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The TRUTH About Spielberg's DISCLOSURE DAY, Project Blue Beam & The UAP Phenomenon | Dr Mike Sullivan · Chris Thrall's Bought the T-Shirt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: My daughter Ellie had this ankle pain and we went
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  Speaker 1: to see Vgi orthopedics. They actually picked up on her
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  Speaker 1: fatigue issues, so they brought in a rheumatologist and just
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  Speaker 1: a few small tests, they realized that Ellie was sediac.
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  Speaker 1: So what was brilliant was that Vhi had a pediatric
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  Speaker 1: dietitian ready to help manage her diet.
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  Speaker 2: Really felt seamless, Vhi, because your health means everything.
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  Speaker 3: Hello friends, I'm your host, christrou I'm a former Rumeries commando.
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  Speaker 3: I've adventured for better and sometimes worse, across eighty countries
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  Speaker 3: on all seven continents. Welcome to the Port the t
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  Speaker 3: Shirt Podcast. Would you believe it? My keys, I'm looking
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  Speaker 3: at these photos and thinking when we used to have
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  Speaker 3: those those chats that we did in our room in
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  Speaker 3: trade or the grot as they call it in the Marines,
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  Speaker 3: it would never have occurred to us that forty years
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  Speaker 3: later we'd be you know, you'd be a doctor PhD
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  Speaker 3: writing books. I'd be writing books and hosting a podcast,
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  Speaker 3: and here we would be hooking up again like old oppos,
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  Speaker 3: chatting about UFO disclosure.
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  Speaker 4: Well, everything happens for a reason. Chris, First of all,
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  Speaker 4: thanks for inviting me on. It's great to see you again.
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  Speaker 4: But yeah, who would have imagined could you have imagined
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  Speaker 4: or scripted this almost what thirty age, almost forty years ago,
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  Speaker 4: that we'd be here? Yeah, this chat it is.
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  Speaker 3: Life is kind of mad, isn't it. And it's I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. Maybe there's something about it keeps people in
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  Speaker 3: your life for a reason and others disappear.
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  Speaker 4: I believe that. I don't believe in coincidence. Now, this
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  Speaker 4: is synchronous. This is synchronicity, to be sure. And I
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  Speaker 4: think we came into each other's lives, as you say,
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  Speaker 4: almost forty years ago, for a reason now and we're
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  Speaker 4: beginning to see the reason why. It's becoming more clear.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Sorry, I'm smiling here because while you're talking, I'm
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  Speaker 3: showing the photos. If I keep looking over there, Mike's
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  Speaker 3: because I've got another screen on the guard. I'm not
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  Speaker 3: being rude. I'm showing the photo of us getting our
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  Speaker 3: commando flashes after the thirty mile the thirty mile speed
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  Speaker 3: march across Dark.
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  Speaker 4: Grace.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's one of us that's in the first
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  Speaker 3: week of joining, when they they had us on the
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  Speaker 3: praise square for the big troop photo. A lot of
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  Speaker 3: those faces didn't make it through, mate, did they.
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  Speaker 4: They didn't first indeed they didn't.
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  Speaker 3: And there's the one of us on first step where.
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  Speaker 4: I think, is that with the big Jordy guy? Is
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  Speaker 4: he there? Then?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, Swainston his name was.
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  Speaker 4: He was a I love that. You can remember the details.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can remember all of that. We're looking a
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  Speaker 3: bit washed out. Yeah, this chap here, we're talking about friends.
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  Speaker 3: So on my first day, I was I was putting
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  Speaker 3: this stuff in my locker, Mike, and yeah, there's a
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  Speaker 3: few lads knocking around who'd arrived on the train already
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  Speaker 3: sort of before me and I arrived with a group.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm putting my starting to put my stuff into
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  Speaker 3: my locker in the induction block, which is a bit
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  Speaker 3: sort of full full metal jacket, and this big towering
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  Speaker 3: guy looks down at me and he says, you're a
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  Speaker 3: can he lad lock mine like, I'm I'm from Plymouth.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, what what the hell?
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  Speaker 4: What language is this?
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  Speaker 3: I said, I said, sorry, mate, he said, you're a
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  Speaker 3: canny lad having a locker next to mine. I was
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  Speaker 3: like all right. I was like, okay, no, this is
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  Speaker 3: not fighting stations. Yet this guy cut This guy comes
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  Speaker 3: in peace.
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  Speaker 4: He did come in peace. Yeah, he was a gentle
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  Speaker 4: to be sure.
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  Speaker 3: What are your thoughts then, Mike? I know we've we've
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  Speaker 3: discussed this because I see you in person, But what
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  Speaker 3: are your thoughts then? On? So I'm just pointing out
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  Speaker 3: to people this one's me in the photo, folks, there's
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  Speaker 3: Mike at the at the back. Seems crazy that after
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  Speaker 3: for forty years, two of these guys have only just
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  Speaker 3: left left left the Marines and this is us getting tanked.
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  Speaker 3: This is a punishment routine.
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  Speaker 4: I'm building stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm just down here, folks. I was the first
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  Speaker 3: person into the tank. There's me and as you can see,
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  Speaker 3: everyone's overtaking me. That's how abysmal my swimming was. And
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  Speaker 3: there's my clok getting out, getting out, getting out second. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: So it's funny, isn't it the things you do when
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  Speaker 3: you're young. What are your thoughts on the on the
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  Speaker 3: military experience?
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  Speaker 4: Well, as we discussed earlier, I don't I don't have
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  Speaker 4: any regrets per se about join in the military. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: after all, you and I met, which was a great
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  Speaker 4: experience and still is, and there's reasons for that, but
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  Speaker 4: in general terms, you know, the stereotypical discipline, you know,
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  Speaker 4: it taught you certain things and that's lasted for life,
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  Speaker 4: and it's built character and everything else. But of course
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  Speaker 4: as being mature, I mean, one of the main motivating
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  Speaker 4: factors for me was my grandfather, who was a Royal
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  Speaker 4: Marine and Second World walk So there was a lot
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  Speaker 4: of idealers and surrounding that, because you know, he felt
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  Speaker 4: he was making a difference. But of course the whole
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  Speaker 4: idea of PTSD didn't When I was talking to my
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  Speaker 4: grandfather back in the late seventies early eighties, that term
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  Speaker 4: hadn't been having been created, and he suffered a lot
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  Speaker 4: later on in life with some of the things that
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  Speaker 4: he said he did, particularly the final pushing Berlin and things.
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  Speaker 4: But for me, I suppose as an impressionable because I
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  Speaker 4: was about forty to fifteen when I was talking to
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  Speaker 4: my grandfather, it seemed like a good idea at the
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  Speaker 4: time and it still was. I aspects of it I
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  Speaker 4: thoroughly enjoyed. When I joined forty Commando. After we completed
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  Speaker 4: training in Christopher Remami Chris nineteen ninety, we.
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  Speaker 3: Went through trade, we passed out, passed out in nineteen
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  Speaker 3: eighty nine.
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  Speaker 4: We started in eighty eight. It was June eighty eighth
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  Speaker 4: we started. We passed out in eighteen nine. Yeah, because
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  Speaker 4: I went straight to forty commander, you went to four
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  Speaker 4: to two and the forty I think had just returned
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  Speaker 4: from there the tour of Northern Ireland and then we're
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  Speaker 4: about to deploy to the Caribbean, the Sunshine Boys as
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  Speaker 4: they were an officially. So we had some great jollies
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  Speaker 4: in jib and the Dutch Antilles, very topical right now,
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  Speaker 4: just off the coast of Venezuela et cetera, Puerto Rico,
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  Speaker 4: and we pulled into so yeah, So no regrets, no regrets,
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  Speaker 4: not whatsoever.
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  Speaker 3: But did you go to Barbados for any chance?
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  Speaker 4: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Did you ever go to Well?
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  Speaker 4: Interestingly, because we were deployed the Trepid, there was two
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  Speaker 4: true carried raw male ships there was the Field was
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  Speaker 4: the Feelers and the Intrepid. The Intrepid, actually interesting, was
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  Speaker 4: called the death Star because every time it left Southampton
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  Speaker 4: somebody actually died on that ship. And the nappy manager,
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  Speaker 4: who was a bit corrupt, I think he threw himself
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  Speaker 4: into the barbor and Jip and I think one guy
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  Speaker 4: when we got to Fort Vorderdale in the States. One
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  Speaker 4: of the old sweats was working down the plank a
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  Speaker 4: heart attack. It was an interesting time to be on
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  Speaker 4: board that vessel. But yeah, so yeah, jib Caribbean, it's great.
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  Speaker 3: Did you go to Paradise Beach in Barbados? Not that
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  Speaker 3: I recall, It's kind of like was a was a
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  Speaker 3: traditional stop off for the matloads of marines on board.
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  Speaker 3: There was a massive like hotel complex just back off
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  Speaker 3: the beach. You could sit in the hotel pool and
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  Speaker 3: drink peanut colladas and all this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, possibly possibly did the reason why I hesitated of
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  Speaker 4: That's what I was about to say. There was a
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  Speaker 4: fifty five foot racing yacht captained by a former Mattlow
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  Speaker 4: commander that was following the intrapid around that Caribbean tour.
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  Speaker 4: When we were on the the on the ENTRAPPERD and
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  Speaker 4: mine mate Nick Seabrook Marie Seabrook was he was not
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  Speaker 4: a very good sailor, and he'd secured a place on
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  Speaker 4: this yacht because we could all go on this shot
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  Speaker 4: and crew it the boots the boot Mexico and crew
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  Speaker 4: this yacht. And I wanted to go on that but
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  Speaker 4: he got he got the final place and then he
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  Speaker 4: got seasick so he couldn't go on it. So I
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  Speaker 4: took over. So we then left the main deployments and
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  Speaker 4: had a jolley on this fifty five foot racing Nicholson.
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  Speaker 4: So we went to some of the Winwood I think
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  Speaker 4: it was the Winwood Islands, like Becua and Grenada, of
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  Speaker 4: all places, which is interesting. So we ended up in Grenada,
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  Speaker 4: but we didn't end up in Barbados. But I don't
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  Speaker 4: call Paradise Beach necessarily now.
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  Speaker 3: The only reason I mentioned it is when we rode
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  Speaker 3: to Barbados last year, right on our Atlantic row, Louis
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  Speaker 3: and I I went to seek out this beach Mike
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  Speaker 3: that I've got photos of. It was. It was absolute paradise.
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  Speaker 3: We we we sailed like yourself. We sailed on HMS Invincible.
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  Speaker 3: I was part of the high security team on there
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  Speaker 3: at the time, and we sailed across to Barbados and
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  Speaker 3: all the matloads were like, you've got to go to
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  Speaker 3: Paradise Beach, you know. So the first thing we did
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  Speaker 3: was we walked off ship. Everyone jumped in cabs at
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  Speaker 3: the at the dockyard gate and we arrived at this
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  Speaker 3: beach that was just like something out of a Hollywood film.
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  Speaker 3: There was that film Cocktail at the time, Tom Cruise.
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  Speaker 3: It really was like that beach cabanners drinking your rum
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  Speaker 3: and your beers and you know what, you know what,
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  Speaker 3: it is a bit hard to explain to people that
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  Speaker 3: haven't been in that military kind of you know, you're
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  Speaker 3: there with your buddies, lounging around on the beach, drinking beer,
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  Speaker 3: getting paid paid for it in a part of the
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  Speaker 3: world that back then not very many people went to Barbados.
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  Speaker 4: It was it was a privilege.
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  Speaker 3: Right when when we when we went back on the
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  Speaker 3: row and I met my family there, I say, guys,
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  Speaker 3: you've got to come to Paradise Beach. It's just going
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  Speaker 3: to be. It was the biggest anti climax I think
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  Speaker 3: it's possible to you know, they say don't meet your
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  Speaker 3: idols and don't revisit old places. The hotel complex might
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  Speaker 3: which was like five star luxury, it was all reclaimed
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  Speaker 3: by the jungle. The jungle the creepers had grown. All
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  Speaker 3: the windows were out, all the exquisite flooring was gone
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  Speaker 3: and it was just the water pipes left. The swimming
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  Speaker 3: pools were just brown and cracked, and the tiles off.
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  Speaker 3: There was bats obviously in the ceiling, so there was
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  Speaker 3: bat caac like everywhere. The beach itself no longer had
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  Speaker 3: this beautiful view because they built the dockyard at one
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  Speaker 3: side of it where the big cruise ships were coming in.
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  Speaker 3: So one thing I wanted to ask you, then, you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's research. I'm just going to friends, I'm just gonna
• 12:34
  Speaker 3: give my Everest upcoming Everest summit a shout out. It's
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  Speaker 3: not often you get you know that someone's gonna sum
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  Speaker 3: it Mount Everest, and I'm going to do that in May.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to do it to shine a light for
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  Speaker 3: struggling veterans, of suicidal veterans, because I've lost a few
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  Speaker 3: of my military buddies over the years and a fair
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  Speaker 3: few civilians as well. And no one's talking about this, folks,
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  Speaker 3: And one I wanted to say to Mike, if you
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  Speaker 3: can spare five quid, folks, by the way, there's a link.
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  Speaker 3: There's a link below in the description box, or there's
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  Speaker 3: a link in the comments. No one's talking about the
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  Speaker 3: link between our childhood's Mike and the fact that research
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  Speaker 3: shows if you've had a challenging childhood that I would suggest.
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  Speaker 3: I think a significant amount of squaddies and Marines have.
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  Speaker 3: I just think it's our makeup. Then you're far more
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  Speaker 3: likely to experience PTSD. So, even though we like to
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  Speaker 3: think the PTSD comes from war, if you haven't had
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  Speaker 3: a childhood you know what they call adverse childhood experiences,
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  Speaker 3: then when you go to war, you're far more likely
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  Speaker 3: to develop PTSD because of it. And I just wondered
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  Speaker 3: if you had time to reflect on that over the years.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mentioned my grandfather earlier and his when he
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  Speaker 4: came back after he was in various theaters including North Africa,
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  Speaker 4: was there on D Day and the final push. You know.
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  Speaker 4: They lived in a very small house in a rough, tough,
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  Speaker 4: working class area Merseyside. So yeah, absolutely, I mean that trauma. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: and of course it wasn't talked about that, but I
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  Speaker 4: think it's intergenerational also, So when I had the conversations
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  Speaker 4: with my grandfather, even though I made that decision to
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  Speaker 4: go into the ro Marines based on his experiences, but
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  Speaker 4: they were ideological reasons why I wanted to do. Maybe
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  Speaker 4: we talk about that later.
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  Speaker 3: But Mike, can you can you speak up a bit
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if we're I don't know how well
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  Speaker 3: we we're hearing you, But can you hear me out?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: That's good.
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  Speaker 4: Quite quite a loud voice normally, and people normally tell
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  Speaker 4: me to.
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  Speaker 3: Tone it down, but no speak because speak speak up
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  Speaker 3: is best.
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  Speaker 4: Definitely, Yeah, yeah, the technological thing. So childhood trauma, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: of course, I think we take on board a lot
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  Speaker 4: of what we received from those around us adults, you know, parents, teachers,
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  Speaker 4: the schooling system. But how do we know about this?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, what do we understand until we until we
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  Speaker 4: evolve and mature, we don't fully understand exactly to impact
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  Speaker 4: those experiences have had on us. And when it comes
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  Speaker 4: to the book, I mean included that the major the
• 15:38
  Speaker 4: preface of the book, I talked about my early UFO
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  Speaker 4: experiences or anomalous experiences. They weren't classical, stereotypical, you know,
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  Speaker 4: lights in the sky, so some of them were, but
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  Speaker 4: not the first experiences. So how do we how do
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  Speaker 4: we understand that, How do we how do we contextualize
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  Speaker 4: those type of experiences? Because what I try to do
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  Speaker 4: with the book is link the whole UFO phenomena to
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  Speaker 4: more general geopolitical and economic and societal changes over time.
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  Speaker 4: That that makes sense. Yes, hard to link, it's hard.
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  Speaker 4: It's hard to separate it all out and try to
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  Speaker 4: understand this particular phenomena in the cont because you mentioned
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  Speaker 4: war and and all that comes with war. It's not
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  Speaker 4: just about the war itself. It's about the consequences after war,
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  Speaker 4: the impact on families left behind, children of those who
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: had you know, the thought had seen combat. So it's
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  Speaker 4: very complex and difficult to unpack, but certainly a factor
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  Speaker 4: that we need to talk more about. As you are,
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: you know, you're shedding more light these issues, and it's
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  Speaker 4: something you need to talk about in a more detailed way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, without sort of pushing a point. It is how
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  Speaker 3: I frame everybody in life now, Mike, When when someone
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  Speaker 3: comes to me and their careers are life against me
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  Speaker 3: and you know, I struggling to pay a bill and
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  Speaker 3: it's all right for you, and just I've just learned
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  Speaker 3: that victim mode childhood trauma locked you know, still locked
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  Speaker 3: in that trauma, unhealed, and this is how it manifests.
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  Speaker 3: And coming back on to that, and we are going
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  Speaker 3: to tell your story because I'm fascinated that you've actually
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  Speaker 3: seen UFO's Mike, which is something I never have. But
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: when I hear people talking about these visitations and these
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  Speaker 3: getting transported up to an alien craft and whatever Shenanigan's
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  Speaker 3: going on up there, and I know there's you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's a lot of jokes about that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: But for me, what I'm hearing is that that is
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  Speaker 3: related to that. Possibly my question would be, is that
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  Speaker 3: related to childhood trauma? Is that related to some form
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  Speaker 3: of sexual abuse where the mind has repackaged it in
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  Speaker 3: something that's not so traumatic to deal with? Do you
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  Speaker 3: do you have any kind of insight on that?
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  Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting you you mentioned the Stephen Spielberg trailer.
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  Speaker 4: It's a very early trailer and you've done some good
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  Speaker 4: shows on this in terms of the symbols and everything
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  Speaker 4: else related to that. I mean, you know, seven months.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's due out in June of this year,
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  Speaker 4: but the trailer was released in December. But of course
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: we know Spielberg has been involved in this phenomenon right
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  Speaker 4: from the get go. They're all sorts of anecdotes related
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  Speaker 4: to him and President Raagan with a private viewing of ET,
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  Speaker 4: he turned route to Spielberg and said, of only people
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  Speaker 4: you just how true this was, et cetera. But a
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: few people will remember or know about the I mentioned
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  Speaker 4: this to you in a message recently. The mini series
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  Speaker 4: that Spielberg made called Taken. You can find it on YouTube,
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  Speaker 4: and a lot of the elements related to the UFO
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  Speaker 4: phenomena disclosed today are covered very well covered in this
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  Speaker 4: mini series. It was two thousand and two when it
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  Speaker 4: came out. In fact, I was in New York at
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  Speaker 4: the time when it was launched, and in one of
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: those episodes there are ten episodes in total, and one
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  Speaker 4: of those episodes there was a UFO abduction group, and
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: one of the characters in that abduction group had not
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  Speaker 4: been abducted by so called aliens. Now it's complex because
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  Speaker 4: there are very serious researchers that claim that these abduction
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  Speaker 4: they are all military oriented, albeit with a so called
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  Speaker 4: et or even if we if we if we extend
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  Speaker 4: it further there to interdimensional entities anyway, But the point
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  Speaker 4: is that there was this one character who ended up
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  Speaker 4: holding these people hostage, who had been sexually abused, but
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  Speaker 4: he had throughout his life thought it could have been
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  Speaker 4: an abduction by a non human alien. I don't like
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  Speaker 4: the necessarily the reasons we can come on to, but
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  Speaker 4: so that that that issue has been addressed. And no
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  Speaker 4: doubt there are lots of cases of people who've been
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  Speaker 4: sexually abused as children, even the strong adults. But equally
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  Speaker 4: there's enough research to show that that is not necessarily
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  Speaker 4: the case in all incidents. So still it's the old
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  Speaker 4: expression it only takes one white crow to prove that
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  Speaker 4: all crows aren't black. You know that it takes one case.
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  Speaker 4: One YU have o case that can't be debunked or
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  Speaker 4: explained away to show that this phenomenon is real. But yeah,
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: I think, and certainly in the abduction literature there are
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: many incidents. Again it's just saying it's the old joke,
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: is the aim of probes, it's everything else, and it's
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: a seriously traumatic for people, to be sure. But of
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: course not four people that encounter so called aliens have
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: been abducted or taken through walls or out through the
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: roofs of the house into so called spacecraft.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I just wanted to explore that that
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: sort of avenue because childhood trauma does funny things. I
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: had a chap on the podcast once. I'm not going
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: to say his name out of respect for him, But
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: he told this narrative, Mike, that was just so unreal.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to say outlandish. That makes like I'm like,
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: I'm dismissing it, and I'm absolutely he told this story
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: that it was so real that he was in a
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: room with George Bush and that this Gray I think
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: believe that's the thing, or it might have been a
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: reptilian had entered the room and then proceeded to walk
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: straight through a wall. And I'm getting the idea for
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: some reason, I got this idea that this guy's grown
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: up in a religious cult, something akin to Mormon's, something
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: along these lines, you know, very heavy programming from a
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: young age, with lots of stuff that I think goes
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: on in religious I think people know what I'm alluding to,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: that goes on on under the cover of sort of religion.
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: And the crazy thing was, Mike, it was the only
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: podcast ever that I've had taken down really certainly at
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: that time it was during the medical scam.
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: Shit.
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: I had a couple of things taken down, we all,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: you know, but this was the only actual podcast like
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: we're doing now that has ever been taken down. And
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: they didn't even give me a strike for it or anything.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: It was just it was just removed overnight. And the
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: next thing, I had a detective calling me. I won't
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: say the island that this guy lived on, but a
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: detective called me from basically Stateside saying, could you give
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: us the whereabouts of this gentleman? And I'm like, it's
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: just a podcast. I've got no no idea I've got
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: I couldn't even find an email when I went when
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: I went to look, not not that I would have
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: given his email away, but so that's that, and going on,
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: I've just been showing the buck symbolism in the Disclosure
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Day trailer. I think a lot of people watching now
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: will know that there's been some serious allegations made about
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: certain Hollywood. Hollywood types. You can say, there's a certain
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: chap that, let's say always appears, appears in many of
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Spielberg's films, very probably one of the world's most famous actors,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: who really did a very bizarre thing on Twitter photographing
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: these random objects out in the public and then in
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: one one frame mic somebody realized that what was painted
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: on the pavement And you can still find this. I've
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: got the video on you know, I've saved the video.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: The number that just seemed like some innocuous code that
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the counselor had sprayed on the pavement, like they do
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: when they're going to fix something, right that if you
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: typed it into yandex, you got all these images. Inappropriate
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: images came up. And literally at that point, this celebrity
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: just stopped his Twitter, just walked away from his Twitter account.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: And so I'm my what I'm alluding to him is
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: when Steven Spielberg's in charge of something, it's never good.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Think about the shark thing that's just traumatized people forever,
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: think about the constant barrage of Second World War films
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: he subjects everyone to. You know, let's just let them
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: poor Germans move on, for Christ's sake. And secondly, the
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: narrative of the Second World War, as I'm sure you've
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you've come to in your conclusions, I think it's highly
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: dubious a lot of what we've been told. And so the.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: First episode of that mini series that I mentioned deals
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: with the so called food Fighters. So the opening scene
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: is that he's a US Air Force pilot and you
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: can see these strange lights moving within and he survives,
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: his crew dies, he goes back home. He's the hero,
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: but he's troubled, he's traumatized. He's got what we now
• 26:23
  Speaker 4: call pt SD, and he has this recurring dream of
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: being taken into a medical facility, him and a colleague
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: with one of the guards that did survive but subsequently died,
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: and he sees these these these guys in German uniforms
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: in one version of the dream, and then Spielberg treats
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: it a bit differently later in some of it, as
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: he develops the character, those guys in German uniforms become
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: gray aliens, and he managed to clearly these gray aliens
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: or these Germans, are very curless, and they left a
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: a weapon near where he there is gurney when he
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: was in this medical facility, and then he gets the
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: weapon and he kills all the so called Germans, but
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: the Germans down morph into these these ets. So there's
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: definitely a lot of perceptual manipulation of the phenomena going
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: on here. You know, everyone remembers, well at a certain age,
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: will remember the nineteen seventy seven spiel Their movie Close
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: Encounters of the Third Kind. Then we have the benevolent
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: e t which the you know, the security services were
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: after that kid saves the ET and ET goes home.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: We all know about that than the mini series. But
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: now this now this disclosure day, so it seems that
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: his his talents to his newly talents re engaged.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: Sorry, Matt, I'm trying to do two things at once too,
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: which is not my forte in life, as my girlfriend
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: will tell you. But yeah, what alarms me here a
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: bit or red flags me I should say, is is
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: the buck symbolism, the Octa code that's that's in his
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: films and that you can clearly I'm showing people here, folks,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: that there's a reason why Elliot in ET's got this
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: red hoodie. I'm guessing it's the same for this girl
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: who's wearing the red she wears the red jacket in
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: the taken and this picture here, like if you if
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: you're thinking outside the box, this is this is representing
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: something completely different if you ask me, folks, and the
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: Octa code. You saw the video I did on it
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: the other day, Mike write that the octa code is
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: basically the the PDF file code that that's put out
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: through movies, so that all the I'm just going to
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: say offenders out there or you know, people that are
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: into that that darkness that they recognize this code. It's
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: based often on the number eight, but things like the
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: red jacket, remembering Shinder's List another one of his films,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: The Girl had a red red jacket. This is all
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: This is all code, right, So I guess what I'm
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: getting to Mike is if he's involved, what is it
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: that they're trying to obf scate to?
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: Sorry, Chris, Simply put, they're trying to obsticate the power
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: that lies within us. You talk about this regularly on
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: your large shows and your streams. So when I asked
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: the question, why disclosure? What is the disclosure of what?
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: It's not just about lights in the sky on a
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: dark night, anonmymous lights, or even clear discs on a
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: suny day. It's about who essentially, it becomes up quick.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: It's about who we are as sentient b that's powerful
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: spiritual beings, you know, individuation, forms of consciousness, having a
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: human experience. That's what they don't want disclosed. And then
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: you know, even Ike David I was talking about it
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: one of those posts yesterday, but you know I have
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: not read his new book. But he's talking about the
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: feeding off the energy. You know, people call it lush,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: you know, the humans providing at least this iteration of
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: human providing food, if you like, in inverted commas energetically
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: to these entities. So the question is, is Spielbergener's movies
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: he's part of that obsifification and that's deception. Who knows?
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: This is why, this is why I felt the book
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: was necessary, was to try and put it in the couch,
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: the language in such a way that people could understand
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: more simply. I don't I don't want to. I don't
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: want to say people a stupid than anywhere that far
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: from it. But it's just it's such a complex area,
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: particularly when we talk about PDFs and can I say
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: satanic ritual abuse, which features you know, it runs right
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: the way. It is like a vein of information that
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: runs right the way through this phenomena also every level,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: but going back to day, but Ike's always talked about this,
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: this non human force. If you like this dark forty
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: he counters it in terms of the astral dimension, the
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: fourth dimension, which you know, in terms of how we
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: perceive visible light, is not that far away from where
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: we actually are. But beyond our five senses, we can't
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: see these things. So I it's definitely to put your
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: up on the line, but it's still both part of
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: an enlightenment campaign to draw attention to these issues or
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: is he part of the of the disinformation this information
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: control agenda. Yeah, well, see, at least we're having the conversation.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: The issues are raised, you know, you know, people like
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: yourself are looking into the symptoms and they're saying, well,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: this is it does It's out there, It's being exposed
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: because they had to tell us what they're doing. They
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: the darker corses, if you like, and the top of
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: the pyramid, the day that keeptilians, the archons. Maybe, but
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: you know, we we I think that's that's part of
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: the issue. The part of the issue is we have
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: to remember who we are. This is this is the
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: point of the the ultimate point of the book is
• 32:40
  Speaker 4: to remind people that we are powerful spiritual beings having
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: a human experience in this world of consciousness, this unbounded,
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: filmless consciousness.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely right. Let's go back then. Let me
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: just tell you a very brief story. So I was
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: walking along with a friend once and he turned to me, Mike,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: and he said, Chris, can I tell you something? And
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: I said, you're going to tell me that you woke
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: up in the middle of the night and there was
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: an angel kneeling at the end of your bed. And
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: this friend went, fuck me, how did you know that?
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I said, because you're not the first person that's ever
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: said that to me. And the way that you started
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: to approach the topic, it was just exactly the way
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the last person who so I I taken a random
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: I'd taken an educated guess it was along. So, yeah,
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: I've never had the most bizarrest experience I've had up
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: until now, where as a sort of enlightened person, I
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: see the number thirty three all the times, to the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: to the point where it's it's like a family sort
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: of joke, now, you know. But up until this point,
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: the most bizarrest thing was I was watching TV at
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: my dad's house and it was a comedy show and
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: I was watching one sketch and I thought, wouldn't it
• 34:17
  Speaker 3: be funny if they did a sketch where a double
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: glazing salesman walks up the garden path knock knocks on
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: the door. The person answers he says Hi, I'm selling
• 34:27
  Speaker 3: double glazing, and the person and the householder goes, oh, great,
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: come on in. And the guy's like, no, no, you
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: don't understand. I'm a double glazing salesman. She's like, yeah,
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: we need double glazing and come in. For those people
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: out there, I might be losing the Back in the day,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: double glazing salesmen went door to door. They were they
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: weren't hated, but they were never let in.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: And it was like second second and car salesman, yes, exactly, yeah.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: And so I thought, wouldn't that be a funny comedy
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: sketch if they did the antonym or whatever you call it,
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: the complete anti then and they actually want So the
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: very next sketch on the TV, someone's walking there as
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: a bloat walking up a garden path Mike and he
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: knocks on the door and a woman answers. She says hello,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: and he says, Hi, I'm selling double glazing, and she's
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: like come on in. And that's like whoa, whoa? How
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: what is the If I'd have put a bet on that,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I would have got like thirty trilli into one or something.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: So this is about as close as I've come to
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: any kind of you know episode, what could you explain
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: what you saw or the times that you've seen UFOs.
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: The earlier childhood experiences that I mentioned in the boar
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: are particularly interesting for me because these are memories that
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: have left me. I have sixteen. These happened in the
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: early nineteen seventies. Now, these weren't your stereotypical UFO experiences.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: The first I was out playing football with some friends
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: and I looked up and I noticed this huge bubble,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: which is quite interesting because in this Age of Disclosure
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: documentary that's come out, Eric Davies, the physicist, talks about
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: how these this phenomena shipped through space three D space
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: in time anyway. So I looked up and I could
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: see and within this bubble there was a weapon and
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: described as a humanoid that seemed to be sat at
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: some sort of controls. And I looked around at my
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: friends and I pointed up and I said, can you
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: see this? And they just carried on playing football. I
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: was completely frozen in time and space, and nobody else
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: seemed to to see what I was seeing. So that
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: was that's what we thought. I think that's what some
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: of the UFO research is called US high strangeness. So
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: this is what wasn't an anonymous light. That could have
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: been a meteorite or another sort of celestial body that
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: we're familiar with, and I would have written it off
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: as some sort of Yeah, he could have been childhood trauma.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: I don't know, related to the phenomena. I don't know,
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: but I would have written it off if something similar
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: didn't happen. Several months later, I was back in my
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: streets again playing football with friends, and I saw this
• 37:35
  Speaker 4: other object going across the sky and it brought daylight.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: It was like a well, I suppose you described it
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: as a meteorite, but it was coming slowly at the
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: tops of the houses. Again, time seemed to be frozen.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: I could see it, our friends couldn't see it, And
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: those memories have always stuck with me. Now since then then,
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: I've had numerous sightings of phenonmenous lights because then you
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: because when when you have these experiences, you do tend
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: to think about what in scars. I mean, in the seventies,
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: the Russians have launched more than the fifties that lunched Spot.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: So we were familiar with satellites when we were kids,
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: grabbing up we can still see the Milky Way back
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: in the seventies on Merseyside, on the world, and so
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: we were familiar with the International Space Station and other stuff.
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: So despite those early experiences, which you know in the book,
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: I say could be into dimensional glitches. It could be
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: some sort of glitch where two realities interface. You know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: we're all we're all capable of sensing these things. We
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: have that power that for reasons we can talk about
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: in terms of the programming that's programmed out of us
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: to even believe that we have the capability to see
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: beyond you know what data BI talks about the point
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: five percentage of visible lights. That is obviously more. So
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: we know there's more to reality than seven people say
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: the seven percent of the universe. The scientists will tell
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: us seventy percent of the universe has made up of
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: dark energy that we don't understand. That leaves thirty percent
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: twenty seven percent of which is dark matter, which is
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: also invisible supposedly, and that leaves three percent, which is
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: the atomic visible universe that we see. And even point
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: one percent of that is all that we perceive. So
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: going back to the topic or the subject of the
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: manipulation in Stephen Spielberg. Is this what they don't want disclosed?
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: You know, the reality of human perception and our capacity
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: the power to see beyond what we currently know, beyond
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: the five senses. But anyway back to the original, the
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: original question. But so since then, the anomalous lights that
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: I've seen, I detail another one in the book. But
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: I had witnesses, there were people with me that saw
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: these things, and they couldn't be they couldn't be explained
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: in conventional terms. I mean lights that speed into interview
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: and then split into two, and that they just can't.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: And so the evidence now today is overwhelming that this
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: phenomenon is really it's had so much so now that
• 40:28
  Speaker 4: it's mainstream, everyone's talking as you said in your introduction,
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: everyone's talking about you disposure, everyone's talking about usos it
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: would have been. And then lo and behold, Speedway comes
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: up with this this Disclosure Day trailer, which is again
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: back to synchronicity and stuff. So I think we're in
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: for some some pretty interesting revelations from the so called authorities.
• 40:51
  Speaker 4: But the whole point of the book is we can't
• 40:55
  Speaker 4: trust what they say. This new group, you can't trust
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: what they say. So let's get smart, Let's let's get informed,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: Let's get educated, you know, let's understand exactly what this
• 41:07
  Speaker 4: phenomenon is. Yes, there may be aspects of child for trauma,
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: to be sure, but is it real in the sense
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: that we understand reality. Well, no, it's not. It's not.
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: It's beyond our vibe sensors in that report, but it's
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: impinging on those five senses. So it's definitely a huge
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: contributing factor to this whole notion.
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: Of humans awakening to who they really are and who
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: we really are within this unbounded formless life that is
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: consciousness itself.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: It's complicated, you know, it's talk to unpack and then
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: you touch on these issues on a regular basis. But
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: I think the discussion and the information that's coming to
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: the fore now is it's positive overall. It may not
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: see it right now, you know, you look at world events,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: particularly the swaler thing that's going on and particulous incidents,
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: not ridiculous, I mean completely the ridiculous actions. Yeah, but
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: it's still the the capacity of this this group. You know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: they've been called so many things over the years. You
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: call them the cabalist and everything else. I can cause them,
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: the cult. They're still up to their own tricks, and
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: I think people are seen through it. But there's still
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: that control there, that control over human perception through media,
• 42:41
  Speaker 4: through education. I mean, there are signs that things are changing,
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: of course, there are positive signs, but it's still they
• 42:48
  Speaker 4: still hold sway. They're prevailing authoritarian structures, still maintain that
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: control over human perception, but it is shifting.
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you you you brought in nicely on to what
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I was going to ask you next, and that is
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: you mentioned the cabal. David calls it the cult. I
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: think it's a combination of Sabotine, Francist doctrine, and Illuminati
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: or you know, a cult symbolism, you know, to convey
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: this agenda. And then the bank quote rolling by the
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: European banking aristocracy, so that you're you're roth child too,
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: to bring about quote unquote the new a new world order,
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: which which is a kind of anominalous thing, if that's
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: the right word, because we're in the new word.
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: This is the new world.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, every time that we use AI or
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: pick up a smartphone, we're essentially establishing the new world
• 43:56
  Speaker 3: order for them. So so what was another euphemism Kazari
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: and mafia. A lot of people would just say it's
• 44:07
  Speaker 3: the Jays, which I can understand, you know, you can
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: understand that the only problem with that approach is that
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: how can you say it gets everybody's backs up?
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: Who's in it? I cover it here in the book,
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: but mainly through you know, Ike's work on how any
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: ethnic group can be used, yeah, to promote a particular agenda,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: even to the extent where maybe some of the members
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: of that ethnic group will believe what they've been told massively.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm totally on board. It's a complex weave because
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: you've got this this down, this power coming down, and
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: there's people that have bought into the narrative, the people
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: that actually believe they are victims or they are chosen ones,
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: and this lot at the top are like, you know,
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: let's that's.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: The question of the chriss Who, who or what is
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: exactly at the top? Well is that period? Is it
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: a non human intelligence that employees and direct even technologies
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: or mind technologies that keeps people in this perpetual sense
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: of this empowerment or disbelief that there can be anything
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: else beyond the five senses? Yeah, this is a combination
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: of human of maybe a human intelligence and a non
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: human intelligence, you know, working in conjunction. I mean to
• 45:46
  Speaker 4: what extent, you know, I talk about the Voyagers material
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: in the book which I was put myself out there
• 45:54
  Speaker 4: with the Voyagers books. But you know, the idea that
• 45:58
  Speaker 4: elements aspects of human than government should we say for
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: wants to be a better term, have been compromised. I
• 46:06
  Speaker 4: want to use simple terms. I want to use simple
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: terms by brainwashed, but that sounds too trite and a
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: bit too happening and too conspiracist. But we have to
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: address these issues, you know, because I think more and
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: more people are beginning to see through the Even though
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: false flags have consequences, real world consequences, I think more
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: and more people have begin to see through it. So
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: there is definitely the spiritual battle going on. I think,
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: for it's too much like Alex Jones, but it put
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: four hearts and minds and the minds of perceptions of people.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: It's real, it's happening. Yeah.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: What I was getting to is, I wouldn't I obviously
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: would never put too much faith in what the authorities
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: are going to release through there. We know who controls
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: Hollywood we know who owns the music industry, we know
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: who controls the medical narrative. You've just got to look
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: at who owns the companies? Are you clearly you know
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: it's it's clearly a network. And what I'm getting at, Mike, sorry,
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: is when I look at Dr Stephen Greer, and I've
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: been looking at some of his stuff lately in my
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: research and correct me if I'm wrong, But I don't
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: think he's ever called out, you know, the Sabotine Frankis Coat.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Or why why I don't I don't want to know.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: I do want to I want you know, you have
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: to understand why, for example, David Dyke, it's not on
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: the even what he has termed the alternative media the
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Joe Rogan's of the world that took a cars and
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: since he left Fox, why why won't they entertain this
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: idea of It's interesting because now you've got people like
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: Carmell and all these disclosure agents from the this recent
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: documentary The Age of Disclosure, and of course now the
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: movie who are openly talking about Not many people know
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: who's ow put Off is or even Christopher Mallon, maybe
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: Lewis Alexander, But these are the caster of characters that
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: are now telling us that non human intelligence is here.
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Carl Now, Colonel Carl Now, a typical revolving door character
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: from you know, senior military positions and then into the
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: corporate sector Locke Martin he Wor it doesn't matter. But
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: these guys are now telling us that non human intelligence exists.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: And yet we have the strange dichotomy where like, well
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Stephen Reer has talked about these things, but not in
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: terms of the cults. No, You're right.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: What I'm getting at, like, I just need to say.
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: What I mean is I think Stephen Gree a lovely
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: bloke by the way, I think he does great credit
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: to the whole UFO thing. But to be sure, I
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: think he's a safe bet for the cabal because he never,
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: you know it, never calls out the dark network, and
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: he always constantly refers to government and c I A.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: And as though these agencies are somehow you know, if
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: you catch them on a good day, they've got our
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: best interests at heart. And as we all know that
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: the sort of you know, couldn't be further from the truth.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Well, does he not necessarily? I mean, his main concern,
• 49:38
  Speaker 4: particularly when he launched the Disclosure Project back in two
• 49:41
  Speaker 4: thousand and one through the Washington Press Club meeting where
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: he gathered together lots of ufoitnessan dies who'd experienced stuff
• 49:52
  Speaker 4: the military bases, and he was many concerned about space
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: based weapons and the expenditure on space based weapons which
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: we see now with Space Force, and not many people
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: will know about the Artemis supports. I think there's over
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: well over forty nations now that have signed up to
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: the Artists Accord. Even if you look at advertisements for
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: the RAF now in the UK and the USA, in
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: the United States, it's all space based. So Greer was
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: certainly concerned about that, not to mention obviously the impact
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: that the technologies that these craft that he talks about,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: even the reversed engineer craft, if we have those technologies,
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: then we can out within it within a decade, within
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: a generation. Global poverty is the thing of the past.
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: So he was he's definitely concerned about that. And although
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: he doesn't I think he deliberately doesn't refer to the
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: court because I don't think he wants to be associated
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: with the likes of the data bites of this world.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: But you know, Daily is very honest, very credible, but
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: nonetheless suscept to the kind of criticisms that he has
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: over the years, and that's less so now in more
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: recent decades. So I think Stephen Greer is tried to
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: stay away from that and focus more on He is
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: certainly critical of the secret asset, the secret access programs,
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: the SAPs, the and he don't you know if you
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: read if you read this material, you know he does
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: mention things like that, at least individuals that he has
• 51:26
  Speaker 4: encountered to talk about satanic which will abuse and catalystic stuff.
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: But up until recently, yes, you're right, he was convinced
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: that any to involvement is benign. They have our best
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: interests at heart, and that's it. So we all need
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: to be meditating, we all need to be connecting to
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: our higher selves and consciousness, neglecting to mention that there
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: are some very negative influences.
• 51:55
  Speaker 3: Can I just explain, because I feel like I'm going
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: to get misunderstood here in me, in my intention, I
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: think he's a great guy. What what I'm doing, What
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I'm getting at is that if you look at the
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: Mickey Mouse medical narrative, the scam, there's a network out
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: there that were able to lock every single person on
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: the planet in their homes for the best part of
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: two years and simultaneously undergo certain procedures that anyone that's
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: even slightly doug believe the surface knows is just so
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: so fraud fraudulent beyond belief. And every single professional, acting
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: out of their ego self went along with this, either
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: naivety fear or they they were in. They were in
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: on it, right, This is the whole planet is subject
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: to this dark cabal. Whoever you whatever you want to say,
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: and I've got my thoughts on it. I can't voice
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: them on the platform that we're on, but I think
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: people already know you know who I'm alluding to, and
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: when you talk. And I just wondered if Steve, I mean,
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: I just see him as a bit of a safe bet,
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: because I don't think he's going to say literally what
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: I just said, which is, let's call a spade a spade.
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: We're up against a lot clandestine. The JFK speech sums up,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: you know, the dark, monolithic conspiracy that operates by clandestine means.
• 53:43
  Speaker 4: The President of the Press speech, Yeah, and the mainstream
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: interpretation of that is the Russians. Yeah, But of course
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: he wasn't.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: Well, in a way, communism violin in a way, my
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: communism could have been, you know it, because it's the
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: same animal, it's the it's the delivery mechanoms, isn't it
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: the communism? But that's all I was going.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: On at They're all distractions, They're all ideological and geopolitical
• 54:23
  Speaker 4: distractions away from the fact that we us, as individuated
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: examples of consciousness, we have that power. So it's trying
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: to get that mess. I think more and more it's
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: so complex because we're talking from right right at the
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: top of the of the possible solution here to the
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: world it is. But how do we I mean, I
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: suppose podcasts like this will be we'll beginning to communicate
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: these ideas, and this has been going off for quite
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: some time. But yeah, I accept that Stephen Reer, perhaps
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: I could probably see means ry doesn't necessarily highlight the
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: negativity for fear that there's obviously a fear related to that.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it needs to be exposed, and I don't
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: think he exposes the darker side of this issue as much.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: Perhaps he should given the amount of influence that he
• 55:21
  Speaker 4: has within Yeah, I'm not.
• 55:26
  Speaker 3: Again, I'm just going to say that I'm not in
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: any way trying to slur the guy might that's that's
• 55:31
  Speaker 3: that's not what I mean. What I mean is when
• 55:33
  Speaker 3: you're in a public eye and you get massive reach,
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: it's generally because the cabal, you know, you're acceptable. You know,
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: they they they've allowed it right in the same way
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: that you know, I think David calling them the cult
• 55:50
  Speaker 3: is a kind of get out of jail free card
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: that he's not. He's a very powerful individual. He's got
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: a massive, massive, growing, growing following. And it's kind of
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: it's a bit of a term that really is anomalous
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: the right word when it's not really it kind of
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: doesn't really mean anything in in you know, it's kind
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: of a bit of you know, when.
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: You have convers casual conversations with people and you mentioned they,
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: you know, the third person poor or they today that
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: that are causing all the problems, and then of course
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: the obvious question comes back, well, who are they? Give
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: me some names, give me an email address or whatever,
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: you know, let me send them a message. So it
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: is anomalous in that sense. Yeah, and I'm orphous. You know,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: it's difficult to to pinpoint.
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: Yes, sorry, it's not it's not anomalous. I'm just doing
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: a bit of researching. I as normalous in the work.
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: I meant like anonymity was the kind of you know,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: it gives it, It gives these individuals and anonymity.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: But okay, but they literally see that. To go back
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: to David Ike with the medical stuff, they stepped into
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: the room. For those who were paying attention, I mean,
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: we've been hearing about, to choose my words, Curfellty here,
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: that sort of bio weapons and procedures just procedures, yeah,
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: procedures for many years. You know, people have been in
• 57:27
  Speaker 4: the so called conspiracy world have been talking about this
• 57:31
  Speaker 4: for a long time. And I think even even when
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: that medical emergency happened, I think a lot of people,
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: including that I will at least briefly temporarily, were caused
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: off guard to some extent because we thought maybe the
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: stuff that you know, people were experiencing was the actual
• 57:53
  Speaker 4: issue rather than what came later, which was the procedure
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: that was the actual issue. And there is there is
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: an ET there is an ET link to that we talked.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: I alluded to it briefly when we spoke before we
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: came on here with the whole you know, darker connection,
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: not just that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, can you explain Darper for our friends at home, Mike, Well, Well, Darper.
• 58:19
  Speaker 4: Is that research agency in the United States that there
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: is quite dark and it's on the public record. If
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: there was an interview with it's in the book a
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: Polish I think it was a Polish journalist and Robert
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: Robert Junior, Robert Kennedy Junior who openly talked about the
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: fact that the the the m r n A technology
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: was actually developed. Now, what's in the m r n A.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: That's still up for debate. Lots of researches, well not
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: lots of research, but some good research has been done
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: to talk about the nanotechnology in the crystaline materials that
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: appear in blood samples. You know, we've had John o'loney
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: taking stuff out of people, you know, the funeral director.
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: So it's so very controversial and still you know, difficult
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: to weigh through the fact from the fiction. But darker. Essentially,
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: the argument is that they were responsible and they used
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: the pharmaceutical companies like Mader, Johnson and Johnson and others
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: just to market the product that they created back in
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: the nineteen eighties for these for these reasons, now someone
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: go even further. There's a Spanish group that day that
• 59:41
  Speaker 4: I could highlight it called the Columna the Column, a
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: bunch of researchers and scientists and others that have made
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: the connection between the alien implants that Roger Lea whose dietist,
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: he was a foot doctor, but he got heavily involved
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: in the implant stuff in the eighties and the nineties,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: and when they removed these implants and analyze them, the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 4: electromagnetic in nature and some for they were tracking devices.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: But there are similar tech according to like in the Columba,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: there's similar technology involved in those implants and these procedures
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: that we vast majority of people, a large majority of
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: people were subjected to.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when you say in the first instance, are you
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: talking about a UFO implants, Yes, but yes.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 4: Well with people who claimed to have been abducted or
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: have an abducting experience. And then there were certain I mean,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: it's all well documented. The particularly rogerly As were not
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: the only one, but he's the foremost I suppose who
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: had removed these these objects from people. There seems to
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: be there appears to be a relations ship between those
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 4: implants and what we saw fairly recently, Yeah, what we've
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: seen in the yeah.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which begs the question, well, would beg the question
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: for me again is this, I always say government agency,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: but is this nearer to home than than further afield?
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: But it's it's cleanly clear at home because if that
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: is the case, if we can prove definitively that that
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 4: is the case, then it's it's within us. Well, it's
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: within those people that were subjected to that, which that brings.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 4: That then shifts the discussion, which the which the book
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 4: move on in the book to talk about issues of transhumanism, uh,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 4: the the the creation of more synthetic human beings rather
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: than carbon based human beings, or the the even more
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 4: terror ORMs, the destruction of the devine nature of what
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: we understand of being human. So people like uv Alhurrari,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: for example, the Jewish historian, you know, he talks about
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: what was his famous quote in recent years, humans are
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: now hackable animals. We could be hacked, our consciousness could
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: be hacked. Really well, good luck with that, mate.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: But you know, what do you mean?
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: We could be happy? But what he means is that
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: with certain procedures with Dare I say it sort of
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: mass mound control through the regular channels, mainstream media, anything else.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: Then yes, we can be manipulated to the point where
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: we forget. This is the subtype of the book, the
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 4: forgotten links. We forget who we really are. Yeah, he.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Rose to kebaw prominence. Didn't he went after writing Sapiens,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: A Brief History of human Kind.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not to be honest, I will admit I've not
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 4: read his books.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: I read it a long way back. I'm getting it
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: confused in my head with another bookcause I wrote read
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: a really good book called called Africa. But I just
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 3: figure that if he's published by the Cabal, then Sapiens
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: is not going to be an accurate record of human
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: I'm guessing he's he's done that we came out of
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: Africa thirty thousand years ago, bullshit. Whereas I say, I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: think we've been around for millions upon million, if not
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 3: billions of years, exactly.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: A billion. Look at look at the Nobel Prize winner
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: Francis Crick, the British guy involved in the discovery of
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 4: so called DNA. Look look at his theories and his colleagues.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: Theories have directed Panspermia again that this is in the
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: book in the early chapters. He was convinced. He was,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: although he was very critical of books like that, you know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 4: Charongs of the Gods, that we were doing the right
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: when he was doing his research. But he's convinced that
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 4: human DNA doesn't come from planet Earth. Go figure. You know.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: So it's a complex issue. It's certainly a complex issue,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: and the mass consciousness is easily manipulated throughout the educated,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: the educational institutions.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: And yeah, which which I would just put one hundred
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: percent my money on, is why we're going to see
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: a Steven Spielberg film about it, you know.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, you know this this but the whole sort
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: of even this neo Darwinian evolutionary theory, it doesn't hold
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: water under scrutiny. And we know this the same with
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 4: the physics associated with the so called craft, you know,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: the whole sort of Partiesian Newtonian materialist world view. It's
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: on its way out, it really is. And we're at
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: the forefront of this podcast like this and others, and
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: we have been for several years now, and people have
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: been talking about these issuans.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: What would you say then, Mike, because you hear a
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: lot of people doubting Darwin now and highlighting that he
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: was a freemason and this kind of stuff. And Yeah,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: I really got quite into the theory a while back.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: I think it was round about the time I explored Antarctica.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: A lot of people, a lot of people people on
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: my expedition had had recently come from Galapagos as well,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: which there, And there was a book by that famous author,
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: wasn't there called Galapagos Quite I'm not even sure of
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: my words these days, like a very bizarre book. But
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: what I'm getting at is I love the theory that
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: there's islands out there, and there's birds on the islands
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: that have through natural selection. You know, this one's got
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: a beak for picking seeds, this one's got a twisted
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 3: beak for cracking nuts, because on that island there's a nutury.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: And I really, I'm I'd be honest, mate, I'm still
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: going with that one to this day. I think the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: reason people struggle is they don't understand the vastness of
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: our human history, that we have not come out of Africa.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: You know, if if back in the days of the
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 3: Roman Empire, two thousand years ago Jesus' times, we looked
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 3: exactly like this. Then you can extrapolate to say, well,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: ten thousand years ago we obviously looked exactly like this.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: You know, maybe maybe thirty thousand years ago we had
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: a couple more hairs on our on our But I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: think it's been so incremental, Like I say, I think
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: it's been over millions upon millions of years. Our evolution might.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: But I think most people when they think of evolution,
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: think that that, oh, what we come from? Monkeys? What
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: what about thirty thousand years ago? And that that is
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: where I think the theory is losing the credibility. But
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 3: you might know something I don't.
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: Well in shifting, isn't it? I mean, you know science
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 4: or scientism, howeveryone have defined the scientific method. What we
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: knew yesterday could be different today, And everything's shifting. I
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 4: mean it sounds of you know, even recent history. Look,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 4: I want to say recent history of the last eleven
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: thousand years. Look look at discoveries in Southeast Anatolia, in
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Turkey with modern day Turkey got eck Tepe. You know,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: you have these structures that we thought that that Suma
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: and the Sumerians in the fertile present. They were the
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: guys that galers are arithmetic and the first righting forms
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: of writing, et cetera. And then we have a we
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 4: find evidence of the civilization too far away from Suma
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: that was you know, preceded by predated by six another
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: six five or six thousand years. So it's a shifting terrain,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 4: and I think we need to be careful in terms
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 4: of how we interpret and understand our history. Look at
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: the biblical texts. I know you're big on the allegorical
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: aspects of it, and there's a lot of credibility behind that,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 4: to be sure, but you've got, uh, you know, the
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 4: topic of hermeneutics. The people like Paul Wallace for example,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: who're reinterpreting, retranslating. You know, these are guys that have
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: experience and in scriptural interpretation and they talk about you
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 4: know this, this ancient connection is obviously a big part
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 4: of the book is to link the forgotten links, which
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: is the subtype of the book is it's not just
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: about remembering who we are as mighty powerful spiritual beings
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 4: having a human experience, but also you know the so
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 4: called historical that's you know, what happened pre flood, pre
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: gram Hancock and the pre delivery, and we look at
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: the younger driest period and we look at all the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: sunken cities and everything else. It's time we systematically we
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: looked at those connections between what these group of our
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 4: guys are doing, the disclosure in the United States right now,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 4: the Crystopher Mallons and these Alexondo's, the arab daies, the
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 4: businesses and the house put offs, and look at our
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: ancient past, or at least what we think is our
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 4: ancient past. It's exciting. I mean, I think it's very
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 4: exciting because everything is open to reinterpretation, and yeah, where.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 3: It fascinates me might just to pick up on what
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: you're saying about Paul Wallace and the like, is I'm
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 3: just showing in it as Sumerian. What do they call
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: the engravings in rock? There's a name for it, Isn't
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: there other pictographs?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Well no, this is just an image, a very famous
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 3: Sumerian image.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: I can't remember that the King's list in the Ashmolean
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: Museum in Oxford.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the one. It's the guy. He's got
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 3: a big hat like a bishop would wear. He's got
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: wings he's got he's got a pine cone in his
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: hand and he's carrying a bag, and on his wrist
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: he's got what looks like a sort of a watch
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: with some kind of sun symbolism on it.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: When you see those bags, you see those bags in
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: bubep predates, Yes, So.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: My interpretation here would be the wings clearly talking about
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 3: ae angels. So it's it's on the subject of enlightenment
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 3: or access in the photons, the angles, the angels, the
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 3: packets of information from from sauce, everything being light. Obviously,
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 3: the pine cone is the representation of the pineel, so
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 3: it's another enlightened symbol of of enlightenment. And the bag,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: I would say that's the symbolic of like he's got
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: the force, that's the chi, the prana, the the you know,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 3: the eternal energy. This this is someone who's who understands
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 3: the the process of enlightenment basically. And as for the
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: the the two watches that he's got on and they're
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: obviously not watch it well, I mean they might be watches,
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: but very doubtfully some sort of I don't I don't
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: even know that, but it's kind of I think I
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: said this to you the other day in our phone call,
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: might it kind of Yeah? I see so many people
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: talking about this this image, and they're coming up with
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 3: all this giants and anu narchy, and I'm like, no,
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: it's Enlightenment symbolism. And if you read scripture when they're
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: talking about these ancients and these people from above it
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: it's it's always in allegory. So there's a lot of
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: numerology in there, and I'm not really good at quoting it, Mike,
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 3: for the simple reason I haven't got enough time in
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 3: my day to get really good at all of this.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: I'm obviously better than most most people. But it will
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 3: say that any and any or whoever that those gods
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 3: they lived for six thousand, you know, six million, three
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: hundred thousand years, and anyone that understands.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 4: The King's list on that summary in the National Earlia
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: Museum and Oxford, would you say that we can deliver
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 4: a versy six thousand years?
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: They go, they go, add the three in the six
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: nine human conscious is talking about consciousness again, and this
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 3: is where I think, I think, this is where where
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 3: we're being deceived. Mike.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 3: What I wanted to come on to was your experience
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 3: of let's just call it physically seeing UFOs on a
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 3: number of occasions, and people talking about this reverse engineering.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 3: All of this is spoken in a Newtonian physics material way,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: isn't it. But if we're going to be talking about
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: UAPs as some kind of consciousness glitch or look to
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: the other side or you know, through the through the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: curtain or whatever, that's obviously we're talking about two completely
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: different scenarios, aren't we.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: Well, we've got record, I mean, since twenty seventeen is
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: very significant because that's when the videos of the gimbal,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 4: the tic Tac, the fast Walker I think it's called
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: videos were released. This is the imagery goes on sites
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: from the flare cameras and on the on the US jets,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: the viighter jets. So we're looking at objects. I mean,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: this is what's being sold to everybody on the mainstream.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 4: So when you go on to News Nation in the
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: US and even even the BBC letters have covered it.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: You're talking about a phenomena objects that are moving. It
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: may be something like seven tenths of a second from
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: eighty thousand feet down into water. In some occasions, we're
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: talking about six thousand g's G force on our understanding
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: of contemporary physics. So it is difficult to get one's
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: head around because we are talking about physics that we
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: don't understand or do we are there other are there
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: human beings on this planet that do understand this physics
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: because of the And this is Stephen Brees arguments and
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: Stephen Greer who's essentially been sidelined along with a lot
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: of other long term UFO researchers who have been sort
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: of almost supplanted by what happened with the New after
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: the New York Times article in December December, I think
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: it was twenty seventeen called Glowing. It was entitled Glowing
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 4: Areas and Black Money, that pentagons serious UFO program. So
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 4: that that was that was a semi official recognition that
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: actually UFOs do exist, the phenomena is real. And when
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 4: Project Blue Book shut down in nineteen sixty nine, and
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 4: say it was nineteen seventy, because it was in December
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: that the US at least when I say the US,
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: and when I say government, I'm talking about factions within
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: these governments. You know, there's a factionization here. You know,
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: as discussed of the book you talk I talked about
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: the columns Elite and which the British researcher as a
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 4: namescas right now, it's in the book anyway, who wrote
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 4: extensively on the columns Elite and the legacy program that
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 4: Livia Zoondo da el Zondo talked about in his book Imminent.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: We're talking about a new physics. Yeah.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: Do you get my point though that all of this
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 3: fascinating take on technology invisible you know or physical objects
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: is this is like one side of what every the
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 3: disclosure what everyone's talking about. But then the whole spiritual
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 3: you know, energy vibration and frequency spectrum of lie. Are
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: we seeing an alternative real? This is like a different thing.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: One is like, are we going inside ourselves? Is this
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 3: what we're talking about here? The other is, and this
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 3: is the narrative that Hollywood seemed to push, is oh no,
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: we're going out.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: It's out there just exactly exactly. You just hit the
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: nail on the head. It's about us going within. That's
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: that's the point I'm trying to make in the book.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: It is about us as this individuated, modified conscious. That's
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: that's where it gets complicated for those people. So if
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: you look at the quantum fear or the cosmological constant,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: and if we look at the visible light and everything else,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: then it's it's that the whole idea of super imposition
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 4: to hope, the whole idea of there's infinite possibilities of
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 4: interpretation and choices. That's what we're talking about. And I
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 4: think that's what they there we go, we're going back
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: to the third person plural again. That's what they don't
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: want us us. I want to say us those people
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: you might say unenlightened or those who are on a
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: certain journey, a certain path. And we all know individuals
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: that will scoff at this that don't fully understand just
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 4: how expanded this reality that we call life actually is
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: beyond the five senses. It's complex because I mean consciousness,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: as we know, it's the heart problem of sign question.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: Then, Mike, before while we're at the hots on the
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 3: hot spot, so with what you just said, and clearly
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: you're firmly like this could be you know this, this
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 3: this is now we're getting to the meat on the bone.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 3: How do you relate that?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 4: Then?
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: If we're talking about consciousness, how do you relate that
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: to your experience of seeing UFOs?
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: What? What?
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 3: What would you say? Was, what's the possibility that was
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 3: going on there when you actually saw alien craft? How
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 3: could that be?
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know craft. I don't know that. I mean
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 4: the other example. I mean that's why I think I've
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: got a preface and a and another introductorary piece, because
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: the two experiences that are related earlier, which seemed to
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: be more well, yeah, no, I don't dare to say
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: is I think they were more probably into dimensional glitches
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: that I experienced that there was around me. Didn't But
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: the other main example was with my great friend Andy
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: and Egan and we were out in a tent one
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 4: night and that this object appeared. Now for a year
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: there was. This was in the early nineteen eighties. It
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: was I describe it in detail in the book. I
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 4: could remember. He can remember. I still I still see
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: him occasionally and yeah, okay, he's not having an interest
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: in it, but I still remember, and he still remembers.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 4: And it was it was physical as well as I
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: was huge orange rugby shaped egg shaped craft that was there.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 4: And you've got a sense and and and he agreed
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 4: when we were looking out the tent that this was
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 4: watching this and themic slowly moved off in the hysteric.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: It was. It was clear night, there was no there
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: was no noise, There was no sound, There was no
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: obvious silence of any kind of propulsion. You know, all
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: of these signatures and characteristics that people asked, well you
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: saw this, didn't have this that this happened. We were
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 4: only about what fifteen sixteen years old and he was
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: bit older than me. No drugs involved and alcohol involved,
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 4: the altered states of consciousness that I was aware of.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: It was just witnessed what we saw in the sky,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: like we looked at the clouds, and as I said earlier,
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: we were familiar by then with satellites and everything else.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: But this was a huge object. And this was a
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 4: massive orange would be board shaped lights in the sky.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: And then it moved off of forty five degree angles.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: So what was it? Now? For years I just assumed
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 4: it was going to be careful what I say. I
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: assumed it was, well, it was a UFO because you know,
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: it wasn't a helicopter, it wasn't an aircraft. It wasn't
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: I've seen I've seen each rights another celestial bodies. So
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: it was something anomalous in that sense. That was only
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: years later when when I started to rea search these
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 4: things more on the on the sidelines outside of my
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 4: regular work that I thought, well, it could be is
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: it one of ours or is it one of theirs.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: So this feeds back into this notion of crash retrievals.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: And now this is this is the big question that
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: they're asking in the US Congress. Are these us or
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 4: are these crash retrievals real? Do they have this technology?
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: And of course you've got people, serious people, serious minded
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: people coming out saying well, actually, yes they are, they
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: are real. That the elements within I hate to use
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: them their governments, and I hate it even the not
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 4: because because my back background, as you know, is academic
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: and I come from an international political backgrounds for a
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: lot of time in Cambodia researching elections and the international
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: community's involvement in elections in Campodia. But to use words
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: like governments and nation states now, particularly in twenty twenty six, well,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: these have no real bearing on real world, on reality,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: no bearing whatsoever. It will be part of the deception.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: I wrote a whole talk about candover elections.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: I know, I gotta I gotta stop you on that
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: point and just ask you because I've told this story
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: several times secondhand, obviously, but I want you to tell
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 3: our audience the time you were gas lit by Michael Chertoff,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: that is just his.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: Name, were mentioning his name. Not only was I gasted
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: by this guy, but that was the catalyst for the
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: end of my marriage. Nick. If you're listening, I know
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: you won't, even though I've spoken instantly. She was instrumental
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: in bringing this guy over. Yeah, so I'll tell a story.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Do I need to explain to our audience who
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Michael Chertoff is with respect people? Yeah, so, folks, I'm
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 3: just getting.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 4: A picture.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: This was a guy that was instrumental, as in an
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: architect of a certain mass event that may or may
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 3: not have taken place in New York and Washington approximately
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 3: twenty four year twenty five years ago. Now I would
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: say Big Club Central, but Mike actually met this gentleman
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 3: and Mike over to you.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a long version on the short version. Essentially,
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 4: I was working as the director of an American overseas
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: research center. Now needs to be about twenty five of
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: these research centers around the world, and they had over
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 4: one Indonesia. But I was the only at the time
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: I was a director of even being a bridge. Long story,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: but as that director, I would host groups of visitors,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: particularly in a place like Cambodia. People were fascinated with
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: Cambodia because it's history. I'm not going to go into that.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 4: But I had this group from I was on my
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: way out. My tenure was over, I was leaving, I
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 4: was coming to Europe. So the tail end of that
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: there was a group from the who had met the previously.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: This is in two.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Can you speak speak up a bit, Mike.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm mumbling because I'm trying to remember. Sorry, Chris,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: So I'll just stick with the fact. So Michael Chertoff
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: and his group from a Jewish Holocaust museum came to
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: my center. My center was situated within or the center
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: I worked in was situated in a Buddhist monastery in
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: seeing Me in northwest Cambodia. Beautiful place for the best
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: place that worked, fantastic place. So he came and with
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: his group, his Jewish Holocaust Museum group. They wanted to create.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: A sounds a bit like the Fantasy Football League, but
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: sorry whatever.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: They created an exhibit in Washington that remembered all of
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: the words. So called genocides. Okay, so Cambodi was going
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: to be one of them. So I didn't know he
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: was coming. I just thought it was his wife that
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: was coming to this group. That's a personal story related
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: to the person who organized it, which hap to be
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: my wife at the time. Anyway, So he arrived, I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: did my normal speel. I took them around the center.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: I explained what the center does in the context of
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 4: of Cambodia in Southeast Asia more generally. Of course, we
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: were the organization was funded directly for the most part
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: from Washington, the Department of State, so it was very
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 4: much an American outfit. I guess that's one of the
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: reasons why he was there and everything went swimming. In fact,
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: he was fine. He was very very polite and respectful
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 4: towards me during the day and then at dinner that night,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 4: I had to be on it, so it wasn't just
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: my organization and seeing me. You have to remember, Campogia
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: at the time was full of NGOs, full of people
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: doing good in the places, so I wasn't the only organization.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 4: So we had a huge dinner that night, but I
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 4: had to be on his table and he was set up.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 4: He was sacked on my left, and the director of
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: the Jewish Holocaust Museum in Washington was sacked on my right,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: and the conversation got onto the subject of war. I
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: never raised to the top of the war, but I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 4: chipped in. I don't know how the conversation came about,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: but I chipped him and said, well, my grandfather was
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 4: a marine. I was at the Roll Marines, and I'm
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: very much anti worn out because of my grandfather's experiences.
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 4: And even though I never fired a shot in obviously
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 4: down south of two young anyway, So and I said,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 4: we we all know the reasons why young British, American, Canadian,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 4: Australian and others soldiers are losing lives and limbs in
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 4: places like Afghanistan and act. The whole table went quiet,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 4: but I thought to myself, what a reasonable statement to make.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: But unbeknown to me, I didn't realize. I knew he
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: was the co author of the Patriot Act in his
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: capacity as a lawyer, so I knew who the guy was,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: but I didn't realize the extent to which he was
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 4: connected with the events in New York and Washington. Supposedly anyway,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: he turned to me and you know, I don't forget
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: I am. I suppose I was still out at the time.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: Doctor Michael Sullivan the director of this American Overseas Research Center.
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 4: So you know, it's quite a as far as Washington
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: is concerned, and fund you know, it's quite a prestigious
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: position to be in. Now. He turned to me and
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: he said, you're probably a Holocaust denier as well. He
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 4: couldn't call me anti Semitic. It was almost I said,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 4: was you know the reasons why people? Because obviously it
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: was inferred. I was referring to the events that year
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 4: in those cities. And I did research afterwards, and I
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: realized that he's asked this question when he's on talk
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 4: shows and non radio, which he was. Then this is
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 4: before he developed that or maybe at the same time
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: that he created the body scanner machines. His company is
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 4: responsible for all his post a leg and security. So
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 4: when you went through the body scanners, that was probably
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 4: chur Top's company that installed those machines. Anyway, So I
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 4: was I was horrified, how on earth can behinds he
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: accused of me of stuff like this because I was
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: clearly referring to to those events. Anyway, he stood up
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: and he left the table and all his entourage followed
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 4: suits as well.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 3: He walked it actually walked out on you.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 4: He walked out on me. I was left. There was
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 4: me and one other individual on the table left.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: What a result.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, happens for a reason. And that spurred me on.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 4: Now I hadn't done a great deal of research into
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 4: but I was. I was in the middle of writing
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 4: my my Cambodia book about Cambergian elections, and it wasn't
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: that long. I was researching the Barley bombing. Remember the
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: Barley bombing in two thousand and very much so in
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 4: the nightclub there in Bali, and the asy and countries
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 4: had just organized a big security conference in and On
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 4: then in Cambodia, and it was the time when the
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 4: opposition party to the long established primary, the step On
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 4: seen in Camber who I've met they they were, they
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 4: were cracking down on descent within Cambodia and they used
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: that security conference at the same time the Chertoff was
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 4: around or was he around them, it doesn't really matter,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 4: but that's what got That's what piqued my interest then
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 4: because I thought, well, I need to I got it
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 4: back into. I got into the research related to the
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: Barley bombing, which then took me onto onto nine to
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 4: eleven because up until that point I knew nine eleven
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: was certainly a choose the right word again, there was
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 4: something not quite right, shall we say, about the official narrative,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: and I was conscious of that, but I was not.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 4: I was more interested in Cambodian politics and how that
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 4: related to international politics. So thanks thanks to shirt Off,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: he was my catalyst. He was the guy that has
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 4: spurred me on even further into it's a nine eleven thing. Yeah,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: so interesting, a very interesting anecdote. Everything happens for a reason.
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. I just love the gaslight that because you questioned
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: nine to eleven, you must be a Holocaust denier.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 4: No probable Holocaust denied. Probable on me, Holocaust denial. I
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: was a probable Holocaust denier.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: This is what happens when you buy into your own
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 3: shit too much, isn't it. You know, you actually believe,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 3: you believe that's the framework that other people abide by.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 3: And of course more and more people now are just
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 3: rejecting this ridiculousness of any time you question official narrative,
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 3: that means that you hate Jewish people. It's it's but
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 3: when you're in.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 4: That you know, to have that.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 3: Deviant, devious way of thinking that you think you can
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: you know.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 4: You're average, your average person or not, they can't. This
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 4: is why this is so difficult to get disinformation out
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 4: there and understood, because your average individual would not conceive,
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: they couldn't believe that the levels and the depth of
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 4: deception and lies.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 3: Can I tell you my story now, yes, please, I'll
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 3: keep it very brief. But basically, I had a guest
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: on the show. It was about something completely unrelated. He
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 3: was going to come on and talk about some like
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 3: current affairs stuff, and he was recommended by somebody else.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: So unusually I hadn't because he didn't wasn't wrecked because
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: he wasn't recommendation from me to come on my show.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: I just taken someone else's word for it. And what
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: I've learned over the years, Mike is, don't do that, Chris.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: It usually what someone else thinks. What someone else thinks
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: is a good guest for this show?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: Is you know?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: So anyway, half an hour before the show or an
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 3: hour before the show, I sat down to do my
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: Judelian diligence, my research, you know, get this socials up.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: Find out they've got a book history, right, you know,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: think of some interesting topic. And it only came about
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 3: that when it went on his Twitter. The guy was
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: a raving Zionist genocide supporter, which I don't think is
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 3: far off for a lot of people that hark from
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 3: a certain you know, phony state. But I'm just looking
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: at the tweets he's putting out of massacred Palestinian kids,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: and I'm like, you know, so I've got this dilemma, right,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 3: because I choose it. Ultimately, I decide who comes on
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: my show.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 4: Of course, of course I do.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: There's certain areas and topics, so it's I just think
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: it would be facile to cover because when you've lived,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: worked and traveled in eighty six and there's eighty six
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: or eighty seven countries, some people's viewpoints it's just they're
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: not worth, you know, there's anyway.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 4: So I know exactly what I'm saying, Chris, Yeah, I
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 4: know exactly what. Yeah.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 3: It's like, I wouldn't invite someone on the show to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 3: tell me about orthodox Christianity because there's nothing in you know,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: my my audience are way past that that that stage
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: in their development. Now that would be like, you know,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: not that you it's not interesting to hear people's perspectives
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: and why do people think like this? But anyway, I'm
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: getting off topic a bit.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 4: So it was.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 3: So I thought, do you know what, I'm not just
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: going to cancel the guy. I'm not that kind of person.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 3: I'll speak to him. So I let the I waited
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: until the Zoom meeting started and I said hello, and
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 3: I thought, well, let's let's put the ball in his court.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: I said, listen, I don't think that you'll go down
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 3: too well with my audience. And and I thought, you know,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: give the guy a chance to explain. Maybe I'm misunderstanding
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 3: something here. And he's how what are you on about?
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 3: I said, well, I can see that following those events
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 3: in October, you you clearly have taken a stance on this,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: haven't you. There's there's no consideration in your mind that
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: maybe you're being played. The poor Palestinians are being played
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: and and we're all being played through the media for
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 3: for a dark cabal that hate all of us.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 4: And he was like.
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: And and I said, I hate for you to come
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: on the show and for everyone just to throw you
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: know it was something like that, Mike. Anyway, Anyway, he
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: just looked up and he said, oh, so you're anti Semitic,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 3: And I was just like, it's so tired. I was
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: just like, you fucking fuck it. Yeah, you know, you're
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: talking to the guy that I think any of my
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: my regular views would say probably does the most have
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: spread peace, love, kindness and empathy and understanding on this planet.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: It's just we have to discuss unpleasant topics at times
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: to see where we are in all of this. Right,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: So I just looked at him, I said, sorry, anti
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: what he's like, you're anti submitt I don't, I don't know.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: I just I called his bluff.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: Mic.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: I just pretended I literally had no clue what he
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: was going on about, and he felt he sort of
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: fell for it. Unbeknownst to hit Or what he hadn't
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: considered is we were I was recording, you know, I
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: thought that I thought I'd better record this one because
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: this probably won't end well and I want my version
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 3: of it. The next thing, He's putting out all this
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: like shit on his Twitter about me, And there was
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: a part of me, Mike that I thought, shall I
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: just release the podcast? As far as we got to
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 3: the point where I said to him, look, do you
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: want to go ahead with this podcast? And he went no,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: I think we better not right, he actually said that.
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: I still gave him the option to go ahead, but
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: I'm going to have to challenge you on your your
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: views because otherwise it makes me look you know, like like.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: And he decided not to. And when he's putting out
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 3: these tweets about me, I felt like tweeting back to him, Look,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 3: our podcast is going out tonight. It's a very short one,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 3: as you well know, because you decided not to come
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: on the show. But hey, ho, but you know I'm
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 3: not you still have a copy of it. I I
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: might have kept one, just as you know, a frame
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: of reference for the future, but I can't off the
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: top of my head mate to remember, to be honest,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: But in such a.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 4: Power, you know, it goes without saying it, you know,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 4: for your view as anyone who's watching this, it's such
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 4: a powerful, powerful mechanism for shutting down expression, for shutting
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: down any opinion. As we know.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: I think it used to be. I think people don't
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: know more and more don't give a shit about I'm
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: seeing what's going on on Twitter, and and I've just
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: said to anyone out there, if you're of a certain
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: faith and you think that this approach is doing you
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: any favors, you're just deluded. It's really creating an awful
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: lot of resentment. And that's the last thing that people need,
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: is is you know, it's like defending the actions of
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: netting Yahoo.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: Is that Why would you do that?
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 3: That doesn't help your case to say that you're on
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: the side of Jennis. How how in any way could
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: that like ever help you? That's mental, That's that's but
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 3: this is, like you said earlier, you didn't want to
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: use the word brainwash, mic, but I think indoctrination is
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: is certainly the appropriate term. But hey, how so, how's
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: it been then? To finish off, Mike, massive congratulations on
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: your book. I was so impressed at how well it
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 3: was written. Your grasp of the English language is phenomenal.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: And as as someone who's written a few books myself,
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: you you really got all the punctuation and the grammar
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: and everything. You know, spot spot on. How's it? How's
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: it being received? Are you getting any feedback?
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: Because you know, I should have come on in October,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: but for personal reasons, I couldn't come on. So I
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: have not really actually paid much attention to the book
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 4: because you know, my brother passed away in October and
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: it's just been difficult. But I'm back in the saddle now.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: The aim of the book is really I wanted the
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: two things. There's a bit of an ego element to it.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 4: I wanted to make the contribution to because I've been
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: looking at this that my early childhood experiences adultso citing
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 4: et cetera, et cetera, and I researched the topic on
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 4: the sidelines, So I wanted to make my contribution to
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 4: the debate. But more importantly, I wanted because it's been
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: well received locally when I've spoken to family and friends,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: because that's the family and friends. What's an amazing amount
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 4: of people that are interested in the subject. We've taken
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 4: an interest in the subject. There's always been that way.
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 4: It's always been that way. But anyway, but the point
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 4: is to dispel some of the myths, to remind people
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 4: that when the BBC dow a story on the subject,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 4: or when CNN does a story on the subject and
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 4: they talk about UFO disclosure, be careful, be mindful, and
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 4: remember that we haven't. Maybe we can do another podcast.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 4: We haven't mentioned the Foalse flag thing. Brown and David
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: I mentioned it on one of his recent podcasts. Again,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: this might still it to play because it's another mass
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 4: control narrative enomenant to control people's perceptions of you know,
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: how they want them to to understand the way the
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: world works or the way they want the world to work.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 3: Well, you touched, then let's just cover it because you
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: touched on a potential blue beam operation Bluebeam scenario.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: Didn't you wear where we might have mon ask the
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 4: Canadian French journalist of the Canadian journalists that talked about
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 4: it in depth and so but it was like Stephen
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 4: really is big on this because one of his witness
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: so called witnesses and adverse chromas Carol Rosen, who was
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: a very close advisor, I don't want to say advisor,
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 4: but she she worked for Verna von Brown, the former
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: NATSI rocket scientist that was brought over to the United States.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: That most of your viewers will be familiar with Operation
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: paper Clip and essentially, you know, he was the the
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: Satin Fire rocket. And on his deathbed he told Carol that,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 4: you know, we've had all of these these great enemies
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: that we've created. It was the Cold War, it was
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: the Earth object was terrorism, global terrors of the War
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 4: on Terror. That the final card in vert of commis
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: that will play is the false flag alien card to
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 4: bring in to usher in. You know this this often
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 4: off use term this this new world order, but as
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: you quite widely pointed out, we're always been in a
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  Speaker 4: new world order. This it's always been controlled by certain
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  Speaker 4: the Far East groups and entities and energies. So this
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  Speaker 4: this is resurfacing again, I think, and I think we're
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  Speaker 4: going to hear more about this project Bluebeing. This is
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  Speaker 4: the use of technology to create Originally it was going
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  Speaker 4: to be religious figures. I mean, you know just a
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  Speaker 4: lot of this stuff on YouTube with the clouds that
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  Speaker 4: look like Jesus Christ and the Brother and everything else.
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  Speaker 4: So it's the use of technology to impact on people's
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  Speaker 4: seons that maybe we are being about to be invaded
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  Speaker 4: by so boored aliens. We've had the world of the
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  Speaker 4: world's being the ause of Wells back in the thirties
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  Speaker 4: and was at the thirties.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think if that happens, Mike, that most people,
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Do you think like if they try to pull an operation,
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  Speaker 3: you know, or project Bluebeam conspiracy like they got they're
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  Speaker 3: putting drones up to you know, project a messianic image
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  Speaker 3: coming down to Earth or something, I think there'd be
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  Speaker 3: so many people now that we're just after hosses off
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  Speaker 3: at it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well we've seen we've seen it recently, I think
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  Speaker 4: with all this drone activity in the US and even
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  Speaker 4: here in the UK there was Egan reports that some
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  Speaker 4: sort of spherical object that land at Manchester Airport and
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  Speaker 4: this is all documented, this is all of the mainstream press.
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  Speaker 4: So there's definitely a culturation going on. There's definitely an
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  Speaker 4: acceleration of of the of the notion of U A
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  Speaker 4: U A BS. Look look at the change in nominiclatchy
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  Speaker 4: used for UFOs and now it's unidentified anomalous phenomena. So
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  Speaker 4: there's something building. Absolutely there's something built. And I think
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  Speaker 4: a big part of this has been the Spielberg trailer
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  Speaker 4: why release that the end of twenty twenty Far for
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  Speaker 4: Removing is coming out in the summer. Yeah, and I
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  Speaker 4: did hear it from there was there was one idea
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  Speaker 4: I don't I can't have not verified this and I
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  Speaker 4: don't know how credibleness is, but there is a very
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  Speaker 4: well respected you have we search called Michael Salah, a
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  Speaker 4: former Australian academic, but he was involved in the same
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  Speaker 4: game as Meet to some extent back in the late nineties.
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  Speaker 4: But he says that Emily, but I don't know how
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  Speaker 4: through this. It was quite bizarre. He said, Emily Blunt
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  Speaker 4: might be called forward by these congressional hearings. And I thought, well,
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  Speaker 4: what on earth is She's the act the actress, the
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  Speaker 4: main actress in the movie. What does she know about
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 4: up so or again? Is this another twist on the
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  Speaker 4: Hollywood thing to to convince people that maybe there is
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: this hostile threat because it is about threat. I mean,
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: all these guys are talking about threats, where our Stephen
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 4: Green was often talking about the All nine. So clearly
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  Speaker 4: the reality to the extent that we can understand reality
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  Speaker 4: is somewhere in the middle. You know, we probably got
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  Speaker 4: and I do go into something telling the book about this.
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  Speaker 4: There is some sort of cosmological battle going on. Yes, yeah,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: well maybe that's something we can talk about in later interviews. Yeah, well,
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 4: there's so much to unpack on the on the subject
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 4: really is, you know, from childhood trauma right the way
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: through to consciousness itself and everything between. That's massive, huge, Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: absolutely relevant. It's something you know, even because that there
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  Speaker 4: are sections of the book where I talk about contemporary
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  Speaker 4: politics when I talk about the relationship between nine to
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  Speaker 4: eleven and an ets or et phenomena, because it is
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  Speaker 4: connected with no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we're definitely going to do a part two. Mike,
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  Speaker 3: stay on the line just so I can say goodbye properly,
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  Speaker 3: but for the purposes of the recording, this has been
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  Speaker 3: a great chat. Thanks for hearing all my you know,
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  Speaker 3: hearing me out on all these things that are buzzing
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  Speaker 3: through through my head. That's obviously why I wanted you
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  Speaker 3: to come on the show to shed light on these
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  Speaker 3: issues and massive, massive good luck luck with the book mate.
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  Speaker 4: Thanks Chris, Thanks for having me on. It's been great
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  Speaker 4: to chat. It's been along over due, probably several years
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: actually since we first reconnected. I've really enjoyed it and
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: it's given me more confidence to go forward and talk
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 4: about these issues more extensively.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely well, you're a natural speaker, so I'm sure you're
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: going to be much in podcast demand, can we say?
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: Well? I hope so. And the more people, I mean,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: you know that it's almost like a cottage industry. The
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: amount of YouTube videos of video YouTube video podcasters out
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: there talking about disclosure is incredible, which is which is
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: very welcome because we need to have this out in
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 4: the open. We need that, we need to be talking
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  Speaker 4: about these issues on a more regular basis. So great.
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  Speaker 4: Any opportunity to do that has a fantactic.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely well. Friends, We're going to put a link
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