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Husband's Art Fraud Connected to Anna Walshe Disappearance? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Delay Delay, Delay, a defense
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Speaker 1: attorney's best friend. I'm talking about Brian Walsh, remember that name.
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Speaker 1: Brian Walsh is charged in the murder of his wife, Anna,
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Speaker 1: the mother of his children. If you'll recall, her body
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Speaker 1: has never been found. Brian Walsh claimed that his gorgeous
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Speaker 1: young wife left on a weekend, a holiday weekend, to
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Speaker 1: go back to work, headed for the airport. Well, that
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Speaker 1: didn't happen. Brian Walsh now charged with Anna's murder, even though,
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Speaker 1: as I said, her body hasn't been found. But in
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Speaker 1: the last hours, Brian Walsh back in court. He's had
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Speaker 1: his first hearing in some time regarding the murder of
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Speaker 1: his wife Anna. His also in federal court appealing a
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Speaker 1: sentence recently handed down over art fraud. While in court
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Speaker 1: in Norfolk Superior Court in Massachusetts, lawyers for both sides
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Speaker 1: decided that the defense states to quote catch up on
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Speaker 1: the evidence in the murder case. Translation, they're not ready.
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Speaker 1: But what does art fraud have to do with the
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Speaker 1: murder of Anna Walsh and the possible dismemberment of her body.
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being
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Speaker 1: with us as you will recall Brian Walsh, accused of
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Speaker 1: murdering his wife New Year's Day twenty twenty three and
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Speaker 1: lying about where she went. He was just sentenced in
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Speaker 1: Boston's Federal Court in a separate art fraud case. Now
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Speaker 1: the judge sentenced Brian Walsh to thirty seven months at
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Speaker 1: over three years on each arn't fraud to runking currently
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Speaker 1: or at the same time. That jail sentence will also
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Speaker 1: run concurrently to any state sentence he may get and
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Speaker 1: the murder of his wife. Let me jog your memory
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Speaker 1: regarding the murder of Anna Walsh. What exactly happened? Glamorous, elegant,
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Speaker 1: I could speak several languages, had traveled abroad. Just a
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Speaker 1: beautiful woman and a loving mother. I Meancy Grace. This
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and series XM one eleven. Friends and
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Speaker 1: family or stunned when Anna disappears after a New Year's
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Speaker 1: Eve party, listen.
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Speaker 2: New Tonight Police are asking the public to help them
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Speaker 2: find a cohaset Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without
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Speaker 2: a trace on New Year's Day. Thirty nine year old
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Speaker 2: Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning, she was
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Speaker 2: supposed to take a flight from Logan to DC, where
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Speaker 2: she worked during the week, but there's no record of
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Speaker 2: her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports
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Speaker 2: that she took a ride share, but investigators haven't been
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Speaker 2: able to confirm that.
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Speaker 3: Three days after she was seen leaving her home with
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Speaker 3: bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.
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Speaker 4: We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride
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Speaker 4: share in Cohacit. We confurther, we have confirmed with the
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Speaker 4: Alnes and that's been a challenge that she did not
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Speaker 4: board a plane this week.
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Speaker 3: Police say her phone has been off and there has
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Speaker 3: been no activity on her credit or debit cards.
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Speaker 5: Just a loving wife and mother Dave. She always says,
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Speaker 5: three beautiful boys, three bautical boys.
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Speaker 6: So she loves so much.
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Speaker 1: Too, little boys wondering where is mommy? You were hearing
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Speaker 1: our friends at wpr I and WUSA, So where's Anna now?
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Speaker 1: I had to take that exact flight very often, and
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Speaker 1: between New York and Boston and DC, it's almost a
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Speaker 1: triangle of hourly flights with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of what we know right now, but
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Speaker 1: first I'm going to go to Bob Ward, reporter for
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Speaker 1: Boston twenty five News. You can find him at Twitter
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Speaker 1: at b Ward three. Bob, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Could you just verbalize that a little bit better than
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Speaker 1: I did. I mean, I know, out of in New York,
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Speaker 1: I would very often have to race from Court TV
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Speaker 1: to get to the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia, a
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Speaker 1: different terminal than the main LaGuardia terminal, because they had
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Speaker 1: hourly flights not only to Atlanta, but to DC where
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Speaker 1: I would go to shoot Larry King. And believe it
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Speaker 1: or not, they were so regular, almost like a bus.
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Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, I could be there within two hours
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Speaker 1: of leaving the studios in Manhattan. It was amazing. But
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Speaker 1: there's so many flights out of Logan to New York
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Speaker 1: and DC. That's a lot of investigation to find out
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Speaker 1: if she really did get on a plying right.
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Speaker 7: But you know, Nanthy, right from the very beginning, this
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Speaker 7: sounded odd because you're talking this was New Year's Day.
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Speaker 7: This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day.
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Speaker 7: She had a party at her house that went until
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Speaker 7: about one o'clock in the morning New Year's Eve into
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Speaker 7: New Year's Day. A mother of three who claimed there
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Speaker 7: was an emergency at her realty firm in Washington, d C.
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Speaker 1: Okay, well let me let me let's start right there.
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Speaker 1: Bob Ward is joining me from Boston twenty five knews.
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Speaker 1: I'm drinking out of the fireheiser from you, Bob Ward.
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Speaker 1: You're giving me so much information so quickly. So with
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Speaker 1: the three children. She was actually working in DC, living
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Speaker 1: right in the Boston area. And what was her job
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Speaker 1: in DC? Was it a new job?
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Speaker 7: It was, it was a fairly new job. You know,
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Speaker 7: we're still trying to unpack some of this stuff. But
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Speaker 7: she had she had a job with an apartment down
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Speaker 7: in d C.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but what was her job in DC?
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Speaker 7: I'm not clear on what her job was. She was
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Speaker 7: not a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager.
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Speaker 1: That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold
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Speaker 1: on just a moment. We all know, about getting a
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Speaker 1: new job, you feel like you've got to do whatever
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Speaker 1: they want to make that great impression so they don't say, wow,
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Speaker 1: we've got her on six months probation. We're going to
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Speaker 1: can her. She's not doing a very good job. I mean,
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Speaker 1: David Stuttard is with me right now, guys, Now I
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Speaker 1: think of David stutter as a motorman, as an APD
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Speaker 1: Atlanta Police Department officer, but now he is a very
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Speaker 1: well known lawyer. David Stutterard, do you remember your first
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Speaker 1: day on the job as a cop? Absolutely?
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Speaker 8: I do, And it was a long, long time ago,
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Speaker 8: nineteen to eighty eight, And I do remember my first day,
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Speaker 8: and I was super excited, super enthusiastic, and just wanting
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Speaker 8: to get out and save the world.
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Speaker 1: And didn't want to screw anything up and land at
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Speaker 1: some desk assignment.
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Speaker 5: That's right.
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Speaker 8: We were on a very strict six month probationary period
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Speaker 8: when we first started there, and any infraction would cause
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Speaker 8: you some difficulty right quick. So to your point, absolutely,
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Speaker 8: I was willing to do whatever I needed to do
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Speaker 8: to get to that probationary career.
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Speaker 1: And then you put yourself through law skill. Can you
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Speaker 1: remember your first day working as a lawyer, like, man,
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Speaker 1: I'm going unscrew this up. This is nothing like being
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Speaker 1: a cop.
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Speaker 8: That's absolutely right, the same sort of feeling.
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Speaker 1: I mean. Karen Stark, you remember you would be with
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Speaker 1: me on the set at Court TV. Karen Stark is
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Speaker 1: with me, renowned psychologists joining us out of the Manhattan Jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: She's at Karenstark dot com, Karen with to see Karen.
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Speaker 1: You'd be with me on the set at Court TV,
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Speaker 1: and my stomach would be churning to figure out if
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Speaker 1: I can make that flight to get to Larry King's
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Speaker 1: studios in Washington to get on the air, you know,
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Speaker 1: and I would make it. I don't think I ever
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Speaker 1: did not make it. But when you've got a new gig,
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Speaker 1: you'll do anything. And if they told me, hey, you
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Speaker 1: got to fly to DC to be on tonight, I go, sure,
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Speaker 1: I can't wait. Just like this woman, they go, hey
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Speaker 1: you got to fly down to DC. We got an emergency.
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Speaker 1: I don't care if it's New Year's Day. And she
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Speaker 1: would hop that plane would do you agree with that?
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Speaker 9: I would agree with it, Nancy. And I remember those
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Speaker 9: days like it was yesterday, and you were always doing
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Speaker 9: above and beyond what.
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Speaker 1: You needed to do.
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Speaker 9: I used to watch Jo and Larry King because I
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Speaker 9: couldn't believe that you would make it, and you always
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Speaker 9: made it.
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Speaker 1: But what pressure. Yeah, there were a lot of white
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Speaker 1: knuckles in a cab trying to get to La Guardian Marine.
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Speaker 1: So we're hearing from Bob ward that something wasn't right,
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Speaker 1: but yet it was a new job, so people talked
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Speaker 1: it off, well, you know, she's proving herself. But then
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Speaker 1: things even went more sideways. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at Boston twenty five.
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Speaker 10: A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how
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Speaker 10: the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting
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Speaker 10: a well being check was made on January fourth by
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Speaker 10: a man who identified himself as the head of security
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Speaker 10: at Honnor Walsh's employer in DC, Kishman Spyer. The log
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Speaker 10: says Tishman's buy er contacted husband Brian Walsh before he
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Speaker 10: reported his wife missing. It explains that he told police
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Speaker 10: on a left for DC and he hadn't heard from
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Speaker 10: her since. According to the log, on his phone last
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Speaker 10: pied on January twond at three fourteen am in Cohasset
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Speaker 10: and hit the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohasset, less
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Speaker 10: than a mile from the family's home.
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Speaker 1: Okay with me. Very well known PI private investigator Tom
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Speaker 1: Ruskin is with us. Ruskin is president of CMP Protective
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Speaker 1: and Investigative Group, Inc. Former NYPD investigator, and you can
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Speaker 1: find him at Cmpdashgroup dot com. Tom Ruskin, I don't
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Speaker 1: like it when it's your job calling to report you missing,
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Speaker 1: not your family.
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Speaker 6: Correct. I mean it distincts to the high heavens. It
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Speaker 6: really does not. To mention that it is a a
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Speaker 6: lot easier now than when I joined the force before
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Speaker 6: my colleague in nineteen eighty two, to check flight records,
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Speaker 6: to check TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only
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Speaker 6: a certain number of airlines that would fly between her
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Speaker 6: home and Washington, DC, And it's very easy for the
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Speaker 6: TSA and holy insecurity to go into those records now
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Speaker 6: and search for her name, her data, birth and see
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Speaker 6: if she A had a plane reservation, B did she
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Speaker 6: clear security with all the cameras that are in airports,
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Speaker 6: and C did she actually get on the flight?
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin, That's an excellent
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Speaker 1: point I hadn't even thought of, because I remember going
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Speaker 1: in your life at this stutter, going to the greyhound
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Speaker 1: bus station in inner city Atlantic trying to find out
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Speaker 1: if a particular woman who always into this day is
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Speaker 1: still a Jane Day by the way, who's murdered if
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Speaker 1: she had gotten off of a greyhound bus before she
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Speaker 1: was murdered by him. I believe to be a serial killer.
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Speaker 1: Don't worry. I got him on one one. He's still
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Speaker 1: in jail right now. Prison prison, not jail. But it
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Speaker 1: was so hard to do.
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Speaker 6: Tom, Nancy. You'll also remember when you ran from Court
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Speaker 6: TV to the Marine Air terminal at Laguardi Airport. You
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Speaker 6: used to be able to run through no maginetometers. You'd
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Speaker 6: run on the Delta flight or People's Express flight or
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Speaker 6: Eastern back then, and you just jump on the flight
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Speaker 6: with a random ticket that you could just say any hour.
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Speaker 6: Nowadays you can't do that.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What exactly was the art
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Speaker 1: fraud with which Brian Walsh is charged. It started when
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Speaker 1: a buyer saw two Andy Warhol paintings for sale on eBay.
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Speaker 1: That's really odd, isn't it. It's like seeing the Mona
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Speaker 1: Lisa on eBay uh Okay. The listing included photographs of
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Speaker 1: authentication stamps. Now, the buyer arranged to buy those paintings,
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Speaker 1: part of a Shadows series of Warhols, for eighty gram
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Speaker 1: But after having an assistant picked the paintings up, the
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Speaker 1: buyer finds out there were no authentication stamps and the
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Speaker 1: canvas looked new. That led to an FBI investigation. But
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Speaker 1: what does that have to do with murder? Did Anna
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Speaker 1: Waltz discover the art fraud? Whi's she going to testify
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Speaker 1: about the art fraud? Did Brian Wals murder Anna Waltz,
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Speaker 1: the mother of his children, over art fraud? Or was
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Speaker 1: it because as she was set to leave him? The
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Speaker 1: employer is reporting Anna missing, not her family. But listen
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Speaker 1: to this WBZ.
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Speaker 3: WBZ is obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left
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Speaker 3: by mister Walsh for one of Hona's friends. It's the
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Speaker 3: same day Anna was reported missing to police.
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Speaker 11: Said Brian Walsh. I hope all is going well. I
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Speaker 11: was just just reaching out to basically everybody I could.
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Speaker 11: Anna hasn't been in touch for a few days, you know,
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Speaker 11: anyone that might have that contact with her, just you know,
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Speaker 11: calling everyone. So I heard to bother you for everything. Fine.
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Speaker 1: So we do see the husband reaching out to her
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Speaker 1: friends and leaving voicemails for all of them, trying to
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Speaker 1: find out if they had heard from Anna and joining
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Speaker 1: me right now. Julie lewis President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc.
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Speaker 1: At Digitalmountain dot com. Julie, thank you for being with
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Speaker 1: us Tom Ruskin, the PI points out how much easier
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Speaker 1: it is to check flight records through TSA and even
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Speaker 1: getting subpoenas very quickly, or asking the carrier you know,
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Speaker 1: like Delta to check their records to find out if
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Speaker 1: somebody made a flight. So, according to police, she didn't
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Speaker 1: make that flight. But what Julie lewis about ride share, lift,
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Speaker 1: Uber and all the others digitally, wouldn't that leave a
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Speaker 1: trail if she had taken a right chair to the airport.
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Speaker 5: So you can certainly contact the custodian of records at
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Speaker 5: the ubers the lists and types of companies that she
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Speaker 5: would have taken a ride share and find out that
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Speaker 5: information with legal due process.
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Speaker 9: And see what you know, what the actual fact pattern
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Speaker 9: is there?
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Speaker 1: Well, what about her phone? I mean most people get
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Speaker 1: their right chair through their phone app.
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Speaker 5: If you have access to her yes, if you have
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Speaker 5: access to her phone, you knew the whereabouts of that phone.
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Speaker 5: You would have access to the app, but most of
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Speaker 5: that data would be stored in the cloud and pointing
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Speaker 5: up to the Uber application. Not it might not be
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Speaker 5: stored on the local phone.
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Speaker 8: So that's something to consider.
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Speaker 1: Got a question for you, Julie Lewis. If we don't
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Speaker 1: have her phone, but we do have her code, say
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Speaker 1: it like everybody else in America their birthday or their
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Speaker 1: children's birthday, and we have the code for her phone,
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Speaker 1: can we get into the iCloud that way?
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Speaker 5: Typically you would need the user name, you would need
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Speaker 5: a password for the accounts, and you would also if
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Speaker 5: they have Multifacturer authentication turned on the code from the
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Speaker 5: text message.
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Speaker 1: So a little harder than I thought. But you know
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Speaker 1: what we're talking about, her phone and where she Where
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Speaker 1: is the husband during all of this? Take to listen
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Speaker 1: our cut thirty five, I've Lynn b Lund talking kind
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Speaker 1: to indicate our January.
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Speaker 12: First at three pm he did some arns and which
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Speaker 12: was not his house and swamps, but lost because he
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Speaker 12: didn't have his farm. He said he know he was
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Speaker 12: lost when he saw a pirate ship one one defenders did.
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Speaker 12: Stayed fifteen minutes, then went.
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Speaker 1: To Whole Foods in CBS.
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Speaker 12: Savanah's has checked and he did not enter either at
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Speaker 12: those stores.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Bob Ward, Boston twenty five on this the disappearance
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Speaker 1: of Atto Walsh since the beginning saw a pirate ship
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Speaker 1: on route one what okay, no, wait a minute. Wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: so he says. The husband says he's going to visit
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Speaker 1: his mother and he gets lost on the way to
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Speaker 1: his mom's home, and when he sees a pirate ship,
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Speaker 1: he knows he's lost, but then goes into the whole
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Speaker 1: foods of CBS even though he's lost.
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Speaker 7: What the parnership is a landmark on the rout one area.
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Speaker 7: There's you know that area of Swampskit where his mother lives.
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Speaker 7: There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, that
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Speaker 7: sort of thing. And I think that's what it was
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Speaker 7: that he's talking about, was a landmark that he saw
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Speaker 7: that told him where he was. And he said he
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Speaker 7: got lost because he didn't have the GPS on his
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Speaker 7: phone with him because he's left it at home.
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Speaker 1: Karen Starr, I find that very unusual. I've told that
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Speaker 1: my twins is like the wizards and their wands and
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Speaker 1: Harry Potter, you don't go anywhere without it. Well, doesn't
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Speaker 1: make sense to me he didn't have a cell phone,
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Speaker 1: especially if he hasn't her from his wife, wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: keep your cell phone with you at that time? In
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Speaker 1: case she called brot RUPs, think about this.
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Speaker 9: Nancy how many people really leave home these days without
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Speaker 9: their phone.
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Speaker 1: It's it's improbable.
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Speaker 5: I have trouble.
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Speaker 9: Believing that he accidentally left it home and he knows
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Speaker 9: that he's being watched. It seems to me so he
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Speaker 9: intentionally left that phone home. I have no doubt about it.
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Speaker 9: He's the nefarious character. He knows exactly what he's doing.
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Speaker 1: In the search for Anna Walsh, local authorities find something
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Speaker 1: very unusual. Take a listen to our cut forty.
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Speaker 12: Data from the phone also tracked his whereaboats on January third.
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Speaker 12: Locations were traveled at four twenty seven on January third
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Speaker 12: from an impartment complex in Hambingen, so valiance shows the
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Speaker 12: defendant's bobo as well as a male fitting the defendant's appearance, Exeter.
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Speaker 1: Cob near the dumpster.
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Speaker 12: He walks to the dumpster carrying garbage bag he's leaning
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Speaker 12: and it appears to be heavy as he has to
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Speaker 12: it heft it into the dumpster. He walks to the
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Speaker 12: dumpster with the garbage bag and leaves it on full.
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Speaker 1: Forty eight.
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Speaker 12: He hit another complex in Avergon and at one pm.
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Speaker 12: Cell phone shows records at another pot in their broadtown.
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Speaker 12: Video shows of high and consistent with his appearance and
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Speaker 12: his global again he decided how you to skin the dumpster?
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Speaker 1: Bob Ward joining us from Boston twenty five on his disappearance.
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Speaker 1: From the very beginning, I don't have a problem with
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Speaker 1: my husband throwing trash out there in the dumpster outside
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Speaker 1: our house. But when he starts going from one dumpster
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Speaker 1: to the next dumpster, to the next dumpster to the
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Speaker 1: next dumpster, all in within a one hour period, that
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Speaker 1: concerns me. And you know who reminds me of and
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Speaker 1: you're gonna know this name very well. Jennifer Dulo's the
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Speaker 1: missing Connecticut mom of five. Remember her husband, Fotus Delos
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Speaker 1: and his mistress. They're going all around town dropping off
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Speaker 1: items and they're caught on surveillance video. Why is it,
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Speaker 1: Bob Ward, maybe you can shed some light on this.
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Speaker 1: Why is it that when a goes missing, her husband
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Speaker 1: suddenly turns into a knee nick and he has to
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Speaker 1: throw out the trash?
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Speaker 7: Good question, Nanty, I think you know the answer to that.
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Speaker 7: And that's the allegation here that the sadly that January
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Speaker 7: third incident that you just played the cut from the
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Speaker 7: dumpsters in the south Shore and Avington and Brockton. What
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Speaker 7: we're going to find out in court, that is, when
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Speaker 7: the remains of on A. Walsh are being discarded in
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Speaker 7: those dumpsters, those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator
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Speaker 7: in the south shore of Massachusetts, and within an hour
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Speaker 7: of those dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed.
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Speaker 7: Anna Walsh's remains have never been located, and the thought
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Speaker 7: is that they never will be because that's where those
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Speaker 7: bags were brought. The other trash bags that were recovered
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Speaker 7: in this case were brought to the north shore near
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Speaker 7: that pirate ship that we just talked about, and they
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Speaker 7: were not brought to an incinerator, but to a landfill
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Speaker 7: they were found. And it's so, I don't know if
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Speaker 7: I'm getting ahead of us, but inside those trash bags
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Speaker 7: is where the evidence, the incriminating evidence has been located
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Speaker 7: in this case.
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Speaker 1: Bob Ward, could you tell me everything you just said
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Speaker 1: one more time in very slowly?
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Speaker 8: Sure?
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Speaker 1: I think the gist is that very quickly after husband
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Speaker 1: Brian Walt visited these various dumpsters, the dumpsters were cleaned
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Speaker 1: out where the trash was picked up and taken some
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Speaker 1: to an incinerator and some to the pirate ship. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: hold on, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Karen Stark,
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Speaker 1: have you ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny
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Speaker 1: bit of truth into their big fat lie the pirate ship.
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Speaker 9: I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy,
21:51
Speaker 9: is because it's usually based on a hint of truth.
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Speaker 1: Right, Like no smoke without fire.
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Speaker 9: There's a little bit of smoke, but the rest that
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Speaker 9: they conjure up, and they're very adept at being able
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Speaker 9: to tell a lie that has a little bit of
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Speaker 9: truth in it, but a lot of Faucetod.
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Speaker 1: Did Brian Walsh murder his wife, Anna, the mother of
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Speaker 1: his children because she knew about more extensive arn't fraud?
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Speaker 1: Did that exist? Is that motive for murder? Or was
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Speaker 1: she murdered because she intended to leave Brian Walsh? What
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Speaker 1: more do we know about her murder? Okay, Bob Ward
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Speaker 1: joining me? Investigative Report of Boston twenty five, tell me
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Speaker 1: again what you just said.
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Speaker 7: So on January third, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors,
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Speaker 7: is recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into
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Speaker 7: dumpsters in the south shore of Boston, in the towns
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Speaker 7: of Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash
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Speaker 7: bags that he was struggling with to get into the
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Speaker 7: dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife, on A.
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Speaker 13: Walsh.
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Speaker 7: Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to
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Speaker 7: an incinerator in the South Shore. Within an hour of
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Speaker 7: those trash bags arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated
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Speaker 7: and converted into electricity, and Walsh's remains have never been found.
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Speaker 7: It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case.
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Speaker 7: The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did not,
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Speaker 7: allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in the
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Speaker 7: case on the South Shore. The allegation is that he
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Speaker 7: took his tools, the instruments that he used to dismember
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Speaker 7: his white's body, along with some of her clothes and belongings,
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Speaker 7: and put them in other trash bags and discarded those
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Speaker 7: things in dumpsters on the north shore of Boston near
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Speaker 7: his mother's house, near that pirate ship. Trash bags have
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Speaker 7: been recovered and those items are going to be an
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Speaker 7: important part of this case in this trial when it
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Speaker 7: takes place, and what do you believe Bob Ward were
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Speaker 7: in those trash bags in January. What we've been told
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Speaker 7: was that they found a hatchet, a hacksaw, they found
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Speaker 7: a bloody rug, they found Anna's product purse, they found
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Speaker 7: the boots that she was seen wearing at that New
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Speaker 7: Year's Eve party, and Nancy, they found her COVID nineteen card.
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Speaker 7: It's absolutely stunning what they found.
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Speaker 1: Joining me former APD Atlanta Police Department officer and now lawyer,
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Speaker 1: what rank did you get to started?
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Speaker 8: I left, there's an investigator, Nante's a homicide detective and
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Speaker 8: I left.
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Speaker 1: Okay, David, have you ever had a case without a body,
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Speaker 1: a homicide without a body?
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Speaker 8: Yes, I had.
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Speaker 1: Can I just say that's a tough pill to swallow?
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Speaker 8: It is unfortunately even in those cases. And this guy look,
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Speaker 8: you know, as a homicide detective, I would have been
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Speaker 8: looking at this guy immediately simply based on the fact
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Speaker 8: that his wife gets on an airplane. She's apparently overdue.
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Speaker 8: He hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after
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Speaker 8: he is contacted by her employer does he make an
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Speaker 8: outcry about his wife. That'll, I mean, my wife gets
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Speaker 8: on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard from her,
25:25
Speaker 8: a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down. I
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Speaker 8: get Frank, I mean, I'm calling every you know, trying
25:30
Speaker 8: to call her and call her. This guy has done nothing,
25:33
Speaker 8: but he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean, he's
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Speaker 8: going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know,
25:39
Speaker 8: and not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located,
25:41
Speaker 8: which to my point is, you know, even the most
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Speaker 8: careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's
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Speaker 8: almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of
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Speaker 8: forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a
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Speaker 8: mountain of it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, and could you here's another thing, Julie Lewis,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna circle back to you just a moment about
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Speaker 1: possible NAV systems on his car. But Tom Ruskin joining me,
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Speaker 1: and then I want Karen start to weigh in on
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Speaker 1: this as well. Tom Ruskin, guy's private investigator or extraordinary
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Speaker 1: president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group. Tom listen, I
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Speaker 1: don't like jewelry. I really don't like fancy clothes. I
26:28
Speaker 1: don't like fancy cars. But if you were to take
26:32
Speaker 1: let's just say this little ring right here, this is
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Speaker 1: made of my mother in law's jewelry. Okay, it's very thin,
26:43
Speaker 1: it's not be jeweled, but if you were to take that,
26:47
Speaker 1: I would come after you, all right. There are just
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Speaker 1: some things that would matter to me. And I've got
26:54
Speaker 1: a funny feeling this woman would not want her to
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Speaker 1: fancy boots at her product hers thrown.
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Speaker 6: Out, No, and it would be weird if she had
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Speaker 6: left and left for a business trip, if she didn't
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Speaker 6: take those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in
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Speaker 6: the house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely the
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Speaker 6: prime suspect, and probably we'll be convicted at trial. The
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Speaker 6: fact of the matter is, to the other gentleman's point,
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Speaker 6: you don't need a body anymore to prove a case.
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Speaker 1: It sure helps, though, man, come on, Ruskin, I mean, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you don't need a body. I'm not going to give
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Speaker 1: him a gold star for getting rid of the body.
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Speaker 1: And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing
27:38
Speaker 1: on the evidence that we have. But it's sure as
27:41
Speaker 1: heck helps if you do have a dead body to
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Speaker 1: prove a murder case.
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Speaker 6: But it also goes against him because we know that
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Speaker 6: he was in these yards. He was dumping stuff. What
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Speaker 6: is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His
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Speaker 6: pickup's not working at his house.
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Speaker 1: Karen starts, He's so right, and care Aaron. Again, I
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Speaker 1: threw this to Stuttard earlier, I think, but why do
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Speaker 1: guys turn into neat nicks as soon as their wives disappear?
28:09
Speaker 1: And again, like Stutdard said, and like Ruskin is saying
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Speaker 1: about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't check on his wife to see if she landed.
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Speaker 1: Her employer has to call looking for her. And then
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Speaker 1: he wants to take out the trash. Fine, do it
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Speaker 1: at the corner at the end of the driveway or
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Speaker 1: the trash ute in your apartment in Manhattan. But why
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Speaker 1: do you go to five or six different dumpsters? And
28:32
Speaker 1: because somebody just surprised me once and not throw bloody
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Speaker 1: rags and towels in a dumpster. Do something different?
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Speaker 9: What always happens, Nancy. He believes he's not going to
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Speaker 9: get caught, and this looks suspicious, so suspicious. I mean,
28:46
Speaker 9: he gets lost going to his mother.
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Speaker 1: He didn't get lost. He's trying to explain his circuitous
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Speaker 1: route from one dump to the next.
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Speaker 9: And also saying that he went to places where they
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Speaker 9: could check and he did not.
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Speaker 6: So, Nancy, can I jump in for one second, Yes,
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Speaker 6: I just want to bring well, to bring up the
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Speaker 6: fact this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband
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Speaker 6: has nothing to do with her murder. This is a
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Speaker 6: woman who's going to take a flight supposedly from Boston
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Speaker 6: to Washington on a business trip. Why is her phone off?
29:21
Speaker 6: No one that travels, myself, my loved ones, my family. Well,
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Speaker 6: we go to the airport, you shut off your phone
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Speaker 6: once you're on the flight, and you turn it on.
29:32
Speaker 6: To mister Stoddard's point once you land. Why is she
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Speaker 6: becoming lost, unsereptitious, or becoming covert in her actions, which
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Speaker 6: sort of deflies the logic of the husband.
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Speaker 1: Tom Ruskin, private Investigator, You're absolutely right. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: don't guess any of you people on this panel have
29:51
Speaker 1: read Don't Be a Victim written by Oh what's that
29:53
Speaker 1: girl's name? Oh, Nancy Grace. You're supposed to like take
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Speaker 1: a picture of when you're in the parking deck, which
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Speaker 1: I do and send in my family, and then when
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Speaker 1: I get them on the plane, I take a picture.
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Speaker 1: I'm on the plane and send to them. You don't
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Speaker 1: even have to write a text or write words, but
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Speaker 1: just let people know where you're going. Jack, I think
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Speaker 1: I've even sent them to you before. Yes I have. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: that's not the end of it. But I want to
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Speaker 1: ask Julie Louis something, President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie,
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Speaker 1: what about I like to just say on Star as
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Speaker 1: a blanket nav description, wouldn't his car show everywhere he
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Speaker 1: had been if it were, you know, anything older than
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Speaker 1: twenty ten.
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Speaker 5: So before I jump into that, I just you were
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Speaker 5: talking about pictures and there was supposedly a picture she
30:44
Speaker 5: photographed of herself with her wedding ring off in some
30:48
Speaker 5: of her final photos, and so within that picture there's
30:52
Speaker 5: things called excess data that you can look for that
30:55
Speaker 5: potentially could have geolocation information about where she was when
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Speaker 5: the picture was taken.
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Speaker 1: Say that is why you're the expert. I didn't even
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Speaker 1: catch that, Julie Lewis.
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Speaker 5: So switching gears to the car, you know, the car
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Speaker 5: is a moving computer these days on most cars with
31:12
Speaker 5: why fuy has GPS, it has a cell network, all
31:17
Speaker 5: these things that you can use for tracking. So if
31:21
Speaker 5: Brian's car has has that in it. Law enforcement could
31:26
Speaker 5: have certainly used that information. The other thing that happens
31:29
Speaker 5: in cars is a lot of people think their phones
31:33
Speaker 5: and so text messages, contacts, you know, browser history, all
31:38
Speaker 5: these things may be on that on the car.
31:42
Speaker 7: Now.
31:43
Speaker 5: You know, for example, if you rent a car, even
31:44
Speaker 5: that information can.
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Speaker 10: Be on that.
31:46
Speaker 5: So that's something that's really important to note.
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Speaker 1: You mean, when you charge your phone in a car,
31:53
Speaker 1: the car can track everything that you have written on
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Speaker 1: your phone during that time.
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Speaker 5: It could be thinking like when you when you are
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Speaker 5: in a uber your playlist. Depending on the configuration, it
32:04
Speaker 5: could actually down on that. So you don't want to
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Speaker 5: go in some strangers car rental car and plug it
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Speaker 5: in because the car and fountainment system could be grabbing
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Speaker 5: and capturing some information from your phone.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, Where is the body of
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Speaker 1: Anna Walsh? We can't count on anything, Brian Walsh says,
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Speaker 1: we already know that he lined to even a friend
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Speaker 1: in the art fraud dealings. He gained access to those
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Speaker 1: paintings by telling a friend who was the lawful owner
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Speaker 1: of the paintings he could help the friends sell the
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Speaker 1: paintings at a good price. According to court documents we
32:54
Speaker 1: have obtained, that friend told investigators that after Walsh took
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Speaker 1: the art, the friend could no longer contact him. He
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Speaker 1: took a powder, he got ghosted. The art in question
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Speaker 1: was valued at hundreds of thousands of dollars. So if
33:12
Speaker 1: he will lie to a good friend over money, you
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Speaker 1: don't think he would lie to save his own skin.
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Speaker 1: So just to poke another stick in the wheel, just
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Speaker 1: to muddy the water a little bit more, just to
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Speaker 1: get ten more minutes delay. Brian Walsh is appealing a
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Speaker 1: federal sentence regarding the art fraud. As his state murder
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Speaker 1: case inches forward and Eye Maan inches forward, all of
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Speaker 1: this is swirling while the convicted con artist accused of
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Speaker 1: killing his wife is publicly exoriated for a string of
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Speaker 1: deception that has gone on for years. His stalling tactics
33:56
Speaker 1: and deception in that federal art fraud case cost him
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Speaker 1: more than a thirty seven month prison sentence. His entire
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Speaker 1: lavish and extravagant lifestyle goes up in flames. As a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, Walsh to pled guilty. Now remember he
34:14
Speaker 1: pled guilty, so once he got to appeal, it was
34:16
Speaker 1: his decision to plead guilty to selling fake Andy Warhol paintings,
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Speaker 1: and he was literally mom wents away from a sweetheart deal,
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Speaker 1: in part because his wife's Anna had written a letter
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Speaker 1: of support. That deal would have included no prison time.
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Speaker 1: But the proceedings all came to a screeching halt when
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Speaker 1: federal investigators discovered two million dollars worth of assets he
34:45
Speaker 1: hid to avoid paying by the victims. Yes, he was
34:52
Speaker 1: moments away from getting a sweetheart lenient deal, no jail
34:57
Speaker 1: time when every came to a stop. Federal investigators uncovered
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Speaker 1: two mil. And according to prosecutors, this further illustrates the
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Speaker 1: brazenness of his crimes as he attempts to mislead the
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Speaker 1: very body about to pronounce judgment on him. In other words,
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Speaker 1: he tried to fake out the judge that was about
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Speaker 1: to sentence him wow. Over the next three years, as
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Speaker 1: Brian Walsh and Anna Walsh's assets were being studied, Walsh
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Speaker 1: was on house arrest as part of the pre sentenced
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Speaker 1: probation period. It was there in their Massachusetts home where
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Speaker 1: he decided his wife was cheating on him with a
35:44
Speaker 1: man back in dec where her job was. The relationship
35:47
Speaker 1: was strained and Anna goes missing. I can never forget
35:53
Speaker 1: those disturbing Google searches, including how long before a body
35:56
Speaker 1: starts to smell? How to stop a body from decomposing?
36:02
Speaker 1: The pending murder trial date has come and gone. That
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Speaker 1: was March the fourth. Does his years long scheme of
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Speaker 1: fraud have anything to do with his wife's murder? We
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Speaker 1: learned about Google searches. I mean, what an idiot? I
36:25
Speaker 1: just can't stress this enough. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut thirty six. This is Lynd Beilan talking.
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Speaker 12: On January first, Offenitive googled using.
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Speaker 1: A son's iPad.
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Speaker 12: Some of the searches are as follows. Keep in mind
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Speaker 12: that the Canadian said he left at sixty six am.
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Speaker 12: At four fifty five am on January first, he searched
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Speaker 12: how long before a body starts to smell?
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Speaker 1: How long before a body starts to smell? Okay, keep going?
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Speaker 12: Eight am? How to stop a body from decomposing? At
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Speaker 12: five twenty am, he searched how to follow the body
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Speaker 12: At five forty seven am, Ten ways to dislause disclose
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Speaker 12: of a dead body if you really need to. At
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Speaker 12: six twenty five am on the first, how long for
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Speaker 12: someone to be missing? To inherit at six thirty four
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Speaker 12: am on the first, Can you go away body pots?
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Speaker 1: Okay, I think we need Doctor Kendall Crowns, Chief Medical Examiner,
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Speaker 1: Terrance County Lecturer, University, Texas Austin and Texas Christian University
37:35
Speaker 1: Medical School. Doctor Kendall Crowns, thank you for being with us.
37:39
Speaker 1: Let me just ask you a couple days and I'd
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Speaker 1: like to point out also, this is food for thought
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Speaker 1: for you. Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad, like
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Speaker 1: they don't know how to read the search history and
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Speaker 1: there's daddy searching. How long before a body starts to smell?
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Speaker 1: How do you stop a body from decomposing? How to
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Speaker 1: get rid of a body? Ten ways to dispose of
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Speaker 1: a dead body if you really need to. I'm glad
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Speaker 1: he added to check that on at the end. How
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Speaker 1: long before how long for someone to be missing to inherit?
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Speaker 1: That's not for you, Crowns. Can you throw away body parts? Okay?
38:21
Speaker 1: I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter
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Speaker 1: that you don't really need the dead body to prove
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Speaker 1: that someone is dead. Doctor Kendall Crowns, can you give
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Speaker 1: me some quick answers to those. This is a lightning
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Speaker 1: round for you. How long before a body starts to smell,
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Speaker 1: doctor Crowns?
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Speaker 5: For ten days?
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Speaker 1: That just rolled off the tip of your tongue. I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to ask why how do you stop a
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Speaker 1: body from decomposing?
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Speaker 13: Refrigeration? I mean, you look at it. That guy they
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Speaker 13: found in the iceberg hot to see the iceman. He
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Speaker 13: was missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in
38:55
Speaker 13: the icebergs. Really, refrigeration at the best way to prevent
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Speaker 13: a body from decomposing.
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Speaker 1: Ten ways to dispose of a dead body if you
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Speaker 1: really need to. That's not a medical question. Let me
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Speaker 1: go to the next medical question. Can you throw away
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Speaker 1: body parts?
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Speaker 13: You have to, you know, if you don't want the
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Speaker 13: trash man to notice some put them in dumpsters like
39:15
Speaker 13: which was possibly done in this case, and then dismember
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Speaker 13: the individual into small enough parts that they aren't recognizable
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Speaker 13: as human and then mix them in with other trash.
39:28
Speaker 13: And another good way is to put them in I
39:31
Speaker 13: think it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the
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Speaker 13: body parts down into kind of a sluge.
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Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Kendall Crowns, you're actually man hate scaring
39:41
Speaker 1: many people that are listening to you right now, putting
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Speaker 1: it in pool. Waite a minute, Karen start, I know
39:45
Speaker 1: you've got something dead. Hold on, what did you say
39:48
Speaker 1: about pool cleaner, doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 13: There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in
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Speaker 13: pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it
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Speaker 13: off the top of my head. But it'll actually dissolve
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Speaker 13: the dismembered body parts down relatively and it'll dissolve the
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Speaker 13: bone as well, and it'll just kind of make this
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Speaker 13: kind of ooze. Then you have to dispose of that.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you're on the right side of the law,
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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns. I really am. But guess what, guys,
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Speaker 1: there is more. Take a listen again to land Bailand
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Speaker 1: at nine twenty nine am.
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Speaker 8: What does from aldehyde do at.
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Speaker 12: Nine thirty four AM. One first, How long does NA last?
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Speaker 12: At nine fifty nine am. Can identification be made?
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Speaker 5: On passion remains?
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Speaker 12: At eleven thirty four am. Dismendment and the best ways
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Speaker 12: to dispose of a body at eleven forty four How
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Speaker 12: to clean blood from wooden fluid at eleven fifty six
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Speaker 12: On the first, Mom and All to detect blood at
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Speaker 12: one oh eight? What happens when you put body pots
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Speaker 12: pneumonium at one twenty one pm? Is better the throw
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Speaker 12: clime scene close away or wash them those on the
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Speaker 12: general word?
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Speaker 1: Okay, guys, just know that while some of these questions
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Speaker 1: are so rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible. And three
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Speaker 1: little boys are left without their mother while this guy
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Speaker 1: is googling what does from aldehyde do? How long does
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Speaker 1: DNA last? Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment?
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Speaker 1: Best ways to dispose of a body? What happens when
41:29
Speaker 1: you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away
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Speaker 1: crime scene clothes or wash them? So to doctor Kendall
41:37
Speaker 1: Crown's lightning round, Doctor Crown's how long does DNA last?
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Speaker 13: You can find d nams on surfaces for years.
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Speaker 1: What does from aldehide do?
41:47
Speaker 13: From aldehyde is a fixative? Also, that's what you use
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Speaker 13: to kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved
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Speaker 13: for long periods of time.
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Speaker 1: What happens when you put body parts anemonia? Doctor Kendall?
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Speaker 13: That one, I don't know. That's a new one to me.
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Speaker 13: As far as I know that I stopped.
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Speaker 1: You're out, No don't go, I've got more. Oh well,
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Speaker 1: one more quickie from Lynn blend to listen one can
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Speaker 1: ry third.
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Speaker 12: That same day at one o two pm, you did
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Speaker 12: some more Google searches. What happens to hear on a
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Speaker 12: dead body at one thirteen pm? What is the rate
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Speaker 12: of decomposition of the body found in a plastic bag
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Speaker 12: compared to on a service in the woods at one pm?
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Speaker 12: To baking soda mask or maybe a body smell good?
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Speaker 1: Can baking soda make a body? A dead body smell good?
42:41
Speaker 1: These Google searches have led to a bombshell development in
42:47
Speaker 1: the search for an a Walch Bob. We're joining me,
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Speaker 1: Boston twenty five News. An indictment explain.
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Speaker 7: He was indicted on three counts. There was murder, misleading investigators,
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Speaker 7: and improper disposal of a body.
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Speaker 1: Of course, he's in a cent until proven guilty. The
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Speaker 1: art fraud victims speaking out. According to his guilty plea,
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Speaker 1: Walsh defrauded three victims, a California art dealer, a Paris man,
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Speaker 1: and a former friend in South Korea during the Andy
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Speaker 1: warhol scam, and he was about to get away with
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Speaker 1: selling hundreds of thousands of dollars from two of those
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Speaker 1: victims until a US art dealer, Ron Rivlin, filed a
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Speaker 1: formal complaint with the FEDS. The French victim said he
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Speaker 1: met Walsh in Paris in twenty fifteen, where Walsh convinced
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Speaker 1: him to buy seemingly legitimate Warhol paintings for one hundred
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Speaker 1: and forty five thousand dollars. Now, the French victim convinced
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Speaker 1: his father to loan him the money to buy the paintings.
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Speaker 1: He never got the money back, and his sixty three
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Speaker 1: year old father had no choice but to put off
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Speaker 1: retirement for another ten years since he lost his hard
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Speaker 1: earn savings. According to that victim, he and his father
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Speaker 1: no longer speak. Wow. It just seems that Brian waltsh
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Speaker 1: leaves a wake of devastation behind him. What seems to
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Speaker 1: be even more unfair is that when a jury is
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Speaker 1: impaneled to hear the murder trial, they won't know anything
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Speaker 1: about all of the art fraud victims. But the reason
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Speaker 1: I told you about the French art fraud victim is
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Speaker 1: to show it's not just about them losing money. That
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Speaker 1: one victim god his dad to take money out of
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Speaker 1: retirement funds, and now the dad has had to put
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Speaker 1: off retirement and go back to work till at least
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Speaker 1: his mid seventies. Just as there are devastating consequences in
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Speaker 1: the murder of Anna Walsh, her boys will grow up
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Speaker 1: without a mother. I just wonder, regardless of what a
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Speaker 1: jury may find, if Brian Walsh will be able to
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Speaker 1: con his boys into believing Anna Waltz just abandoned them,
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Speaker 1: and that will be another travesty of justice connected to
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Speaker 1: Brian Walsh. We wait as justice unfolds.