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Episode #241: Dr. Malone Names Names & Judge Strips Kennedy’s Power · Beyond Labels Premium

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SPEAKER_00: The part that is very interesting to me is what Malone is revealing as he has stepped down.
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SPEAKER_02: It's a conditional thing.
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SPEAKER_02: You have to conform to the vocabulary extortion.
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SPEAKER_02: Prostitute yourself to be ex to have exposure.
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SPEAKER_00: They are advising the president that Maha is inconsequential.
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SPEAKER_02: Hello, everybody.
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SPEAKER_02: Welcome to another Beyond Labels podcast with yours truly, Joel Salatin, the dirt farmer, grass farmer, and overall lover of livestock.
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SPEAKER_02: And uh our great researcher, Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Cena McCullough.
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SPEAKER_02: Today, we're going to at least start by focusing in with this amazing, amazing announcement that's actually gotten global attention because he is a global personality.
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SPEAKER_02: Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Robert Malone's resignation from the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices, known as the ACIP, which, as many of you know, if you're following the what's happening at Health and Human Services, Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Robert um, I'm not Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Robert F.
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SPEAKER_02: Kennedy Jr.
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SPEAKER_02: Um uh basically fired all the the previous ACIP members uh due to conflicts of interest primarily, and um and appointed an entirely new panel, which has created a firestorm within HHS um Health and Human Services, and a firestorm backlash in the medical community, in everybody who loves in the pharmaceutical community, the vaccine community.
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SPEAKER_02: Um and so here to to break it down a little bit and share that both Cena and I, in full transparency, know Dr.
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SPEAKER_02: Malone personally.
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SPEAKER_02: He's been at our farm more than once.
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SPEAKER_02: I've done things with him at his place, we've done professional things together.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh and so we admit that we we have a soft place for him just because we know him as a person, not just you know, as a name on a on a uh uh on a letterhead somewhere.
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SPEAKER_02: And so um here to kind of bring us up to date on that announcement.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh Cena, tell us what you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so there's a little bit of a backstory here too, but this is a story that I wanted to share because not only has Malone stepped down from the ACIP committee and he was the vice chairman, but man, he is coming out as like a tell-all.
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SPEAKER_00: He is exposing cover-ups.
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SPEAKER_00: He's saying that, quote, I don't think the CDC is redeemable, that the secretary has been told to put a cork in it.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so he is really coming out telling us, showing us the behind the scenes.
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SPEAKER_00: So, so for those, let's get those people um updated who don't follow this on the day-to-day.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, there's the CDC made revisions in January of this of 2026.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, the centers for disease control, which is under the Health and Human Services.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, so you got Health and Human Services at a cabinet level position.
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SPEAKER_02: Under the Health and Human Services, you have the Food and Drug Administration, you have the Centers for Disease Control, and you have the National Institutes of Health.
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SPEAKER_02: What am I missing?
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SPEAKER_02: Oh, these those are three big ones.
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SPEAKER_02: Those are the big ones, those are the big ones.
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SPEAKER_02: And and so just to make sure everybody's with us on the hierarchy here.
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SPEAKER_02: So Centers for Disease Control, CDC.
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SPEAKER_02: Now, go ahead.
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SPEAKER_02: Okay, so I'm here.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm here, Cena, to to keep your intellectual capacity from over our our uh our our peasants' understanding.
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SPEAKER_02: All right, go ahead.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, and you do the same for me for agriculture, so it's a win-win here.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it is.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So in January, um, there was a then acting director, Jim O'Neill, and he under him the vaccine schedule was revised.
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SPEAKER_00: And the reason it was revised is because he looked at um analyses from the NIH, the FDA, and scientists across several federal agencies.
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SPEAKER_00: And what he found and reported was that the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: is a global outlier when it comes to vaccines.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, he said that we recommend more childhood vaccines than any peer nation and more than twice as many doses as some European countries, but the US does not have better health outcomes.
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SPEAKER_00: So, what they did was revise the schedule from 17 federally recommended vaccines to 11 for all children.
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SPEAKER_00: It moved the remaining six to either a high risk or a shared clinical decision-making category.
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SPEAKER_00: No vaccines were actually eliminated from the schedule.
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SPEAKER_00: No vaccines were made illegal, and no insurance coverage actually changed.
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SPEAKER_00: But what happened was there was then a lawsuit.
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SPEAKER_00: So the American Academy of Pediatrics, the AAP, and seven other medical trade organizations initiated a lawsuit.
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SPEAKER_00: They sued the Department of Health and Human Services, HHS, and Secretary Kennedy.
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SPEAKER_00: They argued that the CDC bypassed um legal requirements to consult with the ACIP committee before making these changes.
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SPEAKER_00: Of course, Malone was on this ACIP committee.
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SPEAKER_00: So what was interesting off the bat is that when the AAP and others filed this case, they did it in Massachusetts.
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SPEAKER_00: So Massachusetts only requires immunization against nine diseases for children, even though the new, newly revised schedule was recommending um 11.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And again, it didn't remove the 17.
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SPEAKER_00: It was recommending 11.
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SPEAKER_00: And Massachusetts, where the case was filed, only recommended nine.
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SPEAKER_00: California recommends 10.
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SPEAKER_00: And again, O'Neill was recommending 11.
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SPEAKER_00: But the A, the American Academy of Pediatrics called this a very dark day for children.
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SPEAKER_00: So already you're like, well, why didn't they just sue Massachusetts for California?
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, they recommend even less of childhood vaccines than what this new schedule recommended.
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SPEAKER_00: So it was already a red flag.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, what's going on here?
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SPEAKER_00: You know?
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SPEAKER_00: Um, so what's happened is that that judge just made his ruling.
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SPEAKER_00: And what he said was that he blocked these changes.
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SPEAKER_00: He blocked Kennedy's changes to the U.S.
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SPEAKER_00: vaccination schedule.
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SPEAKER_00: And uh he said that the reason that he blocked him is because the CDC has to legally get the advice from this ACIP committee before they can make changes to the vaccination schedule.
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SPEAKER_00: Now that's technically not even true.
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SPEAKER_00: There there is no legal provision that exists that says the CDC has to ask the ACIP committee first for its advice.
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SPEAKER_00: So this was the first time in CDC history that this is being demanded of the CDC.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: The existing provision says that CDC itself gets to decide.
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SPEAKER_00: So then what the what the court did was it went one step further.
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SPEAKER_00: So now, okay, so so you can't have this newly revised schedule, even though it's based on all this science from our own um US agencies and data, um, because you have to ask this committee for approval first.
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SPEAKER_00: Then it said, but okay, the approval the committee is not valid.
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SPEAKER_00: So what what Kennedy could have done was after if the ruling was just that first part, he could have said, okay, ACIP committee, go meet up, discuss this deliberate, and approve it, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Give me the final approval.
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SPEAKER_00: But instead, what what the judge said was, oh no, no, your ACIP committee is not valid.
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SPEAKER_00: It violates the Federal Advisory Committee Act because it is not fair and balanced.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so first of all, there's never been a fair and balanced um ACIP committee, right?
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SPEAKER_00: There's always been conflicts of interest, which is why Kennedy went in and removed them.
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SPEAKER_00: But second of second of all, when when the American Academy of Pediatrics brought forth this challenge, they didn't challenge the three members on the committee that voted for the um universal recommendations of so basically there's three members that said, no, we should keep all the recommendations.
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SPEAKER_00: So the AAP didn't have a problem with those people because they thought they were fair and balanced.
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SPEAKER_00: It's the other ones, the other committee members who who basically voted for shared decision making, which means literally you can still have access to these vaccines.
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SPEAKER_00: The government will still pay for them, but we're encouraging you to talk to your um healthcare provider before you get before you give these to your children.
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SPEAKER_00: That's it.
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SPEAKER_00: So they said that that's not fair and balanced, even though that is the precedent in the UK, in Japan, and in 17 European Union nations.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so they're following the precedent of these other countries that have less vaccines and actually have better outcomes.
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SPEAKER_00: So there's already that's strange.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, so who defines who who defines fair and balanced?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, and this is not documented of who what does that mean to be fair and balanced?
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SPEAKER_02: Um just so we don't get ahead of ourselves.
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SPEAKER_02: Uh I thought that there were, you know, this, I don't.
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SPEAKER_02: I thought that there were something like 67 vaccines now recommended, like before you're 18 or some such thing.
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SPEAKER_02: So these the this is a special class of of what toddler vaccines or you know, vaccines for little children?
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SPEAKER_00: No, it's the dosages.
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SPEAKER_00: So when you hear that's that number cited, people will cite anywhere anywhere between like 60 and 70 something, it's number of dosages that's that they're saying.
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SPEAKER_00: So you get multiple dosages of the vaccines and in combination, and that's one of the big um talking points that the ACP committee was discussing was that they don't not only is there lack of you know placebo control trials, um, truly placebo controlled trials, but there's lack of um evidence to suggest what happens when you combine the vaccines together and so many doses.
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SPEAKER_02: Back to the cocktail, the cocktail question.
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SPEAKER_02: Nothing uh because of reductionist linear uh compartmentalized scientific method, it's very, very difficult to test things in multiples with plurals.
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SPEAKER_02: You have you test things one at a time, one by one by one, and that's how you actually you know come up with um you know whatever efficacy, but they're they're never administered this way.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: Same as in pesticides, herbicides, chemical fertilizers, they're all tested one at a time on mice, but then uh when they're uh when they're actually used, it's a cocktail because the farmer doesn't want to have to run over his field three times.
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SPEAKER_02: So we put the herbicide with the pesticide with the chemical fertilizer and we make this cocktail.
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SPEAKER_02: And that is never, never.
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SPEAKER_02: If if our listener, any listener who understands this, who who gets the cocktail message, will be in the top 1% of American understanding of um of toxicity testing.
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SPEAKER_00: That's exactly right.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know, even the Institute of Medicine, the IOM, remember I reported on that several months ago and the conflicts of interest there, even amongst vaccines.
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SPEAKER_00: So they even stated in like two different reports, I believe, that that nobody has looked at the combination of the vaccines together and said that they should do it.
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SPEAKER_00: So this wasn't a new thing.
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SPEAKER_00: Like there's agencies that are saying this in the US.
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SPEAKER_00: So if so, if you're following what I'm saying here, what this means is that right now, these seven trade organizations and this judge, in essence, have more control over federal vaccine policy than the CDC director, the HHS secretary, and the thousands of federal scientists all combined that are giving them this data.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh a judge, so it so let me um let me tell you why that is.
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SPEAKER_00: So um legally, that means with this ruling that no CDC director, the HHS secretary, and no future administration can change a vaccine recommendation without first getting approval from this part-time advisory committee.
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SPEAKER_00: The there's one judge, the one judge that currently is overseeing this federal vaccine policy making, then Kennedy needs that judge's approval before he can appoint committee members.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so they have to the judge has to be like, yes, this is fair and balanced, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And then the CDC, once that's once that's in place, the CDC director has to now demonstrate that he has sufficiently and adequately conversed and got recommendations from the ACIP, which is this part-time advisory committee.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So think of and that's crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: That is a crazy consequence.
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SPEAKER_00: It means the judicial, there's judicial, the judicial system now has control over the executive branch staffing.
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SPEAKER_02: Yes, yes, and of course, that judge is going to turn determine if a recommendation to the committee, to the oversight committee, is uh fair and balanced.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_02: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: So uh they seem to be doing this too.
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SPEAKER_00: Like when um not and I am not someone sitting here, like, you know, promoting what Trump's doing in any capacity, but what I'm saying is there's a pattern here that Doge and Trump, as they're doing things, like even trying to cut um waste out of the budget, and then it gets challenged in court.
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SPEAKER_00: And, you know, it depends on what judge you get that says what what the powers are.
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SPEAKER_00: But now the judge is basically saying this is in my power, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so so where it stands right now, and then I want to get into what Malone is talking about, where it stands right now is that mean the routine vaccine schedule they previously had has been restored.
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SPEAKER_00: There are some vaccines that are in limbo, like the flu vaccine and the COVID vaccine, because those are updated annually.
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SPEAKER_00: And right now, the CDC director can't do that.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, they've taken the power away, so they can't update them.
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SPEAKER_00: They remain on the market still, but physicians and pharmacists in some states are becoming wary of actually administering them.
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SPEAKER_00: So um, so they are protected from liability from administering the COVID vaccine under the PrEP Act if the CDC and the ACIP recommend it.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Malone said in a recent interview that the ACIP was likely going to vote very soon on whether or not to remove the authority under the PrEP Act.
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SPEAKER_00: Like they were kind of going to revoke that so that they weren't covered from liability if they administered the COVID jab.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that he is insinuating that that's possibly a motivation for what has happened here.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh now on the second part of this, some states allow vaccines to be recommended and administered by outside organizations, like the American Academy of Pediatrics, the one that brought the lawsuits, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So we're coming right back to this whole thing.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like they've frozen this, you know, the whole HHS Kennedy, they've frozen their ability to do anything at the heist of AAP and these other pharmaceutical companies.
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SPEAKER_00: And basically, it's like it gives the AAP um an ability to upsell now.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, oh, you only wanted to have um 11 vaccines that were definitely required.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, we want the original schedule because the original schedule is even more than most states.
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SPEAKER_00: So they can say, well, this is on the schedule, and even the judge agrees with us that these are important vaccines for your child to get, you know, so it's like an upselling um tactic, uh marketing tactic that um, and I don't know if they did that intentionally, but I'm saying this is now what it has become.
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SPEAKER_00: So if it was intentional, then wow, how um impressive of a marketing scam that they're running here.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, a judge has backdas, and you know, you need these.
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SPEAKER_00: So, anyhow, that that's where that sits right now.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, today in the news, so this is April 7th, when we recorded this.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, Kennedy has come out and he took the advice of attorney Aaron Seary.
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SPEAKER_00: You may remember him, he represents Informed Consent Action Network, um, which is, you know, um we're part of Dell Bigtree's um efforts.
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SPEAKER_00: And Aaron sent a letter to Kennedy, to HHS, saying you need to revamp the charter.
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SPEAKER_00: So basically, because the judge said that your people are not qualified to be on this committee, one of the recommendations Aaron Siri gave was revamp the charter, then the committee charter, and broaden the requirements to be one of the city members.
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SPEAKER_00: And Kennedy did do that.
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SPEAKER_00: He um broadened it to list other uh specialties like toxicology and biostatistics.
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SPEAKER_00: So he's doing something, but uh right now, as of right now, the Trump administration has not appealed the judge's ruling.
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SPEAKER_00: They have a 60-day window to do so um based on when this ruling came down.
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SPEAKER_00: So we'll keep you posted, see what's happening.
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SPEAKER_00: But the part that is very interesting to me is what Malone is revealing as he has stepped down.
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SPEAKER_00: So he said so.
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SPEAKER_00: Not only did he say that the CDC is not redeemable at this point, but you know, basically they're trying to silence Kennedy.
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SPEAKER_00: So here's a direct quote from him that the the point of this statement that he made is that the internal pollsters, you know, so the people polling the public that are within um these polls are within the the White House, they are advising the president that Maha is inconsequential.
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SPEAKER_00: So they are advising the president that uh in in his words, about two to five percent of the entire electorate that will come out to vote for Republican candidates in the midterm, only two to five percent of them are Maha supporters.
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SPEAKER_00: Like so what they're saying is the they're not gonna carry enough weight in the midterm election for Trump to get behind the the Maha talking points.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, did I explain that okay?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah, I I think I think we have, and I think it I think that is becoming obvious with every passing day, Cena, that the that um Trump is uh is is um pushing.
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SPEAKER_02: Well, I mean, I mean what the the pot the podcast that we just did on what what was the 47 47 people in the Trump administration that are that have uh direct payroll or working history with Bayer Corporation.
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SPEAKER_02: We we did that with our podcast about the glyphosate, the um the executive order regarding glyphosate, the amount of people.
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SPEAKER_02: And so um so the the truth is that in in in this country, um, notwithstanding your efforts and my efforts, the majority of people still believe health comes from vaccines, and anything that reduces vaccines or the pharmaceutical industry is a is a um what you is a negative, is a cultural negative in in the country.
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SPEAKER_02: And Trump is a politician, and so he's putting his finger to the wind.
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SPEAKER_02: That's what his pollsters are saying, and um and I, you know, I I don't doubt that he's that that they're correct.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so on that point, um, so Del Bigtree has come out and said that he thinks those polls are wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: He thinks they're skewing those polls because they're different than polls he's seen.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, this there's so much variability in polls, it depends on who you're polling and when you're polling them.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know, so I I don't put much at much of my weight into polls, but the point is the White House seems to be putting weight into To it.
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SPEAKER_00: So I don't know where the actual American population stands, but um that but they're following it.
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SPEAKER_00: So this is the quote from Malone.
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SPEAKER_00: And I will tell you this is exactly what I said when the glyphosate executive order came down from Trump saying that now glyphosate is part of our national defense.
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SPEAKER_00: Like no one can really touch it, right?
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SPEAKER_00: I said on one of those original first podcasts, if you recall, that this is a political decision based on the midterms.
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SPEAKER_00: The glyphosate isn't important enough of an issue, but drugs are.
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SPEAKER_00: So he can't take the drugs, you know, away from the American public.
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SPEAKER_00: Malone just affirmed that, that because that's the pattern they're following.
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SPEAKER_00: He just affirmed that with this vaccine issue, and this is what he said quote, there has been a strategic political decision that the Maha coalition and the people that you represent, talking to Dell Victory here, are an inconsequential minority that will not impact the midterms.
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SPEAKER_00: The midterms are a crisis.
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SPEAKER_00: And the internal polling in the White House is that vaccine controversy is a losing issue at the midterm, and we just need to shut off all discussion.
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SPEAKER_00: And if you remember, RFK Jr.
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SPEAKER_00: came out on Rogan's show right after the glyphosate executive order came down and he backed it, and he didn't talk about vaccines.
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SPEAKER_00: Like they talked about so many of the things.
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SPEAKER_00: They talked about um the glyphosate order, they talked about the precision agriculture with the new, you know, flashy laser technology that's going to be used, and they talked about Trump's um effort, first president in history, to get drug prices down, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So it's all the dots are starting to connect.
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SPEAKER_00: Malone said, We've been thrown under the bus.
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SPEAKER_00: So at a later interview, I heard from him, people are asking, like, well, where is this coming from?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, who is the one that's driving this?
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SPEAKER_00: And he mentioned he mentioned two people.
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SPEAKER_00: He said, Um, Heidi Overton, who is um Marty, um, so you know, Marty Mackery, who's the commissioner of food and drugs.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, Overton was Marty's former postdoc.
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SPEAKER_00: And he said that Overton has been a major factor in shutting um shutting down um to sh a major factor in getting people to stop talking and about the vaccines.
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SPEAKER_00: Um he's saying that Marty himself, this one this one was very upsetting to a lot of people.
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SPEAKER_00: Marty himself is involved.
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SPEAKER_00: And you know, a lot of people like Marty Macri.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, a lot of people were excited when he was in that position.
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SPEAKER_00: But what Malone is saying is that there's been a cover-up.
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SPEAKER_00: So for example, the there's been falsification of data and suppression of data in terms of even just the COVID vaccine.
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SPEAKER_00: He said the data for the the COVID vaccine death rates among children is being blocked.
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SPEAKER_00: So they're saying that the um he has seen the data, allegedly the committee has seen the data, and the government won't let them talk about it.
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SPEAKER_00: And when asked who is blocking this data, he said Marty.
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SPEAKER_00: So what's happened is there's uh a while ago, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Tracy um Beth Haig, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Tracy Haig found a handful of cases that was reported in the VARS database.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, this is the vaccine adverse reaction um database where if you get injured, you can put your injury in the database.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, what she did was she went through the database and she found a handful of cases where children had died, and she, quote, incontrovertibly um proved that these deaths were caused from the vaccine.
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SPEAKER_00: Subsequently, Dr.
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SPEAKER_00: Prasad confirmed this in an FDA memo where she said, quote, at least 10 children have died after and because of receiving COVID-19 vaccination.
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SPEAKER_00: Malone said that the current leadership is not willing to allow that information to become public.
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SPEAKER_00: He said that what you can talk about is the lab leak, the COVID lab leak.
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SPEAKER_00: That's why that story has exploded under Trump.
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SPEAKER_00: And now we know the evidence behind that.
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SPEAKER_00: But he said you cannot still talk about adverse reactions or the real data.
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SPEAKER_00: It is still being censored.
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SPEAKER_00: Trump is still championing that these mRNA products are one of his greatest achievements.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Which explains some of why we get censored as well when we talk about these things.
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SPEAKER_00: They still, even though they're saying that the censorship is gone, it's not.
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SPEAKER_00: That was one of Malone's things, too, is that you would not underbelieve the amount of control that they try to maintain over the people in government and including this advisory committee on immunization practices, where they've been told they specifically can't say things.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, and he said he was just he's done with it.
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SPEAKER_00: Even if they ask him to come back, he's done.
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SPEAKER_00: He said, quote, this is a hot mess.
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SPEAKER_00: He said, and he's actually been looking forward to um, he's been looking for a way out actually for months.
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SPEAKER_00: He said they've been treated like chattel, they're disrespected by the government, they tell you what to say, they tell you how to say it.
27:35
SPEAKER_00: Meanwhile, he and other members of the committee have taken such backlash, they've lost grants, they've been isolated professionally.
27:43
SPEAKER_00: Um that, you know, there's like no regard to the sacrifice and just the amount of hours that they put in on this voluntary committee and they're being thrown under the bus.
27:54
SPEAKER_02: I think I think the average person, Cena, uh I um I might be a little above average on this, just some of the things that I've been involved in and asked to do, and so enough to just see a glimpse of it.
28:08
SPEAKER_02: But the messaging choreography uh that is dictated when you are on these panels, committees, things.
28:25
SPEAKER_02: Uh I mean, there is a list of taboos.
28:31
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I remember and and it's it's in so many things.
28:35
SPEAKER_02: I remember well when I was interviewed uh by Martha Stewart, actually, on the Martha Stewart show.
28:41
SPEAKER_00: Uh I didn't know that.
28:43
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, after uh what is after I I don't know whether it was uh after Omnivorce Dilemma or Food Inc., but it was one of those.
28:52
SPEAKER_02: And um they flew me up, Martha Stewart, and I did the uh Martha Stewart show.
28:58
SPEAKER_02: And as I walked into the studio, her lieutenant handed me a paper, handed me a sheet of paper of prohibited words.
29:09
SPEAKER_02: Prohibited words.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: So here we are.
29:13
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
29:14
SPEAKER_02: You know, um, you know, uh I I don't even remember what what they I don't even remember what they were now, but yeah, they were things like they were things like I could not say the word subsidy.
29:26
SPEAKER_02: I could not say the word, I could not say the word um um um concentrated animal feeding operation.
29:34
SPEAKER_02: I could not it was it was it was a whole list.
29:36
SPEAKER_02: It was, you know, like 20 words that that that I was prohibited.
29:40
SPEAKER_02: In other words, if I had looked at that list and said, you know what?
29:46
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna I'm gonna use these whenever it's necessary.
29:49
SPEAKER_02: It's just the way I'd speak, and that's it.
29:51
SPEAKER_02: They wouldn't have had me on the program.
29:53
SPEAKER_02: So what you do is you, so you know, I looked at the list and I said, Well, I think I can do it without this, you know, and looking back on it, this is the slippery slope you get in.
30:02
SPEAKER_02: You know, they you you go in and and you're oh it's so I mean, and I'm a guest with Martha Stewart, you know, this is so cool.
30:09
SPEAKER_02: And you go in and then you get this, you get the it's it's a conditional, it's a conditional thing.
30:15
SPEAKER_02: You you have to you have to uh conform to the um to the vocabulary extortion in order to prostitute yourself to be ex to to have exposure.
30:32
SPEAKER_02: I'm I'm I'm using a bunch of big words there, but but you you know it it it's you basically become a mercenary.
30:38
SPEAKER_02: You become you become a mercenary to the system.
30:41
SPEAKER_02: The the uh the lure, the the allure of the publicity is so strong in the human psyche.
30:51
SPEAKER_02: I mean, who doesn't want to get, you know, who doesn't want to be told you're a great person, right?
30:55
SPEAKER_02: And and and so so the the allure of being able to move up a notch in that in that platform, that sphere sucks you in to all these conditions on your own um on your own authenticity.
31:20
SPEAKER_02: And then there comes this time where you realize it's too much.
31:25
SPEAKER_02: Or or or you or you you you bow, you go along with it until you until you can't get out, because now you've compromised yourself so much that you can't get out.
31:37
SPEAKER_02: I mean, th those are kind of the the the two kind of things, and of course you and I both know what happens normally is the second the second thing.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: You do you go along, you go along, you go along, and before you know you're in over your head, and now and now you're you're having to cover up yourself.
31:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
31:57
SPEAKER_02: Right.
31:58
SPEAKER_02: And and uh and it it it's it's too late to back out.
32:01
SPEAKER_02: And so what what Dr.
32:02
SPEAKER_02: Robert Malone did was he got out before he had to invest more time and energy in the convoluted messaging to justify what he where he was and what he was doing.
32:21
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
32:22
SPEAKER_00: I was hard.
32:24
SPEAKER_00: Yes, yeah.
32:25
SPEAKER_00: I um I actually was excited to see him leave that position because you could see in subsequent interviews before this happened, um, how how much it was bringing him down.
32:41
SPEAKER_00: You know, you could just see the difficulty behind it.
32:43
SPEAKER_00: And like you said, so often, even if it's for a good reason, like sometimes people stay in the game because they're like, well, the message has to get out there.
32:53
SPEAKER_00: Like I want to do good.
32:55
SPEAKER_00: And even though I have to speak this way to this crowd and speak that way to that crowd, you know, maybe change the message just a little.
33:04
SPEAKER_00: It's just a word or two.
33:05
SPEAKER_00: And so it's still more important to get the message out there.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: And what happens is, like you said, you slowly become somebody different, like because what you say, what what you're speaking, becomes who you are.
33:20
SPEAKER_00: It's just like the Bible says, who you be careful who you're around, you will become like them.
33:24
SPEAKER_00: So you start to change, and then you start to be like, oh, well, maybe that other side is not that bad.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: Like I've seen this happen.
33:30
SPEAKER_00: It's like the slippery slope with people.
33:32
SPEAKER_00: And what Malone did was, in spite of, I mean, he's arguably one of the most famous people now.
33:38
SPEAKER_00: Like people know his name because of the COVID thing, you know, like this is an international story here that we're talking about.
33:44
SPEAKER_00: So to imagine that you're like at the height of your career, right?
33:49
SPEAKER_00: People turn their head when they when they hear his name.
33:52
SPEAKER_00: They're like, oh, Malone, what's he saying now?
33:54
SPEAKER_00: You know, to be able to walk away from that is truly incredible because power really can corrupt, and it can be so subtle in the way that it corrupts somebody.
34:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, it reminds me of George Washington, how he walked away from the presidency after two terms because he didn't want to be a king, right?
34:16
SPEAKER_00: He was like, we didn't fight this and all this sacrifice just so we could have another king.
34:22
SPEAKER_00: Like, not that Robert Malone is uh is what is George Washington.
34:26
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying it's a similar concept of you know, let's step down.
34:32
SPEAKER_00: And him stepping down carries a much bigger weight than if he had continued forward and tried to, you know, make that committee not corrupt anymore.
34:47
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, well, well, the the thing is, you know, you sign these um I've got an inter I've got a uh um a little bit of a rabbit trail, but it's very related.
34:58
SPEAKER_02: So I got contacted by a big uh European outfit to do a uh a major consulting thing, a major international consulting thing for you know multi-multi-million billion dollar outfits.
35:12
SPEAKER_02: And part of the um they they wanted to put me on their cadre of um of advisors.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: And you know, oh uh that's kind of cool, you know, this is neat.
35:28
SPEAKER_02: And um so they sent me a confidentiality test.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: So so this was a this was a test with various scenarios, little, little um, imagine little little uh story vignettes, you know, a couple paragraphs, um, setting up a scenario, and then um can you talk can can you talk about this or not?
35:56
SPEAKER_02: Can you talk about this or not?
35:57
SPEAKER_02: You know, it was testing your ability to understand confidentiality and non-disclosure, okay.
36:07
SPEAKER_02: It was hilarious.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: I everything I wasn't supposed to talk about, I wanted to.
36:15
SPEAKER_02: And everything I didn't think was worth talking about, they said was you know, uh, they said was fine.
36:21
SPEAKER_02: In other words, I was completely opposite.
36:23
SPEAKER_02: Everything, and so I I said, obviously, you know, I'm not your guy.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: I can't, I I can't conform to this kind of uh idiocy.
36:32
SPEAKER_02: Uh whatever, whatever the thinking is behind what's okay and what's not.
36:36
SPEAKER_02: And you know, I'm sure you're supposed to, I'm sure there's a probably a whole course on this at business schools, you know, where you go and you and you and you learn what is you know what is acceptable or not.
36:46
SPEAKER_02: But um this whole you know secrecy thing, I mean, I get secrecy in poker and in, you know, war and different things.
36:53
SPEAKER_02: I mean, there are there are certainly places to be secret and you don't hang out your family's dirty laundry in front of everybody.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: I I get all that.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: But when you're when you're in a a when you're in a an supposedly a public service situation, I just think there almost shouldn't be any confidentiality whatsoever.
37:16
SPEAKER_02: I mean, none.
37:18
SPEAKER_02: None.
37:19
SPEAKER_02: Um, because you're you're serving you're serving these these people.
37:23
SPEAKER_02: Now, you know, if you're a if you're a pastor and you're a marriage consultant, yeah, that's confidential.
37:28
SPEAKER_02: Okay, I I get that.
37:29
SPEAKER_02: Doctor patient, I get that.
37:31
SPEAKER_02: Lawyer, you know, counsel, I get that.
37:34
SPEAKER_02: But those are not those are not what we're talking about here.
37:38
SPEAKER_02: We're we're talking about um how how the policy of the nation's health in the public space gets handled.
37:53
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and you're you're talking about a schedule that affects every family.
37:57
SPEAKER_00: Yes, this affects everybody.
37:59
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, absolutely.
38:00
SPEAKER_00: I mean, because the you know, um, they focus on the children's vaccination schedule, but you know, they recommend the schedule for children and adults.
38:09
SPEAKER_00: So, I mean, like this affects everybody.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: So it should be public.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: We should be able to see like these transcripts, who's saying what at these meetings, what are they actually talking about?
38:20
SPEAKER_00: What evidence are they actually using?
38:22
SPEAKER_00: Like, so we can make informed choices, but that's the whole point is that there's just there's so much secrecy, and now it's like they they don't want us to see behind the the curtain.
38:35
SPEAKER_00: I mean, do you imagine how how much trust that if anybody still trusts the government, it would just be squashed.
38:42
SPEAKER_00: Like, once you see what's happening behind there, yeah, yeah.
38:46
SPEAKER_00: And you know, um, Malone said, and I agree with this, he said, so so here's like one of the biggest takeaways is that um, you know, the administration has it moves very fast, right?
38:58
SPEAKER_00: So so don't think about it in terms of even just vaccines.
39:01
SPEAKER_00: Trump's administration in general moved uh has moved very fast from the moment they got to the office, right?
39:07
SPEAKER_00: Um you know, it's like you you really have to watch the news all the time to just keep up with it.
39:13
SPEAKER_00: And everybody even said at the time, that's intentional, right?
39:17
SPEAKER_00: They want to move it that fast.
39:19
SPEAKER_00: So like the other side doesn't have time to respond about what hit them next, you know, because you Trump's on to the next thing, and they're like three topics behind, right?
39:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what they're doing to Maha.
39:33
SPEAKER_00: They're intentionally, it's moving fast, there's things happening.
39:37
SPEAKER_00: Even I have to sit here, I have all these different pages of notes.
39:40
SPEAKER_00: You just see my desk, all these different notes of categories that I'm trying to stay up to date in because so many things in the food and the health space move so fast.
39:49
SPEAKER_00: Like it's slowing down now with the courts.
39:51
SPEAKER_00: It moves so fast, it's hard for anyone to keep up with.
39:54
SPEAKER_00: So they're moving it fast and also with the intention of fragmenting us.
40:00
SPEAKER_00: So to fragment the people themselves and to fragment our focus.
40:04
SPEAKER_00: Because if you can fragment the focus in the people, you can't get enough momentum behind any one issue.
40:11
SPEAKER_00: Okay, so for example, this um, I just saw this come across my email today.
40:18
SPEAKER_00: While the rest of us are talking about Malone stepping down and pulling the curtains back, you know, again, I said international story.
40:27
SPEAKER_00: Do you know what the Maha Media Action Hub is talking about this week?
40:32
SPEAKER_00: Microplastics.
40:34
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
40:35
SPEAKER_00: So move on, like nothing to see here.
40:38
SPEAKER_00: Let's move on to the next topic.
40:40
SPEAKER_00: You know, microplastics.
40:41
SPEAKER_00: Seriously, microplastics.
40:43
SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm not downplaying that those have some role, but more so than glyphosate or this, what just happened that Malone's exposing here.
40:50
SPEAKER_00: Like, come on, people.
40:52
SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, uh, you know, he like he said, we're being thrown under the bus, like we're being played the fool intentionally.
41:00
SPEAKER_00: Not me.
41:01
SPEAKER_00: We we are not aligned, like we are not attached to that movement.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying we like Kennedy, the Maha movement.
41:06
SPEAKER_02: Like Yeah, the well, the the the country and especially the the Maha movement, and which is this this is why the I mean, I I think this reasoning, and and you know, and I've met people, I I know this is true because power power is intoxicating.
41:23
SPEAKER_02: It it is intoxicating.
41:25
SPEAKER_02: And and um so you know, I I know everybody's shaking their heads over why RFK Jr.
41:35
SPEAKER_02: endorsed the executive order for glyphosate being a you know a national security uh brand.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: Um I'm not sure, but I think that might be the only brand in the history of the U.S.
41:47
SPEAKER_02: that's ever that's a specific brand that's gotten elevated to national security status.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: I'm not sure there's any other specific brand that's ever gotten elevated to that status.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: But anyway, without regard to that, you know, why why did he say this?
42:04
SPEAKER_02: So I'm I'm trying to put myself, giving him the benefit of the doubt.
42:08
SPEAKER_02: Here's where the intoxication of power comes.
42:10
SPEAKER_02: So he's sitting there and he's saying, Well, I'm having I'm having success, you know, over here, um, I'm having success over here, I'm having success over here.
42:20
SPEAKER_02: And um and and and Trump wants me to endorse his executive order.
42:26
SPEAKER_02: Uh, man, I don't like it.
42:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm totally opposed to it, but I'm having success in these three areas, so I'll go ahead and play along with this one that I don't agree with in order to continue with the three that I think I'm having some success with.
42:42
SPEAKER_02: You know, that that's the kind of of conscience and ethical gymnastics that that go on in a mind.
42:50
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not an RFK junior enemy.
42:52
SPEAKER_02: I I I deeply appreciate him.
42:54
SPEAKER_02: Um uh but but those kinds of gymnastics happen.
43:01
SPEAKER_02: I mean, I'm I remember one of our Virginia delegates, uh, our our own delegate here, we had a we had an issue um in a general assembly here in Virginia, and um he voted he voted uh one way when it came out of committee, which we were all our side was really happy about.
43:20
SPEAKER_02: And then when it came before the full um House of Delegates, he voted against it.
43:27
SPEAKER_02: And I went to his office afterwards.
43:29
SPEAKER_02: I said, What's the what's the deal here?
43:31
SPEAKER_02: You voted for it, and then you voted against it.
43:35
SPEAKER_02: Same bill, same wording.
43:36
SPEAKER_02: He said, Well, that way I could tell both sides I was in I was for them and and I could get I could get favor in both sides.
43:44
SPEAKER_02: I mean he just he just said it to me outright, you know, just at least he was honest.
43:49
SPEAKER_02: At least he was honest.
43:50
SPEAKER_02: He's now in the U.S.
43:51
SPEAKER_02: Congress.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: Um gosh.
43:53
unknown: Oh no.
43:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
43:55
SPEAKER_02: Uh but but you know, I I think I think the pressure, the pressure in these vaulted positions and what people um what people have to promise to protect to protect on one side and to give up on the other I think the average person who's never like I say I haven't been in those I I've been I've been I've I've touched those things a few times in my life and it is it is a it is a terrible thing because you're you're on eggshells um you know can I say this can I not say this are we being recorded are we not being recorded uh you know it's a it it's a crazy it's a crazy situation and I just um you know I'm a pretty transparent person I don't like secrets and most people don't like secrets yeah yeah talk about trying to fight to be genuine and not sit in that place of fear you know that's a good word genuine yeah that's that's a good word yeah um speaking which so two quick comments about um one is that um it will come as no surprise to our listeners that you know the American Academy of Pediatrics as I said was the one who sued along with some other you know um players but if you look on their own site so the American Academy of Pediatrics website if you look under current corporate and organizational sponsors they proudly list pharmaceutical companies like Pfizer Moderna Merck Mead Johnson Abbott I mean they are listed in the president's circle meaning they have donated$50,000 and above and what they say is um this what they this is a direct quote from their website supporters help us advance our mission but they do not influence it the AAP maintains full independence in its policies content and leadership decisions okay but yet they're going to bat here you know for for the pharmaceutical companies but um to your point I looked it up while you're talking about your question of whether glyphosate is the only product that's ever been elevated under the Defense Production Act.
46:24
SPEAKER_00: So uh actually I'm finding that there's a historical precedent of using the Cold War era authority to protect industries deemed essential to national defense.
46:34
SPEAKER_00: So not exactly the same as this one, but I'll give you a couple examples.
46:39
SPEAKER_02: So medical supplies in 2020 during the pandemic DPA was used to designate ventilators um N95 masks and other resources that were essential to national security um allowed government to force companies like GM and 3M to prioritize government contracts over private sales so you know similar a little different but similar well it's it's it's actually I think it's pretty different because those are actual those are actual sectors of of the sectors of society this is actually a product a single product keep going so one of them was okay yeah I want you to um because these are ones that come up when you search online so debunk these so the next one's 2022 electric vehicle battery materials minerals like lithium nickel cobalt graphite and manganese were designated under the DPA the reasoning was the reliance on foreign adversaries specifically China for these materials posed a direct threat to both the energy transition and military technology so it's not a specific product though right but it's it's still not a specific product it's a it's a sector it's a sector of the economy it's not a specific product and it certainly isn't a brand I mean I realize that glyphosate is now manufactured by other people besides Bayer but but it's a it it it is not a it is not a sector like they didn't say herbicides they didn't say insecticides yeah they they picked one it it it's like it's like um it's like the difference between picking uh crest toothpaste and saying toothpaste is a national security versus crest yes um and so that's an excellent point because the last two on this list are exactly what you're saying it's semiconductors so it's microchips but they're not calling out something specific and then it's infant formula this was during the 2022 shortage dpa was invoked to ensure they received the raw ingredients but there it didn't call out a specific formula so you're right it's this is very different uh from what I'm seeing here in this quick search this is unique yeah it would be equivalent to to to in the infant formula saying uh infomil or similar right you're picking picking a brand to my knowledge this is the first time a specific product a specific product has ever been designated this that's that's a that's um profound that's profound it's and it's very revealing it is very revealing is there anything else we're missing here i've i've got my question for the day no i think we're good we're about out of time yeah we're um you and i both think that rober malone is truly um an honorable wonderful man and i hope i hope now that he's out um he i hope he has enough money to hire a bodyguard and i hope that he will scream from the roof to rooftops his his story because um i i think i think most americans are literally asleep at the wheel um on on these on these issues and it's because we've got more we've got stuff to work we gotta pay our bills we gotta put shoes on our kids' feet you know we we we don't have time to live in that space so thank you for bringing to our attention so here here let me say real fast and actually so I've never met him so I don't actually know him you're the only one of us that has met him so so but I trust you you're a good judge of character you know but yeah I haven't had that privilege now if Malone happens to hear this and wants to come on our show that would be great like yeah yeah yeah well he's been here at the farm and I've been at his house uh I've been at his house over I mean he doesn't live that far away he just lives over in uh Culpepper so he's only you know an hour and 15 minutes from me and uh yeah great maybe you can get him to come to our summit yeah that'd be good all right here's here's my here's my thought for today Sina after we've looked at this so when you look at the when you look at the Maha issues at the Maha issues there's no doubt in my mind let me ask you Sina uh what do you think the number one issue when when Maha was formed when when RFK Jr you know it was formed and it started what was the number one issue that Maha I mean kind of you know the the the the most significant issue that it was that it was known for as Maha started?
51:35
SPEAKER_02: Well I would say vaccines yes no question no question so so here's my question as we've watched Maha morph rank the issues i've got I've got five issues that you think are the most important for Maha food additives pharmaceuticals vaccines glyphosate or microplastics and I think by putting that list out there it absolutely does um it it does live create credence to your point that they're just moving on nothing to see here nothing to see here and they're giving up they're giving up their core they're giving up the mother ship to go out on lifeboats and and and fool around with with things that that are less whatever less significant and less controversial all in the name of politics.
52:50
SPEAKER_02: And so the fact that they've now yeah that now all their hoo-ha is about microplastics um is is pretty telling that they're they're moving away from the mothership on a lifeboat.
53:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah I mean I think it's pretty clear they let Kennedy pick some low-hanging fruit yeah you know people don't want artificial dyes moms don't want that and people want kids to have healthy meals in schools and the military to have healthy meals so low hanging fruit got picked and now it's time to quiet down because the other ones like we said are not winning issues for a midterm yeah yeah yeah and they're and they're not winning issues not because they aren't toward the truth they are winning issues because the American electorate electorate I say that the American electorate yeah is is is is ignorant negligent and asleep at the wheel on on these issues we uh you know I I remember Sally Fallon once saying uh that we don't need we don't need to convince everybody she said all we need is 10% of the people to really get behind us and if we do we'll um you know we'll we'll change things and um I'd love to think that Maha is over 10% of the population but if the polling says two to five percent that's that's still in that uh that lunatic fringe phase you know the lunatic the lunatic fringe is you know in the like three percent four percent and then you have the early adopters which gets you to 10% and then 90% are are followers.
54:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah well I would not be surprised if they skewed those numbers that they showed Trump you know um but Maha is definitely fractured you know they sufficiently did that yeah no question okay everybody there's your question rank the issues food additives pharmaceuticals vaccines glyphosate microplastic rank them uh what's the what's the the the what's the core branding of Maha uh one through five and uh let us know your thoughts thank you for listening uh to another Beyond Labels podcast and we will look forward to visiting with you again next week