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Muslims who don't pray (ft. Nabaa Baher) · After Maghrib 🌙

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Smila Rahman, Raheem Assalamu Alaikum, and welcome back to
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another episode on your favorite Shia Muslim podcast after
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Over the last few weeks, no doubt you've been attending
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Majalis and you've heard many times from the pulpits Imam and
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Hussain about Abdullah Salamullah Alayhi.
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On the 10th of Muharram, in the battle of Karbala, he stood, he
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paused and he stopped and established Salah.
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In the middle of battle, even though arrows were aimed towards
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him, he established Salah. And it's a time where when we
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reflect on these holy nights, we reflect on the message of
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Karbala. What did Imam Persain stand for?
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We know where he stood in terms of his relationship about last
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panel Wattala and it's time we reflect and ask ourselves and
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give ourselves a reality check where do we stand when it comes
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to our Salah and our relationship with Allah.
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We are joined by an amazing guest all the way from Canada
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and before we introduce the sister.
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I can't have these conversations alone after introduce my amazing
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brother Ahmed Gokul Salaam alaikum Salaam, what Allah have
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you? How are you doing?
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I'm all right, brother, How are you doing?
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I'm well, I have a question. Oh no.
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Did you pray today? I'm not asking you to make that
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question. I'm not seeing the question, I'm
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So said good topic inshallah, and I know that this is of
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course something which we've had a lot of anticipation for.
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We have, and I'm surprised we haven't discussed it earlier.
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On in depth as well for sure. Like I think it's one of a
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given. Like it's a given topic, we put
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out polls before we introduce our guests and of course with,
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with with your permission, we put a poll out on on Instagram
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today and we've already had 4000 views and thousands and
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thousands of responses. The first thing, did you pray
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five times? Do you pray five times a day?
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58% said I pray daily, but I either miss some praise or I
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pray late. Only 34% of people said they
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pray on time. And the remaining people said, I
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only pray once in a while or I don't pray at all.
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We asked people what's stopping you from praying more.
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Just under 50% said I'm too busy, my schedule's too busy.
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Some other people said they struggle with addictions and
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their demons. Other people said they're not
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spiritually complete. Then there's other things which
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we'll talk about, I'm sure across the episode.
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But if I'm honestly, this is something which I've had a
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hesitance to speak about. Yeah, I told you this today.
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I think mainly because I don't want to seem like a hypocrite,
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you know, we're, we're privileged to be in a position
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where we can address thousands of people a week and to sit here
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and talk about the importance of Salah and everything is very
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important. But I don't feel like I have
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reached my pinnacle by any means.
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I have a long way to go in my journey towards improving my
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Salah and my my attention and my timeliness.
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And these are all things which I think we'll get into today.
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So I'm very pleased and honoured to welcome and introduce Sister
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Naba Baha Salaam, Alaikum's sister.
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Alaikum Salaam. Thank you so much for being
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here. Thank you for having me.
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You have been speaking in London, Al Hamdullah, over the
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last week or two, yeah. How has your experience been?
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Honestly one of the best experiences that I've ever had.
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One of the best Muharams that I've ever had.
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Although it's been the busiest. I don't know how the 1st 10
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nights finished and how we're already moved on to the next 10
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nights, but it's honestly when Barakatar has saying, that's all
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I have to say. It's, it's been such a blessing.
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Yeah. That's amazing.
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Can I just ask, Yeah, how do you see a different between London,
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Canada and the US? What stands out about London
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was. London, the youth, someone's
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going to say the youth. The youth in London here are
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like no other. You truly do feel like they are
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Husseinis at heart. And Windsor, perhaps because
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Windsor there isn't that much opportunities for the youth or
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even with Michigan there, they might be restricted here and
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there. But in here in London, you have
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a 19 year old running an entire. Hey, a 19 year old.
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I was shocked at the amount of youth who are running.
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Hey, odds and they're successful.
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Yeah, I need to see. I was invited by a 19 year old
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and honestly, I was in awe and I was so inspired.
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And even now, inshallah, going back to Canada, I carry so much
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of that inspiration from them. Just seeing how they are, seeing
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how strong they are and just how they know so much Hamdullah,
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Hamdullah. I'm, I'm, I'm so blessed to have
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that. You know that makes me proud.
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It is our youth of our city like to say, you know, we have
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someone who who is your first time here is your first time
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reciting here. Yeah.
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To come in and to to witness this, the personification of
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this, you know, massive credit. Of course youth around the world
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is serving, but I always Rep London because London is is, you
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know, we say it's the Karbala in the West.
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Not just that, but I think there's a lot of talk about our
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generation and, you know, Gen. Z and how sometimes Gen.
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Z might be a little problematic or they're going down the wrong
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path. But when you see teens in the
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community, especially here in London, and you see how they're
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working so hard day and night and during these hey odds and
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they're, you know, organizing these majonas, there's some sort
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of ultimate non that, yeah, our youth are headed in a good
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direction. Yeah.
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You know what it is? I think I'll be honest.
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I say that Ali and I are privileged because we've grown
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up in very hosseini environments.
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We've grown up in, you know, said Ali's father, Ali Ahma was
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a scholar and of course, a leading scholar in the
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community. My family had had to love raised
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me in an environment which were I've been allowed to participate
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in and being, you know, in charge of things like you've
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said, projects and youth camps and events and inviting speakers
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and so on. However, I think one thing
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unanimously faced across all youth, especially in the Western
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world, is the battle with their Neffs, being able to to battle
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the distractions of the wider world.
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And I think this is something we face from a young age.
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We now live in a in a world where we're bombarded, we're
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sabotaged by misinformation, by distractions, by demons all
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around us. And for the youth, a lot of the
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time those come in the forms of pop culture, social media,
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television, YouTube, whatever it might be, gaming, it could be
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anything from a young age. And then as you grow older,
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those demons start to develop. Maybe they start to to to worsen
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they. Change because they start.
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I don't know if blossom's the right word.
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Yeah, but you know I. Mean yeah, like they, they yeah,
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I know what you mean though. Yeah, but they definitely get
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more. Definitely more visceral.
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Yeah, for sure. But yeah.
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And as you become older, it might be something else, You
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know, that people struggle with apathy and laziness for sisters
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there. You know, we had a lot of
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responses today from sisters who struggle anatomically.
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So at certain times of the month or for example, in the period of
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pregnancy or whatever it might be.
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So the challenges, new mothers, of course, the challenges for
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men, men and women are different.
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And I think generationally there are challenges.
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But no doubt people struggle with attention in Salah,
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understanding what Salah is and the importance of Salah being a
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standard, a compass in their life.
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So I think maybe to kick off sister, I know we, we exchanged
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dozens of topic ideas, but this is something you singled out.
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Why is it something that's important to you?
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I mean, because I feel like prayer is a lifelong struggle
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for a lot of people, regardless of how young or old you may be,
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even if you're just starting off at 8 or 9 years old or you're in
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your 50s or 60s. I think it's a constant
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struggle, that concentration, feeling like there's while
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you're praying that there's presence of the heart and just
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feeling like after I prayed, that was a good prayer.
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Some people don't always feel that every day and some people
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go on for several years praying and they never feel spiritual
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while praying. So I think there is a need to
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have that topic being discussed. Although, you know, sometimes we
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might pray and our prayer might not be a 10 out of 10 that
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night, but I think it needs to be talked about because these
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are reminders and inshallah, these podcasts are supposed to
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be reminders for us as well as the watchers and viewers.
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OK, Inshallah, let's talk about it.
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I mean, I'm going to ask you a question, sis and I, and I think
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Ahmed Maymak can speak on your behalf as well.
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And if you get with your permission.
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Yeah, of course. We've all had our times where we
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have like spiritual fatigue when it comes to Salah, and this can
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be all the way from our teenage years becoming, you know,
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starting a new family and now we're from below our fathers.
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We're busy, we run businesses and things like this.
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So at times we feel like, I'm not saying Salah is not a
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priority, but there are days sometimes it may become two or
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three days back-to-back where it does happen, where focus is not
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strictly on Salah. It's about OK, I need to do XYZ
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and then I pray rather than OK, I need to pray and do XYZ around
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my prayer. Is that something considered
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spiritual fatigue, or is it a choice we're making?
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I think it depends at times. At times, sometimes we go
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through spiritual low seasons. Yanni.
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I'm one to say that there are days that I wake up and I just
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feel like my spiritual battery is low, just like how we have
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that mental battery. I feel like my spiritual
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battery. Sometimes I wake up and I'm
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like, OK, I'm out of 50, so I'm not going to push myself to do
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every single thing. Like I'll do my prayers, I'll do
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the wajibaat, but I'll stay away that day from the mustahabaat
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because I don't have it in me to do that.
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Other days I wake up and I'm like, OK, I'm at an 80, I'm at a
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90. Let me go do the mustahabaat,
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the tacklebaat, the idea, do a little bit more.
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They care, test, be, but I don't push myself because sometimes it
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comes naturally. Like there are days where you
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just genuinely feel like, OK, I really need to pray and other
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days, no. It's just that spiritual low.
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Sometimes it is a choice. Sometimes we do live very busy
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lives, but those busy lives continue regardless and we're
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still going to have to pray regardless.
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So you're going to have to make a choice.
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Am I going to show up to God? Am I going to show up?
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How am I going to show up? Am I going to show up half
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asleep, I'm worrying about all the other things that are going
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on in life, or am I going to dedicate these 5-10 minutes to
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God? I'll, you know, just kind of
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calm down, relax. I'll concentrate on what I'm
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saying. So I think it's, I think it's a
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choice. And, but at the same time,
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sometimes we do go through spiritually low seasons and
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that's normal. I think a lot of people feel
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like God hates them or God doesn't love them or God's
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turning away from them when they're going through these
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spiritually low seasons. But I would say, although this
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sounds terrible, but sometimes the spiritually low seasons that
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we go through are the best seasons because those are the
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seasons that make us realize just how good the spiritually
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high seasons are. How?
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Lost. We are without a lot.
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Exactly. And the importance of just like
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having God in our lives, because I think for many youth growing
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up, from what I've heard, there's always been this
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portrayal that's painted that God is not a merciful God.
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That this God that we're worshipping is a God who's
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angry. And any, any slip, any fall, any
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mistake that we'll make, he's going to throw us right away in
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the depth of hell. And that he's always angry at
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us. But when you take a minute and
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you reflect and you realize, no, this, this Lord of ours is so
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kind and so merciful and so compassionate, and that prayer
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has been prescribed not to burden us, but to allow us to
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establish that connection with him and to humble us and to make
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us realize that we're the ones who are insignificant and we
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need him. So I think there needs to be a
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little bit of that clarity between.
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I think just to add to that as well, deconstruction of this
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topic is the hard part. Exactly.
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So like I had so many thoughts pop into my mind while you're
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speaking. So let me try and chronologize
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what I was thinking. You mentioned firstly about
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spiritual highs and lows and your spiritual battery.
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I agree with that. I think for one person a
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spiritual 80 is for someone else a spiritual 20 and vice versa.
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So for example, for you, when you're at a spiritual 80, you
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might do that A and the takabat and the mustahabat.
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For someone else that's a spiritual 200.
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Do you know what I mean? And for someone else, that is
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the low. So I think that's the first
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thing, to recognize that we're not homogeneous as a community.
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And I think as individuals, people go through these ups and
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downs. So for me at 15, my spiritual 20
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or 80 is different to maybe what it is now.
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Forget even generationally, but even what it was yesterday or
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last year or five years ago and probably what it will be in 5-10
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years time inshallah. That's the first thing.
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The second thing is, you know what you mentioned about prayer,
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like life will continue, but we still have to pray.
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Like we'll just have to at some point.
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I fully agree with that. But I do also think that there
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are people who don't see it like that.
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So I think there are people who put off the concept of prayer,
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not just the, the today's Boha or today's Maghalib or whatever
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it is. I think they'll, they'll put off
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the years of Boha or the years Maghalib or you know what I
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mean, the, the period of life they're in.
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I'll pray when I'm married or pray when I become a dad to set
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a good example, or pray when I get older because, you know, I
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feel more spiritual right now I'm studying.
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On I've heard I'll pray when I go to Hajj.
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Really. Yeah.
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Like, and I know this sounds cliche, but I think that's
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common. There are so many people who,
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like, they'll pray, they go to the mosque, they'll pray.
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Like, they have nothing against prayer.
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They like praying, but the routineness of prayer is the
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hard part. So for example, and I was
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speaking from experience, so earlier my earlier my kind of
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stage in my matter of, of Salah, I'd be one of those people.
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So I would pray and have no issue with praying, but I
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wouldn't enjoy it necessarily. I wouldn't look forward to it.
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It's just something that I do. I've seen it since birthright,
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but like it's not something I want really in my routine in
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school. I remember when I was in school,
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we were maybe 17, I moved to a new school and there were other
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guys from my school who I knew from the mosque.
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And we pushed to get a prayer room in the school.
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And we kind of made it a habit. We prayed jemar together, the
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Shia prayed Jemar together. And we kind of made a nice habit
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of it. Then that kind of prepared me
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when I went to university. Then we fought for the Shia
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rights in the prayer room. Huge scandal.
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Like, online they were throwing out.
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Yeah. And the bins, like.
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Yeah. Like.
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So you developed like it becomes part of your identity, you know,
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your core defence system. I need to defend my right to
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pray. But that comes with experience
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and exposure, I think. What would you say to people
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right now who? And I think most anyone who's
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tuning in and they're now whatever, 15 minutes or so into
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aftermath, they know that it's an important topic.
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People at home are probably like, yeah, I know, but I can't
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push myself. I know I want to pray, but I
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know I'm probably not going to wake up tomorrow morning for
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Fudger, for example. What would you say to them?
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I would say it takes discipline and that's the difficult part.
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I can only speak from my experience and from what I've
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realized from my struggles over the years with Salah, but I
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think for a minute it was all about discipline.
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Waking up for Fajr was one of the most difficult things,
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especially if you're staying up late, which I know we all do.
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And it, it's easy to, you know, keep scrolling until 23 AM and
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you got to wake up at what, 4 AM, 5:00 AM for Fajr.
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So I think for me, it was in the beginning, it was more so
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discipline. But like you said, I was praying
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because I had to, not because I wanted to.
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And there was that kind of internal battle.
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And I know a lot of youth probably go through that, but I
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realized that if I'm going to live until, let's say 607080, I
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don't want to continue. I don't want to continue praying
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this. I want to say dull prayer
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because I was praying and I didn't feel much, or I was
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praying and I didn't understand much and I was praying and I
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just didn't feel spiritual. Because we have a hadith that
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speak about, for example, the Prophet or even the Imam staying
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standing in prayer all night long.
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Or for example, Imam Ali who would stand in prayer and he
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would shake or say the Zaynab who on the 10th of Muharram, she
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still prays a lot too late. And I sit there and I read the
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hadith and I read the narrations and I'm like, I didn't go
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through half of what Zaynab did or say Zeynab went through.
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And yet I don't even have the motivation to get up and pray.
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So I think sometimes you got to sit with yourself and just talk
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to yourself for a minute and tell yourself, I don't want to
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continue praying this dull player prayer.
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I think for me, the real turning point was when I started
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learning about prayer in terms of, OK, what's the meaning of
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this when I'm saying Bismillah Rahman Rahim?
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Although it's so simple, what does Bismillah Rahman Rahim or
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even I used to teach in an Arabic school back in Windsor
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and I was teaching a course about Arabic, about prayer and
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we had a 12 year old in the class who I had asked what does
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Kulu allahu allahu. I had mean she said God is
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Sunday and I didn't know God is Sunday and I didn't know if I
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should laugh with the other students with her or she was
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being serious. I had she genuinely and for a
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minute I thought, should I laugh with you or should I stand in
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the corner and worry about how are you if they're going to and
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so. No, that's quite funny.
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Something that's so simple like Allahu, I had a lot of some.
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When you start to understand the meaning of what you're saying,
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the Salah automatic automatically is elevated,
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revolutionized right then and there.
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Like semi Allahu and Hamid did that Allah.
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Here's what I say. Or Allahu Akbar when you first
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start. I think I'll be, I'm going to be
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very like, I'm going to just be critical of yeah, if not of you
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more So what you're saying, I think, and this is not a cop
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out, but I think being Arab, being raised in a religious
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household makes a world of difference.
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So you guys, when you say allahu ahad, you know what it means
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without having to think what it means.
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So you could speak to a Christian Arab and they'll know
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what it means. Fair, right.
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Yeah. And I think immediately and
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automatically there's an advantage that I'm not saying
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that, you know, like you said, there's discipline.
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No, you're right. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm 30 in a few
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weeks. God help me.
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And you know, I'm still learning the Arabic language, I'm still
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trying my hardest. I hear Arabic everyday.
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You know, I'm surrounded by Arabic, my children speak
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Arabic, but I'm still getting there.
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And I think that that's an important thing firstly because
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I really feel like that. I remember one of my friends
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who's actually been on the podcast, he told me a few years
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ago, he says I'm trying to learn everything in the Salah and what
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it means because then it will help me with my focus and
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prayer. I try to consciously do that
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when I pray. And it's very difficult for
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someone who doesn't speak Arabic.
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That's the first thing. I think the second thing is,
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like I said earlier, the three of us and Hamdullah have been
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grown up in, you know, we've grown up in that environment.
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There are brothers and sisters at home who are reverse, for
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example. So Salah and as a concept is
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new. You know, there are people at
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home whose parents don't practice maybe, or who maybe are
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more liberal than their practice.
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So parents who don't wear hijab or youth who don't wear hijab,
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youth have been raised in a family which is Sunni and Shia.
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The parents are either and just I think that the context for
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them is really different than the context for us.
21:01
Does that make sense? No, it is, you know, kids and
21:03
youth who don't know what Salah is, They don't know what it
21:06
means. They're not grown up around it.
21:09
Hamdallah, we have, we've been to Majalis, we've been to Jamal,
21:11
we've been to all the environments which have like
21:13
ingrained it within us. But that development of love you
21:18
mentioned about this, like not wanting to pray the dull prayer
21:22
until your old age, right? So developing that love, that
21:25
matter of Salah is so important. There's one thing which I wanted
21:28
to mention. It's a hadith which we read
21:32
earlier today. If I can find it, the middle,
21:37
not minin one, if I can find it. Yeah.
21:42
OK, fine. So it says Bismillah Malhem.
21:45
Where are we whenever the commander of the faith of
21:47
Middlemark Mini and Ali Salaam begin to perform Waldo, his face
21:52
would change out of fear of a loss.
21:53
Panel to Allah also, that is a Middlemark mini and peace be
21:57
upon him. Entered into prayer.
21:59
He was as if he was was a fixed building or an upright column
22:03
that he did not move. He would sometimes bow or
22:05
prostrate and birds would land on him and no one else could
22:08
recount the prayer of the Messenger of God except Alib
22:11
Dalib and Alib Nad Hussein Alehim Saddam Imam Sajad Ali
22:16
Salaam, Amira Mahmanin and Salallah Salah Salem they all
22:20
had. And of course, all the Emma name
22:21
was Saddam, but they were all noted specifically for their
22:25
level of conviction in their prayer and in their Lord and
22:29
their level of spirituality. Because they knew who the.
22:31
They knew who. Was about to occur.
22:34
They know that meetings. But have you heard this thing
22:35
say, do you know that thing? Which is like when you're
22:38
praying, you're having a conversation with the last point
22:40
on that when you read the Quran, he's having it with you.
22:42
What do you reckon? I like, I don't disagree and
22:46
especially I think even you, your references reference semi
22:49
Allahm and things like this during prayer.
22:52
This is something I've been doing in the last few years and
22:54
I think since the beginning of the podcast, since after market
22:57
initiated was that we had the conversation.
23:01
I can't remember the which brother he was like just just
23:04
listen Panda on what you're saying, Reflect on the words
23:07
that you are uttering during Salah.
23:08
And I went and done that and I do that until today that when I
23:11
pray at Hamden, when I pray now, since then that I'm not just
23:16
saying the words. No, no, I know what I'm saying.
23:19
So for example, when I say Allahu Akbar, I know Allahu when
23:24
I when I say this picture on the sun, first of all, the Torhid of
23:32
Allah gives you marathon Allah, it gives you some belief and
23:35
you're in of your existence of life.
23:37
You are nothing without Allah and it's an opportunity.
23:41
I, you mentioned an example of families and when you were
23:44
saying that the phone had, if I can add to this, and inshallah
23:47
the brother that gives me a what mission, his name?
23:50
I knew a person, Muhammad. I was 17 or 18 years old here
23:55
and I've known this brother for about 4-5 years, 4-5 years.
23:59
I've never seen him pray never. So when they asked him, I was
24:04
like, you know, let's pray like he only prayed with Jemaah, but
24:08
he'd never prayed on his own. And I was like, you know what,
24:12
let's pray, Let's let's get to pray.
24:14
And he messaged me later and he was like my dad, my dad, his dad
24:22
has never taught him how to pray.
24:26
I was shocked that we have families.
24:28
She have families. Love is a very little bait who
24:30
attend Majalis and they serve majalis raising children without
24:35
teaching them how to pray. And Handel, I was blessed to
24:38
help him on that journey. But for me, that was like, where
24:43
are our our elders? What are you doing our
24:45
community, What are we doing? And the worst thing about it is
24:48
OK, if he didn't know how to pray, why was he shy to ask
24:52
someone to teach him how to pray?
24:54
Why was there a broken relationship with him and his
24:57
father? You know, as as fathers handle
24:59
our fathers now we know first we have to make ourself ready and
25:06
then teach ourselves our new ones.
25:08
The I was so shocked that I was thinking to myself we live in a
25:13
society where fathers don't care about their children and I know
25:17
of many families. May Allah bless all these
25:19
families and guide them and protect them on the Zenish Allah
25:22
where a conversation I had with a father once Ahmed and he said
25:27
MD may finally not that I'm here to come and tell them to get up
25:31
and pray. Sometimes I need reminders
25:32
myself at that age right and then I was like, OK, tell them
25:36
to get up and pray or show them to pray.
25:37
He goes no what you tell him. Why should I tell him?
25:41
Is it because the son doesn't respect a dad?
25:43
Or no, he just doesn't. He's not bothered, He doesn't
25:46
care. I'm being very real.
25:48
Like we have children that grow up, and I think this is a result
25:52
of how it is at home during the early years of them growing up
25:55
is that they don't see love for Salah.
25:57
They don't see much of, for example, OK, now is the time for
26:00
Salah. You got to go lay that prey,
26:03
Emma. You got to prepare yourself,
26:05
even like the way we do sometimes we just splash the
26:08
woods and we go, no, there is a process.
26:11
Sister, before you, sorry, sorry before you, before you
26:14
interject, if I can ask you what are things that has increased
26:17
your personal love for soil? So for example, for me, things
26:21
that improve and increase, you know, and shadow Milan, what do
26:24
we do? We like beautify the house.
26:25
Everything looks great and smells good and for me that's
26:28
helped. So like a nice sajada as as as
26:31
simple as I am, I like these simple things.
26:34
Yes, a nice sajada, nice talk about.
26:36
I like to listen to a nice Avan or do Avan out loud in my own
26:40
comfort of my home. Sometimes when I pray Gemma with
26:43
my wife, it makes me focus on it more.
26:45
If my kids are praying with me, I think okay, I need to set a
26:47
good example and pray. So is that maybe is a simplistic
26:51
understanding and approach us a lot.
26:53
But I think for someone who's struggling at home, if you want
26:55
to develop a love, like a relationship of love, and I
26:58
speak to myself first and foremost, start with that.
27:00
So find ways to make it more enjoyable.
27:03
Maybe some people put utter or wood on themselves before
27:06
because you know, your mind just triggers the thoughts of
27:09
spirituality when you enter prayer, things like that,
27:12
focusing on your wood law. The wood law is the how many a
27:15
hadith do we have? And I've just mentioned one
27:17
about Woodall being the beginning of the prayer in a
27:20
metaphorical sense. So yeah, what what what has
27:23
worked for you? Is there something which is
27:25
instilled that love for you and your heart?
27:28
I would say the more that I invested in my prayer, the
27:31
better and the more elevated my prayer became.
27:34
So something as simple as, you know, investing in a nice prayer
27:37
mat, which there's so many businesses now who are selling
27:40
the overpriced. Just like, for example, if you
27:43
were to go to the gym, you'd buy a nice fit, as they say, some
27:48
nice shoes, a nice gym bag, and the same thing.
27:52
Yeah. And the same thing you should do
27:54
for your Salah. A nice prayer, Matt, a nice
27:56
child wearing the best of your clothes.
27:58
Sometimes I'm guilty of this. I'll put the nicest clothes the
28:01
back of my closet whenever there's an event, not knowing
28:03
that I should probably wear it when I'm meeting with my
28:06
creator. So something as simple as that.
28:10
The perfume that you mentioned, of course.
28:12
But I think personally, for me, what elevated my Salah and what
28:16
made me love prayer even more was just understanding.
28:19
Understanding what I was saying because we could pray five times
28:24
a day and still not feel it. It becomes very mechanical, very
28:29
robotic, but only when you understand what you're saying.
28:32
And that's why I will always emphasize for the youth is
28:35
understand what you're saying. Even if you have to read a book
28:38
or take a course or just especially if you're an Arabic
28:41
speaker, just understand Sami, Allahu and Hamidah.
28:44
What does that mean? Allahu Akbar?
28:46
Why do I start with Allahu Akbar?
28:48
Because God's greater than everything and everything that
28:50
I'm going through is to put to be put behind me when I'm
28:54
starting this prayer or even the sujood.
28:57
We have narrations from immutable minion that speak
28:59
about when you go down into frustration, that means one
29:02
thing. When you go back up, that means
29:03
another and you So just taking that, that, you know,
29:08
responsibility upon yourself because our parents may not
29:11
always do the job right. We, I think a lot of my friends,
29:17
perhaps they grew up watching their parents pray, but
29:21
sometimes it's a small things like you hear, I have to go
29:23
pray, not I need to go pray or I want to go pray.
29:27
Or when they're doing their, they're rushing through it.
29:29
And even as a child, you see that.
29:31
I mean, for example, the mother, she might be busy in the kitchen
29:35
and she notices the time of Salah comes.
29:37
Well, I can't turn off the kitchen burner.
29:38
I'm going to have to pray really quick.
29:40
So I think we have to take it upon ourselves.
29:44
And sometimes we can't always blame the community.
29:46
And you can have 100 different speakers coming in and speaking
29:49
about the importance of Salah, but that can only do so much.
29:53
You have to take it upon yourself.
29:55
And I, yeah. And I grew up in Majidas and
29:57
Hamdullah. I grew up with parents who took
29:59
Salah very seriously. My dad has always been an
30:02
inspiration when it comes to his prayer.
30:03
He takes his prayer very, very, very seriously.
30:08
But at the same time, even if you grow up in that environment,
30:11
you're going to have to take it upon yourself because you can
30:14
grow up in the best of environments.
30:15
But if you don't take it upon yourself to go in and do the
30:19
research and invest yourself, no one's going to do that for you.
30:22
You know what I mean? And Hamdullah, my mom taught me,
30:25
my dad taught me, but that can only go so far, you know what I
30:29
mean? So if you take classes, if you
30:31
read books, if you even if you watch short clips of how to
30:35
pray, something as simple as that, I think that always has
30:39
elevated my Salah and that continues to elevate my Salah
30:42
Hamdullah. Oh amazing, We Allah protect
30:44
your parents for you. And you know, you have the
30:46
example of there's clips available to watch online and I
30:49
and I I and that's something that's helped a lot of people
30:52
correcting the Bobo pronunciation.
30:54
So this is this is a good recommendation you gave.
30:57
I want to add something to this conversation actually, and it's
30:59
something that I believe it's one of the the core reasons why
31:03
people struggle with Salah is that they don't understand it as
31:06
it's, they just see as you have to, but they don't see it as
31:10
it's if you choose not to, you are openly disobeying a loss
31:15
upon the water Allah. And we know, for example, we've
31:18
heard Daniel Handler, we've, like you say, we've grown up in
31:20
these environments and we know we're from the Jafari school of
31:23
thought. Imam Jafra Sadak, he says the
31:26
Salah is the barometer between Iman and kafir, between belief
31:31
and disbelief. So we're not saying those who
31:32
don't pray Akufar, but the there's a, there's an emphasis
31:35
on the reasons to pray, even to an extent.
31:38
Ahmed, there was a hadith that I read.
31:42
Imam, Imam Jafar Assadiq was asked a question, is prayer
31:49
neglecting prayers more sinful or fornication?
31:54
What did the Imam say? The Imam said neglecting praise
31:57
and the guy was confused like Imam how explained and Imam
32:00
Jaffa Assad that he says because committing sins such as
32:04
fornication in this example, that was that of desire.
32:08
Not praying is a choice. You are choosing not to pray.
32:12
And so I think I think if we can come to the court like even it's
32:16
like Salah, I still hate. Let's let's be honest.
32:19
Let me add another hadith which reminded me of this.
32:21
I'm not sure which of them. My name was Salaam, said it.
32:24
But our Wasila will not be there for one who takes his prayers
32:28
like, you know and you know, we call ourselves Hosseini and we
32:33
say yeah, I'll beat my chest for the imam, but I'll be Hunter.
32:37
Like we'll go. We know what I mean.
32:39
We'll we'll be all in. How many videos?
32:42
Let me ask your sister, on an average year, how many videos do
32:45
you see on average of Hajis stirring the ghetto?
32:49
Yeah, Hidma. Right.
32:51
Like climbing ladders, rolling car.
32:53
It's like the the level of but I'm saying people will go to the
32:58
ends of the world to serve a Barbula Ali Salam as they
33:01
should. Like this is court.
33:02
This is, you know, identity, our DNA.
33:04
But like, what's the point if the imams Salaam have told us
33:09
that we will not do anything for you?
33:11
Stir as much claim as you want. We're not going to be there for
33:14
you if you take your prayers lightly.
33:15
And that's why. You're worrying, bro.
33:17
It scares me. Yeah.
33:18
That's what it should lose. It scares.
33:20
Me saying those who don't pray, those who take care lightly.
33:25
It's even for the ones who do pray but don't give attention.
33:29
Like that's the way I kind of see it.
33:32
Like, you know, we, we, we will do Latham and we'll think of
33:36
we'll cry when we hear beautiful poetry.
33:38
We'll cry when we hear Mossaheb and all of these things.
33:42
It does not mean anything. And I don't want to say this,
33:46
but I'm saying that of course we know about Abdullah is the ark
33:48
of salvation, the beacon of guidance.
33:51
But what it's hypocritical for me to do all of that, to want to
33:56
change the world. If like in the Quran, Allah says
33:59
you cannot can change the condition of society until you
34:01
change yourselves, what is the point?
34:03
Like that is for me the most striking thing when I think of
34:06
that on a day-to-day basis. Like, and you have to balance
34:10
out, you have to have, you have to have the carrot in the stick,
34:14
you know, the carrot in the stick, right?
34:16
You have to have the incentive and the disincentive, right.
34:19
So people understand the beauty and the reward of praying, but
34:22
also the reckoning that comes if you don't.
34:25
So. Yeah.
34:26
I would say you got to choose your heart.
34:28
You have to choose your heart in life.
34:29
Allah, yeah. I mean, if you don't want to
34:32
pray, you're choosing your own heart, that you're ruining your
34:37
relationship with God essentially in this world and
34:40
you're ruining your hereafter, which I hate to go there because
34:42
I always say don't think of heaven or hell.
34:45
But in all honesty, it does come down to that.
34:48
Yeah, that. Is the only guarantee, and
34:50
that's why we're. Right.
34:51
But then when you choose to pray, you're also choosing some
34:54
difficulty that comes with it when it comes to, for example,
34:58
work. I'm going to have to sometimes
35:00
for some youth, they don't want to tell their manager that I've
35:03
got to take 5 minutes out to go pray or I've got to pray in
35:08
front of a bunch of mixed Muslim groups and I'm the only Shia
35:12
with a turbo. So it you've got to choose your
35:15
hard, but at the same time, Yanni, I would say just invest
35:20
in your relationship with God. Because I, I genuinely think,
35:23
and I grew up with a lot of you thinking that if you don't pray,
35:26
God's going to throw you in the depths of hell, which to a
35:28
certain extent, to a certain to a certain extent, yeah.
35:31
But we also have to rewire our mind when it comes to prayer and
35:36
especially when it comes to God because God's a lot more
35:38
merciful than we could ever imagine.
35:40
And if they say that God is more merciful than our own mothers
35:43
and just, you can't even fathom that mercy.
35:46
So I think we have to rewire our mind when it comes to when it
35:50
comes to pray, when it comes to our relationship with God.
35:53
But like I said, you have to choose your heart.
35:55
If you're choosing not to pray, you're choosing a certain level
35:58
of difficulty that you're going to have to deal with.
36:00
And if, when you're choosing to pray, you're also choosing a
36:02
certain level of difficulty that you're going to have to deal
36:04
with. But it's, it's, it's difficult.
36:08
And especially with with everything that's going on
36:11
around the world. Why is it difficult?
36:14
Because I would say personally from my own experiences and what
36:18
I've heard is that there's no flavor because it becomes so
36:22
mechanical and it becomes so robotic.
36:24
For example, fasting comes, Ramavan comes one once a month,
36:28
once a year, right? So you get that.
36:32
I would say that spiritual high. Yeah, is a yearning for.
36:35
It yeah, there's that yearning for it.
36:36
And, and the other thing is that, you know, some people
36:38
might say, well, for Ramadan, we're meeting up with our
36:41
friends. We're going to the Husseini
36:43
after, you know, the vibes. Of just your brotherhood.
36:46
But with Salah there isn't much in terms.
36:49
Of lives, just to add to it as well, if I and I agree with
36:52
this, the congregation of Salah of, of Psalm or fasting or Siam
36:57
is it adds to the apparent beauty of it, right?
36:59
The apparent. And I use that word carefully
37:01
because in Ramadan you have 30 nights which are different.
37:04
Everyone's in this together. We're starting at the same time,
37:07
we're stopping at the same time. You have many different meals
37:10
are adorned upon us and are in front of us.
37:12
So every day feels like a new beautiful, hard journey, but
37:15
it's short lived enough to enjoy it by the end and to forget it
37:18
by the start of the next, if that makes sense.
37:20
So with Shahid Al Mahvan, you're on this journey as a group,
37:23
we're all heading towards Alas, Pantala in the same motion at
37:26
the same time. And then, for example, with with
37:31
with Salah, you're on your own. It's quite literally a personal
37:34
journey. So you could be driving from
37:36
London to Manchester and you know, it's, it's a 5 hour
37:41
journey and you know, there are certain times of the year that
37:44
say winter, where in that five hours you go from before the to
37:48
quite literally after Maharan. And you're literally passing the
37:50
Bahar Asana Maharan and you're approaching Asia.
37:53
We've passed Asia in that one car journey.
37:55
And you're telling me you're going to stop, you know, twice
37:57
at the minimum to pray. I'm saying that these are things
38:01
which make it difficult for people, right?
38:04
So I'm going to throw, if you don't mind towards this kind of
38:06
like last segment of the episode, I'm going to throw
38:09
scenarios or circumstances towards you or or reasons why
38:13
people have said we've had hundreds and hundreds of
38:16
responses why they can't pray. And I want you to address them
38:20
at home as if someone is asking you these themselves was telling
38:23
you the confessing to you as their counsellor or their
38:27
advisor or whatever it might be spiritual mentor someone who a
38:31
reason why someone can't pray. The first one is sleep and and
38:37
struggling to wake up for salata fungal.
38:40
I can't because I'm lazy or I I I prefer to sleep.
38:44
Salata had them in a knob. Do you?
38:46
Want me to honest? I could be honest but it might
38:49
be harsh. Honestly, the truth hurts.
38:52
Set a timer, go to sleep early, stop scrolling on the phone.
38:55
That's that sounds so I'm sorry, but it sometimes it's as simple
38:59
as it's it. It honestly is.
39:00
And I know you want to scroll for another few hours and we all
39:03
fall into that trap, but you just got to prioritize what you
39:05
have to prioritize. Set the timer, go to sleep, put
39:09
the phone down and you'll wake up for Fedja.
39:12
There are even there are supplications and there are
39:15
specific verses of the Quran that you can recite to wake up
39:18
early. I've heard this by.
39:19
The yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it works do.
39:22
You know what I've heard about something my mom told me I love,
39:24
bless her years ago, like when I was young, make the near before
39:28
you sleep to wake up and you'll never not wake up.
39:31
And so such a I'm like, I'll just tell myself my brain, yeah,
39:35
wake up. But it does work, by the way,
39:37
like, and you get to that point like my mother or like there are
39:41
others who they don't need alarm clocks.
39:43
They'll wake up like their mind just wakes them up.
39:45
You think a minimal million had an alarm clock?
39:47
Do you know what I mean? I'm just quite literally saying
39:49
like these, these are these are our infallibles who their mind,
39:53
their body and their soul are yearning for solar.
39:55
They're yearning for it. So they will not waste the
39:57
opportunity to pray. Oh, we'll walk like that in the
40:00
right opportunity immediately when they can.
40:02
OK, I said, you've got another one.
40:04
I've got a few. OK, I'm going to focus this one
40:09
on a sister, if that's if that's OK As is, I'm on a sister asking
40:12
this question because it does happen.
40:14
And I think it's very common, especially at school
40:16
universities in the workplace, is that they don't have a
40:18
suitable place to do so. They choose to say, you know
40:20
what, because I'm not comfortable doing with all in
40:23
the workplace on the educational setting in front of other people
40:27
all the way and pray at cover at home.
40:29
Why is that wrong and how do you overcome that?
40:32
That's a lot of questions. That come similar.
40:33
It is difficult because I was in high school online.
40:40
I was in high school online for four years, so I was in the
40:42
comfort of my own home. So a lot came I'm putting away
40:45
that laptop. Whoever's teaching, I'm telling
40:47
that I'm going to go pray. But with university, it's 1-2 in
40:53
the afternoon. Salah starts.
40:54
I can't get out of that lecture or my lecture is during after
40:59
Salah. And I do understand where
41:02
they're coming from that the space, it might be
41:04
uncomfortable. You got to take off your head
41:06
job. You've got to and it and it, it
41:08
is a big hassle, especially in the colder seasons.
41:11
And it I would say it just takes discipline.
41:14
Discipline. I think for me, honestly,
41:17
there's that guilt of not praying.
41:19
And there's this one line that Sheikh Al Meyahi spoke about.
41:23
He says something along the lines of more adminiszara.
41:27
And that has stuck with me with every little possible thing that
41:34
anything that I do, the one thing that stops me is more
41:36
adminiszara. Wouldn't it?
41:39
Wouldn't that disappoint? So yeah.
41:41
So now I'm like, I can't be in this class or for example, I'd
41:48
rather go through an embarrassment than disappointing
41:50
Fatimas. But I understand that not
41:51
everyone thinks that way. But sometimes you just got to
41:53
understand that at the end of the day, if Fatima Tzahat was
41:57
here or Imam Hussein was Imam Hussein, who stopped the entire
42:00
battle or delayed the entire battle or because of Salah, So
42:04
what does that have to? We can't delay it just for a few
42:06
minutes. I know it's uncomfortable and
42:08
you have a right to be uncomfortable, but at the same
42:12
time, God sees all of that struggle.
42:15
Can I just add to that as well something which works?
42:18
Especially if it's a workplace or university.
42:21
Don't be shy to ask a person of authority for a space.
42:25
Yeah. So in our workplace we have.
42:29
It's a disabled bathroom basically, but no one knows the
42:33
code in the whole building except me, my brother, my father
42:36
and one of my colleagues to Shia and one of the other brothers in
42:40
another company who's a Shia and Al Hamdallah.
42:43
We're the only guys who have access.
42:44
So we know there's this is level of pahada there as well and it's
42:48
comfortable, you know, we can book a private room.
42:50
Obviously it depends. School is very difficult.
42:53
A lot of schools nowadays in the Western world, especially due to
42:58
law, have, you know, freedom of religious belief and expression
43:01
of religious belief. And you have the right to go and
43:04
ask for a space to pray. If not a prayer room, go and
43:07
ask. And a lot of the time these
43:09
rooms will have a designated washing area or whatever.
43:13
So yeah, I fully agree. I think that's a good one.
43:15
I'm going to ask you another one.
43:17
This is maybe more tricky for you as someone who's a bit
43:21
younger, but specifically parents.
43:23
And we had a lot of requests from mothers who have young
43:29
children. A lot of people said if someone
43:31
could take my kids for a couple hours, if someone could, you
43:33
know, distract the kids, this that will have peace in mind,
43:36
Peace of Mind and and opportunity to pray.
43:39
I get that as a father of two young children.
43:43
But what would your response to that be?
43:45
In terms of them delaying their solar or not even praying at.
43:47
All for someone who's struggling for that reason.
43:49
How would you console them? It's, it's difficult not being a
43:54
mother, but my sister is a mother and I understand the
43:57
struggle because she went through a period of time where
44:00
when her daughter was young, she felt so guilty for not having to
44:04
pray on time. And even when she prayed, she
44:06
was thinking, is my toddler going to run down the stairs or
44:08
so I, I, I get it. And it is difficult.
44:13
I could only imagine how difficult it is as a mother,
44:16
especially with mothers, because the mothers, most of the time
44:18
the mothers are with the children.
44:20
Yeah, they are. I think again, you got to choose
44:26
your heart if you prioritize it. I know that doesn't that might
44:29
not sound. Helpful to do your best.
44:31
Yeah, yeah. Even if that means putting the
44:33
child right in front of you. Let them do whatever they need
44:35
to do. And you have to pray, you know,
44:37
And it might not be the most fulfilling prayer, but again,
44:40
God does see that struggle. And that's the beauty of all of
44:42
it, that regardless if you're struggling or you're not, God
44:45
sees all of that and He'll reward you accordingly.
44:48
Oh, there's reward in that struggle.
44:49
May Allah bless our sisters, our mothers.
44:53
There's I think this is important to mention and I think
44:55
there was a lot that came in regarding this, which is I'm
44:59
praying, but I feel distracted. I'm praying while focusing on
45:04
other things and, for example, you know, saying Allahu Akbar
45:07
and we're thinking about, OK, we need to pay that bill.
45:09
We need to know respond to that e-mail to that work colleague
45:12
and things like this. How do we get away from that
45:14
state? You know, it's easy to say, just
45:16
focus on the words you're reciting.
45:18
Is it like you have to mentally prepare yourself before the
45:22
Salah time? Because normally we see a Salah,
45:24
then we get prepared. Yeah.
45:25
But I think it has to start earlier.
45:27
Starts before. I would say it starts before as
45:29
well. I think it's all in how you
45:31
approach it and your attitude. And I think even what you're
45:35
doing before, for me personally, right before Salah, if I'm on my
45:39
phone, I get over stimulated to the point where I go and
45:42
approach Salah and I'm like, what was that?
45:45
What was that real about? That or the LA to me, sometimes
45:48
that happens way too much where I'm praying, I'm praying and I
45:51
I'm like, I should be probably paying attention, but the LA to
45:53
me in the background that I heard 20 minutes ago is still in
45:56
my mind. So you got to it.
45:59
Yeah, it you've got to figure out what works for you, and
46:03
everyone is different. For some people, they'll just go
46:07
alone in a quiet room. And that's me personally.
46:10
The minute it hits like 20 minutes before so long, I'm like
46:12
OK. Silence really helps.
46:14
As well. Yeah, I need to be alone, even
46:16
if that means just sitting alone and just doing Vika before you
46:20
start, OK Or you're doing your beforehand.
46:23
And like I said, it's all about the attitude, even it's changing
46:25
the small things like I have to go, no, I want to go pray
46:29
because you're rewiring your mind and that mental state when
46:32
you walk in it makes a big difference.
46:33
Couple things which which have helped me over the years as
46:35
well. And this is at times where I'm
46:39
praying well as as like a trend. And obviously I'm not always in
46:43
that zone and I wish I can be more, but I've done in a karma
46:47
before you start. Like I started doing that before
46:50
every sell out quite late, but for me quite late, which is in
46:52
my 20s, early 20s, late mid 20s actually.
46:56
And then when I started that, I made life a lot easier for me
46:58
because that helped me zone in. That's the first thing.
47:02
Just be hard. Fatim Sahara Salaam alayhi live
47:05
without bro like that's a that's a must, a must, a must, a must.
47:09
And by the way, we grew up in the community, which obviously
47:12
uses fingers as well. I'm the one guy in the mosque
47:14
doesn't have to do that. So I worked out myself.
47:17
So I've done divisibles of three, if you're good at math.
47:19
So I do 333 and then I, I, in my mind, I'm like that's nine and
47:24
then I do 273034. And then so I've got my own
47:28
mechanism there. But you developed like a, a sort
47:30
of chemistry with your Salah. So you know, like this is my
47:33
routine. This is what I like to do.
47:35
This is where I like to do it. It becomes something personal
47:38
for you. It's your thing.
47:40
No one can interfere. It's you and God, nothing can
47:43
get in the way. She saw what I mean.
47:45
And I think once you get into that, you're like, I can't now
47:48
live without it. You know, you ask someone who
47:50
goes to the gym five days a week or whatever, why do you go to
47:54
the gym? That's for me.
47:55
It's my time, mental health, body.
47:57
There's like my uplift, my well-being, right?
48:00
You ask someone who reads books before they sleep, say I do it
48:03
for me. self-care. We live in a world which
48:06
prioritizes self-care in the most hedonistic ways.
48:09
But when it when it comes to loving Allah and putting on wise
48:13
slam, so important because you're putting something before
48:15
yourself as your Lord, your creator, when you're
48:18
prioritizing your Lord, a last panel to Allah, Malik and Mulk
48:22
before yourself, everything else as secretary, including
48:25
yourself. And I think that's what Salah
48:27
does. He teaches you to know your
48:29
place. Your place is secondary.
48:32
You're not important. However, your place is that you
48:34
still feel like you're the only creation Allah spent Allah made.
48:38
So in that zone in Salah, despite there being, you know,
48:42
quintillion numbers of, of occurrences and events happening
48:46
around you, which allies also simultaneously focusing on you
48:50
feel like in that moment, a lie is only focusing on you and
48:53
you're the only one focusing on Allah.
48:55
That's the beauty of Salah that you have that one to one direct,
48:58
uninterrupted connection and signal with your Lord, your
49:01
creator, and you feel like nothing else in the world
49:04
matters. So I think that's something
49:05
which has helped me at least. And I think these are really
49:09
good tips for sure. A last one for me.
49:14
If there is something that you could maybe encourage community
49:19
leaders, centers, leaders of organizations to do more of,
49:25
whether that's speaking more about this topic, changing
49:28
something in our centers, something as a youth, both as
49:31
someone who's been, you know, through the struggles and may
49:34
still do as well, and also someone who addresses
49:36
communities around the world. What would that piece of advice
49:39
be? What I've noticed is a big hit
49:42
with a lot of communities is those workshops or their
49:44
seminars. Those ones have been a big hit
49:47
because you can address all you want in a lecture, but sometimes
49:51
half of the crowd isn't even listening.
49:53
To be honest, that's half of them are scrolling on the phone,
49:56
on their phones. Other of them, some of them are
49:58
staring off into space, which is normal, but you can only address
50:01
so much in 40 minutes, in 45 minutes.
50:04
And this is the first Mahadam where I've been giving 4045
50:07
minute lectures and I go through the topic and I'm like, I could
50:10
have spoken about 20 other points and I and I, I'm over the
50:16
time limit, I'm 4045 minutes in. So lectures can only do so much,
50:21
but I think if you take a more engaging approach, especially
50:25
when it comes to youth workshops, seminars, short
50:29
courses, especially if you bring in one of those big speakers
50:32
that everyone you know kind of loves.
50:35
That's what they did. With you, right?
50:37
You're a big speaker. I want to see a big speaker.
50:39
I don't think up there you, you create kind of that FOMO, that
50:45
fear of missing out, that someone's coming to town.
50:48
They're going to be giving these classes just for a few days.
50:51
You guys can chill after and there's refreshments and snacks
50:55
that'll bring people in. And I think as community
50:58
leaders, sometimes you got to put your foot down and bring
51:02
those. Even though sometimes donations
51:04
might be tight or it might be difficult.
51:06
We need to invest, especially when it comes to because prayer
51:09
really does change you when you understand the very purpose of
51:13
prayer and when you pray, I would say a spiritually high
51:16
prayer, it really does change you internally and then it
51:19
starts to create a domino effect in the community.
51:22
I. Sent You Beautiful beautiful.
51:26
Beautiful. Yeah, Really, really beautiful
51:27
points. I think there's a lot, I feel
51:29
like, you know, we have to work on a lot.
51:33
And it's ironic that now as we're finishing, so a lot of
51:35
time is upon us. So I think it's a good time to
51:36
stop. However, Last question, two or
51:39
three last questions. I understand you are an after
51:44
market viewer as well as now a guest.
51:49
So thank you. Obviously that means a lot to
51:50
us. As I mentioned to you before the
51:51
podcast that you know, we've been able to play hopefully a
51:53
small role in your community work.
51:56
Is there any specific episodes which stand out?
52:00
Any conversations which you remember?
52:02
Anything which you really like about the podcast?
52:04
I would say I think one of my favourites.
52:08
That has always stood out to me. Was there was an episode that
52:11
you guys did about humility? I think you guys did it with
52:14
Yasser. It might have been right.
52:17
Yeah, the very beginning. Yeah, yeah.
52:21
And that. One was one of my favourites and
52:23
he was flying through that topic.
52:24
It was a nice yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
52:29
That one was a while. Back, yeah.
52:31
Yeah, yeah. I think the first season a
52:33
friend not mistaken, you guys brought in Maria Maheli.
52:38
That was very early on, one of the first.
52:40
Episodes, one of the first episodes episode and I was in
52:42
because I've, I've always been a fan of her work, seeing what she
52:45
does around the community, but also to have a female obviously.
52:50
And I think there's a need for that and how she was speaking
52:52
about female role models and mentors and things along those
52:55
lines. And I think those were the 2
52:57
episodes that stuck out for me. That's very nice because we
52:59
usually get like more or less we hear the same names when people
53:05
say, well, my favorite episode was with this share or that
53:08
share. And you know, those episodes we
53:10
do 2% of talking, for example, in 1% each.
53:14
No, but like Mashallah we have, we've had an abundance.
53:17
So thank you so much say. I think you've been amazing.
53:21
You've given so much gem, so much treasures.
53:23
I think that even young children, adults, wherever we
53:27
are struggling now, a General Salah, there's always something
53:29
that we can learn from. But I would say it's one thing
53:31
to our listeners at home. If you know someone who's
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Scratch. Thank you so much sister.
53:43
Now God bless you always and inshallah Granny Mortal feel and
53:46
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53:49
you again on after Magleb. And yeah, thank you so much.
53:53
Thank you. Thank you.
53:54
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