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#216 - For Azeroth!: “Talented and Troubled” · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  Victory for the Forsaken for Lord, are on for the Kirin, Tor
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  and REO for calendar organ. Alias us Endora.
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  For the alliance for Azeroth. This episode of for Azeroth, is
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  Hello and welcome to for Azeroth.
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  My name is Olivia and I am joined as always by the truest
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  villain himself, Manny Manny. I was a little work.
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  I've been treating you. So there's there's things are
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  coming. There are things that are here.
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  There are things that I'm looking forward to and things
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  that are just over the horizon. So we are here and it's nine
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  point. Two point five has been out for
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  a couple of days. I've been Living through all the
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  story content on that loving, pretty much everything that I'm
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  seeing in terms of wear, or at least the beats that they're
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  doing. And we're going to be talking
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  about that a lot more soon, but it seems really strange.
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  I again, I liked what I saw. I liked what I experienced but
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  it's so late. I wish this.
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  This was in, this was in 9.2 pop proper.
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  I wish that some of the stuff that was leading to, this was in
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  previous patches to say it, to say that it was going forward,
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  but that is not what we got. We had just this drought of,
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  where's the story going? Where's the story going?
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  And I guess to see it now makes me a lot more hopeful about How
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  the story is going to be handled in the future.
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  Excuse me. I don't mean to cut you off.
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  But like we had like the whole arcing story of shadowlands
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  culminated in the raid in nine to five or nine point two.
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  With with, you know, Sepulchre of the first ones.
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  And that kind of just felt like, at least to me, it just kind of
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  felt like it happened, but there wasn't enough building up.
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  To that moment in the raid. And then after like, we got, we
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  got some, you know, closure with Sylvanas, but that's kind of it.
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  And this story that they've introduced now and 9:00 to 5:00
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  feels like where they should have ended what they brought to
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  the table with 9.2. Yeah.
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  Like you with you. I don't want to say that.
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  It's too little too late because it's it just, it feels too late.
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  It's not too. It's great Kudos kudos to the
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  Cinematic team kudos to even the quest writers.
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  I think I enjoy these Quest and it felt like a sizeable amount
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  of content to go through. Did it all and be physically a
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  day and a half of play. Like I played, I actually played
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  this on stream and I think the stream lasted roughly about an
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  hour. Our for the first bit of the
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  content that I did with all the stuff that had the cinematics.
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  And then for some of the other stuff I did on a later day, and
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  I'm happy about that. But yeah, it just, I was like, I
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  wish more of this had happened. Sooner regardless, though, in my
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  day-to-day playthrough. I have started to just play
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  around. With elemental, because my re
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  team is now saying, okay, we can have cross round Mythic and that
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  means that. Hey, Manny you can you do
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  Mythic, but we're melee heavy and it's biting us on the, but
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  when we're dealing with something so playing around with
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  elemental doing, okay, my weapons aren't as great as my
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  weapons were but luckily I can do a build with Basically, a lot
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  of the same gear, and only a few things that I need to switch
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  around. So, Went out.
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  Got myself a legendary. That's good for rating trying to
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  learn the ins and outs of the rotation with with all the stuff
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  that's there. And yeah that's been being the
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  playthrough, but unfortunately my team didn't quite get the OTC
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  kill. We had a 1% wipe and we're
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  crying about it because like it was it was there it?
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  There. And then it just went
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  pear-shaped right at the end there and makes you things that
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  make you say, get your crap together, you know.
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  Oh, yeah, and yes, with Critter get your crap together.
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  I also read with them because this was the week that cross
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  faction rating is available. And even though I'm hoard, so
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  obvious, like in red would get your crap together.
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  I rated with several teams this week.
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  So I got on the horse I'd get your crap together as well as my
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  main rate team on the line sign. I got To play with failings of
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  Nod, I filled in with Ali, who celebrated her anniversary with
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  sniper frog. So congratulations to Ali and
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  sniper on your anniversary. I hope you guys have a shame
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  indeed. Yep.
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  I hope you guys have many more happy years and it was big shoes
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  to fill, but I did. All right, I think, And then, of
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  course, I because I've been doing all that rating.
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  I haven't had any chance to do much Mythic plus, and it seems
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  like a good week, the push. I just, I just have not had the
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  time, so possibly gonna squeeze in a couple of dungeons this
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  weekend so that I can get something in my Vault.
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  Yeah, that's always, that's always the goal.
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  At least for me is like, well, it's the weekend.
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  I guess. I, you know, you should try to
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  You know, get a couple of keys in just to just to have
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  something but but no, my my last two weeks in, WoW, have been not
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  non-existent. Like I've played the game
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  obviously in the last two weeks, but I got hit with the covid.
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  So I've been spending the majority of my time in the last
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  two weeks recovering, trying to take it easy.
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  Like I've been on my computer, probably a little bit more than
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  I should have been during that time.
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  Should have should have been, you know, in bed, you know,
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  watch an anime with a cup of tea, but you know, I get
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  restless. So so yeah, I myself, I in my
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  play of World of Warcraft, this week.
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  I haven't, I haven't done the quest lines because I'm trying
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  to get a one of my, one of my Through a blood elves, caught up
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  in in the campaign because I have been spending, most of my
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  time in the last couple of months on Alliance.
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  I haven't had as much time on my on my blood elves on my horn
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  characters to get them cut up with with the story and the
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  zeroth mortise and through the campaign and everything.
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  So I've been spending a little bit more of my time trying to
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  catch those characters up so that I can do the special thing
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  specifically. I'm going for the blood Knight
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  armor. Or so that's that's where the
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  majority of my time has been spent but I did get to raid with
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  Timber my Tavern again this past Monday and got a couple of more
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  heroic bosses under my belt. So I'm not, I'm probably still
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  going to be a little bit out before I get my OTC kill as
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  well, but I'm getting there. I'm getting there, slow, but
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  steady. Yeah, I think that we would have
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  gotten the kill, had it not been for patch day and Patch day for
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  nine point. Two point five in North America
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  was a Hab, salute messed. We had servers down so long that
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  I feared that the European servers would come up before the
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  na servers. They said it to say, okay.
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  We're going to have it going till five ps t 4.
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  Me over here on the Eastern Standard Time.
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  That was 8:00, and I'm like, okay and then they extended it
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  and then they extended it again and finally got in and said, all
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  right. Well, you know, I'll do a couple
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  of things before I have to jump in for raid, but then servers
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  were just a mess trying to even get out of or Bose was
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  impossible. Every portal.
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  Every teleport every harsh. I tried instance not found
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  canceled back in getting disconnected.
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  We lost half our rate night. It was, it was quite the mess
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  and the issues didn't stop there.
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  On the first day. We had an issue with dots and
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  Hots, not pandemic Inge. And for those who don't know
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  what a pandemic is. It is an effect.
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  Where if you refresh a damaged, Or healing over time on a
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  Target. Part of the existing duration is
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  tacked on top of the new one that you put on.
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  So if I flame shock and I have less than let's say 6.5 seconds
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  on it because I actually know what the time to refresh the
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  flame shock is then that 6.5 seconds or less is added on to
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  the full duration of the new flame shock.
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  Which is very good for a lot of classes, especially dot classes
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  because it means that they're not wasting damage.
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  They are able to then use that extra time.
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  That's tacked on to do other abilities cast, other spells,
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  and maybe move around without that dot falling off and really
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  without the pandemic. It just meant that it was a huge
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  hit to some classes that rely on that in terms.
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  Of their damage. So that was another thing to get
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  through, and that seems to be sorted out.
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  But then we had cross-faction issues, where if you were going
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  cross faction, sometimes you wouldn't be able to use the
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  different utilities that the friends on the other side of the
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  faction divided could use or you might have some weird error in
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  terms of loot or in the most egregious cases.
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  For cross faction. PVP.
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  It had to be shut down altogether while they were
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  trying to sort that out. So ranked cross faction, PVP.
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  Unfortunately, looks like I wish they had gotten some more
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  testing but that is one of the things that was bugged or Dead
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  on Arrival. Yeah, it's not.
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  It's not like this was unexpected, like they're making
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  a huge shift in the game where they're opening up everything.
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  To where we can play cross faction, which is like, from the
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  early days of the game. It was always hard coded to be
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  two separate factions. Like you're either hoarder
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  Alliance and never, the two shall mix.
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  So this was a huge undertaking in a .5 patch that they decided
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  to put this in. So a little bit of this was
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  expected. I don't think anyone could have
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  expected the extent to which problems arose.
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  I wish I could say that, but I have been talking with so many
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  people were like why? Didn't.
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  They also do cross faction guilds and such like that, like
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  asking for more when even what we got, needed a lot more work
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  and a lot more time in the oven. Well, I am one of those people
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  asking for more, but I have also not under the delusion that they
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  could get it in time for 925, the stuff that I'm asking for
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  which is specifically cross-faction guilds.
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  But I mean like I don't mean to talk about you in particular but
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  there are they were definitely people who were saying.
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  Oh the only reason they're not doing cross Guild especially
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  when a bug was found on the PTR that allowed people to join the
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  same Guild, they were saying, oh the only reason they're not
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  doing it is because They're being lazy or because they're
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  afraid or whatever insert reason that cannot be validated and one
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  way or another. So there were people genuinely
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  who felt that all the cross faction stuff was done and dealt
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  with and only reason that we weren't getting more was because
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  of Blizzard not actually listening to the community and
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  what they wanted. Yeah, that not my argument just
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  for the record, but it is something that Why that I do
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  want and something that I'm, you know, definitely definitely
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  willing to talk about and and share my thoughts and opinions
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  on that. But I think we have a little bit
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  more pressing matters to get into.
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  So, first things first, we got some some pretty huge news that
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  dropped this past Friday around dragonflight and the new Talent
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  system in particular. Blizzard posted a blue post
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  outlining a few of the It changes to the talent system of
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  coming with the dragonflight expansion, it showcasing, both
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  the Druid and death. Nate Khalid trees that they have
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  been cooking up for a couple months now.
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  And I can't express. I can't contain how excited I am
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  for this because this is again some of it have been asking for
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  for months, upon months, upon months, if not years upon years.
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  But yeah, a couple of things with this, they noted that the
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  basic building blocks of your rotation.
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  In for your specialization or not, even your specialization,
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  but you're just your class in general will be earned from
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  levels 1 to 10. And then as you progress through
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  the levels, you'll continue to unlock the, you know, the basic
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  abilities for your for your class.
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  And spec, just like you always would, there are going to be
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  abilities in the talent trees. But these are going to be, you
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  know, the the ones that are most likely to be taken, are going to
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  be higher up on the tree which are going to be, you know, more
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  easily accessible or otherwise, they're just going to be in
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  natural point. Within the tree that you're
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  going to you know, eventually hit anyway or not have to go too
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  far out of your out of your way to get these abilities.
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  They noted that utility choices like crowd control choices and
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  survivability things will also be available, you know,
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  similarly that they'll be in the direction of where you're going
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  to be wanting to go anyway and will be easily accessible and
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  aren't going to require you to deviate a huge amount in order
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  to get them. And Aren't going to, you know,
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  cost a whole lot of points in order to get.
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  So you shouldn't shouldn't really need to worry about, you
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  know, quote unquote, making room for utility within whatever
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  build you end up going with. Well, the utility part, I think
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  is a number things that they had interconnected.
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  And yes, they're not super out of the way.
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  And in fact, a lot of things that are basically expected of
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  you in today's builds are further up in the tree, which
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  means that yes, your Likely to get it as something early and
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  not have to take it in a way that will preclude you taking
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  something else. But also the fact that you will
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  have one tree, which is more utility and one tree that is
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  throughput means that when you're taking utility or making
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  decision, even between two things of utility.
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  It's not at the expense of throughput.
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  That's that's the basic things that they were really pushing
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  for with utility. Mmm.
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  But there is the there is the very real possibility that you
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  may not take some part of utility or something that people
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  may think that you should have as a death knight and such there
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  are certain class. Givens that you will get.
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  So when they showed these trees, they were showing death, knight
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  and Druid. I am not a Avid Druid player.
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  So I'm going to be talking to Druid jury players to get a
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  better understanding that I have played a little bit of Death.
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  Knight, both blood and Unholy and I know you live have played
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  Frost for good amount in shadowlands for the the first
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  here. So I think that's more what we
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  know about. Out here on this show, but when
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  you're looking at it bass abilities, where you are going
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  to get them all maximum level, DK's will have these abilities.
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  Regardless of what you do, are things like death grip, which my
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  goodness, if a death knight didn't have death grip.
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  I I wouldn't even call them a death knight, right?
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  Rune. Forging right.
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  Like you gotta have room for watching.
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  But they're also stuff that is totally outside of how it
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  affects your combat. So, being able to put up your
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  death death gate so that you can go back and forth.
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  Being able to do path or Frost so you can like walk on on
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  water. These are things that are going
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  to be just flat out. You're going to have them, you
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  know, there's no there's no way to avoid them.
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  Things that are, you know, class abilities, but aren't
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  necessarily guaranteed to have are going to be again, way
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  earlier up in the tree. So if you have Ray's dead.
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  That's something that I guess you could skip.
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  I haven't seen a lot of blood. Death Knights, use raise dead.
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  That's really is more long lines of Unholy.
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  And that's Unholy. Spreading butter.
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  So Unholy gets it by default, but any of the other specs can
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  Talent into it, yeah, right. Death trike is great for like,
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  some self-healing soloing sort of stuff.
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  Definitely something that you need is a tank.
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  So blood gets it by default the other specs, can go into it and
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  I think that's more along the lines of what they're building
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  into and then, Course, you have stuff that is purely in your
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  tree. So if you want a hard strike,
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  which again, that's one of those.
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  Hit the hit the target, do your damage thing.
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  That is strictly in Blood, and you can't get that in other in
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  other places and that's sort of along the lines of what, what
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  they're thinking. Like, obviously there's going to
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  be things. Where hey, do I want my dark
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  simulacra? Is that something that's coming
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  back? If it came, if it was there,
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  like That's something I would love to love to see returned and
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  I'm going to dig through the tree to get it but it's not
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  something that always needed to be there.
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  It's something that would be Fantastical on a blood death
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  knight, right? Just you use your simulacrum
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  copy inability and then whale the boss with that same ability
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  was something that simulacrum play Mastery was all about.
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  Yeah, absolutely. And I would just like to add
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  that there's a lot of there's a lot.
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  Room for four players to to come up with out of the box builds
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  that that cater like you can cater your build to your play
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  style, it in a much more granular way with the talent
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  system like this, then you can with the with what we have in
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  the game currently, right? And they did put a note on that.
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  That the I think the way that they framed it was Someone
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  asking is, what does this mean that now there's going to be bad
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  builds and their answer to that was yeah, just like in the same
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  way that you can have a bad build in, you know in live World
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  of Warcraft right now. Like you can totally pick the
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  wrong talents for the type of content that you're in
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  currently. It's a lot harder on life.
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  And I think with all these options and increased player,
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  agency quotation, marks around that, the fact of the matter is,
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  like they said in this article, there's only so many Guard
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  rails. They can put up and still expect
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  you to be able to make a choice. Sometimes a meaningful Choice.
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  Like they have said in shadowlands means that you can
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  pick something that's bad. You could Talent into a build
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  with no interrupts. No CC and then run into PVP.
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  And I don't think you're going to do that.
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  Well, but you could also take that build into a LFR where they
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  don't really rely on. A on much of that and have a
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  build that is like high Mobility for uptime and whatever so that
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  you do. Well.
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  Yeah. And like speaking on the, on the
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  Druid front, like there's, there's two like major abilities
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  that you get out of the class tree.
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  You can get Cyclone, or you can get the skull bash ability the
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  skull bash being the interrupt that is available to cats and
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  bears, and Cyclone being a Caster CC.
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  That's just a hard CC. You can.
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  Absolutely. Respect to get both of those as
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  any type of Drew. Any Druid whatsoever.
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  You can can totally build out your character so that you get
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  both of those. The drawback are or the plus
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  depending on which way you want to look at it.
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  Is that in order to get both of those?
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  There's a 33 Talent Point Talent, just ahead of those just
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  above those that you have to get all three points in those in
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  order to unlock the ability to Talent into those either skull
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  bash or Cyclone. So if you do that, that you're
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  going to be basically saying, like you're telling the game.
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  Hey, I want to be able to like weave in and out of any any and
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  every Druid form that I have available and play that way.
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  And lo and behold, there's also a talent at the bottom of the
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  class tree that gives you a buff that enables you to do that,
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  that enables you to switch to a different form and have that
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  form be empowered for a short period.
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  If you haven't been in that form for like 20 seconds or something
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  like that, which is Just like that that leaves a huge door
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  open for people that want to to kind of go back to like an
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  earlier version of wow, where you kind of could get away with
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  with silly stuff like that. Like you could have you could
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  have like cat weaving and you know have that be a much more
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  viable thing at which you know for Mythic plus players that's
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  going to be a huge thing. So I know cat weaving is it's
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  pretty big thing for Resto. Druids right now being able Able
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  to go in, do some DPS or for tanks that like when they're off
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  taking, they want to deal some more damage so that they can,
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  you know, then go into cat form when they're not, you know, the
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  active current tank and, you know, deal a little bit more
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  damage than they would be able to just in Bear form for the
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  entire fight, which they're kind of relegated to at the moment.
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  So this this kind of opening up of things leaves room for them
• 25:00
  to develop more, cool, stuff like that.
• 25:04
  Like, I don't Necessarily think that's going to become the meta
• 25:07
  of therefore Druids a particular of having to go back and forth
• 25:11
  between every form forever, but it's an option that's available
• 25:16
  and someone's going to make use of it somewhere in some type of
• 25:18
  content and it's going to be awesome to watch it.
• 25:21
  Yeah, I could imagine watching somebody do what do we call this
• 25:26
  wild shape build and just flip into bear form.
• 25:30
  Do one thing flip into a land? Do another thing Flippin.
• 25:34
  Into cat. And then finish it off with
• 25:36
  that. I love that.
• 25:38
  Even somebody like me who doesn't know really much about
• 25:42
  Druid. I can recognize that there are
• 25:45
  multiple coven abilities in these trees that you could boat
• 25:49
  would get both. So you could be going through
• 25:54
  and wielding abilities of both covenants and choose between
• 25:57
  them like talents, kind of like if they had pulled a rip cord
• 26:01
  way back, and I think that is fantastic.
• 26:05
  So, I think there's a lot that's good in here, but they're
• 26:10
  putting this out early. They want to put this out in
• 26:13
  front of people for criticism. They want the people who know
• 26:18
  these specs, these classes to tear through them say, I don't
• 26:23
  like this, or this is it week or the placement of this means that
• 26:27
  I feel forced to go here and this isn't a real Choice, all of
• 26:31
  that feedback. So many of the Developers Have
• 26:34
  been just saying, give it to us. We want to know, you don't have
• 26:38
  to just go to the main forms. We're going to be everywhere,
• 26:41
  looking for this sort of feedback.
• 26:43
  And that is really one of the best things that have come out
• 26:47
  of. This is that we are getting
• 26:50
  literally what is going to be considered our end game system
• 26:54
  because we're not getting any kind of fancy Azurite gear.
• 26:57
  We're not going to be running around with corruption or
• 27:01
  covenants or whatever. It's the talent trees.
• 27:04
  And The Tear sets that are going to be dictating how we play at
• 27:08
  endgame, and that means getting these.
• 27:12
  So early like ahead of even Alpha coming out.
• 27:16
  Is exactly the steps that I want to see from the design team.
• 27:21
  This is even if these trees you think that these trees are 120%
• 27:27
  trash, the fact that you got to see them instead of one week
• 27:31
  before it goes live is such a Great thing and I cannot
• 27:35
  understate that enough guys. Look at these trees.
• 27:38
  If you are a boomkin player, if you are a druid player, if you
• 27:42
  are a death knight player, look at these trees, give your two
• 27:46
  cents, get your word in because that's how things are going to
• 27:51
  improve. And we're going to end up in
• 27:53
  10.0 or 10, .01 whatever the release candidate is and have
• 27:58
  the characters that we're going to be playing throughout the
• 28:01
  expansion start off on the exactly the Right foot, which is
• 28:06
  a great thing. Absolutely great thing.
• 28:09
  But yeah, we have a link to to both the blue post and, and
• 28:17
  Mythic trap has already started compiling a talent calculator
• 28:24
  with, you know, all the tooltips for everything and like you can
• 28:27
  actually allocate the points correctly as they have them
• 28:30
  displayed in the blue post so you can kind of get a better
• 28:33
  idea of With how you're going to be spending these Talent points.
• 28:38
  We have a link to both of those in the show notes, if you, if
• 28:42
  you, you know, want to check those out.
• 28:46
  But otherwise, yeah, we have kind of an idea of how things
• 28:52
  are going to work. I've seen a couple of questions
• 28:56
  around talents. So just to clear a couple of
• 28:59
  things right from the outset as as the town.
• 29:04
  The system is currently in the beta and Alpha Testing or Alpha
• 29:09
  and beta testing. I should say in order.
• 29:12
  So talents will start at level 10.
• 29:15
  You'll get a class Talent point at level 10 and then a spec
• 29:19
  Talent point at level 11 and alternating from then on Even's
• 29:25
  go to class odds, go to to your specialization until you hit
• 29:29
  level 70, where you'll get the final point to put into your
• 29:32
  class tree. Thus Your talents.
• 29:35
  So there will be 31 class Talent points, total, 30 spec points.
• 29:39
  All specializations will be given a like one or two free
• 29:44
  talents in the class tree. So, like maybe you were talking
• 29:48
  about earlier, like blood death Knights.
• 29:51
  They'll just get heart strike or not hard strike.
• 29:54
  They'll get Deathstrike by default from The Clash tree,
• 29:57
  even though that's a talent is available to everyone, they'll
• 30:00
  just get it for free because it's something that is necessary
• 30:03
  for blood death Knights to have Have they'll just get it.
• 30:06
  Similarly. If you if you play like a
• 30:08
  boomkin, as soon as you pick the balance specialization, you will
• 30:12
  have the starsurge and Starfire talents, granted to you
• 30:17
  immediately. So, your very first point that
• 30:20
  you can choose to to place can be either either the other three
• 30:26
  first row, or you can just go straight for, for boom conform.
• 30:30
  That's that's something you can just immediately put a talent
• 30:32
  pointing to that. So, that's It's kind of how
• 30:35
  that's going to work. Of course, as we, as we get more
• 30:37
  of these talent trees shown to us, will get a better picture of
• 30:41
  like the direction that they're going to go in with the rest of
• 30:44
  the classes. But, you know, obviously for
• 30:45
  right now, all we have is your death knight.
• 30:47
  So those are the examples, you're kidding.
• 30:50
  But yeah, as you go down the talent tree, you'll have to fill
• 30:52
  out any prerequisites for, for any talents that you want to
• 30:56
  choose up to and including multiple Talent Point talents.
• 31:01
  Like, if you have one, that is two or three.
• 31:04
  You'll have to completely fill out that third second or third
• 31:08
  talent in order to unlock the next one below it in the chain.
• 31:13
  I think, one thing that we did not mention is actually a new
• 31:18
  node that is in this talent tree called Choice notes.
• 31:23
  Those Choice nodes are two talents in one where you
• 31:28
  activate that node, but you choose.
• 31:31
  Do I want this bonus or do? I want that?
• 31:34
  - it is kind of like having the The Mists of Pandaria trees
• 31:40
  where you choose one of the three options within a
• 31:44
  particular node. So these trees are kind of a
• 31:46
  combination of the two talent trees.
• 31:50
  It's going to be a lot more straightforward and a lot more
• 31:55
  easy and intuitive to understand.
• 31:57
  When you kind of get your hands on these I believe and that's
• 32:01
  what they have been saying, but it seems very Straightforward to
• 32:06
  me, and I know my mileage may vary from others.
• 32:10
  So, take that with a grain of salt based on Concepts that I
• 32:13
  have explained as it seemed straightforward and you may or
• 32:15
  may not have, but Talent trees. You start at the top you flow
• 32:22
  down, you see the arrow and you're like, okay.
• 32:25
  I need to get the thing from the start of the arrow.
• 32:28
  In order to get down to what it's pointing towards the talent
• 32:33
  choices. It's basically going to be a
• 32:35
  shifting image where you go, click to the left, or click to,
• 32:38
  to the right to have the active talent and the active bonus,
• 32:43
  where you put points into talents can be single.
• 32:47
  I'll spend where you put one point into the talent and it's
• 32:52
  fully active, or talents can be something where you put in
• 32:57
  multiple points into it. And each point will get you a
• 33:00
  stack of a bonus. So 2 percent extra credit for
• 33:04
  percent extra credit, and I know extra credit is not something
• 33:08
  that they're putting in any more talents.
• 33:10
  I've become a lot more active, but I'm just using this as a
• 33:13
  very simple example. And then finally, The other part
• 33:18
  about these talent trees is that the separation and the yo-yoing
• 33:24
  between the two, just means that there are a lot more things
• 33:30
  where you are going to be able to be assured that you can pick
• 33:34
  it without feeling like you are picking something that you
• 33:39
  shouldn't. I think that these trees are
• 33:42
  going to be good. Another issue with borrowed
• 33:46
  power. Is that while they say these
• 33:51
  filled out Talent points should leave us at a point where the
• 33:54
  class is a relatively the same as they are in Shadowland.
• 33:57
  They mean when you have all 61 points available and you're at
• 34:01
  level 70, so come pre expansion when we are missing 10 levels
• 34:09
  and therefore Nine Talent points, you're going to feel a
• 34:13
  little bit weaker. Again.
• 34:15
  We're going to be dealing with that again.
• 34:16
  Yeah, which I mean, there's always kind of a level of that
• 34:22
  going from expansion to expansion.
• 34:24
  I think that this is going to probably be like the worst that
• 34:27
  it's going to feel for a while, going into the future World of
• 34:31
  Warcraft. I would agree with that.
• 34:32
  I think after after dragonflight like we're going to have a much
• 34:36
  less noticeable. Dive in power going from the in.
• 34:41
  Under Aid of dragon flight into the leveling content of the
• 34:44
  next, whatever the next expansion is going to be.
• 34:47
  So yeah, I think this is probably going to be like the
• 34:51
  worst feeling of it. Probably like it.
• 34:54
  Nothing can be worse than the feeling of going from a little
• 34:57
  one, 20 to 60 and the perceived quote, unquote perceived, you
• 35:01
  know, power dive that we took with that and then the number
• 35:05
  squish that happened along with with all of that.
• 35:08
  Do you think that was the worst Power squish we've had The BFA
• 35:12
  in the shadowlands, I guess. Is that what you're saying?
• 35:14
  Is the worst one perceived. Maybe I still think legendary
• 35:20
  weapons are artifact, weapon, shutting off and going from
• 35:24
  Legion into BFA. I think that's the worst one.
• 35:27
  I've had to deal with. Yeah, I think I think you're
• 35:29
  right numbers wise. I think that that, that was I
• 35:32
  don't mean number-wise. I mean, feel like when we shut
• 35:35
  off, quote, unquote, going into shadowlands.
• 35:39
  We still got two. To keep our Azurite gear and our
• 35:42
  heart of Azeroth active up until we jumped into the maw.
• 35:47
  And it was really the corruption that turned off.
• 35:50
  And you're like, oh, this feels not like I was at the beginning
• 35:54
  of the expansion but like I was in my alofa.
• 36:00
  Yeah, right. That, that felt like kind of the
• 36:02
  regression. It didn't feel as heavy as all
• 36:06
  these abilities of shut off. And I got just my legendaries to
• 36:12
  carry me through. Yeah.
• 36:15
  Yeah, it like it's really hard. It's difficult to say, like, for
• 36:20
  sure, which, which expansion kind of had the biggest, like,
• 36:25
  power dive, because even even going from wrath Lich King to
• 36:29
  cataclysm like there was a noticeable power dive there, too
• 36:32
  because they, you know, did a complete Talent system rework at
• 36:36
  that point, you know, going NG into mist of Pandaria.
• 36:40
  Similar thing, huge Talent rework that a lot of stuff that
• 36:43
  we had that was kind of given to the classes was taken away and
• 36:48
  put in a talents. So yeah, like the there's kind
• 36:53
  of no escaping the the feeling of depowering at the end of it
• 36:58
  and expansion going into the next.
• 37:00
  So like this is I'm anticipating for it to feel real bad, but
• 37:07
  it's probably going to feel The worst going into this one, but
• 37:11
  the the positive side of it and this is something that I'm
• 37:15
  really looking forward to is that we're going to have
• 37:18
  something that feels a little bit more like a gradual power
• 37:21
  progression through the expansion rather than how it
• 37:27
  felt during shadowlands which for me was kind of more more
• 37:32
  this like we had some of the building blocks that we were
• 37:35
  going to have as we were leveling through.
• 37:37
  But then we hit Level 60 and shadowlands, everything came
• 37:40
  online. All of a sudden and the power
• 37:44
  like, doubled instantly. Because we had, we had the, you
• 37:48
  know, when once we got like our renowned to like, yeah, so
• 37:54
  anyway, I don't feel, yeah, I feel like shadowlands actually
• 37:57
  had a decent ramp up once you hit max level because of renown
• 38:03
  because your soul binds slowly went up over power through the
• 38:08
  course of Raid and that was matched with you getting gear
• 38:12
  and also unlocking memories and also different tiers of
• 38:17
  legendary week after week becoming accessible.
• 38:22
  So I don't think we had at the beginning of shadowlands at max
• 38:26
  level. A sudden jump in power.
• 38:29
  I think that it was actually more a jump in power in 9.2 as
• 38:34
  we got our double legendary as The Crucible came online and we
• 38:38
  got our tear sets when you get your tier set, that feels like a
• 38:42
  jump when you get your double legendary, who that was a jump.
• 38:47
  And in fact on this very show, people were saying, oh, they
• 38:53
  tuned it for a double legendary, and it's such a difference with
• 38:55
  the double legendary. So the beginning of shadowlands.
• 38:59
  Nah, not even close. I wouldn't I would completely
• 39:03
  pushed back on that, the beginning of BFA.
• 39:07
  I would also say A had a very, in fact, all of BFA had a very
• 39:14
  gradual power gain because not because it was like, oh, we get
• 39:20
  power suddenly and then, it sort of, or we get power gradually in
• 39:25
  general. But because, every time we have
• 39:28
  to switch over to a new level of our Azurite gear, we'd have to
• 39:34
  spend time re unlocking those things.
• 39:36
  Every time we jumped between One tear to the next.
• 39:40
  There be that one power that specifically for the raid that
• 39:43
  would be trash or turned off of the next day.
• 39:46
  And we drop back down again. It was a lot of up and down up
• 39:49
  and down. And so I hated that.
• 39:51
  Absolutely hated that, that is borrowed power, the worst all of
• 39:56
  in a microcosm and it was incredibly annoying Legion
• 40:01
  again, because the endgame power system was grind up these Powers
• 40:08
  get Or AP, and that will make your, your weapon better.
• 40:13
  Get your legendary. And that will combine.
• 40:15
  I think there was definitely a curve to that.
• 40:18
  That was fairly straightforward. Yeah.
• 40:22
  Yeah, I agree. I, this is completely anecdotal.
• 40:26
  But I my recollection of early shadowlands was like I went from
• 40:31
  doing like to K level like 2K D, PS at that level of 59.
• 40:38
  And then as Soon as I hit level 60 and you know, got the, the
• 40:41
  campaign finished and and you know, started getting, you know,
• 40:46
  a couple of pieces of gear, you know, getting ready for the
• 40:50
  first raid, it jumped from 2K to like five.
• 40:56
  It's like within a week. So that's, that's kind of like
• 40:59
  my experience with it and that, you know, completely anecdotal.
• 41:05
  Oh, yeah, but I also recall, how many people who are like me
• 41:08
  Sure, you hit Level 60 just before you finish the campaign
• 41:12
  because as soon as you turn little 50, everything hurts and
• 41:15
  it's so it's so much harder to get through the, the leveling
• 41:20
  campaign when you hit cap, because you're scaled that way.
• 41:24
  So there's a lot of things that pushed you one way or the other.
• 41:30
  And clearly end game, scaling was something that was a thing
• 41:34
  at beginning of shadowlands. I just so happen to be one of
• 41:37
  those people who was was on a very strict leveling path so
• 41:42
  that I could level quickly and make sure that I hit 60 right at
• 41:47
  the right time. So I didn't experience that
• 41:48
  myself. So you could be right,
• 41:50
  especially considering that data.
• 41:52
  Because if the scaling jumped like that, obviously characters
• 41:57
  need to be commiserate to that. Yeah.
• 41:59
  Do you have any other thoughts on on the talent system preview
• 42:03
  that we got before we move on. Um again, I'm looking to see how
• 42:08
  Develop, but one thing that Ian had said, was that he wanted to
• 42:13
  get these talents in the hands of players before the alpha went
• 42:17
  life. So if we've gotten these talents
• 42:20
  in the hands of players, does that mean Alpha is soon to be,
• 42:26
  we're certainly knocking on the door.
• 42:27
  I think it's safe to say that. I think, I think we can say
• 42:31
  pretty securely that we are knocking on the door of alpha,
• 42:35
  so hopefully, hopefully soon and not soon TM.
• 42:38
  But we'll see we'll see. Nine point two point five lunch
• 42:43
  this week as we touched on at the beginning of the of the of
• 42:48
  the show and with it. There were a couple of changes
• 42:53
  that kind of went under the radar.
• 42:55
  A little bit things that you know, we certainly hadn't
• 42:58
  mentioned on the show that that we felt would be a good idea to
• 43:03
  let people know what's going on with them.
• 43:05
  So first things first, brewmaster month, Tear set.
• 43:09
  Got a little bit of a change there for peace, which changed
• 43:15
  to now be such that. The health bonus will now take
• 43:21
  into account. The last ten hits of kegs mesh
• 43:24
  as opposed to just the last hit, which is going to smooth, there.
• 43:28
  It is, smoothing out a lot of the variants that that four
• 43:32
  piece set bonus was generating. It.
• 43:34
  Also they changed how the fall off of the, the health bonus
• 43:37
  that you get work. So Oh, now it leaves you at
• 43:40
  whatever your current health is, instead of subtracting the
• 43:43
  difference in whatever, whatever the health buff or bonus that
• 43:47
  you got was from from the fourth piece ability.
• 43:50
  So brewmaster monks, her a big increase in survivability there
• 43:56
  because basically dropping that extra health and taken away from
• 44:00
  you was a hit immediate hit and then that this will make that
• 44:05
  for peace, so much better. Glad for that.
• 44:07
  I think that In general, the tanks that we have been
• 44:14
  competing with, in this chair, outside of the top players have
• 44:20
  been pretty comparable. I think it there's never been a
• 44:24
  fight where people have been like, you need to bring a DK2
• 44:27
  this or you need to bring a paladin or whatever.
• 44:31
  There hasn't been those fights. In all of SFO and I'm very glad
• 44:37
  for that. Yeah, same.
• 44:39
  Same anytime like it's kind of a double-edged sword because when
• 44:45
  you have tears like this, you kind of get people, you know,
• 44:49
  decrying homogeneity to some extent, which I haven't really
• 44:55
  seen this tier surprisingly, even though like this this tier
• 45:00
  of rating, you know, Beyond any tear that that we've had a
• 45:07
  similar situation where you can bring whatever class, whatever,
• 45:10
  comp doesn't really matter, like bringing the player.
• 45:15
  Instead of the class has never been more true that there's kind
• 45:19
  of been a distinct lack of people saying, oh, well just
• 45:23
  everything's everything, plays the same.
• 45:24
  Now, of course, of course, you can bring whatever you want.
• 45:27
  Everything plays the exact same. I haven't seen any of that, or
• 45:32
  if it exists, I I'd, you know, just haven't seen it in general.
• 45:36
  I don't know if your experience has been the same but I I think
• 45:40
  I think it isn't in a healthy Place.
• 45:42
  Yeah, the complaints about this here.
• 45:44
  Haven't been about class balance per se, as it has been about,
• 45:48
  just general tuning obviously the complaints about it, being
• 45:52
  too hard at the beginning and now we're getting complaints
• 45:55
  about it being Nerf too much and it's too easy now, so I guess
• 46:01
  people have bigger fish to fry, right?
• 46:03
  Now I'm glad that I could play whatever I want.
• 46:09
  Obviously with my particular rate team.
• 46:13
  We're looking at our general composition and how much melee
• 46:17
  were bringing and sticking into one area underneath the bosses
• 46:20
  feet and changing based on that not based on.
• 46:25
  Oh, you're bringing that class or that spec.
• 46:29
  Hmm, and I'm glad for that. So I'm really happy about about
• 46:34
  the team that I'm reading with. We have so many classes
• 46:39
  represented. We definitely have demon
• 46:42
  Hunters. Monks Druids lot of Druids
• 46:48
  shamans dislike. Such a wide variety and I can't
• 46:56
  think off the top of my head of a class that is not being
• 47:00
  brought by this team and I'm quite happy about that.
• 47:04
  I think that this team despite pushing into now Mythic content
• 47:12
  is I guess quite open about just play, what you feel will work
• 47:18
  and all of that viable. On the get your crit together
• 47:23
  side. I know people are shifting based
• 47:27
  on like, oh, well, we want to cover certain Buffs and have
• 47:30
  certain utility that classes, bring not that.
• 47:34
  Oh, well, if you're bringing this it's going to be dead.
• 47:37
  So we don't really want more of that.
• 47:40
  And if the continued tuning is like that, I'll be happy.
• 47:45
  They're kind of going back to our last story.
• 47:47
  There is Mark of the wild coming back.
• 47:49
  For Druids. I am Not sure if that is going
• 47:54
  to be exactly like it used to be but that's another raid buff and
• 47:57
  if they don't have an overlap there that's going to be another
• 48:00
  one where you like we got to fit a druid in somewhere.
• 48:03
  I'm not entirely sure how I feel about that.
• 48:06
  I kind of kind of don't want it. I think we're at a relatively
• 48:13
  good spot or if they re work Mark of the wild to work in a
• 48:19
  similar way to some of the buff that we already have so that
• 48:23
  it's overlapping and we can have a little bit more of that.
• 48:26
  I'd be happy. I don't think Druids in
• 48:29
  particular need a must have a druid buff because I've C been
• 48:33
  seeing them everywhere, anyways, right?
• 48:35
  It's like I don't think for any of the teams that we read with,
• 48:38
  with. Any regularity like Druid Druid
• 48:42
  presence is not not wanting certainly not but and I
• 48:52
  intentionally left out the talking about Mark of the Wild.
• 48:59
  Because because we don't know exactly how that's going to play
• 49:04
  out. Like we don't have the broader
• 49:05
  context of the rest of the Buffs and how they're going to be
• 49:08
  either changing or bringing any of that in into the fold.
• 49:13
  Because like we do have, like, you have to have or well, have
• 49:18
  to quote unquote, have like a Demon Hunter, in a monk, in a
• 49:22
  group, in any, any given group you need, you know, at least one
• 49:27
  to provide the to the boss that they bring or, you know, the the
• 49:33
  debuff to the enemies in general, but But yeah, the it's
• 49:39
  an interesting interesting thing that they're looking to bring it
• 49:43
  back. I think that there have been you
• 49:45
  know, quite a good number of people that have been wanting
• 49:48
  for Mark of the wild to come back.
• 49:52
  For some time now. Actually, what about you though?
• 49:56
  Do you want it back or do you not want it back?
• 49:59
  I think it couldn't hurt. I think in its current iteration
• 50:02
  that they have in in the, you know, Druid Talent, rework that
• 50:07
  they showcased. That's the version of it that we
• 50:10
  see with, you know, this giving stuff like speed and I think
• 50:14
  Mastery is the is the buff now for Mark of the wild.
• 50:19
  So yeah, increases the targets speed and critical.
• 50:22
  Like by 3% and reduces their magic damage taken by 3% for 60
• 50:26
  minutes. If your target is in your party
• 50:29
  or Raid all partying rates get that so it's reduced magic
• 50:34
  damage taken increase, Critical Strike and speed.
• 50:39
  So you move faster. It's a unique buff in its
• 50:43
  current form and reducing magic damage taken is really good,
• 50:50
  especially on progression where you may be be living by a,
• 50:53
  here's thread. If you've got like pulsing AOE.
• 50:56
  This thing is effective, healing 3% per tick.
• 51:01
  If your tank is trying to find a way to manage it cooldowns, and
• 51:07
  make sure that it's got something up for whatever
• 51:10
  typical effect. A lot of those effects could be
• 51:12
  magic because magic defense is where tanks have the most gaps.
• 51:18
  They have a lot of physical mitigation, but magic,
• 51:21
  mitigation is Little bit more rare.
• 51:23
  So that makes this that much more desirable.
• 51:28
  So, I think it is going to be something where, at least the
• 51:31
  top teams are going to be like, yeah, we got to make sure we
• 51:34
  have at least one Druid to give Mark of the wild and its current
• 51:39
  form. And So, based on what it's
• 51:40
  currently in on the tree. Do you think that is a good
• 51:45
  thing or do you think that we should really be doing?
• 51:50
  Bring the player, not the class? It's, it's nice to be able to
• 51:58
  bring something unique to a raid, but I think in general,
• 52:02
  the the idea of bring the player, not the class should
• 52:08
  supersede. Any any possible benefit of
• 52:13
  making sure that you have like a quote unquote even spread, it's
• 52:18
  like, even even doing things which I know it's difficult to
• 52:23
  kind of create fights that would allow for this kind of thing.
• 52:27
  Especially given, you know, that there are so many boss Centric.
• 52:34
  Like a, we effects and all this kind of stuff, but even even
• 52:38
  having concerns of bringing too many melee to a raid group.
• 52:42
  I feel like is just putting an unnecessary constraint on red
• 52:48
  team's specifically, hmm. I mean, I think I would fight
• 52:53
  back against that but to use a current example, a lot of teams
• 52:59
  have dealt with or progressing against and win and win has the
• 53:03
  number of Acts including hope breaker, which does this
• 53:06
  stacking dot that eventually gets refreshed throughout the
• 53:09
  fight. And at the very end is almost
• 53:13
  one of the wipe causers because it's just mounting and mounting
• 53:17
  damage that the healers have to fight three percent off of each
• 53:20
  of those ticks, especially when they're mounting the higher
• 53:23
  damage in there. For three percent.
• 53:24
  Equals more mitigation raid wide without a use of a cool down
• 53:30
  from anybody is strong. And that's a really good play on
• 53:37
  a very pivotal boss in the current rate.
• 53:40
  And obviously, there will be examples of this in future
• 53:45
  rates. And, of course, I could go back
• 53:46
  and find examples of it and past rates.
• 53:49
  But I would say you're doing and win marker, the wild would be
• 53:56
  really great that and additional speed.
• 53:59
  Hey, we can get to blasphemy circles faster we can Make sure
• 54:04
  in Phase 3. We're not getting hit by the
• 54:06
  walls, just a little bit easier. We can make the movement Park
• 54:11
  ourselves, and start casting just that much faster because of
• 54:15
  this speed, critical is just extra damage on top.
• 54:19
  And, you know, a lot of the classes would love guaranteed.
• 54:25
  3% crit, especially in early progression.
• 54:28
  If I was a frost Mage in beginning of not even beginning.
• 54:34
  A tear but beginning with the expansion and I am really
• 54:37
  struggling to get to my soft crit.
• 54:39
  Cap. Mark of the wild means.
• 54:43
  I don't have to worry about 3% of that.
• 54:45
  It's fantastic. Right?
• 54:48
  So like this is a very good buff that can definitely help many
• 54:55
  classes. And if you know, you're going to
• 54:56
  be running with a druid and you don't need that three percent.
• 55:01
  So your Mage can then stick that that 3%.
• 55:04
  Somewhere else because once you get past your soft cap, crit
• 55:07
  drops really low in priority, like it's just more power to so
• 55:13
  many people by bringing one Druid.
• 55:16
  And I think that is something where I am concerned that they
• 55:23
  shouldn't have as much of that rolling.
• 55:28
  Even using other Buffs that are out there, obviously battle
• 55:32
  shout is, is a nice one that people like, but when fiery
• 55:37
  totem is something that people have been like, oh, when free
• 55:40
  totem, and you look at the different percentages per spec
• 55:43
  and per class, and if you bring bringing melee or not, and then
• 55:46
  having to stack your Shaman in the right group or bring
• 55:50
  multiple shamans, if you're stacking a lot of melee, but
• 55:54
  There is something to be said about, okay?
• 56:00
  If we don't bring the windfury and that damage and resources
• 56:04
  that it it brings. Is that going to oddly destroy
• 56:10
  the raid or can we make it up somewhere else?
• 56:13
  And that's where these Buffs sort of our make or break for
• 56:17
  me. And I feel like there's just too
• 56:19
  much and it's too easy to have a jury because like, let's say the
• 56:23
  dura dies. He doesn't have to put up a, the
• 56:25
  mark for another 60 minutes and hopefully you've killed the
• 56:28
  fight in 60 minutes. Please tell me you've killed the
• 56:30
  fight in 60 minutes most fights in bit like the 8 to 10 minute,
• 56:35
  Mark, like hard. And like, they're just like,
• 56:37
  okay, you've had Time you go again.
• 56:40
  Try again better next time. But yeah, I like, I look back at
• 56:48
  Burning Crusade, and Wrath of the Lich King.
• 56:51
  When we had these more open talent trees where you're
• 56:58
  looking at allocating points into into making sure you're
• 57:01
  hitting your spell hit cap, right?
• 57:03
  You're looking at it. Hitting these specific, stat
• 57:06
  breakpoints. And You had to take into
• 57:09
  consideration all of the things like what your team comp is
• 57:12
  because if you didn't have a boomkin as a spellcaster, guess
• 57:14
  what you need. You need to find your spell hit
• 57:17
  somewhere else and that was all things that you had to take into
• 57:22
  consideration. So if you're looking at the
• 57:24
  situation from that perspective, I think adding more things onto
• 57:31
  the the list of Buffs that a any any particular class.
• 57:38
  Bring to a raid or that old classes can bring to a raid and
• 57:43
  you're looking at it as a kind of checklist of.
• 57:46
  These are the things that I need to account for at a certain
• 57:49
  point that becomes bothersome like that, that bitch, it just
• 57:55
  Takes too much out of it because then you're having to, you know,
• 58:00
  granulate everything you're having to take everything and
• 58:06
  and put it through through a fine mesh sieve to get what what
• 58:14
  you want at the end of it, which is a, you know, a smooth batter.
• 58:18
  Yeah, but like to throw your analogy out with the batter, I
• 58:23
  would say that. When you have too many of these
• 58:27
  mandatory Buffs decisions are made for you, or you are making
• 58:32
  a decision to be suboptimal and nobody wants that.
• 58:37
  Yeah, when you are, when you are writing it with your friends and
• 58:40
  yeah, we get to raid cross faction.
• 58:42
  Now, nine point two point. Five is here baby.
• 58:44
  And it's like, actually, in order to you do this tough boss.
• 58:50
  You need to bring these eight classes that all have.
• 58:55
  To Tori Buffs and you are ten Man team.
• 58:58
  So two people can play what they want within reason, but the
• 59:02
  rescue I need. I need that.
• 59:05
  I need this. I need this and like no I don't
• 59:09
  want the shopping list. I want to take my friends play
• 59:12
  the game. Yeah.
• 59:13
  I think the answer to that is quite plainly is just to have
• 59:18
  like a handful of Buffs that that can be brought by multiple
• 59:22
  classes. Like take take the the Demon
• 59:25
  Hunter magic buff roll that into Mark of the wild somehow like
• 59:29
  make them kind of the same thing.
• 59:32
  Whereas like a Demon Hunter is putting a debuff on a Target and
• 59:38
  a boomkin is providing a buff to their party or Raid, but they
• 59:44
  both do the same thing and one doesn't stack with the other.
• 59:49
  So it was bloodlust. Let's do it with the rest of
• 59:51
  them. Yeah.
• 59:53
  Exactly, exactly. So that's that's kind of where I
• 59:58
  stand on. If we see more classes that
• 1:00:00
  bring this exact same buff, like, if we if we see, for
• 1:00:03
  example, Paladin's get Blessing of Kings back that now becomes
• 1:00:08
  like a party wide thing that they can just put out, or have
• 1:00:13
  it be, have it be like our of Kings or something like that.
• 1:00:16
  It's like, like combine. The are is in the blessings into
• 1:00:19
  one thing and make it to where you can just put our of Kings
• 1:00:22
  out. If you don't have a druid in
• 1:00:27
  your group, but it gives the same buff like that.
• 1:00:30
  That is the correct answer. I think in situations like this.
• 1:00:34
  And that's like that's a similar thing to how they've kind of
• 1:00:36
  addressed things like this in the past.
• 1:00:39
  Except, you know, we only had blessing a Kings and mark the
• 1:00:42
  wild. They gave the same buff for a
• 1:00:45
  while there and you had either or, but in most cases, you're
• 1:00:50
  probably bringing one of each of those classes.
• 1:00:53
  Has to your raid anyway, so it didn't really matter, like you
• 1:00:56
  were always going to have that buff covered.
• 1:00:58
  So you know, that being said, I do think that there is space for
• 1:01:07
  stuff like that, but they need to be, they need to be careful
• 1:01:10
  in implementing it like they need to make sure that that that
• 1:01:15
  we're not forcing groups into specific comps.
• 1:01:19
  Yeah, I agree with that. So that was a complete diverge
• 1:01:23
  right back into our first bit of news.
• 1:01:26
  But getting forward with the nine point.
• 1:01:28
  Two point five changes that you wanted to mention.
• 1:01:31
  The a lot of these changes are good for catch up.
• 1:01:34
  People who are maybe getting back into the game, the renowned
• 1:01:37
  catch up items instead of granting you level 40, and you
• 1:01:40
  having to do the last 40 by yourself.
• 1:01:42
  Now, we'll jump, you directly to level 60 and then you do the
• 1:01:45
  last 20 by yourself. I honestly don't recall.
• 1:01:49
  But, is there any actual power gains Beyond, 60?
• 1:01:53
  Because I know the last ones are just, you're doing it for titles
• 1:01:56
  and fun stuff. I don't think so.
• 1:01:59
  I think, I think renowned 60 is basically.
• 1:02:03
  Like where the power gains for announce top?
• 1:02:06
  So it's getting you right to like, completion for your
• 1:02:10
  renowned. Like obviously, there's, there's
• 1:02:13
  other things beyond that to level 80, but like, if you're
• 1:02:16
  starting a fresh character, and I know this from experience,
• 1:02:20
  because I got my Mage started on, on Charlene's content on
• 1:02:27
  Monday, right before this change went through, but one of these
• 1:02:30
  tokens while it was still 40. And then, Ha ha afternoon was
• 1:02:34
  just like oh, oh, that's how this is going to be.
• 1:02:37
  Okay. Okay, cool, but no.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, like as soon as you as soon as you know, use this
• 1:02:47
  token, get to level 60 like you're, you know, you know, full
• 1:02:50
  steam ahead. Like obviously you have to get
• 1:02:52
  to level 60 in order to actually use all the stuff that, you
• 1:02:56
  know, being renowned level 60 grants you, but, you know, you
• 1:03:00
  have a lot more wiggle room and, you know, you can possibly level
• 1:03:05
  up, you know, a little bit more like you can get one of your
• 1:03:09
  covenants 280 through just, you know, the, the renowned that
• 1:03:13
  they View through two feet or if you're going through and doing
• 1:03:18
  the Actually, I don't even know. I don't think you can use the
• 1:03:22
  tokens if you do the regular campaign.
• 1:03:26
  I can't recall off the top of my head.
• 1:03:29
  Like, I don't see a reason why they would.
• 1:03:31
  Yes, you can. You can't wait.
• 1:03:32
  No re regular campaign. Oh, no, you can't.
• 1:03:35
  Okay, read the faith. You get to choose your Covenant
• 1:03:37
  and start on. Renowned you have you do not
• 1:03:39
  have for now now available to you until the finish of the
• 1:03:44
  regular campaign. Okay, you can't do it.
• 1:03:47
  If you go through the regular campaign.
• 1:03:48
  Okay. So if you're doing there's a
• 1:03:50
  fate, you can, you know, the renowned that you get.
• 1:03:54
  I think it's like, like 20. 22:30, renowned that you get
• 1:03:58
  through completing all the activities, they have, you do in
• 1:04:01
  Threads of Fate to get from from level 50 to 60.
• 1:04:07
  So you can completely max out one Covenant and start working
• 1:04:11
  on another one. If you want to, if you don't
• 1:04:15
  want, you know, that renowned to go to waste from the activities,
• 1:04:17
  you can switch to a different Covenant that you might want to
• 1:04:20
  try out at level 60 and just kind of go through it that way,
• 1:04:25
  which is kind of what I'm planning on doing, but they're
• 1:04:28
  making it much easier, you know, giving giving players a entire.
• 1:04:34
  What is it? 120 extra?
• 1:04:39
  No 920. It's just an extra 80.
• 1:04:44
  Renowned in the total. Like if you're if you're looking
• 1:04:47
  at all of the renowned that you can get for all four covenants,
• 1:04:52
  you're getting an extra 80. So if you're trying to go
• 1:04:56
  through all four covenants now, it's because you have nothing
• 1:04:59
  else in the game to do that is such a chore and a half, it is
• 1:05:03
  but whatever. I think that the best thing
• 1:05:05
  about this is that you can click the button, get to renowned, 60,
• 1:05:08
  go through the quests, and the quest chain will get you to
• 1:05:11
  renowned 80 and Don't have to do anything else.
• 1:05:14
  No world bosses or grinding through the raid or whatever.
• 1:05:19
  It is a very straightforward of getting 80 and all of the
• 1:05:22
  renowned, if you 80, renowned and all of the covenants, if
• 1:05:26
  that is what you choose to do. Yeah, but I've done that, I've
• 1:05:30
  gone through that tired of it. Moving on with our notes, season
• 1:05:35
  3, catch up. Also includes Valor and Conquest
• 1:05:39
  boxes, which are updated for season 3.
• 1:05:42
  Re The Valor box will give you Mythic one or sorry Mythic 0
• 1:05:48
  gear that you can then upgrade from there.
• 1:05:51
  Those require a Mythic plus rating of 1875.
• 1:05:57
  I thought it was 50. No.
• 1:05:59
  No The Valor ones 14,000. That's why I'm getting confused
• 1:06:02
  and it cost five hundred dollar per box, but that's great.
• 1:06:05
  That's an easy way of just handing off gear to get some
• 1:06:09
  character quickly started. Again, you can get the conquest
• 1:06:14
  box and that's going to require a PVP rating of 1400.
• 1:06:19
  And then that's going to cost, 375 Conquest per box.
• 1:06:24
  And you can hand, some Conquest gear over to your alt to get
• 1:06:29
  them started. Lastly, all the gear that is
• 1:06:34
  obtained through. These boxes can be used in the
• 1:06:37
  creation Catalyst which means you can switch them over to tear
• 1:06:41
  gear using your Cosmic flux that you can quickly Farm up in z m.
• 1:06:46
  So this is very much the end of expansion.
• 1:06:49
  Everything should be available, go nuts and have fun building
• 1:06:53
  out characters or alts or whatever you wanted.
• 1:06:56
  After you've completed at least something on the main track.
• 1:07:00
  The one thing that is missing. From this, which hopefully in
• 1:07:03
  future iterations, they'll put in is some version of it for
• 1:07:07
  rating because season 4 is allowing you to upgrade stuff
• 1:07:12
  through rating, but this doesn't have that.
• 1:07:16
  We will see in the future though.
• 1:07:17
  There are some great quality of life stuff.
• 1:07:19
  So I hope people do not miss those for those who are working
• 1:07:23
  on altar or are new to the game and just need something to fill
• 1:07:29
  up pieces that you may have missed, because Cuz you may have
• 1:07:34
  your 1500 rating be like, oh, this is faults, but you could
• 1:07:37
  also buy and maybe hit that trinket, that you are after
• 1:07:41
  because some trinkets are harder to get than others.
• 1:07:44
  And then you can upgrade that with the Valor.
• 1:07:46
  So this can work to fill in. You're just missing one little
• 1:07:51
  thing that you want. You want that ice that Cube you
• 1:07:55
  want something. So, make sure you do check those
• 1:07:59
  out. With that said we're going to
• 1:08:00
  get into law. So in nine point two point,
• 1:08:05
  five, not only were these quality of life things
• 1:08:08
  introduced, but there have been three cinematics, and multiple
• 1:08:13
  storylines that have been updated.
• 1:08:19
  These were all encrypted. So nobody had seen them on the
• 1:08:23
  PTR and they had been hinted at. But now we finally got a chance
• 1:08:28
  to actually play through with the release of nine point two
• 1:08:31
  point five. We're going to be talking about
• 1:08:34
  the return to Lord are on Quest this week.
• 1:08:39
  And so kalium NFL after doing absolutely nothing in the
• 1:08:44
  shadowlands decides to turn her. Her unique talents back towards
• 1:08:51
  Azeroth and The Forsaken. So we had to Trista tears fall
• 1:08:57
  and gray mean sees this and though greymane trust Scalia
• 1:09:02
  more than he trusts other forsaken that actually really
• 1:09:05
  doesn't amount to much guys. So he says, ends, the alliance
• 1:09:09
  spying after Kalia to see what the Forsaken are up to
• 1:09:12
  regardless of whether your Alliance or Horde, Kalia sees
• 1:09:17
  your true Allegiance and brings you along to help her in her
• 1:09:21
  cause We find that real has been reconstructed mostly, but the
• 1:09:30
  Forsaken are unable to reach the ruins of loader on because of
• 1:09:34
  the blight, that was left at the beginning of battle for Azeroth.
• 1:09:40
  As you go around the reconstructed, Braille you find
• 1:09:43
  that there are multiple leaders that have sprung up but no one
• 1:09:48
  of them is leading the entirety of The Forsaken.
• 1:09:53
  Callie asked that you gather them up so that they can
• 1:09:55
  consider a plan of action. And as you do, you find that
• 1:10:00
  each of them has different takes on where they're coming from.
• 1:10:04
  We have the apothecaries. We have dark Rangers.
• 1:10:08
  We have a military leader. And, of course, we have Lillian
• 1:10:13
  boss. So, obviously Kalia is a
• 1:10:19
  controversial figure, not just for us in the player base, but
• 1:10:22
  also The Forsaken, some of the leaders are more open to her
• 1:10:26
  than others. And one liter is outright
• 1:10:28
  hostile. But they come together and they
• 1:10:33
  decide that Kalia isn't the biggest threat.
• 1:10:36
  It is actually the blight. And Callie puts forward that
• 1:10:40
  they should reach out to their allies and meld R axis and find
• 1:10:45
  some help in order to defeat the blight because the mild raxus,
• 1:10:48
  NECA Lords have knowledge of necromancy.
• 1:10:54
  So you trying to say something? Hmm, okay. so, We head to the
• 1:11:01
  shadowlands with Kalia to find a way to empower Our Heroes to
• 1:11:08
  defeat this blight. The first person we talked to is
• 1:11:13
  the margrave's and Dane and so margrave's and Dane says, no,
• 1:11:17
  she doesn't know how to do this, but she knows who would be able
• 1:11:20
  to help us and points us to our old friend plague?
• 1:11:24
  Divisor Meredith. Before we step to talk with
• 1:11:30
  plague. Divisor Meredith Kalia stops and
• 1:11:33
  says to the margrave and ask about her form of Resurrection,
• 1:11:40
  how she was brought back by the light, but the other forsaken
• 1:11:44
  were brought back through the magic of death.
• 1:11:48
  And margrave's in Dane says that it doesn't matter what kind of
• 1:11:52
  magic fuels necrotic necromancy, necromancy is the same in any
• 1:11:58
  way. And this, this really feels like
• 1:12:03
  they're breaking down the fourth wall and be like, no.
• 1:12:04
  No, she's not actually different guys.
• 1:12:06
  She's the same and this is very much the same as when we get
• 1:12:12
  together with the with the leaders and some of them hate
• 1:12:15
  the hater and some of them. Or more sympathetic.
• 1:12:21
  And again when you asked and you have these extra dialogue
• 1:12:24
  options, it seems like blizzard once again, is breaking down the
• 1:12:26
  wall and be like no. No, I don't, I don't want to
• 1:12:28
  lead. I just I just want to be here
• 1:12:31
  and I get that people don't see on the same.
• 1:12:32
  So there was a lot of Blizzard talking to the audience.
• 1:12:35
  I feel Regardless Scalia gets, you know and new step in her
• 1:12:41
  inner walk because she's not that different from any of the
• 1:12:45
  other members and we go to Meredith.
• 1:12:50
  And so Meredith says that in order to defeat this plague,
• 1:12:56
  he's going to study it but he requires things from the ruins
• 1:13:00
  of the House of play. You journey through the house of
• 1:13:06
  play collecting different items, concoctions in, powering your
• 1:13:11
  own plague eater to help defeat the plague, and also
• 1:13:15
  experimenting to find the true nature of the blight that was
• 1:13:18
  left from the sample that you gained earlier.
• 1:13:23
  Fortunately, when you use the last concoction upon the sample,
• 1:13:28
  the sample takes form and decides that it's going to beat
• 1:13:31
  you up. You as the hero need to fend off
• 1:13:35
  this animated concoction. And then once you do that
• 1:13:41
  plagued device, or Mara left says, you have what you need and
• 1:13:45
  you head back to brill. When You Reach Terrace fall,
• 1:13:50
  they Mass produce, these plague eaters that have been empowered
• 1:13:55
  and then you jump on a bat and deploy them through aerial
• 1:13:59
  scenario. That is, you know, a lot like
• 1:14:02
  we've seen ever since BC, where we've been dropping bombs,
• 1:14:05
  everyone's favorite, everyone's favorite, unfortunately, it
• 1:14:10
  doesn't go as well as you'd hoped the plague devours decide
• 1:14:16
  that They are going to gang up. They all merge in the middle of
• 1:14:20
  under City, and then you must face a gigantic plague
• 1:14:24
  amalgamation. You defeat this.
• 1:14:29
  And in doing so clear out the remaining plight for the upper
• 1:14:33
  reaches of the keep of LaRon. But the undercity is still
• 1:14:39
  blighted you and everyone thanks you for your efforts and
• 1:14:44
  securing this much. They will work forward to
• 1:14:49
  restoring the undercity and restoring their place in tears
• 1:14:54
  fall. And the leaders come together to
• 1:14:58
  form a new. Desolate Council.
• 1:15:04
  Now. This is pretty much over except
• 1:15:09
  we get one more piece where we follow Kalia into the throne
• 1:15:14
  room. And this is where we get.
• 1:15:16
  One of the cinematics Cinematic is where calliope's reflecting
• 1:15:22
  on the history of the people of lordran, but also the history of
• 1:15:27
  her family and how she may never be truly accepted Among The
• 1:15:33
  Forsaken for both reasons. I think this is a good place to
• 1:15:38
  leave Kalia. But obviously, we will see more
• 1:15:43
  of her as she is part of a desolate Council as they move
• 1:15:45
  into dragonflight. Yeah.
• 1:15:47
  It's like the whole story was her trying to find where she
• 1:15:51
  belongs, which I think was, you know, some of the probably, you
• 1:15:57
  know, they started her down the path of trying to find where she
• 1:16:01
  belongs at the end of BFA with with, you know, dared
• 1:16:04
  proudmoore. And, you know, taking him under
• 1:16:07
  under her wing and You know, setting off to, to find some
• 1:16:15
  Solace for, for herself and, and others other, you know, forsaken
• 1:16:23
  now that Sylvanas had left them, you know, to their own devices.
• 1:16:28
  So, this is, I feel, it's a good.
• 1:16:31
  It's a good ending to that kind of small Arc.
• 1:16:34
  I would consider it a course correction, for her character.
• 1:16:38
  I think that where she is now. Now is good.
• 1:16:43
  They have reduced, the differences between her and The
• 1:16:46
  Forsaken or very much addressed. At those differences.
• 1:16:50
  Don't fully matter. But Kalia has always stood apart
• 1:16:55
  from The Forsaken and has up until this point walked in and
• 1:17:02
  had the answers for them. And this is a very problematic
• 1:17:07
  Trope that is used in media about the outsider being the
• 1:17:11
  Savior. Yeah, and I highly dislike it
• 1:17:16
  and I think a lot of the fans also disliked.
• 1:17:20
  It. It's not that she was raised by
• 1:17:23
  the Light versus raised by the typical necromancy that we have
• 1:17:29
  seen before through shadow. But that also was problematic,
• 1:17:35
  because the undead have always felt pain while using the light
• 1:17:42
  Undead priest that use, holy magic and a channel.
• 1:17:45
  That light through them suffer a lot of pain in order to do that
• 1:17:49
  and Undead that have been brought by back.
• 1:17:54
  Even The Forsaken, no nothing. But like the rage and the
• 1:17:59
  darkest feelings and they're not.
• 1:18:01
  Able to feel good things. But Kalia raised by the light,
• 1:18:06
  has the full range of her emotions and can understand
• 1:18:10
  things that they don't see and doesn't feel the pain using the
• 1:18:15
  good guy power of the light. That was problematic.
• 1:18:19
  Yeah, she'd hasn't gone through their history.
• 1:18:22
  She hasn't suffered or being forced to commit the atrocities
• 1:18:27
  and then regain, Use of her body and her own autonomy and then
• 1:18:34
  being shunned by all of the people in. her Homeland that
• 1:18:41
  used to have that used to, Be her family.
• 1:18:46
  Now, hating her that's being juxtaposed.
• 1:18:50
  Now where the Forsaken are the family that are hating her and
• 1:18:57
  maybe they should learn from their own mistakes and be like
• 1:18:59
  will accept you, because we know how hard it is to be considered
• 1:19:03
  a monster and not have a place. Yeah, so hopefully that's going
• 1:19:07
  to go through, but come on in BFA.
• 1:19:11
  She like walks up and it's all These.
• 1:19:16
  Dark Rangers that are like, oh all we've got is read and she's
• 1:19:19
  like, I'll teach you how to do it properly.
• 1:19:21
  That was her story beat. Hmm.
• 1:19:25
  He's a lot 12, but no, like I think I think you're definitely,
• 1:19:30
  you know, correct about this. Like her story from the outset
• 1:19:33
  like even looking back at it before the storm, when when
• 1:19:38
  she's like, you know, given, you know, a good amount of at.
• 1:19:43
  But I would say a good amount of Within the story.
• 1:19:48
  Like she's definitely got this kind of Savior complex where
• 1:19:51
  she's just like, no put me in, put me in with my people and
• 1:19:54
  they need to be there for my people even though they're not,
• 1:19:57
  they're not her people there there, you know, twice removed
• 1:20:01
  from her people whenever whenever she was still princess
• 1:20:05
  and like her her actions, you know, killed a lot of people got
• 1:20:12
  her. Got a lot of keep of her people.
• 1:20:15
  Don't quote her people killed. Okay.
• 1:20:17
  Sorry, this is the finest. I will say that retroactively
• 1:20:22
  that's not true anymore. Right?
• 1:20:24
  Because we know Sylvanas, just wanted people dead.
• 1:20:27
  That was her entire reason for the war and everything.
• 1:20:29
  So she jumped at the provocation.
• 1:20:32
  It may not have been in even like some honest with a car with
• 1:20:36
  you know, her cool thinking and her ice-cold strategy.
• 1:20:42
  You wouldn't have left that provocation, but it's a good
• 1:20:45
  excuse. Is any so I think that it was it
• 1:20:50
  was just the excuse that Sylvanas needed and Kalia.
• 1:20:55
  Once again is a blameless for the blood that would otherwise
• 1:20:58
  be on her hands. Well, no, I feel like she would
• 1:21:01
  have done the same thing. Like you're right.
• 1:21:03
  Like so finest would have done the same thing probably with
• 1:21:05
  anduin. Like if Kelly I had been there
• 1:21:08
  she would have found any any reason to jump, any provocation
• 1:21:13
  to pull the trigger and And it just so happened.
• 1:21:16
  That Callie being there happened to give you the exact values.
• 1:21:21
  Yeah, like before anyone could do anything.
• 1:21:24
  But I think if Callie I hadn't been there, like you're probably
• 1:21:27
  right, like she probably would have done the same thing.
• 1:21:30
  Like used any, any old excuse like, you could have been a
• 1:21:33
  doin, you know, making a sudden movement out in the field and,
• 1:21:38
  you know, her giving the signal to her dark Rangers to loose
• 1:21:42
  their Vale, but either way The way that the story plays out is
• 1:21:47
  the Kalia and her decision to be there and to then uncover her
• 1:21:52
  identity in the middle of the field.
• 1:21:57
  To try and, you know, Shepherd who, you know, she perceived, as
• 1:22:03
  her, people to safety to quote unquote, safety got them killed.
• 1:22:08
  They didn't though. That's what I'm saying.
• 1:22:10
  They were dead. Anyways, everybody who decided
• 1:22:13
  to show up at that field, including herself was dead,
• 1:22:18
  anyways. She was looking to find the
• 1:22:21
  excuse, didn't matter what it was, and she was going to kill
• 1:22:25
  them to fuel the war to fuel. The Jailer.
• 1:22:29
  Yeah, right. So, all responsibility is
• 1:22:34
  retroactively removed from her. She just so happened to be the
• 1:22:39
  Fall Guy in this one, but it's not her fault.
• 1:22:42
  Then. I guess it would be her fault
• 1:22:43
  that she's dead. Not the fault because she
• 1:22:46
  happened to be in the wrong place, trying to do the right
• 1:22:48
  thing. You decided to be there because
• 1:22:50
  no, but that takes her agency away.
• 1:22:52
  Like her agency, still matters in that.
• 1:22:55
  She decided to be there. She decided he was just in the
• 1:22:57
  wrong place. I don't, I don't think you you
• 1:23:00
  put blame on somebody for doing what they feel is, right, right,
• 1:23:05
  even if before it. Negligent or foolish, but not
• 1:23:10
  necessarily her who pulled who like ordered the deaths, right?
• 1:23:14
  So she was also removed from there.
• 1:23:17
  But now, even if she hadn't been there, those deaths were going
• 1:23:20
  to be ordered. She's just, she's so removed
• 1:23:23
  from any fault or any wrongdoing.
• 1:23:26
  She has zero cope ability in what was going to be a bloodbath
• 1:23:31
  regardless of of it. The all she happened to do was
• 1:23:35
  be there and she probably Weebly saved the life of somebody else.
• 1:23:39
  Who would have been there in her space?
• 1:23:41
  Good point. But like that just makes me more
• 1:23:47
  angry at the Kalia figure because like yeah.
• 1:23:50
  Anyway, yeah, I'm hoping they do more with her.
• 1:23:54
  I think that her now having to deal with her family's Legacy.
• 1:24:01
  Moves that family forward in an elegant way much.
• 1:24:04
  Like any time we talk about beIN and he's moving through Carnes
• 1:24:09
  Legacy. We're not saying, oh, they're
• 1:24:11
  just shoehorning carne in there. No Bane has his own character.
• 1:24:15
  He bears that name and their forebears.
• 1:24:17
  It history. The manifold name is still
• 1:24:20
  carried forward, but she is her own actor with to use your term,
• 1:24:24
  her own agency, and now her push to help.
• 1:24:30
  The Forsaken and the denizens of Lord are on is going to be what
• 1:24:35
  she makes of it. So I think it is the right place
• 1:24:38
  for her and the right contextualization for her.
• 1:24:42
  And I think that the distrust between her and The Forsaken is
• 1:24:49
  a good character build, but you can still see it in a cinematic.
• 1:24:53
  She stands apart, so much G has Flawless Alabaster skin where
• 1:25:01
  they are like literally bolting together.
• 1:25:05
  Lillian Voss. Yeah, beekeeper together.
• 1:25:08
  Yeah, her eyes are like still very soft and delicate.
• 1:25:12
  Where there's this unnatural glow and Lillian voss's size or
• 1:25:17
  any of the Forsaken. No.
• 1:25:18
  Pupils to make them seem monstrous.
• 1:25:21
  She's the she is so set apart from the rest of them.
• 1:25:26
  I'm hoping that they start exploring that.
• 1:25:29
  Hey, you know what? Give people light forged Undead.
• 1:25:33
  Make it more of like, this is how we get to propagate.
• 1:25:36
  And some of the undead will be like, I don't trust it.
• 1:25:39
  I'm not doing it. And some of the undead will be
• 1:25:40
  like, I'll go through this process, because this is how I
• 1:25:43
  get to live. And some people who have died
• 1:25:46
  after the fact and be like, no I want to be with my family,
• 1:25:49
  that's on that side. And I will become part of the
• 1:25:53
  Forsaken and they come through as light or dark or Never it to
• 1:25:57
  me. I think that is something that
• 1:26:00
  they could lead into. I'm not sure.
• 1:26:05
  But considering that they want to remove all class race
• 1:26:11
  divisions. Callie is an easy way to make
• 1:26:14
  Undead Paladin's, you're not wrong.
• 1:26:18
  You're not wrong. But yeah, there's more story
• 1:26:22
  that did come in. Nine point two point, five.
• 1:26:25
  I will talk about later because we are already an hour and a
• 1:26:28
  half into this episode, and we do have some emails.
• 1:26:32
  Well that emails necessarily but questions from you guys that we
• 1:26:35
  would like to answer. So, yeah, if you have a question
• 1:26:40
  for us, as always, you can send it into Faz podcast at
• 1:26:43
  gmail.com, or you can join the Discord by heading over to
• 1:26:46
  bit.ly slash Fez, Discord. Where we have a channel
• 1:26:50
  dedicated specifically to questions for the show.
• 1:26:54
  So, without further Ado, Manny, would you like to take this
• 1:26:58
  first question? Sure.
• 1:27:00
  Sure. So, the question comes from JT,
• 1:27:03
  B. And G TBS, you all talk about
• 1:27:08
  the cross faction issues, and the possibilities of the Cross
• 1:27:11
  faction guilds because guilds are tied to a bank.
• 1:27:14
  And the server economy. I feel like guilds are probably
• 1:27:18
  too. Too far.
• 1:27:19
  However, Olivia is totally right in that.
• 1:27:21
  There shouldn't be a barrier to play with friends.
• 1:27:24
  No matter where they are in the World of Warcraft.
• 1:27:27
  My question is, this doesn't cross realm cross-faction
• 1:27:31
  communities, fix this, you mentioned it on the pod.
• 1:27:37
  You eliminated. The Eco economics, right?
• 1:27:40
  You eliminate the economic element with this.
• 1:27:43
  Everyone can still play together, unrestricted,
• 1:27:46
  crossrealms / faction, grouping for most content and it means if
• 1:27:51
  you want to be more casual in your guild or your community,
• 1:27:56
  you can still raid in the other, maybe adding some perks to
• 1:27:59
  communities as well. What do you think?
• 1:28:03
  Okay, so do go back to our last episode for the conversation
• 1:28:08
  that we had about this. I'm going to be shorter about
• 1:28:11
  this one. Currently with nine point, two
• 1:28:15
  point five, if you want to do instance, content with your
• 1:28:20
  friend, excluding the PVP bug. I'm sorry.
• 1:28:22
  PVP players. There is nothing restricting you
• 1:28:27
  from doing. So you can write people who are
• 1:28:32
  looking for the guild or Guild perks.
• 1:28:34
  And all of that, that is not a restriction.
• 1:28:37
  That is a perk and what people are asking for with cross realm,
• 1:28:41
  cross-faction guilds is for all of the perks.
• 1:28:44
  So that they don't feel like they're missing out by rating
• 1:28:49
  with their friends. And I thought I had separated
• 1:28:52
  that conversation in the last. Sewed.
• 1:28:55
  However, I have had people who have talked about this with me
• 1:29:00
  since then, who were once again, sort of putting the two
• 1:29:04
  together, and I want to just say, if you want to play with
• 1:29:09
  anybody in your region North America, because you're in North
• 1:29:13
  America Europe, because you're in Europe, there is nothing
• 1:29:17
  stopping you other than forming group with them and jumping into
• 1:29:22
  the instance or getting an invite while there.
• 1:29:24
  They're with their group and jumping in and play together.
• 1:29:29
  That's just the simple fact of it right now.
• 1:29:33
  A conversation about Guild perks.
• 1:29:35
  And if the communities could be adjusted to include perks, I
• 1:29:41
  guess. Can we can, we talk about that?
• 1:29:43
  Can we agree that? The first part is sort of
• 1:29:45
  settled and done with? Yeah.
• 1:29:46
  Yeah, it's okay. Perfect.
• 1:29:49
  Okay, so, I guess so, like again, it's a perk.
• 1:29:55
  I'm currently not in a guild. I'm trying out for this Guild.
• 1:29:59
  I think really all I need to do is just ask to join the guild
• 1:30:03
  and make the Over transfer at this point and I'll be part of
• 1:30:05
  that Guild, which is nice and everything, but I don't care.
• 1:30:11
  I'm in there, Discord, WeChat and everything, right?
• 1:30:15
  I show up and I get invited to the raid.
• 1:30:19
  I can do Mythic plus with them. I don't we don't have a
• 1:30:25
  community. We just have the Discord.
• 1:30:27
  The discords already fulfilling everything that I would want out
• 1:30:30
  of a guild. The the like conveniences of a
• 1:30:37
  guild, the fact that there will be achieved ments that will be
• 1:30:41
  popping up because the guild did it.
• 1:30:43
  Whether I'm officially listed as part of that guilt or not
• 1:30:46
  doesn't make a difference to me. And so it's part of why I don't
• 1:30:51
  have a long conversation about this part of it.
• 1:30:54
  I don't have much of a Horse in the in the race.
• 1:31:02
  Soon as you start booting like hey Guild achievement and it's
• 1:31:06
  got a mount guys. I'm you know, I'm going to go
• 1:31:07
  jump in it, sir for transferring jumping into that guilt because
• 1:31:10
  I want something from it, but is that but is that want necessary
• 1:31:17
  for a crossover community? I think that the limitation
• 1:31:23
  there is how much I'm willing to pay.
• 1:31:25
  Because if they're my friends, if I feel that this is a long
• 1:31:29
  and ever. I don't think that the cost of a
• 1:31:32
  server transfer for my character is that high in desk?
• 1:31:36
  But that is my position based on where I'm standing economically,
• 1:31:41
  where I'm standing with, like, the friends that I'm playing
• 1:31:44
  with. I think my friends are worth it.
• 1:31:46
  And I don't think that the cost is too high that again is I was
• 1:31:51
  at my very four people. Some people may not have the
• 1:31:55
  money to be able to blow on a server transfer.
• 1:31:59
  It may be that it's not a single server transfer.
• 1:32:01
  You've got several alts that you want to move over.
• 1:32:04
  And so that becomes very expensive.
• 1:32:08
  Do I think I'm switching to communities is the answer.
• 1:32:12
  Do I think, removing the cost of a server transfer is an answer.
• 1:32:15
  I think both of those could be answers.
• 1:32:20
  I just think that. Guilds should not go the way of
• 1:32:25
  the dodo, should not be made utterly Obsolete and they should
• 1:32:29
  look at doing something for that.
• 1:32:33
  So I would more be looking at, can I make the server transfer
• 1:32:38
  something cheaper? Could I maybe say, hey, for
• 1:32:41
  every x amount of months, you're you're with us, you get a free
• 1:32:47
  re customization or free server transfer some token that you can
• 1:32:51
  use. Use towards a service.
• 1:32:53
  Thank you for your loyalty. I think that might be the more
• 1:32:57
  elegant answer for me. So that people who want to jump
• 1:33:01
  servers, right can eventually either reduce the cost or
• 1:33:06
  eliminate the cost just by playing and paying their
• 1:33:10
  regular. No sub.
• 1:33:13
  Or they may just say and you know what?
• 1:33:15
  It doesn't matter. So much for me to be on the
• 1:33:16
  guild because of all the way I communicate with my friends
• 1:33:19
  outside of a guild system and they Put that towards making
• 1:33:24
  their character switch over to whatever race, they want to make
• 1:33:30
  it or faction jumping to night owls, because everybody wants to
• 1:33:34
  be a night, elf hunter these days and doesn't matter what
• 1:33:37
  server there on, as long as they get to pew pew, with their bow
• 1:33:40
  and be like, Oh, I'm stealthy. Yeah.
• 1:33:43
  I mean, I've given I've given my two cents on on this last
• 1:33:50
  episode and I think, I think Where we landed is, you know,
• 1:33:54
  pretty much, pretty much where I sit on this.
• 1:33:57
  Like, I I did I did frame it as not having guilds open to to
• 1:34:09
  cross faction. And even even cross realm was a
• 1:34:15
  restriction on the ability to play with friends, which is not
• 1:34:20
  true. Like you're absolutely right.
• 1:34:22
  It's not true. I can play with whoever I want
• 1:34:25
  whatever server that I'm lying. As long as long as I'm in the
• 1:34:27
  same region, right? Like there is Last true barrier
• 1:34:31
  right now. Yeah, but you know for the
• 1:34:34
  purposes of like like one of the one of the unspoken perks of
• 1:34:39
  having a guild as there's a built-in tool in the game that
• 1:34:42
  you can, you know, create a calendar event that that you
• 1:34:47
  can, you know, have members of your guild sign up for that
• 1:34:50
  event and then do that in communities.
• 1:34:53
  Yeah. I mean you can do it now.
• 1:34:56
  And it's a good thing. And, you know, now, that now
• 1:35:01
  that we have cross faction communities that also opened up
• 1:35:05
  in 925. You know, that's, that's one
• 1:35:08
  less worry that I have about about this this whole thing to
• 1:35:13
  begin with. I'd like I had all that I want
• 1:35:16
  is for for the play experience of people in the game to be such
• 1:35:25
  that they can log. In on whatever character they
• 1:35:27
  want. And, you know, they have a
• 1:35:30
  friend that is is playing at the same time.
• 1:35:34
  Then they can jump in. Do whatever content together.
• 1:35:39
  As long as we have that. I don't think I have any real
• 1:35:42
  complaints, okay? So, do you want to take the next
• 1:35:45
  question then? Yeah, next question comes from
• 1:35:48
  cap bat. Who?
• 1:35:50
  Who says hail. I'm not an instance, constant,
• 1:35:53
  sort of guy. I don't like the rigidity of
• 1:35:56
  what's required to do up-to-date instance content.
• 1:35:59
  Queue up have to rely on other people, at that specific time,
• 1:36:03
  fairly linear large single block time, sync type of content.
• 1:36:09
  So I do World PVE that leaves me in the unenviable position of
• 1:36:14
  not. Having great gear which at times
• 1:36:17
  sucks. However, one thing I have liked
• 1:36:19
  in 9.0 and 9.1 is the upgrade gear.
• 1:36:22
  You get all your low-level gear pretty much at the start.
• 1:36:24
  Then you finish the one-off content and go into dailies to
• 1:36:28
  get the currency that upgrade your gear to the best that it
• 1:36:31
  can be all of your gear, then eventually gets up to x max
• 1:36:34
  level. I think that idea of that is
• 1:36:37
  great for my situation, but in the last two patches, maybe the
• 1:36:40
  execution was lacking and 9.0. I thought the availability of
• 1:36:45
  Anima to upgrade maybe might have been too low, but
• 1:36:49
  ultimately I got everything upgraded and and I could do that
• 1:36:53
  in a measured way. Same thing with core Thea in the
• 1:36:56
  catalog research my grape with that which absolutely ruined.
• 1:36:59
  My experience was the Codex thing that you needed to buy to
• 1:37:03
  unlock your tier 5 item upgrades required to your 6 rep, which I
• 1:37:07
  can only imagine was a Monumental stuff up on someone's
• 1:37:10
  behalf that they refuse to fix. But again, ultimately, I got
• 1:37:14
  through And upgraded everything. Now in 9.2., I've bought all my
• 1:37:18
  Cypher upgrades weeks, maybe months ago, but I'm still
• 1:37:21
  kicking around with, with some gear that's below. 250 to when
• 1:37:25
  drinking is still a nine point, one trick, get that IMAX is way
• 1:37:28
  better than anything. I've come across but then some
• 1:37:31
  gear that's above there. Seems to be no consistency to
• 1:37:34
  it. Why do you think bliz went away
• 1:37:37
  from a system that ultimately worked when it came to gearing
• 1:37:40
  in World? PVE to this hodgepodge system
• 1:37:44
  where you're not Guaranteed to get the max level item.
• 1:37:47
  It is claimed you can get so, I have a couple of thoughts on
• 1:37:55
  this. The the first thought is in my
• 1:38:00
  mind from a, from a world, PVE perspective, everything except
• 1:38:07
  for a weapon is currently available in xerath.
• 1:38:10
  Mortis. Like, you can go through and get
• 1:38:12
  every slot filled out through just doing World content and 0th
• 1:38:16
  mortis except for a weapon, which you obviously, you have
• 1:38:20
  to, you have to go either, you know, go in.
• 1:38:23
  And do like the 60's and get a weapon there or I think I think
• 1:38:30
  you can craft a 233 weapon. I don't know.
• 1:38:33
  Maybe not only, maybe not, but regardless there are there are
• 1:38:39
  some weapons that you can just get as drops from from some of
• 1:38:43
  the rares around 0.2. So they are obtainable but
• 1:38:45
  they're not like it's not the sand, the sand worm gear, not
• 1:38:51
  the same item level and and I don't think that they scale the
• 1:38:54
  same way that the rest of the cipher gear works in the zone.
• 1:38:57
  So so there are those bosses into dunes and they drop to 46
• 1:39:02
  that would be the same as the sand worm gear.
• 1:39:06
  And then there are some of the rares elsewhere and they drop to
• 1:39:09
  30 something here. So there's nothing that scales
• 1:39:13
  all the way to 250 to like you can get from the cipher gear and
• 1:39:20
  That just means that the cap for your for your weapons is
• 1:39:23
  different than the cat for your site for gear.
• 1:39:28
  I think that one of the ways that this system is weird, is
• 1:39:34
  that not? Everything comes from the same
• 1:39:36
  Source? Yeah, but I don't believe 9.1
• 1:39:39
  did that either. Could you get weapons and
• 1:39:41
  upgrades them in 9.1? I don't believe you could know.
• 1:39:45
  Yeah. Well, you know, you could, you
• 1:39:48
  could get weapons in Korea. They upgraded to 230, was a to
• 1:39:53
  32 Degree, can't remember. But either way, like you could
• 1:39:56
  get weapons, upgrade them all the way to rank 6.
• 1:40:01
  So that mean that that's kind of a departure from, you know, even
• 1:40:05
  from patch to patch that they that they decided to leave out
• 1:40:08
  weapons is kind of weird from from the entire, you know,
• 1:40:15
  Cipher system. But like, that's that's the only
• 1:40:20
  real difference that I see was, was the weapons.
• 1:40:26
  Everything else was was completely obtainable at that at
• 1:40:31
  that, you know, highest open World level bracket.
• 1:40:37
  The reason that I, the only reason that I can think of off
• 1:40:43
  the top of my head, that they would do something like this,
• 1:40:47
  that they would. It'd be a little bit more
• 1:40:50
  restrictive on the gear that you can get from 0th.
• 1:40:53
  Mortis is that they didn't want to feel.
• 1:40:58
  They didn't want players to feel, pressured to go do that to
• 1:41:01
  go grind out that content to go grind out there.
• 1:41:04
  Ciphers within the first couple of weeks in order to get that
• 1:41:09
  gear in preparation for going into the raid.
• 1:41:12
  That's the only reason that I can that I can fathom that they
• 1:41:15
  would do that. But like anyone's guess is as
• 1:41:21
  good as anyone elses on that front at this point, because
• 1:41:23
  they haven't really haven't really addressed that.
• 1:41:26
  So, my take, On this is that Cordia gear has far greater
• 1:41:34
  Reliance on orangey. Your the sources you get are
• 1:41:39
  going to be from your world quest three a day.
• 1:41:44
  We're in core Thea, you could get it off of rares.
• 1:41:48
  You could eventually buy it and then start upgrading it.
• 1:41:53
  You could get it from doing any of the quest that would randomly
• 1:41:57
  give you gear, that. You could then upgrade.
• 1:42:00
  But it was a much longer grind the ability to get 2252 like
• 1:42:07
  ensure that those jobs are 252. He's incredibly fast in court.
• 1:42:13
  Sorry. In 0th mortise versus core Thea.
• 1:42:17
  And so the RNG tail is what makes it longer.
• 1:42:22
  Which one you prefer is really your taste for somebody who
• 1:42:30
  maybe is trying to fill in some gaps, the RNG to find the right
• 1:42:36
  thing is going to be so much frustration for somebody who can
• 1:42:41
  get an upgrade from anything. You're just gonna be like, oh
• 1:42:44
  sweet. I get to 52 that much faster.
• 1:42:46
  And I don't have to grind it to get these upgrades.
• 1:42:49
  So there's give and take on that.
• 1:42:52
  I think that going forward, they are more relying on professions.
• 1:43:00
  And so if professions are fairly determinant and by that, I mean,
• 1:43:07
  I want to make this set of racers because bracers as we all
• 1:43:13
  know or the biggest frustration you're ever going to find for
• 1:43:16
  any player, especially if you're trying to get them out of the
• 1:43:19
  great Vault, so you're trying to get bracers. and, You could go
• 1:43:26
  to Professor professional and the professional because they I
• 1:43:29
  can make you these low-level bracers and I have all the mats
• 1:43:32
  or you can get this rare item that drops off of this mystical
• 1:43:37
  creature that spawns, once an hour and over by that pool over
• 1:43:41
  there. And so you kill that creature,
• 1:43:44
  you get the rare item, you do your work order that's going to
• 1:43:47
  be a thing and dragonflight and you get your much better braces.
• 1:43:52
  That to me, I think is a much better way of doing it, where
• 1:43:57
  that creature may be actually quite difficult.
• 1:44:00
  So you might be like, okay, I need to upgrade my gear to, at
• 1:44:02
  least this level, so that I can kill that creature, so that I
• 1:44:06
  can get better gear. And that to me is a proper
• 1:44:08
  progression path. The reason that we have these
• 1:44:13
  upgrade systems, the reason that you need to go through and
• 1:44:17
  eventually get all this gear is because they don't want people
• 1:44:20
  walking in on day one and being like, Got all the best gear this
• 1:44:24
  game is done for me. You need to work for it.
• 1:44:27
  You need to get it over time. And that's why in core Thea, it
• 1:44:32
  was such a grind. How much of the currency can you
• 1:44:36
  get in a day? How much rep can you get to stop
• 1:44:39
  you from getting the ability to make one thing?
• 1:44:43
  Level level 8 or whatever the max rank was.
• 1:44:48
  We're all considerations in the core Thea build without the Same
• 1:44:52
  level of gates in the zeroth mortis build the way that they
• 1:44:59
  bounced. It is, they reduce the
• 1:45:02
  acquisition of the of the currency that you would get and
• 1:45:07
  they reduce the acquisition of the gear through random sources.
• 1:45:12
  So, I think it's a, it's the same system where they took two
• 1:45:15
  different approaches to the same thing.
• 1:45:17
  And based on your question. I think you like the grind more.
• 1:45:22
  I would hope that the agency of going to a professional and
• 1:45:28
  having them craft something. Even if you do it through a work
• 1:45:31
  order, where you never actually have to meet face-to-face with
• 1:45:35
  another player. I hope that that's going to
• 1:45:37
  solve it for you. Yeah, that's, that's exactly
• 1:45:40
  where I sit with it too. Like, I think that any of the,
• 1:45:43
  the open world PVP content should be something.
• 1:45:46
  That's, if not directly, then even just indirectly facilitated
• 1:45:51
  through professions out. I think that's a good direction
• 1:45:54
  to go in mostly because mostly because having these long
• 1:45:59
  drawn-out grind systems, like if you just so happen to like in
• 1:46:03
  core Thea, for example, which you did say made you rage pretty
• 1:46:09
  hard. There was a Caster DPS trinket
• 1:46:15
  that wasn't mandatory. But if you happen to get it, you
• 1:46:19
  happen to be able to rank it up fairly quickly to the max item
• 1:46:22
  level. That's a trinket that you held
• 1:46:24
  onto for quite some time through through the sanctum of
• 1:46:27
  domination raid. So in the interest of reducing
• 1:46:31
  that amount of, you know, dependency on stuff that is
• 1:46:35
  available through open world content.
• 1:46:38
  I think that a good answer to that is to have it.
• 1:46:41
  Available through professions to have the, you know, the gearing
• 1:46:45
  system of open, world content, be available through professions
• 1:46:49
  because that's a, is something that you can, you can just, you
• 1:46:52
  know, do on your own. Like you can, you know, grab
• 1:46:55
  leatherworking and and go make all of your hunter or Shaman
• 1:46:58
  gear or you know, whatever. What have you like?
• 1:47:01
  You can be completely self-sufficient in that and you
• 1:47:05
  know, not depend on other people or you can, you know, have
• 1:47:08
  heavier, you know, two or three alts that you're all working.
• 1:47:11
  Those alts in tandem with each other and you're going out and
• 1:47:14
  getting the materials for all the things that you want to
• 1:47:17
  yourself, or you can go farm up some gold and, you know, put in
• 1:47:22
  some work orders for the gear to get it that way.
• 1:47:25
  So I think that that's, that's a much, a much better system.
• 1:47:31
  I think it does. It does, you know, front-load a
• 1:47:34
  lot of the stuff where we're going to see if there are any
• 1:47:38
  particularly powerful pieces that that Raiders and BP players
• 1:47:42
  are going to be looking for that.
• 1:47:43
  They run the risk of having that be something that the people
• 1:47:47
  with the gold. At the beginning of the
• 1:47:49
  expansion are going to, you know, dominate in that respect.
• 1:47:54
  So there's also, you know, a further layer to this of they've
• 1:47:58
  got a balance for that as well. Well, I think that the way that
• 1:48:01
  they bounce against it, or at least that they saying that
• 1:48:03
  they're bouncing against, it is by having those raid, reagents,
• 1:48:07
  come back that you can use in the work order.
• 1:48:10
  So it's like the guy who's got a million gold can't be like, I'm
• 1:48:14
  just going to buy it because He doesn't have to the radiation.
• 1:48:19
  He needs to have the million gold, plus be able to get into
• 1:48:23
  the raid and get that data reagent.
• 1:48:27
  That to me, seems that it means the whales won't have as big an
• 1:48:31
  influence on the market. Yeah.
• 1:48:33
  As they might have previously. Yep, but that's, that's all I
• 1:48:38
  have on that one. All right.
• 1:48:40
  So the next question is from Acid State and acids Aid as
• 1:48:46
  Would you be okay with a strict NDA on Alpha / beta testing?
• 1:48:51
  No alpha or beta at all. Just internal testing only they
• 1:48:56
  have been increasing the size of their QA teams as of late.
• 1:49:01
  So it might be possible. They could test, things entirely
• 1:49:05
  in-house, not asking about the likelihood of it happening, but
• 1:49:09
  rather would either of you be okay with that.
• 1:49:13
  If it were to happen. Okay.
• 1:49:20
  So we're not talking about the likelihood.
• 1:49:21
  So I'm going to skip all of that, but I think in a perfect
• 1:49:27
  world where everything could come out perfectly without any
• 1:49:31
  external testing. Yeah, do it, do it.
• 1:49:35
  I'm sorry Wowhead. I'm sorry, the host of for
• 1:49:39
  Azeroth. You guys are going to have to
• 1:49:41
  scramble when it comes out live and talk about it and Discover
• 1:49:46
  it with everybody else. That to me would be great.
• 1:49:53
  That would create, that would immediately create a longer
• 1:49:57
  shelf life for all of these expansions because it wouldn't
• 1:50:01
  be solved day. One people would be discovering
• 1:50:04
  things and that isn't to say that it doesn't happen.
• 1:50:08
  Now there are times where people discover Secrets or behaviors
• 1:50:11
  that they didn't know about months afterwards and then it
• 1:50:15
  changes how people approach. Content happens all the time.
• 1:50:19
  There's A a term for it, but I don't know it off the top of my
• 1:50:23
  head. I'm sorry guys, but those
• 1:50:27
  sleeper discoveries are limited by contact and the more external
• 1:50:34
  contact you have through these open or closed betas / Alphas,
• 1:50:39
  the more likely you're going to have people going in like that.
• 1:50:43
  Stupid Manny. Like, whoever you've got on
• 1:50:46
  Wowhead testing through this. The behaviors in that to then
• 1:50:52
  give you the day one article about hairs all the guides on
• 1:50:55
  how you can get to level 60 and two seconds on Diablo Immortal
• 1:50:59
  and it and all the Mysteries out of it.
• 1:51:02
  So, yes, I'm totally fine with it.
• 1:51:06
  Just if first Contact is literally, when the game goes
• 1:51:09
  live, but the game is in excellent condition.
• 1:51:14
  Doesn't need to be perfect. Nothing is ever perfect.
• 1:51:16
  But is an excellent condition. I am totally for that, but you
• 1:51:19
  know what that'll mean? Again, I'm going to stop my
• 1:51:23
  sadness there because we're not talking about the likelihood.
• 1:51:25
  Go ahead do it. No.
• 1:51:29
  No, go ahead. No, talking about the
• 1:51:30
  likelihood. That's my answer is I want them
• 1:51:33
  to do it. I think that you know, the the
• 1:51:38
  age of data mining is gone too far.
• 1:51:44
  It'll be we. Okay.
• 1:51:46
  Where were you? Other than sick in your bed,
• 1:51:50
  drinking tea and watching anime. Where were you on Tuesday?
• 1:51:54
  When nine point two point five was getting put up on Surfers.
• 1:51:59
  I was looking at my phone and watching the wagon articles
• 1:52:04
  spill out. It's ridiculous.
• 1:52:09
  Like they were just like and part of this may have been
• 1:52:13
  blizzards fault of putting a new version of the of the patch up
• 1:52:16
  on the PTR where people could data-mine it.
• 1:52:21
  But regardless, Nobody's in there was delay after delay of
• 1:52:27
  getting those servers back up and Wowhead is putting up.
• 1:52:30
  Spoiler here, spoiler here, spoiler there and let me be very
• 1:52:35
  clear, guys. This is not me bashing Wowhead.
• 1:52:37
  They have a job to do and they do it.
• 1:52:40
  Well, my particular dislike of spoilers, right?
• 1:52:46
  Is very nuanced because I will 100% be that guy on the PTR day
• 1:52:51
  one. And then on the We can be like,
• 1:52:55
  hey, welcome to France off. Let me tell you everything
• 1:52:57
  that's on the spoilers, right? So trust me, I both understand.
• 1:53:05
  Wow, heads position, where for their own livelihood and
• 1:53:11
  continued, existence. They need to get this out in a
• 1:53:14
  timely manner. So it's very pressing for them.
• 1:53:18
  And I also understand if I'm a player perspective, where I
• 1:53:22
  really would love Of to discover this myself and nine point two
• 1:53:27
  point five was The Perfect Storm of me being like doodoo.
• 1:53:32
  I'm working. Let me go, see if servers are
• 1:53:34
  up. No, they're not up.
• 1:53:36
  Huh? What's this alert?
• 1:53:37
  That I'm getting in the for Azeroth Discord.
• 1:53:41
  Oh, it's just wow, head putting up spoilers.
• 1:53:44
  Okay, so I had some details spoiled for me, but also got to
• 1:53:49
  go in relatively unscathed. Because I didn't click through
• 1:53:55
  on any of those Links at a certain point.
• 1:53:56
  I was like screw it. I'm just going into like a bit
• 1:53:59
  of a media blackout here and I got to enjoy most of all of
• 1:54:05
  these stuff that nine point, two point five had encrypted.
• 1:54:09
  Without reading about it ahead of time, without getting
• 1:54:13
  messages from my co-host. Be like, oh my goodness.
• 1:54:16
  Have you seen this? Because honestly, my co-head was
• 1:54:18
  because was pretty much dead to the world.
• 1:54:20
  So I was relatively safe from from her.
• 1:54:23
  So I got to go in. I got to go in and enjoy this.
• 1:54:28
  And I love that experience. And I do want that experience
• 1:54:31
  for other people. When I play other games, that
• 1:54:33
  are just when I'm playing Kingdom Hearts.
• 1:54:37
  I haven't read about spoilers on The hearts, I'm just enjoying
• 1:54:41
  the story when I jump in and I play all of these different
• 1:54:46
  releases when I'm playing when I eventually get to play Horizon
• 1:54:53
  zero Dawn or forbidden West because I haven't played either
• 1:54:57
  of them. I don't know that story and I'm
• 1:55:00
  going to enjoy it. And I pray that Joss isn't
• 1:55:02
  listening to this because she will skin me alive.
• 1:55:04
  If she finds out that I haven't played those games, but that
• 1:55:07
  would be the meant for me and I think people that it's a more
• 1:55:12
  fun experience in general. Yeah, like and this is something
• 1:55:16
  that we've said on the show before, like it's like the the
• 1:55:20
  benefit of having a PTR is that you have the Brute Force testing
• 1:55:23
  like you have hundreds, if not thousands of players going in
• 1:55:29
  and breaking your stuff and figuring out, you know, what,
• 1:55:33
  what the weak points in your game are Just by brute force.
• 1:55:38
  And then on the other hand. The downside is that everything
• 1:55:43
  is spoiled perpetually for everyone.
• 1:55:46
  So, yeah, I think I think I would rather have a slightly
• 1:55:52
  buggier experience and not be spoiled.
• 1:55:55
  Then be spoiled at the level that we're spoiled at all the
• 1:55:58
  time. Always I would not like for them
• 1:56:03
  to repeat what happened with the patch of nine point two point
• 1:56:09
  five. We clearly So much additional
• 1:56:15
  down time where people lost their raid nights or lost their
• 1:56:19
  play and it felt closer to old-school.
• 1:56:23
  Wow. Like I'm talking Wrath of the
• 1:56:25
  Lich King down time where you're like, you know what guys don't
• 1:56:28
  schedule a raid for Tuesday's because that is just playing
• 1:56:31
  with fire. You you kind of want to leave
• 1:56:34
  them the Tuesday to mess that up and we'll come back on Wednesday
• 1:56:39
  and if If I can't have a good reliable steady patch day one,
• 1:56:48
  then the story being spoiled to me, doesn't hurt me as much.
• 1:56:54
  Would that said, we have one last question.
• 1:56:57
  This one coming from Lord? Nathan me a kiss.
• 1:57:00
  Who asks, what then really asked to says.
• 1:57:03
  There are some cross game related items, / transmog,
• 1:57:06
  Diablo, 3 battle cruiser pet while is Diablo Tyrael grunty
• 1:57:10
  pet. With the release of two new
• 1:57:13
  games coming out soon TM. There may be more headed our
• 1:57:16
  way. Do you enjoy these?
• 1:57:17
  And if so, what would you like to see added?
• 1:57:20
  My answer? Give us Lilith in.
• 1:57:22
  Wow. Now so like a pet that follows
• 1:57:24
  us around or okay, so, you know, like the Diablo wings like the
• 1:57:28
  the cosmetically wing it. Yeah.
• 1:57:30
  I went that, but as like a cape effect, as a toy, oh toy, in in
• 1:57:38
  World of Warcraft, like I think that would be pretty, pretty
• 1:57:40
  dope. Oh, okay.
• 1:57:42
  Okay, I would like to see. Okay, I'm gonna turn this around
• 1:57:47
  a little bit. I would like to see some of the
• 1:57:50
  cross game related items, not be toys and transmog, but become
• 1:57:57
  particular customizations like you go to the character select
• 1:58:02
  screen and you can choose to have your Demon Hunter when it
• 1:58:09
  met him when it does metamorphose into.
• 1:58:11
  Vengeance. Look like Diablo, you can choose
• 1:58:16
  to have the demons that you summon as a Demonology warlock.
• 1:58:25
  Look like the minions of hell and you could have your Caster
• 1:58:30
  one be like, mephesto shooting bolts, instead of a Undead Mage.
• 1:58:34
  Give us some customization. That is different from, just the
• 1:58:40
  typical transmog, or toy item, where it makes sense.
• 1:58:43
  Go ahead. They have made some much more
• 1:58:46
  cool, harf Stones now as toys and I say, go for it.
• 1:58:52
  Keep Keep going with those. But I would love to where
• 1:58:56
  somebody's just like. Why does your chaos bolt look
• 1:58:59
  like it? Like it like it like reached out
• 1:59:02
  of the Void from Starcraft and smash somebody in the face.
• 1:59:06
  It's like well, I got myself like a dark Templar bolt.
• 1:59:10
  And so it's just like this thing going on your instead of like,
• 1:59:14
  you know that shadow that shows up behind you or like near
• 1:59:19
  people. I forget what it's called.
• 1:59:21
  I'm sorry. Shh.
• 1:59:23
  Caprice, you can yell at me by writing into for Azeroth podcast
• 1:59:28
  at gmail.com. But there is one thing where
• 1:59:30
  they have like this shadow creature and then it like locks
• 1:59:34
  onto you with this beam and start zapping you.
• 1:59:37
  What if we made that like an archon from Starcraft just suck?
• 1:59:41
  And you're like, oh, who, what the hell is that?
• 1:59:43
  Just? Yeah, that were, those would be
• 1:59:45
  really cool, fun, things. That would be in my gameplay and
• 1:59:51
  I would love them. Yeah, or Like to take that a
• 1:59:54
  step further like if they opened up like The Metamorphosis to
• 1:59:57
  like like it didn't have to be Diablo necessarily but like any
• 2:00:02
  of the demons in Diablo that you can like have a glyph, that
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  makes it look like that for him. Like they could also add another
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  one. That's like, hey, if you want to
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  take like a or if you want your demonic form to be like a
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  dreadlord, like we, here's the option because we have, we have
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  the, the models for Both male and female dreadlords now, so
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  like that's you know, a fun way that they could continue to use
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  those models like that. Yeah, that kind of stuff.
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  Would I think it would open up the door a whole whole heck of a
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  lot that I would enjoy it. Thoroughly Hunters.
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  Just like a little Quest that's like, hey, go here.
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  And you can tame this pet that looks like something out of a
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  different franchise. That would be fine, a change to
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  goggles for engineers. That makes it look like it's
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  something from torbjorn, instead of something from World of
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  Warcraft. Whatever they want to do, would
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  be kind of cool. But yeah, I think that they can
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  go a little bit further again. I think it should be stuff with
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  our characters. I know people keep clamoring for
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  player housing, but I really like keeping stuff that is
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  special to me. On my character, but if I were
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  to separate it from in gameplay, stuff, maybe a little change to
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  the title screen. So it's like, hey, your title
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  screen instead of being in the normal, starting point for your,
• 2:01:38
  for your characters, race can be or like, you know, demon
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  Hunters. Have their own special starting.
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  Screen can be one of these things from another game and
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  that's just like a little fun thing that you can add into your
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  game. Yeah, those are.
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  Those are points of customization that they've never
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  touched before. Yeah, and and there's definitely
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