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Fire, Fire, Pants on Fire | Political Capital Daily · Political Capital with Rob Shaw

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  Speaker 1: and this is Political Capital Daily. Well, well, well, so
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  Speaker 1: we meet again on this Friday morning at the end
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  Speaker 1: of a week. The busiest week in BC politics. I
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  Speaker 1: probably say that every week, but sweet mercy. A writ
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  Speaker 1: drop all the way into the first few days of
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  Speaker 1: a campaign. And today on our Friday, the old Political
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  Speaker 1: Capital double shot with The Daily Show this morning and
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  Speaker 1: the Prime panel this afternoon. Jeff Ferrier pulling double duty
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  Speaker 1: for Political Capital today. Good morning, Jeff. Thanks for being here.
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  Speaker 2: Double double, just like I don't like my coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like a double double either. It's just
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  Speaker 1: too sweet. You don't need two servings of sugar. Also,
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  Speaker 2: Nespresso is not too bad. They've got some good little pods.
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  Speaker 1: Do they? Nespresso?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Tokyo ones I like.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Nespresso. Hi, I'm Rob Shaw for Nespresso.
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  Speaker 1: If you're looking for a great morning coffee....
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  Speaker 2: Ah.
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  Speaker 1: It doesn't work. I've tried it before. They don't want
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  Speaker 1: my sponsorship. They've said actually they would pay me to
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  Speaker 1: stay away from the brand. So, I mean, that's good
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  Speaker 1: enough for me. Money is money. But I'm a big
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  Speaker 1: Nespresso fan too. Speaking of paying to stay away from
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  Speaker 1: the brand, this segue doesn't quite work, but the brand
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  Speaker 1: of Premier David Eby in a bit of the old
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  Speaker 1: trouble with a new Angus Reid poll out that shook
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  Speaker 1: up BC's political race. The Angus Reid survey showing that
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  Speaker 1: the B.C. conservatives had jumped to a 10-point lead amongst
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  Speaker 1: decided voters at 43% approval in the last two days,
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  Speaker 1: up six points, while the NDP had fallen to 35%.
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  Speaker 1: The title of the survey was basically a backlash for,
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact title, but it was a
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  Speaker 1: backlash of some type for ballot backlash. No, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that's right. This is early in the morning. I
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  Speaker 1: don't remember the title of it, but Backlash was in
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  Speaker 1: the title, Jeff, and seemed to be the kind of
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  Speaker 1: conclusion of the polling firm that going early has produced
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  Speaker 1: this sort of reverse effect for the NDP's fortunes, and
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  Speaker 1: they're now tailing the Greens. What did you think of that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, first thing I'll say is that 43 minus 35
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  Speaker 2: is an 8-point lead, not a 10-point lead.
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  Speaker 1: Look, that's a dangerous thing to correct a host on
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  Speaker 1: their math live. on a podcast. Cause next thing you know,
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  Speaker 1: you start speaking and stuff starts happening, but go ahead. Uh, no,
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  Speaker 1: keep going. That's good.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So, uh, all right, I'll stop now. You are correct.
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  Speaker 1: That is the correct mathematical. I mean, we had a
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  Speaker 1: whole debate once on the accounting procedures of ICBC, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised that I defeated you so soundly in that
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  Speaker 1: debate when you clearly have superior math skills.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, well, your paper losses were trumped by my realized, uh,
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  Speaker 2: losses and lack thereof. So there's a deep cut and
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  Speaker 2: no one cares. They care about the poll. They care
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  Speaker 2: about the poll and they want to hear what folks
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  Speaker 2: have to say about it. And, uh, it's a, uh,
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  Speaker 2: a tough one for the NDP. I think it reflects, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the conversation that's been going on over the first few
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  Speaker 2: days of the campaign about, um, It's not about Trump now.
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  Speaker 2: It's about the election call and the timing of the
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  Speaker 2: election call and concerns people have about that. And you
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  Speaker 2: see campaigns early on, the people who call them, often
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  Speaker 2: they'll see a dip in support. This is kind of
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  Speaker 2: a bigger dip, I would say, than folks were expecting.
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  Speaker 2: It's one poll. It's early on. There's some weird.
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  Speaker 2: Cross tabs in there about what support is in various regions. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, for the NDP, it's like going into
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  Speaker 2: the first period of a hockey game, you've got a
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  Speaker 2: plan and the other team scores two quick goals and
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  Speaker 2: you got to decide to stick to the plan, believe
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  Speaker 2: in the plan or pivot.
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  Speaker 1: I like Mike Tyson said, everyone's got a plan until
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  Speaker 1: they get punched in the mouth. And then, uh, then
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  Speaker 1: you got to go from there. So some other figures
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  Speaker 1: that stood out to me in here, 62% of people
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  Speaker 1: surveyed said it's too soon. for the Premier to call
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  Speaker 1: an election amongst NDP supporters. In the last election, that
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  Speaker 1: figure was 54%. 56% of people worried that the BC
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  Speaker 1: Conservatives are not ready to assume power, which is a
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  Speaker 1: good number for the NDP in here, and 39% feeling
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  Speaker 1: there's no viable options for parties to support. But that
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  Speaker 1: figure of NDP supporters, including a number within folks who
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  Speaker 1: voted NDP, 51% said they agree that the Premier is
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  Speaker 1: trying to put his interests to stay in power and
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  Speaker 1: over the interests of the province, which is not a
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  Speaker 1: good thing for NDP supporters to be saying there too.
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  Speaker 1: Is that any of that worrying? Does it reflect the
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  Speaker 1: base or is that, what do you think of that, Jeff?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think both sides are flirting with danger on
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  Speaker 2: this one. As you point out, there's a number of
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  Speaker 2: NDP supporters who are like, why are we having this election?
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  Speaker 2: It's two years in, we have two more years to go.
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  Speaker 2: what's going on here. But then you have 56% of
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  Speaker 2: people in the province saying, my goodness, the alternative, the
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  Speaker 2: BC Conservatives are not ready to govern. They've had this
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  Speaker 2: history of chaos and infighting and private investigators. And, you know,
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  Speaker 2: folks are not sure that these are the people that
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  Speaker 2: give the keys to the Premier's office. And so it's
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  Speaker 2: a tough number for the NDP. But if I'm them,
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  Speaker 2: I'm heartened by the fact that the election call timing
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  Speaker 2: will fade over time as an issue, perhaps. I think
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  Speaker 2: there's a greater likelihood of that happening than people saying,
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  Speaker 2: oh yeah, those conservatives who brought us so much chaos,
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  Speaker 2: those guys are too risky to actually have in power.
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  Speaker 2: So we'll see how it plays out.
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  Speaker 1: What about, and the only last thing on this poll,
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  Speaker 1: there was a section on the top items that voters
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  Speaker 1: are interested in. And I noticed that U.S. President Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump And the trade war was number seven on the
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  Speaker 1: list of items voters consider important below affordability, health care, crime,
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  Speaker 1: pretty much every subject you can think of. The deficit, jobs,
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  Speaker 1: the economy, housing, and then Trump. And I guess I
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  Speaker 1: paused at that because I thought, wait a second, it
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  Speaker 1: looks like the NDP's re-election campaign so far is almost
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  Speaker 1: fashioned entirely around Trump. and the fear and standing up
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  Speaker 1: to Trump and the other guys are Trump lovers and
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  Speaker 1: we're not, is that a, a thing to pause if
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  Speaker 1: you're in the NDP campaign that maybe they've, they haven't
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  Speaker 1: picked the top issue in the minds of voters?
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  Speaker 2: I think there, there's going to be, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure the campaign team is looking at this and looking
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  Speaker 2: at their own research and asking these questions every day.
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  Speaker 2: I would, maybe it's the, you know, the positioning of
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  Speaker 2: these in relation to Trump, because the NDP has been
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  Speaker 2: talking about jobs, economy, affordability. That's, you know, what the
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  Speaker 2: whole Trump thing is about.
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  Speaker 1: It's about a.
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  Speaker 2: Country and a president who are doing things to weaken
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  Speaker 2: our economy, take away jobs, make our lives more expensive,
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  Speaker 2: take paychecks away from workers. So I think the NDP
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  Speaker 2: is on the right track there. And they had an
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  Speaker 2: announcement on health care about recruiting U.S. health care workers
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  Speaker 2: to Canada the other day, too. So they're talking about that. But,
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  Speaker 2: you know, they're focused on the right issues. They've just
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  Speaker 2: got to figure out if this if Trump isn't the
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  Speaker 2: way to address them, they need to pivot to maybe
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  Speaker 2: just to head on, focus on those issues.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. OK, let's take a quick break and we'll come
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  Speaker 1: up with some more discussion on the election campaign. Political
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  Speaker 1: couple other themes on the campaign trail we should talk
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  Speaker 1: about here, Jeff. First, the fire metaphors, fire guards, wildfires,
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  Speaker 1: smoke and standing up and fighting fires and fighting for
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  Speaker 1: Canada and Donald Trump, this sort of tortured metaphor the
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  Speaker 1: premier has tried to use the first few days of
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  Speaker 1: the campaign to Conservative leader Lorne Dirksen out. His Caribou
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  Speaker 1: Chilcotin community was hit by fires, and he was demanding
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  Speaker 1: an apology from the premier for using the summer wildfire
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  Speaker 1: season as a metaphor, given that someone died and 500 structures,
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  Speaker 1: many homes were burned down. The premier not giving an
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  Speaker 1: inch on that when he was asked yesterday. Let's just
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  Speaker 1: listen to a little bit of that exchange.
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  Speaker 3: Be somehow comparing an election call. by using terms like
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  Speaker 3: fire guards and all these things, to me, is appalling.
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  Speaker 3: And I really think that the Premier owes the people
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  Speaker 3: that have been affected by these fires in such horrendous ways,
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  Speaker 3: I think he owes all of them an apology.
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  Speaker 4: I will never apologize for asking British Columbia to pull together,
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  Speaker 4: just like they pulled together during the fires, to stand
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  Speaker 4: up to the incredible threat that we face.
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  Speaker 1: The other part of this, Jeff, on this whole fire
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  Speaker 1: thing was footage that GlobalBC found of Lorne Dirksen as
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  Speaker 1: an MLA in 2022 in Williams Lake going to a
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  Speaker 1: scene of a wildfire to check on constituents, seeing there's
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  Speaker 1: not enough volunteers. So he grabs a hose in his
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  Speaker 1: t-shirt and trundles into the bush with this hose and
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  Speaker 1: starts to fight the fire and does an interview in
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  Speaker 1: the bush. And the concert has put out a meme
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  Speaker 1: very quickly on the digital side saying Lorne fights fires.
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  Speaker 1: EB uses fires as metaphors for his campaign. That took
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  Speaker 1: off a little bit, some quick work by the conservative
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  Speaker 1: digital campaign. What did you make of this back and
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  Speaker 1: forth here on this issue?
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  Speaker 2: I think the point the premier was trying to make
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  Speaker 2: is that when you're facing danger, you stand up to it.
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  Speaker 2: You don't back down. And maybe the metaphor didn't land
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  Speaker 2: with some folks. But whatever happened to free speech? I
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  Speaker 2: was reading the conservative party of British Columbia's policy document,
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  Speaker 2: still online, unlike anybody. everything else that they've scrubbed off
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  Speaker 2: the website and who knows why, but it says we
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  Speaker 2: stand up for, for free speech and people shouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: appalled by, by, uh, things folks say.
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  Speaker 1: Are the ostriches still on the website or did they
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  Speaker 1: get rid of that too?
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  Speaker 2: Uh, I didn't see the ostriches in there, but there
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  Speaker 2: was the point about hiring back healthcare workers who didn't
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  Speaker 2: get vaccinated. Right.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So, um, look at, I think, the there's no denying
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  Speaker 2: that the, uh, video of Lauren Dirksen fighting fires, uh,
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  Speaker 2: is a good look for a guy that is just
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  Speaker 2: being introduced, uh, to the province. I think the question,
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  Speaker 2: the bigger question is, is what does he actually stand for?
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  Speaker 2: He has, apart from saying he's going to tear up DRIPA,
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  Speaker 2: he hasn't communicated at all to people about what his
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  Speaker 2: policies are, what his vision is for leading the province, uh, uh,
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  Speaker 2: if his focus is different from Carrie Lynn Finley's. But
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  Speaker 2: in terms of policies, he hasn't articulated where the difference is.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's something that will have to come
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  Speaker 2: in the campaign and we'll see how that goes for him.
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  Speaker 1: It's so fascinating to have this guy appear out of
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  Speaker 1: basically nowhere and basically be defined by his opponents and
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  Speaker 1: by himself in real time during an election campaign. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not sure I've ever quite seen that, Jeff. Most leaders
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  Speaker 1: go in with some type of record or something. They
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  Speaker 1: don't come in as a blank slate. To have an
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  Speaker 1: entire take of the public written on the fly in
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  Speaker 1: real time, someone they've never even heard of before in
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  Speaker 1: a campaign, is sort of kind of fascinating to me
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  Speaker 1: when we're watching 32 days of who the heck is
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Dirksen.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's what the campaign, I think, will be
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  Speaker 2: from here on in. There's going to be a sense of,
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  Speaker 2: it's one thing to be upset about about the timing
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  Speaker 2: of an election call and expressing that anger early on
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  Speaker 2: in a campaign is something completely different when you're at
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  Speaker 2: the ballot box and making the choice of, well, who
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  Speaker 2: do I trust, uh, to govern? And if it's someone,
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  Speaker 2: one of the, if the option is someone you don't know, uh,
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  Speaker 2: who you don't know where they, you don't know where
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  Speaker 2: they stand, uh, you don't know where they're going to
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  Speaker 2: take the province. You see their party's been in a
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  Speaker 2: sense of chaos for what seems like months. Maybe you
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  Speaker 2: reconsider what you said and what you thought at the
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  Speaker 2: beginning of the campaign. I mean, the NDP's challenges are
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  Speaker 2: clear to see just by looking at the numbers. But
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  Speaker 2: I think how Lauren Dirksen is defined in this campaign,
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  Speaker 2: and I think there's a lot of time to go
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of questions to be asked and answered.
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  Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, the conservative campaign working pretty quickly these days. I've noticed, uh,
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  Speaker 1: they've got, uh, Rustad people, Halford people, federal liberals, federal conservatives,
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  Speaker 1: original conservatives, the gun conservatives, all kind of in the
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  Speaker 1: same war room now. And it's, uh, I've never seen
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  Speaker 1: this many conservatives, uh, rowing in the same direction. So that, uh,
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  Speaker 1: the fact they're out quickly on digital things is, uh,
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  Speaker 1: interesting to watch. It reminds me a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: of like the 2024 campaign, Jeff. I remember like the
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  Speaker 1: plastic straws and the quick moves and the sort of
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  Speaker 1: the pivots. I don't know if we'll see that in
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  Speaker 1: this campaign, but they're certainly very quick. So one other
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  Speaker 1: issue I just want to get into here before we go,
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  Speaker 1: the USA issue, the Premier out again saying that the Conservatives,
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  Speaker 1: he said this every day now, want to make British
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  Speaker 1: Columbia a America Jr. and a protectorate of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: He's referencing some past comments from MLAs. He says the
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  Speaker 1: conservatives want to put U.S. booze back on the shelves.
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Dirksen saying if those references were made, he doesn't
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  Speaker 1: agree with them. Won't be putting booze back on. Thinks
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  Speaker 1: Trump is a bully. The two deadlocked on that. Here's
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  Speaker 1: a bit of that exchange.
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  Speaker 4: Now, yeah, Lauren Dirksen seems like a nice guy. But
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  Speaker 4: I never heard him say the word Trump before this election.
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  Speaker 4: And when his colleagues said we should be a protectorate
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  Speaker 4: of the United States, put the booze back on the shelves,
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  Speaker 4: that we should comply with Trump, where was he?
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  Speaker 3: He didn't say anything.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't stand up to the mega conservatives in his
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  Speaker 4: own caucus. How could he possibly stand up to Trump?
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  Speaker 5: Well, he must be kidding me because I am certainly
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  Speaker 5: not a supporter of Trump. I think Trump is a bully.
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  Speaker 5: But what David Eby needed to do years ago was
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  Speaker 5: prepare this province for this kind of a fight.
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  Speaker 3: And he did not do that.
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  Speaker 1: Jeff, what do you think of this back and forth?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I did. I'm a political nerd and I did
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  Speaker 2: go through the Hansard of all the debates. Really? Geez.
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  Speaker 1: That's hardcore.
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  Speaker 2: The last two years. You can do weird things with
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  Speaker 2: coding now. Yeah, you can. And I looked up Lauren
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  Speaker 2: Dirksen and Trump and there were zero instances of I
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  Speaker 2: looked at economy. He said two things. One of them
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  Speaker 2: was related to his local rodeo and how that strengthens
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  Speaker 2: the local economy.
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  Speaker 1: He was a rodeo cowboy. I think that's what they
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  Speaker 1: call him.
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  Speaker 2: That's the next video that's going to come out. Just watch.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be him doing eight seconds on a
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  Speaker 2: broncing buck.
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  Speaker 1: Quite a video. What will people say about me? But
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  Speaker 1: this back and forth here on ultra mega, you know,
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  Speaker 1: silent on Trump. Do you think that's landing with the public?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think we'll see if it lands. I think
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  Speaker 2: it has the benefit of being, uh, being accurate in
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  Speaker 2: what the premier is saying. Uh, you have David Williams, uh,
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  Speaker 2: in MLA saying that, you know, British Columbia should be
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  Speaker 2: part of a Western bloc that's a protectorate of the
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  Speaker 2: United States. You have Lawrence Mock, uh, in MLA and,
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  Speaker 2: Maple Ridge area who said the boo should go back
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  Speaker 2: on the shelves. When that was said, no one in
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  Speaker 2: the conservative caucus or leadership said anything about it. And,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I think the big challenge that Dirksen is
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  Speaker 2: going to have to face is that he's part of
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  Speaker 2: a party where 43,000 people voted for who they wanted
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  Speaker 2: to be leader. And their vision was Carrie Lynn Finley
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  Speaker 2: or Caroline Elliott, two people have said, we need to
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: have culture wars in British Columbia to succeed as a province. So,
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: you know, we'll see where this leads. It doesn't look
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: like the Trump stuff is landing as the NDP wants.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's because it's being overshadowed by the early election
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: call initial pushback. But we'll see if they stick with it.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: We'll see if they pivot. Yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: 29 days i think left in this campaign that's like
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: seven political lifetimes in today's uh news cycle so who
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: knows we're gonna be talking about stuff we could never
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: have imagined even talking about by the time we get
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to the end of this campaign which is the beauty
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: and the curse of modern politics i think.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: We've been through what seems like all the events of
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: a complete election campaign in the first three days.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I know. Well, the last four months have been like
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: three election cycles historically where leaders come and go and
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: fall all through multiple campaigns. So it's just.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: My prediction is there'll be at least four more leadership
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: changes between the two parties in the next.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: week.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Until they all get back to the original leaders, but, uh, okay. Well, interesting.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Christy Clark and Adrian Dix again. Back to 2013.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Uh, that was, uh, oh man, what was the, um,
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: what was Adrian Dix's slogan?
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: It was, uh, change for the better, for the better,
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: one practical step at a time.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: I did see, uh, speaking of old, uh, political slogans,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: I saw a conservative one from Gavin Dew about, uh,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: awakening the dragon, uh, which was a line the conservatives
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: were using now that the NDP called a snap election.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: At the bottom of it, he said, the people are coming.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And I remember the people are coming being George Abbott's
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: BC liberal leadership campaign when he was running against Christy Clark,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I think 20, God, what year is it? 2011. And
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: it was the people are coming and it had like
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: a little like torch or And I still remember it
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: being one of the weirdest campaigns that I had seen
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: because it was like, people are coming to what? Burn
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: this place down? Or what is this? Is it like
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: a mob? Like, I couldn't quite figure out the people
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: are coming, but that was at the bottom.
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: The lantern of truth.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: The lantern of truth is here to burn this place
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to the ground. So everything.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Don't use those analogies.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, sorry. I'm sorry.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: Don't.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I apologize on behalf of the people of British Columbia.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Again. Again.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: You don't get through one episode without apologizing. It's not
• 21:33
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• 21:36
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• 21:39
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• 21:40
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• 21:50
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• 21:56
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• 22:03
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