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Real Housewife of Miami Lisa Hochstein and Smear Campaigns · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Hannah McDonald. Juicy Scoop. okay, you guys, I know I
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  Speaker 1: gave a controversial take on what might have happened with
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  Speaker 1: the Karen Reed case. And I said, maybe, you know,
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  Speaker 1: after being beat up at the party, maybe he did
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  Speaker 1: stumble out and somehow have contact with the car. Well,
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  Speaker 1: after yesterday's testimony, I have changed my mind. which is
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  Speaker 1: why people have trials, which is why people watch the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing if you're on the jury and then deliberate
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  Speaker 1: for hopefully days or not, depending on what you want
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  Speaker 1: the outcome to be. I did say on my last episode,
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  Speaker 1: I don't think she should be convicted of anything because
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  Speaker 1: there's way too many questions. It's definitely beyond a reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 1: It is absolutely so much doubt. So, They had an
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  Speaker 1: expert on the defense, this doctor, and Dr. La Passato,
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  Speaker 1: I hope I'm saying it right, but she was just
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  Speaker 1: a badass. And she blatantly said, I've been doing this,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she's like probably a woman in her 60s.
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  Speaker 1: I've been doing this my entire career, figuring out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: impact of car accidents on bodies and all this. And
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  Speaker 1: there was not any broken bones. And She just was
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  Speaker 1: emphatic about saying he just was not hit with a car.
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  Speaker 1: He died from blunt, traumatic hits to the head. That
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  Speaker 1: is what he died from, not ever being hit from
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  Speaker 1: a car because he never was hit by a car.
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  Speaker 1: So that, I mean, was pretty profound. She teaches in
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  Speaker 1: this everything. And if that is in fact true... What
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  Speaker 1: I said two days ago makes the guys in the
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  Speaker 1: home and the women way more culpable because that means,
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  Speaker 1: according to her, either he died in the house and
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  Speaker 1: they threw him out in the snow or they beat
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  Speaker 1: him so badly that he stumbled out into the snow
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  Speaker 1: and then fell and died. But when you get into
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  Speaker 1: all the other evidence of what the temperature was of
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  Speaker 1: the body, it's very hard. So now there is... Rumors
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  Speaker 1: going around that Higgins, No Neck Higgins, who was the
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  Speaker 1: guy that she was flirting with, and there's so many
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  Speaker 1: rumors about this group of people being swingers, that the
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  Speaker 1: bars that they attended were swinger-type bars, that he is
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  Speaker 1: maybe going to make some type of deal. That's just
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  Speaker 1: the rumors that are going around because after so much
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  Speaker 1: has been exposed, will they ever investigate them? It's, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: It's juicy. And I can't wait for the movie. And
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  Speaker 1: I love when people are like casting all the different
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  Speaker 1: characters down from the judge that I think they're calling
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  Speaker 1: Aunt Bev that, you know, the people that are pro
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  Speaker 1: Karen Reed are definitely don't think that she is being, um, non-biased.
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  Speaker 1: They definitely think she's being biased. So that's what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I changed my mind because I saw some
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  Speaker 1: compelling testimony. So there you go. Um, also in the
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  Speaker 1: P Diddy trial, well, my God. So this Jane Doe,
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  Speaker 1: who dated him after Cassie, and she dated P. Diddy
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  Speaker 1: from like anywhere between like 21 all the way up
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  Speaker 1: to April of 2025 is when she stopped talking to
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  Speaker 1: his attorneys, but was with him this whole time. Her
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  Speaker 1: stories are, you know, very disturbing, but some of the
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  Speaker 1: interesting things are that she and P. Diddy's favorite show
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  Speaker 1: was Dateline. And She was doing these freak-offs and having
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  Speaker 1: sex with these men to please him and to comfort
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  Speaker 1: him and make him feel safe that he was into
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  Speaker 1: this weird shit. Like, I wanted to protect him because
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  Speaker 1: it's this weird shit he liked. I guess they're basketball
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  Speaker 1: fans because part of their fantasy was they would change
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  Speaker 1: their names. She was Kobe. The hired gigolo, if you will,
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  Speaker 1: or worker man was always Shaq. And then Sean Diddy
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  Speaker 1: Combs got to be Jordan. So, I mean, what I
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  Speaker 1: think she's saying is that he was, you know, into
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  Speaker 1: seeing this happen, into seeing men perform and all of that.
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  Speaker 1: So maybe him realizing if the world knew, they would
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  Speaker 1: see him in a different light. So she was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to provide this for you because I love
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  Speaker 1: you so much. But at a certain point, she wrote
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  Speaker 1: him or left a voice audio message. saying, I'm not
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  Speaker 1: a porn star. I've been doing this for three years.
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  Speaker 1: My body is exhausted. I'm not a performer. It means
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  Speaker 1: something to me. I don't have sex with these people anymore.
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  Speaker 1: And because some of them were so gross is why
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  Speaker 1: she then went and was like, all right, I will
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  Speaker 1: hire the escorts. At least I can get one to
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  Speaker 1: like take a shower before he has to show up.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. She went to Vegas one time when
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  Speaker 1: they were on a break and ended up at a
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  Speaker 1: party where she saw one of her former guys that
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  Speaker 1: she had to have sex with. And at that party,
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  Speaker 1: there was going on where people were watching hit the
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  Speaker 1: same guy. Um, several of the people that have been, um,
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  Speaker 1: seen as the male workers were part of a Showtime
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  Speaker 1: show called gigolos, which followed male escorts and their life
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  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas on Showtime many years ago. And it
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  Speaker 1: was as cheesy and gross as you thought, but I
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  Speaker 1: was watching it. So, um, She then was with him
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  Speaker 1: when they found out. His son came in and was like,
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  Speaker 1: oh my God, you got to see this. And that
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  Speaker 1: was when the whole Cassie story broke. And when she
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  Speaker 1: read that lawsuit from Cassie, she told him, I feel,
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  Speaker 1: told Diddy, I feel like I'm reading my own stories.
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  Speaker 1: The similarities, as we know from the testimony, is exactly
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  Speaker 1: the same thing. He just replaced Cassie with her. And
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  Speaker 1: he also saw all these other women, which also, because
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  Speaker 1: she said, I was in love with him. I did
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  Speaker 1: love him. I would get jealous. And I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: thought I'm the only one doing this. I'm doing all
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  Speaker 1: this gross shit. Like, what do you mean you're seeing
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  Speaker 1: other women and whatever? And that is the one time
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  Speaker 1: when she accused him of cheating that, maybe not the
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  Speaker 1: one time, but the time she describes in which then
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  Speaker 1: it got very physical in that he physically abused her.
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  Speaker 1: But she also said, I punched him as well. And
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  Speaker 1: You know, she seems to be very truthful, but in
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  Speaker 1: doing so, kind of helping his case a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: in my opinion. As far as the public opinion of thinking,
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  Speaker 1: you know, she was a willing participant. The defense says,
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  Speaker 1: how old were you when you met him? 35. She said, again,
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  Speaker 1: my baby daddy, my ex-boyfriend is a rapper and they
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  Speaker 1: don't get along. And at one point, one of the
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  Speaker 1: escorts threatened to expose a video. of her having one
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  Speaker 1: of these freak-offs and put it out so her ex
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  Speaker 1: would see it and the whole world would see it
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  Speaker 1: because the escort had it on his phone. Diddy filmed
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  Speaker 1: it on the escort's phone and the escort had it.
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  Speaker 1: So there was a lot of that blackmailing fear going
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  Speaker 1: on that this would get out. And here now she
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  Speaker 1: sits completely exposed and you know, in a federal case.
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  Speaker 1: It's crazy. You know, a lot of people have been
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  Speaker 1: saying that she is the ex of 50 Cent. I
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  Speaker 1: think he denied it. I'm not sure. But, you know, again,
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  Speaker 1: she wasn't making a lot of money being this girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: that was, you know, also having sex with, you know,
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  Speaker 1: three to four other men a week. She was only
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  Speaker 1: getting $ 10, 000 a month. He put her, she was, you know,
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  Speaker 1: a single mom. So I don't know, maybe this rapper
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  Speaker 1: isn't him because I can't imagine her not having more
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  Speaker 1: money than that. That he was, um, put $ 20, 000 towards her,
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  Speaker 1: her business, which was a Throughout the relationship, she said
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  Speaker 1: he maybe gave her $ 150, 000. Again, I don't think that's
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  Speaker 1: that great. You were there with him for years and
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  Speaker 1: providing this whole other lifestyle for him to participate in.
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  Speaker 1: So there's still so much more. I was trying to
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  Speaker 1: like catch it all, but that is the crazy stuff.
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  Speaker 1: And then she said at one point she got him
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  Speaker 1: a gift. She got him a little like a TV
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  Speaker 1: on a roller so they could watch Dateline and not
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  Speaker 1: have to you know, have sex with three other people.
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  Speaker 1: She's like, can we just watch a juicy crime? Like,
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  Speaker 1: that's all I want to do with you. And like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, yeah, if she met him at 35, now
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  Speaker 1: she's probably close to 40. Like, yeah. Who wants to
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  Speaker 1: do a freak off and you're a mom? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: my God. Anyway, so there's that. Oh, I want to
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  Speaker 1: tell you the craziest thing that I found. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: on TikTok, okay? And I see this weird video of
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  Speaker 1: someone talking like almost in a documentary style to the camera.
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  Speaker 1: And over the top of the video, it says Leah
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  Speaker 1: Remini and her daughter were the worst or something. And
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  Speaker 1: it's this girl, woman, who sounds like at one time
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  Speaker 1: she was a housekeeper for them saying that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they were very, very messy. It took a whole separate
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  Speaker 1: staff to clean up Leah's mess every day. And And
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  Speaker 1: they never had any time off. And even though she
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  Speaker 1: had a cappuccino machine in her room, she would ask
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  Speaker 1: for a cappuccino to be made for her while she
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  Speaker 1: laid in her bed, Leah Remini. At 10 p.m., this
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  Speaker 1: poor woman was forced to do this. And she's talking
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  Speaker 1: about the daughter. The daughter was four and would color
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  Speaker 1: on furniture. And I'm like, what is this? The daughter's like,
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  Speaker 1: I think, in college now. I'm like, this is such
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  Speaker 1: a weird thing. So then I look at it again.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's this other video talking about what an
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  Speaker 1: awful person Tom DeVocht is. I'm like, who is Tom
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  Speaker 1: DeVocht or whatever his name is? And I'm like, I
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  Speaker 1: bet this is a site created by Scientology to make
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  Speaker 1: ex-Scientologists look bad. Let me just see. And I typed in,
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  Speaker 1: was Tom DeVocht a former Scientologist? Yes, he was. Well,
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  Speaker 1: guess what? There's a Oh, he was a rude to
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  Speaker 1: a waiter. He, you know, sent back his food. And
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  Speaker 1: then the next video is Leah Remini. I hated having
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  Speaker 1: dinner with Leah Remini. I'm a former friend and it
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  Speaker 1: was just so awkward. She was just like, wouldn't look
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  Speaker 1: the waiters in the eye. All this kind of bullshit.
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  Speaker 1: And it's just so obvious. So I just wanted to
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  Speaker 1: tell you about it. It's ridiculous. And I believe it
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  Speaker 1: popped up because I think she's on the cover of
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  Speaker 1: a magazine still talking about Scientology and she's been away
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  Speaker 1: from it for 12 years. Um, very interesting. Brooklyn, um,
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  Speaker 1: Beckman of, you know, David Beckman's oldest son, he apparently
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  Speaker 1: is not going to be there when his dad gets
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  Speaker 1: his knighthood. He wasn't there for the 50th birthday. He
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  Speaker 1: has three brothers and a sister, two, well, yeah, two
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  Speaker 1: brothers and a sister. And he apparently and his wife
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  Speaker 1: are not talking to any of them, which is really sad.
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  Speaker 1: I can't imagine... what the family is going through. And,
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  Speaker 1: you know, of course, everyone's going to point the finger,
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  Speaker 1: you know, at the daughter-in-law and maybe that's the case,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just a very hard thing when that happens,
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  Speaker 1: whether you're the most famous, rich, best looking family in
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  Speaker 1: the world, or you're just living, you know, in middle America,
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  Speaker 1: but it happens. Um, okay. Also, um, Alison Mack, remember
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  Speaker 1: that weirdo? She went to prison for recruiting women to
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  Speaker 1: be abused in the NXIVM cult. And she was an
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  Speaker 1: actress on like Smallville. Anyway, she's getting married. Yeah. She
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  Speaker 1: can find a husband. I don't know why you can't.
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  Speaker 1: Just kidding. Anyway, anyone can get married if you're a
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  Speaker 1: little bit famous and in prison. The Valley. Let's wrap
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  Speaker 1: up with The Valley before our interview.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. Poor Britney is really going through it. Also be aware,
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  Speaker 1: this was all filmed like nine months ago. It's when
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  Speaker 1: she goes to the, attorney and she does fill out
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  Speaker 1: the paperwork to file. And she does this a day
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  Speaker 1: before Jax is set to get out of the rehab place.
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  Speaker 1: So to make her feel better, they go, let's have
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  Speaker 1: one fun night at Jax. And they cover the Jax
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  Speaker 1: sign with like a sheet that says Brits. And they
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  Speaker 1: actually get a big lit sign that says Brits. And
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  Speaker 1: they all get the same Jax shirts printed, but with Brits.
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  Speaker 1: And she's like, oh my God, you guys, this is
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  Speaker 1: so nice.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 1: I think, I don't know. I would hope that Jackson
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  Speaker 1: would find it was funny. And everyone's like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he would find it funny, but okay. And, um,
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  Speaker 1: but you know, we're all on her side. He stopped
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  Speaker 1: paying the mortgage. He, um, and their deal was I
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  Speaker 1: pay the mortgage, you pay all the other bills, which
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  Speaker 1: seems like a pretty fair thing. But the mortgage started
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  Speaker 1: at $ 8, 000. He, as this was all in the, in the,
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  Speaker 1: you know, news owed 1.2 million in back taxes. So
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  Speaker 1: they did like a loan on the house with that.
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  Speaker 1: So the mortgage went up to 17K, which he was
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  Speaker 1: going to be responsible for since it was his thing.
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  Speaker 1: She also said that the government took $ 100, 000 from her
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  Speaker 1: bank account, being that she was his spouse. So she really...
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: you know, thank God is so well-liked and has such
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  Speaker 1: a bright future as an influencer and a young mom because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, he has, with all this, lost the podcast tour.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how many people are listening to the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen with this restaurant.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully people are still going, you know, so that she
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  Speaker 1: gets the money. I said this before. This is the
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  Speaker 1: only way that Jax is going to keep it going
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  Speaker 1: and be that likable character again, if at all possible,
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  Speaker 1: is he needs to find another Britney. He needs to
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  Speaker 1: find another wonderful girlfriend who is so lovely to little
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  Speaker 1: Cruz and maybe, you know, the exchange of it is
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  Speaker 1: sure she likes to be on TV, but she loves
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  Speaker 1: him and it's his second chance. And Britney loves her
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  Speaker 1: around her kid and feels like she's a good buffer
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  Speaker 1: And so she's grateful. Sometimes when you divorce a horrific guy,
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  Speaker 1: the greatest gift is when they get another woman and
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  Speaker 1: that woman has to deal with them and you and
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  Speaker 1: the woman get along and you're like, thank God I
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  Speaker 1: don't have to directly talk to him. So that is
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  Speaker 1: what I'm putting out in the universe to save this
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  Speaker 1: family and also keep them all making money and keeping
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  Speaker 1: them being our entertaining selves. that would be that he
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  Speaker 1: would have to, you know, change as far as how he's...
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  Speaker 1: Now I see him in the after show and he's like,
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  Speaker 1: I never speak badly about Brit. You know, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: trying to move forward. I made these mistakes. The after
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  Speaker 1: show is really juicy. But then we see You know, again,
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  Speaker 1: it was nine months ago, but as he was leaving
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  Speaker 1: the rehab right before it gets revealed that he had
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  Speaker 1: lied to Brittany and his sister and said that he
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  Speaker 1: was having a heart attack and that he was on
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  Speaker 1: his way to the ER. And then he told the
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  Speaker 1: woman at the front desk of the rehab place, if
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  Speaker 1: anybody calls for me, say that I'm at the ER
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  Speaker 1: having a heart attack. And she is, you know, brought
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  Speaker 1: to tears because he's so, you know, liked he just
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  Speaker 1: doesn't stop. Just like you see the rage text. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't stop when he's talking to you. So, um, that
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  Speaker 1: was completely not true. If you remember when he was
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  Speaker 1: on the villains, um, house of villains, he said that
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  Speaker 1: Brittany had a stroke and she's like, what? I did
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  Speaker 1: not have a stroke, Jax. Like, so he's very comfortable lying,
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  Speaker 1: which is always fascinating to me. Like when you have
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  Speaker 1: to lie about things that, you know, um, I remember
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  Speaker 1: when I had him on my show, he's like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: he was doing, I guess, House of Villains or something else.
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  Speaker 1: And he was like, yeah, everyone just hated me because
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  Speaker 1: all I did was, you know, talk about my beautiful
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  Speaker 1: wife and how much I love my beautiful wife. And
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: I remember going, wow, that's really nice, but it didn't
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: seem real to me. I was like, I don't know
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: that he walks around and just talks about his beautiful
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: wife all the time, but maybe he does. You know,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: sometimes guys that are horrible to their women are very
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: nice about them when they're not around and brag about
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: them because it's an extension of their narcissistic self. My
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: wonderful kids, my fabulous wife, even though then when they're
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: in the house, he's a nightmare. So all very juicy
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: and all she can do is just, she's got to
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: laugh about it. And I say, good for you. Let
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: me see if there's what else I was going to
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: talk about. Oh, Blake Lively. Latest on the Blake Lively. Now, listen, people,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: when I said Blake Lively won, yeah, it was a
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: huge win for her. I don't care what you say.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: It's a huge win that the judge threw out this lawsuit.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Huge win for the New York Times or whatever the
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: paper was as well. However, Justin Baldoni's attorney, Brian Friedman,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: who's very powerful, said to TMZ, let's pray that she
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: does not drop her lawsuit claiming that she was harassed
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: on the set of It Ends With Us. He actually
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: doesn't want her to drop that lawsuit because by having
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: the lawsuit, he can depose Blake and ask her about
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: all these falsehoods that she has said and done. And
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: also at that same time, I guess, try to prove
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: even more nefarious things that she and Blake have done.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I predict she will drop the lawsuit for that exact reason.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Because once she does drop that lawsuit and they continue
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: to try to go after these two other things, these
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: two other lawsuits that they can still pursue, which I'm
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: not totally aware of, I do think at a certain
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: point the public is going to be like, we're over
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: this story, you know? They got over the Tom Girardi story,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you know, who's going now to do his seven years
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: in prison. He finally got sentenced. You know what? The
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Bravo world, we weren't that into it. It's like, okay, fine.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: We knew that was coming. We accept the pretty mess.
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: Hopefully she'll share more about her life. Hopefully she'll get
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: a real boyfriend that we can see. Who knows? But
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: people lose interest. Same thing happened with the Menendez brothers,
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: the second case. Second trial, people had lost interest and
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: they weren't fighting for their... innocence as much publicly. So
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But if I was Blake's attorney, I'd
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: definitely say drop it. And then hopefully for her it'll end.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: For people that are fans of Justin, I know they
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: want justice for him and they want the truth to
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: get out. I think we really see who Blake and
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Ryan are. But again, people forget he's got Deadpool. You
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: really think a 15-year-old boy cares about this shit? No.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: If he does another Deadpool, it'll still be a hit,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: in my opinion, in my prediction. All right, you guys,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: let's get into this exciting interview. You're going to love it.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Even if you're not familiar with The Real Housewives of Miami,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: this is a story of a young woman, Lisa, who
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: fell in love with a powerful plastic surgeon, got on
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: reality TV. He cheated on her. It was caught on
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: camera and everything that she's done to rebuild her life.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: And I think you're going to really see a juicy,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: interesting side to her story that is sadly relatable, whether
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: you know someone or it's you. Here we go for
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: the juice with Lisa from The Real Housewives of Miami.
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 22:23
  Speaker 4: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: You deserve a treat.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: With eight flavours to choose from, you can choose the
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: flavour you favour with Cadbury Dairy Milk.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: I'm Darman, and this is What Happens Next. Each week
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: on the show, I sit down with extraordinary people who
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: have faced tremendous setbacks and yet somehow have found a
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: way to turn them into their greatest strengths.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: filed against me.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: When your free will was about to be taken from you,
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: what would you do if it was given back?
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: He said, I have a work dad. I need a
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: home dad. What happens next? When I came in, he
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: started crying.
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: happens next.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I decided to risk it all. I realized how valuable
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: every day was. You're worth the work.
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: You can use your voice even if it's shaped.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I'm so excited to
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: talk to my guest, Real Housewives of Miami, Lisa Hochstein.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Welcome to Juicy Scoop. It's great to see you. We've
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: hung out in the past and this, you know, hopefully
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: we'll get to hang out in person in the future,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: but I'm so glad you're coming on the show.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Finally, you know,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: this is my first official podcast. I think, I mean,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I've done stuff for Bravo. But this is my first
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: podcast talking about all things Lisa.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Well, I know because I remember we were like DMing
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: and it was a while ago, like a year and
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: a half ago. And you were like, I'm ready to
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: come on. I'm like, yeah, girl, I'm ready to have
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: you on. But so much has happened in your life.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: And it's a very juicy life. And for people that
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: don't follow Real Housewives of Miami, I think your story
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: is one that women especially love. but anybody truly married
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: can really benefit from, especially if you're going through divorce
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: with kids. And what's crazy is we really got to
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: see this journey of your life unfold because Miami, when
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: you joined the first time, was like, what, 15 years ago?
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say 2010, 2011. Yeah.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Is when we first saw you with the original cast,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: you guys did how many seasons, three or four?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: We did three.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Three. And then there was like an eight year break.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: A very long, long break. A lot happened.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you've come back and now this is
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: like the third season is coming up for us to
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: enjoy on Bravo. That's coming up on the 11th.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: The seventh season.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: And that'll be the seventh season. So the first three count.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: And then this is like the the fourth of the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: new season.
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: We should be on season 18, honestly.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really. But okay. So I want to get a
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: little bit about you. Like how, what was your life
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: before you met your ex-husband and how did you guys meet?
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: My life before my ex-husband. I was very young when
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I met him. I was in today's world. I would
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: consider me getting married very young. I was married at 27. Yeah, 27.
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: And we met when I was about 24, turning 25.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And he was he how old was he when you
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: when you met him at 25?
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: He's 16 years older than me. So. Yeah.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: So it would have been like early 40s. Yeah.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: Early 40s. He was never married. No kids. I thought
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: it was going to be perfect. We we met in
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas at a pool party. I had just broken
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: up with a guy I was dating. a realtor, his
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: name was John, dated that guy for about two years.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: I was going, traveling back and forth from Toronto, where
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: I grew up when I was born in Toronto. And
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I was driving the four-hour drive, going to auditions, booking
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: modeling gigs, going back to Toronto. So I was kind
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: of all over the place. I had just broken up
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: with my ex. I was at a pool party in
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Las Vegas when they were actually cool. Yeah. And they
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: were cool. And yeah, and I met him there. He
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: was very, very shy. And a couple weeks later, he
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: messaged me on MySpace. Wow.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Remember those days?
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Like ancient times. Messaged me on MySpace and was very
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: polite and asked if he thought he said, you're very beautiful.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I would love to see you again and whatever else.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: And I kind of ignored the message. And then I
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: happened to be in Miami for the infamous Halloween party.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: And we went on a date and then went to
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: the Halloween party and then we were together.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: So then you guys go to this infamous Halloween party.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: So this was a party that was always going on,
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: but then eventually you guys as a couple ended up
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: hosting it. Like take me through the Halloween history.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: The first one I went to, I think was maybe
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: his second Halloween. Halloween party. He had just moved into
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: our Sunset Island house and he wanted to have this
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: big party because that's what people were doing back then.
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: They were having parties, house parties. So we met there. Well,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: we had a date and then we were at that
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: party and then I never left. And then I was moved.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: He moved me in. He asked me to move in.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: And that was like two months later, seven months after
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: the day we met, he proposed. And two years or
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: about two years after the day we met, we were married.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And how like initially this is such like a whirlwind
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: of like romance and you're in this beautiful house. And
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: you're young and he's a plastic surgeon. I mean, every,
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you know, one thing to marry a doctor, but plastic surgeon,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: you know, that's an extra bonus for the girl.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: How did like, how did your family and friends feel
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: about it? Did anyone have any reservations or?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, everybody, everything was great in the beginning. Like it was,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: it was a fairy tale, you know, it was, it
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: was wonderful. And, really no issues. Everybody was happy for us.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: And so then how many years into the marriage were
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you approached to possibly do Real Housewives of Miami? And
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: how did that go about?
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: So we met in 2007 married in 2009. And about
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: a year after that, or two years after that, 2011,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: I believe we started filming.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: And when it came to you, were you a fan
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: of the Housewives? Had you ever thought like, you know what,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: when you'd watch reality TV, like I could see myself
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: doing that? Or I mean, because you'd already been like
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: kind of in that modeling entertainment world so how do
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: you what was your relationship with reality tv before you
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: decided to be a star yourself yeah you know.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Of course i have watched them you know i think
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: a lot of the women that say they have never
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: watched it i think they're lying i agree i i
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: mean why would you go on a show that you've
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: never seen before i mean it just i think there's
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of liars out there yeah um so i
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: i did watch the shows and yeah i was like
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: well i could I could probably be on, I could
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: probably do that. It's almost like a soap opera and
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I always wanted to be on a soap opera.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: So there was no, so is it all positive? Like nobody,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: you and your husband at the time didn't think like, well,
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: we are exposing ourselves or no, this will be great.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Like it'll be fun. We can advertise the, you know,
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: the plastic surgery center.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: That's it. Well, that was it. He said to me,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: he said, we're going to do this. You're going to
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: promote the plastic surgery center. And I said, of course,
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: because you know, you obviously have to promote something like
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: you can't just, I don't know if I'd want to
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: go on a show and just give it all up
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: and not getting anything in return. So yeah, that was
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: kind of the, that was the goal and to see
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: what else could come out of it. Um, I, I
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: did actually launch a skincare line the last year of
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: filming and then That got put on ice because we
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: separated then. At the end of 2013, we separated and
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: then got back together.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. That's what I don't think we really know.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So we see you, the first part, back in those
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: years when it was like Leah Black and the original cast.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: And at that time, as a viewer, it seemed like
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: everything was great. You were young, you had You were
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: trying to get pregnant. You know, it seemed like a
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: really like, you know, on the same page kind of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: a relationship. So when the show then went on pause
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: for eight years, what happened in your relationship that caused
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: you to separate, which we did not see because you
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: weren't filming? Right.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: It happened. It happened right after, I think, the last
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: reunion air when Joanna Prupa was still on the show.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: And it was on also. that's when it happened right
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: after that. And we were separated for all about maybe
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: two months, a month, maybe two. Um, and we quickly,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: you know, resolved everything. And for that, I'm grateful because
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: if not, I would not have had my Logan and L.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: So very happy that that happened. Um, and then it
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: was just me raising, you know, Busy raising the kids.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: We finally that was one of the story lines. They
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: were focusing on, you know, the house, the Star Island house.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: We finally got the permits to knock it down and rebuild.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: And so a lot happened that the show was following.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: And when we were off air, all of that happened.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: You know, the kids, the house and the med spa.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: You know, all of that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: So then cut to we're watching it. You have your
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: two young children. And you do say after you guys
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: come back from filming with the new cast at that
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: reunion that the marriage was not in a great place.
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: And I remember that was sort of like the first
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: time we heard you ever really say that or reveal it.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: And was there any hesitation in sharing that at the reunion?
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Did you think it through or did it just was,
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: you know, did you plan on it?
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: You know, you really don't have much of a choice
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: on these shows. You like you got to tell it
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: or you could possibly lose your job. I mean, you
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: have to be authentic and you have to like. Say
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: your truth.
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: And that happened. A lot of people didn't know about it.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: It would it would have came out anyway. So I
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: rather it have I rather me tell the story that
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: other people.
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Tell the story. And at that time, what was the
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: reason you gave? I can't remember. Was it that he
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: had an emotional affair or texting or what was it?
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: You know, I'll never know exactly what actually happened. Only
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: he will know and whoever else that was would know. But,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: you know, I was sleeping in the other room trying
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: to figure out my life. Apparently it was emotional affair.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: You know, who knows?
• 34:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: I guess I'll never know.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: So I guess you'll never know. So then you come
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: back and we're watching and it is amazing what a
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: reality show will catch in the dynamics of a marriage.
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: Which was very obvious that you were trying very hard,
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: trying to connect again. But then as a longtime viewer
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: of these shows, sometimes I do give the husbands the
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt because I'm like, Maybe they just
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: don't like filming this anymore. Maybe they thought it would
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: be more fun, and now maybe they don't appreciate that
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: their wife is famous. They don't appreciate that they are
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: getting their own thing. They're annoyed that the cameramen have
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: been setting up for an hour. They're waiting to do
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the stupid breakfast scene. I get all of that. So
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: sometimes I'm like, are we seeing a real thing? Are
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: we seeing the causation of production? What were you feeling
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: as you were filming these things? Did you realize it
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: was As bad as it was?
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: No, I actually didn't. Maybe I'm just used to Lenny
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: and him being maybe dismissive. Maybe that's not great to
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: say out loud.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: But, you know, Lenny has, you know, Lenny's different. But
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: I really didn't think we were headed to divorce for real. Like, yeah,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: we fought, like we were together for, I don't know, what,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: 15 years almost? So we've had the ups and downs
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: and we've had the threats of like, ah, we want out,
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: we want a divorce on both sides. But then it
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: was never real. It was almost like an empty threat. Yeah.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: So there wasn't ever any real thought of us getting
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: a divorce. I mean, it was a shock to me, honestly.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, when we saw like the hot mic moment,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Where he is miked. You guys are getting ready for
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: a party. And he reveals, is talking to another man.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that it? And he kind of was like, well,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I almost feel like I'm going to leave her. I'm
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: almost feeling like I'm cheating on my girlfriend with my
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: wife or something. It was something like that. I mean,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: did he really forget that he was miked?
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: I saw that for the rest of the world. I
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: didn't know about that. I didn't know. I got a
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: little warning, you know, the day before that episode came out.
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: I got a little phone call. So everybody knew except
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: for me. I mean, on the other side. But it
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: was really hard to watch. Because, you know, of course,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: my feelings were hurt. And that's still, like, it stung.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: No matter what, how long. I was with Jodi watching
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: that episode, actually. And I was.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: crying.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Like he was, he was feeling bad for me because that,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: that is really hard to hear when you don't know that,
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: you know, divorce is literally right around the corner. And,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: you know, a week before that, I think we were
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: talking about having a third child. So we were talking
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: about having a third child a week before that. You know,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: he came to support me at the smile. We had
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: a charity for the smile training. And that, that actually
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: didn't get aired, but he came to support me. Uh,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: we went to go dinner. Everything was fine. Uh, we
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: actually went to a birthday party that same after that
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: high pot Mike moment, we went to a birthday party
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: that same evening and holding hands, kissing, doing all the stuff,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: you know, photos. Uh, it was a good vibes party.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: I had a good, I was having the time of
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: my life. I was just dancing, happy. My kids were involved.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I thought he looked happy. Um, had no idea that
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: that was a conversation with one of my friends, one
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: of my good friends also. And then nobody told me.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: And the way it was said was just like.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: It was crazy. Like I can see it in my head.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: It was so.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't know he had another life, you know, because
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: that's what it sounded like.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: So that happens. And you aren't aware that that happened
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: on film. You continue to go, like you said, have
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: fun on and off camera with him.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: And then when.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Was it revealed that, no, we are separating because I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: am in love with someone else?
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Two days after that. See, it was March 27th, 2022.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: I remember all the dates.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: And how did he tell you? So you think things
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: are okay on the mend? You're planning a future together?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was acting really extra cold. And then I
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: asked him, I go, is everything okay? He's like, no,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: I just, I don't want it. It's done. It's over.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: I want a divorce. Like very cold. I'm like, whoa, what?
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: um yeah so I just I couldn't believe I'm like
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: no just really I'm like let's talk about this let's
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: work this out what do you mean you want a
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: divorce what's happening you know trying to get all of
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: the information and um I'm like we're also filming like
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: is this a joke uh we're in the middle of
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: the season um like I have to go back what
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: am I gonna say what am I gonna do I'm
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: thinking so many thoughts like what What am I going
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: to do? Where am I? What's going to happen to
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: the kids and us? It was just a lot to
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: take in.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: So when he said it, it wasn't on camera. But
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: then when you go to the other, like you had
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: like a little girls trip at like the beach.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: And then when you show up and you tell them
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: and that moment, which really was, I mean, horrible for you,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: but like such amazing. kind of a great moment for
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: the cast that really gathered around. And I loved like
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: the anger.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: And then like Alexia being like, I knew it. And like,
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: you know, with the accent, like there was something like
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: very empowering about it in such a real moment, because
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: sometimes as someone that's been a fan of Real Housewives
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: from the very beginning and You know, there's certain things
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: that have lost authenticity along the way just because the
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: people that are on the show have been watching them
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: for 15 years. And they do start to perform or
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: believe they have to bring something that it doesn't exist
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: or the cast is more casted and it's not real
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: friends or whatever. So that moment where they really gathered
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: around you and you were just like broken and just
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: spilling the beans, it was like, I mean, that was,
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: you know, so... just so real.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: It was, it was honestly, I was hiding this and trying,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: I didn't know how long I could hide it for.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: I wanted to quit the show when it happened. I
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: just didn't want to, I was in a really obviously
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: understandably a very dark, dark place. I, they were trying
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: to get me to film. I'm like, I can't, I'm
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: feeling sick. I can't, I can't. Uh, we did a
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: couple of scenes at the house. We had just put
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: our dog down, uh, boxer because he had, um, He
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: had a medical issue that just we couldn't fix at
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: the end. We tried our best, had to put him down.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: And we had to film a scene with the kids
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: to talk about that. And I was at myself and
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: everyone knew, the producers, everybody was like, something's off. And
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: I just didn't want to tell anybody. I finally had
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: to tell them. I didn't want to go on the
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: cast trip. They're like, you have to go. This is
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: our job, you know? I'm like, I can't. I'm sorry.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I can't. I remember one of the producers who I'm very,
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: very close to literally had to come and almost lift
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: me off of the floor and help me throw some
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: stuff in a suitcase. I'm like, I can't do this.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: And then I went because I had to go. It's
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: part of my contract.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I had to go.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: And now, what am I going to do? I just
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: didn't know what to do. I was so confused.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: And was there any time to obviously... A few years later,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: which I just was saying this on my Patreon the
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: other day, I said, you know, out of all my
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: friends that have gotten divorced, it can be horrible. But
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I said, I don't know anybody that three years later
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: isn't in a better place. I don't know what those
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: three years are going to be like. But like every
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: single person I know is like, thank God it happened.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you know, sure, I have some regrets along the way
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: or not, but like three years later, like, so obviously
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: you're in a much better place. You're, you've been with
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: your current fiance now for a few years.
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: But I just wonder, like, were there any moments in just,
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: you know, not believing it's true that did you have
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: any regrets of like, maybe if I had never become
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: a public figure? Maybe if I never brought cameras into
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: the home, maybe this, did you ever think anything like that?
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: No, I think it would have happened without, with or
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: without the cameras.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: For sure. Like, you know, the parties didn't help all
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: of the eyes on our life. You know, there's a
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: lot of, you know, a certain type of woman, female
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: that like it's attracted to Miami and those parties. And
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I didn't, I didn't love those parties.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: So how often would the parties happen that you guys
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: would host? where it was just like.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Halloween party was the most important one. And, um, I
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: never loved them because I just didn't want to be
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: a part of my husband communicating with all of these,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: you know, 20 something single women having to invite them.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I thought that was weird. I'm like, can't we just
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: like maybe have your office do the inviting or maybe
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: have a joint page, which actually he has now with
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: his ex fiance, uh, where we can both kind of communicate.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: and do the invites there or have someone at his
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: office like running the invitation lists.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: What was the point? Was it a profitable party? Was
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: it to PR for the plastic surgery or was it
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: just fun?
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, in the beginning when I was doing it with
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: him at the old house, I incorporated charities like Make-A-Wish.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I love Make-A-Wish, the Humane Society. We made over like
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: quarter of a million dollars, I think we would raise money.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: for that, you know, everything was, was open bar.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: But wait, I just, I have a question. So how
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: would you raise the money? Like people would want to
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: come to the hottest party of the year and therefore
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: the tickets would be $ 500 a person and then they
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: could go or how?
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Just whatever donation. And we would have the actual Make-A-Wish volunteers.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: I had nothing to do with them. Scott brought them in.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: I just, you know, opened my home up with Make-A-Wish
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: and I had their people come in and collect the money.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: So Make-A-Wish or Humane Society. And we raised a lot
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: of money. But then my ex didn't want to do
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: that because it was just inviting just anybody. So he
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: didn't want to do that anymore. I wanted to do it,
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: but he didn't want to continue. To make it more exclusive,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: I guess.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: So that was more exclusive. And Halloween is always a
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: slutty time. So, you know, dressing scantily at Halloween is
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: nothing that is of suspect. But is it because of
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: these like sexy Halloween parties that you guys would have
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: that the rumors began that you guys were swingers?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, that that was so strange to me because.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: I am not that I don't do that. But yeah,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: that was rumor for many, many, many years because of
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: these scantily clad women all over the house. They were single.
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Some of them were porn stars. There was a lot
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: of like OnlyFans girls. And, you know, so I get
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: why people would think that, understandably. But I believe it,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: you know, it brought in a lot of business for Lenny,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: He did get a lot of business through this, I guess,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: networking party.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: And so then in that, that is where he met
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: the woman who he got engaged to and then they
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: broke up. but are they back together now? I've seen,
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: I've seen it. They, where are they now? Him and
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: the current girl.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: They're not together.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: They're not. Okay.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: They're looking up for maybe the third, fourth, the fifth time.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but yeah, I think the initial time
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: it's over for now.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: What the future holds.
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But, and then, so that we got to see,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: there was a little bit of talk among the girls
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: that they were at parties and they would either see
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: them together or see her and were like, Oh my God,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: how do we warn you? I mean, were you ever
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: scared that maybe somehow like she would try to weasel
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: her way onto the show?
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: I think that that was the goal all along. I
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: think that she saw an opportunity and she wanted to
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: be famous. I think she was on, um, The Hills, maybe?
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: She was on that show as.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Oh my God, no, wait, I think you were. You're right,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: because when I was interviewing Spencer Pratt, who's a good
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: friend of mine, like a few years ago, he's like, no,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: we know that girl.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: The Jenner son.
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: Brody.
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: She was married, too, by the way. She was married,
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: had a boyfriend, and was fully trying to get on
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: that show.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was something that she, yeah, was talking
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: to them.
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Clout chaser.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And so in that in the time that they
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: were together and with your two kids, obviously they got
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: to spend time with her. Yeah. And was that OK?
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I don't know how much I should comment on that.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: But for me, it was not OK. For many, many reasons.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yes. But, you know, it's very hard thing to do.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: You can't really like control everything. who they hang out
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: with unless there's something bigger there, which let's get into
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: your venture, which I think sounds amazing, which is, it's
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: called Split Well.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Split Well. Right?
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: Because you're splitting up, but you want to do it well.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Want to do it well. Don't we all want that?
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: That's what I want for everybody. That is why I
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: developed this app. I don't want anyone to go through
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: what I went through.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: So tell us about the app a little bit and
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: how it works for people.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I'm actually going to even show you the app.
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: And actually, we are launching tomorrow, which is super exciting.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: My team and I have worked on this for the
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: last year and a half. It's been... a lot of
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: work and I'm super proud of it. And I think
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: it's going to help so many women, so many people.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: I wish I had it when I was going through
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: my divorce. I think it would have saved me so
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: much money, so much pain, anxiety, and just, you know,
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: helped me understand my documents, understand how to choose a lawyer.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: And so these are some of the tools that we
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: have in our app right now. We have four tools,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: which we will be expanding on in the next coming
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: months and the next version. So we have the recommended attorneys.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: That's for me, that was the hardest to choose an attorney.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: So right now we have four major states, Texas, California, Florida,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: and New York. So we had to scour the country
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: to find the best lawyers that are ethical and that
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: have the same goal as everyone else does, which is
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: to try to have a, you know, a painless, as
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: painless as possible divorce. The next feature, the chat advocate
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: is almost like having an expert or someone that's like
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: a best friend that will stop you from saying something
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: you can't take back because once you, stop the conversation
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: with your partner and there's no going back. You're literally
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: handing that over to your lawyers and that costs a
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: lot of money. So this chat advocate is there to deescalate,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: deescalate the chat, deescalate the conflict and just help that conversation.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I love that. I mean, it's very true. You know,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: you need a friend, but sometimes a friend isn't is
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: not who you need because sometimes they can't be trusted.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they're playing, you know, I mean, the Kyle Durit
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: and PK situation on Beverly Hills can get icky. Also,
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: sometimes you exhaust your friend, your free friend. And or
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: sometimes when you're going through a divorce and you're sharing everything,
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: it can be a little weirdly contagious or people believe
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: it's contagious. And so by you sharing, sharing, sharing, sometimes
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: it can affect your friends' relationships with their husbands or
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: because of it, they, they abandon you. So I think
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: it's really important to have, yeah, I think it's really
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: important to have another outlet. Like you said, that's not a,
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: not your sister, not your best friend, not the mom
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: at the school, you know, like a.
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: Vault, you know, like an expert. Yeah. friend vault that
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: is not going to let you ruin this relationship and
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: have to go get the lawyers to figure out all
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: your problems. Okay, great. And then you have the meeting advocate.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: So this is basically a note taker, an expert, another,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: you have a team of experts in Spitwell. So this
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: note taker is sitting with you in your meetings, in
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: your phone calls, is taking all of your notes, analyzing
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: all of your documents, and helping you make the best
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: decisions for your specific case. And then we go to
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: the document advocate where you can upload all of your paperwork,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: all of your legal documents. You can upload your prenup,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: your postnup, your MSA, which is your marital settlement agreement.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: You can upload your parenting plan, all of these very
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: important documents and Honestly, like mine was about 80 pages long.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: So it's incredibly difficult to go and find exactly what
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: section or whatever answer I need. So here you have
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: your expert helping you find the answers that you might have.
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: So instead of, you know, asking every little question, calling
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: your lawyer, racking up those bills, you can just go
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: into the document advocate and you can ask the questions
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: and it will give you the answers.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: So speaking of which, we also saw on the show,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: that he, your ex, decides to buy you a house,
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: but that you can live there. He would own it,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: but you could never move in a man that's not
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: your child.
• 54:11
  Speaker 5: So.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: We changed that. We made some changes.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Now, if you would have asked Splitwell if that was
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: a great idea.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, Splitwell would have had my back, would have saved
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: me from that. You know, Splitwell, that's what I mean.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: I wish I had Splitwell to help me make better decisions. Right.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Gave me a lot of money and a lot of
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: time and made better decisions.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: So where did that, where are you now with your
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: own situation that you can share as far as how
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: close are you? Did you guys finally get divorced or no?
• 54:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, you did?
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we are.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: We are officially divorced as of November of last year, 2024.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't end there. I know you're not divorced.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: You're happily married.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: I've been married 25 years, but I do feel like
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: half of people get divorced. That's been like that for
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: a really long time. And I think there's There's just
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: some really– there's some things, yeah, that if it can
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: be helpful, you know. I didn't know what your app was,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: but I know there's, you know, other times where people
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: communicate with their spouse through like a court-appointed thing to
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: kind of keep track so that nobody says disparaging, awful things.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: And then this is almost like your situation with Flitwell.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: So this is something that you could even– get before
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: you're getting divorced, right? And just kind of like.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: You know, even if you're contemplating divorce, even if you've
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: been divorced for years, even, you know, it's literally for anybody.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: It's free. You have nothing to lose. It's free for
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: right now. We want to get as many users as
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: possible because I want their, we want their feedback. My
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: team and I want the feedback so we can just
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: make it that much better. You know, whatever we feel
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: that people need to know, we want to incorporate that
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: into the app. Do you know how much the industry is?
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: The divorce industry, like how much?
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: No, do tell.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: 50 billion.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: 50 billion. Wow. That is a lot. Yeah.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: 50 billion that's going into the lawyer's pockets and it's
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: coming out of everyone else's pockets. So if Splitwell can
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: save at least 5% or 10%, and just help people
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: and help families and help put that money back into
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: the children's future or their future, whatever it is, like,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: that's what we're here to do. We want, we want
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: to help people because divorce is devastating. It's the worst
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: thing next to death. You can, you can deal with
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: in your lifetime.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And where, how are you with your ex mother-in-law? Cause
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: that was kind of, that was also a really interesting
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: thing to see, you know, when you are Um, at
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: first it seemed she was, you know, just appalled and
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: it is her son, however. And, you know, so it
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: seemed like she was supportive of you. I do think
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: it's a hard position to be in. Obviously it's your
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: child and what are you going to do? And also
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: a man, if it's a son, you know, and you
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: got to stick with your kid, but it was sad
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: to see your situation. How is there any repair in
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: that with your mother-in-law?
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: We haven't spoken since that day, I think. I don't think...
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen her and I haven't spoken to her
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: since that day. I think everyone saw on the show.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: I believe that she was, you know, kind of getting
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: cozy with the now ex. And I've heard that she...
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: she now kind of saw through it. Like she, she
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: understands what was going on. You know, they, everyone eventually figures,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: figures it out. But no, we, it's, it's very sad
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: because I've known her for so long. She's, the kids
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: see her all the time. She's, she is very helpful
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: with the kids, I have to say. But I don't,
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't see her. And it's just, it's
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: a loss. Like the whole thing is like a loss,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: you know?
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I think it's, yeah, I think that's always the thing
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: people don't think about, like how hard that really, is
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: to maintain a relationship with your child's ex when there's
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: kids and it's contentious. Of course, it can be done.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: And then there's this moment, I would think, if I
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: was in her position where I still just want to
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: be with my son and my kids. So it's like
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: if he's making me choose, then I'm just going to
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: make the best out of the situation, even though she
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: might have had real love for you. You know, she's
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: an older woman.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: You'll love for me, but I believe that I eventually
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: won her over once the kids came along.
• 59:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: We had a different relationship, you know, we were never perfect, but, uh, I,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, I wish things didn't go down the
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: way they did. I think it's best in the best
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: interest of the kids. If we could all just, you know,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: get along, hope parents and just not have all of
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: this drama. I don't want it. Um, I just want happiness.
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to be that. And I am happy. Finally,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: I'm on the other side. Finally, thank God for anyone
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: out there. This is like beginning stages for you. Just
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: know that you will get to the other side and
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: it does get better. And if you're using split well,
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: it's going to help you that much more.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: And have things gotten better? Like with, are the, the
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: co-parenting exchanges, like, do you have a pattern down that's like,
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: you know, maybe less contact and a little more seamless?
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: Are you still working on that with your ex?
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: You know, you're going to have to communicate about the
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: kids no matter what. I have very young kids. And
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: when this happened, they were two and six at the time.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: Now they're five and nine. But there's always something that
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: comes up and we have to make joint decisions.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: Like schools and yeah.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: We do.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: But you know what? These parenting plans are never... they're
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: never thorough enough. They're very vague. So there's a lot
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: of issues that come up that's not in the parenting
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: plan and you wish you had put that into the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: parenting plan. And again, if I had had this AI-powered
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: app split well, I would have made better decisions. I
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: would have put certain things in my parenting plan that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: I would not have known about.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: What's a couple of things that like you didn't think would,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: could cause a fight that you wish you would have
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: put in writing?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, like, like the birthday parties, for example. Yeah. You
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: meaning with the parenting plan?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So what you would have, you would have put
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: in what, like each, you know, every other year you
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: get it on.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, we have, I'm not going to go
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: too deep into it, but we have something where, It
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: says we have to agree on the camps, like summer
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: camps and any of that. And Lenny is responsible to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: take care of those camps. But if they're not camps,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: according to him, if it's, you know, it's not the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: definition of, I don't know, a school extracurricular camp. I mean,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: if it's like a cooking class or something, which the
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: kids enjoy, then he doesn't want to pay for it.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Because to him, that's not a camp, but it is.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: It is a camp. So all of these little things,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: I wish I had made a little more clear in
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: the parenting plan. There's a bunch more, but I don't
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: know how long you have. I could be here all day.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, I always think of just having... to you.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: What is the uniform? Now you've got to specify, okay,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: he's taking care of the uniform, but what is the uniform?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: Is a backpack a part of the uniform? Like little
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: petty things like that. And you know, all of it
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: adds up. And is it that important at the end
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: of the day? No, but you know, people get heated
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: and this is why the chat advocate comes in handy
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: because it, you know, deescalates those conversations.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: I also think if you can afford it, is because
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: it seems to always be a thing, but if you
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: could afford it to buy two basketball uniforms, two school uniforms,
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: the shoes, the cleats, the whatever, and have them both
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: have a matching set at each parent's because you are,
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: there is going to be, someone's going to forget. And
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: was it the dad's fault, the nanny's fault, the kid's fault?
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: You've got to, and you know, And the kid doesn't
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: want to like get in trouble for forgetting or you
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: know what I mean? And so I do think that
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: is expensive for most people. But I always thought, God,
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: if you could afford to just have double, that could
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: save some heartache.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: For sure. If you can do that, absolutely do it.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Because it's quite annoying to like, you know, have everything
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: go back and forth and you forget things. So we
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: do have that. But, you know, there's always something that
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: comes up and I have to refer to the Parenting plan.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: And because it says agreed upon, you'll say, no, but
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't agree. I didn't agree to that. And so
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: then it's a problem. And then you have to go.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: And is it worth it to fight it? Sometimes it's
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: just not. So, yeah, the parenting plan is very important.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: You really have to think about the parenting plan and
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: the changes that will happen when you have young kids
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: all the way until they're 18 or 21 years old.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Because they're going to have a different set of needs
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: when they're 15 and 16 than they do right now.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Right. And once they can decide, you know, yeah, I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: know it's my weekend with dad, but it's my friend's
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: birthday and we're all going to Disney World, you know.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: And then that has to be worked out and the
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: dad has to realize it's not you turning the kid
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: against him. It's the child has a social life and
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: she needs to properly– communicate with the dad and the
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: dad can't be sensitive and you can't be sensitive. And
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: so it's like, there, there's so, there's so much with it.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: But before I let you go, so we've got, you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: filmed the season. It's going to air. What, what June 11th,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: what have you loved most about being a real housewife?
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: What's the best thing about it?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: I think the platform being able to, you know, have
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: split well and helping people. Like I think that's what
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: the platform should be used for. And I feel like
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: this is not a vanity project. This is a passion
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: project and it's coming from my own experience and just
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: women's experience. I have had so many DMS from so
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: many women and like horror stories. So just being able
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: to help people and now use my platform for better.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: I know there's a lot of bickering and fighting and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: people love to see that, but I love that I'm
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: able to do something positive. And I really hope that
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: it really helps a lot of people. I think that's,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: I think that's the best about being a housewife and
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: having this huge platform.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: And what's the worst thing about it?
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: Oh my God. Like all of the fighting, all of the,
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: you know, petty bickering. I get anxious so many times
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: going into like group settings when you know there's going
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: to be something, something's going to pop off. You know,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: and that's, I don't like that. Like, I've never really
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: had a fight with any of the women, really. It's
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: always been, I've always been very neutral in the, you know,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: from day one, from the moment I got on the show.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: And this season is very different. This season, I actually
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: have some issues. You know, for the last three years,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: it's been Lenny. That's my ex. That's who my enemy was.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: And now nobody wants to hear about Lenny anymore. We
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: get it. Noted, right? So now, you know, it's really
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: the group friend dynamic has really shifted. And in episode one,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: it pops off right away. So, yeah, like we get
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: into it right away.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Good. Well, I mean, look, it's a really fun city
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: to watch, right? You know, I love when the city
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: is also gorgeous. So, you know, that's what I loved
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: about New York. That's what I love about Beverly Hills.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, the girls can be great, but
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: when the girls are great and the fashion's fun and
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: the city is beautiful to look at. Miami is, you know,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: so good.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: I love that, too. I love watching to see, what
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: are they wearing? Let me see where they live. Like,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: I want to see all the glam, the glitz. I
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: want to see all of it. And I want to
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: see a little bit of fighting, but not too much.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: I also want to see real partnerships.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: So are we going to see, like, a wedding or
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: anything coming up for you? Where do you stand with
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: your boyfriend, Jodi, your fiancé?
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet. We don't know. We have to
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: discuss that a little more.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: But you are... But you are engaged, right?
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're not engaged.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Do you want to say hi? Come on over and
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: say hi. You want to ask him?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: I really, I thought that you were, I couldn't remember. Oh,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: you're so cute. So, um, you guys have a great
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: relationship and how did you meet?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: Um, I, I slid into her DMs.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, so were you watching the show?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: Um, I just had heard from our, cause I just
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 6: lived over on the next island. And so I had
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 6: heard from some of my friends that she had, that
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 6: her and Lenny had broke up and I had like,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: everybody knew who they were. And then I, I just
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: broke up with my ex and I was like, huh,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 6: maybe I'll, maybe I'll like, who am I going to date?
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 6: Maybe I'll, maybe I'll try her.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: So then I DM'd her.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 6: I didn't realize that that was like a long shot, really.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I, I haven't like dated a lot
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 6: of people, you know, I was in a, almost a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: 20 year relationship. And then a six year relationship and Lisa.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: And by the way, his ex-wife and I are like
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: really close friends.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: That's so nice.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: And she was, they were married for 14 years. Then he,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: you know, for six years, he had another relationship. You know,
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: the first one you never get along with, you know,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: maybe the second one after it's probably easier. You know,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: the dust has settled by then, but his ex is great.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: And her husband is great. They take my children out
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: to the movies. If we're not here, they come over
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: for Christmas. Yeah. We've done trips together. We have done
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: ski trips together. It's like, we're like a little family
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: and I love it.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: Do you have children too? Yeah.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah. She's here today.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 6: So I have a 16 year old.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's great.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Part of the reason why I.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: Like to take things, you know, you don't want to make,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 6: you know, anything too traumatic. So we, we took a
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: year and a half before we moved in together, you know,
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: now we've moved in together. Now, now we're kind of,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 6: I wanted to see, I want to make sure she
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: was getting divorced.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: That was important. Right.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Cause I mean, I, I totally clowned my ex for
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: getting engaged while he was still married. Do you remember that?
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, I mean, I think that's good. I don't
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: think there has to be like any, rush either I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: think you know especially when there's kids involved and stuff
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: it's like but I think it it was great because
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: that was another thing where it was like I mean
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: we're all watching it at home and we're like rooting
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: for you but at the same time we're like Lisa
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: like this is gonna be a lot for the boyfriend
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: like maybe he doesn't maybe he can't take this anymore
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: you know like.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 6: Part of it too because I was like can I
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: make it through this like it was It was just
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 6: Lenny coming at her and this girlfriend of his just
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 6: coming at her the entire time. And I was catching
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 6: a lot of the shrapnel coming off of that and
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 6: helping her through the whole thing, you know, because it
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 6: was just amazing how much she got picked on.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: He protects me a lot. Like he really has been
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 2: such a support for me. I don't know how I
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: could have gone through all of this without him. Like
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: he's talked me off the ledge many times.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: You know, but you know, people don't understand our relationship
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: and you're going to see that in this season too.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: The poor guy gets beat up way too much and
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: he doesn't deserve it. He's the nicest guy in the world.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: He doesn't raise, I don't think he, he's never raises
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: his voice. Like he's the, he's the calmest guy ever.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: The nicest guy, most supportive guy.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 6: And I'm not trying to be a cast member. You know,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 6: I never wanted to be on the show. I don't
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 6: want to be, I didn't want to be a cast member.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 6: I'm not getting paid to be on the show.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 2: I don't, He's doing me a favor.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: I didn't expect that everything was going to happen the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 6: way that it ends up going down this season.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: I asked him, I said, you know, I'm on the show.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I'm a little worried for you. Are you sure you
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: want to? I was like, how bad can it be? Yeah,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: he said, how bad can it be? And now it's bad.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: How do you, though, go on with your life without
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: an episode airing And based on the edit and based
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: on where they're steering the story, you guys get, you know,
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: you open your phone and people are assuming things that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: are not correct. And you, like, how do you keep
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: yourself from, like, wanting to defend yourself and just turning
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: off your phone? Or do you not? Do you get
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: engaged with talking to fans?
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 6: I mean, I would prefer to not even watch the episodes.
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 6: I tried to not watch as much as I could.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: but she likes for me to watch them with her.
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  Speaker 6: But when it comes to the, yeah, it was really
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: shocking to me when I, when I read things that
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 6: are completely off the wall and you get all these
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: people supporting and believing it. Like for example, there was
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 6: a story that came out that, that, that my ex wasn't,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 6: wasn't my girlfriend.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: She was my wife. And I was like, What? Like,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: go look it up. And there was another one that
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: I've used. I've used the real home record of Miami.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: Like all these fake stories that we tried to ignore
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: because these people want clout, right? Like all of them,
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: they're just like leeches. They're just trying to get in there.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 6: It was just a shock to me how the whole
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: world works around this stuff. Like I wasn't that familiar
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 6: with all of it, you know?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's just in the world that we live in,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: everyone can have an opinion and they can put it
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: in writing and they can put it under a, under
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: a photo, which then that comment might also spark another
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: story of just some random saying, I know the truth.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: And then that going down a rabbit hole. So, I mean,
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: it's very different from when people signed up for the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: show 15 years ago. I'm sure you, I mean, even
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: with you, Lisa, I mean, I'm sure it's such, you
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: used to just have to do those little like blogs
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: yourself and then wait till the reunion to confront each other.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: And now it's like, Oh, yeah.
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: We had to write a little diary after every episode
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: and then put it up on the website. And now
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: we have everyone else doing it for us and podcast.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: And it's like become a whole thing with social media.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: It's its own animal.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: Which, you know, look, I have always loved the show. So,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm one of those people that have made
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: this a part of my podcast along with like pop
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: culture and comedy and stuff. So I see it, but
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: I also... you know, understand how hard it is too,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: because at a certain point I've had that happen to me.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, that's not true. How am I, you know?
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: And then I'm like, well, I guess I deserve it.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: Cause I've talked about like you guys. So I do think,
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: you know, the more that you can get to a
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: place of like, this would be my advice to anyone
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: is just like, even though it seems like it's so
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: huge and the whole world is talking about it, it
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: still is this like, weird niche thing and they do
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: move on and time will always get you to the truth.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: And in the meantime, I just wouldn't like let it
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: keep you up at night or ruin a whole day
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: by looking at your phone or what, you know?
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: I think, I think what makes it hard is because
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: I have, um, I, well, I had a pretty public
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 6: life as a tech founder and I have to try
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 6: to balance that. And so I, I don't, you know, my,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 6: my main, uh, business for the last, I don't know,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: 15 years has been selling software to law firms actually.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 6: So like, you know, I really don't want, you know,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 6: all this kind of stuff getting skewed in one direction
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: or another. I would, I'd like to get as little
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: camera time as possible.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: Sorry for bringing you into that.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: But I always wonder, you know, cause it's like, you know,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: if you fall in love with a woman on the housewives, you,
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: you have to agree to be on it. And then
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: you get all these women watching that are criticizing either
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: you're too involved or you're not involved enough or you
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: want to be a housewife or you're being aloof. Listen,
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: a lot of people are miserable that watch the show
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: and they don't really want to see. They probably will
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: love you more, Lisa, when you are crying as like
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: a shell of yourself. than what we're probably going to
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: see this season now that you're doing better. You know,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: there's going to be people like me and other people
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: that are going to like love it. And then there's
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: going to be people that just will come out of
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: the troll bridge and just be kind of mad that
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: like they just don't want it. They don't want because,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: you know, when they related when you were suffering because they,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: you know, weren't in a happy place and then you
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: recover from it and you're doing better than ever. So
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: that's a part of it, too. And that can happen
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: with castmates, but it can also just happen with the
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: viewers not being so happy that you're doing better. They
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: like you better when you're crying.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: It's part of the job, you know?
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: It's part of the job. That's what I signed up for.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: What would be your advice if someone came to you
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: and said, hey, I've been approached. They're doing a new
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: season somewhere. And I'm contemplating if I should go be
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: a real housewife in whatever, Chicago. What would be your
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: advice to someone thinking of doing it? Okay.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: So my advice would be don't go on the show
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: if you have things you don't want to get out
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: there because they will come out. I think a lot
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: of people, not a lot of people, but some people
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: make the mistake of thinking they're going to keep these
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: skeletons hidden. Yeah. Somebody always dig them up.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: So I think that is, like my best advice to
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: give and, you know, have something you actually want to
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: do with the platform. Don't just go and just give
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: away your life for free, you know, try the platform
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: and do something with it.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's great. I think that's great advice. I mean,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I also think, you know, for younger people that are
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: joining a reality TV, it is a little different for
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: them because especially if there's someone that already has been
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: giving every thought, every moment of their life on social
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: media from like 15 on, and now they're 30 And
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: they want to be entertainment and they're being approached to
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: be on a show. I'm like, yeah, you've got nothing
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: to lose. You know, like I get it. And then
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: I think there's people that haven't been like that and
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: have lived kind of private, wealthy lives. And for them,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: it's probably not the wisest sometimes to go on the show,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: you know? Nope.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: Definitely. Yes. Have I had some regrets? I mean, I
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: would have never done the show if I was... going
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: through the divorce, but I was already, you know, I
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: already signed up years ago. Everything was fine. I was
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: loving it. I was having a blast until I wasn't. Yeah.
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: Right. But then, you know, it's like truly everything happens
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: for a reason. Cause like, look at you now, you
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: are launching this incredible app, which I think is going
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: to be very successful and you're in love and like
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: you have your own thing going and you know, it,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Maybe if this show never would have come, you would
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: have just, you know, still been or you would have
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: been divorced and not in a financial place to support yourself.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: So like, I do see that there's a lot of positives,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: you know, that happened from it. So like, yeah, your marriage,
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: when the marriage wasn't right anyway, obviously, if he stepped
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: out on you, he was going to step out on
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: you no matter what, that being on a reality show
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't cause someone to, you know, be, you know, to
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: practice infidelity. So yeah. Anyway, this has been really fun.
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: I loved talking to you. It was really great getting
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: to know you a little bit, Jodi, in your honesty.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 1: We're so excited for the season. The app is Splitwell. Lisa,
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: where can they follow you if they aren't already following you?
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: You can follow me at Lisa Hochstein on Instagram, on
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: really every platform, TikTok. I need TikTok followers. I'm just
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: getting on that.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: But splitwell.com. Tomorrow the app goes live. It's available for
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: iOS and it will be available for Android in the
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: next coming weeks.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thanks so much, you guys. And then hopefully I'll
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: get to hang out with you in person soon. Are
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: you going to BravoCon?
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to. I hope to see you before that.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, cool. Thanks.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: Thanks.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Good to see you. Thank you so much.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: Bye. One reward. Endless choice. Skip the hassle. Reward the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: easy way.