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49ers beat Seahawks, Commanders absurd tie, Mike Ditka's legacy, Texans massive trade | 10.12 · The Right Time with Bomani Jones

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Right Time, presented by PrizePix.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Beaumont E.
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  Speaker 2: Jones.
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  Speaker 1: I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. We got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of football to talk about. We're also going
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  Speaker 1: to talk about Mike Ditka for a little bit. And
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  Speaker 1: somebody got traded, whatever his name is. But anyway... Seattle
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  Speaker 1: to San Francisco. Every week I've gotten on this show
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  Speaker 1: and told you about how I have not watched San
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  Speaker 1: Francisco actually play. Well, I watched them play this week, okay?
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  Speaker 1: I did. What a weird game. I guess that's the
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  Speaker 1: real theme from the whole weekend. It's kind of like low-key,
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  Speaker 1: every game was weird.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: If a game was normal, I didn't see it. And
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  Speaker 1: I did my little flip around. I had the games
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  Speaker 1: I locked in on, whatever. I did not see a
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  Speaker 1: great deal of normalcy. Ryan, I asked you before the
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  Speaker 1: show how many points off of turnovers there were In
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  Speaker 1: this game. And I want to be clear that the
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  Speaker 1: final score was 32 to 29. So that is 61 points.
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  Speaker 1: How many of them were off of turnovers?
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure. You tell me.
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  Speaker 1: 38. Yeah, this is real, like a low-key cloud card game, right?
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  Speaker 1: One of the things that was discussed coming into it
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  Speaker 1: was that apparently Mike McDonald was the Brock Purdy kryptonite.
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  Speaker 1: But the truth is, if he's the Brock Purdy kryptonite,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think people want to come to terms with
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  Speaker 1: what they're really saying, which is it's the Kyle Shanahan kryptonite.
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  Speaker 1: And for much of this game, that is exactly what
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  Speaker 1: it looked like. It looked like dropping back, nobody was open,
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  Speaker 1: dude's coming to get you, right? Like they had something
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  Speaker 1: figured out in that regard. On the other side was
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  Speaker 1: same Darnold. Now, again, I understand why so many people refuse,
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  Speaker 1: or they don't understand, they feel like I refuse to
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  Speaker 1: give Darnold credit for what he done better and the
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  Speaker 1: fact that they won a Super Bowl. And I am
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  Speaker 1: not going to give him credit because they won a
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You understand what I'm saying? Like, you heard
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  Speaker 1: that sentence. Him, they. It's different. It's different, okay? He
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  Speaker 1: was not good in this game. And you looked at it,
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  Speaker 1: and I was left with the thought, like it was
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  Speaker 1: a macro interesting thing about the NFL, which is the
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  Speaker 1: possibility that they are the two best teams in the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: which is on the board. Both obviously are clearly limited
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  Speaker 1: by the quarterbacks that they have. Now, that does not
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  Speaker 1: mean limited to the point that you can't win a
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, but limited nonetheless. That being said, Ryan, remember
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  Speaker 1: I always say about Brock Purdy, you may think he's
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  Speaker 1: a game manager. He obviously doesn't think of himself as
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  Speaker 1: a game manager. He thinks of himself as the guy
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  Speaker 1: that in the fourth quarter of this game that could
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  Speaker 1: go down there and win it for you. That's what
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  Speaker 1: he sees. That is what he did.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Bo, before we get too far, Mike Evans,
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  Speaker 3: Trayvon Diggs, hysterical interaction.
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  Speaker 1: Dude, Mike Evans, a man about whom I have hot
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  Speaker 1: takes that I will not offer right now. I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you later. I don't want to do it right now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't want to do it right now, but it's
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  Speaker 1: going to come up at some point. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: him and Keenan Allen, those two dudes look like balding brothers.
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  Speaker 1: They still holding on. He got his George Jefferson Calchocula
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  Speaker 1: shit up there in the front. You seen it?
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  Speaker 3: Not for me.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, that's fine. That's right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, if you did not see this, Mike Evans
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  Speaker 1: was talking back to Trayvon Diggs, and he said after
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  Speaker 1: the game he really didn't know who he was. So
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  Speaker 1: he grabbed him by the shoulder, turned him around to
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  Speaker 1: see his name on his back so he would know
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  Speaker 1: who he was talking to. Trayvon Diggs, a former All-Pro.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine how offended and how humbling that was.
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  Speaker 1: Who are you anyway? Like, damn, you know, had a
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  Speaker 1: spark when you started, but now you just garbage. Damn,
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  Speaker 1: that was.
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  Speaker 3: That was tough. People, of course, compared it to the
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  Speaker 3: Great Change snatching incident.
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  Speaker 1: <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>
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  Speaker 1: I would.
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  Speaker 3: Be remiss if I did not.
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  Speaker 1: <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL> <HAL>
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  Speaker 1: That's not the same thing at all. This was highly disrespectful,
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  Speaker 1: but he didn't rip his shirt off of him to
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  Speaker 1: look at his name. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: Come on, guys. Some things are sacred. You understand what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying? Mike Evans and Aqib Tlaib are not the
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  Speaker 1: same person. Although, Mike Evans is from Galveston. Be careful.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, shout out to Brandon Cooks, a.k.a. the
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  Speaker 1: Immaculate Grid All-Star. I don't know how many of you
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  Speaker 1: guys play Immaculate Grid. Ryan, you play Immaculate Grid?
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  Speaker 3: Every once in a while.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so people who don't know how Immaculate Grid works,
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  Speaker 1: Immaculate Grid, the most simple rendering of it is you
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  Speaker 1: get a three-by-three matrix, and on each axis, it'll be
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  Speaker 1: three different things. So it'll be... Three teams on the
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  Speaker 1: vertical axis, three teams on the horizontal axis. So say
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  Speaker 1: that the first one is the Rams and the second
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  Speaker 1: one is the Patriots. They want a player that played
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  Speaker 1: for both the Rams and the Patriots. I said that
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  Speaker 1: because Brandon Cooks. So let's say that he gave you
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  Speaker 1: the Rams and then it went down to the Saints.
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  Speaker 1: Who could you put in the square, right?
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  Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Now, if it gave you the Rams and
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  Speaker 1: you took it down one more and you were then
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  Speaker 1: looking at the Texans.
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  Speaker 3: Brandon Cooks.
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  Speaker 1: Right. He is an immaculate grid all-star. This dude is
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  Speaker 1: always on a different team. He's always good enough to
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  Speaker 1: take on, but not good enough that anybody actually wants
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  Speaker 1: to keep him. He is now on team 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.
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  Speaker 3: 2010 draft 2014 oh wow so he's so he's only
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  Speaker 3: been in the league oh yeah it's just seven i
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  Speaker 3: mean this is year 13 13 okay i'm here 13
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  Speaker 3: but this is this is seven teams he's like he
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  Speaker 3: you know what he i.
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  Speaker 1: Give what he's doing Why do jersey swaps when you
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  Speaker 1: can just get all the jerseys yourselves? His base meant
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  Speaker 1: just wall to wall, just all the different stuff down there, right?
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  Speaker 3: And he's done some repeat, you know, seven teams, and
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  Speaker 3: he's on that Josh Johnson. He's been on a couple
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  Speaker 3: teams twice.
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  Speaker 1: Well, no, no. The only one he's been on twice
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  Speaker 1: is yours.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: He went back to the Saints, but he's also a
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  Speaker 1: guy who was on the Patriots when they lost the
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  Speaker 1: Super Bowl and then went to the Rams, and he
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  Speaker 1: was on there when they lost the Super Bowl to
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots. He dabbles in some of that. Anyway, there
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  Speaker 1: he is now playing for the San Francisco 49ers, and
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  Speaker 1: they got that done. I don't feel like you come
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  Speaker 1: out of that game. If you're San Francisco, you feel
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  Speaker 1: good because it's a game that didn't really feel like
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  Speaker 1: you were going to win it, but you managed to
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  Speaker 1: win it. I did not come out of that feeling like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: these are really good teams. I felt like these are
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  Speaker 1: teams that have really good characteristics. I mean, because, hey, man,
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  Speaker 1: them dudes is carrying. Lumber. There was a lumber being wielded.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see they hit that Mustafa, put on Buddy
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  Speaker 1: in the second half? Oh, yeah. I told you. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that right now. Just that
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  Speaker 1: dude wields violence.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That is the way to put that out there. But
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  Speaker 1: I looked at that like, oh, these are teams somebody
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  Speaker 1: can get. Seattle, this is the second game that they've
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  Speaker 1: lost in part because it was the same Darnold situation.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that's a lot of turnovers for either side
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  Speaker 1: to have for us to be talking about a team
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  Speaker 1: that we, like, really, really feel good about. That being said, oh,
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  Speaker 1: and by the way, dude, I forget that Seattle probably
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  Speaker 1: wins that if Jackson Smith and Jigba doesn't drop that pass.
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  Speaker 1: Can't blame that one on Sam Darnold. He was right there,
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  Speaker 1: had the opportunity. That's where you get the game right there.
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  Speaker 1: Didn't make it happen. And then Cooper Cup almost got
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  Speaker 1: that first down, but you don't really want Sane to
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  Speaker 1: throw that ball short of the sticks like that under
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  Speaker 1: that circumstance, do you?
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no. That was... I'll tell you this, though.
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  Speaker 1: It was an entertaining game, though, and while there were mistakes,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't feel like... It didn't feel like cuckoo for
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  Speaker 1: Cocoa Puffs. Every other game felt cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs,
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  Speaker 1: just about. But before we get too far in this,
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  Speaker 1: I do want to say shout out to America's Lions,
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  Speaker 1: America's team, the Detroit Lions, for playing a little bit
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  Speaker 1: of defense in that game. Great offense through the first
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  Speaker 1: five weeks. And then I know it's Arizona, but shit,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't feel like last week they could stop the
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  Speaker 1: Arizona Wildcats. So watching them get it done against the
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  Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals, kudos, right? We got to praise them with
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  Speaker 1: the same tone y'all use to disrespect and poison and
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  Speaker 1: destroy my brothers. Should we go in chronological order, Ryan? Like,
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  Speaker 1: should we start with in the morning?
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  Speaker 3: It was a hilarious day from 9.30 to 11.30 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: Yo, the Eagles. The thing about the Eagles and the
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  Speaker 1: Jaguars was the Eagles– put up a hell of an effort.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how good of a performance that they
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  Speaker 1: put up. Did Jalen Hurts play well? Yeah, but what
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  Speaker 1: do you expect? You're down Barkley, you're down Lane Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: although I guess we can't say that anymore because he's
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  Speaker 1: never coming back home. Down Devontae Smith, you're playing in London,
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  Speaker 1: all of those things, and they held it together. Jalen
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  Speaker 1: Carter decided he was just going to be a monster.
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  Speaker 1: right yeah jaylen carter at least in the face has
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  Speaker 1: all the looks of what uh dominique foxworth says about
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  Speaker 1: defensive linemen right offensive linemen are in it because they
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  Speaker 1: love their friends defensive linemen are in it because they
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  Speaker 1: love their jobs they they love the opportunity that they
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  Speaker 1: have been given to wreak mayhem and that dude was
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  Speaker 1: flat out mayhem. The Eagles got down there, kicked a
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  Speaker 1: field goal with eight seconds left to win it. This
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  Speaker 1: is after the Jaguars had missed that extra point. And
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars had all these times that they couldn't just
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  Speaker 1: go for kicks because they were down a long snapper. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and they had a dude today, that dude, they had
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  Speaker 1: log snapping. He looked like he'd ever log snapped. I'll
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  Speaker 1: also say this. He looked like he was 55 years old.
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  Speaker 1: I can't remember his name. I think they said he
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  Speaker 1: went to Ohio state. That was an old looking dude.
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  Speaker 1: But anyway, there was never a world in which I imagined.
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  Speaker 1: that the Jaguars would get that kickoff with eight seconds
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  Speaker 1: left and run it for seven seconds and get a
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  Speaker 1: 50-something yard field goal. I can't imagine how much that
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  Speaker 1: hurts you, Eagles fans. Because you are about to have
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  Speaker 1: one of those we held the season together kind of wins.
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  Speaker 1: This one, you can't even, I don't even know who
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  Speaker 1: there is for you to really be mad at, right?
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  Speaker 1: You just lost. That was it. You just lost. Sirianni
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  Speaker 1: was about to look like a genius for not flying
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  Speaker 1: over there until Friday. Like, that's one of those that's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: that's why you're the coach. Because despite everything going wrong
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  Speaker 1: around you, you guys held it together under these circumstances.
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  Speaker 1: Way to go, fellas. Nope.
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  Speaker 4: Lost.
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  Speaker 2: Lost.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. But somehow I feel like they feel better
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  Speaker 1: about losing than the commandos feel about not losing. Certainly
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  Speaker 1: not winning.
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  Speaker 3: That felt like a loss.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. All right, so first of all, let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about this from the Giants' end of it. Jameis
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  Speaker 1: Winston was good in the second half of that game.
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  Speaker 1: In the rain, right? Brought this back. Got it where
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  Speaker 1: they needed to. It was a skedaddle that blew the
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  Speaker 1: game with the fumble at the end.
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  Speaker 2: But.
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  Speaker 1: Jameis Winston is your starter for the rest of the year,
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  Speaker 1: and I will point out, in fairness to him, this
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  Speaker 1: is the first time that he's going to have gotten
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  Speaker 1: this much regular action. Since 2019, we have seen guys
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  Speaker 1: like Geno Smith, for example, go from being what most
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  Speaker 1: of us thought was terrible to taking about a seven-year
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  Speaker 1: break and coming back and being an NFL quarterback. We
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  Speaker 1: saw Jameis in his first run be a better quarterback
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  Speaker 1: than we ever saw Geno Smith be in his first run.
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  Speaker 1: It is possible that Jameis gets this together, and he
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  Speaker 1: is great, and it's still going to be the Jameis experience. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this could turn out a little better than
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  Speaker 1: I had given it credit for being, and everybody needs
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  Speaker 1: to understand that. If J.J. McCarthy was capable of being
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  Speaker 1: a starting quarterback, you don't get him for a fifth-round pick.
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  Speaker 1: That just doesn't happen, right? Jameis is going to be
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  Speaker 1: the guy. They had it. The end of that game, however,
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  Speaker 1: for Washington, it is currently 10-12 Eastern Daylight Time as
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  Speaker 1: we are recording this. And I can't believe nobody's gotten
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  Speaker 1: fired yet.
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  Speaker 3: I just looked. I just double-checked. I was literally looking
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  Speaker 3: it up to make sure.
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  Speaker 1: I can't. I don't even.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can appropriately describe to you
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  Speaker 1: what happened for Washington, but the long of the short
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  Speaker 1: is they ran one play in 50-something seconds, a play
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  Speaker 1: that they did not have to run, and the only
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  Speaker 1: purpose the play ultimately served was making it impossible to
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  Speaker 1: run another play, which needed to be the field goal,
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  Speaker 1: to go ahead and win that game after they had
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  Speaker 1: gotten down the field. It was one of the most
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  Speaker 1: brain-dead endings where it is not often that something is
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  Speaker 1: truly a collective failure. Offensive coordinator shouldn't have called another play.
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  Speaker 1: Head coach should have overruled the offensive coordinator. quarterback should
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  Speaker 1: have overruled all of them. Like I remember once when
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  Speaker 1: Vic played for the Falcons, it was a thing once
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  Speaker 1: that he got into a press conference. They asked him
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  Speaker 1: what he did on some play. And he said, he,
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  Speaker 1: what did we do? He said, overcome coaching. And people
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  Speaker 1: were like, yo, you shouldn't talk about the coach like that.
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  Speaker 1: But it turned out that is when Jim, the young
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  Speaker 1: Jim Mora was the coach. And that was something they
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  Speaker 1: told them is that sometimes you're going to have to
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  Speaker 1: overcome coaching, right? Sometimes the coach is going to make
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  Speaker 1: some mistake and you're going to have to be the
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  Speaker 1: one to overcome it, which not incorrect. Jaden Daniels had
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  Speaker 1: to overcome coaching right there. And like I was watching
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  Speaker 1: on TV before we got out of here, my buddy
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  Speaker 1: Foxworth is talking about, you know, he's a third-year player.
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  Speaker 1: I think Foxworth is a little more on my team
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  Speaker 1: than this, than other people who have mentioned he's a
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  Speaker 1: third-year player. Jaden Daniels is a third-year player, but he's
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  Speaker 1: not a three-year-old. It's not the third year he's played
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  Speaker 1: football in total. He can count. You know this is not,
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  Speaker 1: like this isn't.
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  Speaker 3: The offensive coordinator can talk to Jaden.
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  Speaker 1: They were. They all, they were just out there just,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what they were doing, just shooting the shit,
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  Speaker 1: what they were talking about in the headset, listening to music.
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  Speaker 1: I have absolutely no idea what happened. But they, I
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  Speaker 1: can't imagine how bad that tie felt, right? Under the
• 14:42
  Speaker 1: heading of things people used to say but probably wouldn't say,
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to say while making a reference to
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  Speaker 1: what somebody else said. One time, this is back when
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  Speaker 1: ties were prominent in college football before they had overtime.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Michigan had a year where they went 8-0-3.
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  Speaker 1: They went undefeated, but they had three ties. And I
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  Speaker 1: forget who they had tied in that game. And Lee
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: Corso got on the bike and said, hey, they say
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  Speaker 1: that ties like kissing your sister, but losers like kissing
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  Speaker 1: your brother. I don't think that Washington sees the difference now.
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  Speaker 1: I think they view it all the same way, which,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, is the way that we should in
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  Speaker 1: a non-heteronormative world, I think. But, yeah, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: That was clown car. Clown car. I feel like I'm
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  Speaker 1: missing another clown car game. No, no, no. I think
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  Speaker 1: that's all. I mean, the Titans, do they count? Cleveland
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  Speaker 1: finally lost. That was looking kind of clown car. toward
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  Speaker 1: the end in that game. And then, of course, there
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  Speaker 1: is the most classic vintage clown car of them all,
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons. Oh, speaking of people getting fired, is
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  Speaker 1: anybody with the Chargers going to get fired today? Like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to, once you get to, oh, like, I
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  Speaker 1: was certain that Todd Bowles was going to get fired
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  Speaker 1: if they lost that game on Thursday night in Tampa,
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  Speaker 1: and they did not, right?
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  Speaker 2: Um....
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  Speaker 1: 0-5, somebody's got to go, right? I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: it's Mike McDaniels. I don't know if it's Harbaugh. Generally speaking,
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: somebody has to go because the Broncos changed play callers,
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: and it looked pretty much the same. At least I
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: could tell statistically speaking. Bo Nix looked mad familiar. The
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: problem does not seem to be who's calling the play.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: The problem seems to be who the guys are that
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: are on the field, and the Chargers still lost. Still
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: lost that game. Now you're sitting at 0-5. There's no
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: sign it's going to get better. I don't know how
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: far this necessarily has to go, but normally somebody gets
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: fired under these circumstances. Anyway, back to that black and
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: red clown car that is the Atlanta Falcons. I was
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: texting with our good buddy, Sean Hughes. during the game
• 16:56
  Speaker 1: for those of you who remember our buddy sean sean
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: is a falcons fan for reasons i don't quite understand
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: that's hilarious yeah yeah yeah yeah i can't remember he
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: gave me an explanation for why i just can't remember
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: it right now um so sean texts me and says
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: i don't i know i shouldn't but the falcons are
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: so fun this season and i'm hopeful brian i replied
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: to him I've been here trying to figure out how
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: they're going to lose this game. This game is a
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: game at home against the Baltimore Ravens with a backup quarterback.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I've been trying to figure out how they're going to
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: lose this game. And then at 11.39, I get the
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: text from Sean that says, they're doing it. And how
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: did they do it, Ryan? Quite honestly, the old-fashioned way. Yes.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: It just happened.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: The way they always do.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: It just happened. They just let Snoop Huntley beat them. Now,
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll say this. The value of a good
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: backup quarterback. Not necessarily a starting caliber guy, but a
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: guy that can come in and win a game for you, perhaps.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Especially if you're playing against the Falcons. Came in, marched
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: down the field on him. And then when it was
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: time to come back the other way, Michael Penix gets hurt.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: They got to bring Tua in for the overtime. Huntley
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: marches down the field on him again. And then Tua,
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: with one of them, Tua, a classic Tua Tug of
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Iowa interception, which is to say, I know exactly where
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I'm going with this ball before the snap and going
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: right there, except right there is a dude that played
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: for the other team. Right there. Right there. And you
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: know what, Ryan? I'm almost prepared to say despite that,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: since the Saints are 1-4, I know how much you
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: guys love to lose games to Minnesota. Well, no, you guys,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: one of the biggest wins in your history was against Minnesota, too.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: Sure was.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: That's right. With Brett Favre through that ridiculous interception.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: Hasn't been the same since. That was in January of 2010.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Boy, the Saints players seemed like they were extra motivated
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: in that game. Almost like there was like an incentive
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: structure in place that made them really want to go
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: out there and, you know, lay the hammer to Brett Favre.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Wonder what that was all about, huh? What do you think, right? Oh,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: it was a big game. It was the NFC Championship game.
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was an important game.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: That's all it was. You're right. But the Falcons can
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: still win that division. And Sean is right. They are fun.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: They are.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: They are. But Tua.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: Oh, boy. Tua had that one good game in the
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: Georgia Dolby, January of 2018, and it's been downhill ever since. Okay,
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I want to start by saying rest in peace to
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: Mike dicka i have spent i guess friday was it
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: friday the dicka passed friday or thursday i have spent
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: way more time than i expected since then thinking about
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: like mike dicka and what it is that i would
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: or might say about my dick on this show And
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: something really fascinating hit me. In most of the discussion
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: that I've seen about Ditka, the most I've seen online,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: the best that I've seen on television by and large,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: you know the part that I feel like we haven't
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: really talked about that much? Football. And the reason I
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: think that's interesting is because... There's an irony to the
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: magnitude of Mike Ditka's fame and why he matters so much.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And that is that he absolutely 100% presents or presented
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: as a man who placed substance before image. But that
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: was the image itself. And we, even in this moment,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: have not discussed the substance of Mike Ditka nearly as much, okay?
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: But the image was an image of substance. That's not
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: to say he wasn't a man of substance. I'm not
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: questioning what kind of man he was. I'm just talking
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: about us and what the importance is that Ditka has
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: overwhelmingly as a figure of sport and also of pop
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: culture and of media.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: So let's start with football as the world got to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: know Mike Ditka in the first place. And something I
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: think a lot of people, especially if they're younger, probably
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: aren't thinking about Ditka. Mike Diggins was the first tight
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: end to be voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: He was not simply a good player. He's a legitimately
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: revolutionary figure in the evolution of professional football. He is
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: the first great receiving tight end, right? Like he's almost
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: like wide receiver slash tight end for a lot of people.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: We saw some interview we talked about. We had something
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: like 15 catches his senior year. in college and had
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: 58 his first year in the NFL like Mike Ditka
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: 1961 is a thing in the annals of professional football
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: right moving toward the the tight ends that you see
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: now when you think about the Travis Kelsey's or whatever
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: the the beginning of that really is Mike Ditka it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: like Mike Ditka and it is John Mackey for the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Colts but like Ditka is a significant part of what
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: we're talking about here okay But that's not why people
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: really think of and remember Ditka. We think of and
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: remember Ditka as a football coach and as a legendary
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: football coach. But this is what's interesting about that for me.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: In the 80s, from, we'll start it for this, from
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: 1981 through 1988, there were Four teams from the NFC
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: who went to, let's take it to 1990, honestly, but
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: there were four teams in the NFC who went to
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. There were three coaches who are Hall
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: of Famers, and there were three coaches who won multiple
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Super Bowls in that run. And then there was Mike Ditka.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: He was the other one. Now, that being said, the
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Bears had a run, 85-88, where the Bears had the
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: best winning percentage over four seasons of any team in
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the history of the NFL. The 1985 Bears are a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: canonical team in the history of the NFL. But what
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: is interesting about that, that team is defined by its defense.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: which is Buddy Ryan's defense, Ditka is the offense guy.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Like Ditka, Ryan, you'll like this. Ditka's a lot like
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: Les Miles in two senses, right? One, Les Miles is
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: an offense guy that felt like a defense guy.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Definitely.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: And number two, say what you want about Les Miles.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: you knew what the personality of a Les Miles team
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: was going to be.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yes. Right?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Like, as a face of franchise guy or a face
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: of the operation, you know, as the man on the marquee, right?
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Chef Boyardee, whichever one you want to throw out there.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Les Miles is excellent at that part. Mike Ditka's the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: same thing for the Bears, but if you were to ask, like,
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: the defining characteristics of that run or those teams... Football wise,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: Ditka's kind of like a CEO type of coach. Like
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: he was the special teams guy when he was with
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Like there's also a certain irony to Ditka
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: in that we think of him as Bears guy, but
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: his greatest coaching influence is probably Tom Landry. Right. Because
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: that's the guy whose staff that he played under. We
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: think of Ditka as a Chicago guy. Ditka's not from Chicago.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Ditka's actually from Pittsburgh. But the way I always talk
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: about with James Harden, that James Harden his whole life
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: thought he was a LA dude, and then he got
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to Houston, it was like, shit. This fits me like
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a glove.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: That's Mike Ditka, right? And I think Ditka's people are
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: from Ukraine, but like an Eastern European... in the center
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: of Eastern European life in the United States, and at
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: a time where, because cities and things were a bit
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: more siloed off, the personality of each individual city, at
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: least I find, you tell me if I'm wrong, because
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I don't consume this stuff nearly as much, but whether
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: it be TV or movies or all of these things,
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: cities were characters in the previous time in a way
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: that I don't feel like they are now.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Right. Like every Woody Allen movie is about New York,
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: for example, like a character in that sense. But there
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: was a picture and a portrait or an idea of
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: what Chicago was. And I push back a little bit
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: when people talk about Ditka being like so representative of
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Chicago because, hey, all those black people. However, There is
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: a very particular Chicago element that Ditka himself became the
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: face of. Like the Saturday Night Live sketches with the
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: bears and that whole accent. All that stuff is very
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: definitively Chicago and the idea that Ditka is their hero
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Ditka gets there. Ditka's one of them. And Ditka just presents.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: This is what, like I always say, the thing, the
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: reason sports are so popular, man, sports are a celebration
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: of masculinity within a society. And say what you want
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: about Ditka. Ditka was giving you man, right? Like this
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is what a man is. And at that time, this
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: is what a football coach felt like. Dick is the
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: embodiment of that. But it's so interesting because the guys
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: of that era that were more successful, they weren't giving
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: you that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: No.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Parcells did to a degree. But even with Parcells that
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: we could point to like contributions, like football philosophies that
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Bill Parcells has, we can point to. That's not what
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: Dick gave you. Dick was giving everybody. was vibes, right?
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: Ditka felt like for the second largest city in America,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: though maybe it was third by that time, he felt
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: like the coach of the high school team. And I
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: mean that in a positive way, right? Like the guy
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that represented the town and like, you know, you can
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: just imagine him pulling up and everybody, hey, hey, coach, hey, coach,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: like all of those things, right? Like a tie back
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: to the time, he always taught, he called Coach Hallas,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: he called George Hallas, Coach Hallas, he called Tom Landry,
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Coach Landry, right? Like that era of the way that
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: we looked at coaches and the way that we saw people,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: he is a throwback to that ready-made for the era
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: of television. And it reminds me of what is Mike
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Ditka's greatest gift and the biggest reason that we talk
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: about him, which is what he projected was sincerity and
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: the idea of being a genuine person, And he did
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: that while pulling off a balance that very few people
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: ever do, which is he is a man who clearly
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: loved cameras and microphones, but never seemed desperate or thirsty
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: for them. You don't spend that much time on TV,
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: whether it be as the coach and doing press availability
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: and stuff, doing the Mike Ditka show in Chicago, right? Now,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: part of that also, to be fair, was those guys
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: who played back in the day, they take every check
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: you put in front of them because they did not
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: make that much money at that time, right? They believe
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: in getting that money after they have that chance. But
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: after Ditka left and he had all that money, Ditka
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was coming and doing ESPN and NBC and all these
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: shows and everything else.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: Movies, TV.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: All and commercials. Bill Walsh, those guys I just listed
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: for you, Bill Walsh wasn't doing commercials. Joe Gibbs wasn't
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: doing commercials. Don Shula wasn't out there doing a gang
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: of commercials. Not like Dickens. And what were Dickens' commercials? Rust-Oleum.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: You know, like, you know, that tough guy stuff. That man,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: and he's really good at it. Okay? Had a clear
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: and distinct look. wore things that other people wanted to wear.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Like when people make that argument about nobody was dressing
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: up like the other coaches, but they dressed up like Ditka.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Like Ditka's like John Madden in the sense that he
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: had a gift. for the television thing while never seeming
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: like he clamored for the camera. But when the camera
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: got there, he was always there and ready for it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: And that's the reason that Mike Ditka is an enduring
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: figure for us who grew up in that time. But
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: it's ironically not really about football. He's a Hall of
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Fame player. He wasn't a Hall of Fame coach. He's
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: not going to get in. Now, you can make an argument,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: why is Bill Cowher a Hall of Fame coach and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Mike Ditka is not? That to me is more of
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: a question about Bill Cowher than it is about Mike Ditka.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: It will lead to an awkward discussion about Mike Tomlin
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: down the line. But he's not. I don't think anybody
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: would get up. I mean, Dickie got this far. Nobody
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: sees him as that. But he felt like a football coach.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: He looked like a football coach. He sounded like a
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: football coach. And you basically believed that he meant every
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: word that he said. That's what it was about. the
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: image and the presentation and the projection of substance, but
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: in some ways that more so than the actual substance. Again,
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: not that he wasn't a man of substance, but the
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: football resume, not quite as substantial as you would think,
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: given what we talk about. Just about every coach that
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: we talk about on a canonical level, has a better
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: resume than Mike Ditka does. None of this is shade
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to Mike Ditka. I want to be very, very clear, right?
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: None of this is any measure of like, I'm saying
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: he's overrated or anything like that. No, no, no, no.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just pointing out that honestly, deep down when it
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: comes to the way that we talk about coaches, the
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: things that we care about are not the football things themselves.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: It's kind of the elevated role that a coach plays
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: in a society, right? As a figure and a person
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: that you are here to respect. Ditka embodied that part.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: And it makes you look around and like the dudes
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: that we got that are coaches now, these football genius types.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sure that's great for business, but it's not as
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: great for the product. to be perfectly honest. Like, Sean McVay,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: Sean McVay's been doing that job now, I think this
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: is his 10th year. He's been to two Super Bowls.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: Great chance he ends up in the Hall of Fame.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: We all think about what a great coach. None of
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: us give a damn about him. Not any of us do. Like,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Rod and I were thinking about something, a series that
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: we might do, and I was thinking about this with
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the 1980s, that the 80s were such a big thing
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: for the NFL, because, yeah, you had the 70s with
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys and the Steelers, you know, the Your teams
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: in the 70s, Cowboys, the Steelers, the Dolphins, the Vikings, right?
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Like these are teams that all went to three or
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: more Super Bowls, had a dynastic sort of feel, you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: through their run and everything else. What the 80s gave
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: the NFL was very good to great teams with very
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: important figures in New York, Washington, Chicago, Both Los Angeles
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: teams mattered at that point. Through the middle of the 80s,
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the Cowboys still mattered. You still had Don Shula in Miami,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: but you had big markets. with teams that mattered a lot.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Like the heyday of the NFC East. Ryan, like I
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: realized that's where our age difference comes in. The NFC
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: East was the SEC of the NFL when I was
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: growing up. The NFC itself was its own like dominant world.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: The AFC had the quarterbacks. The NFC had the teams.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: But like I was talking to Goff about this, and
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of people in Chicago, including
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: guys on these teams that felt like they should have
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: won more Super Bowls than the one they won. Except
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: think about this. 85, the Bears won. 86, the Giants won. 87,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Washington won. 88, the 49ers won. Those are all like
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: dynastic feeling. The Giants a little bit less, but Washington
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: won three Super Bowls. Between 82 and 91. The 49ers
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: won four Super Bowls in the 80s, right? The Bears,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: they just got to one, but all these 14s, I'm
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: talking about playing the same conference. So like saying that
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Dick only won one Super Bowl isn't an insult. It's
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: just that the resume doesn't stack up. But in terms
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: of your life and you as a fan of watching this,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: who matters more, Bill Walsh or Mike Ditka? Who matters
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: more if you did not live in Washington? Joe Gibbs
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: or Mike Ditka? Who endures more? The answer was Ditka.
• 34:40
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  Speaker 3: Arizona Cardinals, has now been traded to Houston Texans, reunited
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: with his former college teammate, C.J. Stroud. Bo, what'd you
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: make of this move?
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, so for those of you who don't know, you
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: know who he's talking about. Marison. So young Marison will
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: now go to the Texas. I am shocked that the
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  Speaker 1: Cardinals were able to get, what was it, a two
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and a five?
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: I think it was a two and a six for
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: him and a seventh.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I could not believe that they could get a
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: two for him. He has been... So back in the day,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: disappointing receivers was just kind of like another day at
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: the office in the draft. It happened all the time.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: The growth, the growth, the learning curve for receivers used
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: to be so much steeper. Now they do a much
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: better job of getting guys who could come in and play.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: And this guy being the one who can't has been
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: shocking of all those Ohio State receivers prior to Jeremiah Smith.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Most of us would have argued that the best one
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: was this dude. And he has been bad. Now, you
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: also notice, Ryan, I don't know if you've seen this,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: there's been a bit of warring information coming out about
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: this one. The receiver side is like, man, he went
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: in there and asked them to get him a machine
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: to help him practice catching, and they wouldn't spend the
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: $ 50, 000 on it. And I don't know if that's why
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: he's been sorry, but okay. You showed me the graphic
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: of the top five picks that have been traded in
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: the first three years. None of them really turned out
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: to be good. after the fact. I think the closest
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: ones were like Joe Washington, but that was a trade
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: in like a contract dispute. Not like this.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: It's nothing recent.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, if a team is willing to give up on
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you at this point, the likelihood that you're good is
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: not that high. That being said, CJ Stroud has been
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: much better than he was when we saw him to
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: close out the year last year. He was not very
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: good the first game of the year, but numbers all
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: seem to indicate he's been all right as this year
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: has gone. Nico Collins has been hurt for much of
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: this year, but I've never been wild about their receivers.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: I feel like adding, you know what I'm saying, to
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: this receiver room is kind of saying both to the
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: receiver and the quarterback. All right, fellas, no excuses. You know,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: like I would be shocked if Stroud did not have
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: a level of involvement in them making this move. Like
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: you're just getting this guy from college. Who knows? Maybe
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: they hate each other. But I mean, I find it
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: unlikely that they would do this. without having some serious
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: conversation with the quarterback. And I would also imagine that
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: the receiver would probably look at it as a good
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: thing to go play with this guy that he used
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: to go with. But what we're saying is– okay, used
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: to go with sounded different than I meant for it to.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: But anyway, hey, man, 18 going to have to go
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: get the ball and seven going to have to get
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: it to him. I mean, I really think it comes
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: down to this because– The Texans are now 1-4. The
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: likelihood of them going to the playoffs is close to nonexistent. Yeah.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Let's get a look, though. Let's get a
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: look here. Okay. They get the Jaguars at home, which
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: I think is a winnable game.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Possible.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I mean, I just saw what it looked like with
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: the Jaguars' last game.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's in London.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're right, 9.30 a.m. You're right. They're going on
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to the bye week. The Giants, winnable. Chargers, winnable. Browns, winnable. Colts, winnable. Hey!
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: And you still probably get the Titans again?
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Well, the Titans are the last game of the year.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: It's Ravens, yeah, Steelers. commandos jaguars again the eagles who
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: might have quit by then um the packers and the
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: titans there's room here there's there's there's room here for
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: them to scrape in and make something happen in a
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: division where i don't think the cults are good i
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: know the titans aren't good and i am not I
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: can't believe the Jaguars won that game against the Eagles.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: And it's not in any way that makes you feel
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: good about the Jaguars is all I'm saying. Maybe they
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: think they can figure this out. I don't know. But
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: if he was as not good as he was before,
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: I don't feel like he's not going to play with
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: There's a possibility he was the worst wide receiver in
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: the NFL this year and last year.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And that's a wild thing to consider and a wild
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: thing to say. Hey, you ever, like, I don't know
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: how much this happens so much in the NFL. I
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: imagine it happens a bit. But I know that for
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: the college coaches, you know, it's not out of the
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: realm of possibility that you might have to deal with
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: their parents. You know what I'm saying? Like that time
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: that Diddy threw a weight at the strength coach. Right?
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that happens so much in the pros.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: You think that, you know, sometimes dad's calling the pros. Sometimes, Ryan,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you imagine that?
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: I bet it's happened before. I bet we saw it happen.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: So what would you do? What would you do? Like
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: if this receiver, if his dad, like, called up and
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: just said he wanted to have a chat.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Do I have caller ID?
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I mean– Something tells me that he calls from a
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: flip phone with an unidentified number on it.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: I throw that at my car.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. I mean, just like, but no, no, no,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: because if you don't pick up the phone, he's going
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: to pull up. So what do you think? Like, I
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: imagine that you take the call somewhere where everybody can
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: see you. You know, maybe you take it, you meet
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: him in the lobby at a Starbucks, somewhere well lit.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows, you know, high trafficked.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And, and, and, and, you know, stay on top
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: of your paperwork. You know what I'm saying? Like, like
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: that's what you gotta, you gotta, you gotta make sure
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: everything's lined up. You never know what could happen on
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: a given point. Let's talk about something else.
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: All right, Bo, let's get to our voicemails. Got some
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: more on this topic.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: Hey, what's up, bro? This is B from New Orleans,
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: and I'm catching up on episodes, and I think I'm
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: all caught up now. And in a previous Foxworth Thursday,
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: y'all was talking about some wide receiver. I didn't really
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: catch his name. He said he had no weaknesses, and
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: y'all seemed a little perplexed by that. And my question
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: to y'all is, you going to be the one to
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: put that he got weaknesses down on paper and have
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: to deal with his daddy? Yeah, because I feel it wouldn't.
• 44:54
  Speaker 4: So that might be why they said he had the weaknesses.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: But we see it. We see it.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: We saw what he did this Sunday. Anyway, y'all have
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: a good one, bro. See ya.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: You know, when you put it in those terms, maybe. Maybe.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Don't you want to talk about something else?
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: Oh, we're... We got one more on this topic.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Okay. Hey, Moe. It's Ron.
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: I'm watching this Houston Titans game, and I got a
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: question for you.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Who would win in a fight?
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: D'Amico Ryans or Robert Sullen? I love what you guys do.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a different discussion. That's a... Ooh. That's a...
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. I'd pay $ 75 to watch
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: that one.
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Are we talking about a fight
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: or a wrestling match? Because that sounds like a wrestling match. Or,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I guess they too old for this, an Oklahoma drill.
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: Oh, I guarantee you they don't think they're too old
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: for an Oklahoma drill.
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Ooh, ooh, that's a good question.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: Wow.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I can only imagine that
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Nick Saban's greatest regret is that he didn't take that
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: Alabama job earlier so that he could coach D'Amico Ryans.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: I bet he would have loved D'Amico Ryans.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Loved D'Amico Ryans so much.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Loved D'Amico Ryans.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: But Salah... Dude, that's a rumble right there. That's, how
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: do we make this happen? How do we get, see
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: the problem is Domingo too cool. He ain't gonna say
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: nothing to Salah like Liam said to Salah that one time.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: That's not, how do, ooh.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Those are two of the obvious one seeds for coaches
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: you wouldn't want to fight, correct?
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: They are. It's kind of like when Greg O and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Kevin Durant were in the same draft. I'm not talking
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: about how it turned out. I'm just talking about that draft.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: It was a clear number one and a clear number two.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin, right? It was a clear
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: number one and a clear number two. I'm going to
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: do a quick scan and see if there's anybody else.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel, he's a little older, though. I don't know
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: if he's still got the.
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: And he's been humbled.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. That's true. He's trying to get the dog
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: out of him. Ooh, hold on. Forgot about Dan Campbell.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: That's a one seed.
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: That's a.
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: I think those are our four ones.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Hold on. Let me make sure we're not missing anybody else.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Because we definitely have three. Vrabel... Yeah, I think Vrabel's
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: a tough one, but, yeah, he's probably in there as
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: a one seed. I'm going to tell you this now.
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: I'm not betting against Jim Harbaugh. I'm not betting on him,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: but I'm not betting against him.
• 47:46
  Speaker 3: That's a frisky three or four.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: No telling what can happen.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: All right, here's our next one.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Bomani, Ryan, love what y'all do. First, along the lines
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: of a popular topic, Desiree, Brittany, Katrina, three white women
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: I have met in the last three years who have
• 48:10
  Speaker 5: black names. I also wanted to ask a question. A
• 48:14
  Speaker 5: good friend of mine has taken to calling Caitlin Clark
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Jane Harden, as in a female version of James Harden,
• 48:25
  Speaker 5: and pointed out inefficiency in big games, etc., wanted to
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: get your take on whether we have a female version
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: of Mr.
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Harden in the W.
• 48:36
  Speaker 5: I love what you're doing. Thanks for the show.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: I listen every week.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: All right, so first of all, I don't think she's
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: good enough to be James Harden as of yet, but
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: you're chancing the fates with that one right there. Number two, Ryan,
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you picked up on this, but
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like, I think I told you about this,
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that there's a study that was done once that says
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: that basically once a neighborhood becomes 30% black, it will
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: soon be 100% black. Like once it turns 30% black,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: it is officially become a black neighborhood and the white
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: people hightail it up out of there. And when we
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: did game theory, I had a line about basketball where
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I said basketball is like the name Tyrone. Once black
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: people got a hold of it, white people ain't even
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: want to know more. um has that happened with the
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: name britney because he threw britney out there as a
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: black name and i was like how have have we
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: housed that one has that has that has that would
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: be transferred over to our side because there was a
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: run and i ain't gonna lie i kind of judged
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: some of y'all for this but it was a run
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: where black people were really getting off giving their kids
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: these white people names like these clueless type names right
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: like you start getting you know Well, the one I
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: was about to throw out there, Riley, apparently you're still
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: holding on to it. But I was going to say
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Riley is on the list.
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: You know, but I see you're standing your ground.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am. So, yeah.
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: Ryan just had a Riley, just so you understand.
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: For sure.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: But, you know, but like that was out there. You
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: get some Bailey's. out there every now and then. And
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: we've been getting on to Britney's. We've been there, but
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: I associate Britney as the pinnacle of white names. I
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: think of Britney as, wasn't one of the girl chipmunks
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: of Britney? Of the album of the chipmunks. That's... Yeah. Oh, wow.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: Thanks for making me feel old.
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: I'm aware of the original Chipmunks.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I know the Chipettes. That's what they were called. Yes.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: And yes, and I recall my recollection is that Brittany
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: was like the snobbiest of them all. Like that. Yeah, yeah. Brittany.
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: That's right. It was Brittany, it was Jeanette, and it
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: was Eleanor. That's right. I remember because Eleanor used to
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: kick it with Theodore. Which is interesting because Theodore was
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a different Roosevelt. Wow, we're just going all over the place. Anyway,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: if we got Brittany, all right, then it's ours.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: All right, here's our last one.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: Hey, Bo, how's it going?
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: This is Kyle coming in right outside of one of
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: your favorite cities, Youngstown, Ohio. Wanted to share a story
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: with you. Just got done hearing your podcast with Joel
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: where you mentioned how Jerry Rice did not go to college.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Mississippi City or Ole Miss and it reminded me of
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: a story my dad's old boss had where he was
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: in the 80s at a trade show in Indiana and
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: these guys were trying to give away some tickets to
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: a football game that day and no one was taking
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: the tickets and he couldn't understand why and this isn't
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: exactly the black name white guy story, but this is
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: the four white guys ended up taking the college football
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: tickets to the first ever Circle City Classic, which was
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: between Grambling State and Mississippi Valley State. And they got
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: there and looked around and were like, oh, are we
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: at a place that we're not accustomed to? They didn't
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: exactly know what to do, but then some Mississippi Valley
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: State fan came over and said, you guys can't leave.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: You're going to miss Worldman. And they're like, who is Worldman?
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: And they explained to him that there's this guy on
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: the team they call Worldman because the things that this
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: guy does are out of this world. That guy would
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: be one Jerry Rice, who they ended up staying for
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: the game, which turned out to be a 48-36 loss.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Mississippi Valley State win where Jerry Rice had eight catches,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: 174 yards, and two touchdowns, including a 62-yard game-winning touchdown late.
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: He says to this day it's been the best game
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: that he's ever been to. and that could possibly be
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: because he is a Brown season ticket holder as well.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: But love the show, and would also want to know
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: if he's interested in hearing a story about a guy
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: whose legal name is Alabama.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: Thanks. I'm offended that you even thought you had to ask.
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: Of course I want to know about a guy whose
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: legal name is Alabama. I want to know if that
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: dude went out there and tailgated, right? Because let me
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: tell you something, here's the thing. My daddy talked about this.
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: My daddy worked at Mississippi Valley State for a little while.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: My daddy's from a little town called Oakdale, Louisiana, so
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: familiarity with the Deep South is not beyond him. And
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: he's like, hey, man, all these places are the same,
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: but the Delta's different. Like, getting your introduction to negritude
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: being pulled up on a Mississippi Valley State game is,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: that's an interesting way to get accustomed. I want to hear,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: did he get his tailgate on? You know what I'm saying?
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: This is how you know Jerry Rice is cold. That
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: white man didn't even say nothing about the band. You know,
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: he didn't even come out of there being like, oh,
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: my God. Dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dun. Never heard that song before, but.
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