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Sharri | 17 June · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Good evening well first tonight to the outrageous move by
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Speaker 1: Chinese officials to bodyblock Australian journalist at chang Lei at
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Speaker 1: a press conference on Australian soil. We're still waiting for
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister and the Foreign Minister to properly condemn
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Speaker 1: this unacceptable act. Here in Australia, we fiercely protect our
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Speaker 1: freedom of the press, unlike in China, where journalists are
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Speaker 1: locked up or regularly disappear. The visiting Chinese premiere and
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Speaker 1: his henchmen apparently don't respect our laws or our values,
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Speaker 1: despite them claiming Australia is their new BFF, Panda diplomacy
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Speaker 1: and all of that. Well, Journalist Chang Lai was imprisoned
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Speaker 1: in Beijing for three years. She missed out on crucial
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Speaker 1: time with her children. She'll never get back. It was
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Speaker 1: deeply traumatic for her.
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Speaker 2: Twelve hours a day of pure sitting and very little
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Speaker 2: chance to get up and just walk, just pace around
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Speaker 2: a very little room. They say that they gave me
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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of fresh air, but all it meant was
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Speaker 2: there's a window up the top that the guard would
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Speaker 2: open for fifteen minutes. But the curtains are still drawn,
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Speaker 2: and you never saw anything except the blue curtains and
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Speaker 2: the mottled carpet and the beij padded walls. Silence.
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Speaker 3: And that was Cheen Lei.
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Speaker 1: In October twenty twenty three, after her eventual release, she
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Speaker 1: was working as a television host in China when she
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Speaker 1: was wrongfully imprisoned.
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Speaker 3: Now she's a journalist.
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Speaker 1: Here on Sky News, and today she attended the press
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Speaker 1: briefing in Canbra with Anthony Albanesi and the Chinese premiere.
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Speaker 1: She was aggressively body blocked by Chinese officials.
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Speaker 4: Have a look, signed.
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Speaker 5: Long.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can see that man handling there of
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Speaker 1: the by the Chinese official of an Australian constell a
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Speaker 1: diplomatic staff member. And you also saw there chang Ley
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Speaker 1: taking a photograph of the officials. Now, clearly an Australian
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Speaker 1: official asking the Chinese embassy staff to move is important,
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Speaker 1: and yet they refused. That in itself is shocking. Chang
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Speaker 1: Ley also tried to move seats. She swapped with another
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Speaker 1: Australian journalist, but the Chinese officials followed and once.
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Speaker 3: Again blocked her view.
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Speaker 1: She spoke about what happened to her on Sky News
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Speaker 1: earlier well it's.
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Speaker 6: Typical right with these events, especially if they're attaching importance
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Speaker 6: to the friendly facade that they're carefully staging, that voices
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Speaker 6: of discord or you know, the presence of someone who's
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Speaker 6: a bit controversial not harm that. And in fact, at
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Speaker 6: the I guess the briefing by Prime Minister of Nazi
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Speaker 6: and premierly Lee Chang, that's a freidancelant just now really
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Speaker 6: highlighted that because they went to great lengths to block
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Speaker 6: me from the cameras and to flank me. And I'm
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Speaker 6: only guessing that is to prevent me from saying something
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Speaker 6: or doing something that they think would be a.
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Speaker 2: Bad look, but that itself was a bad look.
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Speaker 3: This can't be glossed over.
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Speaker 1: And it's emblematic of how China treats its journalists.
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Speaker 3: And its critics.
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Speaker 1: I saw a firsthand when I was writing my book
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Speaker 1: and investigating the origins of COVID, how whistleblowers who tried
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Speaker 1: to raise the alarm about the new pandemic went missing,
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Speaker 1: never to be seen again. Even doctors some bravely risked
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Speaker 1: their life to give me information over encrypted platforms because
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Speaker 1: the time topic was that important to them. But the
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Speaker 1: shamelessness of these Chinese officials trying to flex their muscles,
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Speaker 1: and the fact that they felt emboldened to act like
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Speaker 1: that in front of our Prime minister, in front of
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Speaker 1: the full press gallery and in front of the cameras well,
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Speaker 1: that tells you everything about the nature of the current
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Speaker 1: Chinese regime. This is a serious diplomatic incident. Australian officials
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Speaker 1: were involved. They asked the Chinese officials to move, yet
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Speaker 1: hours later the Prime Minister claimed he still knew nothing
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 7: There's some of the documentsal being signed in the committee
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Speaker 7: room today. Some Chinese embassy officials tried to block my
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Speaker 7: colleague here in Chanlai from view of cameras. Is it
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Speaker 7: acceptable to import that kind of behavior into the heart
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Speaker 7: of Australia's democracy here in parliaments.
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Speaker 8: Well, I didn't see that. I saw Chang Lai and
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Speaker 8: we smiled at each other during Jerry during the event. Look,
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Speaker 8: I'm not aware of those issues. It's important that people
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Speaker 8: be allowed to participate fully and that's what should happen
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Speaker 8: in this building or anywhere else in Australia.
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Speaker 1: That is a very weak answer from the Prime Minister. Now,
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Speaker 1: Shadow Trade Minister Simon Birmingham didn't quite believe that answer
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Speaker 1: from the PM either, because it.
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Speaker 3: Is unbelievable that no one would have told.
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Speaker 1: Him about it, and Shadowhome Affairs Minister James Patterson also
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Speaker 1: said that Albaneze's version of events lacked credibility.
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Speaker 9: I would have thought, Tom, it would be surprising if
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Speaker 9: the PM's advisors didn't say, by the way, Prime Minister,
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Speaker 9: you might get asked a question about this, and I
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Speaker 9: suspect he should have been prepared and even if he
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Speaker 9: didn't quite see it taking place, should have known fully
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Speaker 9: that it was happening.
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Speaker 10: But it's not credible, Tom. It's been publicly reported earlier
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Speaker 10: this year that the Minister employs eleven media advisors in
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Speaker 10: his office, and among them are people who might be
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Speaker 10: surprised to some of your audience, but watch Sky News.
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Speaker 10: Standard operating procedure for a media advisor is to brief
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Speaker 10: your principle on recent breaking events before they go out
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Speaker 10: into a press conference. It is completely not credible the
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Speaker 10: Prime Minister did not know when he walked into the
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Speaker 10: press conference that this incident happened.
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Speaker 1: And James Patterson's view is that this is now a
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Speaker 1: pattern of behavior from Albanisi where he is repeatedly and
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Speaker 1: comprehensively failed to call out Chinese aggression, including and especially
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Speaker 1: when it involves our military who're putting their lives on
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Speaker 1: the line to protect our country. And James Patterson will
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Speaker 1: be on my show tonight to speak about this. But
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Speaker 1: just for a moment, think about the courage it would
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Speaker 1: have taken for Chang Lei to even be in that
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Speaker 1: room in the first place, in the presence of Chinese
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Speaker 1: officials who locked her up for three years. She never
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Speaker 1: knew if she was going to see her children again,
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Speaker 1: or sunlight again. You can only imagine the emotional trauma
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Speaker 1: of walking into that room, the courage to sit there,
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Speaker 1: the memories It would inevitably dredge up. But she would
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Speaker 1: know or trust that she's now in Australia, She's safe,
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Speaker 1: no one can touch her. And yet henchmen for the
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Speaker 1: PRC tried to exercise their own totalitarian values right here
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Speaker 1: in Australia in Parliament House. And the question now is
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Speaker 1: will Albanesi strongly condemn this?
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Speaker 3: Will Penny Wong? How can Chinese.
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Speaker 1: Officials feel so emboldened to act like this while they're
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Speaker 1: visiting Australia. Perhaps it's because they believe they've already bought
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Speaker 1: our silence. Albanesi will not call out China's foreign interference,
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Speaker 1: it's espionage's deensive militious cyber attacks, or its human.
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Speaker 3: Rights abuses in public.
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Speaker 1: He will not ask how the COVID pandemic started, despite
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Speaker 1: many Australians still suffering from long COVID or vaccine injuries.
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Speaker 1: He won't mention the Muslim wigas in labour camps in Shingxiang.
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Speaker 3: You wonder if he only cares about the plight of
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Speaker 3: Muslims when it's to do with Israel.
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Speaker 1: We're seeing from labor this dysfunctional moral compass, where Albinezi
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Speaker 1: feels a compulsion to condemn in the strongest possible terms
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Speaker 1: our ally Israel, while staying silent on the greatest aggressive
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Speaker 1: in our region, China. This is despite the fact Israel
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Speaker 1: is a democracy defending its people from terrorists in a
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Speaker 1: war that is as much about the existential threat of
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Speaker 1: the Jewish homeland as it is about protecting the value
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Speaker 1: that underpin our Western civilization, and China is part of
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Speaker 1: the emerging axis of evil along with Russia, Iran and
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Speaker 1: North Korea. But Albinizi appears to ignore the reality of
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Speaker 1: these threats. They just don't suit him politically or ideologically. Now,
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Speaker 1: also coming up on the show tonight, Peter Dutton is
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Speaker 1: catching up to Albinizi in the polls, but can he
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Speaker 1: win the next election?
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Speaker 3: My political analysts will join me later in the program.
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Speaker 1: Plus more downing allegations of sexual harassment at nine as
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Speaker 1: one TV legend speaks out to.
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Speaker 3: Say the behavior is entrenched at the network and calls
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Speaker 3: for changes.
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Speaker 1: Authorities ignore pro Palestinian protesters proud display of terrorist emblems.
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Speaker 1: But now let's bring in tonight's panel. As always on
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Speaker 1: a Monday, Sky News, host Listora and contributor Joe Hildebrand.
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Speaker 3: Welcome to you both.
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Speaker 11: Welcome, Thank you lovely.
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Speaker 3: Here Joe, let's start with you.
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Speaker 1: I want to get your reaction to what we saw
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Speaker 1: today with Cheng Ley.
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Speaker 11: Look, I think Cheng Lai.
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Speaker 12: I was talking about it on this network in this
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Speaker 12: seat just last night. Cheng Lay is an incredible human being.
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Speaker 12: I admire her resilience and strength enormously. I played, you know,
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Speaker 12: I remember writing a column, you know, calling for her release,
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Speaker 12: like so many others. I'm not pretending that idea anything
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Speaker 12: particularly special, but I just remember that as I was
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Speaker 12: writing and thinking, oh my god, we're just never going
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Speaker 12: to see this poor woman again. She's not going to
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Speaker 12: see her kids again. And you know, I hate bad news.
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Speaker 12: I much prefer to deal with a rough and tumble
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Speaker 12: of politics and horrible things like that.
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Speaker 11: And yet she's here, she got back.
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Speaker 12: Part of that, I think we have to acknowledge was
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Speaker 12: due to the way Anthony Alberanzi was able to reset
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Speaker 12: the relationship and he was able to have a word
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Speaker 12: with Jijiping on the sidelines of the G twenty. Apparently
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Speaker 12: this is how it came about, and so I think
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Speaker 12: we sort of have to acknowledge that. Having said that, today,
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Speaker 12: bliness of what happened today was clearly horrendous. I imagine
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Speaker 12: it would have been. And you can just see from
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Speaker 12: Chenley herself how incredibly you know, sensible, and you know
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Speaker 12: she didn't she didn't ge hysterical about it, she didn't
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Speaker 12: jump up and down. She was very clear, she was
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Speaker 12: very analytical about what happened, which just makes me admire
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Speaker 12: even more. But but that I think, you know, underlied
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Speaker 12: the horror of what we were actually seeing, which is
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Speaker 12: this kind of brute force totalitarian tactic in what is
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Speaker 12: meant to be the heart of Australian democracy. I do
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Speaker 12: think it's plausible to PM. I think the PM said
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Speaker 12: he didn't see it. I'm not sure if he said
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Speaker 12: he didn't know about.
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Speaker 3: It, but he said he said he wasn't aware of it.
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Speaker 11: He wasn't aware.
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Speaker 12: He said he didn't see it. But that might have
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Speaker 12: been a bit of plausible deniability.
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Speaker 11: It may well have been that.
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Speaker 12: Absolutely as soon as Premier League gets on a plane
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Speaker 12: and it's no longer in the country, I think it.
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Speaker 11: But that that is the nature.
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Speaker 1: There'll be in w A tomorrow, so we can expect
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Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister will be I want to ask
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Speaker 1: you about two things. One that vision that we saw
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Speaker 1: where the Australian official goes up to the Chinese officials
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Speaker 1: clearly says can you stop standing in front of Chang
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Speaker 1: Lay and following her wherever she sits, and the Chinese
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Speaker 1: official man handles her, touches her, you know, and it
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Speaker 1: overrules her. I mean, they are visiting guests in Australia,
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Speaker 1: but the fact that they feel so emboldened to be
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Speaker 1: this aggressive to stand in front of Cheng Lai after
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Speaker 1: locking her up wrongly for three years tells you so
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Speaker 1: much about how they see the current relationship with Australia.
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Speaker 3: We are subservient to them and they know it.
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Speaker 13: They know that we know about the cyber attacks on
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Speaker 13: the daily that are targeting our energy, our water, our
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Speaker 13: transport systems. They know that we know about all their
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Speaker 13: moves in the South China, see them threatening Taiwan. They
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Speaker 13: know that we answer to Washington and they're our closest ally.
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Speaker 13: They talk about this at depths. I love reading their
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Speaker 13: Global Times because it's straight well, our closest ally, and
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Speaker 13: we follow them into every war that they choose to join.
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Speaker 13: They they know where we stand, we know where they stand,
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Speaker 13: and we're in this ridiculous pantomime where they know that
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Speaker 13: we know that, they know that we know, and yet
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Speaker 13: diplomacy has to happen. We are very much, still, very
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Speaker 13: much reliant on China. They know that too, and so
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Speaker 13: I actually don't find this all that.
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Speaker 3: Shocking or at all.
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Speaker 13: This is the Communist Chinese Party acting for all the
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Speaker 13: world like the Chinese Communist Party. And what stood out
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Speaker 13: most to me about this is we say, oh, how
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Speaker 13: could they how dare they there on our soil?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 13: But who won who won that little altercation? Did we
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Speaker 13: have you know, actual security guards escort them from the
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Speaker 13: building and say, no, we are.
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Speaker 3: Standing up for this woman in our press back. No
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Speaker 3: we didn't.
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Speaker 13: They won that altercation and China saw that, and all
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Speaker 13: the eyes in China saw that, and so did every
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Speaker 13: single Australian who actually thinks that this government, if they
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Speaker 13: are misled enough to believe that this government can even
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Speaker 13: stand up for Australians to China, even on that tiny,
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Speaker 13: small scale, it would have sent a message.
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Speaker 3: But we didn't send it, did.
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Speaker 11: We I But just to clarify, everyone in Australia would
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Speaker 11: have seen it.
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Speaker 1: No, no, because there's no free press, which is appalling.
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Speaker 13: Although it would be something that they would be happy
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Speaker 13: to show because again they won. This is us pushing
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Speaker 13: around China.
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Speaker 12: You would never show like that. That would just show this
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Speaker 12: is Australia welcoming with it. And you're absolutely right. It
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Speaker 12: is a dance. It's often a dance in which you
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Speaker 12: get your hands dirty, you know, if you're you know,
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Speaker 12: you're always evaluating, you know, all right, do we make
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Speaker 12: a big fuss about this? Do we make a fuss
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Speaker 12: about it publicly? Do we do it privately. If we
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Speaker 12: do that, what's China's likely response? Will we lose this
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Speaker 12: free trade?
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Speaker 3: Now that's the whole point, Joe.
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Speaker 1: They condemn Israel every single day when Israel is doing
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Speaker 1: very little, if anything wrong at all. China engaging in
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Speaker 1: the most egregious act against Australia, against our national sovereignty,
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Speaker 1: and our prime minister is silent even when it happens.
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Speaker 12: If he's right with our biggest trading partner, the response
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Speaker 12: would be very different.
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Speaker 11: And that's just real politics. It's ugly, but it's sadly true.
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Speaker 3: All right, let's move on.
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Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfield is in Australia at the moment, in Sydney
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Speaker 1: in fact, for his stand up show, and he was
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Speaker 1: heckled by a pro Palestinian protester who tried to throw
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Speaker 1: him off mid performance.
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Speaker 3: If you haven't seen that yet, here it is. It's
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Speaker 3: a show warre.
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Speaker 1: And if you didn't love Jerry Seinfeld already, we'll have
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Speaker 1: a look at his epic response.
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Speaker 10: We have a.
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Speaker 3: Genius, lady, gentleman, He's sved the Middle East. It's the
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Speaker 3: Jewish thing, is that too?
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Speaker 11: To one's doing everything?
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Speaker 7: You're really influencing everyone here, you're all on your sign
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Speaker 7: because you made your points so well and in the
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Speaker 7: right venue, You've come into.
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Speaker 3: The right place. Or pollute.
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Speaker 14: Joe.
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Speaker 3: That is comedy gold from Jerry. What a good way
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Speaker 3: to handle that.
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Speaker 12: I feel like Jerry Seinfeld has just put, you know,
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Speaker 12: the tens of thousands of words of column inches that
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Speaker 12: I've been writing for the last twenty five years into
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Speaker 12: like one fifty one liner. He's amazing, He's great. And again,
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Speaker 12: when the Left does this, they do themselves a terrible disservice.
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Speaker 12: They look pathetic themselves. They make it so much easier
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Speaker 12: for the right to say, well, you're all just a
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Speaker 12: bunch of delusional numpties. They do absolutely nothing for the
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Speaker 12: Palestinian people. I don't want to do anything for the
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Speaker 12: Palestinian people because it's all about their moment of glory
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Speaker 12: and their moment of martyrdom. So far as they would
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Speaker 12: have thought about how is this actually going to improve things?
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Speaker 12: If they actually got to a second step in thinking
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Speaker 12: about it, which it's debatable whether or not they did,
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Speaker 12: they still wouldn't have cared because it's about them, it's
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Speaker 12: about them being heroic. Then they can tell their friends
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Speaker 12: about what they did about it.
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Speaker 1: Imagine spending four hundred dollars on a ticket to yell
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Speaker 1: your pro Palestinians be kicked out immediately.
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Speaker 12: Also, imagine what a low piece of scum you'd feel
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Speaker 12: while you're just sitting there waiting, trying not to laugh.
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Speaker 11: At all those dirty Jewish jokes that he's telling, you know.
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Speaker 12: Trying to sort of hoping that no one knows that
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Speaker 12: you're secretly from extinction rebellion.
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Speaker 11: You know, I hopeing he quiz guys, that's right? How
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Speaker 11: much you have to hate yourself?
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Speaker 3: What I love about this?
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Speaker 1: I mean you just said a minute ago, you know
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Speaker 1: that Chinese won there were no security escorting the officials
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Speaker 1: who were standing in front of cheng Lei around from
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Speaker 1: seat to seat.
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Speaker 3: But here, well, the security did take out.
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Speaker 1: Those pro Palestinians who were disrupting the show, and Jerry
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Speaker 1: Seinford won't get out. It has better security and a
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Speaker 1: Jerry sign show than in Parliament.
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Speaker 13: Jerry's got bigger gonads on him than our own prime minister, clearly,
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Speaker 13: but Jerry's also used to this now, right, So something
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Speaker 13: similar happened at a show in Virginia recently. We saw
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Speaker 13: when he got up to give a speech at Duke University,
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Speaker 13: which is where he hows from. The pro Palestinian protests
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Speaker 13: did this massive walkout, this big assembly, this was their statement,
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Speaker 13: and he did similar then and just graciously thanked everyone
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Speaker 13: who hadn't walked out. And this simply in the face
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Speaker 13: of a single Jewish man who has.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely nothing to do with what's going on with Israel
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Speaker 3: right now, and the fact that he's got the guts and.
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Speaker 13: To do so in such a satirical way to point
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Speaker 13: out the idiocy of these people who now want to
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Speaker 13: treat every Jewish person on the planet like they have
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Speaker 13: a you know, a real say in what's going on,
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Speaker 13: regardless of what people think exactly or how ill educated
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Speaker 13: they are about the conflict that's happening over there right now.
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Speaker 13: The idiocy of them to treat people like here in
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Speaker 13: Australia Jewish people differently, as if they've got anything to
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Speaker 13: do with it, as if.
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Speaker 3: They're on the direct line to and make them look
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Speaker 3: all for themselves. You know, I get this a lot.
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Speaker 1: I will get on the phone, particularly with labor politicians,
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Speaker 1: and they'll start, you know, having a go about what
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Speaker 1: Benjamin Nettinya who's doing, And I'm like, hold on, that's
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Speaker 1: on the other side of the world. What worries me
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Speaker 1: is how Jewish people are being treated here in Australia.
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Speaker 1: You can have your views on Netanyaho, that's fine, but
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Speaker 1: you can't have a different view on anti Semitism here
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Speaker 1: in Australia.
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Speaker 3: We all have to be against that.
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Speaker 1: And just because someone is Jewish, that doesn't mean they
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Speaker 1: deserve to be treated any differently.
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Speaker 3: Before we go, Joe, I just want to ask you.
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Speaker 1: About Kerry Anne Kenniley, the Nine television legend, has come
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Speaker 1: out against her former employer. She told The Australian that
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Speaker 1: recent allegations of inappropriate behavior by senior figures that the
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Speaker 1: company had not surprised her.
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Speaker 3: Here's what she had to say. She said, history has
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Speaker 3: just repeated itself.
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Speaker 1: I experienced the Nine culture professionally and personally over decades,
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Speaker 1: and it has learned behavior it was entrenched by senior
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Speaker 1: people before them.
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Speaker 3: Joe, this is you know, it's been this has now
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Speaker 3: been rolling for a few weeks.
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Speaker 1: But this intervention by carry Anne Kennelly shows, if it's correct,
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Speaker 1: which I assume it is, that it is a cultural
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Speaker 1: problem at the network.
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Speaker 12: What I found extraordinary about this and of course I
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Speaker 12: know Cac well, I'll probably get a text message from
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Speaker 12: her now any minute, but that you know, a lot
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Speaker 12: of the behavior we've been hearing about at nine and
21:37
Speaker 12: the allegations as well, both known and unknown. You know,
21:42
Speaker 12: it has been happening in the third decade of the
21:44
Speaker 12: twenty first century. Just imagine what it was like when
21:48
Speaker 12: Kac was there. You're almost sort of.
21:51
Speaker 11: Shut her to think.
21:52
Speaker 12: And it also occurred to me Kak has been very
21:55
Speaker 12: unfairly sort of pilloried, like I suppose everyone in public life,
21:58
Speaker 12: but I thought it was particularly unkind. She was pillaried
22:00
Speaker 12: towards the sort of twilight of her career for some
22:04
Speaker 12: remarks she made on studio.
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Speaker 1: It seems to be looking at vision and she's got
22:08
Speaker 1: pack now with Peter Costell, right, that's right.
22:11
Speaker 11: Goal and became, you know, and became this sort of
22:14
Speaker 11: public enemy.
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Speaker 12: And I just wonder how many of those in the
22:17
Speaker 12: woke right on progressive sisterhood who attacked her will now
22:20
Speaker 12: actually show her some of the respect and appreciate what
22:23
Speaker 12: she has to say.
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Speaker 1: All right, Choe Hitter brand listor I thank you both
22:26
Speaker 1: so much your time lives.
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Speaker 3: We'll see it at ten o'clock. Tonight. Cheers.
22:29
Speaker 1: Now coming up, Well, we've been discussing about how Chinese
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Speaker 1: officials body blocked the cameras from some but Daniel Andrews
22:36
Speaker 1: received a royal reception at Parliament during the state visit.
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Speaker 1: Shadow Home Affairs Minister James Patterson will join me next,
22:44
Speaker 1: plus more in action from Victorian police who failed to
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Speaker 1: reprimand protesters wearing terrorist symbols.
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Speaker 3: Stay tuned, welcome back. Well.
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Speaker 1: Given the way Anthony Alberizi is rolling out the red
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Speaker 1: carpet for Chinese Premier League, it's easy to forget that
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Speaker 1: China is the most aggressive threat to Australia in our region.
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Speaker 1: It's the top perpetrator of militious cyber attacks, foreign espionage
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Speaker 1: and electoral interference. In the Australian newspaper, Ben Packham reports
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Speaker 1: today that under the Albanezy government.
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Speaker 3: China has gone from wolf to panda.
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Speaker 1: He says the soft deploymacy On show stands in contrast
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Speaker 1: to the deep suspicion within the government, the national security
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Speaker 1: establishment and the wider community about China and its long
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Speaker 1: term threat to Australian interests.
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Speaker 3: He needs to take care or he'll be viewed as
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Speaker 3: a panda.
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Speaker 1: Hugger at a time when Australians are alert and alarmed
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Speaker 1: about the China challenge. Even senior Labour figure Bruce Hawker
23:51
Speaker 1: was concerned.
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Speaker 5: Elopment in the room, still defense, Taiwan, a relationship with
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Speaker 5: the United States, all these issues which are floating around
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Speaker 5: at the military in defensuland they're not going to go
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Speaker 5: away anywhere any soon.
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Speaker 1: Those issues the elephant in the room, he says, and
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Speaker 1: albanys he keeps trying to make this visit about pandas
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Speaker 1: as in the zoo animal Seriously, he.
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Speaker 8: Spoke about the Tasmanian devils as being cute animals. In Australia,
24:26
Speaker 8: they're probably not as cute as pandas. I repeat what
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Speaker 8: I said in Shanghai when I was asked my government
24:32
Speaker 8: is pro pander. We like panda bears and so do
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Speaker 8: I reckon Australians.
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Speaker 1: The visit hasn't been all smooth sailing. We've seen protests
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Speaker 1: erupt on Parliament lawn with reports of the CCP flag
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Speaker 1: being burnt, and while Chang Lai was body blocked from
24:52
Speaker 1: a Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews received a royal reception on
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Speaker 1: arrival at Parliament House. With officials even calling out to
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Speaker 1: ask for his photograph. And it's no secret why during
25:04
Speaker 1: his time as Premier Daniel Andrews slug taxpayers more than
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Speaker 1: half a million dollars for seven trips to China since
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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, and that included an eighty two thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: bill for his six day secret trade mission to China
25:19
Speaker 1: just last year. Let's bring in now Shadow Home Affairs
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Speaker 1: Minister James Patterson. James, thank you very much for your
25:26
Speaker 1: time this evening. Look, let's start with that outrageous body
25:30
Speaker 1: blocking of cheng Lai and Albanize's response to it today
25:34
Speaker 1: as well, where he said he wasn't aware of it.
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Speaker 3: Do you think his response is good enough? And what
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Speaker 3: do you think of the fact that Chinese.
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Speaker 1: Officials felt emboldened to act like that in Australia at
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Speaker 1: Parliament House.
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Speaker 10: I don't believe the Prime Minister unless every one of
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Speaker 10: his eleven media advisors are guilty of the most serious
25:55
Speaker 10: professional malpractice of allowing the Prime Minister to go and
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Speaker 10: face a press gallery press pack including Chang Lay and
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Speaker 10: didn't bother to tell him about the serious incident involving
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Speaker 10: Chang Lay only an hour earlier in Parliament House upstairs.
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Speaker 10: It's simply not a credible explanation. Frankly, I'm worried that
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Speaker 10: the Chinese delegation will be laughing tonight because not only
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Speaker 10: did they get away with it, but they didn't even
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Speaker 10: cop the mildest rhetorical rebuke from the Prime Minister of
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Speaker 10: Australia after they engaged in body blocking and intimidation of
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Speaker 10: an Australian journalist, and one in no small point, had
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Speaker 10: recently just spent several years in incarceration unjustly in China.
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Speaker 10: This really is a very disappointing episode. The Prime Minister
26:37
Speaker 10: has one last opportunity to clear this up tomorrow. He
26:39
Speaker 10: should seek an explanation from the Premiere for the behavior
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Speaker 10: of his delegation and an apology, and he should front
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Speaker 10: up the press tomorrow and answer questions about it.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 1: I think no one would disagree when it comes to
26:52
Speaker 1: the importance of stabilizing the relationship, getting rid of all
26:56
Speaker 1: the tariffs that have been really hurting Australian businesses and expots.
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Speaker 1: But when it comes to how this has happened, has
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Speaker 1: it been because of our silence? Has it cost us
27:09
Speaker 1: standing up for our sovereignty. Do you believe that there
27:11
Speaker 1: are areas where the Albanesi government is now failing to
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Speaker 1: speak out on just to appease Beijing.
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Speaker 10: The tragedy of this shari is that the Chinese government
27:24
Speaker 10: is unwinding the economic coercion campaign they launched against Australia
27:28
Speaker 10: because it failed, and they were always going to unwind
27:31
Speaker 10: against Australia because it had done them great damage in
27:34
Speaker 10: the region and around the world. We didn't suffer the
27:37
Speaker 10: economic hit that they thought we would. We stood up
27:39
Speaker 10: behind our public policy settings, and other countries who are
27:42
Speaker 10: watching didn't take the message China hope they would, which
27:45
Speaker 10: is never take on China. They took the opposite message,
27:48
Speaker 10: never to be dependent on China. And so the change
27:50
Speaker 10: of government was just a plausible off ramp for the
27:52
Speaker 10: Chinese government and face saving way of unwinding these things.
27:56
Speaker 10: And actually it didn't require any concessions from Australia, but
27:59
Speaker 10: I think they have been concessions, and particularly that been rhetorical.
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Speaker 10: This government has virtually ceased all public criticism of China's
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Speaker 10: serious domestic human rights abuses, all public criticism of their
28:09
Speaker 10: maligned conduct in the South China Sea, and all public
28:11
Speaker 10: criticism of their foreign interference, espionage and cyber attacks on
28:15
Speaker 10: our country, which are occurring on a daily basis.
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Speaker 1: Well, you say it's mostly rhetorical, but as you recall,
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Speaker 1: one of the items on China's list of fourteen demands
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Speaker 1: to Australia was that ASBI, a pro American think tank,
28:30
Speaker 1: be shut down. There is now a review into think
28:34
Speaker 1: tanks which covers ASBI, and there are concerns that it
28:37
Speaker 1: might be defunded or have its funding reduced.
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Speaker 10: Sure, I can share your concerns and the concerns of
28:45
Speaker 10: others about this, and I made a submission to the
28:47
Speaker 10: Varghezy review. ASPA is Australia's most globally influential and respected
28:51
Speaker 10: think tank. It has had impact far outsize its funding
28:56
Speaker 10: and position in the scheme of things. It's been remarkably
28:59
Speaker 10: success and particularly the work done over the last decade
29:02
Speaker 10: on things like the abuse of wigas in Hinjang on
29:05
Speaker 10: Chinese military universities and the way they're taking advantage of
29:07
Speaker 10: our universities really has changed public policy, not just in
29:11
Speaker 10: this country but around the world. It will be a
29:13
Speaker 10: grave mistake for the Albanese government to give in to
29:17
Speaker 10: China's pressure and to wind back even one dollar of
29:19
Speaker 10: our spues funding. And I'll be watching very closely.
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Speaker 1: Look, if you were in government and you are shadow
29:26
Speaker 1: Home Affairs Minister, how do you think you would handle
29:29
Speaker 1: the China challenge? How would you handle standing up for
29:33
Speaker 1: our sovereignty while still having a relationship with our largest
29:37
Speaker 1: trading partner.
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Speaker 10: What at a macro level, we will always stand up
29:42
Speaker 10: for Australia and we'll always put Australia and its national
29:45
Speaker 10: interests first. We will never compromise our national security in
29:48
Speaker 10: the pursuit of bilateral relations because we believe we view
29:52
Speaker 10: bilateral relations as a means to an end, not in
29:55
Speaker 10: an end in itself. It's about securing our national interest
29:58
Speaker 10: and in my own portfolio, will complete the agenda on
30:01
Speaker 10: foreign interference and espionage by bolstering the cyber vulnerabilities that
30:05
Speaker 10: we now face in that realm. This government has done
30:07
Speaker 10: nothing to combat the very serious foreign interference risk that
30:10
Speaker 10: cyber enabled through platforms like TikTok and we chat, and
30:14
Speaker 10: it's crying out for action because our elections could very
30:17
Speaker 10: easily be interfered with, and our public discourse right now
30:20
Speaker 10: is being interfered with and that's not good enough.
30:22
Speaker 3: You mentioned TikTok.
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Speaker 1: That's yet another area where the US and the UK,
30:26
Speaker 1: our like minded allies, are taking action, but Albanezi doesn't
30:30
Speaker 1: want to know about. He doesn't want to even be
30:31
Speaker 1: asked questions by journalists at press conferences, as we saw
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Speaker 1: on Thursday where he shut down a question.
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Speaker 3: James Patterson, thank you very much for joining us this evening.
30:42
Speaker 1: Now, pro Palestinian activists are openly displaying symbols of terrorism
30:48
Speaker 1: of Hamas and Hezbla on the streets in Victoria as
30:52
Speaker 1: they rally against Israel, in photos obtained by Alexei Dimitriardi.
30:57
Speaker 1: At the Australian activists over the weeks have been seen
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Speaker 1: wearing hamasa's distinctive emblem on their clothing. One of them
31:04
Speaker 1: is this well known protester, Mohammed Sharab, who stood just
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Speaker 1: meters from police.
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Speaker 3: Now.
31:11
Speaker 1: He is a regular speaker at these rallies in Melbourne, CBD,
31:15
Speaker 1: and it's alleged that he's one of four people who
31:18
Speaker 1: kidnapped and violently assaulted a thirty one year old Melbourne
31:21
Speaker 1: man in February. That story we have been covering on
31:25
Speaker 1: this show. Now, these terrorist emblems that are being worn
31:29
Speaker 1: were outlawed in the Criminal Code in January, and yet
31:33
Speaker 1: nothing is being done to enforce criminal penalties. Police and
31:38
Speaker 1: government simply turning a blind eye. Let's bring in now
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Speaker 1: the Executive Council of Australian Jury co CEO Alex Rifchin.
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Speaker 3: Alex, good to see you again.
31:49
Speaker 1: What do you think about this inaction to actually enforce
31:52
Speaker 1: new laws by our authorities and how is.
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Speaker 3: It actually emboldening extremists.
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Speaker 15: I think it's shameful show. I mean, we are a
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Speaker 15: nation of laws and as you rightly pointed out, Hamas
32:05
Speaker 15: and Hezbelah were prescribed in full as terrorist organizations in
32:09
Speaker 15: this country. It is unlawful, it is contrary to our
32:13
Speaker 15: criminal provisions to show public support for these organizations. And
32:17
Speaker 15: there's a very good reason why we have these laws
32:19
Speaker 15: because by brandishing their slogans and their paraphernalia in public,
32:24
Speaker 15: it glamorizes them, it normalizes them, it encourages people to
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Speaker 15: join these organizations and perhaps take up their violent extremist
32:32
Speaker 15: terrorist ideologies. So we need to see enforcement of laws
32:36
Speaker 15: and we've had for the past eight months. The laws,
32:39
Speaker 15: the legal tools there to prosecute people. It's simply a
32:42
Speaker 15: lack of political will to do so. And it's endangering
32:45
Speaker 15: our community, and it's endangering our society.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is absolutely part of the problem. When
32:51
Speaker 1: laws aren't inforced, it just encourages the behavior.
32:54
Speaker 3: No one gets the message that it's just not on. Now,
32:58
Speaker 3: I want to.
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Speaker 1: Turn to how Iran has in recent weeks welcomed the
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Speaker 1: university activists on campus globally or The Australian's columnist Chris
33:08
Speaker 1: Mitchell writes today that it's the media who continue to
33:12
Speaker 1: swallow Hermasa's lies. He says, and I'm quoting here much
33:15
Speaker 1: of the media, many university leaders, student protesters, and some
33:20
Speaker 1: of our politicians need to be held accountable for allowing
33:24
Speaker 1: themselves to be used in an Iranian sponsored propaganda war
33:28
Speaker 1: designed to entrench Islamic fundamentalism.
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Speaker 3: Alex, what do you think about the ignorance of.
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Speaker 1: This group, from students to politicians to journalists.
33:40
Speaker 15: Well, I agree with those sentiments entirely. I mean, the media,
33:43
Speaker 15: particularly in this country or sections of it, have a
33:47
Speaker 15: great deal to answer for. From the very beginning of
33:49
Speaker 15: this war. They have quoted uncritically Hummas propaganda as their
33:53
Speaker 15: statistics for casualties in Gaza. They have launded what is
33:59
Speaker 15: effectively a band of rapists and murderers and thugs into resistors.
34:04
Speaker 15: They call people who relentlessly docs and harass and intimidate
34:07
Speaker 15: Jewish Australians as peace activists. You have a situation where
34:11
Speaker 15: it's becoming more and more normal to describe Israel, which
34:14
Speaker 15: is only democracy in the least, as an apartheid state,
34:17
Speaker 15: to describe their just war against a terrorist organization as
34:20
Speaker 15: a genocide, and there has to be reckoning. We are
34:23
Speaker 15: seeing a situation where this information is being spread at
34:26
Speaker 15: levels that we've not seen before, and it's leading to
34:30
Speaker 15: a fracturing of our social cohesion, threats and intimidation of
34:33
Speaker 15: our community. And this really has to stop.
34:37
Speaker 3: I mean, we talk and you just refer to it.
34:39
Speaker 1: They you know this this moral confusion or how everything
34:42
Speaker 1: seems to be turned upside down at the moment when
34:45
Speaker 1: it comes to the moral compass, particularly among the left.
34:50
Speaker 1: Well a Nobel Prize winner hert and Marla, has written
34:53
Speaker 1: about this brilliantly, and she says that she's a polled
34:56
Speaker 1: that young people students in the West are so confused
35:00
Speaker 1: that they are no longer aware of their freedom that
35:03
Speaker 1: they have apparently lost the ability to distinguish between democracy
35:08
Speaker 1: and dictatorship. I mean, don't you think we are seeing
35:11
Speaker 1: that across the board now? And just last week when
35:15
Speaker 1: Israel bravely rescued the four hostages. You know, people couldn't
35:20
Speaker 1: come out like Penny One, couldn't come out and openly celebrate.
35:24
Speaker 3: That for the good news that it is.
35:28
Speaker 15: I think in some ways I would actually disagree with
35:31
Speaker 15: the quote that you read. I think the sentiment of
35:34
Speaker 15: it is entirely correct, but I think that people actually
35:38
Speaker 15: can tell the difference quite clearly between right and wrong,
35:41
Speaker 15: between a terrorist organization and a free state. What really
35:44
Speaker 15: disturbs me, what really concerns me for our society and
35:47
Speaker 15: for the future of this country, is the fact that
35:49
Speaker 15: it is so glaringly obvious what each side in the
35:53
Speaker 15: conflict stands for, what they represent, and yet a great
35:56
Speaker 15: number of people, particularly young people, are choosing the side
35:59
Speaker 15: of the evil. They are looking for the same image
36:02
Speaker 15: as show that you and I saw. They saw Noah Agamani,
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Speaker 15: one of the rescued hostages, being dragged away from a
36:08
Speaker 15: dance party on the back of a motorcycle to a
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Speaker 15: depraved captivity by a terrorist organization, and there are people
36:15
Speaker 15: among us who look at that same image and feel
36:17
Speaker 15: greater sympathy for the terrorist men than for the young
36:21
Speaker 15: woman being abducted in the most horrific circumstances imaginable. And
36:25
Speaker 15: it's that inability to actually sympathize with Israel merely because
36:30
Speaker 15: it is a Jewish homeland and represents Western values and
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Speaker 15: democracy and freedom and liberalism, and the preference for a
36:37
Speaker 15: terrorist organization siding with the Ayatolas and increasingly with neo
36:41
Speaker 15: Nazis that have flooded to the Propostitian cause. Yeah, this
36:45
Speaker 15: really troubles me about the future of our society.
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Speaker 3: I completely agree, Alex Rifchin. Thank you very much for
36:50
Speaker 3: your time.
36:51
Speaker 11: Thank you.
36:52
Speaker 1: Coming up the new polls that show alban Easy is
36:55
Speaker 1: on the nose with voters, but is it enough for Peter.
36:58
Speaker 3: Dutton to win the next election. I'll discuss this with
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Speaker 3: my political panel after the break.
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Speaker 1: Will Two new polls show that Australians are losing trust
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Speaker 1: in the Albanesi government.
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Speaker 3: Resolve Political Monitor shows.
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Speaker 1: That Labour's primary has fallen to twenty eight percent, while
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Speaker 1: the coalitions is sitting at thirty six.
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Speaker 3: The Herald reports at Labour's.
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Speaker 1: Primary is now at the lowest level since resolved polling
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Speaker 1: began three years ago. It's also the first time Dutton
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Speaker 1: has eclipsed Albanesi, only just in the poll as preferred
37:37
Speaker 1: PM and freshwater strategies. Research shows Albanzi has lost significant
37:42
Speaker 1: ground to Peter Dutton, just two percentage points ahead now
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Speaker 1: as preferred PM, and for the first time receiving a
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Speaker 1: lower approval rating than the opposition leader. Joining me now
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Speaker 1: former Labor Minister Graham Richardson and Scott Morrison's former Press
37:57
Speaker 1: secretary Andrew Carswell.
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Speaker 3: Rich So Andrew, good to see you.
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Speaker 1: Both now, Richo, a primary of twenty eight percent for labor,
38:06
Speaker 1: if you believe these figures, if they've got them right,
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Speaker 1: twenty eight percent is brutal for labor. Should your mate
38:12
Speaker 1: Albo be worried by these poles?
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Speaker 16: I think anybody he doesn't worry about a twenty eight
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Speaker 16: percent pole has got to be kidding himself. It is
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Speaker 16: a very poor result and it causes I think concern
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Speaker 16: for every labor supporter in the country.
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Speaker 1: I mean, the primary that labor got at the last
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Speaker 1: election was thirty three percent already that was historic lows,
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Speaker 1: but since then Albanezi. I mean he had a long honeymoon,
38:39
Speaker 1: but now the cost of living crisis, so many other scandals,
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Speaker 1: the detainees who've been released and are causing havoc. I mean,
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Speaker 1: all of this is now denting the view, the perception
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Speaker 1: in voters' minds about the prime minister's competence. I mean, Andrew,
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Speaker 1: do you think though, that Dutton is surging ahead in
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Speaker 1: to win the election?
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Speaker 11: Will Sharry?
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Speaker 14: It's an awfully hard road ahead for the coalition. The
39:08
Speaker 14: numbers are astronomical, but they are on the right track
39:12
Speaker 14: and Peter Dutton is putting every foot forward to put
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Speaker 14: himself in that position, and he's becoming a credible alternative
39:19
Speaker 14: to the prime ministership, or as you said before, he
39:21
Speaker 14: is the preferred prime minister at this point in time,
39:24
Speaker 14: which is remarkable. And it's remarkable considering that the Labor
39:28
Speaker 14: parties have spent the last two years saying that this
39:32
Speaker 14: bloke is unelectable, that he's unlikable, and they've convinced themselves
39:37
Speaker 14: of this narrative that no matter what happens in their
39:40
Speaker 14: own government or the scandals, the negativity, the stumbles that
39:45
Speaker 14: they have in the back of their minds, they're thinking,
39:47
Speaker 14: but at least we're not Peter Duton. At least we're
39:50
Speaker 14: electable and he's not electable. And they've convinced themselves of
39:53
Speaker 14: this narrative. The Australian people are seeing another side to
39:57
Speaker 14: this because Peter Dutton is speaking sin to situations where
40:02
Speaker 14: people are being frustrated cost of living, energy prices, immigration, crime.
40:08
Speaker 14: He's speaking sense in all those areas and the Labor
40:11
Speaker 14: Party have vacated the field on these issues.
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Speaker 1: I mean Labor Party thought Tony Abbott was unelectable. They
40:17
Speaker 1: thought Scott Morrison was unelectable. In twenty nineteen, they thought
40:21
Speaker 1: Darton was unelectable.
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Speaker 3: Richo, what do you think?
40:23
Speaker 1: Do you think voters are starting to have a second
40:26
Speaker 1: look at Peter Darton and thinking, oh, maybe he is
40:29
Speaker 1: Prime ministerial material.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I think there's some truth in that. I think
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Speaker 16: Dutton's been doing very well. He's certainly picking the right
40:38
Speaker 16: issues to speak on and I think he's just you know,
40:43
Speaker 16: burrowing away underneath the government and I think undermining them.
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Speaker 11: I think he's doing pretty well now.
40:50
Speaker 1: Leading economists are predicting that we're not going to have
40:53
Speaker 1: a rate cut until next year, and some economists like
40:57
Speaker 1: Warren Hogan say, there could even be not just one,
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Speaker 1: but two rate rises this year.
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Speaker 12: Have a look, why are you so insistent the Reserve
41:06
Speaker 12: Bank should raise rates once or twice more.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, it's not that I'm insistent.
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Speaker 17: I just think that's where we'll end up. I don't
41:12
Speaker 17: want to say a rate hike any more than the
41:13
Speaker 17: next person. But the inflation we've got in our economy
41:16
Speaker 17: is not going to go away on its own. The
41:18
Speaker 17: level of the cash rate at four point three five
41:21
Speaker 17: does not appear to be high enough to get it
41:23
Speaker 17: back down to target.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Richo, the prospect of another rate rise, maybe
41:28
Speaker 1: even two, is brutal for families already really struggling.
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Speaker 16: Oh yeah, that's a political disaster if that happens, you know.
41:39
Speaker 16: I mean, not every economist agrees. You never get economists
41:43
Speaker 16: degree in anything, but this is a pretty serious issue
41:48
Speaker 16: for labor and not something that they can dismiss. I mean,
41:52
Speaker 16: the more they see of Dunton, people like him, and
41:56
Speaker 16: I think labor expected the opposite to happen well, and
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Speaker 16: so labor are going to have to be very careful
42:04
Speaker 16: over the coming months, because you know, Dutton's just he
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Speaker 16: just keeps going Dutton. You can't stop it. And I
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Speaker 16: think he's doing particularly well and I think he's doing
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Speaker 16: much better than anyone in the Labor Party thought possible.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Andrew, I mean this is another reason why Labor
42:23
Speaker 1: will be unlikely to go to the polls this year
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Speaker 1: if rates go up and if the cost of living
42:28
Speaker 1: crisis gets worse than it is now. And you know,
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Speaker 1: I mean Labour says it stands for vulnerable Australians and
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Speaker 1: families are doing it tough.
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Speaker 14: They are doing it tough, shariot, and I think they've
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Speaker 14: moved from frustration to anger now because there isn't being
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Speaker 14: isn't enough being done to address that cost of living pressure.
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Speaker 14: Now the government have set themselves up here in a
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Speaker 14: very awkward manner, progressing to a potential.
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Speaker 11: Election last year, sorry latter this year.
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Speaker 14: They have made the gamble and the budget that in
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Speaker 14: flo will track down lower and therefore there will be
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Speaker 14: scope for the RBA to move on interest rates. That
43:05
Speaker 14: is no guarantee, and every day it has passed us
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Speaker 14: a budget is looking like the other way, so the
43:13
Speaker 14: more likely now we're looking at a May election. It
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Speaker 14: is an awful began to be considering December when cost
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Speaker 14: of living will only increase and there will be no
43:23
Speaker 14: prospect of a rate decrease.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you'd want to hope for the sake of
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Speaker 1: families out there that labor has got the cost of
43:31
Speaker 1: living under control by early next year at the very latest. Now,
43:35
Speaker 1: just quick last topic before you go, Rich, I've been
43:38
Speaker 1: speaking on the show tonight about Australian journalist Chang Lai
43:42
Speaker 1: and the bullying tactics that Chinese officials showed towards her today.
43:47
Speaker 1: What do you think about Alban Easy failing to properly
43:52
Speaker 1: condemn this today.
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Speaker 16: I think he could have said more and I think
43:57
Speaker 16: he should have. This is a serious you and I
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Speaker 16: think you know, China is the sort of great big
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Speaker 16: bully in the in the area, and unfortunately, because they're
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Speaker 16: a biggest trading partner, I think sometimes we're reluctant to
44:14
Speaker 16: stand up and go as hard as we should and
44:17
Speaker 16: in the case of in this case, we must go
44:20
Speaker 16: harder because I think this it's fundamental to what a
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Speaker 16: democracy like Australia stands for.
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Speaker 13: Mm.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, said Andrew. I mean the government you worked for.
44:31
Speaker 1: You were Press secretary to Scott Morrison, where you went
44:34
Speaker 1: very hard on China. Some would say too hard. You know,
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Speaker 1: what do you think about the current government's approach.
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Speaker 14: Well, I'll give them a tick for the economic side
44:47
Speaker 14: of it, that there is a huge advantage for the
44:50
Speaker 14: normalization of this relationship. But let's not fool ourselves here.
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Speaker 14: This is on the outside. This is a different China
44:56
Speaker 14: to the one that Morrison faced. There's not Yes, there's
44:59
Speaker 14: no longer that the the bullied boy pulpit. There's no
45:02
Speaker 14: longer the wolf warrior diplomacy that we're seeing. But we're
45:04
Speaker 14: still seeing belligerent acts from a belligerent from a belligerent
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Speaker 14: communist government. We're seeing acts against our navy, we're seeing
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Speaker 14: cyber warfare, and we're seeing what we saw today with
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Speaker 14: Chang Lai. We're seeing a different China, but completely completely
45:22
Speaker 14: different to the one that we had to do with
45:24
Speaker 14: in our government.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, all right, rich O Andrew Carswell, thank you
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Speaker 1: both very much. Now after the break, how Barack Obama
45:33
Speaker 1: stepped in to save a confused Joe Biden. Plus could
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Speaker 1: author JD vance b Trump's running mate the full details
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Speaker 1: with Koshergata next.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 1: Well, Donald Trump has revealed he's got a pretty good
45:50
Speaker 1: idea of who he choose as his running mate, and
45:53
Speaker 1: their speculation it could be Ohio Senator JD.
45:56
Speaker 3: Vance.
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Speaker 1: You might remember that he rose to fame as the
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Speaker 1: author of H'll Billy Elegy. Sky News contributor Koshagada joins me, now, Kosher,
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Speaker 1: good to see you look inside to say that JD.
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Speaker 3: Vance could be.
46:10
Speaker 1: The key to flipping working class Democrat voters in battleground states.
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Speaker 1: Do you think JD would be a good choice or
46:17
Speaker 1: I mean there are other political strategists who say Trump
46:20
Speaker 1: should be choosing a woman.
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Speaker 18: I think JD is a little bit of a double
46:27
Speaker 18: edged sword because he absolutely his appeal would be to
46:31
Speaker 18: that rust belt, those battleground states and the disaffected Democrat
46:35
Speaker 18: voters as well as Republican voters. I remember these estates
46:38
Speaker 18: are Trump won in twenty sixteen all by himself. So
46:40
Speaker 18: there is an argument to be me that he doesn't
46:43
Speaker 18: need somebody to shore up that because his constituency really
46:46
Speaker 18: naturally resonates with those folks. But then he lost them
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Speaker 18: in twenty twenty, and so that's really what the selection
46:51
Speaker 18: is going to turn. On the flip side, when I
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Speaker 18: say it's a double ed sword, is the jd Vance
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Speaker 18: is a Senator from Ohio, just into his first term
46:58
Speaker 18: over there, and the Senator right now in a fifty
47:00
Speaker 18: to fifty tie and effectively a Democrat majority with the
47:03
Speaker 18: tiebreaker vote from the Vice president. So many people are
47:06
Speaker 18: concerned that if he were to run, he would have
47:08
Speaker 18: to abdicate his Senate seat. And winning the Senate is
47:11
Speaker 18: almost as important as winning the White House for Republicans,
47:14
Speaker 18: if not more, And so that's going to be part
47:16
Speaker 18: of the calculus as well. I'm sure that the Trump
47:18
Speaker 18: team is considering.
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Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Joe Biden was caught in a daze or he
47:23
Speaker 1: seemed to be in a daze at an LA fundraiser
47:26
Speaker 1: and it seemed that former President Barack Obama stepped in
47:30
Speaker 1: to save him.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a look.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he was just standing there, not moving. There's
47:59
Speaker 1: so many moments like this. It's kind of hard for
48:02
Speaker 1: voters to ignore.
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Speaker 3: Isn't it.
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Speaker 18: Undeniably impossible to ignore? I would say, you have this,
48:09
Speaker 18: you have just what happened at the G seven summit
48:11
Speaker 18: last week, where Georgia Maloney had to sort of, you know,
48:14
Speaker 18: bring him back to attention. And you keep seeing is
48:16
Speaker 18: and we'll probably see only more of them, you know,
48:19
Speaker 18: in the few short months ahead before November fifth. There's
48:22
Speaker 18: another point too in this, because there was a fundraiser
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Speaker 18: that David Sachs, famous venture capitalist in Silicon Valley, held
48:29
Speaker 18: for Trump just a few days before this one, and
48:32
Speaker 18: I think he put out a tweet that said, at
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Speaker 18: a Trump fundraiser, trump is a draw card, and at
48:37
Speaker 18: a Biden fundraiser, everybody else is the draw card. Because
48:40
Speaker 18: they had Obama there, and they had Julia Roberts and
48:42
Speaker 18: George Clooney and Jimmy Kimmel. And I think that's really
48:45
Speaker 18: the perfect encapsulation of I think the two campaigns writ large,
48:48
Speaker 18: where you really see that one the draw, whether you
48:51
Speaker 18: love him or hate him, is the candidate himself and
48:53
Speaker 18: Trump and over here, just moments like these show that
48:56
Speaker 18: it really feels like he's sort of propped up by
48:58
Speaker 18: the apparatus ante.
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Speaker 1: This is indeed all right, Koshagada, that's all we've got
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Speaker 1: time for. I'll see you tomorrow at eight. Here's poor
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Speaker 1: Murray