Latest / Dr Justin Coulson's Happy Families / Talk So Your Kids Tune In, Not Out
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- 0:05Speaker 1: How many times do you find yourself saying? How many
- 0:08Speaker 1: times do I have to tell you? I'm on repeat?
- 0:10Speaker 1: I feel like I've just told you this. Why do
- 0:12Speaker 1: I have to keep on saying this? Get your shoes,
- 0:15Speaker 1: get your school back? How hard can it be? It's
- 0:17Speaker 1: one of those familiar scenes, repeated one way or another
- 0:21Speaker 1: across most days in most homes in Australia, that slow
- 0:25Speaker 1: semmer of frustration, where that simple request seems to vanish
- 0:28Speaker 1: into the ether and it's met with the selective deaftness
- 0:32Speaker 1: that only a child seems to be able to master.
- 0:35Speaker 1: Stay with us Kylie today on the podcast, we're talking
- 0:40Speaker 1: about why repeating yourself doesn't work and what to do instead,
- 0:43Speaker 1: because repeating yourself doesn't work. Repeating yourself doesn't work, doesn't
- 0:49Speaker 1: work work, if you know what I mean. It's trying
- 0:52Speaker 1: to be funny. That was a really subdued piece of laughter.
- 0:56Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying. Is it because it's a Monday?
- 0:58Speaker 1: Is that the issue?
- 1:00Speaker 2: Maybe?
- 1:02Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it just wasn't funny. I think that's what
- 1:04Speaker 1: you're saying. Hey, Kylie, let's talk about this because kids
- 1:08Speaker 1: right don't love doing what they're asked, and it's pretty
- 1:13Speaker 1: easy to call them to find or inattentive or I
- 1:17Speaker 1: don't know, see if we can find a diagnosis for them,
- 1:19Speaker 1: because they just don't ever seem to listen.
- 1:20Speaker 2: I remember one of our children, we actually took them
- 1:23Speaker 2: to have a hearing test because we were convinced that
- 1:26Speaker 2: there had to be something.
- 1:27Speaker 1: And this was back in the days. I don't know
- 1:28Speaker 1: what it's like in every other statement in Queensland. You
- 1:30Speaker 1: don't have to pay for it anymore, I don't believe,
- 1:31Speaker 1: but this back in the days when you did have
- 1:33Speaker 1: to pay for it, we paid hundreds of dollars to
- 1:34Speaker 1: test their hearing and they said, oh, she can hear,
- 1:37Speaker 1: she just doesn't like what she's been told. I think
- 1:40Speaker 1: that was the same day that I had my hearing
- 1:42Speaker 1: tested because you keep on saying that I am deaf.
- 1:44Speaker 1: And the hearing guy said, your hearing is fine, just
- 1:46Speaker 1: needs to talk louder. Yeah, And you were like, well
- 1:50Speaker 1: then your hearing isn't fine, and I'm like, no, no, no.
- 1:52Speaker 2: Bad boys band together.
- 1:53Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. So from a communication point of view,
- 1:56Speaker 1: we've got nine things to do to help the kids
- 1:59Speaker 1: to get it and to make mornings or day help
- 2:02Speaker 1: instructions to be heard and ideally, ideally, if the settlings
- 2:07Speaker 1: are appropriate, ideally to be followed.
- 2:10Speaker 2: So the challenge we've got here is that I would
- 2:13Speaker 2: suggest that most parents expect that if there is no
- 2:16Speaker 2: hearing challenge, I make a request, it's heard, and then
- 2:22Speaker 2: I want an instant action. I want an instant response.
- 2:26Speaker 2: I want an acknowledgment number one that they've heard it,
- 2:28Speaker 2: and number two that they will then go and do
- 2:30Speaker 2: what I've requested them.
- 2:31Speaker 1: And that's kind of that's how psychologists would describe the
- 2:33Speaker 1: hearing process, right, It's a linear process. You work out
- 2:37Speaker 1: what you want to say, you say, it comes out
- 2:39Speaker 1: of your mouth, the other person's brain is here at
- 2:42Speaker 1: brain interprets it, and then you get the response. Ideally,
- 2:47Speaker 1: they act, they do the thing that you've asked them
- 2:49Speaker 1: to do. But communication with children is different to that.
- 2:52Speaker 1: I mean, it's far more nuanced. A I'm going to
- 2:55Speaker 1: sound all flower and poetic for a second. It's a
- 2:57Speaker 1: dynamic dance, Kylie. And it requires more than just the
- 3:01Speaker 1: sending and receiving and the encoding and the decoding, Like
- 3:05Speaker 1: I just want to go back to mornings for a sec.
- 3:07Speaker 1: You say to your child, I need you to put
- 3:08Speaker 1: on your shoes. Put in your shoes. Please go and
- 3:10Speaker 1: get your shoes, put them on. That's the opening move.
- 3:12Speaker 1: So your child then has to receive the message and
- 3:15Speaker 1: decode and understand what you're asking. And then they provide feedback,
- 3:18Speaker 1: ideally with a nod or an okay, mum, or they
- 3:21Speaker 1: just walk towards their shoes wherever the shoes might be,
- 3:24Speaker 1: because who knows where they could be, and they start
- 3:27Speaker 1: to put them on, and our job is to be
- 3:29Speaker 1: attuned to their feedback in case that's a problem. But no,
- 3:34Speaker 1: it gets confusing because timing matters, what they're doing, how
- 3:36Speaker 1: they're feeling, what their agenda is. They're all factors on
- 3:41Speaker 1: how they receive the message. What's going on for us,
- 3:44Speaker 1: The way we say it, the tone of voice. All
- 3:47Speaker 1: of these things interfere with how the message is both
- 3:51Speaker 1: sent and received, regardless of how clear the words actually are.
- 3:55Speaker 2: One of our children, specifically, she really struggles if we
- 4:00Speaker 2: sound hurried. Yes, she doesn't cope with the sense that
- 4:05Speaker 2: she's been moved on too quickly. She really likes things
- 4:08Speaker 2: to be calm, They need to be collected, and we
- 4:11Speaker 2: need to kind of do things in a really even tone.
- 4:14Speaker 2: For her to respond positively. Our kids have so many
- 4:18Speaker 2: different little nuances, so many different ways that they interpret
- 4:24Speaker 2: the communication that we give them, and it's important that
- 4:27Speaker 2: we are able to understand that so that we can
- 4:30Speaker 2: have better outcomes.
- 4:31Speaker 1: So today nine ways. We've got less than a minute
- 4:34Speaker 1: for each of these things, so we need to go fast.
- 4:36Speaker 1: Nine ways that you can help if your child is
- 4:37Speaker 1: quite unquote not listening, so that you can shift strategies
- 4:41Speaker 1: and engage in more mindful and collaborative communication practices.
- 4:46Speaker 2: Okay, so number one, Number one, you're going to make
- 4:48Speaker 2: sure you've got their attention to start with.
- 4:50Speaker 1: Before you start speaking. Literally, so often we just start
- 4:54Speaker 1: shouting things from one room to another room and expect
- 4:56Speaker 1: that that will be enough. And that's a major problem.
- 5:00Speaker 2: This is something that I learned way back when I
- 5:02Speaker 2: was doing my childcare diploma, the acknowledgment that if I
- 5:06Speaker 2: want a child's attention, I actually need to get down
- 5:09Speaker 2: to their level. I need to be in their space.
- 5:12Speaker 2: It's imperative for effective communication.
- 5:15Speaker 1: So I'm going to suggest four things to help to
- 5:17Speaker 1: get there. No, three things, just three things. Number one,
- 5:19Speaker 1: say their name, So if there's some sort of naming,
- 5:22Speaker 1: if there's a personalized invitation. If there's a clear signal
- 5:26Speaker 1: that you're about to say something and you want their
- 5:27Speaker 1: attention for it, the name is the best way to go.
- 5:30Speaker 1: I'll say Kylie, and then you look at me. Okay.
- 5:32Speaker 1: And that's the second thing. Once you've said the name
- 5:35Speaker 1: of the person that you want to talk to, press
- 5:37Speaker 1: the pause button, give them a minute or a moment,
- 5:40Speaker 1: give them a beat or a breath to disengage from
- 5:43Speaker 1: whatever is that they're currently doing and shift their focus
- 5:46Speaker 1: to you. Eye Contact is the signal that they're with you.
- 5:50Speaker 1: Once you've met eyes, that's when you know you can continue.
- 5:54Speaker 1: Sometimes as well, it's really helpful if you're not getting
- 5:56Speaker 1: the eye contact, or if they're not stopping what they're doing,
- 5:58Speaker 1: or they've ignored you calling their name, touch elbow, shoulder, leg, Hey, kiddo,
- 6:03Speaker 1: you mention their name. You're touching them now, and then
- 6:06Speaker 1: they look at you, because there's that added level of
- 6:10Speaker 1: making sure that you have their attention before you speak.
- 6:12Speaker 2: Number two, speak their language.
- 6:15Speaker 1: Yeah. Essentially, keep it simple, keep it clear, keep it direct,
- 6:21Speaker 1: keep it kind, and make it fun. And one thing
- 6:24Speaker 1: at a time, did you like to lie? I gave
- 6:26Speaker 1: five things so that I could say one thing at
- 6:27Speaker 1: a time right at the end, so much information. I'm
- 6:31Speaker 1: so sorry.
- 6:33Speaker 2: Number three, confirm understanding.
- 6:36Speaker 1: Hang on a second before we do that. This one
- 6:39Speaker 1: also goes with the previous one, but it kind of
- 6:41Speaker 1: segues into confirming understanding as well. If you're going to
- 6:45Speaker 1: speak their language, I think it's really important that we
- 6:47Speaker 1: engage their thinking. So rather than just saying here's what
- 6:51Speaker 1: I need you to do, say to them, what do
- 6:53Speaker 1: you think we need to do before we leave? What
- 6:56Speaker 1: needs to happen before we can eat? So when you
- 6:59Speaker 1: ask them that question, not only you're speaking their language,
- 7:01Speaker 1: but you're engaging them in thinking, and that confirms what
- 7:05Speaker 1: they understand. So you might say what do we need
- 7:08Speaker 1: to do? Or if you've told them, you can say
- 7:10Speaker 1: what did I just ask you? And I've done that
- 7:12Speaker 1: many times. I'll just stand in front of our daughter,
- 7:14Speaker 1: she's looking at one of our daughters. They're looking at
- 7:16Speaker 1: me blankly, and I say, what did I just ask
- 7:17Speaker 1: you to do? You're looking a bit lost, and I say,
- 7:20Speaker 1: I have no idea. And the last one that I'd
- 7:24Speaker 1: recommend here is just say to them, what are you
- 7:27Speaker 1: going to do first? Or when will you do? That
- 7:30Speaker 1: by for things that aren't time sensitive, like the dishes.
- 7:34Speaker 1: Every now and again, instead of doing all in one
- 7:37Speaker 1: of the kids will say, hey, I've got the dishes tonight.
- 7:39Speaker 1: I want to watch an episode, or I want to
- 7:41Speaker 1: listen to a podcast, or I want to talk with
- 7:43Speaker 1: a friend while I'm doing the kitchen tonight. So I'll
- 7:45Speaker 1: do it on my own. Love it when they do that.
- 7:48Speaker 1: I appreciate time together, and I don't love that they're
- 7:51Speaker 1: on a screen. But sometimes it's just really nice to
- 7:53Speaker 1: give everyone a break, and that child's happy to do
- 7:55Speaker 1: the kitchen, and so my conversation with them at that
- 7:58Speaker 1: point will be when do you plan on doing it?
- 8:01Speaker 1: Because I don't want to wake up tomorrow morning and
- 8:03Speaker 1: discover that you just decided not to.
- 8:12Speaker 2: Number four read the non verbal cues.
- 8:15Speaker 1: This simply means paying attention to them, like their body
- 8:17Speaker 1: will tell you how they're feeling. Sometimes they don't need
- 8:19Speaker 1: to communicate out loud. Their face, their shoulders, their movements
- 8:24Speaker 1: will tell you if they're feeling confused or overwhelmed, or
- 8:26Speaker 1: if they're resistant, and you can adjust Listen, yeah, and
- 8:30Speaker 1: you can adjust your approach accordingly by going back to
- 8:33Speaker 1: number one and making sure you have their attention before
- 8:36Speaker 1: you speak.
- 8:37Speaker 2: Validate their feelings.
- 8:39Speaker 1: If they're struggling to comply. We talked about this last
- 8:43Speaker 1: a week and a bit ago on Friday's Older Better Tomorrow,
- 8:46Speaker 1: when we're talking about our daughter wanting roadblocks and we're
- 8:48Speaker 1: not okay with that, and there was so much validation
- 8:50Speaker 1: of her feelings that went into that. We talked all
- 8:52Speaker 1: about how much she missed a friends and how fun
- 8:54Speaker 1: it is to be on those devices and on those
- 8:55Speaker 1: screens and on those games. There's a lot of validation
- 8:58Speaker 1: going on. Don't you just wish that we could be
- 9:01Speaker 1: like all the other parents. Don't you wish that there
- 9:03Speaker 1: was a way that you could have more time with
- 9:04Speaker 1: your friends. I know, it's really hard to be in
- 9:07Speaker 1: this situation right now. It feels like it's just not
- 9:10Speaker 1: fair that validation does. Wonders when you've got a child
- 9:15Speaker 1: who doesn't appear to be listening or who is resistant
- 9:17Speaker 1: to what you're saying. You're not agreeing with them, you're
- 9:20Speaker 1: not acquiescing. You're not telling them that they can have
- 9:22Speaker 1: whatever they want or that they're even right. You're just
- 9:25Speaker 1: saying I get it.
- 9:26Speaker 2: Yeah, that idea that you've talked about plenty of times
- 9:29Speaker 2: about giving our children in fantasy what they can't have
- 9:32Speaker 2: in reality. In doing that, what you're actually saying is
- 9:35Speaker 2: I get it. I get that you want this, and
- 9:38Speaker 2: wouldn't it be amazing if you could. Just having someone
- 9:42Speaker 2: validate you in that way is so comforting.
- 9:45Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels good. Now you wanted to do the
- 9:47Speaker 1: next couple, so let me go through the ones that
- 9:49Speaker 1: you've jotted down. I don't know if this one's a
- 9:51Speaker 1: bit targeting towards me or not, but you said practice patience.
- 9:57Speaker 1: Thank you.
- 10:00Speaker 2: I think it's just really important for us to remember
- 10:02Speaker 2: our kids are just kids. Yeah, they're learning, they're just
- 10:05Speaker 2: they're starting out in life, and they're going to work
- 10:09Speaker 2: it out. But it's going to require a bit of
- 10:10Speaker 2: patience on our part. It's not going to happen as
- 10:12Speaker 2: quickly as you want. It's not going to happen even
- 10:14Speaker 2: as streamlined as you'd like it too. But with time, patience,
- 10:19Speaker 2: and a holy beloved, these kids are going to work
- 10:22Speaker 2: it out.
- 10:23Speaker 1: You saying that has actually reminded me of something that
- 10:25Speaker 1: I've been doing a bit lately. I don't know if
- 10:27Speaker 1: you've noticed. I'd love to get some kudos here. If
- 10:29Speaker 1: you've seen it happening in my parenting workshops. I'll say
- 10:33Speaker 1: to parents, when you ask your kids to do something,
- 10:35Speaker 1: how long do you wait before you ask them to
- 10:37Speaker 1: do it again if they haven't done it? And most
- 10:40Speaker 1: parents will laugh and they'll be like, oh, like four seconds,
- 10:43Speaker 1: six seconds, something like that. I've been really practicing lately,
- 10:46Speaker 1: asking and then just waiting. Sometimes I stand and wait.
- 10:50Speaker 1: Other times I ask and then I say, I'll leave
- 10:53Speaker 1: it to you to get this done, and I'll walk away.
- 10:54Speaker 1: Have you noticed that I've been much more patient? You're laughing.
- 10:57Speaker 1: I'm going to say that that is a no. I'll
- 10:59Speaker 1: keep I'm working on it.
- 11:00Speaker 2: No no, no, that's not what else?
- 11:02Speaker 1: But that was three noos? That no no no, Oh
- 11:05Speaker 1: my goodness. I'll practice give them a chance, is what
- 11:10Speaker 1: I'm is how I would add to your suggestion number seven.
- 11:14Speaker 1: You said the culture of respectful communication matters, and I
- 11:18Speaker 1: loved this. I could have talked about this one for ages,
- 11:21Speaker 1: but I love that you said this.
- 11:23Speaker 2: It's so important to foster open and honest communication in
- 11:26Speaker 2: your family, to create a safe space for everyone to
- 11:29Speaker 2: be able to express their thoughts and feelings, regardless of
- 11:32Speaker 2: the fact that it may go against everything that you've
- 11:34Speaker 2: asked them to do. It's important that they know that
- 11:37Speaker 2: they can say the things that they need to say
- 11:39Speaker 2: to work through whatever it is they're feeling.
- 11:41Speaker 1: So the gen Xa in me, when I hear the
- 11:44Speaker 1: term safe spaces, I kind of chafe and bristle, because
- 11:47Speaker 1: there was interesting safe spaces when I was come on.
- 11:51Speaker 1: And yet when I think about how there are, unfortunately
- 11:56Speaker 1: in all of our lives, and in mine and yours
- 11:59Speaker 1: as well, there are some people who when we're around them,
- 12:01Speaker 1: we feel like we have to hold back, we can't
- 12:03Speaker 1: be our authentic selves. We certainly don't have open and
- 12:07Speaker 1: broad ranging conversations with them because we don't have the trust.
- 12:10Speaker 1: We don't feel safe disclosing around them. And when you
- 12:15Speaker 1: said that idea of creating that culture of respectful communication
- 12:18Speaker 1: and the safe spaces, as much as part of me goes,
- 12:20Speaker 1: oh gosh, I get it and I agree with it
- 12:23Speaker 1: because while we spend time with people sometimes that we
- 12:27Speaker 1: don't know that well or we don't want to disclose
- 12:29Speaker 1: that much too, they're still in our lives and you
- 12:33Speaker 1: can really tell the difference when you're with somebody who
- 12:35Speaker 1: you feel safe with versus someone that you don't and
- 12:38Speaker 1: in our homes, our children have got to have that,
- 12:41Speaker 1: and when we do that, we're much more likely to
- 12:43Speaker 1: have an appropriate give and take in terms of when
- 12:46Speaker 1: you ask the kids to do something and you don't
- 12:47Speaker 1: get a response, here's how we're going to deal with it.
- 12:50Speaker 2: When I think back to the conversation we had with
- 12:53Speaker 2: our daughter who wanted to have roadblocks, there was this absolute,
- 12:58Speaker 2: a surety in her mind she could share with us
- 13:02Speaker 2: everything that she was feeling and all the reasons why
- 13:06Speaker 2: she should be able to have it. But there was
- 13:09Speaker 2: equal acknowledgment that while she had come up with an
- 13:13Speaker 2: impressive list, a brilliant list, that at the end of
- 13:18Speaker 2: the day, where her parents and we feel like this
- 13:21Speaker 2: is not the right decision for our family.
- 13:22Speaker 1: It's that culture, that safe space we can talk about
- 13:26Speaker 1: stuff and figure stuff out together here. Yeah, all right,
- 13:28Speaker 1: two more, KYLEI you said, remember the power of connection.
- 13:31Speaker 1: This is the heart of relationships, especially when things aren't
- 13:34Speaker 1: going quite right and the kids aren't listening.
- 13:36Speaker 2: Connecting with our kids on an emotional level, If they
- 13:39Speaker 2: know that they are seen, heard and valued, that they're
- 13:43Speaker 2: absolutely loved, they're more likely to respond to our requests positively?
- 13:49Speaker 2: Is that simple?
- 13:50Speaker 1: And my final one, which is just my favorite, is
- 13:53Speaker 1: when you ask the kids to do something and they
- 13:55Speaker 1: don't listen, or they resist or they react. Number nine. Last,
- 13:59Speaker 1: but definitely not least, just do it with them. Yeah,
- 14:02Speaker 1: bedroom's too messy, Go and do it with them. Can't
- 14:05Speaker 1: find their shoes, Go and help them put them on.
- 14:07Speaker 1: What are you laughing at?
- 14:08Speaker 2: I'm laughing because I showed you a reel the other day.
- 14:11Speaker 2: A little maybe three or four year old had been
- 14:13Speaker 2: asked to clean her room.
- 14:16Speaker 1: I remember, yeah, I was thinking, where are you going
- 14:18Speaker 1: with this?
- 14:18Speaker 2: I remember she was so excited to show her parents
- 14:21Speaker 2: and she's raced down the hallway and her parents have
- 14:24Speaker 2: got the camera on her, and she says, come, come
- 14:26Speaker 2: with me, and they've turned the corner and in the
- 14:29Speaker 2: hallway you cannot see the floor. All of her toys
- 14:33Speaker 2: are now in the clothes.
- 14:35Speaker 1: I'm sure everything from her room was in the hallway.
- 14:37Speaker 2: Come and she walks into her room and it is sparkling,
- 14:41Speaker 2: and her mum says, nothing done. Is such an amazing job.
- 14:45Speaker 2: And she said, but guess what now you have to
- 14:47Speaker 2: clean the hallway up and she says, no, I don't
- 14:49Speaker 2: want to mess.
- 14:50Speaker 1: Up my room diving in and doing it with the kids.
- 14:54Speaker 1: We've done this so many times with our children when
- 14:56Speaker 1: we asked them to do something and it's just too
- 14:57Speaker 1: big for them right there in the moment, even if
- 14:59Speaker 1: they've done it before, even if they've got the capacity
- 15:01Speaker 1: to do it. Sometimes they're too tired, they're too overwhelmed,
- 15:03Speaker 1: there's too much other stuff going on, And you get
- 15:06Speaker 1: in there and do it with them, and you enjoyed
- 15:07Speaker 1: the time together and they're happy.
- 15:09Speaker 2: To do it if there was just feel so overwhelming
- 15:12Speaker 2: in that space. I can think about one hundred different
- 15:15Speaker 2: jobs that I have done multiple times in my daily
- 15:19Speaker 2: life as a parent, and some days it just feels
- 15:22Speaker 2: all too much.
- 15:24Speaker 1: Yeah, but when I get in there and help make
- 15:25Speaker 1: the bed, yes, it's amazing. There we go. Nine ways.
- 15:30Speaker 1: Nine ways to deal with challenging moments when the kids
- 15:33Speaker 1: aren't listening, or when you're repeating yourself over and over
- 15:35Speaker 1: and over and over and over and over again. I'm
- 15:38Speaker 1: not going to repeat them all. There were too many,
- 15:39Speaker 1: but hopefully this was helpful and it's given you some
- 15:42Speaker 1: inspo for when you get home this afternoon and things
- 15:44Speaker 1: aren't quite right, or maybe this morning when you finish
- 15:47Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're doing this morning, you run
- 15:48Speaker 1: or whatever, Hopefully things will be better so that you
- 15:51Speaker 1: can have growth and understanding and deeper connection with your
- 15:53Speaker 1: kids and transform those challenging moments into something a whole
- 15:56Speaker 1: lot nicer. The Happy Family's podcast is produced by Justin
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