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Husband flees USA after wife's disappearance, he's now charged with murder · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. She confided a lot of things in me,
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Speaker 1: things about her marriage, the way things were going in
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Speaker 1: marriage situations, her plans to possibly get out of the marriage.
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Speaker 1: Her fear was that she would not get out the
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Speaker 1: marriage with her daughter. Everything she did was for her daughter.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about Sylvian think Losada, I mean Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us,
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Speaker 1: joining me right now, John Limley, Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter John Limley. What happened? We're talking about sylvian
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Speaker 1: Fink Losato, not only a beloved mother but also a
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Speaker 1: beloved French teacher at Bruley High School. This is in
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Speaker 1: Metro Baton, Rouge. She's a native of Belgium that had
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Speaker 1: met and married her husband, oscar Lozado, and that very
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Speaker 1: same year, their daughter, Angelina came along. Sylvia Anne loved
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Speaker 1: her little family that she had helped create in the
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Speaker 1: United States, but she was also still quite devoted to
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Speaker 1: her family back in Belgium. She spoke with them every
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Speaker 1: single day, she didn't miss a day. That's why Sylviane's
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Speaker 1: mom became more and more concerned when she didn't hear
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Speaker 1: from her daughter. The last time the two spoke was
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Speaker 1: on July. Five days turns into weeks, and it was
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Speaker 1: not just Sylvianne's family that became worried, so were her friends,
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Speaker 1: her colleagues. So on July, Sylvianne's friend Karen Woolley contacted
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Speaker 1: police to file a missing person report. Well, what's amazing
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Speaker 1: to me? Let me introduce our all star lineup with me.
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Speaker 1: Crime Online dot Com investigative reporter John Lemly joining me
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Speaker 1: from that jurisdiction defense attorney Renee Rockwell, medical examiner Dr
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Speaker 1: William Moroney, author of a new book American Narcan on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: cop turn PI Vincent Hill, and New York psychologist Lauren Howard.
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Speaker 1: So what I'm understanding is that this beautiful woman goes
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Speaker 1: missing and years past, years past, Well, I gotta tell
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Speaker 1: you in a when I found out that the husband
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Speaker 1: was suspected stolen coins. I mean, Renee Rockwell, do you
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Speaker 1: remember when we prosecuted together in Inner City Atlanta? While
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Speaker 1: I prosecuted, you defended and there was a woman whose
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Speaker 1: husband had quit her job and spent his life looking
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Speaker 1: for buried treasure and shipwrecks. Well, I mean at that minute,
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Speaker 1: right there, I would have divorced him in a New
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Speaker 1: York minute, but she stuck with him. Long story short,
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Speaker 1: here's the guy who is making a living apparently allegedly
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Speaker 1: off stolen coins. Nancy, that is not illegal, Oh, stolen
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Speaker 1: coins aren't illegal. You ever heard of theft by receiving
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Speaker 1: stolen property? Yes? But how are you gonna look at
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Speaker 1: a coin and say, ah, this coin is stolen. This
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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with a homicide, Nancy. He's you're
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Speaker 1: kidding me, right, How do I tell if a coin
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Speaker 1: is stolen? For one thing, if it's a valuable coin,
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Speaker 1: coin collectors can look at it and tell you if
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Speaker 1: where it came. I mean, they know that it's been
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Speaker 1: reported stolen. And how are you gonna look at a
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Speaker 1: coin and say, oh, this coin looks stolen, therefore maybe
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Speaker 1: I need not buy it. He's got the possession of
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Speaker 1: a number of valuable coins. It's just like a gun, Mancy.
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Speaker 1: How are you gonna look at a gun and say
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Speaker 1: this gun looks stolen as opposed to a car that
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Speaker 1: might have a busted out window or a broken steering column.
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Speaker 1: They're gonna have to do a little more than that
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Speaker 1: to put him under for some stolen coins. That is
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Speaker 1: not his problem, Mancy. He's got bigger problems. Well, you're
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Speaker 1: right about that. I'm just telling you. When I found out,
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Speaker 1: when she goes missing and I found out the husband
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Speaker 1: is all involved involved in the precious coin trade and
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Speaker 1: was suspected of stolen coins, I mean, right there, when
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Speaker 1: you look at a scenario, and we've learned this over
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Speaker 1: and over, you pick out who's most likely to have
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Speaker 1: done it. You pick out the nut. It's not typically
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Speaker 1: the normal person going along getting up every morning, going
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Speaker 1: to work, taking care of their family. It's the nut here.
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Speaker 1: After many, many long years, has the case been cracked.
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Speaker 1: According to East Baton Rouge Parish sheriff, said Gautreaux, this
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Speaker 1: was a prime ex apple of the fact that there
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Speaker 1: are no cold cases. Now correct me if I'm wrong
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Speaker 1: withn But isn't Baton Rouge your neck of the woods.
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Speaker 1: Nancy were born and bread and winter college in law school.
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Speaker 1: Let me go back to you. John Limley Crime Online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. So how did this whole thing
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Speaker 1: go down? How did this beautiful mom go missing? To
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Speaker 1: start with? Well, we've learned through authorities that the next day,
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Speaker 1: after that last phone conversation that Sylviane had with her
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Speaker 1: mom in Belgium July five, the next day, her husband,
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Speaker 1: oscar Lozatto, who is an American and Venezuelan citizen, purchased
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Speaker 1: two tickets to Venezuela and then went to a home
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Speaker 1: improvement store with their daughter Angelina, where he bought, according
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Speaker 1: to the sales receipt, concrete buckets and luggage locks. Then
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Speaker 1: the two of them went to a pizza parlor. Uh.
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Speaker 1: The next day after that, he went back to the
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Speaker 1: store and bought six large plastic bins. Uh. That day
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Speaker 1: he also texted his boss that he'd be gone for
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Speaker 1: a few weeks for some medical procedure for surgery. The
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Speaker 1: next morning, he asked three people to go to his
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Speaker 1: house and start packing things up. Authorities say he was
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Speaker 1: in a hurry to leave town. Um. He even gave
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Speaker 1: one of them his SUV. You know to Dr William
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Speaker 1: Moroney right now, medical examiner and author of American Narcan
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Speaker 1: on Amazon, Right now, Dr Moroney. Uh, how many times
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Speaker 1: do killers wave their own red flag and make us
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Speaker 1: notice them? You know, when your wife goes missing and
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Speaker 1: you coincidentally or over there at Lowe's or Walmart or
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Speaker 1: home depot, stop piling cement mix buckets plastic bins. It's
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Speaker 1: never a good look, Dr Maroney. Why do they keep
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Speaker 1: doing it over and over and over. They think they're
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Speaker 1: going to get away with this stuff, and then they
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Speaker 1: also are very poor and planning. You put somebody in
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Speaker 1: a plastic bag, or you put them in a box
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Speaker 1: or concrete if you want a body to disappear leave
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Speaker 1: it out in the open and the sun for the bugs,
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Speaker 1: the LoVa, the maggots, everything will eat it down to nothing.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Dr Maroney, thank you for that. Visual works. Well,
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Speaker 1: I know, I know that is the way it works,
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Speaker 1: Dr William Moroney, You know Dr Maroney, Renee Rockwell nicknamed
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Speaker 1: Rudy bursting in. Go ahead, go ahead and interrupt. Throw
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Speaker 1: the body to the alligator. Is that what you tell
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Speaker 1: your clients throw the evidence to the alligators? Absolutely not.
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Speaker 1: That's illegal to advise a client to get rid of evidence.
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Speaker 1: But there is no evidence in the case, Nancy. Where's
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Speaker 1: just like stolen coins are not illegal. Here's the body
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Speaker 1: showing the body. I've just been waiting on that. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you're right, you're right. Nobody has ever been found her body,
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Speaker 1: This beautiful young mom never been found. What am I
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Speaker 1: going to give him a gold star and a plus
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Speaker 1: for getting rid of the body? You don't find it
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Speaker 1: unusual that the very next day after she tossed to
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Speaker 1: her mom, he takes he plans to leave the country
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Speaker 1: and ends up all these years in Mexico. That doesn't
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Speaker 1: bother your name, Nancy. Let me just tell you here,
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Speaker 1: here's what what his business problem is First of all,
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Speaker 1: the fleeing itself is consciousness of guilt. Where did he go?
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Speaker 1: He went to Venezuela where there was no extradition policy
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Speaker 1: between Venezuela and the US. The minute he goes to Mexico,
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Speaker 1: he's fair game. And let me tell you something. He's
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Speaker 1: on his way back for a prosecution. But this d
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Speaker 1: A's office is going to have probably probably with this
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Speaker 1: case because there is no body. All you have in
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Speaker 1: this blah, don't count on I'm not finding a body
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Speaker 1: by the time this goes to trial. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friends at w A f B t V
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Speaker 1: nine baton rouge. This is anchor andre more, not a word,
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Speaker 1: nothing more from that day. You can't imagine or difficult
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Speaker 1: is it to survive at this tragedy? Whole life will
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Speaker 1: never be the same. Linda Booie wonders, is Angelina maybe
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Speaker 1: in as good of a place as she could possibly
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Speaker 1: be right now? With then who I think as a monster.
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Speaker 1: And it now comes as no surprise. Friends say their
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Speaker 1: marriage was in trouble. There were fights where one or
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Speaker 1: the bullet of them and when I end up at
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Speaker 1: my house um and or where the sheriff was called
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Speaker 1: According to police records, deputies were called to their Spring
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Speaker 1: Lake address December three and December one. On that New
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Speaker 1: Year's Eve, she wound up at our Lady of the
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Speaker 1: Lake hospital with bruises. She said Oscar pushed her down
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Speaker 1: the stairs. Those records say. On Facebook, Oscar messaged me
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Speaker 1: I never touched Sylvian in a violent way. Booie says
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Speaker 1: Sylvian never pressed charges, fearing Oscar would take their daughter
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Speaker 1: and leave the country. She believes more than one person
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Speaker 1: took part in Sylvian's disappearance. I would hope that if
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Speaker 1: somebody is out there, that they would they would find
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Speaker 1: a conscience and that they would come out and they
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Speaker 1: would talk. They had identified that through their investigative ever
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Speaker 1: from the information that had provided to them, and went
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Speaker 1: into possession of Angelina Uh. They brought her into their
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Speaker 1: customy and they went to the normal Mexican procedures of
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Speaker 1: having a hearing, gathering information UH, meeting with their father Oscar,
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Speaker 1: and kept her in their possession since last Friday. Last
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Speaker 1: Friday night of my house, I've received a phone call
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Speaker 1: from the director of Immigrations from Mexico and says, hey, um,
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Speaker 1: you need to be at the Del Rio Texas border
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Speaker 1: in the morning. M can you be there. I'm I'm
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Speaker 1: a relinquished control imaginatd to you, I said, I'll meet here. Mhm.
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Speaker 1: I wish if y'all could sing the picture, Oh Todd
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Speaker 1: meeting with her. It was a moment for all of it.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing the investigator and Shaff both breaking down in
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Speaker 1: tears as they describe seven, the seven year old Kay.
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Speaker 1: They've been looking for this moment, Sylvian Fink Losata for
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Speaker 1: seven years and the recovery of her little girl, Angelina's
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Speaker 1: Lozatta at the Texas border with Mexico. Again, I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is crime stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: So do Dr William Moroney. Not only is the wife
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Speaker 1: Sylvian assumed dad presumed dead, he took off to a
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Speaker 1: jurisdiction without the death penalty with the daughter. I mean,
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Speaker 1: what more could you do to a mother? Kill the
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Speaker 1: mother and take the child. Just remember these two words.
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Speaker 1: Peterson and Peterson. Drew Peterson and Scott Peterson were both convicted.
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Speaker 1: And we never really had the whole body's we We
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Speaker 1: didn't the one in Chicago. We didn't have anybody. So
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Speaker 1: when we look for this deep inside his inner spirit.
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Speaker 1: He's struggling with good and evil and the only way
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Speaker 1: out of this is to put it in front of
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Speaker 1: jurisprudence and blind justice and look out for his child.
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Speaker 1: And maybe we'll get a confession. But you don't need
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Speaker 1: a body. We've convicted people without bodies. You're so right
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Speaker 1: about that. Dr Moroney. Back to Renee Rockwell, uh native
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Speaker 1: of this jurisdiction in Baton Rouge, Renee Rockwell in Louisiana.
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Speaker 1: Is there the death penalty, Absolutely, the death penalty. There
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Speaker 1: is the problem with this case that they that initially
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Speaker 1: drove all the actions alleged actions of this suspect slash defendant,
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Speaker 1: is that he led to Venezuela to engage in perhaps
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Speaker 1: being out of roots because of the lack of the
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Speaker 1: extradition policy, Nancy, the many countries won't let clients be
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Speaker 1: extradited back to the receiving state because of death penalty.
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Speaker 1: And that's what I suspect happens in this case. However,
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Speaker 1: the minute he moved to Mexico, that is when we
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Speaker 1: were as a state Louisiana, we were able to put
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Speaker 1: our hands on him and bring him back. That's a
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Speaker 1: far cry from a conviction. Nancy, all it's gonna take
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Speaker 1: is a questioning jewelry saying, wait a minute, I don't
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Speaker 1: know if I'm willing to find this person guilty, especially
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Speaker 1: if it's a death penalty case, if I don't have
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Speaker 1: at least a dead body. Now, there are blood batter
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Speaker 1: that blood spattered patterns that were located in the garage, Fancy,
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Speaker 1: But that is the extent of the physical app Well,
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Speaker 1: you're right about that. Although Sylvian's body has never been
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Speaker 1: found after she's reported missing, and I'm curious about who
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Speaker 1: actually reported her missing. Police found her blood, not just blood,
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Speaker 1: but her blood spattered up against the walls of the
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Speaker 1: couple's garage. Now. She was last heard from July five,
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Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, on a phone call with her mom
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Speaker 1: in Belgium. In the very next day, her husband buys
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Speaker 1: two tickets to Venezuela, clearly not taking her along. He
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Speaker 1: takes the little girl. He also buys cement, concrete buckets,
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Speaker 1: luggage locks, and six large plastic bands. July nine, oscar
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Speaker 1: Lozatta takes his little baby girl. They leave the country
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Speaker 1: eight for Venezuela. Now interesting, Venezuela does not have an
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Speaker 1: extradition treaty with the US. But then, as yournate Rockwell
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Speaker 1: pointed out, when he moves to Mexico, authorities were able
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Speaker 1: to arrest him, and he is now being held at
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Speaker 1: a detention center in Eagle Pass, Texas. The baby girl,
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Speaker 1: now twelve, Angelina, has been returned to Louisiana. Now let
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Speaker 1: me ask you this, John Limley, we know that timing
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Speaker 1: is very, very unusual. Hold on, John, let me throw
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Speaker 1: that to Vincent Hill, cop turned private eye. You've got
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Speaker 1: her on the phone with her mom the night before
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Speaker 1: the next day, the husband takes off with the baby
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Speaker 1: girl to Venezuela. He only buys two tickets, he knows
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Speaker 1: she's not coming with him, and then cops fine, mommy's
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Speaker 1: blood in the garage. Vincent Hill, I mean, am I
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Speaker 1: missing a piece of this puzzle? It's very clear to me. No,
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Speaker 1: it's crystal clear, Nancy. I mean, I want to know
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Speaker 1: what that conversation with her mother was all about to
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Speaker 1: make this guy all of a sudden go out by
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Speaker 1: this concrete, by these plane tickets and leave with the daughter.
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Speaker 1: Something happened in that conversation that he may have overheard.
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Speaker 1: That says, oh, no, I need to do this now,
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Speaker 1: and I need to do it right now to get
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Speaker 1: rid of her. So, Lauren Howard, New York psychologists joining us,
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Speaker 1: do you see fly as evidence of guilt in this case?
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Speaker 1: No question. The blood splatter, um, the the stop at
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Speaker 1: home depot, the quick departure, and you know Chodd Morris,
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Speaker 1: the lead detective on the case, had maintained contracts with
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Speaker 1: um Ustar over the years, both through email and telephone.
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Speaker 1: While he was in Venezuela, he reported the two times
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Speaker 1: they were close to getting him to come back to
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Speaker 1: the US and when as for as to purchase airline
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Speaker 1: tickets for him and his daughter, but he stopped short
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Speaker 1: of getting on the plane. So I mean to me,
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Speaker 1: that says they had gotten close enough to him confessing,
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Speaker 1: And so I do think that they will end up
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Speaker 1: with a confession. Honestly, Nancy, I'm not a judge, I'm
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Speaker 1: not a jury. I don't have to be fair here.
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Speaker 1: All I care about is this girl. I mean, she's
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Speaker 1: lived in Venezuela her whole life, and now all the
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Speaker 1: fun she's in foster care in Louisiana. I mean, what
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Speaker 1: what what's wrong with that picture? This kid? I mean
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Speaker 1: her whole life has known her life in Venezuela. More
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Speaker 1: concerned about her whole life being lived without her mother
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Speaker 1: because daddy murdered her and put her body in a
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Speaker 1: plastic bind. Want to entry and Rudy High School think Losanna.
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Speaker 1: Teachers that really high school say loved what she did.
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Speaker 1: People who want these halls say she brought pure joy
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Speaker 1: to the classroom. She was always this bright, smiley and lady.
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Speaker 1: Anytime you know she was around, she was smiling. On
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Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, teacher's dad it around a small television set
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Speaker 1: at the school for the announcement. They had waited seven
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Speaker 1: long years to hear oscar Lozatta and has been arrested
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Speaker 1: for the murder of Sylvian fi East Ben Rouge. Sheriff's
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Speaker 1: Major Todd Morris, the lead detective on the case, had
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Speaker 1: the honor of welcoming Sylvian's daughter, Angelina back to America.
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Speaker 1: The girl's safety is what they had hoped and prayed foremost.
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Speaker 1: I relieved that this has finally happened and that Angelina
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Speaker 1: can be um reuniting with her family and her mother
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Speaker 1: loved her so much. She was her world. The news
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Speaker 1: is closure of the teachers say, but they know the
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Speaker 1: days ahead, the court dates, tragic reminders, the outcome will
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Speaker 1: likely take a toll on Angelina. The faculty had really
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Speaker 1: high had a message for the young girl. She can
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Speaker 1: count on them. We're praying for you, and there's a
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Speaker 1: community of support behind you, and we know what an
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Speaker 1: amazing young child you are and now a young adult.
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Speaker 1: And and you're finally home, and you're finally at peace,
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Speaker 1: surrounded by tremendous love by this community. You're here in
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Speaker 1: the high school Secretary Amy Robillon and his sister, Principal
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Speaker 1: Julie May you talking with our friends at w f
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Speaker 1: A B nine TV about the return of Sylvian's baby girl, Angelina.
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Speaker 1: You know when they were talking about the safety of
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Speaker 1: the little girl. John Limley Crime Online dot Com investigative
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Speaker 1: reporter where you can find this and all other breaking
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Speaker 1: crime and justice news. John. She may be a star
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Speaker 1: witness against her own father. I guess she was in danger.
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Speaker 1: That is so correct, Nancy. Uh. It is just to
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Speaker 1: be seen exactly what role she will be playing in
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Speaker 1: the weeks and months to come. And to you. Renee Rockwell,
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Speaker 1: veteran defense attorney from the Baton Rouge Jurisdiction renee. Can
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Speaker 1: a child be put on the stand at a under
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Speaker 1: the law we call it a tender age. Nancy, she's twelve. Now,
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Speaker 1: these defense attorneys are gonna be going wild because there's
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Speaker 1: a great possibility of influencing this child's memory of what
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Speaker 1: happened that day. At the end of the day, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I say, there's no death penalty in this case. It'll
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Speaker 1: be a straight up murder trial without the death penalty,
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Speaker 1: and the d A's office will have a much better
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Speaker 1: chance of getting a conviction. Oh, I say, go all
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Speaker 1: the way. At least give the jury the option of
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Speaker 1: the death penalty, because you've got not only a murder
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Speaker 1: if the state improve it with all that blood, and
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Speaker 1: a lot's gonna depend. I'm gonna come back to Maroney
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Speaker 1: on the amount of blood and what, if anything, it proves.
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Speaker 1: But you've got it in combination with a parental kidnap,
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Speaker 1: taking the child out of the country, eluding authorities. And
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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering what role this little girl, now twelve
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Speaker 1: years old, will play at an upcoming trial of her
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Speaker 1: own father. Oscar Lozatta. We are talking about the disappearance
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Speaker 1: of Sylvian fink Lozada, a beautiful young mom teacher who
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Speaker 1: goes missing years ago out of the Baton Rouge jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: I want to take this opportunity to say hello to
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Speaker 1: all my Cajun friends from Baton Rouge and especially law
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Speaker 1: enforcement who worked all these years to solve this case.
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Speaker 1: To Dr William Maroney for now medical examiner and author
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Speaker 1: of a brand new book on Amazon American Narky and
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Speaker 1: Dr Maroney, how much blood do I need to show
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Speaker 1: a jury to prove to them that Sylvian is dead. Well,
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Speaker 1: the blood is gonna go through forensic DNA testing and
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Speaker 1: you're really only gonna need about as much as two
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Speaker 1: dimes small. That's completely acceptable in anything large enough to
23:51
Speaker 1: be splattered in the garage. Plus, the best part about
23:56
Speaker 1: it is the material more than likely is either gypsum
23:59
Speaker 1: or would It's been porous, so the blood is absorbed
24:04
Speaker 1: and it's trapped and protected, and the daughter is going
24:09
Speaker 1: to be able to contribute DNA to match to the
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Speaker 1: blood in the garage. This is just this is a wealth.
24:18
Speaker 1: This is a very rich scientific assessment. Well, what you're
24:21
Speaker 1: saying really doesn't make sense to me, Dr William Moroney,
24:24
Speaker 1: because there was blood not only on the walls in
24:28
Speaker 1: the garage, but also on the ceiling. I recently did
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Speaker 1: a blood demonstration with a blood expert that joins us
24:37
Speaker 1: quite often, Karen Smith, and there was a throwback blood
24:43
Speaker 1: on the ceiling that you get when you you hit
24:47
Speaker 1: somebody over her on the head and then you swing
24:49
Speaker 1: back to him again and it flies off your weapon.
24:53
Speaker 1: So what I'm saying, moroney, is why you're not making
24:55
Speaker 1: sense to me. And I'm sure it's on my end
24:58
Speaker 1: for me to believe some body is dead, I've got
25:02
Speaker 1: to say a lot of blood to dime size drops
25:05
Speaker 1: of blood is not going to convince They're not going
25:07
Speaker 1: to convince me she's dead. Now, the throwback on the
25:10
Speaker 1: ceiling might because I know that came from a beating
25:13
Speaker 1: more likely than not. But again, how much blood shows
25:18
Speaker 1: she bled to death or she died, well, the amount
25:20
Speaker 1: of blood that comes out and what we call an exanguination, um,
25:26
Speaker 1: you probably have to leave two or three pints on
25:30
Speaker 1: the floor to be disabled and then die, but the
25:34
Speaker 1: amount collected has yet to be determined. And throwback on
25:38
Speaker 1: the ceiling and blood splatters on the walls, if it's
25:41
Speaker 1: really involved in some kind of sharp force injury, trauma
25:45
Speaker 1: could include tissue which is really ridiculous, that the cutting
25:51
Speaker 1: up with a chainsaw or machetty, which is very common
25:56
Speaker 1: in those parishes, that would show dreamly violent activity at
26:03
Speaker 1: the crimes. When you say tissue, you may like brain tissue. Yeah,
26:07
Speaker 1: we're you know you're gonna You don't have to act
26:10
Speaker 1: so gleeful about it when I say brain tissue. But
26:13
Speaker 1: we need how many pints do you need to bleed out?
26:16
Speaker 1: Human body has a small people maybe six or seven,
26:20
Speaker 1: very big large people maybe nine. Okay, so she's small,
26:25
Speaker 1: so six pints. One pint equals two cups. Two cups
26:30
Speaker 1: are nothing, that's practically nothing. So for six pints, you
26:36
Speaker 1: need twelve cups to totally bleed out. John Lily Crime
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Speaker 1: online dot Com investigative reporter. Do we know how much
26:42
Speaker 1: blood was in the garage? They have not informed us
26:45
Speaker 1: as to the exacted amount, however. Uh. In addition to
26:48
Speaker 1: that suspected blood in the blood splatter in the garage,
26:53
Speaker 1: detectives also seized two cardboard cylinders, a pair of pink panties,
26:58
Speaker 1: a used roll of duct tape for DNA swabs from
27:03
Speaker 1: the garage floor, six diving weights, a roll of Kodak
27:07
Speaker 1: film to Motorola cell Phones, uh Sinc. Catch pipe and
27:11
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Speaker 1: closure came Thursday for Sylvian fink Lozada's best friend, Karen Wooley.
28:22
Speaker 1: I'm happy you stood in the couple's wedding and was
28:25
Speaker 1: one of her closest confidants. We shared a lot of
28:28
Speaker 1: times together before she got married, Once she got married,
28:32
Speaker 1: once she had a daughter, and we just have so
28:35
Speaker 1: many memories together, times that we've shared. What we has
28:40
Speaker 1: long said that oscar was the prime person responsible for
28:43
Speaker 1: Sylvian's disappearance. That's that's crazy. She knew about the secret
28:47
Speaker 1: abuse falls her friend kept at Bruley High School. You're
28:50
Speaker 1: hearing from our friends at w b r Z TV
28:54
Speaker 1: Channel two in Baton Rouge. That's Chris Nekamoto talking to
28:58
Speaker 1: Sylvian's friend Karen Woolly. You know Renee Rockwell, when you
29:03
Speaker 1: are hearing these names of the high school, I mean
29:06
Speaker 1: the school where she taught, and hearing her voice, it
29:13
Speaker 1: it's got to be bringing back memories of you growing
29:16
Speaker 1: up there, of that school. And you know, we're learning
29:21
Speaker 1: so much about her as a teacher and much she
29:23
Speaker 1: loved teaching French. And now we're learning that there were
29:29
Speaker 1: three incidents incidents documented incidents of domestic violence within the home.
29:36
Speaker 1: Sylvian the victim of domestic violence of her husband, oscar Lozatta. Renee.
29:42
Speaker 1: The interesting thing, now, what was that we're thinking about
29:46
Speaker 1: a trial. There's going to be a number of motions
29:50
Speaker 1: to try to exclude anything that she may have told
29:53
Speaker 1: her mother about a bad marriage, or told a friend
29:58
Speaker 1: about a bad marriage, or her plans to leave the marriage.
30:02
Speaker 1: But what comes in are the documented incidents where there
30:08
Speaker 1: were actually police officers called out to the scene. That
30:12
Speaker 1: is something that the defense team is going to have
30:15
Speaker 1: to deal with. Yeah, that's not going to be easy.
30:18
Speaker 1: And I think you know, it doesn't have to be
30:20
Speaker 1: a fingerprint identical crime to come in as a similar transaction.
30:26
Speaker 1: It can come in to show motive of course of
30:28
Speaker 1: conduct scheme, you know, the frame of mind at the
30:32
Speaker 1: time of the incident. So I predict these documented domestic
30:37
Speaker 1: violence incidents will come into evidence. I'm just wondering if
30:42
Speaker 1: they'll cut him a deal renee in exchange for him
30:45
Speaker 1: telling where the body is. I wouldn't want it. I
30:48
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to deal. I'd want to go forward without
30:51
Speaker 1: a body and take it to a jury. But they
30:55
Speaker 1: make her a deal with them, what do you think
30:56
Speaker 1: about that? Consider this, If she cuts it there with them,
31:02
Speaker 1: she's more likely to have some control as to whether
31:07
Speaker 1: or not his daughter gets gets returned to Mexico where
31:12
Speaker 1: in the last seven years or at least in the
31:15
Speaker 1: last few years she has some support system, or actually
31:20
Speaker 1: if mom from Belgium comes in to scoop these child up.
31:25
Speaker 1: The reason that the child is in Louisiana now, Nancy,
31:28
Speaker 1: is not because of family or a community support. The
31:32
Speaker 1: reason the child is there is for potential um the
31:35
Speaker 1: ability potentially to use her in a try. This is
31:39
Speaker 1: ever happened to you, Renee, because it happens to me
31:41
Speaker 1: all the time. I wish I could just go take
31:43
Speaker 1: Angelina and myself and have her come live with us,
31:46
Speaker 1: and and us have her here with John David and
31:49
Speaker 1: Lucy and the cat and the dog and the guinea
31:51
Speaker 1: pigs and Grandmommy, the whole kid and kiboodle. I don't
31:55
Speaker 1: like the idea of her being in fostercare. She's got
31:58
Speaker 1: no mom, her dad is behind bars from murder, and
32:02
Speaker 1: now she's stuck in foster care. Exactly Nancy. But I
32:05
Speaker 1: have a feeling you'd be in a wrong line if
32:07
Speaker 1: you wanted to grab that little precious angel up. You know,
32:10
Speaker 1: a relative on the mom's side, on Sylvian's mom's side,
32:15
Speaker 1: is expected to take custody of the little girl if
32:20
Speaker 1: I don't get her first. But she was located at
32:23
Speaker 1: a school in Mexico near where she had been living
32:26
Speaker 1: with her father. Where you're learning from investigators, they've been
32:31
Speaker 1: tracking Lazada for years and finally tracked him down in
32:34
Speaker 1: Mexico with the help of the US agencies and an
32:38
Speaker 1: arrest warrant filed on Thursday. He is accused of one
32:41
Speaker 1: count of second degree murder. Well, that rules out the
32:46
Speaker 1: death penalty right there. Why is it second degree? I
32:49
Speaker 1: don't understand that, John Linley. They have not given us
32:51
Speaker 1: the reasoning behind that. That is a peculiar point in
32:55
Speaker 1: this investigation and the information that they released at the
32:59
Speaker 1: press country. I don't like that at all. To Dr
33:03
Speaker 1: William Moroney, As you know Dr Moroney from all the
33:08
Speaker 1: cases in which you have investigated as the medical examiner
33:11
Speaker 1: and been a witness, evidence after the crime, after the
33:15
Speaker 1: murder can be brought in as well. I think if
33:18
Speaker 1: this had been some sort of an accident or a
33:20
Speaker 1: crime of passion, why would you then hide the body
33:23
Speaker 1: and plastic bands and dispose of it in lead the
33:25
Speaker 1: country with your daughter. That sounds like murder one to me,
33:28
Speaker 1: absolutely trying to hide something there, and that's why, hopefully
33:33
Speaker 1: more than just blood splatter. If we can get some tissue.
33:37
Speaker 1: We're talking longbone joints, eye globes, mouthparts, brain matter, colon, lungs,
33:43
Speaker 1: and genitals. If we can get pieces of the body,
33:47
Speaker 1: then you can say, look, this is not there wasn't
33:50
Speaker 1: just an accident here. If it was an accident somebody died,
33:54
Speaker 1: then you're not going to have multiparts, brain, hair, joints,
33:57
Speaker 1: and genitals. This person was cut up. They were remember,
34:00
Speaker 1: you know this is what else I'm I'm learning. Detectives
34:04
Speaker 1: claim surveillance video from you know where Renee Rockwell Lows
34:10
Speaker 1: on South Mail Drive and Baton Rouge shows Lozatta with
34:15
Speaker 1: his daughter. I wonder if she has a memory of
34:17
Speaker 1: this walking into Lows buying fifteen bags of concrete nine
34:24
Speaker 1: five gallon buckets with lids and luggage locks. Following the
34:28
Speaker 1: trip to Lows, According to the warrant that we have obtained,
34:32
Speaker 1: Oscar and his daughter, Lozado and his daughter, then just
34:35
Speaker 1: four years old, go out to chuck e cheese. Now
34:38
Speaker 1: that's quite an afternoon shopping spree. You go buy a
34:41
Speaker 1: bunch of cement to weigh down your mommy's body, and
34:44
Speaker 1: then you got to chuck e cheese. Renee I could
34:46
Speaker 1: wait to tell that to a jury, and then you
34:49
Speaker 1: go to the airport, Nancy. I often wondered they're gonna
34:52
Speaker 1: try to maybe hypnotize his child to ask her, dej
34:56
Speaker 1: do you remember going to the Mississippi River bridge and
34:59
Speaker 1: throw throwing something off of the Chapelaya River Bridge and
35:03
Speaker 1: throwing something off the bridge. I'd often wonder if they'll
35:06
Speaker 1: try to poor little thing, question that daughter about any
35:10
Speaker 1: incidet like that. To visit Hill former Nashville p D
35:14
Speaker 1: turned private eye. What about this, Vincent? Give me your analysis,
35:17
Speaker 1: because according to the warrant that we have obtained, quote,
35:21
Speaker 1: during the search of the garage, crime scene analysts located
35:23
Speaker 1: suspected blood and at least nine different areas of the garage. Nancy.
35:28
Speaker 1: That tells me something tragic happened in that house. If
35:31
Speaker 1: it was contained a one area, then maybe she cut
35:33
Speaker 1: herself shaving or something. But if it's in nine different
35:36
Speaker 1: areas of that had herself shaving in the garage, Nancy,
35:39
Speaker 1: you never know. Why do you say things like that?
35:41
Speaker 1: You know you may find blood in my farm. You
35:44
Speaker 1: know that may be in the kitchen from when I
35:46
Speaker 1: kept myself earlier. But more importantly, there's nine different locations,
35:49
Speaker 1: were bloody kitchen, vincent. If there's nine different places, that
35:53
Speaker 1: means something happened in that house. And to the little girl,
35:56
Speaker 1: she's twelve now she was five, then she's old enough.
35:59
Speaker 1: She was old enough and to actually remember what happened.
36:02
Speaker 1: All of us at five years old have memories of
36:05
Speaker 1: what happened to us when we were five. If she
36:06
Speaker 1: was five months, maybe not, But the fact that she
36:09
Speaker 1: was five, I can assure you that little girl remembers
36:12
Speaker 1: everything that happened that day. Well, let me tell you
36:15
Speaker 1: something else. We've learned. The blood was tested at the
36:18
Speaker 1: Louisiana State Police Crime Lab and it is that of Sylvian,
36:22
Speaker 1: according to the warrant. There's also been no activity on
36:25
Speaker 1: Sylvian's bank account or credit cards since her disappearance. We
36:30
Speaker 1: are learning that now. According to what he told investigators
36:34
Speaker 1: that could speak to him when he was in Venezuela,
36:37
Speaker 1: he said he had no idea where she was, but
36:40
Speaker 1: a search of records. So police have been called to
36:43
Speaker 1: the couple's home many times for domestic disturbances, including an
36:47
Speaker 1: incident when detectives noted in their report Oscar allegedly admitted
36:53
Speaker 1: Lozatta admitted he quote snapped and struck Sylvian. Okay, yeah,
36:58
Speaker 1: that's coming in. You know, Renee Rockwell, you and I
37:01
Speaker 1: have had many many cases against each other. Wisely, I
37:04
Speaker 1: don't think I ever actually tried a jury trial against you.
37:08
Speaker 1: And as we have ended so many cases, Renee, could
37:11
Speaker 1: could you just speak a little cajun to the listeners?
37:16
Speaker 1: Ha we You know, I want to say that probably
37:24
Speaker 1: as his defense team, here's all that that's not Cage
37:28
Speaker 1: and Renee, because I can understand it. As they hear
37:30
Speaker 1: the evidence come in, they're gonna say something like dem basa,
37:34
Speaker 1: which means, don't tell me that. As the evidence room
37:39
Speaker 1: will be You're taking me back, Renee, to all the
37:41
Speaker 1: good times with the rapists and the murderers and the
37:44
Speaker 1: dope dealers. In the Fulton County Courthouse, we wait as
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Speaker 1: justice un false Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye
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Speaker 1: friend