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Patriots Catch-22 3/25: Latest Pro Day and 30 Visit Updates, Roster Reset (defense) · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Blazarre and Lazarren.
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  Speaker 1: Hello, everybody nailed it, joined us.
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  Speaker 3: Always buying our bar cap cap. Here is Evan Lazar.
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  Speaker 1: And Alex bar So do you want to bet on
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  Speaker 1: Ross speed or Ross strength?
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  Speaker 3: You know my answer? I know because I can tell
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  Speaker 3: Chris Brazzl when he gets here on April twenty fifth
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  Speaker 3: or whatever, the day after the first round. Hey, buddy,
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  Speaker 3: hit the weight room.
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  Speaker 1: Well he's gonna Breyton shorts on April twenty bit. You're
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  Speaker 1: gonna be all excited, n camp.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 3: You know rookie Mini Caam, He's gonna run a nine round.
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be like the hell Yeah, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: you know exactly who we will bring up.
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  Speaker 3: I know that is fair.
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  Speaker 1: You can hit the weight room. You can hit the
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  Speaker 1: weight room, you can't hit the speed room. That's fair.
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  Speaker 3: That is fair, all right, everybody. I can't hear anything
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  Speaker 3: in here, So that's why I can not that I
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  Speaker 3: need to hear anything from this point on, I guess.
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  Speaker 3: But we didn't all so lovely open, which is actually
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  Speaker 3: pretty fine with me because I'm one of those people.
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  Speaker 3: I hate hearing the sound of my own voice. I
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  Speaker 3: don't like my voice. I hate hearing it. It's one
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  Speaker 3: of those types of things I have to get over
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  Speaker 3: in this industry.
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  Speaker 1: But that's just the way that I am. I guess
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  Speaker 1: we do have to hear the callers here, right. I
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  Speaker 1: don't mind hear my voice. I just only see myself
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  Speaker 1: on kre.
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  Speaker 3: Oh it's both. It's both, you know, I would rather
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  Speaker 3: not now, every once in a while, you got to
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  Speaker 3: do it. And when we got g Mat on the case,
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  Speaker 3: I got to watch myself and listen, watch the tape,
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  Speaker 3: you know, have him grade me and all that good stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So it's fun. Uh yeah, we're good now. We're good now.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't know when we were starting. We were just
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  Speaker 3: talking about our approach to very lazy approaches to college
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  Speaker 3: that we got through. I was actually talking to Mike
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  Speaker 3: g reesea yesterday. I think it's his daughter is on
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  Speaker 3: is nearing the end of high school, and I swear
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  Speaker 3: we're good on topic after this. Nearing the end of
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  Speaker 3: high school, so she's kind of looking that colleges and
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  Speaker 3: one of the college establishment's fine establishment. She's looking at college. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: absolutely was talking it up, So that was fun. No
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  Speaker 3: socks also a bomber as well, from a different chapter
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  Speaker 3: of history, but you know, same college. All right, Hello everybody.
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  Speaker 3: Evan Lazar, Alex Barth is behind the glass. That's how
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  Speaker 3: you know it's an off season show. And I ramble
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  Speaker 3: like that about.
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  Speaker 1: Non the off season, though I saw some tweet the
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  Speaker 1: other day that was like the dead season of the
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  Speaker 1: NFL's we are are not remotely close to the dead season. No,
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  Speaker 1: that's we will get to the dark days of summer.
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  Speaker 3: That's June and July, which here at this stadium is
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  Speaker 3: going to be World Cup CenTra.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know, so it's gonna be tough.
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. I'll be coming from the beach.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a dead period of the off season
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  Speaker 3: is right after Mini camp ends and the spring practices
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  Speaker 3: and for the players, and then it doesn't start up
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  Speaker 3: again until training camp and that's when everybody goes on vacation.
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  Speaker 3: So today's show, we'll start with some news. I'll get
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  Speaker 3: to some of these thirty visits reported. I should mention
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  Speaker 3: thirty visits pro Day's all that good stuff. Alex and
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  Speaker 3: I were both out in Chestnut Hill at Boston College
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  Speaker 3: on Monday. So not a ton of top prospects coming
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  Speaker 3: out of that program this year, but still some things
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  Speaker 3: to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: There's at least one legit Patriots target.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and we were there with Mike Rabele and Ryan
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  Speaker 3: Cowden and Doug Maron, Mike Smith, the Patriots outside linebackers,
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  Speaker 3: coach Tony Kinkayla. They're a director of college scouting, so
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  Speaker 3: they had a nice contingent on hand.
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  Speaker 1: I'll just throw this out there too, because I got
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  Speaker 1: this question when we were listening off the names, people
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  Speaker 1: wondering where Elliott Wolf was. He was at it almost yah.
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  Speaker 1: So he was down at the you for that pro day,
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  Speaker 1: which was the main event this year.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently like unbelievable those defensive linemen. We I guess they
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  Speaker 3: put on an absolute show.
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  Speaker 1: For everything we hyped up being like college football fans,
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  Speaker 1: that Ohio State defense, and I still think that Ohio
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  Speaker 1: State defense is, you know, one of the best we've
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  Speaker 1: seen in college football in this decade. That Miami defense, Like,
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  Speaker 1: looking back on it, yeah, slept on underrated real talent.
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  Speaker 1: I really hope we do recency bias guys today. I
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  Speaker 1: got a couple certainly somebody I was texting you about
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  Speaker 1: him the other day on that Miami defense, not one
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  Speaker 1: of alignment naturally in the secondary, but.
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  Speaker 3: The whole the whole defense.
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  Speaker 1: The whole defense is a lot of talent. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: Fernana Mendoz didn't really play anybody.
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  Speaker 3: So let's you know, since we're on the subject of
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  Speaker 3: the pro days, we can start to go through some
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  Speaker 3: of the pro day stuff that I wanted to hit on.
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  Speaker 3: Let's just start with BC. I know it's not the
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  Speaker 3: biggest program. I know it's not you know, Miami or
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  Speaker 3: LSU or Alabama or something like that, but you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: a couple guys that are realistic Patriots targets, and I
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  Speaker 3: think they have three or four of those guys on
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  Speaker 3: Day three that if they were end up being Patriots somewhere.
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  Speaker 3: Like I said, on the third day of the draft,
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  Speaker 3: none of us would be surprised. But I was also
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  Speaker 3: just a little bit. I thought it was cool watch
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  Speaker 3: you know, got to watch him last year to do
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  Speaker 3: the same type of thing. But Rabel just can't help
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  Speaker 3: himself when there's football going on, and he tries in
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  Speaker 3: the beginning to kind of stay in the back a
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  Speaker 3: little bit and be a little bit more hands off,
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  Speaker 3: especially during the athletic testing portion. I think he could
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  Speaker 3: really care less about what the stopwatch says. But as
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  Speaker 3: soon as those positional drills started for the lineman, especially
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  Speaker 3: but really particularly the offensive lineman, he was right in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of that thing. And he's given pointers and
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  Speaker 3: coaching tips on the fly to guys that he might
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  Speaker 3: not every even coach. You know, I just think that
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  Speaker 3: it's it's an itch that he has to scratch when
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  Speaker 3: he's around the game, when he's around football, when he's
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  Speaker 3: around a practice type setting like that, he just can't
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  Speaker 3: help himself. So yeah, I mean watching him is kind
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  Speaker 3: of fun, honestly.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, he's talked about this, right his parents
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  Speaker 1: are teachers and coach like he's a teacher at hard
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  Speaker 1: and he wants to teach whether he's gonna you know,
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  Speaker 1: I think there's something in it, you know, instinct in that,
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  Speaker 1: Like he may not end up coaching the guy at
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  Speaker 1: the NFL level, but he sees somebody he has information
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  Speaker 1: he can impart on them, and he wants to do
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  Speaker 1: that because that's just his instinct. And I think that's awesome. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So Ray bowls in the middle of a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the line drills, as you could expect.
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  Speaker 3: Doug Moron was running the offensive line drills, which isn't
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  Speaker 3: too surprising, and then Mike Smith was basically running the
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  Speaker 3: pass rush drills for the outside linebackers too, so the
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  Speaker 3: Patriots were heavily involved. I think it's great. I understand
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  Speaker 3: that some people have questions of, well, should Mike Rabel
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  Speaker 3: be with Elliot Wolf at Miami or be at one
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  Speaker 3: of these other big pro days. I believe Clemson might
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  Speaker 3: have been in the same day range or something like
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  Speaker 3: that as well, like should he be no disrespect whatsoever
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  Speaker 3: in Boston College. But you know, at a bigger.
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  Speaker 1: The volume, there's more players.
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  Speaker 3: And I think that it's really cool that he supports
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  Speaker 3: Bill O'Brien, which is the biggest thing. Of course, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Bill Brian gave him his first job in the NFL
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  Speaker 3: with the Houston Texans as their linebackers, so it's a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of that. It's a little bit of giving
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  Speaker 3: some buzz to the BC Pro Day. I would probably
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  Speaker 3: go just because I'm a SICKO. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: as many media would show up if they knew that
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  Speaker 3: Mike Rabel wasn't coming so there was a good amount
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  Speaker 3: of media contingent there because of his presence, so I
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  Speaker 3: think he's trying to do a friend of solid But
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  Speaker 3: at the same time, the biggest name to me that
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  Speaker 3: come coming out of that program that I actually really
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  Speaker 3: find very interesting is Jude Bowry, their tackle who had
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  Speaker 3: a really good combine tested over a nine relative athletic score.
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  Speaker 3: Do you say, ras or rash r s Okay over
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  Speaker 3: nine off at the combine, very very athletic tackle. Training
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  Speaker 3: with Dante Scarnekia, which is always fun. I mean that's
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  Speaker 3: been going on since O'Brien got to BC, so not
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  Speaker 3: not really necessarily a huge thing, but always just a
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  Speaker 3: little interesting anecdote.
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  Speaker 1: But watch I do think it's interesting too, And he
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  Speaker 1: talked about this just to throw on top of that.
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  Speaker 1: Not only has he worked with Dante Scarnecci on the side,
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  Speaker 1: he worked with Doug Moroon because Marone worked at BC
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  Speaker 1: before he was here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very familiar with the way the Patriots want their
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  Speaker 1: offensive line run.
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  Speaker 3: So all those guys last year, Kendall Trapillo, they all
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  Speaker 3: went through the same thing where they worked with Moron
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  Speaker 3: and then trained for the draft with Dante Scarnecia. They
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  Speaker 3: did end up with Conley. Jack Conley for a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: He had a cup of coffee with the Patriots, was
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  Speaker 3: on the ninety man roster during training camp, so they
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  Speaker 3: did have somebody in the building that was through that pipeline.
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  Speaker 3: But Jude Bowery, I think is strongly in play with
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  Speaker 3: one twenty five or one thirty one in the fourth round.
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  Speaker 3: If he even gets to.
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  Speaker 1: That, I was gonna say it might be ninety five. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: because I'll give you the sex size real quick. But
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  Speaker 1: this happens every year. There's not enough tackles. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: now when I look at the consensus, bort kind of
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  Speaker 1: add to twenty thirty picks to every tackle. Remember, Kayden
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  Speaker 1: Wallace was an example of this. Katean Wallace went earlier
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  Speaker 1: than projected, but in terms of like the order of tackles,
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  Speaker 1: he went where he was supposed to go whatever he
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  Speaker 1: was like the eighth, ninth, tenth tackle because they were
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  Speaker 1: all just going early. So just to give you right
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  Speaker 1: now where they are in the consensus board, Evan the
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  Speaker 1: true tackle. So this is not we'll go through it.
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  Speaker 1: So when we go A, now we GOA is six,
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  Speaker 1: Fina is eleven. Monroe Frieling is twelve, Caan Proctor's twenty one,
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  Speaker 1: Caleb Loomu is twenty two, Blake Miller's thirty one. Maxi
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  Speaker 1: Honachour is thirty eight. So all potential either locks or
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  Speaker 1: potential first round picks. So Maxi Honitor again thirty eight.
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  Speaker 1: The next tackle, just how the big board has the
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  Speaker 1: consents big board that we use is Jennings Dunker at
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  Speaker 1: fifty nine. Now one, that's a twenty pick drop two.
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  Speaker 1: Jennings Dunker is probably not a tackle. Next up Caleb
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  Speaker 1: Tiernan sixty nine guard. That's right, So.
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  Speaker 3: Maxi two and a quarter in charms.
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  Speaker 1: Maxi Honachur again is thirty eight. The next true tackle
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  Speaker 1: and the consensus board is crown Over at one oh three. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: So are you telling me we're going to go seventy
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  Speaker 1: something picks without a tackle? There's basically gonna be no
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  Speaker 1: tackles on day two. No, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that there's a chance that there's a
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  Speaker 1: very wide gap. So there might be a gap. But
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  Speaker 1: like the next guy, But okay, so Crownovers at one
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  Speaker 1: o three.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Next up is Brian Parker at one o eight. He
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  Speaker 1: might be a center guard a center. Then it's Bowery
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  Speaker 1: at one nineteen, Markel Bellet at one twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: Right, and so Isaiah World's in there, but he's coming off.
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  Speaker 1: To al Austin Barber's in there one thirty three if
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  Speaker 1: we want to put him in that same group. But
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  Speaker 1: like here's my point, ire on the big boarders at
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  Speaker 1: thirty eight, Yeah, even if he falls a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: because there's more first round tackles, right, Okay, so we
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  Speaker 1: go somewhere in the forties. We're going forty picks without
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  Speaker 1: a tackle, probably not but but but we but when
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  Speaker 1: we do this, but there's gonna be my point. There's
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  Speaker 1: gonna sorry, go ahead, because IM gonna explain you're talk
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  Speaker 1: about to run. I'm gonn explain it.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So Crownover, who's at one oh three on the on
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  Speaker 1: the big board, now go somewhere in the seventies or eighties. Well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at that as a team. He's twenty or
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  Speaker 1: thirty picks ahead where he was supposed to be. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so I can't wait for Jude Bowery at one nineteen
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  Speaker 1: because there there gonna be another thirty forty picks like
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  Speaker 1: his Crown Over gonna be the only tackle to go
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  Speaker 1: between forty and one to twenty. So now he gets
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  Speaker 1: bumped up, so you know, one nineteen he might be
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  Speaker 1: about the one hundred to one hundred and twentieth best
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  Speaker 1: player in the draft. He's gonna go higher than that
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  Speaker 1: because there's not enough tackles, so if they want. I
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  Speaker 1: think Jude Bowery is very relevant to the Patriots, very
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  Speaker 1: because if they're not gonna take Blake Miller or Ihana
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  Speaker 1: Chore at thirty one or after a slight trade back,
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  Speaker 1: you're probably talking about ninety five being where you're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get that developmental right tackle. I don't think it's one
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  Speaker 1: twenty five. Maybe it's one twenty five, but you're getting
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  Speaker 1: a lesser player. That's maybe where you're talking about Isaiah World,
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  Speaker 1: who's coming off of torn acl for Markel Bell, who's
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  Speaker 1: all framed and really is a projection. If you want
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  Speaker 1: a guy that's going to come in, you know, a
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  Speaker 1: potentially year one guy, not a day one guy, but
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  Speaker 1: a potentially year one guy. I think you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: ninety five and it's crown Over, it's Bowery, and it's
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  Speaker 1: Austin Barbie might be able to wait on a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: But like, I think, dude, Bowery's really really, really relevant
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  Speaker 1: to the Patriots.
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  Speaker 3: Agreed. I think that there are different type of players
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  Speaker 3: to him and crown Over. Crownover is typical power based
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  Speaker 3: tackle prospect that we've seen in the past, kind of
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  Speaker 3: on that right side with the Patriots. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: always go back to like Marcus Cannon, right, who's yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that that big, powerful tackle, bulldozing tackle that would be
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  Speaker 3: crown Over. Bowerie is an athlete like Bowery in my opinion,
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  Speaker 3: out of all of these guys, like he has the
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  Speaker 3: best pass protection tools because he has that ability to
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  Speaker 3: get out of his stance. He's extremely you know what
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  Speaker 3: the offensive line guys like to call springy, where he
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  Speaker 3: just kind of bounces out of his stance and he's
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  Speaker 3: able to get to landmarks really quickly in his pass
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  Speaker 3: set and cut off those initial angles. He can range,
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  Speaker 3: you know, he has you know, good range at pass protection.
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  Speaker 3: He can move his feet, he's got good foot speed
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  Speaker 3: to mirror rushers high side and escort them past quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: we saw and the on field drills, his work in
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  Speaker 3: the zone blocks, you know, the reach blocks, the backside cutoffs,
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  Speaker 3: things like that, really impressive speed to power, conversion, leverage,
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  Speaker 3: ability to get out in space. He looked different reaching,
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  Speaker 3: especially than the other guys that were going through the drill.
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  Speaker 3: And they have some other guys, you know, Logan Thomas
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  Speaker 3: is going to be maybe a late day three, you know,
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  Speaker 3: priority free agent type of player. So it's not like
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  Speaker 3: they had no other offensive line talent that was working out.
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  Speaker 3: He looked different than those guys. The one thing that
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  Speaker 3: I would say, well, I guess it's kind of related
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  Speaker 3: to two things. His Clemson tape was was up and down,
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  Speaker 3: and that's the best competition he faced. He went up
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  Speaker 3: against TJ. Parker a handful of times, five pressures against Clemson.
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  Speaker 3: In particular, just from what is the issue, he mentioned
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  Speaker 3: that he's been working on his punch with Dante Scarnekia.
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  Speaker 3: That is the biggest thing in his game right now
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  Speaker 3: that needs refinement is his punch, especially his outside hand.
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  Speaker 3: I would say, and I'm sure there's a more technical
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  Speaker 3: way to put this. It's a particularly weak outside hand.
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  Speaker 3: And so once he gets engaged with the rusher, TJ.
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  Speaker 3: Parker especially was able to just kind of power right
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  Speaker 3: through his punch and then that creates a soft corner,
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  Speaker 3: soft edge, and then you're at the quarterback right. So
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  Speaker 3: I really like a lot of elements of his game.
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  Speaker 3: I actually think that his anchor and like his base
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  Speaker 3: is pretty sturdy. He just has to improve his hands
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  Speaker 3: and maybe Coach Scar can get him there by the
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  Speaker 3: time his rookie season comes around. And I just look
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  Speaker 3: at him as a perfect swing tackle early on in
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  Speaker 3: his rookie contract, potentially pushing for starting role. I think
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  Speaker 3: that he could also play inside eventually if you wanted
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  Speaker 3: him to do that instead, if that was where the
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  Speaker 3: opportunity to present.
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  Speaker 1: Well, And we talked about it last week, having a
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  Speaker 1: little extra depth on the inside, just given Vera Tucker's
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  Speaker 1: injury history and Jared Wilson is going to be a
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  Speaker 1: first year starter at center, they might want a little
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  Speaker 1: extra depth on the inside and maybe that and manifests
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  Speaker 1: itself in a four position backup swing tackle rather than
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  Speaker 1: just keeping an extra guard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, who else did you like there? Because I think,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if he's for them because
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  Speaker 3: of their situation at wide receiver. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: they had another one of these guys, but I was
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  Speaker 3: pretty impressed with Lewis Bond and I watched his tape
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  Speaker 3: over the weekend just to have some sort of background
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  Speaker 3: on him before the pro day, and look like he's
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: Is he too much like efton Chism Probably, you know,
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: it's probably redundant theft and Chislm. But if they feel
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: like e ft and Chisholm needs to be pushed or
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: is in there, you know, the answer or whatever the
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: case may be. Really efficient route runner, really crisp at
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: the first two levels, understands all of the news of
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: that role from a mental processing standpoint, with coverage sure handed. Yeah,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: you know, there's a lot of things to like. I
• 16:07
  Speaker 3: like that he's got a little bit more girth and
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: size to him than some of the you know, Pop Douglas,
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: Josh Downs type slots. You know, he's five ten five
• 16:14
  Speaker 3: eleven hundred and ninety pounds. I just don't know if
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: they need another player in that mold. It's kind of redundant.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I kind of feel the same about Lewis Bond
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: and Logan Taylor. I think they both bring something to
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the table. Taylor is a multi position offensive line backup.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: Can he might be able to play four spots, you know,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Bond's just kind of a sure handed, steady wide receiver.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: I got to see I see both of them in person,
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: but you know, really Bond when I did those sideline
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: games from last year, and like he looks, he stands
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: out like he looks different. He looks the way you'd
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: want an NFL player to look on the field with
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: college players, especially when they when they played Notre Dame.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: Like he had a solid I thought he had a
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: solid performance against probably the best opponent I saw them
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: against at least. But I'm with you, like with Lewis Bond,
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: he's too similar to e Fton Chisholm Logan Taylor I
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: think is pretty similar to Ben Brown. Yeah, and that
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: he's gonna play a similar role. With either of them,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I'd be like, I think they're good football players. Bring
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: them in if you know, as a UDFA, I think
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: especially you know Bond's going to get drafted, would Taylor
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: or Taylor will get drafted to Like I just I
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: feel like those are kind of specific roles. You already
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: have players in those specific roles. I don't know if
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: there's room for two of those players. They're both NFL players,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: they both should be drafted it's kind of nuts Bond
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: didn't get invited to the Combine. Yeah, I just think
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: the Patriots already have those guys.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: I would love to know what the there's a I
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: think there's like a committee, right that decides who gets
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: invited to the Combine, and there's like a board at
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: the NFL puts in charge of it. This is a
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: guy that broke Za Flowers his career receptions record at
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Boston College, a receiver that was a first round pick
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: not too long ago and just made a Pro Bowl
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: with the Baltimore Ravens. Like, so we're talking about a
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: really really good player with a Flowers and Lewis Bond
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: broke his record, his school record, and then doesn't get
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: invited to the Combine. You know when we were there,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: I had you know, some Scots tell me that he
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: ran in like the four or five eight range, which
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: doesn't sound great on the surface, but when you think
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: about the type of player that he is, it's not
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: that he's a change.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: He's a pure change.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: Like I was texting you about, you know, Ristrepo last
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: year Zambia. Ristrepro ran like a four to eight. That's
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: deal breaking, right, Like that's that's alarm Bells.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: Is Bond kind of just like a And I mean
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: he also went undrafted too, so maybe this isn't like
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: the best camp because I was going to say, like
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: kind of the lower level. But as a prospect, is
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: he just kind of like a shorter Jacoby Myers, like
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you're trying to get the same kind of thing out.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that, you know, if you had
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: to compare him just stereotypically to the other Patriots slot
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: receivers in the past, like he probably from a strictly
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: athletic profile standpoint, really fits like Danny A Mondola type
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: of mold, just in terms of like speed and athleticism. Uh,
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: in terms of play style, I I guess I probably
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: leaned a little bit towards like the the Eftin chishm
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: type of mold. Still, you know, like I think, I
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: just mean in terms of like because Jacoby I just
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: looked it up, ran a four to six three. Jacoby
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: was tall, So that's a smaller version of yeah player,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if he because Jacoby's height and catch
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: radius allows him to win.
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: Enough.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think that Bond is going to be
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: first and second level. Yeah, the one big concern with
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: him was obviously the play speed in the straight line speed,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: because I didn't really see him separate a whole lot
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: on fades or on crossing routes. Particularly the crossing routes
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: is the one that I think is the biggest one.
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: If you're not going to get the vertical stretch from
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: the slot that you can live around that the fact
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: that the guy can't you know, run the slot fade
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: or run a seam or something like that. But you
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: want your slot receiver to be able to win horizontally
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: across the field on crossers. So what do you think
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: of Q Hutchins? Are you any any interest?
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I mean the UDFA, he's like, I'd like seeing me
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: a little quicker for his size. That's that's the big
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: thing for me.
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got good bend on the edge and he
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: can turn the corner, and I think he plays a
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: little bit bigger than his size. His measurables suggest I
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: think he was worried. It sounded like, just based off
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: his press conference was he was worried about his speed.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: So I think I bet you he played closer to
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: two forty and maybe cut weight for this portion of
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: the off season. But I just I think that he
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: plays the position just as a stand up outside guy
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: relatively like the Patriots want them. It to be played
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: with some explosiveness and some bend off the edge. But
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I'm with you, he's pretty small. He's pretty light, especially
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: for that spot. All Right, So that was Boston College.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: It was a fun day. Glad, Glad we were able
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: to at least see like a semi you know, a
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: D one program in the ACC that does have draftable talent.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: It is cool to have that right down the street.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: A couple more things from pro days that have just
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: been kicking around. We haven't been at these physically, but
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: one of our guys, I think we professed our love
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: to Harold Perkins last week ran a four to three eight.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Think he should play running.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, he's one of those guys that there's always
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: a couple of these every single year where the tea
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: the college team did not figure him out yet, But like,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I don't feel like LSU was really able to maximize.
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: They tried him on the line of scrimmage as a
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: pass rusher, they tried him at linebacker, they tried him
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: at the star Like I there's there's got to be
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: a way to get that kind of athlete to be
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: a productive football.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I pushed back on that a little bit, I because
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: they did as a freshman. I just wonder if he
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: was the passer as a freshman.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: He's doing a little bit of everything, but mainly that
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: I do wonder if some of that is just he
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't right last year coming like off, he's working his
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: way back from the injury. I think that's part of it.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's probably fair. I think that there's two
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: kinds of roles that you could probably play him at.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: One is obviously weak side linebacker, which feels like the
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: right role, like when you have that kind of speed,
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: you know, to play a player like that a week
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: side linebacker. The coverage assignments that he can handle the
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: sideline to sideline against the run, like he's not going
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: to be the sledgehammer at the point of attack as often,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: so he can just kind of range over the top
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: of everything and go sideline to sideline right. The other one,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I guess would would probably be the nickel or the
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: star role as they call it at LSU, where he's
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: playing basically slot defender, where probably not going to do
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: that against three receiver sets, but could against bigger personnel
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: if you're playing teams that play a lot of twelve
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: or a lot of twenty one personnel with a full
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: back or an extra tight end, then yeah, like you
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: could probably play him in the slot a little bit.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Like that too, Like, yeah, i'd like seem rush in
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: the pass or more than that.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: But so they used him the tape, the tapes that
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: I saw of him last year at LSU, they used
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: him a lot as an in in line or off
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: ball blitzer where it was interesting he kind of like
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: started in a track stance, like a two point track stance,
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: and then just like would run like clearly tipping that
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: he was blitzing. Yeah, which was you know, had a
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: couple of good rushes. But I think that maybe getting
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: a little bit more you know, distinctive like instinctive sorry, yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: and like disguisey where like it doesn't tip to the
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: offense that he's clearly blitzing, right that, I think he
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: could kind of be a little bit more effective. So
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm still all in on him. I
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: don't know how high he goes, but it could be
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: in the third round. After that Pro day because some
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: coach and some coaching staff is going to look at
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: him and be like, I know how to use I
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: know how to use them, Like draft him and I
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: know how to use them.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Who goes higher him or Kyle Lewis.
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: It's a good question. I would say Kyle Lewis has
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: right now is maybe a little bit more polished at
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: linebacker than Perkins is. But I think Perkins is going
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: to be a better pull.
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So that's the crazy thing though, is like I wonder
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: how many teams look at Kyle Lewis as a safety.
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Maybe I wonder if teams are gonna try
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to do with Kyle Lewis what the Pagers try to
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: do with Marte Maphu.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I could see that, and I'd.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Play him a linebacker and just hey, he's only probably
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: gonna play on passing downs. That's fine. Even if he's
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: only on the field forty percent of the time, He's
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: going to make a great impact a forty percent of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: a time, and I think that's worth a third round pick.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: It's copycat league. Yeah, Nick aim and Worry is now
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: the darling. He's chicken technically a safety, but he's a
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: big safety.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: Do you think there are more linebackers or more safeties
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: that can do that? Whitney Kiman Worriy does so.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: I think this is kind of a cool cyclical thing.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: That's a great catch twenty two topic. Yeah, I was
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: looking for all the big safeties in this draft. Yeah,
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: you can't find them because all the big safeties are
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: now line linebackers. So like, if you're two twenty plus
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: with range and with you know, cover skills, there's an
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: LB next to your name now in the college game
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: instead of ans.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: Because if you run a four to six, four six
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: is a linebacker's outstanding of four to six is a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: safety not so much?
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: Right, So, all, if you're looking for him and worry
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: types outside of you know, obviously McNeil Warren at the
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: very very top of the draft, you're really a looking
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: for linebackers at the college level, yeah, that are going
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: to probably have some hybrid element to them at the
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: pro level. You know, could these guys like Perkins and
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Lewis play in the deep part of the field. Probably
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: not the box safety, yeah, but they are essentially new
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: age box safeties.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Right well, Perkins, I hesitated that. I think he's a
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: true linebacker. Yeah, but he can do some safety stuff.
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: Hey, Moore to me is like if Jamal if the
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Jets had figured Jamal Adams out correctly.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Okay, kind of thing I could see that. I think
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: that his pass rush ability is really really good.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But he's too good a pass rush to be a safety, yes.
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: And I don't think that he has even though he
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: ran a four to three eight. Yeah, he's a His
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: hips and stuff are not going to allow him to
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: like be a deep safety that's changing directions out of
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: his pedal and all that kind of stuff. The other
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: thing that I think made some headlines out of the
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Pro day circuit was Baylor tight end Michael Trigg jumps
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: twenty seven and a half inches. I haven't seen it
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: confirmed Pro Day forty time for him yet, but I
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: don't want to pick too much on Michael true, but
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: this is more just about getting back into this tight
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: end class you do not want to be badly.
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Trigg was dealing with an injury and you can kind
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: of see it in the jump. I just don't know
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: why he jumped, because I've seen him on the football
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: field he can jump higher than that.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: I wonder if this is a Kaishon Boody running the
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: forty on a bad ankle kind of thing.
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: You do not want to be a pass catching tight end.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: That's not athletic. No, that's not that's the thing.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: Like watching him, Yeah, like I've seen him. I know
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I've seen him jump higher than that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: I was surprised. I mean, he's an explosive guy off
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: the line, and even if it's not like just simply
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: watching him jump for the ball, like, you can definitely
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: see the explosiveness. But I I guess maybe I should
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: show him some grace if there's an injury or something
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: like that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I just yet here it is nursing a hamstright injury.
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: I just still remain against don't jump this type of player.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: I I just can't get myself to buy into it.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I like Michael Trigg, not for the Patriots, I can't.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: I'm going to draft into it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: If you're going to draft a fifty to fifty ball guy,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: go get a receiver. Also, if you really like Michael Trigg,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've watched this guy. Daikwon
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Wright from Ole Miss to be pretty similar player expected
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: to go much later. I don't really understand why. Maybe
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: it's because the ole Miss offense is gimmicky.
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll get to an ole Miss player in a second.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I like Trick, not for the Patriots.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: I just if I'm gonna draft one of them, I
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: know he's gonna go higher. But like, at least Store
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: is tested unbelievably well, right, so you know that you
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: have confirmation of great receiving upside from his tape, great
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: athletic profile from the combine. Right, so that guy is
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: a freak, right, Like he's he's a freak athlete and
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: it shows on the film. I can't I can sort
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: of get behind that one for that reason. Now, I
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: don't know where they draft him, because I think he's
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: going to be a top sixty five. You know he's
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: gonna go someplace early, and it's hard for me to
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: envision a scenario where they have a spot to draft, Like,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: is he going to be there at the end of
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: the second round. If he is, you even want to
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: draft him that high. Trig. I I'm kind of out
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: on Trig. I'm not just because of the Pro Day.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: I also just did love the profile at the beginning.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, now we've been pretty clear on this show
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: and whether it's it's Stower's trig Jolie uh Cozy ol
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: like the pure receiving tight end.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched You want to sign r J.
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: Maryland as UDFA by all means, that would be the
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: one guy I.
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: Watched Cozy the other day. Dude catches everything, catches everything,
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: absolutely catches everything, doesn't block and really is not that fast.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: No, he's a he's a fifty to fifty red zone. Yes, like,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and that's a really good second tight end. And I
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: guess if if he's still there in a sixth round, right, sure,
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: but that's not you know, I would hope the tight
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: end they're drafting has the upside to take over for
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Hunter Henry and they're not back in the market for
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: number one tight end next year. And I think with
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: cozyal would be like, well he's a really good number two, right,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: but we're still looking for a Hunter end resuccessor now
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: you're probably back in the top one hundred for a
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: tight end next year.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: Probably has the best ball skills out of anybody in
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: the draft that position, though, like he's he's got great myths,
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: like that guy catches everything, he finishes through contact. He
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: can go above the rim and catch the football red zone.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: As you mentioned, like, he's got some real myths on him.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: So we're on tight end. So let's just you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: knock out the rest of this tight end topic here.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: So I wanted to talk about some of the thirty
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: visits that have been reported that the Patriots have had recently.
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: It's not necessarily always the best indicator. They did draft
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: a couple guys from their thirties last year, and I
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: would say it's a very good indicator of the positions
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: that they're looking at. You know, it might not be
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: the player that they draft, but these positions. So let's
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: just stick on the tight ends. Because we're on the
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: topic they reportedly are having or had Oscar Delp in
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: here for a thirty visit. Where do you currently stand
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: on our Oscar Delp? Because I feel like what.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: Happened with the the party everybody.
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: What happened with Oscar Delp though, is that he started
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: as this like fringe top one hundred player. Now that
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: he's had this great pre draft, he's going up, up,
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: up and up. And what I can't understand figure out
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: yet is was the media just late in the league
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: always had him up or are we counting things twice?
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: And by counting things twice, I mean we know on
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: tape that he's this explosive athlete. Just because he tested
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: like an explosive athlete doesn't mean that you should raise
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: him up around It means that.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: He don't change your grade based on what you knew.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's probably like eighty twenty ninety ten. The
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: thing with Delp is and I've talked about this, he
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: really didn't have any production in college. He's behind Brock Bauers,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: and then when Bauers leaves, they kind of take the
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: tight end. They really deemphasize that position of the offense.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: It's not because they didn't trust Delp. They got new
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: offensive coordinator who just didn't throw the tight ends as much.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: He also really suffered from the quarterback play. I don't
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: know how much you've actually gone back and watched Gunner
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Stockton did him no favorite.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there was one and up this scene where he
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: had the guy beat by like three or four steps,
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: and he underthrew it so badly that he almost had
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: to make like the Edelman Super Bowl catch.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was so you know, I always and
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: here's the other thing the teams know more than we do. Right,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: A guy stock shooting up sometimes is the media catching up.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: Agreed.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I said this from the beginning, Like when everybody was
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: picking a Delp at one thirty one in their mantra asse,
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: I said, you're not gonna be able to do that
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: once we get past the combine. Now he part of
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: it's got hurt and he missed the combine. He's playing
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: through a broken foot, which is also awesome, not that
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: he has a broken foot, but that he played through
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: it and didn't even know it was broken. So this
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: is kind of the jump. If he had this jump
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: after the combine, it would have been, well, that's the combine.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Like guys test well, they move up whatever. So it's
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: a unique situation. I always viewed him as a top
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: one hundred talent. I kind of wondered why he was lower.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: I think this is just the media catching up. If
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: you followed college football, if you watched him at Georgia,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: you saw and it is more potential than proven ability,
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: and the lack of production is going to hurt him
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: in the NFL team's eyes. And that's fair, that's fair.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: There are guys that have more catches more yards than him, certainly,
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: But if you watched him at Georgia and you kind
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: of saw what he was doing in the bubble of
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: that offense, he's top one hundred talent.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: I would agree that he's a top one hundred talent.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: I'm still not ready to say that he's higher than
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: like a third round pick because of the production. And look,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: this happens all the time at that position. I take
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: him at sixty three, that's high to me.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Like this happens.
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: All the time that position. I'll give you that caveat Yeah,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: that the athlete that doesn't have great college production. I
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: think George Kittle's kind of like the poster child for
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: this right and then explodes at the NFL level. I
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: think the thing about Delp though, to me, is that
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: he did have some opportunities to have more, yeah, you know,
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: more production, especially last year. You're drafting a guy that
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: had twenty catches last year twenty.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: So okay, here's my thing about taking him at sixty
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: three though.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: If you take him at sixty three, though, you're expecting
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: him to be a fifty plus catch guy for you.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I think he can do that in the NFL. Maybe
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: not in year one, but by the end of his
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: rookie contract certainly. Here here's my thing on taking him
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: at sixty three. This tight end class, we had this conversation.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: You remember this, like back in September. Is this a
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: good tight end class or not?
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: And you know there is no I guess there is
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: no Tyler Warren and with Colson Lovelin right, Sidiqku's a
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: good players, a unique player. This class is not top heavy.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: I think there's a really good tight end class in
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: the middle and at the bottom. It's definitely not top heavy. Yeah,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Kenyan City is going to go top twenty. Yeah, I
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: think he could go top ten personally, but he's going
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: to go top twenty. It's just like what we talked
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: about with the tackles. Eli Stower is going to go
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: top fifty.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Is Oscar delt the third best tight end in this class?
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I think there's a case for it. I don't hate
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: Max Claire, but I think there's a case either. Is
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: between those Is drafting the third best tight end to
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: pick sixty three? Crazy? If you need a tight end?
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: I guess the question to me because I think with
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: this tight end class, personally, I think there's no middle C.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: I think Sadika is the clear cut number one guy,
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: and then I think all these other guys that we've
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: discussed are clustered together. Well, whether you want to call
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: it like see, I'm looking at it as like one
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: really good player, no like you know, top fifty tight ends,
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: and then a bunch of guys that are gonna go
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: rounds like two through Oh see.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: I think the gap between like Claire, Rausch and Delp
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: versus guys like Injuries, Royer Rarden, that's a gap. To me,
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: that's a significant gap.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's as significant.
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's a big gap. I would rather get.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: You know, if you don't take is Rauscher, Claire gonna
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: be there at ninety five, is Delp couldn't be there
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: in ninety five. I don't think any of those guys will.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: Okay, But I think that this is the conversation, right like,
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: if you don't think those guys are gonna let's say,
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: let's say you're gonna have to take one of those
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: players at sixty three, would you rather take Oscar Delp
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: at sixty three or the next wave that you were
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: talking about in the fourth round.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I think I'd rather ticked out and maybe you trade
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: back from sixty three. Maybe that's what it is, you
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: trade a way up from ninety five.
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: But I think they're going to be better players at
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: other positions on the board at sixty three.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: So that, okay, that's fair. I'm not really I guess
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not considering that.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: So I think that's the biggest thing with this tight
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: end classes that I don't think there's a huge drop
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: off between probably eight to ten.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Isn't it just so easy you need to go edge
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: tight end tackle with the first three picks doesn't have
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: to line up that way.
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: There has to be a player there at tight end,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: Like I just I have a tough time thinking that they're.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Still Here's my point. If if Claire delp and Raush,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: if you have a really good feeling that they're all
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: going to be gone before ninety five, yes, I'd rather
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: reach on those guys than miss and again, maybe you
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: trade back. I think that's going to be a spot
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: where you can certainly trade back.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: I just feel like, is the drop off between Claire
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: delp Roush significant with rared and Andreies you know, Dalen
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Bentley from Utah. I think it is Jolly obviously from
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: NC state.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Joli's gonna be French top one hunderd guy, but he's
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: another one.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: You were talking about these guys like in clusters, right
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: and like that. I think that, well, so that's one
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: Deeks in his own cluster. Then there's like it's different.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think the drop off from delp Rousch and
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Claire to Jolie is as big as some of those
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: other guys just overall. But I don't think Jolie's the
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: kind of tight end they should be looking at.
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think our disagreement, if there is one, is
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: that I view this group clustered a lot closer.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not as big on the like Midday three tight ends.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: I feel like this group is. I feel like this
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: group flattens and then there's just a run of like
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: twelve guys to I said eight to ten. Maybe eight
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: to ten. Maybe I'm exaggerating of guys that are all
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: sort of clustered together. Do I think that Rausch and
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: delp and those guys are within the cluster or a
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: tier ahead of the others.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Probably, But I don't think that I think they're I
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: think of their own cluster that's interesting. I just I
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: think Delp has a different level his at his size,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: his ability to change direction kind of as a route runner,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: but mostly after the catch. Like he he's fluid, He's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: really fluid.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: But he also can.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: Struts the field vertically. I don't think because a lot
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: of times with tight ends they get pigeonholed into chain
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: mover versus downfield explosive threat like seems to I think
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Delp can do both, and there's just not that many guys,
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I get that that second group you're talking about.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: How many of those guys do you think realistically have
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: the ability to do both at the NFL level? Will
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: also being able to block. They might be better individually
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: as chain movers, They might be better individually as field stretchers.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: When I look at a tight end, I want I
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: want inspector gadget I go go gadget run the underneath, rout,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Go go gadget, run the scene, go go gadget block.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Like I want him to pull any be able to
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: pull any bag out of the hat, any anywhere. I
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: mix those up, back out of the hat, hat out
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: of the bag, whatever like that. That's what I like
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: about Delp. And that's what I think sets him apart
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: from those other guys. Rausch maybe isn't his versatile as
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: a receiver. He's a little more stiff. He's purely a
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: steam stretcher. But his blocking ability is so far above
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: those other guys that that's right while still being able
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: to be a capable of receiver. That's why I put
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: him that in that next level, and Claire's somewhere in
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: between that. I just I love the well rounded it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: I wrote it'll be up tomorrow. I wrote my tight
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: End preview for ninety five The Sports of dot Com.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Over the last couple of days, I kept having to
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: go to the Soreus because I needed synonyms for well rounded,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: because I was using the term well rounded so much
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: because that's really what I think, especially looking at Josh
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: McDaniel's history, right, that's what you want the tight End.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: You want a guy who can do a little bit
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: of everything and delp to me more so than anybody else.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: He's the Swiss Army Knife, He's Inspector Gadget.
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: So I think there's two other guys that are I
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: find in that mold. I think Eli Rariden has the
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: potential to be in that moldy but he's a little
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: bit tall and high cut, which his block.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: He also has an injury history.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I like Injuries from Texas a lot, and I like
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Bentley from Utah a lot. I think both those guys
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: are pretty well rounded. I think Injuries can block. I
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: think that he can stretch the seam.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Bentley was like a late breakout as a receiver though, right.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Bentley, though, I think is you know, an exciting
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: player to me, like six', four two fifty. PLUS i
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: think his blocking is actually a little bit raw right.
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: Now he's gonna get even better as a, blocker and
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: he can catch a football pretty loose with the, football you,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: know in terms of his like fluidity and stuff like,
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: that not loose with the ball in terms of. FUMBLES
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: i think that there's a little bit more there with
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: those two. Guys SO i, guess like the question, is
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: is you, know BECAUSE i Think raridan's kind of in
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: that category as. Well right if you put Like raridan
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Injuries bentley on the board around one twenty.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Five what about H, yeah watch as.
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: MUCH i haven't watched him as much because there's NOT
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: i don't have a ton Of cincinnati team.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: Okay but they're a Chef caldwell's PROT i saw, though like.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: He was a little, squatty like he was a LITTLE
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: i don't, know he just didn't do it for.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Me i'm not as big with him. Either i'm just
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: he's on the he's also kind of throwing, It YEAH i.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: Did he was one guy THAT i feel LIKE i
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: oh watching a little bit more of and Maybe i'm
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: just not seeing it quite, yet BUT i, thought like with,
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: him he's kind of a little bit of a short
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: strider and he's kind of like squatty. BUILD i had
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: the same issue with With, jolly to be honest with,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: you where LIKE i thought he's kind of stiff and
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: like because he's a smaller, guy like he doesn't have
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: those long like eat it up you know the seam
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: or you know the underneath crossers and things like. That
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: like he can get up to a pretty good speed,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: eventually but it's just takes a. WHILE i don't. Know
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: that's kind of HOW i felt Like royer two is
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: like more like. This probably that's probably a first level, player,
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: yeah you, know not really a guy that's gonna add
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: much field stretching. Element all, right let's get to some
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: of these other thirty visits because we could argue about
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: the tight ends for a. While so there are two
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: widers on the recent lists of. Reports we've talked a
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: lot About Casey conceptsio and on this. SHOW i don't
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: know how much more we need to really say About Casey.
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: CONCEPTSION i think that the one THING i would just
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: add with him is that reading and listening to some
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: other people in the draft community talk about, him it's
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: really just the ball skills that are holding people. Back
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: it's really just the fact that he had some drops
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: on his tape and doesn't have maybe the best ability
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: to finish through contact and at the catch, point because
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: the separation in the yards after catch are as good
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: as it is basically, ANYBODY i would say in this.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: Class the guy THAT i really do want to talk about,
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: though and debate a little bit with you about Is
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Design Stripling dejonjon stribbling From Ole Miss who is a
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: guy that YOU i think are this is one of your.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: Crushes it seems, like just LIKE i was watching, you
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: you know too many people to really have. CRUSHES i
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: feel like it's.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: NO i did you not just hear the WAY i
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: talked About Oscar.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: Dell you do really Liked that's. TRUE i do.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Actually have a guy that is probably becoming more of
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: a draft, crush but it's no. Level no stripling was.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: Work do you remember last year before The Senior, BOWL
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: i Watched Kyle williams and THEN i looked and he
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: was like eight hundred on the consensus, Board and SO
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: i texted. YOU i text a bunch of other. People i'm,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: like AM i missing? Something did he not declare for the? Draft?
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Is they're like and off the field LIKE i just
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: couldn't figure it. Out and THEN i was just a
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: little early to the like from a media. Standpoint, Yeah
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: so after the Show wednesday, NIGHT i start putting together
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: my mock draft And I'M i forget what brought it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Up i'm watching stribling And i'm, like, oh this is
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: like more THAN i was. Expecting he was like one
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: sixty one to seventy on the consensus. Board, Yeah i'm
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: like compared to the other players in that, Range i'm,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: like there's a lot more. Here what AM i? Missing
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: AND i, GO i, look nobody's really written about. Him
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: there's not a ton you know on social. Media Bottom
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: SO i text YOU i text some, People i'm, like
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: what if you watched this? Guy AM i missing something
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that's going on? Here not seeing a lot about? Him
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: AM i imagining? Things and then the next day it's
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: reported that The patriots are meeting with him for a thirty. Visit,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: yeah so that happened three times. Week Adam randalls A,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Key wattley and And Dejeon. Stribbling so we'll see if
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: it happens with the fourth. Guy we'll get doing a little.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: Bit but we have pat yourself on the back.
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: THERE I i like.
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: For what he.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: IS i Like, Stribbling AND i think the interesting thing
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: where The patriots are when you talk about receiver in this,
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: draft there's THE Aj brown of it all, Right AND
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: i think it's pretty clear at this point just from
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: WHAT i Don't this is no inside information for, me
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: but like the reports are out, there this isn't getting
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: resolved before the. Draft, no it's going to be a
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: post tune one.
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: Thing so.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: You know if it can happen and from us on the,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: outside AND i guess it doesn't really, Not but.
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: Like.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: How do you? Draft how do you approach? Receiver if
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: you might Have Aj brown but you might.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Not, yeah right IF i, wrote you, KNOW i told
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: you we're doing our mock, drafts AND i this is
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: WHAT i wrote at the top of the mock, drafts
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: was like, too if they trade for A. J brown
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: and they have that in their back, pocket they probably
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: don't need to draft a receiver at. All no versus
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: if they do. Trade if they don't trade FOR Aj,
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: brown excuse, me if they don't HAVE Aj, brown you
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: might draft a receiver at thirty. One like this is
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: literally the difference between it being a first round pick
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: and you're on your draft sheet and being not on the.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Board but you also have to even if you think
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: you're trading for, him if you. Haven't there's an old,
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: saying you haven't caught the fish till you got it
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: in the, boat, Right like you got to prepare for.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: That so how do you almost split the? Difference and
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: that's a wide, receiver mid round wide receiver who can
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: do some of the things THAT Aj brown, does like,
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: stylistically he profiles. SIMILARLY Aj brown obviously does it as
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: at a much higher. Level and the other thing is
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: we've TALKED Aj brown's twenty nine and you, know you
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: get a year or two out of him Maybe stribbling's
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: a guy further down the road that grows into a bigger.
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Role the THING i like About stribbling and the REASON
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: i Like stribbling for The patriots specifically more than some
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: of the other receivers in that. Range, yeah he does
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: something The patriots don't currently have on the, roster not
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: in a pack. Like he has, size okay Mac collins'.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Side he has, speed, Okay Kyle williams's. Speed he has
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: contested catchability, Okay Keisehan budi is that those are three separate,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: players and he can do all those. Things you know
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: six two two oh seven ran a four four to three.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: SIX i, BELIEVE i know he's in the four. Threes,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: yes he's got really really good body control and he
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: can go outside his frame catch the. Ball it allows
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: him to kind of stop start on a. Dime his hitch,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: routes his comeback, routes his curls are all really. Good
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: he can get vertical as. Well for his. Size i'd
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: like to see him be a better contested catch. Receiver
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: and that's kind of the big knock for. Me the other,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: one he's not like nobody's gonna confuse him For Julian.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Edelman he's not great at changing, direction BUT i think
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: for a player his, size it. Works he's not as
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: stiff AS i expected a player his size to, be
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: especially a player projected to go in that. Range so
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: he's currently won fifty six on the big. Board he'd
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: be in play for me at one twenty. Five, Yeah
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: SO i JUST i think he brings some things to
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: the table that they don't. HAVE i do think there's
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: some upside with. Him and though he's twenty, three he
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: did play a gimmicky offense in college and didn't you,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: know we didn't have a thousand yard, Season so there's
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: the production. Knock but LIKE i Trust dodd downingymore Than
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: i've trusted their wide receiver coaches in the, PAST i
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: think they can find a role for. Him and if
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: they trade for A. J, brown maybe that role, diminishes
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: BUT i don't think it goes away. Entirely that's one
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: other thing about. Him he blocks his ass. Off that
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: guy loves to block and he's good at. It so
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: you know some people are probably her big receiver who
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: likes to, block And Quill Harry all, right well it's
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: one twenty. FIVE i wouldn't take him at thirty.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: One he also runs a four to. Three he also
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: run what did he?
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: Kill? Run four or? Five was it? That? Wow? YEAH
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: i almost talking about him one twenty, Five LIKE i
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: probably wouldn't take him at ninety. Six, yeah he's A
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: day three pick to. Me but as far As day
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: three picks, GO i like his, MAKEUP i like what
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: he brings the. Table i'd be in on. Him i'd
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: be in on, Him AND i think he perfectly splits
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: that gap where all, right he probably doesn't solve all
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: your problems if you don't GET Aj, Brown but there
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: are some things you would ASK Aj brown to do
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: that you don't have any other guys on the roster
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: that can. Do he's not he can probably.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: Do he's not guy after the catch AT Aj brown Is.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: No that's the big.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: Gap AND i don't know IF Aj brown is that guy.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Anymore but at least when we're talking about the idea
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: OF Aj, brown assuming that maybe this last year In
• 47:11
  Speaker 3: philly was just kind of, him CAN i being chucking?
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Out CAN i push back on the after the catch
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: thing a little?
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Bit he doesn't have.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: That there is one when he runs the comeback he's
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: really good at if the corner bites too, much you
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: know that play where like turn Like Malcolm, mitchell, right
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: the reverse tee, step like making the pay on the t,
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: step and then he has the four to three speed.
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Pulway he's really good at that. Play. Like he's not
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: somebody to throw screens. Too he's not somebody's gonna create
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: a lot after a. Slant but on that, comeback Which
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: drake was pretty good at throwing last. Year, yeah he
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: does have a knack for getting his hips, turned you,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: know taking advantage of the, corner taking a bad angle
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: and getting up the. FIELD i like him there after the,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: catch after, that, yeah the other. Stuff he, again nobody's
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: gonna stake him For Julian edelman after the, catch nobody's
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: gon to mistake him For Pop. Douglas, there there is
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: a little bit of something, there more so THAN i
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: would expect from a guy his.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: Size, okay So i'm Gonna i'm gonna agree on that
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: And i'm gonna disagree with. YOU i think the two
• 48:08
  Speaker 3: things that stand out to me WHEN i watched him
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: were ability to be press coverage is. Good it definitely
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: has some wiggle at the line of. Scrimmage some lateral
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: quickness at the line of scrimmage and acceleration in the
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: initial ten yards or so off the line of scrimmage
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: is really good to stack. Corners he had one rep
• 48:25
  Speaker 3: Against georgia from the slot where he just dusted to
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: the corner and press his repressive. Rep those reps are.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: NICE i do really like his. VERSATILITY i think that
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: that's one thing that you didn't necessarily hit on THAT
• 48:38
  Speaker 3: i just wanted to add in.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: There, WELL i like him on the, outside but, sure.
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: But he's a guy THAT i think can move around
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: a little. Bit they actually even had Him.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Sorry just real, quick because you just mentioned it to
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: your point About. Georgia, yeah AND i know you're big
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: on this with the he plays with BRASS i.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Know and it made me feel worse about The Chris
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: brassele thing because Maybe georgia just didn't play well.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Good receiver, Maybe, yeah MAYBE i should feel worse About Dylan,
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: everett WHO i, like Butainst. Georgian, yeah he had he
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: had a regular. Season both games Against georgia were.
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Good, yeah and HE i would say like they used
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: him almost like sort of like on the wing as
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: like an h back type of thing where they'd like
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: put him behind uh the offensive. Line, yeah and he'd
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: like run slide routes and he'd. Block like the blocking
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: didn't go so hot from there because he's not that.
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: Big you, know he's not tight, end so he's like
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: but like at least he's. There you, know it's a
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: speed bump to the.
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: Ball.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: Uh and then they obviously hit him, off would hit
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: him on those slide routes or those submarine routes under
• 49:35
  Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage where like once he hits that
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: runway at four to, three like you got some speed
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: after the. CATCH i think the one thing THAT i
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: maybe didn't see as, much AND i know you're not
• 49:45
  Speaker 3: saying that he's like the quickest guy in and out of,
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: breaks horizontal, cuts first and second level, separation all those
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: things would be concerns for. ME i did not see
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: a guy that was a big separator at the top
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: of the route when he was asked. Cut if you're
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: asking him to do things on the vertical routrey running
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: it's trying to come back in that type of. Sea
• 50:06
  Speaker 3: the concern THAT i would have with that is THAT i,
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: think if you're going to be really good in that,
• 50:12
  Speaker 3: role you have to have a. Slant you have to
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: either be able to run a slant or be able
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: to run it under one of those two routes like
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: a short in because you need to have something into
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: the middle of the field at the first level because
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: otherwise the, corners you, know it eliminates the middle of
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: the field from your press release package and so they
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: don't have to worry about you releasing and breaking. Inside
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: so like now they can sit on the hitches that
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: comebacks and the. Verticals.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Right SO.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: I always say it's you, Know i'm probably not giving
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: him enough credit because he's an, awesome like all time,
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: Player but Like Dez bryant ran like three routes. Too
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: he ran a, slant a, comeback and a go and
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: he made almost a Borderline hall Of fame career running three.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Routes that to me is the base line of any
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: type of receiver in that. MOLD i don't know If
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: stribbling has that first level quickness to separate on a,
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Slant so can he develop? It is it something that you,
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: know he just wasn't asked to do a lot because
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: of the nature of the. Offense all fair, points like
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: maybe he CAN i think he's going to be where
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: he's going to go because he's kind he's kind of
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: a one trick pony at this, point you. Know BUT
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: i think that that's if that's what he could, develop mind.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: Slant if you felt he could develop a, slant if.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: He could develop some sort of first level separation just
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: to get corners to respect the first level, route THEN
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: i would feel like he could probably be a top
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: one hundred.
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: Guy can just his release help with? That you mentioned,
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: RELEASE i.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: Think that it mostly is the top of the, route
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: and so LIKE i think it's the separation at the
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: top of the, route the addability to sink, hips accelerate
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: through the break, point open up your hips and. Cut you,
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: know when you watch him kind of break at the
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: top of the, route it takes like an extra. Step
• 51:58
  Speaker 3: you want most of the, time you want receivers that
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: can break in three. Steps you have three steps as
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: efficient at THE nfl. Level, right you have a step
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: into the, break the, brake and then your drive, step
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: which is the most important. Step so when you come
• 52:11
  Speaker 3: out of the break with the drive, step you want
• 52:14
  Speaker 3: your foot to already be pointing where you want to.
• 52:17
  Speaker 3: Go you don't want that foot to still be pointing
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: up the. Field so guys that have great drive, steps
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: like you, know for, Example i'll just use the pinnacle
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: probably in the league right, Now Jackson smith And. Jigba
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: he has that ability to already be opening his foot
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: in his hip towards the break so that he can
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: just accelerate right through the, break whereas other guys are
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: still moving. Forward they're still moving upfield when they, break
• 52:41
  Speaker 3: and that's why you get those false steps and struggle
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: to gather their weight and sink and. Cut so a
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: lot of these, guys Like i'll give you another example
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: in That, MOLD i really enjoyed watching Ted. HURST i
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: thought that he has some gidea. UP i think he
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: has some size that's, Rare like he's you, know kind
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: of like knock OFF dk metcalf right like where like
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: he has all like really good, size really good vertical,
• 53:06
  Speaker 3: ability but he's a little bit clunky at the top
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: of the, Route like he might take four or five
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: steps to gather and cut when you need to be
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: able to take. Three AND i think that that's what
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: separates guys that are like elite versus guys that are
• 53:18
  Speaker 3: put by lance in that group. Too, YES i would
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Put Bryce Lance like a lot of people, Say Bryce
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: lance is Like Christian. WATSON i the reason WHY i
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: would push back on that Is Christian watson was such a,
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: fluid smooth athlete Like Christian. Watson WHEN i think At
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: christian and it's obviously helmet scouting With Bryce lance to
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: compare him To Christian. Watson BUT i remember Watching Christian
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: watson when he came out of, college and remember when
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: he would take like handoffs out of the backfield at,
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: college And i'd be, like oh My, God like this
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: guy's you, know six two, plus great, speed and he's
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: got the fluidity and sort of the you, know the
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: movement skill to be able to like basically take like
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: sweeps and handoffs out of the. Backfield you, know these
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: guys too stiff for, That like they're too rigid for
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: that type of those types of. Actions last one here
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: on the thirty. Visits that will take our break and
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: then we'll get into our roster reset and calls and
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: emails and all that good. Stuff caden McDonald From Ohio,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: state the nose tackle From Ohio state reported and on
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: a thirty visit with The, patriots to me and AGAIN
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: i have no inside, information like we always say on the,
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: SHOW i would just say that this one is really
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: good player right in our. Range we should probably do
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: some homework on, him, right you. KNOW i don't know
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: if it's the biggest. NEED i don't know if it's
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: the direction that they end up going, in but they
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: should know they should have an extensive report done On caden.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: McDonald it's the right thing to. Do the one thing
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: THAT i really like About caden McDonald that kind of
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: separates him from typical nose. Tackles he is a playmaking nose,
• 54:52
  Speaker 3: Tackle like he had like thirty plus run stops last.
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: Year this is a guy that makes plays on the
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: other side of the line of scrimmage as a no.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Tackle so this is not a space. Eater this is
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: not somebody that's just gonna clog lanes and hold up
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: blocks and build a wall and all that kind of.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Stuff he gets off, blocks he, Penetrates he stuff's runs
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: a really really high.
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: Rate, Yeah i'm with, you maybe doing their due, diligence
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: maybe trying to you, know there's some teams that need
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: to nose tackle the top of the second. Round, yeah
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: trying to scare them into a trade up potentially if
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: it comes to. That so, YEAH i don't, know it
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: would be a weird pick for.
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: Me it would really quickly and THEN i will take this.
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: Break where do you stand On mendoza versus Ty? Simpson
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: because we can't be in the draft community and not
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: give our take on. This so we have thirty seconds
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: before the break to give a take on Dan orlowski
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: right lighting the world on.
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Fire, look if people want to have their differing, TAKES
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: i have nothing against differing. Takes like if you want
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: to say Ty simpson and there's always a quarterback that
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: gets too gassed. Up AND i talked about this the other.
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: Week it's unfair to the, quarterback unfair TO jj, McCarthy you,
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: know because the expectations become so high and then they
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: get dumped on for being in a situation they should
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: have never. Been In, SURE i thought it was gonna
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: be nusmya raller that got this super artificial. HYPE i
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: didn't think it was gonna Be Tye simpson because his
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: games just very. Vanilla he's noth't necessarily wrong with. That
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: it was very. Vanilla but, like if you want to
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: have a different opinion by all means have. IT i
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Had Jamier gibbs ahead of B Jean robinson in that,
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: draft which didn't turn. Out probably as wrong as it
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: looked at the. Time so probably, wrong but not as
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: wrong as it looked at the.
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: Time, yeah they were just both.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Good they're both but LIKE i had reasons for, It
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: LIKE i went, IN i did the, RESEARCH i backed it.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Up Saying Fernando mendoza didn't play in big. Games it's just,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: False it's just patently.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: False, yeah that was.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: Weird One national championship Beat ohio was Tab Generational Dye
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: make ten.
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: Championship he felt like he didn't play well in the big.
• 56:51
  Speaker 3: Games back and Watch Ohio. STATE i, mean he didn't
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: play very well until the.
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: End go back and what he did to That miami.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Defense what were they up On alabama? Again was it
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: thirty something and?
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: Nothing?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Nothing so you, know if you want to come with
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: distats and, whatever we'll simply you, Know mendoza was heavily
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: reliant on RPOs and maybe ed town around.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: Them.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: Whatever just crazy to say about N indian a, quarterback
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: but like fine to say he didn't play in big.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: Game And dan also he had a, chance like they
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: gave him an out to, Say, oh, no you mean
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: he didn't play. Well, no you just say didn't play
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: in big games like you got. It you got to
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: come with something better than. That that's the reality of.
• 57:23
  Speaker 8: IT i just.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Agree and if you but if you want to have the,
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: debate we can have. Debate you have to have the
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: debate and good. Faith you can't say things that aren't.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: True so let me be clear in saying that we
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: all have blind spots and we all miss when it
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: comes to this kind of. Stuff the one thing THAT
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: i have noticed about former quarterbacks when they evaluate draft
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: prospects is they probably lean a little bit heavier towards, mechanics.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: Footwork progression reads like just the nuances and like the
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: details of the. Position where if they're just strictly grading
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: tape and they're saying this is how a coaching staff
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: would grade this, film that's not necessarily the. Draft the
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: draft is a lot of. Projecting it's a lot of
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: ceiling projection in particular of like who has more, skill
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: who has more raw, athleticism who has a stronger, arm
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: who has more tools in his, toolbox who has a
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: more running, ability who has more ability to drive the
• 58:31
  Speaker 3: football into tight, windows to make different types of, throws
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: to layer, footballs to drive, footballs like all these different
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: types of things are not did he make the right,
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: read did he throw on? Time did he have the right,
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: footwork and all that kind of. Stuff so when we
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: get into these draft conversations and this is you, know
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: we just went through this a couple of years, AGO
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: i feel Like Drake maygott was getting dragged down by
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of these types of people because he was
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: not a polished prospect coming out of. College but what
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: they were missing was that he was functionally a good
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: quarterback at the. Time his floor was higher than they,
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: thought and his athleticism and his traits were just so
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: so good that once all the other type of details
• 59:14
  Speaker 3: that can be coached got caught, up he was gonna
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: be what he is, today which is A mvp caliber.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: Quarterback SO i always see this time of, Year Ty
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: simpsons this, year and, look he ended up being better
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: THAN i probably gave him credit. For but Like Bo,
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: nicks was this guy In Drake may's draft where it's
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: like the quarterbacks coach, quarterback you, know like this is
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: the coach coach's pick because he does. Everything he's, polished he's,
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: detailed all that kind of. STUFF i feel like when
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: guys Like orlovsky watched people like Ty, simpson that's what they.
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  Speaker 3: right to. You and the phone Calls patty is an
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  Speaker 1: Patty, hey good, Afternoon.
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  Speaker 3: Jen we doing.
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  Speaker 11: SO i apologize if you guys brought any running backs,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 11: up BUT i know how you guys feel About Adam
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  Speaker 11: randall And Mike mike Uh, WASHINGTON i, believe BUT i
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  Speaker 11: wanted to know if what you guys thought about both
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  Speaker 11: of The Penn state running. Backs do you guys think
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  Speaker 11: that They're day three guys and either of them are
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 11: good fits with this? Team And i'll take it off, there.
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  Speaker 3: Guys, thanks thanks for the, Call. Patty so you know, Me,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: alex the hardest thing for me to do with the
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: draft ace is to watch running. Backs it's the hardest.
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  Speaker 3: THING i Can't IT'S i always wait until Like april
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 3: to get to the running backs BECAUSE i hate watching running.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 3: BACKS i just don't know. Why it just doesn't move the.
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  Speaker 3: Need it's, just you know what it is is like
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 3: running backs in, college especially the backs that come from
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: the big, schools they have so much room to do
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: things That i'm just, LIKE i don't think that this
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: any of this translates, Right, like there's just so much
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  Speaker 3: open space for this guy that all he is doing
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: is running straight really fast in a straight. Line and
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  Speaker 3: although he had a really good rookie season And i'm
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: still high on him as a. Player, YEAH i think
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  Speaker 3: we saw some of this With Trayvon henderson last year
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  Speaker 3: where when it came to really reading through the line
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  Speaker 3: of scrimmage and finding the right entry points and why you,
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  Speaker 3: know going where the defense isn't and all that kind of.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff vision is really WHAT i should be saying that it's.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: Hard it's a hard skill to. Translate as far as
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: what he, Asked Mike washington's expected to be a pretty high.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: Draft he's gonna eight a great. Combine he's gonna go
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  Speaker 1: he he's gonna, go you, know top.
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  Speaker 3: SEVENTY i think if they drafted running back in the
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: first two rounds that would make zero.
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  Speaker 1: S i to, me the highest is one seventy, one
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: like even one thirty, one which is probably where you
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: need to Take singleton Or. Allen who are The Penn state. Guys,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: yeah the profile kind of. Similarly they're both, big physical.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Backs singleton is a little more more, explosiveness a little
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: more juice in his. Game you, know they run, hard
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: they're tough to. Tackle they, can you, know compete between
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: the tackles your. PLAYERS i don't know that i'd want
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: The pagers take running back that. High they definitely fit
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: the MOLD i think of what The patriots are looking
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: for in the, position just a matter if they want
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: to draft on that high Like singleton could go top you, know,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: fringe top one. Hundred, yeah So allen's probably a little
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: bit later because single then are really good twenty twenty
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: four and then kind of came back down to earth
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: a little bit last, year as did most players of
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: That Penn state. PROGRAM i think it's more about the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: program than the. Player, yeah they're good. PLAYERS i like.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: THEM i can Play.
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  Speaker 3: Adam, randall another guy THAT i was. ON i thought
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: we talked about him last, week which.
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  Speaker 1: We, did AND i told you you need to watch,
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  Speaker 1: him and you, like we're going to refuse, to but
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: now they've met with, him you kind of have. To
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: he's also not your typical running. Back watch, like there's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: a lot.
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  Speaker 3: So that's What that's WHAT i like about him is
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: that he does a lot more than just run the
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  Speaker 3: football between the tackles or something like.
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  Speaker 2: THAT i love.
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  Speaker 3: IT i like the idea of adding somebody with some
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  Speaker 3: kickoff return. JUICE i think that he AND i know
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  Speaker 3: it's a lazy comparison to compare him To, patterson but
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  Speaker 3: WHAT i WOULD i think about the comparison is LIKE
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: i do think he can catch the ball a little
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  Speaker 3: bit and play a little bit of a receiver as.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Well so like it's not like you're just rafting another
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: guy to eat, carries, Right like this is a guy
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  Speaker 3: that's going to bring BECAUSE i just. Can't the THING
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: i struggled with the running backs with The, patriots, yeah
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: is That Ramandra stevenson And Trevon henderson are gonna be
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: are going to be your running backs next year one
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  Speaker 3: of them gets, hurt of, course that's always a. Caveat
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: but at the same, time LIKE i would like to
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: add a running back that's going to bring something a
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  Speaker 3: little bit, unique, sure because if they're all three of
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 3: them are, healthy then you want, roles you, know for
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: all three. Guys randall could do.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: That, Randal, YEAH i mean he's got to learn some
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: of the finer points of playing the, position not just
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: like what you were talking about, earlier the field division
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: stuff and all. That he's got to learn how to pass.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: Block he's not really to do, that but six, three two,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: thirty like he's got a frame to do. It So
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I'm i'm still big into the idea Of Adam randall
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: in the sixth, round and it seems like they you,
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: know they met with, him so, yeah?
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: Agreed all, Right zach is In New. Hampshire what's, Up?
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  Speaker 7: ZACH i THINK i thinks pick my. CALL i just
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 7: wanted to know who is your favorite prospect in the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 7: entire draft of The patriots this? Year and then also
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 7: what do you Think Kyle williams role will be next?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 7: YEAR i was a big fan of the pick when
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: they made, it AND i just wanted to hear your
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 7: thoughts from. That thanks, Guys, yeah.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: Thanks for the. Call is at your favorite prospect for
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: The patriots in the?
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: DRAFTS a tough one pound for pound all things, consider
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: it might be Depe do you really really? MIGHT i
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: think he can? Play, YEAH i, mean don't get me,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Wrong it's NOT i SAY i take him at thirty,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: One LIKE i think some of these edge rushers are,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Better but like for where you're going to get, him
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: for what he could potentially give, YOU i don't, KNOW
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: i really like, him CAN i? Say Jordan? Tyson, no you.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Can and that's that weird thing, Though like if he
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: falls to thirty, one there's a. Reason how bad is his?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Hamstring how bad are his? Medicals going? That, like do
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: you want to take him at thirty. One, yeah, yeah you,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: KNOW i like Like, MESIDOR i Like. Akis, yeah it's
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: a tough question to.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: ANSWER i think it's a tough question to answer because
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: they're picking him thirty, one, right so there's not like
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: this obvious. Talent you, KNOW i Watched Jordan tyson the
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: other day BECAUSE I i texted you and, said DO
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: i have to Watch Jordan tyson because of all this
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: buzz about the injuries knocking him down the? Board SO i.
• 1:09:07
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• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: Related it's not gonna be anything to do with tape
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: because he's he might be the best receiver in the
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: class just off the, tape so it's obviously injury. RELATED
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: i would say my favorite player in the draft is
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 3: Probably Dylan dynaman, honestly BUT i need slash where he's gonna.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 3: Go it doesn't add.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: Up, oh if we're just going favorite player, Overall Caleb, downs, Easy, yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: EASY i Love Caleb. Downs that, dude he's gonna be a. Stud.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: YEAH i really Like dynaman for The patriots at thirty.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: One it's tougher because he just don't know who's gonna
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: be there at thirty. One well that's Why i'm, like you,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Know Chris brazil is probably my favorite player in the draft,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: period But i'm not saying that that is necessarily for THIRTY,
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: us But brazil just, overall so.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: There's like a pound for pound. Thing, like, AGAIN i
• 1:09:56
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• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: that they shouldn't take him at thirty. One, yeah but
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: like there's a world we're all more excited about Gay
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: bacchus at sixty three or if they trade up in
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: like the fifties THAN i am about whoever they take
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  Speaker 1: a thirty one BECAUSE i hate the thirty one, pick
• 1:10:13
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• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: values good, player he, fits blah blah. Whatever you, know
• 1:10:16
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• 1:10:17
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• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: Old show a couple of years, AGO i tried to
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: like play it cool when The patriots draft, somebody even
• 1:10:27
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• 1:10:30
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• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: very first year covering the draft with the, team they
• 1:10:35
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• 1:10:38
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• 1:10:41
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• 1:10:42
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• 1:10:44
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• 1:10:46
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• 1:10:51
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• 1:10:54
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• 1:10:56
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• 1:11:00
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• 1:11:44
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  Speaker 12: OH i wanted to touch On Dinel. Boston, okay who
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  Speaker 4: smooth route running and his size and his place. SPEED
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: i know he didn't run at, forty but the play
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: speed is on.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 12: Tape you can see he's he was a part returner
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 12: For washington at. Times and his place strength and body
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  Speaker 12: control and. EFFORT i Know verbe would love, that and
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 12: some of the best receivers in the game got all
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 12: three of. Those SO i MEAN i Love. BOSTON i
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 12: WOULD i would love if they take him at thirty.
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  Speaker 3: One, sure, yeah djon, LISTEN i Liked boston more THAN
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 3: i THOUGHT i was going. To, Yeah and the only
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 3: reasons WHY i don't Like boston is BECAUSE i swear
• 1:12:51
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  Speaker 3: YEAR i would not do Keon. COLEMAN i would not
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  Speaker 1: Boston coleman is the comp For malecki fields LIKE i just.
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  Speaker 3: But they're all in a similar mold AND i could
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• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: WAS i liked him a lot more THAN i THOUGHT
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  Speaker 3: i was going. TO i think the number one thing
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 3: THAT i liked about him the most was obviously that
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: he's not just a contested catch, catcher BECAUSE i think
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: that gives him a bad rap for always being. Covered
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: he's a hands, Catcher like this is a guy THAT
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 3: i don't THINK i ever saw a single pass go
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 3: into his body when he caught the. Football that skill
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: IS i would say one, underrated but two really plays
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: in the, league like really plays in THE. Nfl all
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: the best receivers in the, league for the most, part
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 3: are are hands, catchers are guys that catch the ball
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: away from their. Frame so that that was a really good,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: trade AND i agree with the. COLLEGE i think he's
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: still in that big BODY x. Mold but for a
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 3: big BODY, x he's a little bit more fluid than
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 3: A Nikhil harry a Key On.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Coleman he reminds me a little bit Of. Teed, yeah
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: AND i, mean obviously he's not at the same. Level
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: he's not quite as. Big he's not Like i'll ask you,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: again though we did this last, WEEK i might have
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: to ask this every. Week you see where you're at
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: thirty one between a Receiver Denzel boston And Chris browse
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: of who you taking go back and forth on this every.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: Day that's where are you at? Today Denzel?
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: Boston? TODAY i told you this is recency?
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Today why?
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: WHY I i think that the caller raises good points
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: about the fluidity within his. ROUTES i think he's a
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: little bit more fluid than the typical bust in that.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: Mold probably not. HE i think the difference between him
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: and like a guy Like ted is after the, catch,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 3: Right ted is extremely explosive after the. CATCH i also
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 3: can't really get the zone coverage metro out of my
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: head With Denzel. Boston they weren't great in terms of
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 3: like yards per route.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: Run you, said you're Take. Boston you're in Take, Boston
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: and now you're giving a bunch of.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: Reasons, ye BECAUSE i guess because this IS. I this
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: is the NOT i swore off this type of. RECEIVER
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: i told you, THAT i told myself THAT i would
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: not get geeked up about this type of receiver. AGAIN
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 3: i said that.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Because still taking him Over brasel at thirty. ONE i, guess, so,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: yeah because you know what it is next week and
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: then we gotta move, on BECAUSE i want to get
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: into our roster reset you want it, Is alex is
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: THAT i didn't have enough conviction in myself back in
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: twenty nineteen to Tell Bill belichick that he made the
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: wrong draft.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: Pick LIKE i was like still too new to this
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: and TOO i was too, raw, Right LIKE i just
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: couldn't do. That BUT i knew that there was something
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: weird About Nikhil harry and how the way that he
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 3: moved and that he was, heavy and you, know the
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 3: caller mentioned punt. Returning Nikhil harry had a was it
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: a punter kickoff At Arizona state where he like reversed
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: field on one where he like ran Oh i'm under
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: the first field and went all the way up the
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: sideline for like a ninety plus yard uh kicker punt.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: RETURN i can't. Remember it was a kicker of, Punt
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: and at the, TIME i was, like, oh, wow that's.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: Amazing but then if you go back and watch, it
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: you see how slow he's moving as he's trying to reverse,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: field and you recognize, like, oh, yeah that's not going
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: to play in THE, Nfl like he's not going to
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: be able to do that in the. LEAGUE i just.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: WASN'T i.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 13: WAS i.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: WAS i was a wee young. LAD i wasn't like
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: convicted enough to be, like, No Bill belichick is wrong
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: for taking this. Guy NOW i feel LIKE i, Overcorrected
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: like Now i'm, LIKE i can't do it with these
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 3: types of.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: RECEIVERS i just but you're still taking him at thirty
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: one over. Breads, YEAH i, Am, yeah, WHY i mean
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: asking him.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: WHY i think he's a little BIT i think he's
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 3: stronger Than brasil. Yep AND i think he's probably a
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: little bit of a better route runner just in terms
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: of the routes he's being asked to. Run BUT i
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 3: think that mostly it's that that play strain the, hands
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: like you know that sort of. Thing brasl is all separation,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Right like he's got. Speed he's got really good sinking
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: cut for the guy his size and a guy at his,
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: height and he's just got he's got, speed he's got, burners,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: Right so like he's the guy that's gonna get.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Open he sound like you want to Take brazzle thirty.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: One of COURSE i.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: Do he's my favorite player in the.
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: Draft, okay so then you're Taking brazzle thirty. ONE i don't.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Know you're just trying to answer both so that you're not. Cornered, yes,
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: speaking they'll say it with some. Conviction No brazzle Or
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: boston at thirty. ONE i mean some, Conviction. Brasele there we.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: Go it's not enough. Conviction we?
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: Do that was not?
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Conviction are we doing Recency buyers? Series?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: Do we?
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: Said, OKAY i got a safety for. You Watch safety
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: this other. NIGHT i know everybody's all geeked up out Of.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: Miami he's more of like a nickel than a true.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: Safety Keane scott ran like in the four twos at
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: the pro day the other. Day, Yes i'm gonna talk
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: about the Other miami, Safety Jacoby thomas, yeah you like this.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: Guy i'm doing some research on To Kobe. Thomas and,
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: look this isn't the be all end all of a player's,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: makeup but this caught my. Attention there's a video of
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: him before one of The bowl games last year talking
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: about how much which he loves hitting, people and he
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: calls the physical part of the game a lost art
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: and says that he'll just he knows if he keeps hitting,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: somebody di'll eventually fold and he'll play that. Game and
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: if you go and you watch on, tape there are
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: games where the wide receivers are visibly afraid of him
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: on the. Field it happened With Carnell. Tate you can
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: See Carnell taate goes to run a, slant Sees Jacoby
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: thomas's waiting for him and pulls. Up But Jacoby thomas
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: is not just a big. Hitter he can play on
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: the back. End he can lurk tremendous on ball. Production
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: six pass, breakups five. Interceptions last, year you got his
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: hands on the football eleven times playing. Deep he does
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: that because he's really good. Instincts, now he's overly aggressive
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: SOMETIMES i think he trusts his instincts too much sometimes
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: and that leads to some blown assignments and some. Mistackles
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: his miss tackle rate is definitely higher than what you
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: want from a, safety and that's why he's a projected
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: fifth round. Pick but if you can kind of coach
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: that out of him and hone his instincts a little,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: bit he is a missile flying around out, there whether
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: it be in, coverage whether it be making plays with
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: line of scrimmage against the, run or like you watch
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: him blow up screens at one, point it's what's the?
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: Word did we've associated with this defense more than anything
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: else that they keep using violent? Violence he is, VIOLENT
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: i mean the mentality and you look a little more his.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: Background he looks up To Sean. Taylor he talked To
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: Ray lewis before games like he's got and he if
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: you go watch the, injury he's not all excited talking about.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: This he's just sitting there Like i'll hit people till
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: they don't want to be hit, Anymore like it's just
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: ingrained in. THEM i love that the mentality is, there
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: playmaking abilities. There, yeah he's got a hone of skills
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: a little. Bit he's probably a third safety for his
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: first year or two will he figures that. OUT i
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: don't think's somebody that can play eighty ninety percent of
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: the time right, away but they don't need him to
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: do that right. Away they need a safety, really a
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: guy that's more of a long term option can be
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: a depth player right. AWAY i really Liked Kobe. Thomas
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: he's a ton of fun and it's my whole. THING
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: i wanted them to had playmakers on. Defense he's more
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: of a playmaker than he is a safe. Player But
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: i'm okay with. That and the violent element is just it.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Again if you go on to watch there's one play
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: it's On twitter where here it is right. Here Carnel
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: tait is like visibly afraid of.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: Him SO i want to hear some of the THINGS
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: i wrote down about. Him, Sure so this is in
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: my pros category and my, spreadsheet Which i'm hoping by
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: at least like a week before the DRAFT i can
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: share with.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Everybody Dane Brugler's beast has coming Out april. Eight that's
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: what you gotta.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: Beat, YEAH i don't know If i'm going to beat. It,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: HONESTLY i have like a lot of offensive lineman to
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: watch over the next couple of. Days like twenty, probably
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: BUT i wrote, downhill, urgent, violent. Striker yeah. Right so
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: those are just some of the buzzwords or keywords THAT
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: i have in. HERE i think WHAT i like a
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: lot about him. TOO i don't know if he's a
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: deep part of the field, Player LIKE i don't know
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: if he's like a true free safety or a guy
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: that's going to be able to play over the. Top
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 3: but he's really good in like short, zones whether they're, yeah,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 3: robbers hook. Curls, obviously like when you play the hook,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: zone which is the middle of the field zone as
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 3: a safety or a, linebacker you carry a lot of
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: verticals from the other side of the formation because when
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 3: they have an earn three by, one it becomes like
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 3: almost a match with the third receiver on the three receiver.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 3: Side so like if that guy runs like a crosser
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 3: or something like, that then it's that person's job to
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: carry that player. VERTICAL i think he can do all
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: those types of. THINGS i think he can play. ROBBER
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 3: i think he can play down in the. BOX i
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: think that he wants to play down in the, Box
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: like when he's up, top he fills and it gets
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: his hat in the box against the run extremely. QUICKLY
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: i just think he's a little bit stiff slash not
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: doesn't necessarily have that sideline to sideline range to play
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: him in the deep part of the. Field but if
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: you play him, correctly if you put him in the right,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: role he's going to be a really good player in the.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: League like there's no doubt to be The. Patriots and,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 3: YEAH i think that he's more complimentary To Craig woodson
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: And Kevin byern as a third safety than he is
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: a true starter in their system because they want their
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: guys to cover so well down the. Field but he
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: could be somebody that, is you, know a really good
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 3: box nickels safety for them for a really long time
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 3: and then maybe they just find somebody else to play
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: With woodson in the deep part of the.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Field, yeah that's kind of my. Idea is he kind
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: of sort of becomes a matchup.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 3: Player, Yeah, okay You Keon crawford From, auburn the pass
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 3: rusher From.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Auburn this, guy uh so the Other auburn. Guy we're
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: talking about the other.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: Guy Because i'm not the Biggest Keldrick falk. Guy i'm
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: not gonna.
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: LIE i don't know if it's BECAUSE i haven't watched
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: him BECAUSE i don't think he's gonna fall to him
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: OR i didn't like WHAT i. Saw, YEAH i can't
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: get excited about him.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: STIFF i don't like guys that are super stiff unless
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 3: you're gonna play them as like a true hand in
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: the dirt end like The patriots used to, do and
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 3: they're you, know like in a three FOUR I i
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 3: just don't love. HIM i don't love him outside the.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 3: Tackle crawford is just that guy's explosiveness is like an
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: All capitol, letters, right like just off the, ball great
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: bad and inside out with pure. Speed so like you
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: have to set him inside. Out he's gonna win around
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: the corner if you over said to him, outside he's
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: gonna win. Inside he's just got, speed, speed, speed great.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: BEND i think there's some love for him with The
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: patriots as. WELL i think that There's he's one of
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: those guys THAT i kind of came to a little
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: bit later in this edge class because there's so many
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: of these players AND i was, like why isn't this
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: guy in this like you, know third round cluster with
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: all these other you know. Dudes, yeah he should be At. Auburn,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: hey they call it the buck roll At, auburn and
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 3: it's a very labor intensive. Role like there's a lot
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: you have to. Cover you have to be able to,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: drop you have to be able to rush off the,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 3: edge you have to be able to stop the. Run
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: you play a lot of overhang on the strong, side
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: so you're forcing runs back to the, inside but you're
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: also you, know having to rush the passer and drop into.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: Coverage it's, probably you, know one of their more complex
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: roles on their. Defense and he played it last year
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: and played it at a pretty high. Level so he can,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: cover he can drop off the line of scrimmage and,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: coverage he can play a little bit further out in.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: Space but the most important thing is that speed and
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: bend off the. Edge AND i don't know If i'm
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 3: going to be right about, this BUT i think that
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: they're gonna want guys with peer speed off the. Edge
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: LIKE i think that that's going to, be you, know
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: The Harold injury, model, Right AND i think that that's
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: going to be the mold that they go. Towards AND
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: i Think crawford AND i know there's a lot of
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 3: love for like Mile Kay lawrence, Too like you know
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: those types of, Guys lawrence is probably like top, fifty
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 3: maybe even. Higher, yeah and then you Know crawford's kind
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: of like the day to guy in that sort of.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: Mold the other one THAT i had quickly on the
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: recency bias. List we were talking about this before the.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: Show Marlin client From, michigan the tight End german. Born
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: so that would be good for us because we that's
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: a home market for. Us but most importantly With Marlin
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: client for six to one in the forty yard, dash
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: a really good speed to run the, seam really good on.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: CROSSING i know it Was New, mexico So i'm gonna
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: put that caveat on. It but he had a really
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 3: strong performance against them in the opener last year For,
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 3: michigan WHERE i think he had almost one hundred receiving
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 3: yards in the. Game it was just kind of EVERYWHERE i.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: THINK i you, know his blocking technique is pass catching
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 3: all that needs some work because he's, raw he's new
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: to the, sport but he gives great effort in the run.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: Game he's got, toughness he's got, physicality he's got straight line.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 3: Speed he just is a ball of clay right. Now
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: that needs some.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: Molding, yeah a ton of awesome. Tools six, six two
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: fifty ran the four to six one like you talked
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: about thirty six ins. Vertical you just got to learn the. Game,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: yeah got to learn the. Game came into it. Late
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: but if you're gonna take a flyer on A day
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: three tight end like he can be coached, Up there's
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: there's a lot there to work. With there aren't going
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: to be many things physically he can't. Do it's just
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: about getting his technique to the point where he's able
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: to do. Him BUT i like. Him i'm with. YOU
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: i wouldn't be mad if they took. Him, okay let's
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: do this reset on.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: Defense it's. OKAY i didn't expect this to take as
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: long as on this as the. Offense this is not as,
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 3: exciting all, RIGHT i like, defense BUT i. Understand.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: Uh and then what we're doing the special teams reset
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: a good.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: Question next?
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: Week we actually need to do. That there's relevance. There
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: punter is the only relevant kick.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: Returner, okay, fine but like, returners like you're gonna draft
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: that player to play something. Else the second is going
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 3: to be you, Watch, yeah you want To browns to
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: play returner just to Return barry On.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: Brown maybe it was a little bit to tap into
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: was a. Receiver, okay all, Right, adam let's go through
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: this strengthens the case for other.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: Plays we got thirty minutes to go through, this so
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 3: let's do. It let's start with, edge biggest need on the,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 3: BOARD i think for The, PATRIOTS i think you can
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 3: make that case pretty. Easily Draymont, Jones Harold, Landry Elijah,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 3: Pronder Brandon, Swinton Jesse, lukeda And Amari, gaynor who is
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: At North carolina With drake is still on the roster as.
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: WELL i think the two questions THAT i have with
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: itedge right now for The. Patriots number, one what is
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: their type of edge look? LIKE i just said. THAT
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: I i think it's going to be the speed two
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: fifty two fifty five kind of. GUY i don't anticipate,
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: it you, KNOW i know that there's a lot of
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: mocks out. There Kendrick, Falk Zion, young you know some
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 3: of these bigger edge rushers that you know are to
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: sixty five. PLUS i don't think that's gonna be their.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 7: Thing.
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: Now they did just Sign, jones who's to sixty to
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: sixty five BUT i feel like if they're gonna draft,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 3: SOMEBODY i Think Carold landry's kind of like their, archetype,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 3: right that's their dream sort Of mold is a guy Like.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 3: Landry but what do you? Think are you with me
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: on that or do you think that it's?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: DIFFERENT i, MEAN i think it's tough because we're just
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: one year in and on one, hand we have one
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: year to go off, Of like these are the kind
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: of players they, want but they do so much last.
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: Year it's was is there another archetype With landry they
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: want to have in their defense that they couldn't ad last?
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: Year and do they want to add somebody who's going
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: to be more sturdy against the run on the edge
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: that they just didn't have a chance to. Add but,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: no if they're trying to upgrade the pass, rush it's
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: gonna be players Like Carol. Landry maybe a little bit
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: bigger to help alleviate some of those, THINGS i, guess
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: but they are ant to have like two hundred and
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: eighty pound you, know hand in the dirt. Guys so
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: tried that With Kean.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: White did not work?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: Right, No So i'm with you on that second facilitation
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: question on the, edge.
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: Who are going to be the better options relative to the, board,
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: right it's the whole value of the board, thing the
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: edges at thirty one or the edges at sixty.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: FIVE i think there's a real case at sixty, three
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: especially if you move, up like if you talk about the,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: fifties they're just probably gonna miss that second. Run but,
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Again lawrence Akis moore From, MICHIGAN i don't think the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: drop off is that significant versus the drop off the
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: drop off at tackles. MASSIVE i, mean, like if you
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: don't take the tackle thirty, one you're probably waiting till ninety.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: Five at that. POINT i don't think there really is
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: anybody at sixty. Three you know, what. Receiver it's definitely
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: a significant drop off from thirty one to sixty, three absolutely.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: So but there is a drop. Off and if they
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: want to get a lynch pin edge rusher LIKE i
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: like some of those guys one day, two but they're
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: there is a, Difference, yep there is a. Difference, Sure
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: so that's kind of the big question to. Me it's
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: also like do they double?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Up?
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Right if you're gonna double, up maybe say, okay we're
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 1: gonna go second round and third, round so we use
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: our first round pick on something up if you're gonna
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: but maybe it's first round and like fourth round or fifth, round,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: right that kind of. Thing so they can approach it
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: a number of different, ways but they definitely need at
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: least one, guy maybe. TWO i think they can get
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: by with one. Too your feeling really. Good some of
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: that is like where do you think that With Braiden?
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: Swinton do you think they're gonna really keep working On
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: Braiden swinton and developing.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: HIM i look at it that they probably will draft, one,
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: yeah because they Have jones And, landry and THEN i
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: think you have to really Like.
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 1: Ponder, No ponder to, me like he's gonna make the
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: team and he's he's don.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: And like if you don't have hopes For, ponder and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: then the question for me to want to leave a
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: door a jar For Braden swinton to step, Through, well
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 3: that's Where i'm at if they're gonna double, up, Right,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah Braiden swinston was a fifth round pick last. Year
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 3: it's kind of the same.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Thing if you have conviction that somebody's better Than Braiden,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: swinton you take. Him but that means like you're willing
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: to move. On you're you, Know Braiden swinson wasn't one and,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: done and maybe that's how they. Feel maybe they got
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: him in here last year and, okay you, know we
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: saw what there, is but we feel like we need
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: some more to work, with and like that could certainly be.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: SOMETHING i don't love the idea of using a fifth
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: round pick on another project player when, like if he's
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: just gonna give you a Braidon swinton's, giving you just
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: work With Braiden, swinton draft somebody a draft different, position,
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: Right SO.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 3: I, think to, ME i actually like the options at
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 3: sixty three a little bit, better not off of, talent.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: But who's your guy in that?
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: RANGE i really Like, Yeah akus. TOO i really Like
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: Derek moore a lot as. Well i'm now in On.
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 3: CRAWFORD i don't. Know sixty three is a little might
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: be a little bit, high but you don't know if
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 3: you're gonna get him at.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: Night, no the sixty three, guys to, ME i don't
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Think lawrence in that. Range lawrence is a trade back
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: in the FIRST i don't even know what you're trading
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: off for. Him, yeah to, me sixty three Is acus More.
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: SUTTON i am a little bit interested to see where
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 3: Our Mason thomas ends up falling to do you think
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: they're gonna be in On? THOMAS i don't. Know he
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 3: he hasn't had a great pre draft. Process i'm not
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 3: saying anything to do with off the field or anything like,
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: that but he didn't test. Great he kind of was
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 3: a little bit stiffer through some of the field work
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 3: at the. Combine uh it wasn't this uh pure athlete
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 3: that shows up on tape with the hustle and the
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: motor that shows up on. FILM i thought that the
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: movement's skills were a little. Underwhelming uh so maybe that
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: falls a little. Bit BUT i don't know if all
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: the way to sixty. Three but if you're asking me like,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 3: what because it's always a you, know we do this
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: all the, time it's the.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Right thomas Akis Moore, Sutton, Thomas, wait, sorry say that,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: Again Thomas Akis Moore. Sutton that's the worder they are
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: on the big.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: BOARD i would probably Go thomas akus. More so your
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: consensus of, YEAH i probably would Go akis.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: More Thomas.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 3: SUTTON i could be convinced that to Flip actus And, thomas.
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: He's just He, again it. Goes Maybe i'm reading too into,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: it but they keep saying the word he's so. Violent,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: yeah he's you can see the wrestling. Back the motor
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: doesn't stop and he's trying to run through people on every.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Play and you kind of the little bit here about
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: him off that he's the same way to wait, room
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 1: he's the same way to. Film like the guy just doesn't,
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: stop like he just he's always trying to get. Better
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: he's always working through the, challenge pushing the next. Thing
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: that just feels like they're kind of. Guy so at
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: thirty one at, Receiver, yeah you're looking at and this
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: is hopefully looking at, Right Denzel, Boston Casey, Concepsio Omar Cooper.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: JR i don't think all three of them are. THERE
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: i don't think none of them three are going to be.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 3: There i'm just talking about the drop, offs, Right so
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: that group kind of you, know let's just leave it
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: at that for. Now maybe they're as high on brassehole
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: AS i. AM i DON'T i don't.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: Know.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, uh then at tackle it's two, guys, right It's
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: miller and then.
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: And then you're going right down in ninety five and
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 1: then absolute there is no so what are the odds
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: you think they Think tiernan Or drunker can play.
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: TACKLE i would say that it's probably more likely they
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 3: Think tiernan can play tackle because he's so Much he's a.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: Bet if we're gonna have this conversation that Would drunker
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 1: is just so.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: CLUNKY i JUST i can't see him being able to
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 3: move well enough to.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: So in, theory if there is a tackle for them sixty,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: three it would Be.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: Tiernan, yeah they could be The Indianapolis colts who have
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: two tackles with a sub thirty three inch arms starting for,
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: THEM i, think, Right raymond And Brandon. SMITH i don't
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: know If smith's still. There raymonds, DEFINITELY i don't.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: Know but the, point just if we're gonna have the, conversation,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: like that's the drop, Off so the drop of it
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: tackle we can accept drops off a. Cliff, yeah a
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: wide receiver from The Boston Cooper casey. Concept you're gonna
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: have to Draft brazzle because he's not making it to sixty,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: Three so you're gonna have to draft them somewhere in.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: There Chris bell to The Skylar, bells The Ted, hurst
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: you know Those Bryce. Lance that's a pretty SIGNIFICANT i
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: think that's a much bigger drop off. Too, yes absolutely
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: so THAT i think is really part of that conversation as.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: Well going on to defensive, tackle here into your Guys Milton,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: Williams christian Barmoer Corey dirt And Joshua, Farmer Leonard, Taylor
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Jeremiah farms And Eric gregory.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: Still on the.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: Roster good room obviously when you Have Milton Christian, barmore
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: it's a good. Room Corey dirt And i'm excited ABOUT
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: i think they found to somebody With dirten AND i
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 3: Think Joshua farmer deserves some. More you, Know leash.
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: Would Say Leonard williams. TOO i Want Leonard williams to
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: get a SHOT lt three on this list as.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 3: Well the one the one QUESTION i have with The
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 3: detackle group is Replacing tonga and do they need to
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: Replace tonga With? Tonga like do they need a so.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: This is this IS i would like to see them
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: at a true nose tackle and it's a great tackle.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: Club it doesn't have to be a big. Investment But
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: evan Big citrus justify for. Me, please how DO i
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: make this? Argument i'm. TRYING i, can't but he's such
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: a fun. Player and he's so. Good how do they justify?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: That how does? It can they Take Dominice gorrange at sixty? Three,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: no they could take him at ninety.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 3: Five he's not gonna be.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: There at ninety.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: FIVE i don't. Know if YOU i don't, know he's
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: not gonna Be, no if.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 1: You want the guy in ninety. Five there's two GUYS
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: i like, There Darnell jackson From Florida, state but he's
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: not even really a nose tackle like he's listed at
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: three twenty he carries three.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: Twenty, YEAH i think he was. Limber he actually laid
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: waiting at three fifteen at the.
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 1: Time AND i like, him but he's not got like
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: thirty five inch, arms, Right he's all, limbs like he's
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: not the, size like he's not that.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: Wide.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah the other one is another one of my favorite,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: nicknames just happens to be the Godfa.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: Godfather we're going to go there six foot three.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: Forty, NOW i do wonder And i'll be interested to
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: see when we get the beast and when we get
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: The bob McGinn's stuff with the blood cuts, right because if,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: so he had some blood clot. Issues it's kept him
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: off field twenty. Four, yeah The patriots have dealt with
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: that twice in the last ten years here With David
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: andrews And Christian. Barbell so, well, yeah you, know they
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: might look at that and, say, hey it's a situation
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: that's more manageable us because we know what to look.
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: For they may also look at it and, say we've
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: been dealing with, this we don't want to deal with it.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: Again but like, now he's just a run. Stopper, yes,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: again six foot three, forty he's an old school two,
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: gapper but a spoiler. ALERT i took The godfather and
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: my mock draft where ninety SIX i took. Him, LATER
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: i took him at a one thirty. One maybe because
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: a little bit, off but not.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 3: BAD i think the blood clots are going to be anythink,
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 3: okay not BECAUSE i think that there's STILL i just
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 3: medically see something teams look. At he's going to have
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 3: a medical flag for some. Teams, yeah he is only
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: a run player like, you or he's not offering you
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 3: anything as a.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: Passer so good at it, though he's very very good at.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: It but just off the history of the.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: Draft, no he is the kind of guy that traditionally
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 1: falls that is fair if you're only going to play first,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: down goal, line short yarded.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: Situations and this would be the one little THING i
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: would say About Big citrus THAT i think that he
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: could fall to ninety. Five he's those guys are situational
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 3: players in the. League you don't Think citrus has a
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 3: little bit of.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: That LIKE i think he has a little bitest kind
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: of tong, though like that little bit of where you're
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: playing in the intermediate. Downs and he's not going to be.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: Out of, place, absolutely BUT i don't think that that's
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 3: that's still what a forty five.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Player here's the, city the way tongs market kind of
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: exploding free. Agency how many teams are looking for his copycat?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: League they just made The, supergame but let me forgot
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: how their Counter, okay in this. Draft, yeah there's a
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: lot of these guys at the top. Too that Is
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: kaden McDonald Lee hunter, thinks you know those types of.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: Players so only so many teams are going to be
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: in the market for nose, tackle so that it goes
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: from here to. Here then now there are situational, players
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: it goes to, here and now he has a blood
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: clot history goes to, there, Right so like.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: There's only going to be a.
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: HINT i thought were talking about either.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: ONE i Think orange doesn't have the, medicals BUT i
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: don't think he GETS i don't think he gets ninety.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 1: Five he gets to ninety, Five i'm gonna upset that
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: in trade up for. HIM i think there are just.
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 3: Are situations where these types of, guys because of the
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 3: style of player that they are, there there's gonna be
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: ninety teams are going to look at At Big citrus
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: and The godfather as we're not playing these guys on third.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: Day would you would you Take Dominic gornge in ninety
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: five for The? Patriots, yeah i'd would you like trade
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: up for him in like the? Eighties? Now, no even
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: if it's, small one of those six round?
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: Picks, okay, fine, okay if you if you're, Gonna i'm
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: all for getting rid of the six round. Pick, yeah
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 3: you know, That i'll tell trade all four of.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: THEM i just wonder if they're gonna just keep trying
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: to add these like small athletic defensive tackles Like Zane
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: durant And Cayden proctor And Caleb. Hilip proctor is a
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: hell of a. Player that guy is awesome he's getting
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: because of small. SCHOOL i see him getting some Like
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: milton william, comps yeah uh.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: He it tracks LIKE i. DIDN'T i Thought Zane durant
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: was a little bit. UNDERWHELMING i can see. It like
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: obviously with the athleticism and all that, Stuff.
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: Caleb proctor. Deserves he like a sneaky top one hundred pick, Easily,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: okay a big.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: BOARDER i think he's way higher in real. LIFE i,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: mean that guy can really rush the.
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: PASSER i Want Dominic. GORAN i want them to a nose.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: TACKLE i Want Dominic. Quorn that's probably not gonna. Happen
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: if they Took Dante corleone with one of those fourth round.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 1: PICKS i think a lot of people would be annoyed by.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: It i'd be okay with.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 7: It.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah so Like Timmy keenan From alabama's, like that's another
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: one if you want to draft, him and maybe.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 1: He's a real true nose. Tackle doesn't.
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 3: Move it's like four hundred. POUNDS i don't think he
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: will weighed in on, that but like looking at, HIM
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 3: i think he. Was he weighed in at three twenty,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: seven BUT i think he's.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: Bigger he doesn't, move but you're not moving Him orange
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 1: waiting at three forty and he moves like. That CAN
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: i CAN i get a little? Nuts oh, god is
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 1: there a little tens tiny Bit vince Will.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 3: FORK i thought you were gonna save you To.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Vea, no.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 13: You're.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: Not, like if he maxes, out you're. Nuts if he maxes,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: out you're.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: Nuts but Even, vince like you, know talking about the
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: nose tackles, Falling vince fell because he was a.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: Nose tackle that's. True that was twenty years. Ago, yeah they.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: Fall who's your comp For Dominic? CORAN i don't.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: Know that's a good.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: One as What i'm, saying there's not many guys like,
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: that so it's hard to camp. Them they don't want
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: to Use.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: Vca he's Not veya, like he's, not but that that's
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: the type of, Player, like there's not that many guys.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: That that's What i'm. Saying it's hard to. Do it's
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: three hundred and forty pounds and he's moving like. That,
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: yeah well he was four hundred something in high.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: SCHOOL i believe. It it's big freaking. Dude and he's short,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: too so he's kind of like just wide and. Stubby
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: he's just he's a big, guy.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: But that's how that's how you get these big guys
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: that can move because they you, know he was four
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: hundred high, school so you know he's playing at three,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: forty playing at sixty pounds, later lighter than he used,
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: to so naturally he's gonna like feel quicker on his,
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 1: feet all.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: Right inside, Linebackers, Yeah, Splaine Ellis, Mapu Chad, muma kJ,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: Britt Otis. REES i would assume that kJ britt is
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: here to take some of the special team snaps That
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: zbi And gibbons left, behind so they kind of replaced
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: maybe the kicking game production from those guys with. Him,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 3: OBVIOUSLY i think it's KIND i don't even know if
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 3: sneaky's the right word.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: Anymore this is kind of a. Need it's it's the
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 1: same as tight. End, yeah you probably want to get
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 1: a second guy next To, spelane ideally a coverage, player
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: but it's are you drafting somebody with a lower ceiling
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: who maybe you're trying to highlight certain abilities or traits
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: and just get the second, guy or is it this
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: guy's going to start off as the second guy and
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: then eventually take over For. Splaine but that's a bigger.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: Investment so just to put names to.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: It, Right so who's Your My my facilitation question was
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 3: just who's your favorite in the?
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: Draft, yes your Favorite Jez, well your favorite linebacker for The,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: patriots and the draft of Jakergez, okay BUT i think
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: it's too high for the. Draft jacob Bred i wouldn't
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: be the most surprised person in the world if they
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: took him at Thirty who would surprise you? More kaden
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: McDonald Or Jacob rodriguez at thirty? One kate and McDonald, yeah, Correct,
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: yeah you know if we go a little. Later so
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: the thing is, like if you Draft Jacob, driguez he's
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: here to eventually replace, splay, yes whereas you Know Kyle,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: Lewis Harold, perkins different, Players Eric gentry FROM Usc Lander
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: barton From. Utah these are pure coverage players that are
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: gonna fill a. Role but you, know When splaine gets
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: a little in his contracts, up, LIKE i don't think
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: we're gonna look at them and be, like, okay like
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: you have the next guy in the. Building, Sure SO i.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 3: Think that's the Biggest it's just like tight. End like you,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 3: said that's the hardest part and it's kind of, ACTUALLY
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: i would say a lot like safety. Too are you
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: drafting as a complimentary player to what you currently? Have
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: are you drafting to replace what you currently? Have and
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: those two THINGS i think are.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: Even replaced fill the, pipeline BECAUSE i don't think you're
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: drafting somebody to like that's a nicer way to. Right
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 1: you're not going to compete With Robert splaine this, year
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: With Hunter henry this, Year so.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: If you are drafting strictly to punish the pipeline and
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: just also taking into account where.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 1: RIGHT i, MEAN rvel Reason sunny styles are, LIKE i
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 1: don't think do you buy The Isaiah simmons comps for
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: R vel? Rees.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 3: NO i think he's a better pass rusher THAN i ever.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 7: Was.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: Uh Jacob rodriguez And Jack olday are both really fun.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: Players they're gonna go too, High AND i Put Anthony
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 3: hill in that category as. WELL I i AND I
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: i PUT.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: Cj allen's gonna go top. Twenty you think he's gonna
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: go that high or top twenty, Five he's not gonna
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 1: go where they. Can he's gonna be off the board
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: at thirty.
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: ONE i kind of liked To Anthony hill better some
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: of the, stuff and Then hill makes a lot more.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: Plays some of the stuff that's come out About allen
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: has really convinced, Me like do you know he was
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: calling the plays for The georgia. DEFENSE i tell, that
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: but like there were, Times, ayea teams are gonna. Draw
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 1: there were times.
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 3: WHEN i was watching him, though AND i actually watched.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: Him he's one of the guys before the combine THAT
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: i had, studied AND i watched, him AND i was, like, wait,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: like who's who AM i supposed to be? Watching like
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 3: he doesn't make a lot of, plays but then when
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: you start to watch him over the course of, Tapes,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: yeah he makes a lot of the dirty. Plays like
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: he's a lot of these like, oh he filled that
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: gap which forced the running back to bounce to this,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: gap and then this guy made the tackle right, right
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: that sort of.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Thing WHEREAS I Anthony hill is like a playmaking. Linebacker
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: so like he's around the. Bus, Say allen's like the
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: twentieth overall pick on the consensus mock right, NOW i
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: think the dirty work between the ear. Stuff he's an,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: incredibly incredibly smart. Player he's a coaches, linebacker like some
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: coach is going to go to THE gm and be,
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: like this is the. Guy i'm gonna, like put my
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: fist on the, table this is the. Guy SO i
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: really Like.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: Rodriguez and is it Gold Day Gold Gold? GOLD i think,
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah BUT i think. Both it's tough to find a
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: spot to draft those, Guys LIKE i Think dirty one
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 3: is really.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: High but if they move back a little, BIT i
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: guess if they move, BACK i don't think either one
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: of them is going to be there still at sixty. Three, no,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 1: YEAH i don't think they're gonna be in within move
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: up range at sixty. Three maybe Gold.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 3: Day so then you get into like The lewises and
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: The perkinses or different kinds of, players you. Know i'd
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: also put like Kayleab limbs or sort of in.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: THAT a lot of people like barm Uh So barim.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 3: To me is a pass rusher though, okay like he's
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: an on the ball, Linebacker like he's a stand up
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: three four outside. Linebacker the two guys THAT i really like,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: though if you want to re finished the pipeline For Robert,
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: Splaine Aiden fisher and is a, Butcher Bryce butcher From.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: Oregon he's like a, safety isn't he he's a. Linebacker
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 3: he played safety at the beginning of his uh college
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 3: career At. Oregon he's playing. Linebacker now if you're just
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: do you think he's a potential starting, linebacker and, YEAH i. Do,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: okay if you now for these guys are probably fourth round, picks,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: right so first Said. Fisher, Yeah Aiden fisher From indiana
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: is really intriguing to me if you're strictly trying to
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 3: draft to be the Next Robert. Spuline, like if you
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 3: Draft Aiden fisher this year and you Attach Aiden fisher
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: To Robert spulaine's, hip, yeah for the next. YEAR i
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 3: think by twenty, eight twenty, seven even, Possibly Aiden fisher
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 3: is ready to be the. Mic ok you, KNOW i
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: think he can wear the green. DOT i think he
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 3: did that at For. Indiana uh AND i thought that
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: he moved a lot better than some of the knocks
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 3: on him. Suggests like some people think he's a terrible.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: ATHLETE i think he's a fine enough athlete to play,
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 3: Linebacker mike linebacker. Specifically so those are the guys THAT
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: i would look at if like you're really trying to
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 3: do what you were trying to do at tight end
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: and right tackle and kind of what.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: If you're just trying to find a coverage, linebacker and,
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: hey this guy's gonna kind of be an upgrade Over
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: Christian Ellis and that's that.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 3: Probably, Perkins, okay BUT i Like Kyle lewis.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: Too, YEAH i mean you got To takekylo's top one.
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: Hundred how About Justin. JEFFERSON i haven't watched him. Yet,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: okay that's that's, DEEP i. Know but his Name's Justin,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 1: Jefferson and that's, like you're, all is there a prospect you've?
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 1: Studied like he's like one one on your all time
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: big board since you've been doing this.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: Right, Probably AND i never understood Why Justin jefferson. Was
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 3: was he like twenty two overall in that draft?
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: Somewhere LIKE i was like A bigs. Pick this makes no. Sense,
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 1: well you got Another Justin jefferson to, watch all.
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: Right Corners Christian, Zales Carlton, Davis Marcus, Jones Chucky, Trees Charles,
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: Woods Kendo, Vidor Kobe, Minor Brendan. Crossley AND i put
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: this guy last BECAUSE i feel like he's a forgotten.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: Soul marcella's, dial who was having a nice training camp last,
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 3: year blew at his knee. RIGHT i, mean he's a.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: Core special teams player for.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: Them in twenty it was like competing for snaps at,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: corner you, know Behind Marcus jones And davis And. Gonzo
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 3: he's still in the.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: Mix to, me he's still in the mix me.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: TOO i put him in bold BECAUSE i wanted to
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: make sure THAT i don't forget About marcella's, Dial LIKE
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: i Think marcell's dial could contribute to this. Team question facilitation,
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 3: question how sneaky of a need is or isn't, cornerback
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: BECAUSE i feel like this is the one that we
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: get a lot of, calls we get a lot of,
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: emails sneaky, needs sneaky? Need is it a sneaky?
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 1: Need so when everybody was, saying like two months, ago
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: you know what's a sneaky, need tight end and it
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: wasn't sneaky because everybody was saying, IT i kept saying
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: it was Corner, Yeah AND i think it's Become and
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: here's the. Thing on the, surface it's not a. Need
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: you still Have Christian, Zalez Carlton, Davis Marcus. Jones that's
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: a really good group that's coming, back but especially on the,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: Boundary like to your, point dial can play the slot
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: and he's probably gonna be here on special. Teams you
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: have depth. THERE i wasn't crazy About Craig woods last.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 3: Year he was.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: Fine Charles. Woods, sorry, CLEARLY i think you can do
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: better as a third boundary, corner which kind of is
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: an important, role Especially Carlton davis's injury. History but the
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: bigger picture thing, is assuming they Pay Christian, Gonzalez Carlton
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: davis is going into the final year of guaranteed money
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: on his. Contract are they going to pay two boundary
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: corners big money With Marcus jones also on a contract
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: like a real. Contract? Yeah or is that a Spot
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: they're gonna have your mark for somebody on a rookie.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: Deal and by the, way for everybody, saying, well that's
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: assuming the pagansals they don't Pay. Gonzalz it's a billion
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: percent of. Need it probably comes their biggest. Need so
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: you're gonna odds are they're gonna need a starting boundary
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: corner in twenty? Seven, yes this is a A you,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: know if you can get that guy this year and
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: he is that third backup boundary now learns and then
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: you just slott him into the spot next. Year that
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: prevents you from being backed into a corner where you
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: have to take a corner higher than you want in
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: next year's, offseason whether it's payingbody would probably be in the, draft.
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: Whatever SO i hear what your center is a big
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: time need for.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: ME i agree with you. Wholeheartedly.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, however just to Play devil's, advocate you want to
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: do this at right, tackle, yeah you want to do
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 1: this at tight end.
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: YEAH i think you want to do this at linebacker.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: Yep and then you probably want to do this at corner,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: okay and at safety so and at. Safety so that's five,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: positions AND i know that they have five picks within
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 3: the first four. Rounds you could theoretically do it where
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: you're drafting a, tackle tight, end, linebacker, safety, Corner, yeah
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: and say that you did, it but that doesn't mean
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: you did it so, right all? Right IF i had
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: a rank those, yes right tackles obviously number one first and.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: Foremost, Yeah i'd probably be between tight end and corner for.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: Second safety and not is worried. About and part of
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: that is this. CLASS i think you get a safety.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: LATER i think there's generally good safeties in the. Draft
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: college is doing a pretty good job of putting them. Out,
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: yeah and then what was the fifth one linebacker? Off,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 1: NO i, said, oh, YEAH i Think Chris nell is
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: a fine. PLAYER i actually don't kJ brick can maybe.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: Play you can be at least good for the depth.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: There and, look it's not to say ideally you would
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: have no needs going in an. Offseason you could just
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: have your, pick but like they're gonna have one or
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: two needs next. Year that's gonna be every. Year so
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: what would you rather be a need, linebacker, corner? CORNER
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: i think that the issue THAT i would rather have
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: corner left.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: UNFILLED i would rather, well they're not gonna have it
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 3: unfilled Because gonza's not going, anywhere, okay But davis might.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: Be but now you're you're looking to acquire at number
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: two corner when you have a top three four corner
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: in the game on the other.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: Side, YEAH i JUST i think that it's very difficult
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: to check all of those boxes WHERE i there's this
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: this draft that we're gonna get to it At saint a,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: second it's a pipeline. Draft, YEAH i also kind of feel,
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: better maybe this is some of. It what do you
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: feel better about a rookie corner or a rookie, linebacker
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: like having to play a somewhat significant role. ROOKIE i don't.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 3: Know it depends on who gets, hurt like it Is
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: gonzo GETTING i don't get good about it.
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: Anything for twenty, Seven like you're either your number two
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: quals AM i drafting the corner in the first, round probably.
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 3: Because whoever like slips through the cracks here this year
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 3: is going to be a top pick next. Year, Right
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: so like if you.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: Don't draft a corner this, year that project Projects this
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: is What i'm, saying, right.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 3: You, know you Know i'm not talking about drafting a
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: corner in the sixth or seventh. Round i'm talking, well next,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: year you'd have to take one, high, Right but that
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 3: but you're going to have to take somebody, high.
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: RIGHT I i would rather take a shot on a
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: corner this, Year but.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 3: You also are taking somebody high next year off of
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: the assumption that you were officially moving on From Carlton,
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 3: davis which you might be. Doing, yeah but if he
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 3: has a good year and he stays, healthy then you
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: might not need to do.
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: THAT i guess that's. True that's. True SO i just
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: look at.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 3: Corner as a place where they. Have they have decent
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: depth as it, is AND i obviously have really good
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 3: top end talent that as it, is AND i think
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 3: that that's Why i'm willing to.
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 1: Like i'd still like to see them improve the third boundary,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: guy and you can do that On day three guys
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: Like massis Or deming's Or dixon Or.
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: Marshall but, right, OKAY i just think that there's gonna
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: be one position at least that slips through the cracks this.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: Year you can't do it, All And i'd much rather
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: worry about corner down the, line especially when you have
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 3: a trio that's as good as you currently.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: Have i'd rather worry about. LINEBACKERS i just think they're
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: easier to.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: Get MAYBE i just like the linebackers a little.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: BIT i liked, well SO i was going to say that.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: TOO i kind of like something, like, AGAIN I Dyalen
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: everett would be so cool, here that would be such
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: a good. Fit YET i can play except apparently against
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: the receivers we.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: Like oh so like against the good, players, uh the
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: fair the last one, Safety, Yeah Kevin, Bayer Craig, Woodson Dell,
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: Pettis Mike, Brown John Saunders Brandon schooler if you want
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: to put him in. Here, this to me is the
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: biggest question of the entire, draft outside to The Aj
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 3: brown of it. All for The, patriots are you drafting
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: safety for an immediate contributor or are you drafting safety
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: for future? Starter fits the profile of their? SAFETY i
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 3: wrote it in, parentheses immediate, contributor you, know big, nickel,
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: Right like you're drafting a guy to be the big
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: nickel box safety that's complimentary To Kevin byard And Craig.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 3: Woodson or are you drafting a guy that's going to
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: start next To Craig woodson Once buyered is ages?
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 13: Out?
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, see this is the one for, me AND i
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: like the safety class where and some of it is
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: like they're this if you're just drafting a third AND
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: i want them to do more three safety. Stuff but
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: you're also gonna do a lot of three corner stuff
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: because they Like Marcus jones and he's going to be
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: on the field AND i don't know how much how
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: often you're gonna be in dying, Right so that is
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: definitely more rotational. Role so you, know you draft somebody this,
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: year if you draft them high enough to be a pipeline.
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: Player they're probably not going to play a lot this.
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: Year kind of want that out of your higher. Picks
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: this is one WHERE i would more draft the third,
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: guy kick it down the.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: Road the other thing is there's a lot there's a
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: lot of slot nickel defenders in this, draft and some of,
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 3: them well.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: See here's THE i don't think they're if they're going
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: for third, SAFETY i think they're going to target the
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: slot nickel because they Have Marcus. PHILLIS i think they're
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: going to hot when they want to go like three
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 1: safety to get, bigger when they want to try to
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: counter teams that have like two good pass catching tight. Ends, Right,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: yeah that kind of. Guy so that's where you get
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 1: into that's the you know The Jalen killgores of the, world,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: right you, know and you know tread And stokes From,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: Arizona Jacoby thomas and.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: Right but those, GUYS i feel like there's a lot
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: of that type of.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: Play so that would but that's not a pipeline. PLAYER
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: i think we re on that.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: Correct so this here's the other.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Thing and Maybe i'm nuts for saying, This i'm. NOT
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 1: i know he's on a one year. DEAL i know
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: he's thirty three years.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: Old you don't Think buyer has done after.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: That i'm not trying to Run buyered out the. Door
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: maybe he, Is, Yeah i'm not operating under the assumption
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 1: that he foresure. Is and IF i have to go
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 1: get a starting safety next, year so be.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 3: IT i think it's. Tough the reason WHY i brought
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: that as the facilitation question is BECAUSE i don't know
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 3: if there's a lot of guys that thread the needle
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: of both of those. THINGS i think there's a lot
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: of cover safeties in this, draft and there's a lot
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: of Like nickel safeties in this, draft AND i don't
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: know if there was a guy a lot of guys
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 3: that do. Both Genesis smith From arizona might be the
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 3: only one because he's done. Both he did The nickel
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: thing in twenty four and then he did the free
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: safety thing in twenty.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: Two real, Quick i'm gonna skip the guys that are
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: in the first. TIME i can Get, halsey which one
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 1: big box, Safety ramsey over the top free, safety just Said, Smith,
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 1: wheatley free, Safety Kilgore, Nickel clark free, Safety Thomas, Jakoba Thomas,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: Miami box V J payne, Box Michael Taffy texas. Box
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: BUT i have, concerns probably more a special. Teamer, yeah
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 1: it Was Newsky draftabole Question Mark All, YEAH i didn't
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: realize how FAR i was down the bord, Here SO
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 1: i was kind of, wondering are any of those guys
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: Watched newski for one? Tape and this always, happens and
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: we got to wrap, up AND i KNOW i got
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: Some are any of those guys close to? Hybrid who's
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: the closest? Hybrid, YEAH i gotta be Wheatly kill Or thomas,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: right but he's going.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: Higher, YEAH i don't. KNOW i DON'T i don't. KNOW
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: i don't. Think. So the real quick thing THAT i
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 3: was going to say is, that like you, all WHEN
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: i try to go really deep at a, position you
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 3: get to a point where you start to, realize, like,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 3: okay there's a drop off. Here i'm getting to the
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 3: point of the draft now WHERE i don't think these
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 3: guys are draftable. Anymore all, right let's get to these.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 3: Phones you guys got to be. Quick we only have
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: a couple more. Minutes mark is In. Connecticut what's?
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 4: Up? Mark?
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 6: Hey, EVIN i was talking To alex off The ether
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 6: ABOUT A. J? Brown what is the reasoning why the
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 6: deal like can't happen, now but make it a Post june,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 6: First you know WHAT i? Mean BECAUSE i think The
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 6: MIAMI tua was, released but he's a Post june, FIRST i, Believe, yeah,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 6: Book so why can't they do the same thing WITH A. J,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 6: Brown like put the deal in place whatever the picks,
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 6: are if the pixo this year or next year, year
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 6: but he's going to be anwing them page it and
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 6: it's a Post june. First i'm just curious on why
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 6: they just can't get it.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 3: Done, yeah so you can't do, that thanks for the.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 3: Call mark just by THE cba the letter of the.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: Line you can't designate a trade Post june. Trade you
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: can do it with. CUTS i haven't gotten the. Grade
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 3: i've asked a lot of. PEOPLE i don't know. That
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: no one really has an.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: Explanation it kind of has to do with like, payroll,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: honestly because when The dolphins cut to, it they're still paying. Them, yeah,
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: right when The eagles TRADE Aj, brown they're not still paying,
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: them but.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 3: They'll have dead money on their cap the same. WAY
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 3: i don't. KNOW i can't come up with a great
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 3: reason for. It but all you need to know it's
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 3: just the way it's. Structure it's just the way the
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: letter of the loss says you can't do.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 5: That you.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 3: KNOW i know this was floated By Adam schefter recently
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: and he debunked that this is happening. THERE i guess
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: you could have a, wink, wink, nudge nudge under the table, saying,
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 3: hey like we got a deal, right, right it's not
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 3: exactly above board to do. THAT i guess theoretically you
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 3: could do. That, also then you're going on the word
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 3: of the two general. Management all of.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: A, sudden some receiver twists his. Knee first day because
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: ota start In, may some receiver twists his. Knee now
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: this other team comes in blows away your, offer, right you,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: know everything goes up And i'm, sure, Look i'm sure
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 1: they've discussed it what it would look like Post june. One,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: right that doesn't mean you can't get ahead on. It
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: but just because The eagles, say, okay you, know we
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 1: like your, offer we're gonna take it On june, second
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: they still have the right change of. Mind here's WHAT
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: i didn't. Know maybe you've looked this up in your.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Research does Post june, one mean like midnight At june,
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: one it can happen or does that mean they can't
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: do it Until june?
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 3: Two they can't do it Until june, two, okay because
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 3: he goes through the transaction wire on the first Of, june,
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: right and then they have to it has to like
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: process and then they can agree to it On june,
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 3: one though well he's, uh, YEAH i guess they could
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: probably agree in. Principle, yeah kind of the same way
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 3: that they do before the league year. Starts but the
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 3: trade has to be processed after the first Of.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 1: June, okay like it has to go through THE who after,
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 1: that it won't be official Until june, second if it, happens, okay.
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah but we might find out On june, first mark
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 3: first at a trade has been agreed to write and.
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 3: Principal last call, here gotta be, Quick brad In. Ohio what's?
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 4: Up?
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: Brad, hey, guys how you doing? Today?
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 4: Good real?
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: QUICK i just wanted to to check or talk about
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: a Guard Kaylin. RUTLEDGE i think he would be a
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 2: steal and then the linebackers From michigan That Wink martindale coached,
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: him SO i know there was An Ernest, housman he was.
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: OUTSTANDING i don't know what happened to. Him but Then
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: Jimmy roder who was injured at the, end And Kayshaan
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: barham was injured during the. Combine SO i Think Jimmy
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: roder would be an undrafted free. Agent Max braddison the
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 2: fullback and instant. Play what do you guys think about?
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 3: That, Yeah, brad thanks for the. Call who's the first?
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: Thing Then, rutledge super physical, guard tested well at the.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 1: Combine he's going to be a top seventy pick or
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: not taking a good? Player, yeah if they take, him
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: we start talking about Is mike won the? Team?
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah one of the best run blocking guards in the,
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 3: draft like tenacious angry finishes, blocks but has played mostly right,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: GUARD i believe throughout his college. Career and The patriots
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 3: have two twenty million dollar, guards not Twenty but.
• 2:00:17
  Speaker 1: YEAH i don't really good player they shouldn't be taking
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: by Bar.
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 3: M's the new hot, name you, know he's the new
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 3: guy with the. DRAFT i really liked his pass rush,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 3: Tape LIKE i think he's an outside linebacker in a three,
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 3: four you, know rushing the passer from a two point.
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 3: Stance he played a little bit off the. Ball he's
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 3: now getting this fringy you, know top. One i'm not even.
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 3: Fringy he's getting top one. Hundred. BUZZ i think my
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 3: Guy crawford From auburn's in a similar book where there's
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 3: JUST i Think i've watched twenty edge rushers so, far
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: And i'm still kind of not. Done ALTHOUGH i did
• 2:00:48
  Speaker 3: kind of fee feel LIKE i hit the. UH i
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 3: Watched Cayden curry From Ohio state earlier to, YEAH i
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 3: kind of feel LIKE i hit the. WALL i was,
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 3: like all, right this, guy this guy's probably he's.
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: Fine he's a day three. Piece day.
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 4: Three.
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah to some of the other guys you, Mentioned Max,
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: bretison really good. Fallback they Signed Reggie. Gilliam that shouldn't
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: be an. Issue, yeah and Then Ernest houseman medically retired
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 1: after the, season so he is not in the.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 3: Draft that's too.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 1: Bad all, right we'll be back next. Week The owners
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 1: meetings is next. Week, yeah so we'll have a GO
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: i am not.
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 3: Going we have a Mic rable press conference at the owners,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 3: Meetings Robert kraft press conference at the owners, Meeting so
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 3: there'll be some stuff to talk about off that and
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 3: then of course we'll keep you updating all the good
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 3: draft stuff and that will be carry us for most
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 3: of the, Time i'm sure on the show as it always.
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: Does but we'll see you guys. Then thanks for. Watching
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: we'll see you next. Week.
• 2:01:39
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• 2:01:43
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• 2:01:52
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• 2:01:54
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