Latest / Elon Musk Podcast / Billionaires are following Elon Musk out of California
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- 1:16Larry Page, who's the Co founder of Google, has discussed leaving
- 1:20California by the end of this year.
- 1:22Peter Thiel, the venture capitalist who Co founded P Pal
- 1:25and Palantir, is exploring moving his investment firm to
- 1:28another state. Both men are responding to the
- 1:31same thing. A proposed ballot measure that
- 1:34would tax California billionaires 5% of their total
- 1:37wealth. It's not 5% of their income.
- 1:40That's 5% of everything that they own.
- 1:43For Page, whose net worth is estimated at $250 billion, the
- 1:48tax bill could exceed 12 billion.
- 1:50For teal, worth around 27.5 billion, the bill would top $1.2
- 1:56billion. The measure has not even
- 1:59qualified for the ballot yet, and billionaires are already
- 2:03filing paperwork to incorporate in Florida.
- 2:05And what happens when a state tries to tax the people who can
- 2:09most easily leave? They have the resources.
- 2:12They can do whatever they want. And the answer involves a
- 2:15healthcare union, federal budget cuts, a Christmas party themed
- 2:19around the American Revolution and a debate that has tech
- 2:22founders calling this an organized seizure of private
- 2:25property. The measure could raise $100
- 2:27billion from about 200 people. Governor Gavin Newsom has
- 2:32already come out against it. So have some of the most
- 2:34prominent names in Silicon Valley, and we'll get right into
- 2:38that after this very short break.
- 2:42California is home to more billionaires than any other
- 2:45state in the country, about 200 to 250 of them, depending on how
- 2:49you count them and the proposed tax targets.
- 2:52All of them. In October of 2025, the
- 2:54healthcare Workers Union called SEIU United Healthcare Workers W
- 2:59filed paperwork to place the California Billionaire Tax Act
- 3:02on the November 2026 ballot. Now the union says federal
- 3:07health care cuts under the One Big Beautiful Bill Act will
- 3:10strip roughly $100 billion from California healthcare over the
- 3:14next five years. Now the wealth tax is their
- 3:18answer to that. They're going to get that money
- 3:19back. The mechanics are very
- 3:21straightforward. Any California resident with a
- 3:24net worth exceeding a billion dollars would pay a one time tax
- 3:28equal to 5% of their total. Assets included stocks, bonds,
- 3:31business interests, intellectual property, artwork, anything of
- 3:35value except real estate held directly, pensions in retirement
- 3:39accounts up to $10 million. The tax would apply to wealth
- 3:44held as of December 31st, 2026. And the catch is residency.
- 3:49If you were a California resident on January 1st, 2026,
- 3:53you owe the tax even if you leave before the measure passes.
- 3:57That makes this retroactive. The ballot initiative would not
- 4:00be voted on until November of 2026, and by then the residency
- 4:04cut off would already be about 10 months in the past.
- 4:08Now. The retroactive structure is why
- 4:11some billionaires are moving right now, not waiting to see if
- 4:14the measure qualifies or passes. In mid-december, 3 limited
- 4:18liability companies associated with Larry Page filed documents
- 4:21to incorporate in Florida. It's a standard early step for
- 4:24someone establishing residency in a new state.
- 4:27Page has been a long time residence of Palo Alto.
- 4:31Peter Thiel owns a home in the Hollywood Hills and runs Thiel
- 4:34Capital out of LA. According to the New York Times,
- 4:37He has explored opening an office at another state and
- 4:40spending more time outside of California.
- 4:42And earlier this month, Peter Thiel hosted a Christmas party
- 4:45at his Hollywood Hills mansion. The theme was all things
- 4:49Britain, the country American revolutionaries revolted against
- 4:53in 1975. Axor After Taxation Now guests
- 4:58reportedly discussed the implications of the proposed
- 5:01ballot measure at that party. Now, the union backing the
- 5:04measure says the revenue was split 90% to healthcare programs
- 5:08and 10% to K through 12 education and food assistance.
- 5:12Dave Reagan, president of SEIUUHW, has framed the tax as
- 5:18an emergency response. Without action, he says,
- 5:20millions of people will lose healthcare, an untold number
- 5:23will go without treatment, and there will be tragedy after
- 5:26tragedy after tragedy. And the union argues that
- 5:29California's billionaires built their wealth using the
- 5:32advantages of California, its universities, its talent pool,
- 5:35its infrastructure, and should help fund services when federal
- 5:39money disappears. Now post posters on X say the
- 5:47measure will eventually bankrupt all of California.
- 5:53And that was Chamath Palahapitia.
- 5:56I was a tech investor and former Facebook executive.
- 6:01It's predictable but also precise.
- 6:04If you get the billionaires out of there, what you know, what
- 6:08happens to their money, it goes with them, right?
- 6:11The most talented entrepreneurs can and will leave the state,
- 6:15and they'll leave for states that do not tax wealth.
- 6:20And when they leave, they take their income taxes with them.
- 6:23They take their homes with them. All the money that they spend in
- 6:26that state goes with them. It goes to another state,
- 6:29Florida, possibly California's top 1% already pay more than
- 6:33half the state's income tax revenue.
- 6:35And who pays that after they go? Palmer Luckey, the founder of
- 6:40Audrill and one of the most vocal critics, raise a different
- 6:43problem. The tax applies to paper wealth,
- 6:46not actual cash. Lucky sold his first company,
- 6:50Oculus, to Facebook for $2 billion.
- 6:52He paid hundreds of millions in taxes on that sale.
- 6:55He then used the remainder to start Andrill, a defense
- 6:58technology company that now employs 6000 people.
- 7:01His stake in Andrill is worth billions on paper, but he can't
- 7:05spend that money. He can't sell large chunks
- 7:08without disrupting the company or triggering capital gains
- 7:11taxes, and under the proposed tax he would owe billions in
- 7:15cash based on the value of shares he cannot easily
- 7:18liquidate. And if he can't pay, the state
- 7:21could seize his home and garnish his wages, which is crazy. 1
- 7:25market correction, one nationalization event, one
- 7:29prohibition of divestiture and I'm screwed for life.
- 7:35He posted. That's his phrasing, not mine.
- 7:39Dylan Field, who's the Co founder and CEO of Figma,
- 7:43pointed out that founders and early employees could get caught
- 7:45up in the tax without the ability to use company stock to
- 7:48pay for it. Start up compensation often
- 7:50consists of equity and companies that have not gone public.
- 7:55I've been part of that. When you start a company with
- 7:57somebody or when you are part of the founding team, If you we
- 8:02founded a company with about 5 people and you get early equity,
- 8:06right? You get shares in the company
- 8:07before it goes public and you don't get any money for those
- 8:11shares. You actually buy into them
- 8:13sometimes and you have to pay money for those shares instead
- 8:17of just give being given them if that wasn't part of your deal,
- 8:20right? So sometimes people buy $10,000
- 8:23worth of shares because they believe so much in this company
- 8:26and they want to make it happen and you know what?
- 8:29They can't use those shares because the company isn't worth
- 8:33anything yet right before the IPO.
- 8:36They can't convert it to cash until an IPO or an acquisition.
- 8:40Now, the proposed tax would treat that equity as taxable
- 8:43wealth anyway, so you can't. I mean, you're going to go
- 8:45bankrupt. And if the company later has a
- 8:47down year, the founder might be forced to lower the company's
- 8:50valuation through a down round just to meet the tax
- 8:54application. OK, so Dave Friedberg, Co
- 8:59founder of Ohalo Genetics, called the measure and organized
- 9:03government seizure of private property from citizens who have
- 9:06already paid other state taxes that can total 53% in
- 9:10California. He compared it to politics in
- 9:12the Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela, France and Norway.
- 9:18Now the political response has been very predictable.
- 9:23RO Khanna, who's a Democrat, represents part of Silicon
- 9:26Valley flag The New York Times story about Page and teal
- 9:29potentially leaving. He added a line echoing
- 9:31President Franklin Roosevelt said I will miss them very much,
- 9:36kind of said he opposes taxes on unrealized gains and supports
- 9:39workarounds for founders with illiquid assets.
- 9:43But he defended the broader principle.
- 9:45Tax dollars helped build the AI industry, he wrote, and we
- 9:50cannot have a nation with extreme concentration of wealth
- 9:52in a few places. But where 70% of Americans
- 9:55believe the American dream is dead and healthcare, childcare,
- 9:58housing and education are unaffordable for most people.
- 10:02His argument is the innovation will not be stifled by a tax.
- 10:05Wealth, political dysfunction and social unrest definitely
- 10:10will. But that's the divide. 1 side
- 10:13sees the taxes theft, the other sees concentrated wealth as a
- 10:16theft to social stability. Neither sides moving on this,
- 10:20they're staying focused. Governor Gavin Newsom has
- 10:25opposed this measure. So has the California Taxpayers
- 10:28Association, which warned that the tax would chase high income
- 10:31residents out of the state and faces serious legal challenges.
- 10:35The Legislative Analyst's Office, California's nonpartisan
- 10:38fiscal advisor, confirmed the legal uncertainty.
- 10:41The measure could violate the dormant Commerce Clause of the
- 10:44United States Constitution because it taxes worldwide
- 10:48assets. It could violate due process
- 10:51protections because it is retroactive.
- 10:53It could be classified as a property tax, which California
- 10:56restricts under Article 13 of its constitution.
- 11:01California Taxpayers Association estimated that a previous
- 11:04smaller wealth tax proposal would cost 200 to $300 million
- 11:09annually just for administration.
- 11:12Now the current initiative allocates only 15,000,000 for
- 11:15administration. And, of course, strike down the
- 11:17measure after it passes. The state would have spent years
- 11:21litigating tax it cannot collect.
- 11:25Now. The backdrop is income
- 11:26inequality that has grown stark. Congressional Budget Office data
- 11:30shows that the share of wealth held by families in the top 10%
- 11:34is around 69%. The share held by families in
- 11:37the bottom 50% is 3%. That gap has widened over 33
- 11:42years. The billionaires threatening to
- 11:44leave California did not create that gap alone, but they
- 11:47represent its most viable edge now.
- 11:51Companies have already been leaving California for states
- 11:54with lower taxes and fewer regulations.
- 11:56Elon Musk moved Tesla and SpaceX to Texas.
- 11:59New data centers in the AI infrastructure being built
- 12:02outside of California, where land, water and electricity are
- 12:05more more available and cheaper, and the wealth tax could
- 12:09accelerate that trend. Gary Tan, CEO of Y Combinator,
- 12:12told the New York Post Post that the measure would cause a
- 12:16Stampede of unicorns out of California.
- 12:19Other states would reap the benefits of entrepreneurs,
- 12:22technology, and the jobs that California enjoys now.
- 12:26Now, the measure still needs about 875,000 valid signatures
- 12:32to qualify for the November 2026 ballot.
- 12:34Signature gathering is expected to begin in early 2026, and if
- 12:39it qualifies, it requires only a simple majority to pass.
- 12:43You need internal polling suggests strong voter support,
- 12:46though SEIUUHW has not really specific numbers.
- 12:50And the question is whether voters will see this as a fair
- 12:53ask of people who can afford it, or is the first step toward a
- 12:56broader wealth tax that reaches further down the income ladder.
- 13:00Robert Reich, former labor secretary under Bill Clinton,
- 13:02has endorsed the measure as a wealth tax that will work.
- 13:06Bill Ackman, the hedge fund manager, warned that California
- 13:09is on a path to self destruction.
- 13:11Hollywood has already toast, he wrote, and now the most
- 13:14productive entrepreneurs will leave, taking their tax revenues
- 13:17and job creation elsewhere. The vote's eleven months away.
- 13:22Some billionaires are not waiting to see how it turns out.
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