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Capítulo 105: On Christianity & Satanism with Prisca Dorcas Mojica Rodriguez · Locatora Radio [A Radiophonic Novela]

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Speaker 1: immense privilege of welcoming the UNA founder of Latina Rebels
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Speaker 1: debut her book. She is going to be an author.
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Speaker 1: She is an author, and we are just so excited
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Speaker 1: to have her on the podcast today to talk about Christianity,
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Speaker 1: to talk about her book and everything. We're just gonna
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Speaker 1: let the conversation go where it needs to go. So Pudisca, welcome,
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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. We'll ask our audio editor,
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Speaker 1: done that for anyone else, but well it makes sense.
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Speaker 1: I thank you for having me. Welcome. We're like a
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Speaker 1: little loopy all. It's late Nashville for Budisca time. It's
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Speaker 1: Senora time. It's almost eight o'clock here on the West coast,
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Speaker 1: and that's labor Us too. Anyway. We also we also
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Speaker 1: like go way way back. We like you guys like
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Speaker 1: have probably heard our origins story like how we met,
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Speaker 1: and we always bring up Brisca and so we will
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Speaker 1: probably revisit that fateful night, that legendary night, I dare
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Speaker 1: say historic history. Remember I had blood on my dress.
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Speaker 1: It was legendary, was on several on several but you
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Speaker 1: know what, we were there. We were all there to
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Speaker 1: support each other through it. Yeah, it was it was cute.
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Speaker 1: We'll get there. So we're having a time. We're reconnecting tonight.
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Speaker 1: This is like a little reunion. Um, we're all a
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Speaker 1: little up in our own ways. No okay. I mean
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Speaker 1: we have some questions prepared, but I feel like we're
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Speaker 1: so like loose right now, Like let's like take it back,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about but he's got introduced yourself formally. Please
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Speaker 1: let the people know. I doubt anybody listening doesn't know
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Speaker 1: who Prisca is, but please let the people know, you know,
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Speaker 1: give them a little bit of background. I mean, oh
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Speaker 1: my gosh, I don't even know where to start. I
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Speaker 1: guess in two thousands thirteen, Sinco Mayo I started Latina
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Speaker 1: Rebels and on Instagram, Latin Nikis media was really well anywhere,
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Speaker 1: Latin Kis media was either like which is like really
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Speaker 1: white washed and um it told a certain narrative and
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Speaker 1: that upheld a certain it leaned into stereotypes. Sometimes it's
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Speaker 1: done weird things like black face and it's been a
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Speaker 1: very weird space or other platforms that were maybe more left,
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Speaker 1: but all they were doing was trying to do the
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Speaker 1: same thing that white publications were doing, which was like
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Speaker 1: reporting ship and they were trying to be legit, and
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Speaker 1: I was just like, this is cool, but this isn't cute,
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Speaker 1: this isn't fun, this isn't interesting, and it doesn't get
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Speaker 1: to the nuances of who I am. So I was
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Speaker 1: just like, I'm sure there's other Latinas specifically, and latin
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Speaker 1: ki is also who just identify with being like smart
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Speaker 1: and nerdy and like a little ratchet and like funny
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Speaker 1: and toxic sometimes. But it's just like, I feel like
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Speaker 1: there was so many nuances to us and we weren't
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Speaker 1: allowed to be that in the media. So I was
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Speaker 1: just like, I'm just gonna make a page for all
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Speaker 1: that exists, and it's like okay to exist that way,
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Speaker 1: and that maybe it's still a little page in like
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Speaker 1: a lot of ways for what it does. There's other
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Speaker 1: places still that do it. They almost like crank it
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Speaker 1: out at this point, so it is what it is.
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Speaker 1: It's like very grassroots. It stayed. I don't I've been
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Speaker 1: asked till you have it bought. I've I've been proposed
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Speaker 1: many weird things with it, but I just feel like
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Speaker 1: it just will take away from what it was supposed
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Speaker 1: to do. When you have a lot of voices having
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Speaker 1: opinions and it's working so far, I think, I don't know, No,
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Speaker 1: it's definitely working. I mean I think back when I
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Speaker 1: found Latina Rebels and like, I don't know, maybe like
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Speaker 1: that was one of the first like Latina like political
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Speaker 1: like social justice, like touching on the nuances like you said,
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Speaker 1: like that was one of the first accounts that I followed.
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Speaker 1: Y'all are like definitely like O G s in the
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Speaker 1: like I G platform space. Yeah, and I think in
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Speaker 1: the ways that ma Lah and like Sahida did that
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Speaker 1: on Twitter because there were other places not a lot, yeah,
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Speaker 1: not a lot, like tumbler if you were good enough
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Speaker 1: at it, and like Twitter where you can find like
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Speaker 1: my that tweeting that very smart, being really sharp, just
8:06
Speaker 1: like you all know you listen to the episode time
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Speaker 1: Mala is quick. It's like an knowing how quick she is.
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Speaker 1: She can make a pun a joke and you like
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Speaker 1: you dropped the penny she picked, She picked it up
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Speaker 1: before it fell on the ground, like and like on Twitter,
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Speaker 1: I ate it up into thousand thirteen. I was like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god. Yeah, that's when I started following her too,
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Speaker 1: when she was sucked on like yeah, I I tell
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Speaker 1: her this all the time, like her Twitter account. And
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Speaker 1: then because the friendship, the social media friendships started on Twitter,
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Speaker 1: moved to Instagram. And so I feel like when you
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Speaker 1: start on Twitter, you have you know somebody differently, right, No,
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Speaker 1: in like anthetical MIAs as much as you can know
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Speaker 1: someone online, right, And that was like one of the
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Speaker 1: reasons like I fell in love with her, and I
8:52
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, well we have to do a podcast,
8:54
Speaker 1: like when the podcast started surfacing in our spaces. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's very cool to just to see that there there
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Speaker 1: are these like pioneer Latinas I think more than any
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Speaker 1: like queer and Latinas who have like paved new realities
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Speaker 1: online for like a lot of different communities. But I
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Speaker 1: guess that's what I do to your question. What's wild
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Speaker 1: to me is how we knowingly and unknowingly have sparked
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Speaker 1: different things in each other. So like, for example, um
9:31
Speaker 1: sort of love fest that we all just had over
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Speaker 1: how funny I am. So that night that we met,
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Speaker 1: Brisco was like, you are you're a writer? You are
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Speaker 1: a writer? Yeah, in my hat. I'm like, I sunk
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Speaker 1: around and I just like sucking tweet and I waste
9:49
Speaker 1: all my fucking time on Twitter, like you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. Shortly thereafter, I started pitching places, and I
9:57
Speaker 1: pitched to Marjua Estevez at VIVI and my one of
10:01
Speaker 1: my first articles was about Yessica and it was one
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Speaker 1: of her first major pieces of press. And I went
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Speaker 1: to the poetry Lounge and I like heard heard her
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Speaker 1: perform and I interviewed her and just things be get
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Speaker 1: other things, and like it's wild. And speaking of be getting,
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Speaker 1: you're a divinity scholar. And I think that's another reason
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Speaker 1: we've connected is because we've talked about like Christianity with
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Speaker 1: us being recovering Catholics, um talk about that. Oh god,
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Speaker 1: it's yeah. So when I didn't know what Divinity school was,
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Speaker 1: to be honest, I wanted to go to grad school
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Speaker 1: and did so poorly in my g R e that
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Speaker 1: I like, I wanted to die like and I googled
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Speaker 1: schools that would allow you, like master's programs that would
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Speaker 1: allow you with our g R score, and Vanderbil Divinity
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Speaker 1: School sounded fancy as fuck. I was like Vanderbilt gossip
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Speaker 1: girl boom, Like, I know that's rich and like Divinity School.
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Speaker 1: I googled it. I was like some Jesus stuff. I
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Speaker 1: was like, I love the Bible. My dad as a pastor, like,
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Speaker 1: but like my thoughts were very elementary and getting to
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Speaker 1: this place because I am first gen because all that
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Speaker 1: is just like you're just guessing I feel and a
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Speaker 1: lot of these decisions. So yeah, I applied and was like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: I love too. I was an English major and undergrad
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Speaker 1: and mostly at least in my undergrad was very focused
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Speaker 1: on like Shakespeare and Milton and Spencer and all those
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Speaker 1: have like analogies to the Bible. And I grew up
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Speaker 1: as a pastor's daughter, so I was like, I'll just
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Speaker 1: do that in grad school and that felt normal. And
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Speaker 1: then I got there and I was like all you're
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Speaker 1: you guys are telling me all of this is a lie?
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Speaker 1: What which was unexpected like to be told, you know,
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Speaker 1: by Bible scholars to be like there's no evidence for
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Speaker 1: historical Jesus. And you've been like, but there's tours. People
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Speaker 1: pay a lot of money to go to Jerusalem. What
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Speaker 1: do you mean? And like there is it and there's
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Speaker 1: like hundreds of like Jesus that existed during that time,
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Speaker 1: and he could have been any one of those. But like,
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Speaker 1: when you start reading this and it completely shattered, I
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Speaker 1: really believed, like a lot of I was a fundamental Christian,
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Speaker 1: Like that's the category we're put in, Like, um, everything
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Speaker 1: in the Bible is the truth and there's no lies
12:47
Speaker 1: to it. And what that meant was like when it
12:51
Speaker 1: when I was being told like, hey, this Song of
12:56
Speaker 1: Solomon is based off of like an Iberian old poem
13:02
Speaker 1: or something. I don't know the exact details, but there
13:05
Speaker 1: is there's stuff like that you're finding out, but it's
13:07
Speaker 1: not even it's just like this collection of things and
13:12
Speaker 1: we don't have the original manuscripts of much and we're
13:17
Speaker 1: just like guessing and we've like based a whole system
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Speaker 1: of theology and oppression around it, and we're just like
13:24
Speaker 1: willing to like kill people for it. And when I
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Speaker 1: got to that place, through excruciating hours of reading that
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Speaker 1: I never understood grad school was going to require, I
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Speaker 1: like got to this place where I could first free
13:44
Speaker 1: myself because I was very entrenched in purity culture in
13:48
Speaker 1: like sexist ideas and internalized I internalized a lot of
13:55
Speaker 1: awful ship and having the language to be like, oh, hey,
13:59
Speaker 1: this doesn't have come rull over your life. You like,
14:01
Speaker 1: this is like a lot more complicated than you ever thought,
14:06
Speaker 1: and maybe your dad didn't have all the answers. It's it.
14:11
Speaker 1: It started to break down a lot for me. And
14:14
Speaker 1: then I just like dove deep into it. And my
14:18
Speaker 1: concentration was ethics specifically. So if you study theology or
14:24
Speaker 1: divinity school, there's like branches. So theology is like the
14:27
Speaker 1: interpretation of the Bible. UM. Biblical studies is like you're
14:32
Speaker 1: looking specifically at at the Bible, the text and people
14:36
Speaker 1: are like trying to figure out the oldest that they
14:38
Speaker 1: can get to, and what does this one word mean
14:41
Speaker 1: in the Coine and in the ancient Hebrew and in
14:44
Speaker 1: the and then there's um ethics and ethics answers the
14:50
Speaker 1: question of um theodyssey, So why do bad things happen
14:56
Speaker 1: to good people? And that's when you started talk about
15:00
Speaker 1: like racism and systemic problems around society. And there were
15:05
Speaker 1: that were lady in a kerr chy like and that
15:09
Speaker 1: was another level. Like I felt like I leveled up,
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Speaker 1: like I was an anime. I was Hunter Hunter, and
15:15
Speaker 1: my nnchees got really big but I don't know if
15:19
Speaker 1: you all watch, but yeah, not so much. But I reference.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I understood context clues. Yes, yes, yes, and
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Speaker 1: we're here for that. And I love though that you
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Speaker 1: also in your work, UM emphasized this sort of nerdiness
15:43
Speaker 1: to what you do and and in your interests, because
15:48
Speaker 1: I think that, like sometimes the things we do that
15:50
Speaker 1: we're super into, we don't like code them as nerdy,
15:53
Speaker 1: but they are. They totally are. Like we literally podcast
15:59
Speaker 1: all the time. It's like our that's like our whole thing.
16:01
Speaker 1: It's like our thing. You had audio the hardest, awful
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Speaker 1: things too, super nerdy. UM. So I wanted to ask
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Speaker 1: too about something that we've in our own way in
16:17
Speaker 1: a less sophisticated way, because you've studied this at the
16:20
Speaker 1: some of the highest levels. Might I add, like sand's
16:23
Speaker 1: being like in Vatican City maybe you were there. I
16:26
Speaker 1: don't know, but Um, Christianity and Christian supremacy and it's
16:30
Speaker 1: ties to white supremacy. This is something that I think
16:35
Speaker 1: we like to we tend to talk about within like
16:39
Speaker 1: a Latin X context, like we tie this to colonization
16:44
Speaker 1: and some of the reasons why we like have these
16:46
Speaker 1: internalized things that you described right, internalized anti blackness and
16:53
Speaker 1: internalized quara phobia and colorism and all these things. Um,
16:58
Speaker 1: but we would love to hear or you're like, you
17:01
Speaker 1: know you're elevated, Yes, exactly in your words, with your expertise.
17:07
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I think because so much of my
17:13
Speaker 1: I feel like, like, yeah, I got married at twenty
17:16
Speaker 1: three because I thought I was supposed to, Like I
17:18
Speaker 1: could have lost my entire life. That's how it happened
17:21
Speaker 1: to at least my mom, you know, like they were
17:26
Speaker 1: just like I gotta get out of here as time.
17:29
Speaker 1: Like I, like I said, I bought into all these
17:32
Speaker 1: ideals and when I figured it out and I understood
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Speaker 1: how insidious Christianity is and how embedded it is. Like
17:43
Speaker 1: there's like the tank commandments and government buildings like and cops, academies.
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Speaker 1: There's like Bible verses in like judges, courtrooms, like anti
17:56
Speaker 1: abortion stuffs all related to Christianity. Anti trans bills are
18:02
Speaker 1: all related to Christianity. Like it's everywhere, and they fund,
18:08
Speaker 1: they have so much money, and they just fund and
18:12
Speaker 1: fund and fund, like the counterstrike, and we're just like
18:20
Speaker 1: letting it happen, I think, because we're like but but
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Speaker 1: it made me feel good. And it's it's like bigger
18:26
Speaker 1: than that. It isn't about your experience with God and
18:31
Speaker 1: the divine like that you can have that, and that
18:34
Speaker 1: was meant to be yours. But it wasn't supposed to
18:36
Speaker 1: become oppressive. It was literally, like theologically made to be liberative,
18:45
Speaker 1: like Jesus was here for like the people who were outcasts.
18:50
Speaker 1: I don't know how people don't make that connection, Like
18:53
Speaker 1: they've become corporations, like some of these pastors have private jets,
18:58
Speaker 1: like what the fuck do it? And their tax exam bitch, Yeah,
19:06
Speaker 1: I mean some of the biggest churches don't pay taxes, right,
19:09
Speaker 1: he saw, like I don't know that that like famous
19:13
Speaker 1: right quote famous pastor UM like of the Trump regime,
19:18
Speaker 1: right that got like millions of dollars in pp P loans,
19:22
Speaker 1: you know, and so like yeah, it's it's evil. It's
19:26
Speaker 1: it's like straight up evil, Like there's no way to
19:29
Speaker 1: like say it, like it's straight up evil, and then
19:31
Speaker 1: still asking UM their congregation to like donate money in
19:36
Speaker 1: a pandemic number one April nineteen, it begins to donate
19:43
Speaker 1: your stimulus money. Rule number three donated to evangelists, North
19:50
Speaker 1: American evangelists who haven't had an offering in a month,
19:54
Speaker 1: missionaries who haven't had an offering in a month. If
19:57
Speaker 1: you don't have a church, give through my way. I'm right,
20:01
Speaker 1: like they're it's so instidious as you said, yeah, yeah,
20:05
Speaker 1: with hospitals, Like wasn't there a hurricane in Texas and
20:10
Speaker 1: they needed shelter and like Joel law sets big as
20:13
Speaker 1: massive ass church was just empty and wasn't. Yeah, it's
20:19
Speaker 1: just like and I know those people, like we were
20:23
Speaker 1: really Christian, like we came from white Christians who came
20:27
Speaker 1: to Latin America, like Central America specific they're part of
20:31
Speaker 1: like you know, like they're called the Jesus Freak movement.
20:35
Speaker 1: Like it's a it's just it's gotten big and they
20:39
Speaker 1: seek power. And this sounds so conspiracy theory is but
20:46
Speaker 1: it's so true, y'all you just have to pay attention.
20:50
Speaker 1: I'm like, this doesn't sound conspiracy theorist at all. If
20:56
Speaker 1: you ask me what you're getting out, this sounds like
21:00
Speaker 1: completely normal. I don't know, history validates it. I wanted
21:05
Speaker 1: to share to that, so um we I think we've
21:10
Speaker 1: discussed this on the podcast. But the Roman Catholic Church.
21:14
Speaker 1: I think that this is super horrendous and I feel
21:16
Speaker 1: like it hasn't been talked about enough. When the pandemic happened, right,
21:20
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church got taxpayer backed COVID relief one point
21:26
Speaker 1: four billion dollars in taxpayer backed coronavirus aid. This ap
21:32
Speaker 1: news dot com article says many millions of that one
21:36
Speaker 1: point for a billion going to dioceses that have paid
21:40
Speaker 1: huge settlements or stop bankruptcy protection because of clergy sexual
21:45
Speaker 1: abuse cover ups. So they got all this many and
21:49
Speaker 1: then they used it for their abuse fees. Yeah, and
21:56
Speaker 1: we just I think people get defensive and they hear
22:01
Speaker 1: me specifically talk about because I do. I I like,
22:05
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm like, let's go, let's go toe
22:08
Speaker 1: to toe baby, I'm ready because it is like something
22:12
Speaker 1: that I'm really passionate about because it could have taken
22:15
Speaker 1: my life away, Like I could have justen that generational
22:20
Speaker 1: curse just repeated and repeated and repeated. You said a
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Speaker 1: mouthful their girl, Because yeah, I feel that, and I
22:28
Speaker 1: feel like, uh, and I do this like I did
22:31
Speaker 1: this on our last episode. I was like, you know,
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Speaker 1: I feel like I can say this ship about Catholicism
22:37
Speaker 1: because I studied, I was in a Catholic school K
22:39
Speaker 1: through twelve. Like I've been in this and so I
22:44
Speaker 1: feel like if there's anybody that can like say something
22:47
Speaker 1: about Christianity and critique it, it's gonna be you. And
22:50
Speaker 1: it's gonna be folks that have lived their whole lives
22:52
Speaker 1: in it and have left right and are now like
22:55
Speaker 1: pushing back against it. Yeah, And I feel like one
22:59
Speaker 1: of the things it's so insidious is like, at least
23:02
Speaker 1: I feel that I have still not truly left because
23:06
Speaker 1: I live with my family and they're still in it.
23:10
Speaker 1: It's is a daily in the pandemic. And this is
23:14
Speaker 1: like it's not necessarily a bad thing because I like
23:17
Speaker 1: to keep abreast, you know, of situations, and so like
23:21
Speaker 1: you know seven basically, Misa, that's just like running on TV.
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Speaker 1: It's part of my atmosphere, is part of my environment.
23:29
Speaker 1: So I can be all like, oh, yeah, like I'm
23:33
Speaker 1: a nonbeliever or whatever, but I've completed all of my
23:37
Speaker 1: sacraments except for death, marriage, and holy orders, you know
23:40
Speaker 1: what I mean, And like you did in that order,
23:43
Speaker 1: in that order, in that exact order. So really they're
23:50
Speaker 1: girl death and marriage, I'll get married after I die. Now,
24:06
Speaker 1: who's the actually saw big Mouth the one who um
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Speaker 1: the blonde? Do you guys watch big Mouth Blond with
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Speaker 1: j in the in the later I'll get married after
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Speaker 1: love would lean into that Lord and heaven, Lord in
24:30
Speaker 1: Heaven you see there phony I love, I love the Lord.
24:40
Speaker 1: It is it is people, and like my friends, like
24:44
Speaker 1: we've all kind of been rejected from the church in
24:46
Speaker 1: one way or another. Were like a group of all
24:48
Speaker 1: pastors kids from the same denomination, and we like, I mean,
24:54
Speaker 1: I get triggered by Christian music now, but that's just
24:56
Speaker 1: me at the stage that I'm made in my healing journey.
24:59
Speaker 1: But uh, they like lean into that worship music when
25:04
Speaker 1: they're anxious, and like their spiritual practices are still like
25:09
Speaker 1: within that even when the lyrics are toxic, because I
25:11
Speaker 1: mean we do that with like sometimes our own toxic
25:14
Speaker 1: as music that we find healing as fun. So I
25:19
Speaker 1: don't know, I think there's room for that. Yeah, I mean,
25:22
Speaker 1: that's just how imbedded it is in our culture, like
25:25
Speaker 1: either in like literal Christian culture being in the US
25:29
Speaker 1: or like being Latino X and like in some sect
25:33
Speaker 1: of Christianity, right, and so it's so embedded in everything
25:37
Speaker 1: that we do. Yeah, there's like so in ethics, there's
25:42
Speaker 1: like you do either Christian ethics or regular ethics for
25:45
Speaker 1: white people, for black people in the US, for black
25:49
Speaker 1: people in Africa. Then there's like everybody gets separate except
25:54
Speaker 1: Latin necks ethics because our ethics are so informed by
26:00
Speaker 1: the culture that there we don't separate them in the field.
26:04
Speaker 1: And that's like wild that like that doesn't happen in
26:08
Speaker 1: other way fields to me, because like it is it
26:12
Speaker 1: is like what we breathe, what we've normalized, what we've Yeah,
26:18
Speaker 1: I think about who it's so like insidious because not
26:21
Speaker 1: only is it etched into the culture, but it's like
26:23
Speaker 1: etched into the literal folds of our brains. Like hear
26:27
Speaker 1: me out, we're so young, and it's super repetitive, like
26:31
Speaker 1: all the prayers and the songs, all the fucking music
26:35
Speaker 1: that the hours of Baganda. Yeah, that ship is like embedded,
26:41
Speaker 1: Like I at a drawer at the drop of a hat,
26:43
Speaker 1: I could like sucking recite the fucking hymnals and ship,
26:47
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, and prayers and it's will
26:49
Speaker 1: never leave my mind. And that ship trips me out
26:53
Speaker 1: because I'm like, I don't want to be this well versed,
26:57
Speaker 1: but I'm so well versed. That happened to me where
27:01
Speaker 1: like my man like said something like he was like
27:04
Speaker 1: kind of like joking, like saying like a scripture verse
27:08
Speaker 1: and I completed the sentence. I finished it, and I
27:10
Speaker 1: was like it like took me back and I was like,
27:12
Speaker 1: oh my god, what did I just do. Somebody said
27:17
Speaker 1: a post that was like, um, what's a song? If
27:21
Speaker 1: you what's a song that you could sing all the
27:23
Speaker 1: lyrics too, and if you did so correctly, you'd win
27:25
Speaker 1: like a million dollars. And like I was like, like,
27:31
Speaker 1: I go to coos like no other. I don't even
27:34
Speaker 1: know secular music that much. I call it secular music.
27:37
Speaker 1: That's how much of a Christian I was. You know,
27:40
Speaker 1: you're a church kid when you're just like inscription music
27:43
Speaker 1: and then secular music. So yeah, I get it, um
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Speaker 1: along these lines, right, if you're comfortable via Twitter you
29:18
Speaker 1: share that you're a Sitnist, obviously, let's talk about that.
29:24
Speaker 1: Let's have that conversation. Of course, I lost so many followers,
29:28
Speaker 1: people get did you really? And I don't have a loss,
29:35
Speaker 1: so you could sell when they leave. People really love
29:39
Speaker 1: their Jesus and like Satanism, Satanism is meant to provoke,
29:46
Speaker 1: like it just is. It is, like it doesn't exist
29:50
Speaker 1: without Christianity. Like literally they created their worst their worst enemy,
29:57
Speaker 1: and then people like us are like, Okay, we're gonna
29:59
Speaker 1: use it because you become the world's worst enemy. And
30:03
Speaker 1: then it's just like a strategy. So I'm a part
30:07
Speaker 1: of the Satanic Temple. So there's a few branches of Satanism.
30:13
Speaker 1: A Satanic temple works kind of like a nonprofit, so um,
30:19
Speaker 1: they'll go to like a courthouse that UM has a
30:22
Speaker 1: tent commandments somewhere, and they'll say why is that there?
30:26
Speaker 1: They'll petition and then they'll be like, oh, it's freedom
30:30
Speaker 1: of religion, and so they'll propose to have a Satanic
30:35
Speaker 1: you know, sculpture also in the building because freedom of religion,
30:39
Speaker 1: and that they'll pay for it, and just like you
30:43
Speaker 1: mean it right, we don't live in a Christian supremacy society,
30:47
Speaker 1: right what what where does freedom of religion stop? And Um,
30:54
Speaker 1: they've lost a lot, which shows you like the power
30:58
Speaker 1: of Christianity. But they're just like challenging these laws. So
31:03
Speaker 1: our commandments, we have seven commandments and they're amazing. So
31:07
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read it to you because I was like
31:09
Speaker 1: prepared like you, anamos. This is a local radio historic moment.
31:16
Speaker 1: This is the first time, but we will be hearing
31:21
Speaker 1: the what did you call the Satanic principles, our commandments, commandments,
31:27
Speaker 1: the Satanic commandments of the air of the Satan. Example, UM,
31:33
Speaker 1: thank you're doing the Lord's work. To please continue. The
31:40
Speaker 1: floor is yours. So the fundamental tenants if you want
31:45
Speaker 1: to be a part of the Satanic temple, is one
31:47
Speaker 1: you should strive to act with compassion empathy towards all
31:50
Speaker 1: creatures in accordance to reason. Bam, right, the struggle for
31:56
Speaker 1: justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that prevail over
32:00
Speaker 1: laws and institutions. But Bam, one's body is and is violable.
32:14
Speaker 1: But I know what it means. Well, one's own body
32:18
Speaker 1: is subject to one's own will. That's it. The freedom
32:22
Speaker 1: of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend
32:26
Speaker 1: to willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another
32:30
Speaker 1: is to forego. One's own beliefs should conform to one's
32:34
Speaker 1: best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care
32:38
Speaker 1: never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs, which
32:43
Speaker 1: is like, you know, COVID stuff happening right now. I'm
32:48
Speaker 1: just I'm just pausing because I think and I simultaneously
32:52
Speaker 1: at a moment or we're like, are we Satanist? Like
32:57
Speaker 1: we all? It is the vibe, there's even all of
33:01
Speaker 1: these principles hold on having telling her Mommy said, oh
33:07
Speaker 1: my god, look my satanic mug. I brought it. I
33:10
Speaker 1: was like, let's go Baltazar. My friend, my friend, she's
33:19
Speaker 1: a Satanist. And I never truly understood, but like now
33:21
Speaker 1: I'm understanding, it's it's fearmongering. It's like it's the scandal
33:27
Speaker 1: because it's specific it has no other agenda than to
33:30
Speaker 1: eradicate Christian supremacy. Wow, Okay, no, I agree, Like it's
33:34
Speaker 1: definitely meant it. There's like a shock value to it, right,
33:37
Speaker 1: like by saying like I'm a Satanist because of the
33:41
Speaker 1: Christian supremacy. Right. But I mean I think, yeah, like
33:45
Speaker 1: through throughout the whole pandemic, we've seen like what the
33:48
Speaker 1: disbelief for the mistrust in science, or the politicizing of
33:54
Speaker 1: mask wearing right has done to not only I mean,
33:58
Speaker 1: well we felt it here in the US, but I
34:01
Speaker 1: mean like globally right and h but I think we
34:03
Speaker 1: definitely saw like the huge resistance to wear masks here
34:06
Speaker 1: in the US. So wow, yeah, I think while that
34:09
Speaker 1: I were definitely having the same feeling like wait a second,
34:15
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, yeah, it's and they're trying to
34:18
Speaker 1: make so they've added uh, like a like a into
34:23
Speaker 1: the belief system that it is a woman's right to
34:28
Speaker 1: terminate a pregnancy, to specifically go against laws that are
34:32
Speaker 1: being created where they say they can deny you to
34:37
Speaker 1: give you an abortion or you won't get an abortion, whatever.
34:42
Speaker 1: You can make the case now that it is against
34:44
Speaker 1: your religious belief to not be allowed that. And so
34:46
Speaker 1: they're fighting at case right now that they're trying to
34:49
Speaker 1: get picked up by the Supreme Court. But it's just cool.
34:52
Speaker 1: It's like that sounds like like you said in the beginning,
34:55
Speaker 1: like strategic, like challenging, Like if it's really freedom of
34:59
Speaker 1: religion and express question, we'll meet on no mass, this
35:02
Speaker 1: is a part of my religion, damn And like give
35:06
Speaker 1: your temper cent that you would given disms, but like
35:09
Speaker 1: to a nonprofit that's right, actually doing the work of
35:14
Speaker 1: dismantling this ship like on the ground for real. And
35:19
Speaker 1: like a lot of the bigger people in the organization
35:23
Speaker 1: don't reveal their identity. Like Christians are the scary y'all right,
35:28
Speaker 1: the Christians are not trying to harm people, but Christians
35:32
Speaker 1: are trying to harm people. Well, yeah, I mean we
35:35
Speaker 1: we see it daily. Yeah wow, I mean we've seen
35:39
Speaker 1: it for centuries. Really. Um okay, so you're like super
35:43
Speaker 1: unapologetic in your practice in your life. Um online, So
35:50
Speaker 1: do you feel like you're you as a Satanist? Like
35:54
Speaker 1: it has to be. Do you feel like you're downplay
35:56
Speaker 1: or you feel like no, I just like I I
35:58
Speaker 1: walk in this is who I am, unapologetic about it.
36:01
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let people know or do you like keep
36:04
Speaker 1: it to yourself? I keep it to myself. I mean
36:08
Speaker 1: I made that statement because I was hot, and I
36:10
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna say it once, I'm gonna not
36:13
Speaker 1: say it again. Like I stepped into it with that
36:17
Speaker 1: kind of energy. Yeah, and uh, but I lost a
36:24
Speaker 1: lot of followers. And also I think it is shocking,
36:28
Speaker 1: but then I wanted to be shocking. But I'm also
36:31
Speaker 1: publishing my first book, so I'm just like I want
36:35
Speaker 1: to have those conversations if I'm going to have them
36:38
Speaker 1: to the fulix extent that it can be had. I
36:40
Speaker 1: don't want these snippets of like I'm a Satanist and
36:44
Speaker 1: just leave that because it's too shocking. I think for
36:47
Speaker 1: our communities because I feel like white people most of
36:50
Speaker 1: the members are white and it makes sense to me. Yeah, yeah,
36:55
Speaker 1: there's a few. So there's like quote unquote churches um
37:00
Speaker 1: across the US, and I think o Passo has a
37:03
Speaker 1: really good like Lettin ni Keys Force l A has
37:07
Speaker 1: a really good one, but the majority are like flyover states,
37:12
Speaker 1: and but there's one in Tennessee so that's exciting. But um,
37:16
Speaker 1: it's really white because I feel like white people can
37:19
Speaker 1: get away but anything, Yeah, I'm gonna face different repercussions
37:25
Speaker 1: than they are. And like, yeah, they're in hiding, but
37:28
Speaker 1: like they probably still't have families that will speak to
37:32
Speaker 1: them or like anyone that will speak to them after
37:37
Speaker 1: that comes out who isn't white. And so you're saying
37:41
Speaker 1: you're like kind of quiet about it. So does that
37:44
Speaker 1: mean like your family doesn't know. No, But I'm like
37:47
Speaker 1: ready to tell because I'm I'm ready to have the conversation.
37:51
Speaker 1: I just don't want to drop a bomb without it.
37:55
Speaker 1: I mean this makes sense, like considering your journey of
38:00
Speaker 1: like being a pastor's kid going to Divinity school and
38:03
Speaker 1: then being like, wait, all of this is fake. I
38:07
Speaker 1: mean no, of course, Goda, yeah, Goda, Yeah, here look
38:13
Speaker 1: at that. We're not telling you what to believe in.
38:15
Speaker 1: We're just showing a different lens, right, a different viewpoint
38:20
Speaker 1: if you will. Um, but no, I mean, like we said,
38:24
Speaker 1: like Catholicism Christianity is like so embedded in the culture.
38:28
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure people are going to feel uncomfortable right
38:31
Speaker 1: now that are listening, because you know, it's like so
38:34
Speaker 1: embedded in our psyche, in our upbringing, in our day
38:38
Speaker 1: to day lives, like this will probably make you feel uncomfortable,
38:41
Speaker 1: and that's okay, And like I think it's exciting that
38:44
Speaker 1: it makes people uncomfortable, Like I love it, Like if
38:48
Speaker 1: I can, like, oh yeah, I have made Like I
38:50
Speaker 1: was like, if I can make a career out of
38:51
Speaker 1: making people feel uncomfortable, But like I think I have
38:54
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think in a yeah, you're not
39:01
Speaker 1: harming anybody like that, you know, that's different, but yeah,
39:05
Speaker 1: I mean I think that you've like pushed our community
39:08
Speaker 1: to grow in real ways and like your transparency and
39:13
Speaker 1: you like you know, spent lots of your life and
39:16
Speaker 1: your work like doing doing this actual work. Yeah it's true.
39:21
Speaker 1: And you've you've been writing for years and publishing for
39:26
Speaker 1: years and like really, um, I think cultivating is space
39:31
Speaker 1: for like Latinas were writing online and like I feel
39:37
Speaker 1: like I saw particular women doing it, like Raquel. You
39:43
Speaker 1: you know, there's like a slew I'd have to like
39:47
Speaker 1: go back and really like dig. But there's the women
39:50
Speaker 1: the Latina's writing on the internet, I think, and you're
39:53
Speaker 1: one of them. And now you're publishing a book, which
39:56
Speaker 1: is so exciting, and I like, I want to know
40:00
Speaker 1: more about about the book, about the process, how folks
40:04
Speaker 1: can support Oh my god, writing a book is wild, y'all.
40:09
Speaker 1: Are you all in the process right now? Book proposal
40:12
Speaker 1: situation kind of Oh my god. Okay, So I don't
40:16
Speaker 1: know how long it's taken, y'all, but it took me
40:19
Speaker 1: two years to write my proposal. Like that ship is
40:22
Speaker 1: no joke. It does not make sense. It's like a
40:25
Speaker 1: business plan before a book and you have to somehow
40:29
Speaker 1: be charming to like what and then you finished writing
40:33
Speaker 1: that right two years and then they just like send
40:38
Speaker 1: it off. And for me, it's like the turnound just happened,
40:42
Speaker 1: like in the blink of an eye. I had taken
40:45
Speaker 1: so long to write it, and I just didn't believe
40:48
Speaker 1: anything was going to happen that I it was like,
40:51
Speaker 1: I'm done writing for this ship, and I like got
40:53
Speaker 1: a nonprofit job. It had like a long term plan
40:57
Speaker 1: to like get out of the Internet because it like
41:01
Speaker 1: y'all are visible online, Like it can get really toxic
41:06
Speaker 1: and people can get really mean, and it can become
41:10
Speaker 1: dangerous sometimes for us to exist in these spaces, and
41:14
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm done. Like I tried. It was
41:17
Speaker 1: hard to get published by latin Ki's publications, like they
41:21
Speaker 1: would just be like it felt like they thought I
41:24
Speaker 1: was like a fad or something. It was very dismissive.
41:27
Speaker 1: It was very I did this dance with every publication
41:30
Speaker 1: I wrote for. I would they would reach out and
41:33
Speaker 1: be like, we'd love for you to write for us.
41:36
Speaker 1: I would get assigned the editors and um, I would
41:40
Speaker 1: write something and mostly they would hate it. Immediate immediate
41:43
Speaker 1: reaction was like this is trash. Nobody rights like this
41:48
Speaker 1: because I do right, I write really not like I'm
41:54
Speaker 1: not a reporter, y'all. I wouldn't even say I'm a blogger.
41:58
Speaker 1: I'm just a storyteller. Sure, and that's your own You
42:03
Speaker 1: have your own way of getting across what you're trying
42:06
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, And they didn't get it. And I
42:10
Speaker 1: don't think online was there. Weren't there weren't spaces for
42:13
Speaker 1: us like that. They weren't cute spaces like that I
42:18
Speaker 1: thought we could have By this time. Now it's listicals
42:23
Speaker 1: and like listicals and they're like, we did it. We
42:26
Speaker 1: got the millennial Latin ackis and uh, I just was
42:32
Speaker 1: getting tired of that dance of like being like, then,
42:35
Speaker 1: I don't want to work with you. And then they'd
42:36
Speaker 1: be like their boss would email me and be like, well,
42:39
Speaker 1: it's sign you a new editor. And this happened everywhere, yeah, everywhere,
42:45
Speaker 1: Like I felt like it my being difficult, Like I
42:47
Speaker 1: just threatened to quit because you don't get it, like
42:51
Speaker 1: I'm okay with not doing this. I've always been okay
42:54
Speaker 1: with not doing this. Uh. I was done. And then
43:00
Speaker 1: and I got a phone call. I've been working like
43:03
Speaker 1: three months at this nonprofit. It was a bit Brothers,
43:05
Speaker 1: Big Sisters. Three months. I had a caseload. I was
43:09
Speaker 1: busy as fuck. I was making no money. And I
43:14
Speaker 1: got a phone call one day from my agent who's like,
43:18
Speaker 1: Priest car, are you available this week? I'm like what.
43:21
Speaker 1: And I hadn't told him I got a job, because
43:23
Speaker 1: you don't tell your agents. You've lost your your will
43:28
Speaker 1: to live, Like you don't tell it, you quit writing,
43:32
Speaker 1: you just like whatever, I have nothing to lose and
43:35
Speaker 1: you let it go. And he called me, he's like,
43:40
Speaker 1: I sent your proposed about yesterday and today like three
43:44
Speaker 1: of the five big publishing houses, um like subsidiaries of
43:49
Speaker 1: theirs are interested in buying the book. We're gonna go
43:52
Speaker 1: into a bidding war. Get ready for the interviews, and
43:55
Speaker 1: you're just gonna meet editor and you're gonna pick whoever
43:57
Speaker 1: you want, and we're gonna get the month money. And
43:59
Speaker 1: I was like, what the fuck it's happening. I was
44:02
Speaker 1: in a meeting right now with the Brothers by Sisters
44:06
Speaker 1: of Middle Tennessee. I just like started sobbing in my cubicle.
44:10
Speaker 1: I was like, what the funk is happening? And I
44:13
Speaker 1: just started having the meetings and I watched all of them.
44:16
Speaker 1: They didn't prep me. They were like, just be yourself.
44:20
Speaker 1: I'm like, what does that mean? Like, no, there's a
44:22
Speaker 1: right answer, Just tell me the right answer. Don't sabotage me.
44:26
Speaker 1: But I went in and I ended up getting the
44:30
Speaker 1: one person I wanted. Most of the editors, because publishing
44:34
Speaker 1: is white as fuck. Most of the editors were white,
44:38
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't want to have to go
44:41
Speaker 1: through the hoops of writing, that hoops of like that
44:44
Speaker 1: I did with editors that maybe weren't quote unquote white
44:47
Speaker 1: American specifically, but a lot of Latin Kis Media is
44:51
Speaker 1: run by white Latina Kis. They're the editors that these
44:56
Speaker 1: publications that you all stand. So I just I didn't
45:00
Speaker 1: want to deal with that. I didn't want to have
45:01
Speaker 1: to explain to them why saying that being brown was
45:06
Speaker 1: important and then be like, oh, metaphorically brown, what the
45:09
Speaker 1: funk is metaphorically brown? Bro, No, you're not brown. So
45:16
Speaker 1: I was like going through that, I was like, I'm
45:18
Speaker 1: not gonna fucking get a white editor. And the one
45:21
Speaker 1: person I loved was Japanese American editor from Seal Press.
45:27
Speaker 1: Her name's Emmy Akanda and she's it's a subsidiary of Hashette,
45:33
Speaker 1: which is one of the Big five. And I got like, A, really,
45:38
Speaker 1: I don't you're not supposed to talk about money, but like,
45:42
Speaker 1: why not? I want to talk about money because nobody
45:46
Speaker 1: talks about the fact that these white people get like
45:48
Speaker 1: so much money. They get tons of money, and there's
45:52
Speaker 1: never to the visible eye, like hesitation were necessarily a
46:00
Speaker 1: standard like for making big bucks for us, we hesitate
46:08
Speaker 1: to monetize things. Were scared to monetize things, and we
46:12
Speaker 1: feel guilty about monetizing things and making too much money
46:15
Speaker 1: and asking for more, and people chronically undersell us. And
46:20
Speaker 1: I'm sure that like in every gig you've ever had,
46:24
Speaker 1: which has been our experience, basically, um, we're being undersold
46:30
Speaker 1: and being quoted honestly an offensively low rate. Yeah yeah,
46:37
Speaker 1: And like I was like, okay, this is is this
46:41
Speaker 1: is it right? This is why people and their white
46:45
Speaker 1: money and okay, let's just start saying our number. So
46:50
Speaker 1: so I got seventy five thousand dollars in my book,
46:52
Speaker 1: which was the dream number, like I said with my
46:54
Speaker 1: husband when we knew what was happening, and it went
46:58
Speaker 1: to auction the book propoll um. So that means they
47:02
Speaker 1: get into a little bitting war. And I was like, okay,
47:04
Speaker 1: worst case scenario five thousand, would that be okay? To
47:09
Speaker 1: write a whole book? Like I've never written a boat before, Like, um,
47:15
Speaker 1: did you all write like a this like a thesis
47:18
Speaker 1: and undergrad how many thousand words were in it? You
47:22
Speaker 1: have to remember, right, Like I blocked all of that
47:25
Speaker 1: out omber. I had a portfolio that I turned in
47:30
Speaker 1: of like short stories and pieces and yeah not say so.
47:35
Speaker 1: I wrote a master's thesis and my master's thesis. Um,
47:39
Speaker 1: what they do is they make you write it during
47:40
Speaker 1: a year. The first year you're just like being told
47:44
Speaker 1: how to write one and being told how to find
47:47
Speaker 1: sources and whatever. The second half of that you're writing it.
47:53
Speaker 1: And uh so it took me a year to write
47:55
Speaker 1: almost twenty thousand words, and I was like, WHOA, I
48:00
Speaker 1: did that? A book is like, and you have like
48:06
Speaker 1: six months. I was like, so, what's gonna be my
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Speaker 1: bottom number? That I just cannot I will not do
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Speaker 1: this labor for y'all to the point that it feels dehumanizing.
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Speaker 1: And I think I think I decided I could be okay,
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Speaker 1: but I prefer fifty and seventy five would be my
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Speaker 1: dream number. This was before I found out that like
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Speaker 1: American Dirt author, a white woman, got like a million
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Speaker 1: dollars from one of the similar publishers want to publish
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Speaker 1: me and offered me like fifteen. I think so, but
48:49
Speaker 1: so I was like, I didn't even know that I
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Speaker 1: would be in this position. So I was elated and
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Speaker 1: I got it. I got my editor, and I wrote
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Speaker 1: it dur in COVID, which is amazing because all my
49:02
Speaker 1: gigs got canceled. Y'all probably experienced that, Like that was
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Speaker 1: income I was depending on. It was like almost twenty
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Speaker 1: k just in spraying that I lost immediately. I was like,
49:13
Speaker 1: but I had my book advance and I was just like, bitch,
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Speaker 1: you gotta write this thing now. And it's done, and
49:22
Speaker 1: I have read it so many times and I found
49:25
Speaker 1: so many flaws. At some point you just have to
49:27
Speaker 1: turn it in and I'm just like, is this it?
49:31
Speaker 1: Is this the career? I picked this like massa kiss
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Speaker 1: as ship where you're never gonna get your ship right,
49:37
Speaker 1: but you're just gonna be like, go world, tell me
49:39
Speaker 1: how terrible it is. And that's the stage I'm currently,
49:46
Speaker 1: But go buy it. It's out for free. Where can
49:51
Speaker 1: people buy your book? What's it called? And how could
49:55
Speaker 1: folks pick up a copy? Um? You can buy it anywhere.
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Speaker 1: It's on Amazon, Target. I mean, there's like ethical ways
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Speaker 1: to buy books. Y'all know that there's links. Look for it.
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Speaker 1: It should be everywhere. But it's called for brown girls
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Speaker 1: with sharp edges and tender hearts. It's a love letter
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Speaker 1: to women of color. I love that. Thank you so
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Speaker 1: much for also sharing the bidding process, the money talk
50:25
Speaker 1: like we're not we're not in that space yet. But
50:29
Speaker 1: when it comes to podcasting, like people gate keep the numbers,
50:34
Speaker 1: and so it leaves like a lot of us like scrambling,
50:37
Speaker 1: like are we being low bald? Is this a good deal?
50:41
Speaker 1: Is this? Like? What is this right? And because nobody
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Speaker 1: shares so like, I really appreciate you sharing that. That's like,
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Speaker 1: I think helpful to everyone that's listening. That is like
50:50
Speaker 1: thinking about going the publishing route um versus like self
50:55
Speaker 1: publishing or what have you. So thanks for that, And yes,
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Speaker 1: definitely support order from ethical places, order from their local bookstart,
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Speaker 1: order from bookshop dot org. Hit that pre order because
51:06
Speaker 1: it really does help the author, the writer's Yes, that
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Speaker 1: would be ideal if you all bought it, I hope
51:13
Speaker 1: you like it, that would be even more ideal. Actually,
51:17
Speaker 1: and like not only by the book. Read the book obviously,
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Speaker 1: I think that leave our review, share it on our
51:27
Speaker 1: social media. I like cashta think about like how Gali
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Speaker 1: Fajado Anstein said that like Latina readers like pushed the
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Speaker 1: book because they were posting it and they were sharing
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Speaker 1: it with their online community. They were buying it for
51:42
Speaker 1: their family members or Botty muther sisters all of that,
51:44
Speaker 1: and so like literally do that, like that's the standard
51:48
Speaker 1: for all of the Latina authors who want to support. Um, yeah,
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Speaker 1: read the book, by the book, share it, Latina's love
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Speaker 1: a book and nail post yes the cover. Yes, yeah, alright,
52:06
Speaker 1: Prisca man, we go way back. We could honestly talk
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Speaker 1: for hours and hours and hours. We'll probably have to
52:13
Speaker 1: do another interview maybe an I g Live, oh my
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Speaker 1: gosh something or other because um, I feel like there's more,
52:24
Speaker 1: but we definitely need to talk again when the book
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Speaker 1: is out, you know, when you're doing that tour, Like,
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Speaker 1: we definitely need to talk again. Yes, good idea, that
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Speaker 1: would be great. Thank you all. It's by an amazing
52:40
Speaker 1: connecting again like you're fabulous like applause sound bite. So alright, y'all,
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