43:33
  know, man. Right now I'm focused on my kids
• 43:36
  and and I still have my thing going with racing off road.
• 43:39
  I still race can AMS and I do King of the Hammers which is
• 43:42
  this gnarly off road race in California.
• 43:44
  Once a year thousands of people show up.
• 43:46
  It's just a very difficult race that's like a 12 hour race
• 43:50
  through the through the rocks in the in the desert and so I I do
• 43:54
  that I do do promotions with can am commercials and and it keeps
• 43:58
  me, it's fun for me to go race around in a can am it gives you.
• 44:02
  That it's on my list. It's just yeah, I haven't got
• 44:08
  there yet your your story. And I thought to myself, I you
• 44:12
  know, you know, you know when when you when we when we do
• 44:17
  content we know 8 minutes is the mark.
• 44:20
  But when I do Kenny conversations you know, I
• 44:23
  understand the view time and all that.
• 44:25
  But your story is so unbelievable.
• 44:29
  You know, I mean I don't even know if we can get to Global
• 44:31
  Rallycross is what you know you're doing now and you've won
• 44:34
  gold and hey I want to say this. I have a friend.
• 44:40
  His mother abandoned him and he's never been right ever since
• 44:45
  that that. You know, when you started
• 44:48
  telling me that your mother abandoned you.
• 44:52
  This kid is. I love him very much and we've
• 44:56
  gone through a lot of conversations.
• 44:57
  But Brian, because I know a little bit about mothers
• 45:01
  abandoning their children, you came out a winter.
• 45:05
  How long? How many years do you think it
• 45:09
  took you? Have you ever forgiven your
• 45:12
  mother? Yeah, see, You need to watch the
• 45:15
  documentary. OK, OK, forget it.
• 45:18
  Forget it. I'll watch the documentary.
• 45:19
  Yes, I would say. That's watch the documentary.
• 45:22
  But yes, there's definitely been closure there for sure.
• 45:25
  Like, there's. Yeah, there had to be.
• 45:28
  It had to happen. Yeah, 100%.
• 45:30
  Do I talk to her every day and still, like, hang out with her?
• 45:35
  No. You know, I don't.
• 45:37
  She lives in Texas and she came from a very poor family and in
• 45:42
  the border down there's new Brunsville, Texas.
• 45:46
  It's hard to pronounce, but yeah, she lives down there and I
• 45:49
  remember going there as a little kid and they were that they're
• 45:53
  100%, you know, Mexican. They all lived in the same like
• 45:56
  same house there. They you know, like I said it
• 46:00
  was a very poverty stricken area and but I always had fun down
• 46:04
  there. I go down there and like there's
• 46:06
  could have cooked super good food and in a different culture.
• 46:10
  They rolled them tortillas on Yes, Yeah.
• 46:12
  And. That's what I miss about my mom,
• 46:14
  because she always cooked the best food, like the best
• 46:17
  homemade Mexican food. And and so those are the things
• 46:21
  I think when I think of positive things.
• 46:23
  Yeah, there. I mean I really do miss that the
• 46:26
  family and miss the that culture when it all just one day ended
• 46:30
  and and but at that point I was 10 years old and I just started
• 46:35
  racing dirt bikes so and my dad was the one who had the job So I
• 46:41
  knew if I left with mom to Texas which was an option right.
• 46:45
  Like she was like well if you want to come with me, I can.
• 46:48
  And I was like I don't know. I just I used to visit down
• 46:51
  there and it was fun but I knew that there's a different life
• 46:54
  and and I would not be able to race anymore and racing would be
• 46:59
  done and and that's it was another decision of a fork in
• 47:02
  the road that I had to make that decision to stay with my dad
• 47:07
  which he was more of a business guy but and I knew I was going
• 47:10
  to lose that loving connection but I wanted go down this path
• 47:15
  to racing and it's kind of a weird thing how how it pulled me
• 47:19
  this way and it was the path that's taken me to where I am
• 47:22
  today, you know. I just made a note.
• 47:25
  I I wrote the 45 minute mark. This is I'm going to have my
• 47:28
  friend when we when we get this up I'm going to tell him to go
• 47:32
  to the 45 minute mark. So thank you very much.
• 47:36
  That was uncomfortable for me but I I had to ask it because I
• 47:41
  have friends. One thing, if you don't want to
• 47:45
  answer it, don't answer it, But the similarities, one rotation
• 47:52
  difference. Jo Archer, the Australian that
• 47:56
  did the you did the double twist backflip.
• 48:00
  He does, he done the triple, he pulled it off and then he's
• 48:03
  practicing it and he died. When this happened, what went
• 48:09
  through your mind when you heard of him passing away 2 weeks ago?
• 48:15
  Yeah, that's the. It's the unfortunate realities
• 48:22
  of the sport and that's the hardest part, you know, like I
• 48:27
  said, I when I see people crash on dirt bikes, it's like that's
• 48:31
  the part of the sport I hate. I just thought it is like, I
• 48:33
  hate that part of the sport and I've watched, you know, my best
• 48:38
  friend die on, you know, crashing Jeremy Lusk and.
• 48:41
  I'm sorry. Yeah, And and it's, you know, in
• 48:44
  motor sports, it happens. You see it, it's dangerous, you
• 48:48
  know, So, you know, I've had multiple friends die on dirt
• 48:52
  bikes. So over the course of this many
• 48:55
  years and with Jo, that crash, I mean, those guys are doing
• 49:00
  triple flips. They're hitting ramps that are
• 49:02
  like massive ramps now, hitting them at 4th gear as fast as a
• 49:06
  450 can go. Oh my God, they're going like
• 49:10
  5060 feet in the air. I mean it's so crazy.
• 49:15
  My opinion stunts like that should be done once a time
• 49:19
  that's like a that's like Evel Knievel the the you know
• 49:22
  Caesar's jump you do that one big bam, do it one time.
• 49:27
  But when they start trying to do things like that in shows every
• 49:31
  night or I mean I I just think certain tricks are so gnarly
• 49:36
  like and people are gnarly like is every time.
• 49:38
  I think like oh that's too crazy.
• 49:41
  But to them it's not to them. Like when I did a backflip on a
• 49:44
  dirt bike, people thought that was crazy, you know, and now
• 49:47
  it's triples. And so I just feel like the
• 49:51
  sport's elevated so high that the tricks are just so so death
• 49:56
  defying that. I just, I don't know.
• 49:59
  It's tough for me to comprehend now the the level of of bravery
• 50:03
  and and mindset to do that. But yeah, I mean like I said,
• 50:08
  it's the sports or it just, it just makes you realize how how
• 50:12
  dangerous the sports are and the risk these guys take.
• 50:14
  So it's it's like when you think about guys going like my
• 50:18
  daughter going 180 or 200 at A at a Speedway, you know, like,
• 50:24
  oh, like it's nothing. You know, like 0200 mph just,
• 50:28
  you know, and then get spun out at 200 or whatever and hits the
• 50:32
  wall like it's dangerous. Like it's scary.
• 50:35
  That's gnarly. Like so yeah, I just, I think
• 50:40
  we're surrounded by all that stuff.
• 50:42
  So you, I guess you become a little like you see it a
• 50:46
  different way. But yeah, it's I I hate seeing
• 50:49
  it, dude. I hate seeing dudes get like
• 50:52
  hurt or even worse. You know what happened?
• 50:55
  Like it's just sucks. Like it's a bummer.
• 50:57
  But like I, like I said, pay my respects and give him like I've
• 51:02
  always given him a lot of credit for the levels that they've
• 51:06
  taken it. But yeah, it's definitely a
• 51:08
  scary deal. Let's let's lighten the load a
• 51:11
  little bit. It's been, it's been awfully
• 51:13
  heavy, but it's been award-winning in my mind
• 51:17
  conversation. I've learned so much from you.
• 51:21
  First of all, let's start like this.
• 51:22
  We're going to go to Global Rallycross, but I want to
• 51:25
  congratulate you on Haley's great run at AT Vegas.
• 51:30
  I've raced 905 NASCAR races. It is extremely hard to run,
• 51:36
  really good. The the cars have got to be
• 51:39
  balanced. They got to be able to, you
• 51:41
  know, run, you know, so good, so balanced.
• 51:45
  She's a hell of a race car driver.
• 51:47
  I've always admired her because I have a niece.
• 51:51
  My brother Mike, his daughter, was incredibly good.
• 51:57
  And then I want to congratulate you, your boy.
• 51:59
  I I just love the nickname Danger Boy.
• 52:02
  You you've had, you've had it. Is this a good saying?
• 52:07
  It's been a good week for you, don't you think?
• 52:09
  Or not. Yeah, I mean Hayden, last week,
• 52:13
  Hayden freaking won his first Supercross, which is pretty bad
• 52:16
  ass. I'm sure that.
• 52:18
  Is that on your list? Yeah, yeah.
• 52:20
  And he and he. Yeah.
• 52:21
  Well, I, you know, first of all, and I mean this from the bottom
• 52:24
  of my heart, yeah, any conversations all about the
• 52:27
  great Brian Deegan. But you had kids, you know, so
• 52:33
  and and you know we got rallycross and and I know I got
• 52:37
  to wrap it up pretty much 'cause we're at an an hour.
• 52:40
  But you've done an incredible job raising your children.
• 52:46
  Did did you ever see, let's start with Haley, the oldest one
• 52:50
  right now. Did you Did you ever see your
• 52:53
  daughter? I mean, she's a beautiful girl,
• 52:57
  but she's got some tomboy in her.
• 52:58
  She's a bad ass. I've raced her.
• 53:01
  I've raced her up at Stafford in the SRX race and I raced her
• 53:06
  fare. But did when did you?
• 53:09
  When did you realize my daughter is going, is going to be a good
• 53:14
  race car driver? When did you see it?
• 53:16
  So that's a good question because when she was younger I
• 53:19
  was I just started I I laughed dirt bike competition after so
• 53:24
  many injuries near death experiences and I had all these
• 53:27
  great partnerships. I'm like well I can't just let
• 53:29
  these fade away. These are like multi $1,000,000
• 53:33
  endorsement deals and so I'm like what can I do and and at
• 53:38
  that point I was actually with Rockstar Energy at that point.
• 53:42
  Long story but Long story short when the militia blew up we went
• 53:45
  to Monster to try to sponsor Twitch and Feist and all the
• 53:48
  militia riders all the freestyle guys and they're like we just
• 53:51
  don't have the budget they were just monster just started and
• 53:54
  and I'm like well I want to do the Monster Militia and we were
• 53:57
  going to do a drink and and just it was all getting done and and
• 54:01
  and I had a business partner that we just didn't see eye to
• 54:04
  eye and he and for many reasons which taught me a lot about
• 54:08
  business and and but you know so I see a positive out of that but
• 54:12
  it also the the riders I was like well I want to sponsor the
• 54:16
  whole team the whole militia and that's when No Fear energy came
• 54:19
  out and No Fear was blowing up. Remember they were in NASCAR and
• 54:23
  so that was that was that moment So they're like we'll pay you
• 54:26
  hundreds of thousands of dollars the whole team all the guys and
• 54:29
  I was like oh all right probably the worst decision I ever made
• 54:36
  in business. I walked away from the monster
• 54:39
  as the first athlete. Probably the worst decision I've
• 54:42
  ever made in business. You know from, from stock
• 54:45
  options, from all the stuff that could have been and could have
• 54:47
  been and I wasn't ready for millions of dollars at that age.
• 54:50
  It could have been the death of me to be honest it was probably
• 54:52
  for a reason. Good point.
• 54:54
  And so I end up going to No Fear that ran its course.
• 54:57
  Those guys spent all their money, couldn't pay their bills
• 55:00
  like everyone knows and then I and I end up going to Rockstar
• 55:04
  was always real interested in in us so they jumped on board tons
• 55:08
  of money like Mons. It was the Rockstar militia
• 55:11
  deal. We we helped them so much build
• 55:13
  that brand in California and so we we blew up that whole scene
• 55:19
  and then they they said hey we want to take you to the truck
• 55:22
  races. So they and I'm like I've never
• 55:23
  even heard of it they took me to the off road truck races which
• 55:26
  was short course and I went out to Chula Vista San Diego and
• 55:30
  watch them like this is crazy these dudes are hitting riding
• 55:33
  racing motocross tracks and 1000 horsepower trucks and and I'm
• 55:37
  like they're like you want to try it.
• 55:38
  I'm like, yeah, I've never raced 4 wheels before, but why not?
• 55:42
  So I jumped in that and in first race I got smoked like I was
• 55:47
  like a menace back of the Packer and you and you know like how an
• 55:52
  offer are in dirt racing. Everyone runs up on the cushion
• 55:56
  I I was like, why are these these leaving the bottom so
• 55:58
  open? Because you can't exit and I
• 56:04
  figured right back by. And I was a Moto guy, so
• 56:07
  everything was dive bomb the bottom.
• 56:09
  So I dive bomb these guys and hit them coming off exit and
• 56:13
  they would get so mad. And I was like, dude, this is
• 56:16
  racing. Like I'm, I'm just taking the
• 56:18
  inside and like they wanted to like kill me, you know.
• 56:22
  And I. And so eventually I learned how
• 56:24
  to race, studied it, focus, put when I do something, like, I
• 56:29
  really study it. I really Who's the best?
• 56:32
  Why are they the best? I'm studying your video.
• 56:34
  I'm going to figure out why you're the best what what tires
• 56:36
  you're running. What equipment you have what
• 56:38
  suspension, who's your tuner Like I've learned to study
• 56:42
  study, study. And I within the first full
• 56:45
  season that I raced, I will end up winning the championship by
• 56:49
  the end of the year. And when I did, because I
• 56:51
  invested a lot of my own money because I had to make that
• 56:54
  transition, because I didn't want to go back to to freestyle
• 56:56
  motocross because of the danger. That's when the double backflip
• 56:59
  came out. You know, I did the 1st 360 on a
• 57:02
  dirt bike was very scary. Big moment at X Games with
• 57:05
  Pastrana. And anyway, the double backflip
• 57:08
  came out and I was like, I'm, I'm out, dude, I was like 30,
• 57:10
  some years old. I didn't want.
• 57:11
  To take a limit. I had a limit so anyway I got
• 57:14
  into cars roll cage and I knew this was my chance to reinvent
• 57:18
  myself and so I did. I went all in and start you know
• 57:21
  got got good at racing and off road and you know started making
• 57:24
  money doing that and and it carried me for another 10 years
• 57:27
  and I got in rally car came to X Games which is like a gift.
• 57:31
  I went out there and studied rally car, studied it was
• 57:33
  all-wheel drive you know 4 cylinder engines and and hand
• 57:37
  brakes and figured it out in a winning one.
• 57:40
  Gold. Yeah, which is hard like you
• 57:42
  don't get like I raced against some of the best rally guys in
• 57:45
  the world there and these these probably I mean a very tough
• 57:50
  accomplishments in in these short amount of time.
• 57:52
  But either way and I actually went in O8O9 race super late
• 57:56
  models. I've had Irwindale for like 2
• 57:58
  years because that was the talk when NASCAR was trying to get
• 58:02
  more name guys into NASCAR. So they were talking to me about
• 58:06
  like, hey come race with us if you're going to race.
• 58:09
  You know we had, we had a movement, we had a name and some
• 58:12
  marketing. So and I just remember and
• 58:14
  Rockstar was paint was going to pay for me to go race.
• 58:18
  They actually thought I was going to go race Xfinity.
• 58:22
  Hey. Yeah.
• 58:24
  And at the time, I thought you had already done everything.
• 58:27
  You were successful in everything.
• 58:29
  Yeah. So they're thinking, well, how
• 58:30
  are you just going to go on? Yeah, that's what I thought, you
• 58:34
  know. Yeah, How did I learn, by the
• 58:37
  way? I've never raced Urbandale, but
• 58:39
  it's got a sucker lane, too. That bottom, Yeah, that bottom
• 58:43
  is the hardest damn thing to exit.
• 58:45
  And everybody just peels around the middle.
• 58:47
  Yeah, and I learned what a good car and a bad car is there.
• 58:50
  Yeah, so, but, but anyhow, so I did that for a couple years.
• 58:54
  I actually was trying to race NASCAR for a little bit, like
• 58:56
  when Pastrana was first coming in and they were trying to get
• 58:59
  some name guys. But that ended pretty quick once
• 59:02
  Rockstar, right when it came to actually spending seven figure
• 59:06
  checks and and they saw that I probably wasn't going to be the
• 59:09
  next NASCAR champ, they they are like they end up spending on
• 59:13
  that one kid from Arizona back in the day, the young kid in
• 59:16
  Xfinity. That wasn't crafted, no.
• 59:19
  No, it was a young 1718 year old kid.
• 59:22
  I think he was from Arizona, but I forget his name.
• 59:26
  But he they end up giving him the money which they should
• 59:28
  have. He actually was fast.
• 59:30
  But so anyhow, my point is my bad, short lived career.
• 59:34
  And then with Haley we knew she needed to be.
• 59:38
  I guess your question was with Haley.
• 59:39
  Racing, yeah, but you got her in cage.
• 59:42
  Yes, yeah, she started on dirt bikes to learn how to shift and
• 59:46
  do that. But I knew the future was in
• 59:47
  cars for her. And so we put her into the I
• 59:50
  started racing off road trucks pro day.
• 59:52
  They had a kids class in carts, little off road carts.
• 59:55
  She begged to do those cards. She was more arts and crafts
• 59:59
  like the girl. That was kind of like that
• 1:00:01
  style. I'm like, I don't know, you're
• 1:00:03
  not really race material like. You're a girl.
• 1:00:08
  She wasn't like the gritty, like Tomboy.
• 1:00:11
  She's more of like playing you know in a dress playing with her
• 1:00:15
  arts and crafts and toys and and my my wife and Reese's like now
• 1:00:19
  get her a car and I'm like she's like no you need to get her a
• 1:00:23
  car and she was the big component behind it and and I'm
• 1:00:26
  like and so then I got her the cheapest junkiest go Kart 5
• 1:00:32
  grand dude and she goes out she's in the back of the pack
• 1:00:35
  and cruising around and and then by the next season my wife so
• 1:00:39
  you can get get her a better car like so she can at least like
• 1:00:42
  race. And I was like all right so we
• 1:00:44
  invested in a nice winning car and she went out and started
• 1:00:48
  getting on the podium like started beating the boys and I
• 1:00:50
  was like all right yeah I was like so then my interest right.
• 1:00:54
  I'm like OK I think she wants to race and so then I got behind
• 1:00:58
  that and and started getting the good parts.
• 1:01:01
  We hired our own engine tuner just for her and and and she
• 1:01:05
  started winning all these races and championships and it was
• 1:01:08
  fast Drivers like Sheldon Creed Riley Herbst they all came
• 1:01:11
  through these karting programs that were an off road And so I'm
• 1:01:15
  just my point is it's no slouches like like to win these
• 1:01:18
  you got to be pretty good and and so she I just knew she
• 1:01:22
  needed to go to NASCAR to make they have a successful career as
• 1:01:25
  a female. And so we did everything we
• 1:01:27
  could to get her to the East Coast and get her in front of
• 1:01:30
  the right people. Then Toyota heard about her
• 1:01:32
  tested her put her in the in that diversity program which
• 1:01:36
  started the wheels turning. And that's when I learned my
• 1:01:38
  first thing about NASCAR. They're like hey come we got
• 1:01:41
  this program like wow you guys are going to handle everything
• 1:01:44
  and and get her in the car and and we get there and they're
• 1:01:47
  like well it's not really like that you're going to be paying a
• 1:01:50
  lot of and that the hook was already in right.
• 1:01:54
  Like we're already the hook was in so we we ran with it and she
• 1:01:58
  proved that she could race you know she could be competitive
• 1:02:02
  and and I feel like I feel like I have a I've always had a lot
• 1:02:05
  of questions of like why is there been not a female yet to
• 1:02:09
  go into NASCAR and be I wouldn't much say a champion but a fierce
• 1:02:15
  competitor that runs with the lead pack so why do you think
• 1:02:19
  that hasn't happened yet. I would say that the men give up
• 1:02:23
  on the girls too quick. Yeah, I think somebody badass
• 1:02:27
  like you, you know, they. I've been in NASCAR my whole
• 1:02:30
  life and race teams don't like the parents around.
• 1:02:34
  I can give you a lot of examples.
• 1:02:36
  You know, my my brother Rusty drove for Rodger Penske.
• 1:02:42
  You know, it's like, give me your child, stay away.
• 1:02:45
  Yeah, And and it's just that it's just that kind of deal.
• 1:02:50
  But my, my, my opinion. Well, I mean, it's it's like
• 1:02:54
  when I watched Danica Patrick and I watch Haley, they both.
• 1:02:59
  And listen, I'm a girl, Dad. I got three daughters.
• 1:03:02
  So I'm. I'm in.
• 1:03:03
  I'm in the girl. But I am telling you, I know
• 1:03:07
  what I'm talking about. The guys abused the girls on the
• 1:03:10
  racetrack. You see it all the time in all
• 1:03:13
  the videos. I mean, your daughter's been
• 1:03:16
  wrecked more than she's wrecked. I'm telling they hit her in the
• 1:03:21
  left rear. But when you know, you look at
• 1:03:26
  the the races that she's won like on dirt.
• 1:03:30
  She gets her right front underneath her, left her, she
• 1:03:32
  moves them out of the way, they wreck her and and there there's
• 1:03:37
  a there's an art to moving people and then there's an art
• 1:03:40
  like you're in them because something happened.
• 1:03:42
  You just, you have to go ahead and spit them out where else
• 1:03:45
  you're going to get stopped. So the reason that it takes the
• 1:03:51
  girls longer is the guys. There's a crapload of male
• 1:03:57
  chauvinist still and they just can't believe that a girl's out
• 1:04:01
  running me. Oh, my God.
• 1:04:02
  You know, And I just never bought into that just because
• 1:04:06
  I'm a girl Dad and and my niece. Really good Chrissy Wallace.
• 1:04:11
  But listen, you know, you asked me that question.
• 1:04:17
  I just want to remind everybody. So let's go to Danger Boy.
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  I feel like he's a carbon copy of you.
• 1:04:28
  Hey. Now, when I interviewed Haley
• 1:04:30
  last year, she said something that shocked me.
• 1:04:34
  She says my brother is just raw talent.
• 1:04:38
  He's just he's just a God gift. She didn't say that but she made
• 1:04:43
  a point to me that Danger Boy Deegan is just good.
• 1:04:48
  That's all there is to it. So he he's gnarly like you he
• 1:04:54
  Jamie Little she imitated you said she said when Brian Deegan
• 1:04:58
  you when you first come along you're you had this shitty and
• 1:05:02
  grin you're like like this with the face and and and I kind of
• 1:05:06
  see that with Danger Boy. Yeah.
• 1:05:10
  Now are you are you letting him be his himself?
• 1:05:15
  Or do you ever talk to him about the the way he is 'cause?
• 1:05:20
  He is. I'm his parent.
• 1:05:22
  Come on, man. What do you guys talk about
• 1:05:26
  'cause this is the hottest topic in motocross right now?
• 1:05:30
  Yeah, yeah, for sure. I feel like he's a young kid.
• 1:05:33
  He's always been pretty like he's always been kind of like
• 1:05:37
  like more edgy and rough, you know, And like he's he's always
• 1:05:41
  like he'll he looks at something, it's a challenge and
• 1:05:44
  he wants to conquer it. Like that's the way he's always
• 1:05:46
  been. He'll sit there and just if he
• 1:05:48
  has a scooter and he wants to learn a trick, he'll stay there
• 1:05:50
  all day until he can figure it out.
• 1:05:52
  And so it's the way he is with racing too.
• 1:05:54
  He's just like he's to figure out how can I win and he just
• 1:05:57
  hates losing more than he likes winning.
• 1:05:59
  I feel that's like his thing. He just like, I don't want to
• 1:06:02
  lose. Like I just and so he has a grit
• 1:06:05
  in in fire in him, which is very, very difficult to do
• 1:06:10
  coming from a family. Let's be honest, that had all
• 1:06:13
  options, right? Like I I came up, I didn't have
• 1:06:16
  much of anything, so I didn't have any way to turn back.
• 1:06:19
  I couldn't turn back And so with him he had a lot of options,
• 1:06:22
  right? He could go race cars.
• 1:06:24
  We wanted him to race cars like, well, there's a lot of other
• 1:06:26
  things we want him to do. But he got focused on dirt
• 1:06:29
  bikes. He's like, this is what I'm
• 1:06:30
  doing and I'm going to win. And I was like, all right, well,
• 1:06:33
  it's going to be tough. It's a very tough sport.
• 1:06:35
  You got to train every day. You got to eat right, sleep
• 1:06:37
  good, surround yourself with the right people.
• 1:06:40
  It's a everyday, all day thing if you want to be the best.
• 1:06:44
  And he was like, all right, so all right, let's do it.
• 1:06:46
  I know I've been there. I've been around the sport long
• 1:06:49
  enough. I can help guide you through
• 1:06:51
  this as long as you stay focused you know if you are in I'm in
• 1:06:56
  and we will go do it and and and so that's kind of the vibe and
• 1:07:00
  he he's you know there's definitely things as a young
• 1:07:03
  young 18 year old kid he's he wants to say or do and I you
• 1:07:06
  know he has to reel them in and be like you know that's that's
• 1:07:09
  going to come. Social media is different
• 1:07:11
  nowadays. Well, come everything, come back
• 1:07:12
  and bite you, you know, So you got to be careful what you say
• 1:07:15
  and do where. Back in the day, they'd be lucky
• 1:07:18
  to hear what we said because someone wasn't filming it or
• 1:07:21
  whatever he said, she said. But now everything's caught on
• 1:07:26
  tape, so you got to be careful with the way you act and the way
• 1:07:28
  you portray yourself. But I feel like what you see is
• 1:07:31
  him, you know, I try to let him just be him.
• 1:07:34
  He he's, he's that kind of like edgy little, you know, attitude.
• 1:07:38
  You got to be to be the best man, you got to have some
• 1:07:40
  attitude, dude. That's the way I see.
• 1:07:42
  It, I love it, Yeah, I love. It yeah.
• 1:07:45
  Let me finish on that. So I feel like like going back
• 1:07:50
  to to Haley I feel like she it's a fine balance being a girl in
• 1:07:57
  NASCAR. I I stepping back as a dad
• 1:08:00
  watching, I feel like I wish NASCAR would have stepped in
• 1:08:04
  many more times and threw the Black Flag and said hey you guys
• 1:08:08
  aren't crashing these hundred some $1000 trucks every weekend.
• 1:08:12
  So OK you know if we care about the money let's not crash these
• 1:08:15
  guys. And when if you do spend, spend
• 1:08:18
  someone out on purpose, you're done.
• 1:08:19
  Go to the back and start like when I race rally and offer
• 1:08:23
  trucks, if you crash someone you're going to the back.
• 1:08:25
  Are you doing a stop and go like like they don't just get to
• 1:08:28
  crash people like they don't like that blew my mind that that
• 1:08:32
  was so allowed to happen and and I and I respect NASCAR so I
• 1:08:36
  don't like jump in with my social media power and start
• 1:08:39
  like talking crap because I don't think it helps.
• 1:08:42
  But at the end of the day as a father watching a female I'm
• 1:08:46
  like man she just a lot of people take shots at her and and
• 1:08:50
  and she's I feel like they could have done a better job at at at
• 1:08:55
  reeling that in and and so and I get it she's got to earn her
• 1:08:59
  stripes you know she's got to earn her spot earn her respect
• 1:09:02
  with the racers And and I feel like I would if I was in her
• 1:09:05
  shoes I'd probably be a lot I'd be swinging a lot more.
• 1:09:09
  I'd be like you're a lot more like you Take Me Out I'm
• 1:09:12
  stalking you dude. Like I'm going to stand like get
• 1:09:16
  aggro right. Like but obviously that's been a
• 1:09:18
  bad part too. But my yeah that's why I don't
• 1:09:23
  like do that that's why I can't be in the middle of it because I
• 1:09:26
  get too fired up. I look look at these guys that
• 1:09:29
  clean her out they won't even look at her.
• 1:09:31
  It's like come on bro. Like when I race if I take you
• 1:09:33
  out you either knew I didn't like you and you had it coming
• 1:09:36
  or I walk up to you and say hey sorry I messed up.
• 1:09:40
  That was my mistake. Like I shouldn't have took you
• 1:09:42
  out. That was an accident And there's
• 1:09:44
  two ways to go about it And if you go about the way of just
• 1:09:47
  don't look at the driver and walk by like nothing happened or
• 1:09:50
  you got 100 some $1000 truck destroyed and your weekend's
• 1:09:53
  wasted. Come on like give me a break
• 1:09:55
  dude. And we're OK with that.
• 1:09:57
  Like that's not racing you know that's not cool.
• 1:10:00
  That's not the old school way like.
• 1:10:01
  So that's just what I see out of it and you know I think Haley
• 1:10:06
  has it in her to be a really top racer you know.
• 1:10:09
  But it's like Hayden you got to go all in every awakening moment
• 1:10:13
  every day. You know it's a it's a it's a
• 1:10:15
  all in especially a female to beat the man like you got to be
• 1:10:18
  like gritty and everything you got you know and I think it's
• 1:10:22
  possible and she's still young so young in that sport.
• 1:10:26
  So you know, like I said, I I always feel like as a female you
• 1:10:29
  need to touch just a solid group around you and it just, I just
• 1:10:34
  picture this, you see this tough group of of of you guys and
• 1:10:38
  girls, whatever, just around you like the solid group that people
• 1:10:41
  just don't F with and it's we. Need the metal militia around
• 1:10:44
  their daughter? Let's let's bring the crew back.
• 1:10:47
  Right. Yeah, yeah, we'd probably get
• 1:10:49
  kicked out by the. 1st and as soon as soon as the next guy
• 1:10:52
  hits her left her, turns out you go beat his ass.
• 1:10:55
  Yeah, yeah, and then you won't do that no more.
• 1:10:58
  You know they listened back in the day, in my day, what we did
• 1:11:02
  is we, you know, you have the tractor trailers park, right.
• 1:11:06
  Here's a tractor trailer, there's a tractor.
• 1:11:08
  We went, we say come here and we went between the tractor
• 1:11:12
  trailers and when we came out, OK, you just wrecked me.
• 1:11:17
  I'm going to wreck you. And we're going to keep doing
• 1:11:19
  this until you realize don't mess with me, Yeah.
• 1:11:24
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's kind of the unspoken
• 1:11:26
  rule of racing. You know.
• 1:11:28
  And I, like I said, I feel like in the last few years it got so
• 1:11:32
  out of control with guys just crashing guys.
• 1:11:36
  And you know, I just, for me, I don't think that's great racing.
• 1:11:39
  You know, I feel like that should be handled on the track
• 1:11:42
  by the drivers, off the track by the drivers.
• 1:11:45
  And it should be OK to do that. Like, OK, hey, these two are
• 1:11:48
  going to have words. If it comes to a little scrap,
• 1:11:51
  Oh well, let's just move on and hopefully it's settled.
• 1:11:54
  It's done, you know, And I feel like the old ways and many
• 1:11:58
  things were a little better you. Know what they were?
• 1:12:00
  Because we we did take care of our own.
• 1:12:05
  We took care of ourselves. We didn't wait for people to
• 1:12:07
  police it. I can tell you so many run
• 1:12:10
  insurance that we solved on on our own.
• 1:12:12
  But, but yeah, I well, listen, you know we can go for two
• 1:12:18
  hours. My brother Ross, he's calling me
• 1:12:21
  right now. We're getting ready to go on a
• 1:12:23
  ride. I'm down here at bike Week and
• 1:12:26
  listen there, there's a Part 2 coming and and and we got to go
• 1:12:32
  on to rallycross. You know here I'm trying to
• 1:12:34
  cover your whole life in an hour and 15 minutes and it ain't
• 1:12:38
  going to work but you. But but you've given me so much,
• 1:12:41
  Brian. I've always been a big fan of
• 1:12:44
  you. One one thing I admired about
• 1:12:46
  you is you stay busy. You stay digging.
• 1:12:49
  And I want to thank you so much. Like I said, there's more but we
• 1:12:54
  just we got to sign off and and I really appreciate you.
• 1:12:58
  You're a badass dad. I admire you for overcoming and
• 1:13:03
  prevailing. You know that that it's funny
• 1:13:06
  because I'm on the West Coast. I learned what's this word
• 1:13:09
  gnarly mean and I learned it and you're you were gnarly and you
• 1:13:15
  got a great family. Congratulations on everything
• 1:13:19
  and you're still right in the middle of it.
• 1:13:22
  But thank you being on. Thank you for being on Kenny
• 1:13:24
  conversation. Yeah.
• 1:13:25
  Thanks for doing what you do, man.
• 1:13:27
  Appreciate. I know it takes time and energy
• 1:13:29
  takes a, you know, it's the connections of getting everyone
• 1:13:32
  lined up to be on the show. So, yeah, thanks for doing that.
• 1:13:35
  It's good to have this positive voice.
• 1:13:36
  You always speak positive about Haley, which is good and and
• 1:13:41
  yeah, I'm just a proud dad of all the kids, all my kids, and
• 1:13:44
  worked hard and I appreciate the time, man.
• 1:13:47
  Well, I want you to know a little something about me.
• 1:13:49
  I'm a racer. I still race.
• 1:13:51
  And the man behind the camera right now, Charlie Marlow, I
• 1:13:55
  moved back to Saint Louis and he said let me start you a YouTube
• 1:13:58
  show. I said no man, I'm too busy
• 1:14:00
  running my dirt car. I run 80 races a year.
• 1:14:02
  Please. Yeah.
• 1:14:04
  And Charlie's listening to this right now.
• 1:14:06
  I haven't told many people this. So about a month later, he calls
• 1:14:09
  me again. I said, all right, all right,
• 1:14:10
  I'll, I'll do it. And I'm nothing like you.
• 1:14:15
  You got millions and millions, but it's it's been a lot of fun.
• 1:14:19
  And I said, can I ever interview people?
• 1:14:22
  He goes, oh, yeah, I just thought you wanted to talk.
• 1:14:24
  I'm like, hell, no. So, so you're about a 45th.
• 1:14:30
  Great athlete. And yeah, I just enjoy it.
• 1:14:35
  And I sometimes I get tired of studying up about about it
• 1:14:40
  because I want to ride the motorcycle right now.
• 1:14:42
  There you go. Yeah, go have fun, man.
• 1:14:44
  Yeah. So listen, everybody, you've
• 1:14:46
  always asked about it. We are in podcast form.
• 1:14:49
  We are on iTunes and Spotify, and you can listen to the great
• 1:14:53
  Brian Deegan on your way to work.
• 1:14:56
  And it's long. So when you turn around and go
• 1:14:58
  back home, listen to him again. Once again, thank you, Brian.
• 1:15:02
  Yeah. Thanks for having me on.
• 1:15:03
  All right. Goodbye, everybody.
• 1:15:05
  Yeah.