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Happy Hour #236: Pre DragonCon (Anney's Version) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie.
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  Speaker 2: And Samantha.
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  Speaker 3: And welcome to Stuff I Never Told You, a production
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  Speaker 3: of iHeartRadio. And welcome to another edition of Happy Hour.
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  Speaker 3: As always, if you choose to drink or whatever you're
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  Speaker 3: choosing to do, please do so responsibly. Samantha, are you
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  Speaker 3: up to anything?
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  Speaker 2: I am doing bubbly water. Today's a busy day.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: As per all the days. But also, I will be
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  Speaker 2: teaching my Zumba later. So, I can't be sleepy. I
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  Speaker 2: can't be sleepy. I gotta be on my toes and hydrated. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Very important. Very important.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still working on the rosé.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: I've also had a busy morning. I mentioned recently that
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  Speaker 3: my landlord... is coming to fix my air conditioner. And
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  Speaker 3: this is a much bigger ordeal than it needs to be.
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  Speaker 3: And I just have this huge table that's got all
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  Speaker 3: of this stuff on it right in front.
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  Speaker 1: Of the AC.
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  Speaker 3: I think it took me over an hour and 30
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  Speaker 3: minutes to move that, move my other table, and then
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  Speaker 3: to clean the floor because I'd never go back there
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  Speaker 3: because I'd never move the table.
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  Speaker 2: Did you get a surprise?
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  Speaker 3: I mean, he's going to be mad at me. When
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  Speaker 3: I first moved in, he was very adamant about the
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  Speaker 3: quality of the wood floor. And the wood floor under
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  Speaker 3: the AC is warped. That's not me.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 3: But he's going to be mad about that for sure.
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  Speaker 3: He's coming later today. It's going to be fun for me.
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  Speaker 3: So a little stressed.
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  Speaker 1: And speaking of stress. It is that time of year.
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  Speaker 1: It is the time for DragonCon.
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  Speaker 3: DragonCon is a huge convention that takes place in Atlanta
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  Speaker 3: over Labor Day weekend, which this year falls later than
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  Speaker 3: it usually falls. Normally, it's in August, like the last
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  Speaker 3: weekend in August. My brain keeps malfunctioning, thinking that I
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  Speaker 3: have to be ready by this weekend.
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  Speaker 1: But I have one more weekend.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. To get my act together. And what an act
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  Speaker 3: I have to get together. Because I haven't done anything.
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  Speaker 3: I haven't done a single thing. I am too stressed
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  Speaker 3: to be excited about this. I know I'll be happy
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  Speaker 3: when I'm there.
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  Speaker 1: And I am not excited at this point. I am stressed.
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  Speaker 1: I can feel it.
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  Speaker 2: I can feel it.
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  Speaker 1: But yes.
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's just like. For listeners who don't know,
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  Speaker 3: who maybe haven't listened over the past years that I've
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  Speaker 3: been doing this, I usually go Thursday night to a hotel.
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  Speaker 3: I stay in a hotel in downtown Atlanta until Monday.
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  Speaker 3: And the whole thing is just kind of exhausting. So
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  Speaker 3: it's getting prepared work-wise and cosplay-wise for this event and
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  Speaker 3: then the exhaustion after. And we have all this other
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  Speaker 3: stuff coming up, including a voyage. Virgin voyages, which we
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  Speaker 3: are going to talk about a nerdy topic, I think
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  Speaker 3: I would say. But yeah, we are from October 2nd
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  Speaker 3: to 7th from New York City to Bermuda. Adult only
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  Speaker 3: voyage with our friends at Virgin Voyages. Other podcasts, stuff
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  Speaker 3: you should know and stuff they don't want you to
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  Speaker 3: know will be there. We are going to be recording live.
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  Speaker 1: On this trip.
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  Speaker 3: And it's going to be really cool. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: going to be really fun. We'll also be around and about.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to participate in an event that everybody's welcome
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  Speaker 3: to come to. We would love to have you. So
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  Speaker 3: if you would like to learn more, you can go
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  Speaker 3: to virginvoyages.com slash stuff. But yeah, I mean, some listeners
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  Speaker 3: have met up with me at DragonCon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: So if you're coming to an event you know we'll
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  Speaker 3: be at, Just let us know. One time it was
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  Speaker 3: really awkward with this listener. I still feel bad about this.
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  Speaker 3: But I was a speaker one year at DragonCon. And
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  Speaker 3: when you're a speaker, you get a separate press badge.
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  Speaker 1: And I.
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  Speaker 3: Already had a badge. So I was able to give
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  Speaker 3: my friend that badge. But it said my name on it.
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  Speaker 3: So a listener found her and was like, Annie? And
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  Speaker 3: my friend was.
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  Speaker 1: Like, no.
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  Speaker 3: But I wasn't trying to escape or be like anonymous
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  Speaker 3: or anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's just how it worked out. But yeah. Anyway, anyway, anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Back to my stress. This is also something I've talked
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  Speaker 3: about before. It's a huge event. I think about 80,000
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  Speaker 3: people go overall over the course of it. And so
• 5:19
  Speaker 3: the Unfortunately, the society we live in, gun violence, always scared.
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  Speaker 3: COVID having a massive resurgence right now. And now I've
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  Speaker 3: got to worry about lettuce and produce. What am I
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  Speaker 3: going to eat?
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  Speaker 2: That's legitimate. That's legitimate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm literally trying to think of the safest things I
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  Speaker 3: can eat because I wear a bodysuit at DragonCon. Can
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  Speaker 3: you imagine that? something goes wrong and you're in a bodysuit.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, Lord.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, these are considerations I've got to think about. Something
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  Speaker 3: else is last year, because I go as Disco Luke Skywalker,
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  Speaker 3: I think I'm just kind of set in that cosplay.
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  Speaker 3: I do get sad because I have so many great
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  Speaker 3: cosplays and I never take them, but just the loading
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  Speaker 3: in process of all of that, got four to five
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  Speaker 3: people in one hotel room. You've got to think about space.
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  Speaker 3: But last year, my golden heels broke. And I almost
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  Speaker 3: had a really embarrassing fall.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: So this year, I wanted to go in golden tennis
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  Speaker 3: shoes because I thought it would be more comfortable. I
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  Speaker 3: spent most of the day just standing and watching other cosplays.
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  Speaker 3: They're super cute. They're really squeaky, though. They have a
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  Speaker 3: sound every step. So I've read that if I put
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  Speaker 3: baby powder in there, like, I don't know, though.
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  Speaker 2: Or if you put too much, you're going to have
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  Speaker 2: poofs of baby powder coming up from the boobs.
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  Speaker 1: That's true. You're right.
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  Speaker 2: That's happened to me. Oh, no.
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  Speaker 1: Has it really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think I was super young. I forgot what it
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  Speaker 2: was for. And I just remember, like, yep, there it goes. Poof.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, oh, I have to dump this out.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I overdid it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up. I didn't really know
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  Speaker 3: that was another concern.
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  Speaker 2: Make sure you're just like, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Careful.
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  Speaker 2: Little bits. Little goes a long way.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. Got it. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: My friend is going as Syndrome from The Incredibles. And
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  Speaker 3: we got to hang out, Samantha, my friend, and Samantha's
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  Speaker 3: partner and I last night for a wonderful dinner and
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  Speaker 3: you gave me a great matching koozie for my cosplay.
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  Speaker 2: I had to search. There are no goals. I had
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  Speaker 2: to get that specially made for you because I was like,
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  Speaker 2: and shout out to the person that did it because
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I need this immediately. So I did
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  Speaker 2: this last week because it came in my head and
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  Speaker 2: I was like, what do you need from DragonCon? And
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, she needs, I know you have them.
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  Speaker 2: I know you, but I'm like, I don't think she
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  Speaker 2: has one that matches me.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: I had to get on the search and special request
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  Speaker 2: this for you to make sure it matched your outfit.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. I immediately was like, yes, this is
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  Speaker 1: Disco Luke. It's going to match.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be great. I texted her first thing
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  Speaker 2: this morning like, did you understand my gift is not
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  Speaker 2: just a kitschy gift?
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  Speaker 1: No, I got it immediately, immediately. But anyway, we were
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  Speaker 1: hanging out at this dinner and I.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, Katie, you got to show them your hair.
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  Speaker 3: She's got this like comb thing that she puts her
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  Speaker 3: hair through.
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  Speaker 1: And it looks fantastic. It does. It looks fantastic.
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  Speaker 3: Every year she has such a great cosplay and she
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  Speaker 3: also participates a lot more in the handing out of
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  Speaker 3: ribbons and items. I don't do that, but she really does.
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  Speaker 3: So she's a hit. She's popular and I'm excited.
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  Speaker 2: To see the reaction you still haven't done your qr
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  Speaker 2: code have you.
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  Speaker 3: No i meant to so this was your idea last
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  Speaker 3: year well i had originally someone told me i should
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  Speaker 3: have a qr code where people could just scan yeah
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  Speaker 3: uh because no one knows what my cosplay is like
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  Speaker 3: i mean i'd say 10 people over all the time.
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  Speaker 1: I've been doing it. A few people. Yeah, but no
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  Speaker 1: one else.
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  Speaker 3: And so it was like, you scan the code and
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  Speaker 3: it would take you to the video that is kind
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  Speaker 3: of the origin of this whole cosplay. But you had
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  Speaker 3: the idea of getting a ribbon that said, you guessed wrong, essentially.
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  Speaker 1: Nice, in a nice way.
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  Speaker 2: Nice try.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But, yeah, I've just been so, so busy. I really,
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  Speaker 3: this weekend is going to be a real crunch for me.
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  Speaker 3: This is a big DragonCon too. It's the 40th anniversary.
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  Speaker 3: So I think they're going to really do it up
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  Speaker 3: this year. We shall see. This brings us to the
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  Speaker 3: annual What Will the Big Cosplays Be this year.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to throw out Obsession before you do.
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  Speaker 1: Blast!
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  Speaker 3: That was my first one, but I did move it
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  Speaker 3: down because, unfortunately.
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  Speaker 1: We have just recently lost Dolly Parton. That's true. And
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  Speaker 1: Tim Curry.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, Tim Curry is going to be a big one.
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  Speaker 3: You're right. Yeah, I think that those are going to be,
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  Speaker 3: that's going to be a big showing. One year I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to go, a group of my friends and I
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  Speaker 3: wanted to go as just different Tim Currys.
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  Speaker 2: I love Tim Curry.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Scared the out of me from it.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. know why i always forget he was pinning wise from.
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  Speaker 2: It he was horrifying to me as a child because
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  Speaker 2: of that one and legend i've never seen the cartoon
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  Speaker 2: the tom cruise pantsless movie i think that we need
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  Speaker 2: to come back to that yeah.
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  Speaker 3: We should put that as a feminist movie friday one
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  Speaker 3: day i have never seen this movie and i'm very
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  Speaker 3: intrigued by the whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: But bro tim curry as the devil scary He was
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  Speaker 2: the devil? Yes, I believe so.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
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  Speaker 2: I could be wrong, but I'm pretty positive. Frightening.
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  Speaker 3: I wanted to go as the long John Silver from
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  Speaker 3: Muppet Cheshire Island, Tim Curry. That was the one I wanted.
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  Speaker 2: He was darkness, but he absolutely was the devil. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's put that on the list. I've been meaning
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  Speaker 1: to figure this out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, put that on the list.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, with that and the death of Dolly Parton, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, we need to put still Magnolias. Why haven't we?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. That's true. Our list grows longer and longer.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, keep going.
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  Speaker 3: Before those unfortunate deaths happened, my first guess was Obsession.
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  Speaker 3: I think there will be someone, at least one person
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  Speaker 3: as Nikki with the flowers. in front of her face.
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  Speaker 3: And then some variation of the One-Wish Willow, I'm not
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  Speaker 3: quite sure, but I feel like someone's going to dress as, like,
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  Speaker 3: the box or something.
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  Speaker 1: You think so? Yeah. Or the hotline guy.
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  Speaker 3: I think someone's going to go as, like, the hotline guy.
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  Speaker 3: I also think, I could be wrong, but at DragonCon,
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  Speaker 3: there's a hallway where people put shrines now.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think there'll be a shrine to Sandy, the cat.
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  Speaker 2: That would make sense. Yes. That would make absolute sense.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. So it's, It's interesting because Dragon Con used to
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  Speaker 3: be every year I could tell you this is going
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  Speaker 3: to be the biggest costume. It's not like that anymore.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it's much more dispersed. So I think
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  Speaker 3: that will be a big showing. But I also think
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  Speaker 3: there will be some from the movie They Will Kill You,
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  Speaker 3: which is a fun horror.
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  Speaker 1: Movie that I talked about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I do want to see that one.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it's great. It's fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: I love the actress.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 3: I think Spider-Man will be pretty big because we've got
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  Speaker 3: the new movie, but we also have Spider-Noir came out.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that'll be stuff from that. I'm not
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: sure about this, but I'm wondering if people will come
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: as X-Men that have just recently been announced. So like
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  Speaker 3: the movie hasn't come out yet, but you could do
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  Speaker 3: some like Nikki from Obsession and Rogue movies. Like, that
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  Speaker 3: could be a fun mix-up of a costume. Also, Odyssey,
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  Speaker 3: like Spider-Man Odyssey, I'm sure there will be something.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The crossover.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say, that's the other part, too.
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  Speaker 2: I feel like it's gone beyond just what's most popular
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  Speaker 2: and easy. It has to be unique, and it needs
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  Speaker 2: to be a unique, like, tongue-in-cheek crossover. That's what I've
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  Speaker 2: seen more of than anything else when it comes to,
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  Speaker 2: especially Dragon Con, to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: And they're so creative and they're so funny. Like, some
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  Speaker 3: of them are puns I can't imagine that I didn't
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  Speaker 3: come up with. Like, how did I not see this?
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  Speaker 3: I have one at the end I'm going to share.
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  Speaker 3: I do think there's going to be, I hope, I
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  Speaker 3: hope there is one Buff the Hutt. The buff guy
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  Speaker 3: from The Mandalorian and Grogu. If there's like Buffy the
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  Speaker 3: Hutt Slayer or something I would be thrilled.
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  Speaker 1: That would be fantastic. Hysterical. I'm really hoping for that.
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  Speaker 3: I think there'll be some Mario because Mario is a
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  Speaker 3: big movie this year. My friend Katie is the anime expert.
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  Speaker 3: I don't really know that much about anime but she
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  Speaker 3: sent me a bunch of she sent me a bunch
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  Speaker 3: of stuff so I think Anime will have a good showing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: This is my big one. It's a wide category. It's
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: not one topic. But I think there's going to be
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  Speaker 3: a lot of political memes this year. So I think
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  Speaker 3: there's going to be something about the Hormone Straight. The
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  Speaker 3: Reflecting Pool. There's going to be something about that.
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  Speaker 2: Natalie, what's her name?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. The person who cuts my hair this year
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  Speaker 3: is like, someone will be that.
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  Speaker 2: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, it's yes.
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  Speaker 3: I think that's going to be a whole thing. I
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: think there's going to be some World Cup stuff. Somebody
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: is going as the grass from the Super Bowl, from
• 15:53
  Speaker 3: Bad Bunny's Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I could see Holland. Yeah, I could definitely see
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Holland costumes.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. But here's my pun.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the one I wish I was doing, but I
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  Speaker 3: don't really have time. I wanted to go as Lettuce
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  Speaker 3: Taylor's version. Yes, I thought it was great. I was
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  Speaker 3: going to get a dress that like it was flowy,
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: but the kind of ruffles looked like lettuce. And I
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: was going to hand out toilet paper. And I think
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: this is the best. And if someone doesn't do it,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: I'm going to be really devastated. It's a fantastic. And
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  Speaker 3: it only works.
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  Speaker 1: Now, hopefully. Hopefully it only works this year.
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  Speaker 3: But that, again, is the thing I do love about
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  Speaker 3: Dragon Con is those kind of creative ideas and just
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  Speaker 3: hearing what people get up to. Yeah. And I'm sure
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  Speaker 3: I'm forgetting, I think last year, the big one, Claire Obscura.
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  Speaker 3: It was a video game I'd never played. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it was for sure the biggest cosplay there. So
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure there's many areas I'm missing over because They're
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  Speaker 3: not something I've played or watched or what have you.
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  Speaker 3: I guess Fallout could be pretty big this year.
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  Speaker 1: The Boys.
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  Speaker 2: They just ended.
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  Speaker 1: The Boys, yeah. Yep, you're right.
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  Speaker 3: These are the ones that came to my mind, though.
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  Speaker 3: But I would love to hear from listeners if you
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  Speaker 3: have any thoughts. If you're going, or if not, DragonCon
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: may be a different convention where you're dressing up.
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  Speaker 1: Please, please let us know.
• 17:38
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• 17:54
  Speaker 3: executive producer, Maya.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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