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- 0:03Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.
- 0:06Speaker 1: It's Friday, October seventeen, twenty twenty five. Australia is about
- 0:13Speaker 1: to get caught in the middle of a vicious trade
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- 0:41Speaker 1: Western Australia, but now it's at the center of allegations
- 0:44Speaker 1: of a vote rigging scandal involving a huge Native title settlement.
- 0:49Speaker 1: More than one hundred nunar people who are eligible to
- 0:52Speaker 1: vote for the board of an indigenous corporation are registered
- 0:55Speaker 1: to the same address, adding to fears within Aboriginal commit
- 1:00Speaker 1: unities about the integrity of the system. That's an exclusive
- 1:04Speaker 1: by our Indigenous Affairs editor Paige Taylor, live now at
- 1:07Speaker 1: Beaustralian dot com dot A. Former Coalition Cabinet minister Linda
- 1:14Speaker 1: Reynolds is taking aim at Labour's most powerful women. Finance
- 1:19Speaker 1: Minister Katie Gallagher and Foreign Minister at Penny Wong, and
- 1:22Speaker 1: it all goes back to Brittany Higgins. Today, the Australians
- 1:26Speaker 1: revealing Reynolds, who's already won defamation proceedings against Higgins and
- 1:31Speaker 1: her husband, David Scharraz, now wants Federal Parliament to investigate
- 1:35Speaker 1: whether Wong and Gallagher misled the Parliament or committed an
- 1:39Speaker 1: active contempt in their furious pursuit of false claims Reynolds
- 1:44Speaker 1: covered up higgins rape. Today, Stephen Rice and I look
- 1:48Speaker 1: at Reynolds's seemingly unstoppable crusade. Linda Reynolds is a woman
- 1:59Speaker 1: on a mission to clear her name, and it would
- 2:02Speaker 1: seem to pursue some righteous vengeance against the people who
- 2:06Speaker 1: she believes has wronged her. Stephen Rice is The Australian's
- 2:09Speaker 1: new South Wales editor and he's been covering this story
- 2:12Speaker 1: since the beginning. Stephen, this is all part of the
- 2:16Speaker 1: ongoing Brittney Higgins matter. Linda Reynolds was Brittney Higgins's boss
- 2:20Speaker 1: in Federal Parliament. When Britney Higgins said that she was
- 2:24Speaker 1: sexually assaulted, Linda Reynolds sacked Bruce Lemmon, the man whom
- 2:29Speaker 1: Britney Higgins accused basically on the spot because he'd come
- 2:32Speaker 1: back to the office after hours against the rules. But
- 2:35Speaker 1: it's what happened after that that has caused her a
- 2:38Speaker 1: huge amount of distress. She's won a defamation action in
- 2:42Speaker 1: the WA Supreme Court against Britney Higgins and her husband.
- 2:45Speaker 1: Now and now she's going after some of her political enemies.
- 2:49Speaker 1: Who are they and what does Linda Reynolds want?
- 2:53Speaker 2: Okay, well, there's quite a long list of Linda Reynolds's
- 2:56Speaker 2: political enemies. Let's exclude Britney Higgins and David she has
- 3:02Speaker 2: for the moment, because what Reynolds is trying to do
- 3:06Speaker 2: now really is to look at what happened to her,
- 3:11Speaker 2: especially in Parliament during these last four or five years,
- 3:15Speaker 2: when she's been under an extraordinary level of attack by
- 3:22Speaker 2: the Labor government and previously when Labor was in opposition
- 3:26Speaker 2: by the then opposition. So there are two or three
- 3:30Speaker 2: main characters who Reynolds believes not only went after her
- 3:36Speaker 2: in a very vicious and immoral way but also may
- 3:41Speaker 2: have misled Parliament, and in particular Katie Gallagher, who is
- 3:46Speaker 2: now the Finance Minister of very senior Labor minister. But
- 3:50Speaker 2: was then, let's call her one of Labour's chief attack dogs,
- 3:56Speaker 2: and she went after Linda Reynolds in Parliament and later
- 4:02Speaker 2: in estimates committees, very very viciously.
- 4:06Speaker 3: My final question, Senator Reynolds, was it your decision to
- 4:09Speaker 3: send miss Higgins to Perth for the duration of the
- 4:12Speaker 3: election campaign? Senator Gallagher again, that's also subject, so please investigation,
- 4:17Speaker 3: how hands that was your final question.
- 4:19Speaker 1: Thank Senator Gallagher, that was beneath you. When this scandal
- 4:27Speaker 1: first aired on the Channel ten show The Project, Katie
- 4:31Speaker 1: Gallagher and Petti Wong were up in Parliament very quickly afterwards,
- 4:34Speaker 1: asking questions about what Linda Reynolds had known about this beforehand,
- 4:39Speaker 1: because the implication in the project, no matter what Channel
- 4:42Speaker 1: ten says Ricey, is that this was a political cover up,
- 4:46Speaker 1: that Linda Reynolds had deliberately concealed a sexual assault for
- 4:50Speaker 1: her own political purposes or to protect the government of
- 4:53Speaker 1: the day, the Morrison government. Linda Reynolds has always denied that.
- 4:57Speaker 1: So what is wrong we in Linda Reynolds argument Labor
- 5:02Speaker 1: senators asking questions.
- 5:04Speaker 2: Well, I guess there are a couple of things wrong,
- 5:07Speaker 2: and the main one is that Linda Reynolds believes that
- 5:12Speaker 2: this was a stitch up from the beginning, a political
- 5:16Speaker 2: stitch up, that these allegations against her and against various
- 5:21Speaker 2: members of the.
- 5:22Speaker 4: Coalition were false.
- 5:24Speaker 2: She's not saying that the Britney Higgins rape allegations were false,
- 5:28Speaker 2: but she's saying that the whole idea that there was
- 5:32Speaker 2: a political conspiracy to shut down these allegations to you know,
- 5:38Speaker 2: essentially fob off Britney Higgins rape allegations because there was
- 5:44Speaker 2: a federal election coming up and nobody wanted to think
- 5:47Speaker 2: that they'd been of this dreadful thing happened in the
- 5:50Speaker 2: office of a prominent Liberal Party person. As it turned out,
- 5:54Speaker 2: it became very clear that in fact, the opposition had
- 5:58Speaker 2: known about the fact that these allegations, the rape allegations
- 6:03Speaker 2: were going to be made. You know, the then Labor
- 6:06Speaker 2: opposition had known right from the beginning that they were
- 6:10Speaker 2: going to be made. So Reynolds is saying that there
- 6:14Speaker 2: was a counter conspiracy, if you like, by the Labor
- 6:18Speaker 2: Party to weaponize these allegations against the Morrison government. And
- 6:24Speaker 2: she's saying that she never stood a chance in Parliament.
- 6:27Speaker 2: There was a complete onslaught of questions against her. And
- 6:31Speaker 2: then later on, when this came before an Estimates committee
- 6:36Speaker 2: in Parliament, Reynolds confronted Katie Gallagher with the allegation that
- 6:41Speaker 2: she had known all along about these allegations before they
- 6:46Speaker 2: were made public and had weaponized them. Now, Katie Gallagher
- 6:51Speaker 2: was outraged by this. She said, how dare you how
- 6:54Speaker 2: dare you suggest that.
- 6:57Speaker 3: You just did aged that we put you in hospitals?
- 7:00Speaker 3: You just said I put you in the hospital at
- 7:01Speaker 3: Senator Reynolds withdraw.
- 7:05Speaker 1: Well, if so, you're order, Senator.
- 7:09Speaker 3: Wal nobody, nobody takes pleasure.
- 7:16Speaker 4: Well.
- 7:17Speaker 2: Not long afterwards, the Australian that is Janet Orbertson and
- 7:20Speaker 2: I got hold of texts that David Sharraz had sent
- 7:24Speaker 2: to Britney Higgins, where it becomes very clear that Katie
- 7:29Speaker 2: Gallagher knew all along. You know, Sharaz was messaging Brittany,
- 7:34Speaker 2: his partner, four days before she appears on the project, so,
- 7:38Speaker 2: in other words, four days before this becomes public, saying Katie,
- 7:43Speaker 2: that is Katie Gallagher is going to come to me
- 7:46Speaker 2: with some questions you need to prepare for. She's really
- 7:48Speaker 2: invested now, ha ha. And then later on Sharaz says
- 7:53Speaker 2: to Brittany, Oh, Katie Gallagher messaged me. She's angry and
- 7:56Speaker 2: wants to help. She's got the context. Says they knew
- 7:59Speaker 2: something was wrong because they fired Bruce and not you
- 8:02Speaker 2: and so on and so on. So very very clear
- 8:05Speaker 2: that Gallagher knew what was going on before it became public. Now,
- 8:11Speaker 2: Labor had always denied and consistently denied that it ever
- 8:14Speaker 2: knew anything. So what's happening now is that Linda Reynolds
- 8:20Speaker 2: is it's a bit blunt. She's pissed off. She's been
- 8:23Speaker 2: through the courts, She's won in the courts. The courts
- 8:26Speaker 2: have recognized that there was never any political cover up
- 8:30Speaker 2: by her, that she didn't treat Britney Higgins badly in
- 8:33Speaker 2: the aftermath of this rape. Linda Reynolds is very wounded
- 8:36Speaker 2: by all this. She's got justice from the courts. Now
- 8:40Speaker 2: she wants justice from Parliament. You know, she's saying that
- 8:43Speaker 2: Parliament never acknowledged what had happened to her, never acknowledged
- 8:48Speaker 2: its own responsibility for the kind of merciless onslaught that.
- 8:53Speaker 4: She was subjected to.
- 8:54Speaker 2: That she eventually wound up in hospital with heart problems
- 8:57Speaker 2: as a result of all this, so she's now to
- 9:00Speaker 2: essentially get some change affected in Parliament the way that
- 9:04Speaker 2: Parliament deals with these kind of issues.
- 9:15Speaker 1: It's so understandable that Labor would have been frothing at
- 9:20Speaker 1: the mouth at this story. Risey, that the idea that
- 9:24Speaker 1: in the coalition government there was a senior minister and
- 9:29Speaker 1: other staff who were willing to cover up a rape
- 9:32Speaker 1: of shocking allegation. But it really strains credulity, doesn't it
- 9:37Speaker 1: if you think about it for more than a minute.
- 9:39Speaker 1: You know, would this middle aged woman and her chief
- 9:43Speaker 1: of staff conspire to conceal the rape of a young woman?
- 9:48Speaker 1: You know, probably not. It just it just only bears
- 9:52Speaker 1: a minute thinking about.
- 9:53Speaker 4: And for what purpose really?
- 9:56Speaker 2: I mean Linda Reynolds and as you say, Theona Brown.
- 10:00Speaker 2: What's wounded them most out of all of this is
- 10:03Speaker 2: that the idea, the claim that they walked past another
- 10:06Speaker 2: woman's rape. For both of these women, that's just been unbearable.
- 10:12Speaker 2: It's at the root of Linda Reynold's continuing battle to
- 10:18Speaker 2: get some kind of justice, and I don't mean justice
- 10:20Speaker 2: in a monetary way, although obviously she's hugely in debt
- 10:26Speaker 2: now as a.
- 10:26Speaker 4: Result of the civil legal.
- 10:28Speaker 2: Actions that she's taken, but some justice out of the Parliament.
- 10:32Speaker 4: That's what she's seeking here.
- 10:34Speaker 2: She wants Parliament to examine its own rules and indeed
- 10:37Speaker 2: examine its own conscience about the way this was allowed
- 10:41Speaker 2: to unfold.
- 10:45Speaker 1: This whole saga Rice has the elements of a morality
- 10:49Speaker 1: play for me, especially as someone who thinks a lot
- 10:52Speaker 1: about issues of feminism. You hear about a young woman
- 10:56Speaker 1: being badly done by and you think that's terrible. But
- 10:59Speaker 1: then Britney Higgins, as a twenty three year old, very quickly,
- 11:03Speaker 1: I think, got co opted by a movement that was
- 11:05Speaker 1: much bigger than her, that wanted this to be about
- 11:08Speaker 1: much more than just an interaction between two individuals. They
- 11:12Speaker 1: wanted it to be systemic. Big, powerful forces kind of
- 11:16Speaker 1: swept her up and suddenly she was all dressed in white,
- 11:19Speaker 1: addressing rallies out the front of Parliament talking about a
- 11:23Speaker 1: culture of rape apology allowing this kind of thing to
- 11:27Speaker 1: go on that has turned out to just not be
- 11:31Speaker 1: true at all. But now there are big ethical questions
- 11:35Speaker 1: for Linda Reynolds as she pursues some financial justice as
- 11:38Speaker 1: well as the legal justice that she's got. She has
- 11:42Speaker 1: initiated bankruptcy proceedings against both David Charaz and Britney Higgins.
- 11:47Speaker 1: Now because she's concerned she's not going to ever get
- 11:49Speaker 1: her legal bills paid. That's a real moral quandary, isn't
- 11:54Speaker 1: it for someone who, as Linda Reynolds said, has devoted
- 11:59Speaker 1: her life to the a'smen of women pursuing a rape victim.
- 12:03Speaker 2: Yeah, look, I mean it doesn't sit easily with her,
- 12:06Speaker 2: I think. And look, this was something that Brittany Higgins
- 12:10Speaker 2: lawyers expressly threatened her with as they were trying to
- 12:14Speaker 2: negotiate their way out of this defamation action. They wrote
- 12:18Speaker 2: to Linda Reynolds saying, well, look, how does it look
- 12:22Speaker 2: for you chasing after this rape victim.
- 12:24Speaker 4: It's not a good look.
- 12:26Speaker 2: Well, I think actually Reynolds is beyond that now.
- 12:30Speaker 4: She believes that lots of other people.
- 12:33Speaker 2: Have been wronged in the course of this whole episode,
- 12:38Speaker 2: and in particular her chief of staff Fiona Brown, who
- 12:43Speaker 2: to this day has never recovered from the accusations that
- 12:48Speaker 2: she knew about Britney Higgins's rape and not only did
- 12:53Speaker 2: nothing about it, but actively conspired somehow to cover it up.
- 12:58Speaker 2: It's essentially destroyed Fiona Brown's life, and I think those
- 13:03Speaker 2: kind of things for Reynolds make this idea that, oh,
- 13:07Speaker 2: she's going after a rape victim. I think it's gone
- 13:10Speaker 2: beyond that. I think in her mind, Brittany Higgins made
- 13:15Speaker 2: more than two and a half million dollars out of
- 13:18Speaker 2: the Commonwealth by making demonstrably false allegations about Reynolds, and
- 13:23Speaker 2: now Reynolds simply would like at least some of that
- 13:26Speaker 2: money back to cover the enormous costs that she's had
- 13:31Speaker 2: to bear in fighting to clear her name.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Coming up, will Linda Reynolds ever actually get the money
- 13:41Speaker 1: the courts have awarded to her? Where do you think
- 13:57Speaker 1: it ends up?
- 13:58Speaker 4: Rice?
- 13:59Speaker 1: He I mean, do you feel think she's likely to
- 14:01Speaker 1: get any money from Higgins Insurance?
- 14:03Speaker 2: Look, I doubt it. I think that money is long gone.
- 14:07Speaker 2: I would hope that Reynolds has more chance of succeeding
- 14:12Speaker 2: in the action that she's taken against the Commonwealth. Both
- 14:16Speaker 2: she and Fiona Brown are are suing the Commonwealth on
- 14:20Speaker 2: the grounds that they were never given an opportunity to
- 14:23Speaker 2: defend themselves in that case, in that Commonwealth negotiation with
- 14:28Speaker 2: Britney Higgins, where they were both slammed as being these
- 14:32Speaker 2: uncaring monsters who just hung their employee out to dry
- 14:37Speaker 2: after she'd been raped. Reynolds was actively told that she
- 14:41Speaker 2: couldn't even attend the mediation meeting to defend herself. The
- 14:46Speaker 2: then Labor Attorney General told her, do not attend. You
- 14:50Speaker 2: cannot attend this meeting, or we will not cover any
- 14:53Speaker 2: of your costs. So I think Reynolds would be very
- 14:56Speaker 2: happy if the Commonwealth just finally lentered. At the moment,
- 15:01Speaker 2: the Commonwealth has hired two very expensive barristers to defend
- 15:07Speaker 2: the action that Reynolds is taking against them, and it's
- 15:10Speaker 2: clear they're essentially trying to bankrupt their former political enemy,
- 15:16Speaker 2: and it's something that Reynolds feels very deeply that she
- 15:20Speaker 2: must fight.
- 15:22Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 15:22Speaker 1: You don't often meet a litigant who is prepared to
- 15:27Speaker 1: almost sacrifice everything in the pursuit of justice, do you
- 15:31Speaker 1: rise people usually give up before.
- 15:33Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, especially when you're fighting a litigant like the
- 15:36Speaker 2: Commonwealth now with the current labor government of political enemy.
- 15:42Speaker 2: It's an enormously expensive process for her, and it's not
- 15:47Speaker 2: as if she's been getting a lot of money along.
- 15:50Speaker 4: The way to help with this process.
- 15:53Speaker 2: In another world, perhaps she might have recovered some of
- 15:56Speaker 2: the money from Britney Higgins and David Shiraz, but as
- 15:59Speaker 2: I said, I think the chances of that are slim.
- 16:12Speaker 1: Stephen Rice is The Australian's new South Wales editor. You
- 16:15Speaker 1: can check out his reporting right now at the Australian
- 16:18Speaker 1: dot com dot au