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Liz Gordon: Education researcher on the cancellation of Gloriavale school's licence · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: Gloriaville's School will shut down from January next year. It
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  Speaker 1: has failed two Education Review Office audits and in July
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  Speaker 1: was found to be physically and emotionally unsafe space for students.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Gordon is an educational researcher and she joins me. Now,
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  Speaker 1: good morning, Liza On. This has been a long time coming,
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  Speaker 1: hasn't it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've been calling for a closure of the
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  Speaker 2: school for fifteen years.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So will the children be allowed to be homeschooled
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  Speaker 1: or part of Takura or are they losing the ability
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  Speaker 1: to do that as well?
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  Speaker 2: Well. Everybody has the right to an education in New
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  Speaker 2: Zealand and it's up to the Ministry of Education to
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  Speaker 2: ensure that they get a different one. But it's more
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  Speaker 2: complicated than that too, because these children have been educated
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  Speaker 2: for years in our fundamentaler's Christian beliefs. There was a
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  Speaker 2: private school and they were taught their own curriculum. They
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  Speaker 2: were taught that girls must submit themselves to their husbands,
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  Speaker 2: that their own new role was to leave school at
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  Speaker 2: fifteen and to serve the community and to serve their
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  Speaker 2: husbands and have as many babies as possible. The men
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  Speaker 2: were taught that their job was on the farms and
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  Speaker 2: to again to serve the community. There was sexual abuse,
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  Speaker 2: there was violence, you know that there. So it's not
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  Speaker 2: just a matter of continuing their education, having examine place
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  Speaker 2: to resolve all the past issues and the and and
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  Speaker 2: give these children some human rights and.
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  Speaker 1: What so, what is the best outcome for these children.
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  Speaker 2: They should go to it. They should go to an
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  Speaker 2: ordinary school. But I think get you see, they Gloria
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  Speaker 2: Vale built a big school. It was a private school
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  Speaker 2: so got subsidies from from the tax player for many
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  Speaker 2: years and it built out of that a big school
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  Speaker 2: which is sitting there on the grounds. And my own
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  Speaker 2: view is that the ministry should in the interim negotiate
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  Speaker 2: to put in a group a number of professional teachers,
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  Speaker 2: bring them to the community and have the kids taught there.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's not the ideal situation, but the nearest school
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  Speaker 2: is all good. Half recorders are an now away. There
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  Speaker 2: is another one a bit further away from that. They're
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  Speaker 2: both very small schools. I don't think that to kurna
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  Speaker 2: education where children get papers through the mail is going
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  Speaker 2: to cut it. Well, not through the male Now it's
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  Speaker 2: it's online, but I don't think that's going to cut it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think homeschooling is going to cut it, because
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  Speaker 2: the parents of those children were also brought up in
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  Speaker 2: their ideology and have no other focus for educating them,
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  Speaker 2: and so it's just going to continues the abuse of
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  Speaker 2: education un less than some sort of intervention.
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  Speaker 1: As the public schools that are around them, would they
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  Speaker 1: be resourced well enough to support a transition like this
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  Speaker 1: to have these children come from Gloriaville into their schools.
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  Speaker 2: So the new classrooms two hundred and twenty four I
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  Speaker 2: believe are children. So that's all nine or ten classrooms
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  Speaker 2: that those classrooms would need to be everything from year
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  Speaker 2: one right up to year thirteen. And of course the
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  Speaker 2: answer is no. Well, I think it was more from
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  Speaker 2: double size of the post of schools. So it's awfully
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  Speaker 2: late in the year. Yes, it is awfully late in
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  Speaker 2: the year for two hundred and twenty four abused children
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  Speaker 2: to get a decent education in twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 1: Three, and as you point out, very complicated, quite a
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  Speaker 1: complex situation to try and fix there. Thank you so much, Liz,
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  Speaker 1: really appreciate your thoughts. This morning. For more from Early
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