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Inside The Tape With Greg Cosell: "Jalen Hurts Had Total Command Of The Game" · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome back to Inside the Tape with Greg Cosell
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  Speaker 1: on the Inside the Birds Network.
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  Speaker 2: I am Jeff Mosher.
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  Speaker 3: I'm with Adam Kaplan, my co-host, and of course, the
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  Speaker 3: star of the show, it's Greg Cosell. He is the
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  Speaker 3: best tape breakdown guy who's not working for an NFL team,
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  Speaker 3: and he's with us every year and back for another
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  Speaker 3: season here on Inside the Tape, and we're going to
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  Speaker 3: do it like we've been doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Offense one show, defense another show.
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  Speaker 3: And Greg, there was a whole lot of intrigue about
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles offense going into their week one game against
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  Speaker 3: the Commanders, a 24-22 win. Everybody wanted to see what
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  Speaker 3: the Sean Mannion offense was going to look like and
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  Speaker 3: how different that would be. What was your overall film
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  Speaker 3: takeaway from what the offense looked like?
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's funny. Obviously, there was more under center.
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  Speaker 4: There were 16 snaps under center. They only ran, I believe,
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  Speaker 4: 52 or 53 offensive plays. So it was 30%, but,
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  Speaker 4: you know, that's totally different. And there was motion, more
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  Speaker 4: motion than we've normally seen. So I guess those are
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  Speaker 4: sort of, you know, cosmetic differences. And I think we'll
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  Speaker 4: see more under center as we go forward. I actually
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  Speaker 4: thought that Jalen Hurts played really well in this game.
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  Speaker 4: And we can go over, you know, we'll go over
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  Speaker 4: some of that. Um, the run game was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: obviously Barkley had the 42 yard run, but I didn't
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  Speaker 4: think the run game was consistently good, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: it was, it was there. Um, I'm, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 4: really anxious to see the thing that stood out with
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  Speaker 4: the run game was it was all zone except for
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  Speaker 4: one play that was gap scheme. But other than that,
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  Speaker 4: every single run was a zone run. Um, and it
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  Speaker 4: was all mid zone and outside zone. Uh, so, you know,
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  Speaker 4: that that's, but that's the foundation of this offense. So
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  Speaker 4: that's not a surprise. So, yeah, those those are probably
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  Speaker 4: differences than what we've seen in the past. But, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it's funny watching the tape. I didn't come away going, oh,
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  Speaker 4: my God, this is a totally different offense. It's so glaring.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what I'm looking at.
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  Speaker 1: I think that was right.
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  Speaker 2: I think that was Adam and I.
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  Speaker 3: Our takeaway in the postgame show was despite all the
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  Speaker 3: changes in the wrinkles. the reasons that Jalen Hurts really played,
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  Speaker 3: it seemed like Jalen bailed them out out of some
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  Speaker 3: poor protection plays. He made some great sideline throws that
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  Speaker 3: we've seen. He made some great under duress throws. We
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  Speaker 3: were still looking for Adam, what you'd say, like that
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  Speaker 3: whole rhythm and harmony and timing and anticipation that, that
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  Speaker 3: comes with this offense. But I think in Greg, you
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  Speaker 3: can talk to it, but it seemed like Washington threw
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  Speaker 3: them a little bit off kilter from that regard with their,
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  Speaker 3: their multiple.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And again, I don't know if it was what Washington
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  Speaker 4: did or, but, You know, I thought, look, they didn't
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  Speaker 4: run a lot of plays by NFL standards. So Hurts
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  Speaker 4: didn't have that many dropbacks. I mean, Barkley had, what,
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  Speaker 4: 16 carries, I believe. You know, and I'm sure there
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  Speaker 4: are a lot of fans who think, you know, that
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  Speaker 4: the game was far too close for comfort. It's not
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  Speaker 4: as if they put up 35. But yet I really
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  Speaker 4: came away from the tape feeling that Jalen Hurts played
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  Speaker 4: a really good game in terms of just the composure,
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  Speaker 4: the poise, the way he handled it. He made some
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  Speaker 4: really good throws. I, and we'll go over, I'm sure
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  Speaker 4: a couple of them in detail, but it just, I
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  Speaker 4: felt like he was in total command of the game.
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  Speaker 4: And you mentioned a couple of, you know, he had
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  Speaker 4: two scrambles on third down that resulted in first downs.
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  Speaker 4: And certainly that one on that last touchdown drive was huge.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, so I just thought he was very comfortable
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  Speaker 4: and in command, you know, and, You know, you kind
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  Speaker 4: of hit it, Jeff. You know, it's funny. You watch offense,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm used to seeing, you know, pretty much every
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  Speaker 4: team in the league. So sometimes I have to step
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  Speaker 4: back and go, God, are they really doing something different
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  Speaker 4: than a lot of teams are doing? It kind of,
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  Speaker 4: you know, sometimes it just kind of looks like everybody else.
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  Speaker 4: You know, teams are kind of moved in the direction
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  Speaker 4: of putting the quarterback under center. I mean, I pulled
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  Speaker 4: up stats just to see because I was curious, you know,
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  Speaker 4: in terms of under center. And the Eagles, obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 4: they had 30%, which for them is big. But, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: you look at some teams. The Lions had 47 under
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  Speaker 4: center plays. The Raiders, 39.
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  Speaker 1: The Bears, 37.
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  Speaker 4: The Niners, 37. The Ravens, 34. You know, the Jets 33,
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  Speaker 4: the Jaguars 32. I mean, this is where the league
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  Speaker 4: is going now. So when I sit and watch tape,
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  Speaker 4: you know, yes, for the Eagles, is it something that's different? Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: But it didn't come across as, oh, my God, I'm
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  Speaker 4: seeing the world changing in front of me. It's revolutionary.
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  Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And Jeff, I sense you
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  Speaker 4: agree based on what you just said. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean.
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  Speaker 3: The watching the Eagles be under center at 30% because
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  Speaker 3: that's the team I watched.
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  Speaker 4: It was no question.
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  Speaker 2: It's surprising.
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  Speaker 3: But again, like it just felt like at the end
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  Speaker 3: of the day, we were praising the Eagles for doing
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  Speaker 3: things that they've been doing for a couple of years
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  Speaker 3: in an entirely different offense.
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  Speaker 2: And so that was what struck me.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, big plays by Jalen Hurts in
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  Speaker 3: the run game. Big plays by Jalen Hurts on the
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  Speaker 3: sideline passes. a couple of nice throws under duress, and
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  Speaker 3: the run game was, well, we'll get into it, not
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  Speaker 3: so great again. So it felt like not that different.
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  Speaker 4: I will say that I didn't feel like the pass
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  Speaker 4: game with Hurts was random. I felt like he was
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  Speaker 4: totally under control in this game. I felt like, again,
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to sit here and make it seem
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  Speaker 4: like all of a sudden now he's the best quarterback
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  Speaker 4: I've ever seen, but I just felt like it just
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  Speaker 4: seemed comfortable. I never felt like there were plays where
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  Speaker 4: I didn't think he left any plays on the field,
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  Speaker 4: by the way. And I didn't think there were times
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  Speaker 4: that he broke down and you're wondering, why is he
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  Speaker 4: breaking down? What's he doing? What's he looking at? I
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  Speaker 4: didn't feel that happened in this game.
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  Speaker 5: Because that was actually Jeff and I when we were
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  Speaker 5: doing a postgame show because we didn't have access to
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  Speaker 5: what the tape looked like. There were some plays where, okay,
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  Speaker 5: why is he scrambling? Is it because the pocket broke down?
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  Speaker 5: Or did he not like what he saw? Because you
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  Speaker 5: don't know. You don't know until we get. And here's
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  Speaker 5: the other thing we don't know. Just, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 4: We don't know because he does have movement ability, exactly
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  Speaker 4: how he's coached. In other words, in this offense, it's
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  Speaker 4: very choreographed and specific. So in other words, you're, you know,
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  Speaker 4: and it's based on the concept of pure progression, which
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  Speaker 4: is I think in a misunderstood term, the way it's
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  Speaker 4: developed in the NFL. And we're not going to get
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  Speaker 4: into everything about that. You know, that's maybe for another time,
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  Speaker 4: but we don't know if he's coached to say, Hey,
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  Speaker 4: if you drop back and the progression part is not
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  Speaker 4: there in your mind, you can move because you're good
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  Speaker 4: at it. So we don't know that obviously you're not coaching,
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  Speaker 4: you know, um, Kirk cousins to do that because he
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  Speaker 4: can't move. He's, he has to stay there and work
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  Speaker 4: through every single thing. You don't know with Jalen, they
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  Speaker 4: could be saying, Hey, if you feel like there's space,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, for instance, you know, I just, I've been
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  Speaker 4: watching the bills offense. Um, before we started doing this
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  Speaker 4: and Josh Allen had the 21 yard touchdown run. And
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  Speaker 4: I know exactly what play they called and it wasn't there.
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  Speaker 4: The Texans took it away and then he looked for
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  Speaker 4: the other things and it was all taken away.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So he left the pocket because you're not just going
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  Speaker 4: to stand there forever. You know, with Jalen, we don't
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  Speaker 4: know if he's told, Hey, if you just don't feel
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  Speaker 4: comfortable with what you're seeing within the, the immediate structure,
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  Speaker 4: the immediate structure, you can take off. You know why?
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  Speaker 4: Cause you're good at it.
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  Speaker 2: How about the run game, Greg?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And the offensive line. It was, it was, I would
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  Speaker 4: say it was up and down. I wouldn't say it
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  Speaker 4: was horrendous. You know, the guy that's concerning and we
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  Speaker 4: talked about this is Landon Dickerson, who really had a
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  Speaker 4: poor game. And again, I don't know if, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if it's something that really concerns them to the
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  Speaker 4: point that they have to think about a change or
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  Speaker 4: if they just look at his week one and, you know,
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  Speaker 4: a different offense where, He's required to do some things
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  Speaker 4: that he hasn't been required to do as much in
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  Speaker 4: the past. So I don't know how they see it.
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  Speaker 4: But he really struggled. He stopped his feet a lot.
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  Speaker 4: He just, you know, he did things you can't do.
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  Speaker 4: And he knows how to play. Look, we know what
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  Speaker 4: kind of player he's been. And he's tough as all
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  Speaker 4: get out, as we know. So that's there's none of
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  Speaker 4: that with him. You know, it's just the body might
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  Speaker 4: be breaking down. The guy's had so many injuries going
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  Speaker 4: back to college. And this is a run game that
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  Speaker 4: demands movement. And as I said, there was only one
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  Speaker 4: gap scheme run. Everything else was zone. And he struggled
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  Speaker 4: in pass pro a lot, too. He just kept stopping
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  Speaker 4: his feet. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Greg, talking about the zone, and they did just about
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  Speaker 5: all zone, and this is a big sea change for them.
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  Speaker 6: How do you think this offensive line fits with the
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  Speaker 6: zone scheme?
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  Speaker 4: Overall, well. Because I thought Tyler Steen played very well.
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  Speaker 3: Oh.
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  Speaker 4: OK, don't forget, he's a former tackle. He's got good
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  Speaker 4: movement ability. The concern with him was always just like
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  Speaker 4: pure strength, you know, because but he can move. And
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  Speaker 4: I thought he played well. Lane Johnson, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: just don't know why he doesn't get the credit that
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this guy and in past pro, I was
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  Speaker 4: talking to my guys on the matchup show, watching that
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  Speaker 4: tape and going like this guy just stones everybody. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's ridiculous. I mean, this guy's one of the best
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  Speaker 4: right tackles ever to play the game. And no one
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  Speaker 4: talks about him like that. I mean, he's he's phenomenal.
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  Speaker 4: My allot is a good athlete. He can move. Juergens,
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  Speaker 4: that's the strength of his game. Although I think sometimes,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm not an offensive line guru, so I could
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  Speaker 4: be wrong, but I think sometimes his issue is he
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  Speaker 4: takes bad angles to get to the second level. Not
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  Speaker 4: that he's incapable because he's a good athlete, but I
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  Speaker 4: think sometimes, you know, I've spoken to offensive line coaches.
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  Speaker 4: Many of them teach it differently, but at the end
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  Speaker 4: of the day, it's aiming point and angle of departure.
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  Speaker 4: You know, that's what it is. And I think sometimes
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  Speaker 4: he's just a little off. But that's again, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the Duke Manny Weathers and the Brandon Thorns of the
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  Speaker 4: world could tell me I'm wrong, and I would accept
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  Speaker 4: it because they know more about O-line play than I do,
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  Speaker 4: but that's just my sense. But it's not because he's unathletic.
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  Speaker 6: One follow-up on that, Greg.
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  Speaker 5: So you have the 42-yard run, which is obviously a
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  Speaker 5: great run, but then the rest of them are 14
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  Speaker 5: for 41.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 6: Less than three yards a carry, which is obviously not
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  Speaker 6: very good at all.
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  Speaker 4: No, no.
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  Speaker 5: What do you think the issue was as an overview?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, there were times clearly when it wasn't blocked properly.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and I think that's normally the issue. You know,
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  Speaker 4: there were a couple of times blocks were missed. You know,
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  Speaker 4: and Barkley's always been a back. And believe it or not,
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  Speaker 4: and this got confirmed with someone I spoke to, I
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  Speaker 4: thought Barkley looked a little stiff. And I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he's also a guy that's getting older. He's
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  Speaker 4: also a guy that's had injuries, you know, to his
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  Speaker 4: lower half. I thought he looked a little stiff. And
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  Speaker 4: when he looks stiff, what happens is, despite his size
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  Speaker 4: and his pure power, he goes down. I've always felt
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  Speaker 4: he would go down a little too easy for a
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  Speaker 4: guy who was that strong. And I think, Jeff, you
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  Speaker 4: would agree going back even to the Penn State days.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, he's always been a big play guy and
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  Speaker 4: he can always break an 80-odder. But, you know, the
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  Speaker 4: sustaining element, you know, that's why the 2024 season was
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  Speaker 4: so special because it seemed like he ran differently. You know,
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  Speaker 4: but for the most part in his career, he's not
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  Speaker 4: been a guy that gets three or four extra yards
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  Speaker 4: based on extra, you know, that extra, I don't want
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  Speaker 4: to say effort because it's not effort, but you know
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, that just grind it out sort of,
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  Speaker 4: you know. And I thought he went down, I don't
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  Speaker 4: want to say easy, but he didn't get those extra
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  Speaker 4: yards in this game. And I'm curious to see as
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  Speaker 4: we go forward, but he looked a little stiff.
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  Speaker 3: He's... He's also had 800 about touches in that range
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  Speaker 3: since arriving to Philadelphia. So it wouldn't be surprising if
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  Speaker 3: the body just didn't feel like it did when he
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  Speaker 3: got here after that last season.
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  Speaker 4: And I could be wrong, but I think you're going
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  Speaker 4: to see less of him in third down situations because
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  Speaker 4: he's not a good pass protector, as we saw again.
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  Speaker 4: Everybody saw Stiles and, you know, run him over. But
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  Speaker 4: we know he's not a great pass protector. Adam, you've
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  Speaker 4: spoken about that for years with people you've spoken to,
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  Speaker 4: you know. I remember you going back when they first
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  Speaker 4: got him. You talked about that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, it was out there, Greg, that he was. And
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  Speaker 6: I was like, it's not true.
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  Speaker 4: It's totally false. I mean, it's just not true.
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  Speaker 5: And what I've learned, Greg, from talking to running back
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  Speaker 5: coaches and offensive line coaches, that has very little to
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  Speaker 5: do with how strong they are. It's about technique and
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  Speaker 5: alignment and IDing pass rushers and understanding how to use
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  Speaker 5: your body. And here's the problem, guys. Like Tank Bixby
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  Speaker 5: is not a third down back and Will Shipley can be.
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  Speaker 4: He's going to be because Will Shipley is a really
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  Speaker 4: good football player who's just not big enough to be
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  Speaker 4: a full-time back. But he's better. He can do that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to say he's going to be great
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  Speaker 4: at it. Believe me, we don't know. But he's a
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  Speaker 4: complete type back. He's just not big enough to be
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  Speaker 4: a full-time back. And maybe not quite good enough as well,
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  Speaker 4: but he's a really good receiver. And I think he's
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  Speaker 4: enough of a pass protector that you can put him
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  Speaker 4: out there.
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  Speaker 2: That's what brought us to you. Right. They put him
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  Speaker 2: out there in the fourth quarter. That is correct.
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  Speaker 3: Two consecutive reps when the game was pretty, pretty tight there.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a good point.
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  Speaker 3: Last thing, Greg, you know, they played the Eagles did
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  Speaker 3: a decent amount, a lot more 11 personnel than we expect.
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  Speaker 2: I think that might be.
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  Speaker 3: A function of just what's going on with them at
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  Speaker 3: tight end right now. They have one pass catching tight
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  Speaker 3: end and really just two usable tight ends because I
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  Speaker 3: don't think what Jenkins play one snap.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, obviously, Johnny Munn is he's an attached.
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  Speaker 2: And he's just a blocker.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. And that's what he is. And he knows the
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  Speaker 4: offense because he's been in that system, you know, almost
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  Speaker 4: his entire career. So that's why he's here. And he's
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  Speaker 4: he's a strong blocker from an attached tight end alignment.
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  Speaker 4: And he can make those effective reach blocks on outside
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  Speaker 4: zone concepts, you know. And so he can do that.
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  Speaker 4: So I think my guess is that the personnel usage
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  Speaker 4: and deployment will probably be somewhat game specific. I'm not
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  Speaker 4: going to suggest all of a sudden the next game
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  Speaker 4: they're going to play 60% 12 personnel. But I think
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  Speaker 4: that'll change depending on the game, the way it plays out,
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  Speaker 4: maybe the opponent. You know, I think there'll be games
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  Speaker 4: where Munt plays a little more.
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  Speaker 2: I would think so.
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  Speaker 3: And then, you know, you've got the rookie, Mekhi Lemon,
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  Speaker 3: they're trying to work in there. And I was just
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  Speaker 3: surprised to see that much 11 personnel because we thought
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  Speaker 3: there would be more 12. But like you said, it
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  Speaker 3: might have been very game specific.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Is Lemon now supposed to be totally healthy? Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, he played a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I know. Going back to watching him on tape
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  Speaker 4: at USC, he just looks small on tape to me.
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  Speaker 4: I know he's not super small, but he just looks small. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well, the separation thing, real quick, guys. The separation thing
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  Speaker 6: has come up.
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  Speaker 5: I know fans who they look at TV copy and
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  Speaker 5: they'll see the preseason and go, what's wrong with him?
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  Speaker 2: They look at USC.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's tough.
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  Speaker 5: He had really good hands, but was the separation. Was
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  Speaker 3: All right, let's take a look at some clips. And
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  Speaker 3: some of this is also to show what Washington was
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  Speaker 3: the first thing we're going to see is Greg, it's a, um,
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  Speaker 2: So I'll let you set it up here.
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  Speaker 4: Was this the third and five where he ran for six? Yes. Yeah. See,
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  Speaker 4: A gap. That's where they really focused their pressures. And
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  Speaker 4: the game. So they're going to come from the inside.
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  Speaker 4: And if you, you can run it because it's, there's not,
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• 19:46
  Speaker 4: where I almost felt here that. Jalen did not trust
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  Speaker 4: I don't want to say that's exactly what happened, but
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  Speaker 4: that he could have taken a step to his right
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to blame Jalen here because he knows
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  Speaker 4: a stunt on the other side. So when he moved
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  Speaker 4: Louisville because they ran a stunt on, on, on his right,
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  Speaker 4: the defense's left. And so then he saw that and
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  Speaker 4: then he knew that he couldn't stop and settle that
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  Speaker 4: he had to move. But, and you know, but, but
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  Speaker 4: he can do this. I mean, like this is the
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: kind of thing I'm saying is I don't want to,
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: make this a negative Jalen play because, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: think he– and you'll see it even more clearly from
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: this angle, Jeff, if you run it. You can see that.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think he trusts it.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And then you see Lugo coming around on the stun.
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  Speaker 4: So now he has to move. Now he has to move.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that would have been hard. But to have the
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• 20:59
  Speaker 5: arm strength, that's a positive.
• 21:02
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So– All right, Greg, here we have the play to
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: Dontavion Wick, 64 yards. As you noted, this was the
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: only snap, I believe, of 13 personnel.
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  Speaker 2: It was. So this was TJ Jenkins' load appearance.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm almost certain, because this is a flood concept,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: and I'm almost certain that this play, when drawn up
• 21:23
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• 21:28
  Speaker 4: who's Goddard, by the way. And Goddard is open. But
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: I think what Jalen saw, and this is my sense,
• 21:32
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• 21:35
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• 21:39
  Speaker 4: sees cross the safety and Sainer still the corner up top,
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: just not in a position to play the vertical route.
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: And I think he saw that and then he knew, hey,
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: I got a chance for the big one here. And
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: it's a great ball, by the way. So that's what
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: I think happened on this. You know, like I said,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: could I be wrong?
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: But I think I'm not because I've seen this flood
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: concept a thousand times. And it's almost always designed for
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: the vertical route to be a clear route and for
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: the intermediate outcut to be the throw. Because you're working
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: off the underneath defender, who is number four here, Lou Vu.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: So look at Goddard. I mean, you know, theoretically, Wicks
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: is meant to clear. Go a little further, Jeff. Yep.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: By the way, before you finish, I can just confirm
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: with you you're correct, because Wicks did say that he
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: was supposed to be a clear out route on this.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, he did?
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: Yes. Wow.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: And that hurt.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: But that you always have to pay attention, he said,
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: because Hertz will trust you if you go.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, like I said, I've seen it so many times.
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  Speaker 4: That's why the first thing I said when I saw
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: this was, this is not meant to go to Wix.
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: This is a big time read and throw by Jalen.
• 22:52
  Speaker 4: Look, the way I always talk to my guys on
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: the matchup show, you know, there are some quarterbacks that
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: when they do things, everybody gets super excited, okay, because
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: they're already considered great at whatever it is that they do.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: So if another quarterback does it, you've got to say
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: the same thing. You know, this is a big-time play.
• 23:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, he saw– if you go back just a
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: little bit.
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  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you, is it because he
• 23:12
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• 23:15
  Speaker 4: And also– look at cross the safety's position he's facing
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: yes he can't turn and run now right and by
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: the way i talked about cross when we did the
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: pregame on friday i think you guys know just watching
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: this game how good a player cross is yes but
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: uh but he sees that that that saner stills got
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: his back turned he sees that cross is not in
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: position to play over the top and he decides to
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: go along and makes a This is a big-time play
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: mentally and physically. This is about as good as it gets.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: Greg, we talked about in our pregame show that the
• 23:47
  Speaker 5: guy to go after is Sander Still. You never know,
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: but this is an example of it because there's a
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: belief that the guy's really better at nickel.
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: He's not a corner.
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: That's a great point.
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: Well, you know what? He played nickel in this game.
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: They played Robertson on the outside when they went to
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: their nickel.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: When he got burned there, where was he lined up?
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: Well, that's because it was 13 personnel. He was on
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: the outside.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: He was outside.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: And by the way, they knew that, Adam. That's why
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: they called it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, they knew at.
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: 13 he was going to play on the outside.
• 24:14
  Speaker 6: This stuff doesn't happen on a whim.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: No.
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: And Jalen got the alert. He's like, we're going there.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: We see him. Oh, so I'm really happy to hear
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: you say that, Jeff, because I was 99.9% certain that
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: the play was, that he was a clear out and
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: it was meant to go to Goddard.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: To Goddard.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: All right. This is now the Wicks touchdown catch.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: This is beautiful design to get the one on one.
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah. And then and, you know, I thought that, you know,
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: Wicks motion across the formation. There are 12 personnel. So
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: Sainer still playing outside again. So he ran across the formation.
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: They rushed five. Um, and, and the way they, they
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: ran the route inside of Wicks, it basically became one-on-one
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: versus Sanger. Still, they knew they were going to get
• 24:59
  Speaker 4: this again. This is not, this didn't just happen. They
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: knew they were going to get this based on the
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: 12 personnel and they got exactly what they wanted. And
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Jalen made a great throw under pressure, a great throw.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: And Wicks ran a great route.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: And you could see Wicks has not made his break yet.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: So there's a lot of, there's.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: A lot of this in the past. I mean, this
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: is a big time NFL throw right here. Yep. Like
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: I said, if Patrick Mahomes did this, we'd be raving
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: about it. So when Jalen Hurts does it, you've got
• 25:28
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• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Big throw.
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: And by the way, we mentioned in the pregame show
• 25:33
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• 25:36
  Speaker 5: You've seen that now. Because you never know. And you've
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: seen training camp may not happen. But we saw it
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: in week one. Very early in the game, which is interesting.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: I added this angle to kind of focus in a
• 25:50
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• 25:53
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  Speaker 2: There's something in the middle there, Greg.
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  Speaker 4: And he, yeah, it's a stunt.
• 26:00
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• 26:02
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• 26:05
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• 26:06
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• 26:09
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• 26:11
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• 26:26
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
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  Speaker 4: Big time throw.
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  Speaker 2: Excellent throw. All right, now we've got the Goddard touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: So it's so funny because it came in the four-vert
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  Speaker 3: concept that was such a polarizing play in the last
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  Speaker 3: play of the game for them against the 49ers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this plays, this is really good. This is
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• 30:19
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• 30:21
  Speaker 4: the beginning, you know, this is classic Durante Jones, Brian
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Flores stuff. They've got a pressure front. You don't know
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: what it's going to be. Is it going to be pressure?
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Are they going to drop out? You don't know any
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: of this, you know, and obviously in the red zone,
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: everything is, is a whole, it's faster, more urgent. You
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: don't know. Right. So what they end up doing is
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: they end up dropping out and playing cover too. But
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: notice number 39 Reeves, look at his body position because he's,
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: he's opening as the middle hole defender to the wide
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  Speaker 4: side of the field as he's taught. Okay. Because theoretically
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: you could argue lemons open too, but, Jalen and Lemons
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: in the slot to the other side, so he's running
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: the other vertical seam. But Jalen sees the body position
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: of Reeves and knows he can't get his body turned
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  Speaker 4: to play Goddard. And look when he throws this. He
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: started his delivery right now. This is really good.
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  Speaker 5: We talked about in the postgame the timing throw.
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  Speaker 6: This is a great timing throw.
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  Speaker 4: Yep. Right there. This is really good. All right.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: This will now be– we're going to just show a
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: little bit of the things that Washington was doing up front,
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: a couple of sacks. This was the Sonny Styles sack.
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: I believe Saquon, as you said before, Greg, had a
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: tough time getting in the right position to stop him.
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, he just gets blown up. But, see,
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: look what he does. Do you have this from the
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: end zone as well?
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  Speaker 2: I might. Hold on.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: See, you're going to see what Barkley does here. He
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: bends his head all the way down, so he loses
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: all his power. Look, look. Keep going. Yep. Even further. Look,
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: you have, in that position, you could be the strongest
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: man on earth, and you have no power.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: For sure.
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  Speaker 2: This one was the OA sack.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this comes out of a loaded front, which every
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: team now, every defense in the league does. Loaded front
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: means you've got three defensive linemen to one side of
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: the center. Some teams then also bring a linebacker from
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: the other side. So they dictate a one-on-one matchup across
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: the board, what's called 5-0 protection. So yeah, this is,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: and they stunt, they stunt it off this again. Now
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: this one is, is, you know, Jalen, I think felt
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: that the whole way, felt that there was going to
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: be pressure. So this. Yeah.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I thought he could have stepped up a
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: little bit.
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  Speaker 4: He didn't step up. And I think he probably would
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: have looked to throw. But then he feels to his
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: front side. He feels that. Yeah. And the last thing
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: you want is to start your delivery and feel like
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: a guy can knock the ball away. For sure.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: And then the last play that I want to– is
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: the Goddard touchdown. There was some– I guess some controversy.
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: Washington thought that Goddard was moving or maybe the left
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: side of the line was.
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: Well, Goddard's allowed to move there. He was moving laterally,
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: so it just.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Became a motion. Laterally, right.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: Right. But as long as nobody.
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: Else is moving there, Goddard's allowed to do that.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: What about moving forward though, Greg, before the ball is
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: snapped or as the ball is snapped?
• 33:30
  Speaker 6: He can't do that, but he's not moving forward, is he? No,
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: but they can't have two guys in motion.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: But I don't think two guys were. No, no, no.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying that's why it's not.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: No, but see, there is an angle.
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know if I add the other one where
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: he kind of hops up and down as the ball
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: is being snapped. So I think that might've been Washington's,
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: issue with it, but clearly they didn't play.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you can tell some guys thought that the play
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: was going to be stopped.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: And by the way, Jeff, there's some trust between Hurts
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: and Goddard there. You can just see it because Goddard
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: wasn't open yet. He was getting open.
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: He wasn't open yet.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: Well, also, Dale knew that the guy who was playing Goddard,
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: I believe, was at Stiles, and he was on the
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: line of scrimmage. So he had to run back and,
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: you know, half turn his back to it. So he
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: was not in good position to play the in-breaker spot throw.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: Gray throw so look at goddard now greg he's got
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: his left foot in the air a little bit because
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: he's still in the middle of that motion if that's
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: okay if that's okay right as the ball is snapped
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: though i just i saw a little bit of a
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: motion so i didn't know if that.
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: But he wasn't going forward he's allowed to move he's
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: a motion player he's allowed to move.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah it was almost like he switched legs you know
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: what i'm saying like right leg forward yeah i guess
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: that's okay yeah right ball.
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: He was moving laterally he's in motion Yeah, I.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: Can see why Washington was confused. But I think in
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: the end, you're right. There was nothing you can do. Hey,
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  Speaker 3: up You know, that was the underrated part was that
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: he caught the ball and then did a little pivot
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: and took it upfield.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: I'll tell you what, he looked pretty spry for a
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: 31-year-old by then.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: He sure did.
• 35:57
  Speaker 6: 31 years old, pretty good.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: Like I said, and those clips show it, I thought
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: Jalen played really, really well. Like, I thought he saw
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: things right. I thought he was comfortable. There was no
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: sense of, oh, my God, let me get out of
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: here and run around when I don't need to. I
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: thought he played well. just a really strong, solid game.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: And he always has it in his back pocket. Like,
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: and obviously we didn't show it, but I mean the,
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: that 22 yard scramble on third and long that, you know,
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: something might've been the biggest play in the game, you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: where with the score and the situation at the time,
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: but you know, and Hey, and by the way, those
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: plays count and they mean something.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Next episode, we do the Eagles defense.
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