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Monday Mini: Sexual Assault and Rape Culture Today · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to stuff I never told your productive of iHeart Radio.
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  Speaker 3: All right, we are going to put a content warning
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  Speaker 3: from Jump because we are talking sexual assault, rape and
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  Speaker 3: harassment in pre in depth. So if you want to
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  Speaker 3: bypass this understandable. This Monday Mini is one of those
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  Speaker 3: that I am thoroughly anxious about and angry about because
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  Speaker 3: I see no change and such reversal in what has
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  Speaker 3: happened in our society that we can't ignore it, and
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  Speaker 3: it's there's so much, Okay, So to kind of top
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  Speaker 3: it off and tell you why I'm talking about this,
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  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago, while I was going through
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  Speaker 3: my usual doom scrolling, I watched a video of myself
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  Speaker 3: on my far bocam not a sponsor, about how often
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  Speaker 3: I am watching I'm on my phone and it is
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  Speaker 3: constant and it's disturbing. And the reason I have my
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  Speaker 3: far bones so my partner can see myself and my
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  Speaker 3: dog so but because he's out of town right now.
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  Speaker 1: But I don't know why I'm telling all that.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, all that to say is I got to
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  Speaker 3: stop with the dune's throwing. Anyway, going back to the story,
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  Speaker 3: so as I was scrolling, a young woman came on
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  Speaker 3: my feet talking about her experience as a door dasher.
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  Speaker 3: So just to kind of summarize what happened, she i'll
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  Speaker 3: the video that I initially saw was her explaining that
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  Speaker 3: she had taken a delivery set at the door and
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  Speaker 3: only to notice that the door of the delivery was
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  Speaker 3: wide open, which is kind of concerning. If my door
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  Speaker 3: was wide open, or anybody else's door wide open, I'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, are y'all, okay, what's going on? But in
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  Speaker 3: that she could plainly see a man without his pants
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  Speaker 3: on or underwear on all, like they were completely down
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  Speaker 3: to his pants down to his ankles while he was
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  Speaker 3: like covering his face with his arm and his pants
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  Speaker 3: was out. And she was like, wow, that was weird,
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  Speaker 3: And she sent a notice to door Dash asking to like,
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  Speaker 3: I guess kicked him off the app because that was concerning.
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  Speaker 3: Like she didn't say anything to him, she didn't scream
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  Speaker 3: or yell. She's like, well, that was weird, walked away
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  Speaker 3: because I know for all the DoorDash people that they
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  Speaker 3: have to record that they have delivered it, so they're
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  Speaker 3: at least taking a picture. I think she turned the
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  Speaker 3: camera on when she saw the door open, because she
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  Speaker 3: was kind of concerned about what was happening. I would too,
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  Speaker 3: especially the area looked isolated because I couldn't hear any
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  Speaker 3: cards in the background or whatever. Because her video has
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  Speaker 3: been replaced since then, so I've seen.
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  Speaker 1: It pieces of it.
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  Speaker 3: I actually saw the whole thing, and I was like, oh, damn, Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I can understand why she started filming. Being a female
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  Speaker 3: DoorDash or a young, small female do DoorDash er, she
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  Speaker 3: was kind of concerned about what's happening whatever may have been.
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  Speaker 3: But she also posted it online as well to be like, well,
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  Speaker 3: that was a weird interaction. And at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: she figured out when all this happened that she actually
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  Speaker 3: got kicked off door Dash herself, so she was no
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  Speaker 3: longer allowed to deliver, and she was concerned about what
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  Speaker 3: was going on. She was and given the next reason,
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  Speaker 3: so she went in and was like trying to figure
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  Speaker 3: it out, and she was imploring the viewers to find
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  Speaker 3: out what's going on, essentially, because we know that a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people have been taking corporations public on social
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  Speaker 3: media to get justice or even just a refund, just
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  Speaker 3: a response, and and that it went.
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  Speaker 1: Like mile very quickly.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody was like, we're boycotting Door Dash, how dare you
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  Speaker 3: da da da da da again also not a sponsor.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they wanted to talk about this, and
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  Speaker 3: all these things happen in very quick secession. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: so that happened DoorDash made a statement about the fact
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  Speaker 3: that they have policies that you cannot doc customers, in
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  Speaker 3: which they responded saying that she had posted his address
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  Speaker 3: and all these things. So I'm like, okay, that is concerning,
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  Speaker 3: and you don't want that to happen. At the same time,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of bad happening here. All of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden comes this slander. I don't know how it popped off,
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  Speaker 3: because it was like a couple of back back to back,
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  Speaker 3: Like you know, social media moves quick. If something is
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  Speaker 3: picked up, it goes very quickly. New videos are popped
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  Speaker 3: up with different influencers talking about how new information has
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  Speaker 3: come to light. The door was never actually opened. She
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  Speaker 3: pushed it open and then took films of him to
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  Speaker 3: be considered revenge porn. She purposely recorded him in order
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  Speaker 3: to get this reaction, and she lied about being assaulted.
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  Speaker 3: So this is where I was concerned number one, because
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  Speaker 3: I was like, wait, what okay, if all these other
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  Speaker 3: things happen, which is still kind of odd, why would
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  Speaker 3: the door be open if she opened that door. That's
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  Speaker 3: still concerning for sure, but also like, huh, this is
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  Speaker 3: sexual harassment in different states that is coded as sexual
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  Speaker 3: harassments could be considered sexual assault. It is public indecency.
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  Speaker 3: These are sexual violations that can get you in trouble. Typically,
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  Speaker 3: public indecency is a misdemeanor case in most of the places,
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  Speaker 3: but if you get enough charges, it's obvious that if
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  Speaker 3: you're getting sexually aroused or sexual pleasure from these types
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  Speaker 3: of a this is a sexual violent act, whether you
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  Speaker 3: want to call it that or not. People were really
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  Speaker 3: going in how dare you use this language? I am
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  Speaker 3: a survivor. I would never like you are making my
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  Speaker 3: incident look less. And I was like, that's a weird take,
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  Speaker 3: because I myself, who has also been a victim and
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  Speaker 3: a survivor.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 3: I've also been flashed, and I will tell you that
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  Speaker 3: haunted me because I was so upset with myself with
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  Speaker 3: the way I reacted that I didn't feel like I
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  Speaker 3: reacted mad enough that allowed things to happen with him,
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  Speaker 3: like not being punished because I didn't know what to do.
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  Speaker 1: I just kind of I.
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  Speaker 3: Froze and it upset me pretty terribly, Like I still
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  Speaker 3: think about it and get like sick of my stomach.
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  Speaker 3: In this set, I never interact with him, We never talked.
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  Speaker 3: He did it and walked away, like I think I
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  Speaker 3: actually haunked my horn at him because he was in
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the road. Like it was such an
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  Speaker 3: odd occurrence, but I absolutely felt violated, and I still
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  Speaker 3: do to this day. It makes me feel nauseous. So
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  Speaker 3: it was such a weird response to me that these
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  Speaker 3: were the things I'm coming out. Whether she did the
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  Speaker 3: other things, yes, sure, But it comes back round about
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  Speaker 3: a few days later where it turns out nobody had
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  Speaker 3: proof of this accusation that at first they were like
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  Speaker 3: she said it in her first post that she opened
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  Speaker 3: the door. Nope, never said it. The post that she posted,
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  Speaker 3: which she shouldn't have posted. I think she should have
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  Speaker 3: definitely given it to door Dash or to the like
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  Speaker 3: cops or whatever. But at the same time, we let me,
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  Speaker 3: let me backtrack, let's say that she should not have
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  Speaker 3: posted it. I'm not gonna actually say that. What I'm
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  Speaker 3: gonna say is, we know oftentimes if we don't have
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  Speaker 3: that type of proof, we're not believed, we being victims
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  Speaker 3: and survivors, and even if we do, still not believed.
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  Speaker 1: And this was kind of that prime example.
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  Speaker 3: And not only that that it became completely different. It
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  Speaker 3: got a good, completely different take where people were saying,
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  Speaker 3: she said this, she opened the door, she admitted it,
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  Speaker 3: and there's never that video. They started photoshopping it to
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  Speaker 3: make it look like it was cracked when it was
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  Speaker 3: actually wide open. They tried to pretend like she saw
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  Speaker 3: him out when it was very in plain view, and
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  Speaker 3: that also she was there forever looking for this when
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  Speaker 3: actually it was a very quick incident, and her going, well,
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  Speaker 3: that's weird to the fact that, like we had people
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  Speaker 3: with millions of followers saying that she's a liar, and
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  Speaker 3: people who are rape apologists coming back with this is
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  Speaker 3: why we can't believe all women. They even compared her
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  Speaker 3: to the white woman who had Emmitt still murdered like
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  Speaker 3: that that, yeah, that's how it went. That, this is
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  Speaker 3: why how this happened. They accused her of the same thing,
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  Speaker 3: and I was like, what is happening. What. I don't
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  Speaker 3: get involved in these because like it is one of
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  Speaker 3: those things that you need to see it how it
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  Speaker 3: plays out before making any And then I'm not making
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  Speaker 3: any assumptions on any of these things.
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  Speaker 1: These are the things that I've followed.
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  Speaker 3: And then came these conversations of people coming back to, hey,
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  Speaker 3: you see what's happening here? This is an odd take.
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  Speaker 3: Why are y'all talking about this woman like this? She
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  Speaker 3: comes on upset and like I will say her video
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  Speaker 3: because I don't always believe like people who come home
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  Speaker 3: with the crying and tears. It was kind of like
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  Speaker 3: shocking her. She was screaming into the video, talking about
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  Speaker 3: why I'm the victim? Why are you doing this to me?
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  Speaker 3: And so like there's so much emotion and heaviness in
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  Speaker 3: this plot. And then came other conversations about like could
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  Speaker 3: these be bots? People are starting to think that maybe
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  Speaker 3: a big corporation have bought bots in order to do
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  Speaker 3: this smear campaign against this woman because they were dropping
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  Speaker 3: in subscribers. So this was from a Reddit post, because
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of Reddit posts, you know, Reddit has
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  Speaker 3: a whole lot of feels, and this is one of
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  Speaker 3: the things they talk about, and they gave an overview
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  Speaker 3: of the incident, and they go in to say. On
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  Speaker 3: TikTok and Twitter, the overwhelming consensus seems to be that
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  Speaker 3: the door was originally just cracked open and DoorDash driver
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  Speaker 3: was the one who opened it. Comments claimed that one
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  Speaker 3: she posted a video of actually opening it and going inside,
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  Speaker 3: and two she made a follow up video where she
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  Speaker 3: talked about opening the door. Literally, thousands of comments, some
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  Speaker 3: with thousands of lights claim that this is the case.
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  Speaker 3: But the strange part is that no one has any
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  Speaker 3: evidence of it. When pressed, People either claim that they
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  Speaker 3: saw video of it on Twitter, Reddit but cannot produce
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  Speaker 3: a link, that video doesn't exist because it was instantly
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  Speaker 3: deleted from TikTok, come on, who's buying that in twenty
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  Speaker 3: twenty five, or post an image of wide open door
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  Speaker 3: cropped in half to make it look like the door
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  Speaker 3: is not wide open. All the options seemed strange, door
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  Speaker 3: Dash or some other entity running a propaganda campaign. People
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  Speaker 3: being done on the internet and claiming they saw it
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  Speaker 3: just because everyone else is claiming the same thing, or
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  Speaker 3: it genuinely was a viral video, or that no one
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  Speaker 3: saved or screenshoted, so everybody's this is like nothing on
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  Speaker 3: the internet goes away.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about this before.
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  Speaker 3: People do screenshot things, people do screen record things because
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  Speaker 3: that's what they do. There has not been one single video.
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  Speaker 3: Her first video interestingly shows pretty quickly what happened. Act
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  Speaker 3: she drops it off, opens it up, and it's like
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  Speaker 3: the way you open the door comes towards you, so
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  Speaker 3: it doesn't even go in. You have to pull the
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  Speaker 3: door open. And there's two doors by the way, there's
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  Speaker 3: an actual door and a screen door, and both are
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  Speaker 3: wide open. So all of these things aren't very odd
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  Speaker 3: because they have yet to show any video. And then
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  Speaker 3: there's this case that the due came on and had
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  Speaker 3: a whole thing and how he had a ring video,
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  Speaker 3: and in the video that she posts there's no ring camera,
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  Speaker 3: so it's kind of like there now with all of that,
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  Speaker 3: it has since come out that people have been doxing
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  Speaker 3: him like they did dox him. They one specific dude
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  Speaker 3: who does this whole thing of like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 3: we talked about the people call out people who go
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  Speaker 3: after people like this, and I've kind of had this
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  Speaker 3: mixed feeling.
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  Speaker 1: I don't love it, like it.
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  Speaker 3: There's something about this that's not let's kind of bite
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  Speaker 3: everybody in the butt, And people who are crusading to
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  Speaker 3: do this are not always to me genuine and trying
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  Speaker 3: to be helpful as much as this is getting them views.
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  Speaker 3: But all of that to say, like someone does look
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  Speaker 3: him up. Supposedly he has another charge with something similar
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  Speaker 3: to this, that they found these. I don't know if
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  Speaker 3: that's true. I don't know if that's validated. Everybody wants
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  Speaker 3: to say it is. But of course, again watching this
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  Speaker 3: in real time, going back and forth, like there's proof
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  Speaker 3: that she lied, here's this, she's not a victim? How
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  Speaker 3: dare she use it? Like? It was such a back
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  Speaker 3: and forth and I was like, what is happening? And
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  Speaker 3: that made me start thinking as I was researching this,
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  Speaker 3: what happened since the beginning of Me Too? Has our attitudes?
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  Speaker 3: Has the public attitudes? Has a justice system changed in
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  Speaker 3: believing victim?
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  Speaker 1: Then? You know, just just a quick reminder.
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  Speaker 3: This is something to Rona Brooke started in two thousand
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  Speaker 3: and six, which was brought to social media in twenty
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  Speaker 3: seventeen by a celebrity that also coincided with the Times
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  Speaker 3: Up when a lot of sexual harassment, sexual assaults of violence, rape,
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  Speaker 3: and all of these things were happening in different industries
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  Speaker 3: and no one was believing it, and so both of
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  Speaker 3: these things came in conjunction. So there are several articles
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  Speaker 3: from twenty twenty four talking about how, yes, actually this
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  Speaker 3: has helped. It's established some nonprofits and funded some good organizations,
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  Speaker 3: and people are starting to do a little more listening
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  Speaker 3: more so than anything else. Victims and survivors are coming
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  Speaker 3: out fighting, so that's lovely to see. But the reality
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  Speaker 3: of all that is just like in this narrative, not
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  Speaker 3: much has changed. Survivors are still not being believed. As
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  Speaker 3: in fact, Newsweek recently did an article about the issue,
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  Speaker 3: and they did report on this saying, according to the
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  Speaker 3: National Sexual Violence Resource Center, eighty one percent of women
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  Speaker 3: and forty one percent of men in the US experienced
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  Speaker 3: some form of sexual harassment or assault. So like it
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  Speaker 3: is happening. I was trying to get all the data,
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  Speaker 3: and I was, I was looking through different ones, but
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  Speaker 3: nothing is The change has been so non existent that
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  Speaker 3: the numbers have not changed. It's one in six for
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  Speaker 3: like rape for women, like is still that same number
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  Speaker 3: that we saw And I know we did report when
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  Speaker 3: I first started, because I was very like, we need
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  Speaker 3: to talk about these things. It kind of was the
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  Speaker 3: reason we started the podcast together, and it's not changed.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, the not believing women has kind of gotten
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  Speaker 3: worse since the administration. I'm going to talk about that
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  Speaker 3: in a minute, because that's another rabbit hole that I
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  Speaker 3: think we're gonna have to look into, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to because it's going to make me sad and sick.
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  Speaker 3: But also the other common conversation in this is that
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  Speaker 3: the gig workers, including people like DoorDash, are actually the
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  Speaker 3: number one people in the in any industry, in workforce
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  Speaker 3: that are harassed or assaulted. So it's not uncommon to
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  Speaker 3: see as in fact, I saw like article after article
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  Speaker 3: about Uber's problem with sexual harassment and how they are
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  Speaker 3: not doing anything to address it. So we know Uber, Door, Dash, Lift,
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  Speaker 3: all of them kind of go hand in hand in
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  Speaker 3: what they do, like people are interchangeable in this in
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  Speaker 3: these organizations, and that they are not believed. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: the amount of cases that has not gone down in
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  Speaker 3: any kind of justice. P Diddy case was very apparent
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  Speaker 3: about how they did not believe women, as well as
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  Speaker 3: the baseball player who rate, the several young girls he
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  Speaker 3: got off with like a slap on the wrist. I
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  Speaker 3: just saw another case where he got a sweetheart deal,
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  Speaker 3: as in like he just was on probation and wasn't
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  Speaker 3: even on the offender list. Brock Turner, I believe he
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  Speaker 3: goes by Alan Turner now was a prime example of
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  Speaker 3: what he's doing. And people I love the people who
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  Speaker 3: were like, hey, he's in this town now, this is
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  Speaker 3: what he goes by, this is what he looks like.
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  Speaker 3: Remember him, yes, remember them. But these are prime examples
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  Speaker 3: of the fact that the women are still not believed,
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  Speaker 3: like it's still just as bad as it was. And yeah,
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  Speaker 3: with all of this, the quick research brought up a
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  Speaker 3: lot of statistics of how the current administration has allowed
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  Speaker 3: for this toxic culture to continue and their policies have
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  Speaker 3: put a strain on any forward movement in helping survivors
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  Speaker 3: getting any justice. So this is from the National Women's
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  Speaker 3: Lossenter about what they have kind of done, like loosely
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  Speaker 3: about day done.
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  Speaker 1: So this is their quote.
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  Speaker 3: Trump directed that his administration to freeze funding, including to
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  Speaker 3: the Sinners for Disease Control and Prevention CDC's rape Prevention
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  Speaker 3: and Education program, leaving organizations confused, causing some to lay
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  Speaker 3: off staff and disrupting their ability to maintain basic services.
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  Speaker 3: The groups impacted include those that work on sexual violence
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  Speaker 3: prevention in schools and colleges. Also, the Department of Justice
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  Speaker 3: DOJ's Office on Violence against Women, another critical source of
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  Speaker 3: funding for group's tackling sexual violence, removed information about grant
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  Speaker 3: opportunities from their website, creating additional confusion and concern for
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  Speaker 3: service providers. Trump issued executive orders targeting diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives,
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  Speaker 3: putting LGBTQIA plus and survivors of color particularly at risk.
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  Speaker 3: Survivor's services programs now face a cruel choice scrub inclusive
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  Speaker 3: languages from their website to stay compliant and keep funding,
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  Speaker 3: or stand up for their most vulnerable communities and risk
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  Speaker 3: financial ruin. Within weeks of the executive orders, the Office
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  Speaker 3: of Management and Budget flag more than two dozen DOJ
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  Speaker 3: programs for compliance review that distributed over half a billion
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  Speaker 3: dollars to combat sexual violence. And if you want a reminder, yes,
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  Speaker 3: the people who are most vulnerable and highest in statistics
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  Speaker 3: for sexual violence for being victims of sexual violence are
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  Speaker 3: people of color and marginalized people. Trump's anti DEI executive
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  Speaker 3: orders have cost fear and confusion among survivor advocates. Organizations
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  Speaker 3: are left guessing how to navigate murky maindates while maintaining
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  Speaker 3: their core values and commitments to LGBTQI A plus and
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  Speaker 3: survivors of color. Trump's cut targeting sanctuary cities threatened rape
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  Speaker 3: crisis programs and communities that they are to protect immigrants,
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  Speaker 3: so especially if you're an immigrant, you have no rise
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  Speaker 3: for protection, like we already know that. As in fact,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of concerned about what is happening to
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  Speaker 3: the women and children and the detention centers, and there's
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  Speaker 3: no accountability, like we know that the one thing John
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  Speaker 3: Osof did with the first Attention center happening CS under Obama,
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  Speaker 3: we're disgusting and really concerning. He got a lot of
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: information that he's trying to get more information and a
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: lot of other people are too, and we're not getting it.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: And it's kind of concerning. Actually it's very concerning. Trump
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  Speaker 3: recently laid off staff and gutted core programs at CDC,
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  Speaker 3: including within the Divisions of Violence Prevention that includes programs
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  Speaker 3: focused on rape prevention.
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  Speaker 1: Education.
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  Speaker 3: Experts at CDC including the director of the Office of
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Family Violence and Prevention Services, who funded and evaluated programs
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: aiming at reducing sexual violence, have been placed on leave,
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  Speaker 3: disrupting funding pipelines two rape crisis centers, causing organizations to
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: shift services away from supporting survivors. As a result of this,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: decades of this crucial work will be lost. So that
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: was all from their site. And by the way, that
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: doesn't include the amount of rape kits that have been
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: ignored and are now done for, done for, so no
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: justice whatsoever. It has only increased the problem. We already
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: know that he did away with a lot of anything
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: that had around women's protection from jump.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: So that was the thing.
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  Speaker 3: And for the fact, the biggest concern for the GOP
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: is protecting the children and women. They sure don't care
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: about helping anyone or getting justice for anyone, it says
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: from fulcrum dot com, written by mel Bailey. In the
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  Speaker 3: weeks following the twenty twenty four election, the President selected
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  Speaker 3: five men for senior government positions who have either been
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  Speaker 3: accused of rape or sexual misconduct, or have been entangled
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: in serious allegations of their mistreatment of women, reflecting a
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: troubling societal acceptance of the disregard for women, their safety,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and their rights. A January twenty twenty four study published
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: by JAMA or JAMMA Internal Medicine one revealed that in
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: the years following the overturn of Robi Wade, a Supreme
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Court decision that the stripped women in the US of
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: their constitutional right to access abortion healthcare, sixty four thousand
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: pregnancies in fourteen US states resulted from rape. Imagine if
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: this figure is extrapolated to include all fifty states and
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: what that means about how many rapes are occurring in
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: the US overall. Despite this alarming data, the conversation around
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: sexual violence remains disturbingly muted. I hate this information having
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: to go through and look at all this conversation. And
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: of course this has not included the conversation about the
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: fact that Epstein files have been interestingly blocked by all
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: these same people who are like save the children, Save
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: the children.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and who campaigned on yeah will make.
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: Them, well, we will make the public. And yet they're
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: saying we're not doing that. My Johnson, mister godly man
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  Speaker 3: of God, No, that's none of your business.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to move on. Yeah, why are you
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: still talking about that.
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  Speaker 3: But that is exactly what's happening. This is why we
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  Speaker 3: have a problem, because they are doing so hard a
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: campaign against any survivors and victims that if those files
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: do come out, they can easily turn around be like, no,
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: she's a liar.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: She's a liar. She's a liar, she's a liar. These
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: can't be right, These can't be right.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: She's not pretty enough, which has been still the most
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: infuriating in conversation I've ever heard in my life.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Like, what the fuck are you talking about?
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: Let me punch you in the dick because you deserve it.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: And I've stand by that. I don't condone violence, but
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: stand by that conversation. There's a lot going on in
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: any form of sexual violence, any form of sexual harassment
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: and assaults is disgusting. And as a person who worked
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: in social work that can look at patterns, especially when
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: I watched the young kids go from the sexual predator
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: to an adult as an adult and trying to get treatment,
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: you can see a clear level of attempt and oftentimes
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: it starts with lude behavior as publican decency, voyeurism, touching, grooming.
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: This is that conversation we've talked about like to see
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: what they can get away with, and then it grows.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: This is really alarming that people really want to pin
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: survivors against survivors, saying this is not as bad as this,
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: and really think that's okay. Don't get me wrong. There
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: are like, according to the judicial system, levels of intent
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: versus like levels of harm. But an act of sexual
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: violence is an act of sexual violence. And even though
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: for a while the public in society wanting to make
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: that a joke, this type of sexual violence publican decency
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: exposing themselves as a joke, they should understand that it
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: is very harmful. And I don't know anything about this
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: young lady's history, but like I said, when I was
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: flashed as an adult, seeing that was one of the
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: things that really even talking about it now, I'm a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: little shaken, like I want to vomit, But like this
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: is that conversation like that blows my mind. If nothing else,
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: like the nothing like if it even had proven that
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: she had opened the door, whatever, whatnot.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: That's a whole different conversation. But one of the biggest
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: things that I'm like, why are we.
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: Saying, how dare you minimize my experience by having this
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: experience and talking about it. It's such an odd take,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: and of course I'm always going to be that person
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: that says feels some type of way that other survivors
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: can't support some survivors, like it's beyond me that you
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: can't do that. There's a lot in this conversation, but
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: I feel like, unfortunately that has opened a lot of
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: people's eyes or fortunately, it's just unfortunate that that's the
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: standing we have in society, is that we are backtracking
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: and seeing many people turn against victims and survivors and
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: not willing to believe even in this day and age,
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: even when there's there's evidence that they are still willing
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: to demonize the victim and survivor more than the perpetrator. Yeah, sorry, y'all,
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: Happy Monday.
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, happy Monday. No, it is very important and we
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: will all have to come back and revisit it because
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: there's just so many threats to that conversation that are very,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: very scary, and we're seeing them play out in all
• 23:28
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