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Man and girlfriend file teeth to a point, worship Satan, DEAD bodies in the backyard. · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Clime Stories with Nancy Grace. She made it so exciting.
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Speaker 1: You know, hey, I'm gonna come pick you up. We're
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Speaker 1: gonna come up here, and I want you to meet Puzzuzu.
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Speaker 1: I want your opinion on him. So okay, well that's cool.
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Speaker 1: We get up there and everything was fine until I
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Speaker 1: walked onto the front porch. The stinch just it was
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Speaker 1: like a smack to the face. It was so strong.
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Speaker 1: First thing I ever said to Puzzuzu when I'm at
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Speaker 1: him was Dude, your house smells like death, and he
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Speaker 1: kind of laughed, Oh, yeah, it's just the bodies in
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Speaker 1: the basement. Okay, I can imagine that laugh. You know,
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Speaker 1: once you smell a dead body, a human body, you
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Speaker 1: never forget it, and nobody really has to tell you
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Speaker 1: what it is. I mean, I see, Grace, this is
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Speaker 1: crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. You were
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Speaker 1: just hearing our friends at the Devil, you know on Viceland. Wow,
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Speaker 1: could they not have described it any better? What happened?
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Speaker 1: What happened in Clement's, North Carolina. Kendall Crown's joining US
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Speaker 1: pathologist Deputy medical Examiner in Travis County, Texas. That's in Austin.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Thank you so much for being with us. I'm
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Speaker 1: sure you perform more autopsies than you can even remember,
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Speaker 1: but nobody has to tell you when you smell a
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Speaker 1: dead body. Oh, yes, that's very true, Nancy. It has
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Speaker 1: a very distinct odor. You know, you can be driving
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Speaker 1: down the road and smell a horrible smell and know
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Speaker 1: that an animal has been run over. You know, it's
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Speaker 1: interesting to doctor Karen Stark psychologists joining me from Manhattan,
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Speaker 1: Karen on TV. It's also slick and airbrushed and edited
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Speaker 1: when you see these crime stories on TV. It's not
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Speaker 1: like that at all in real life. It's amazing to
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Speaker 1: me sometimes that people are so fascinated with murder. I
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Speaker 1: guess it's because they're not seeing the real thing, because
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Speaker 1: it's something you probably never want to see again. You
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Speaker 1: never want to be exposed to it, Nancy, and I
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Speaker 1: think that watching it on TV sometimes it coats over
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Speaker 1: the fact that it's as horrific as it really is,
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Speaker 1: because you don't smell it and you're not there to
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Speaker 1: get the details that you're describing. Leavi Page, who wasn't
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Speaker 1: that walked up to this front porch so unknowingly and
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Speaker 1: smell the smell of death. Who was that, Nancy. It
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Speaker 1: was neighbors and people that had been there. He had
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Speaker 1: a lot of parties and some of his friends had
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Speaker 1: also smelled the smell of death, and while they were there, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this guy bragged about killing people. But he was so
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Speaker 1: bizarre that people brushed it off and just thought that
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Speaker 1: he was kind of crazy. You know, how often is
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Speaker 1: that true? Joining me, Steve Lampley, Detective Steve Lambley, People
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Speaker 1: joke about bodies in the basement. I mean at Halloween,
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Speaker 1: I put an arm on the back of the minivan
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Speaker 1: and we decorate the house. Most people wouldn't think anything
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Speaker 1: of it when someone says I was just the dead
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Speaker 1: bodies in the basement, But for a detective like yourself,
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Speaker 1: that's a real giveaway. Well, Nancy, everything's taken seriously, of course,
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Speaker 1: But people do people do joke with police officer. You know, well,
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Speaker 1: don't don't. I did this and I did that. But oftentimes,
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Speaker 1: as in this case, it's not a joke and it
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Speaker 1: has to be taken seriously into, especially if you're talking
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Speaker 1: about somebody comes up to you and says, Hayley needs
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Speaker 1: to be looked into. You heard speaking a woman named
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Speaker 1: Katie Wagner Davis. And she's a friend of a woman
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Speaker 1: named Amber. She wanted Katie to come to Pazuzu's parties.
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Speaker 1: Let's just clear up the record here. Amber is a
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Speaker 1: woman around twenty eight twenty nine years old, and that
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Speaker 1: is Pazuzu's girlfriend. And isn't it odd to Ken Belkin
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Speaker 1: joining us today, renown criminal defense attorney in the New
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Speaker 1: York jurisdiction, Ken, why is it? You may give me
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Speaker 1: a different answer from what I'm thinking, But women are
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Speaker 1: so blind to what's wrong with their mate. I mean,
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Speaker 1: in nearly every child molestation I have ever prosecuted, and
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Speaker 1: this is a sorry story, the women side with the man,
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Speaker 1: even in the face of overwhelming evidence of molestation of
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Speaker 1: their own biological children. It's very hard for women when
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Speaker 1: they have this picture in their mind of the perfect relationship,
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Speaker 1: to see what's wrong with the guy? Hello has how
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Speaker 1: smells like a dead body? There's something wrong? But here
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Speaker 1: she is saying, Hey, I got a guy I want
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Speaker 1: you to meet. It's my boyfriend, Pezuzu Algarad. I mean,
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Speaker 1: have you ever have you ever had a client, Ken
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Speaker 1: Belkin that was blinded by love? Well, look, everyone's capacity
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Speaker 1: for self delusion is limited when it comes to the
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Speaker 1: significant number that they love the most. Take my golfer
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Speaker 1: for example, she has to overlook the fact that I
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Speaker 1: have a cat. Now that's not you know, it doesn't
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Speaker 1: relate to the situation here. But you know, people will
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Speaker 1: overlook these things. They will delude themselves. They will tell
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Speaker 1: lives for themselves, and the longer they tell these lives
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Speaker 1: to themselves, they will believe them. Well, it wasn't just
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Speaker 1: the girlfriend that was looking through rose tinted glasses. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at w XII twelve, This
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Speaker 1: is News reporter Talita Vickers. I spoke with a resident
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Speaker 1: who passes this home every single day on his morning walk.
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Speaker 1: He says that both suspects really kept to themselves and
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Speaker 1: finding out about the buried bodies in his neighborhood is alarming.
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Speaker 1: The walk to the school bus here every day. And
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Speaker 1: tell all that type of the sick behavior was very instant.
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Speaker 1: Godserving now the Prescith County Sheriff's Office, it did receive
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Speaker 1: a search warrant to not only search the backyard but
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Speaker 1: also the inside of this home here, and they tell
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Speaker 1: us that they are continuing to piece together evidence that
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Speaker 1: they found inside and outside of the home, again not
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Speaker 1: releasing what led them here. You know it's bad when
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Speaker 1: you've got cops digging through your trash in your backyard.
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Speaker 1: Can you look at your kitchen window and you see
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Speaker 1: the cops back there, something is very, very wrong. It's
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Speaker 1: not like when you pull up Ken Belkin, the arc
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Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney, to a red line and you see
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Speaker 1: a cop over in the corner arresting somebody for speeding
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Speaker 1: or didn't put on their blanker. When you see a
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Speaker 1: cop picking through your backyard, you better get on the
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Speaker 1: phone and call Ken Belkin. You know that's absolutely correct,
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Speaker 1: and more presently than not a lot of people will
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Speaker 1: call me because if you're at that stage of an
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Speaker 1: investigation where cops are in your backyard going through your trash,
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Speaker 1: more than likely an arrest. A search warrant was ordered
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Speaker 1: by a judge. So I mean detectives had to go
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Speaker 1: in front of a judge with a prosecutor, lay out
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Speaker 1: the probable cause for the search warrant, and get a
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Speaker 1: judge to sign off. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. My
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Speaker 1: name is Katie Wagner Davis and I met Amber in
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Speaker 1: high school. We were the best friends. In no time,
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Speaker 1: I saw my best friend do a complete total one eighty.
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Speaker 1: One day she's star bubbles. The next day she's not
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Speaker 1: showering and shaving all of her eyebrows off and filing
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Speaker 1: her teeth down to point so that she could bite
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Speaker 1: into these animals. And it's just no. Whenever I first
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Speaker 1: really started hearing about Pazuzu, we got a few phone
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Speaker 1: calls from her. Tell me that, you know, she really
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Speaker 1: likes this guy. He's really cool, he's satan. As she
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Speaker 1: would talk about these rituals, I guess Pazuzu would kill
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Speaker 1: an animal and drink the blood. I know that they
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Speaker 1: would cut each other open and drink each other's blood. Okay,
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Speaker 1: if I even heard that, I would turn and run
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Speaker 1: for the heels, as if I had seen a monster.
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Speaker 1: What why did she stick with him? That's my big question.
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Speaker 1: Right now, you are hearing our friends over advice on
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Speaker 1: the devil, you know, describing this cute little girl in
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Speaker 1: high school that suddenly shaves off her eyebrows, files her
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Speaker 1: teeth down to a point, and talks about drinking blood. Okay,
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Speaker 1: right at the quick showering, she had my attention right there,
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Speaker 1: you know, as much as I love you, Doctor Crown
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Speaker 1: and Ken bellk and Steve Lampley leave my page, Dartor
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Speaker 1: Karen start. I need a shrink, and I need it fast.
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Speaker 1: How does somebody go from just such an extreme from
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Speaker 1: zero to one eighty mph seemingly overnight, Nancy, There's something
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Speaker 1: that happens when you meet somebody who's exciting, even if
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Speaker 1: it's horriffic to us and we don't understand it, he's
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Speaker 1: appealing to a young girl. It's very cult like. Think
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Speaker 1: about Manson right. She sees him as being powerful, shiding
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Speaker 1: extraordinary schanic and for whatever is going on in her life.
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Speaker 1: We don't know her background, but there's something about him
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Speaker 1: that draws her to him. Karen, Karen, Karen, wait a
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Speaker 1: minute now. Now, if I were to see something dangerous,
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Speaker 1: I'd say, you know what, sea and be gone. But
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Speaker 1: I guess at a certain age in your life you're
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Speaker 1: more drawn to excitement. But biting the head off an
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Speaker 1: animal and drinking the blood, I don't know that I
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Speaker 1: would call that excitement. I would call that gruesome. I mean,
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Speaker 1: even a fifteen or sixteen year old girls should know that,
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Speaker 1: not necessarily, not when somebody's won you over. This is
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Speaker 1: really it's come like so it's blind attraction. It's just
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Speaker 1: whatever this guy is telling her, whatever is supposed to
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Speaker 1: be happening. As a result of drinking the blood, it
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Speaker 1: becomes a part of something that she sees as fine,
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Speaker 1: not thoristic anymore as exciting, shaving the eyebrows, the filing
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Speaker 1: the teeth to points, the drinking animal blood. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Ken Belkin, New York criminal defense attorney. Isn't killing an
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Speaker 1: animal and drinking it's a blood? Isn't there a crime?
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Speaker 1: Isn't that there a law? Is that? Oh? Yeah, you
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Speaker 1: could definitely be prosecuted for cruel data animal And believe me,
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Speaker 1: I know you would think it's not as common as
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Speaker 1: it is. It does get prosecuted. Crazy. Okay, listen to this.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't the only one that witnesses his peculiarities. Because
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Speaker 1: we learn about this quote. Troubled that is defense talk,
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Speaker 1: defense talk. Troubled that means doing wild, crazy, usually illegal things.
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Speaker 1: That's what troubled means. Troubled. High school dropout who changes
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Speaker 1: his name to Pazuzu from John to Pazuzu, making his
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Speaker 1: middle name Algarad his surname and adopting as his first name.
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Speaker 1: That the main demon in The Exorcist, in case you're
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Speaker 1: wondering who's Pezuzu, then brought Satanism to the suburbs. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's who this guy is. Now Jackie Howard is wildly
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Speaker 1: waiving a note to me. She's not concerned about the
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Speaker 1: drinking the animal blood. She's concerned that he had three
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Speaker 1: girl friends. Now, Jackie, I don't know, but you may
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Speaker 1: be projecting something that's happened in your past. I'm not
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Speaker 1: sure about that, but you seem to think that's much
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Speaker 1: worse than filing your teeth to points, shaving off your eyebrows,
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Speaker 1: and drinking animal blood. She's like, but he's got three
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Speaker 1: girlfriends and he's calling them all his fiance all right,
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Speaker 1: you know what that says to me? That says a
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Speaker 1: cult because you have multiple people following along with you,
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Speaker 1: basically like a Charles Manson of Clemens. I'm Sylvia le Beau.
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Speaker 1: I'm related to the situation just by being at the
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Speaker 1: wrong place at the wrong time. He had this thing
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Speaker 1: called fiances. He had several women followers, Dixie, Crystal, Amberer,
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Speaker 1: and he called them his fiances. That term has always
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Speaker 1: stuck with me fiances. He had the sense of power,
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Speaker 1: you know what, shaving your eyebrows and filing your teeth
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Speaker 1: to a point, it's not against the law. You can
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Speaker 1: deface yourself pretty much anyway you want to. But this
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Speaker 1: is where I have a problem for Scythe County Medical
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Speaker 1: Examiner's Office has identified this council remains that we're found
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Speaker 1: buried at this Clement's home on knob Hill Drive. The
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Speaker 1: first victim has been identified as Tommy Dean Welch born
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight. The second victim has been identified
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Speaker 1: as Joshua Frederick Wetsler. Wetsler was reported missing by his
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Speaker 1: son's mother. Stacy Carter says she had known Wetsler for
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Speaker 1: a decade before his disappearance. They had met in Washington
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Speaker 1: and moved to North Carolina planning to open a horse business.
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Speaker 1: Their son was born in two thousand and four. Carter
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Speaker 1: and Wessler eventually broke up. She tells me the last
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Speaker 1: time she's josh was in July two thousand and nine,
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Speaker 1: and that he was a very loving, caring father. So
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Speaker 1: when he stopped calling his son, she knew something was up,
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Speaker 1: but it didn't become unusual and he didn't call his
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Speaker 1: mother on his birthday, and he didn't contact his son
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Speaker 1: because he was a very loving father and he put
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Speaker 1: family first and his son first. Carter says she never
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Speaker 1: heard of or met Zuzu Algarad, Amber Birch or Crystal Matlock.
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Speaker 1: All three has been charged in connection in the case
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Speaker 1: crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Investigators say that the two
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Speaker 1: people who actually live at this home are suspected of
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Speaker 1: burying the bodies in a shallow graves. Were approaching the
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Speaker 1: twenty four hour mark and crime scene tape is up
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Speaker 1: and investigators remained on the scene, but thirty five year
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Speaker 1: old Pazuzu Algarad and twenty four year old Amber Birch
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Speaker 1: are now locked up they charges in connection to the
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Speaker 1: unidentified human remains. Both suspects, as I mentioned, live at
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Speaker 1: twenty seven forty nine knob Hill Drive in Clements where
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Speaker 1: the skeletal remains were found in shallow greens at the
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Speaker 1: back of this home. No word yet what led investigators
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Speaker 1: to search the property yesterday, but the Resith County Sheriff's Office,
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Speaker 1: along with the State Pier of Investigation could be seen
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Speaker 1: throughout the night securing the scene and collecting evidence. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing from our friends at w XII twelve news. That
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Speaker 1: was Talitha Vickers on the scene. Why you know, the
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Speaker 1: state never has to prove motive to a jury. But
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Speaker 1: why did these two guys go missing? And are they
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Speaker 1: in fact in this guy, Puzuzu Algarrod aka John Algard
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Speaker 1: Lawson's backyard? And also why did the girlfriend as a
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Speaker 1: matter of fact, not one, two, but three girlfriends stand by?
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Speaker 1: Did they know what was happening? Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friend Talitha at w x H twelve. When I
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Speaker 1: spoke with investigators with asythe County Sheriff's office, they told
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Speaker 1: me that they could not release yet what led them
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Speaker 1: to this home. However, they are confident that they have
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Speaker 1: the people involved with murdering and bearing the two victims
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Speaker 1: here at this home well the residence. Thirty five year
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Speaker 1: old Pazoozu Algirard and twenty four year old Amber Birch
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Speaker 1: remained locked up this morning, charge with one counts of
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Speaker 1: murder and one counts of accessory after the fact to murder.
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Speaker 1: Investigators believe the two are responsible for killing and bearing
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Speaker 1: two victims in shallow graves behind the hole where they live.
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Speaker 1: Investigators dug up the graves Sunday and transported the remains
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Speaker 1: to Wait Force Baptist Medical Center for positive identification. You
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Speaker 1: can see photos of this guy pass law algorad born
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Speaker 1: John Lawson at crime online dot com. And when you
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Speaker 1: see the dramatic transformation in his appearance. Have you guys
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Speaker 1: ever seen those ads on TV about what happens to
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Speaker 1: you when you use meth about your meth amthed mean,
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Speaker 1: how your face totally changes you suddenly. Look, you can
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Speaker 1: be nineteen years old and you look like you're fifty
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Speaker 1: five and you've been run over. That's the transformation you see.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact. Steve Lampley, detective joining us.
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Speaker 1: You know people when you're walking down the street, you
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Speaker 1: just see them and some type of instinct takes over
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Speaker 1: and you go to the other side of the street.
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Speaker 1: That's this guy. If you take a look at him,
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Speaker 1: that's him, Jackie. Have you seen his picture? I mean
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Speaker 1: you would totally I would pull the twins away and go, okay,
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Speaker 1: getting the car lot the door, getting the car lot
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Speaker 1: the door. Yeah, and Nancy, well that's what he wanted.
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Speaker 1: Apparently from the articles and information that I have, he
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Speaker 1: wanted to create that environment. He wanted to create that alarm.
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Speaker 1: He wanted to bring Satanism to that small community. So
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Speaker 1: that was right down his values. For people to do that,
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Speaker 1: he would the shock factor. From what I understand, and
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Speaker 1: you know too, doctor Karen Start, psychologist, I always refer
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Speaker 1: to hunches and gut feelings, and I do not think
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Speaker 1: that they are taken seriously enough because I believe that
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Speaker 1: hunches are born over thousands of years of evolution. I
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Speaker 1: think your body is like a giant computer, beyond any
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Speaker 1: AI yet created, where you smell something, you sense something,
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Speaker 1: you hear something, you feel a shift in the wind.
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Speaker 1: Your body as beyond any radar or sonar yet created.
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Speaker 1: And when you have a hunch, you should follow it
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Speaker 1: because your body, your mind, your senses that you can't
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Speaker 1: even identify, are telling you something. Your instincts are correct, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: That's what a hunches. A hunches about an instinct of
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Speaker 1: feeling that something is wrong. And we're picking up on
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Speaker 1: all kinds of information inside of our brains that we're
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Speaker 1: not aware of, and you should pay attention. And what's
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Speaker 1: fascinating is there were no hunches when it came to
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Speaker 1: these Beyonces because they found him intriguing. This was a cult,
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Speaker 1: so they were able to be under his spell. But
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Speaker 1: what's interesting is that people around him were ignoring what
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Speaker 1: was happening despite their hunches. Guys, the one thing Pazuzu
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Speaker 1: feared was going to jail because he was afraid he
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Speaker 1: couldn't do his blood rituals every month on the Dark Moon.
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Speaker 1: Talk about cruel and unusual punishment to doctor Kendall Crowns,
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Speaker 1: joining US Deputy and me and Travis County, Texas. He
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Speaker 1: is a pathologist, doctor Crowns, how do you determine cause
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Speaker 1: of death? When a body has been buried, time has
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Speaker 1: gone by, the body has decomposed, how do you manage
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Speaker 1: to ferret out the truth? So depending on how much
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Speaker 1: decomposition has occurred, if you still have organs left, you
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Speaker 1: can still even though they've decomposed quite a bit, you
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Speaker 1: can still find injuries in the organs that can help
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Speaker 1: you determine cause of death and even natural disease processes.
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Speaker 1: If they've decomposed so much that they've become skeletons and
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Speaker 1: there's no tissue left whatsoever, we can still look at
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Speaker 1: the bones and find injuries on the bones like fractures,
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Speaker 1: and traumatic injuries like stab wounds and gunshot wounds, things
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Speaker 1: of that nature, where we can still make the determination
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Speaker 1: that this person did indeed to high of trauma. And
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Speaker 1: of course, with a bullet wound, you look for an entry.
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Speaker 1: If there's not an exit, you may very well find
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Speaker 1: the bullet in the body. Doctor Browns, have you ever
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Speaker 1: had to work on a body that had already begun
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Speaker 1: to decompose. Yes, I've had to do autopsies on decompost
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Speaker 1: cases thousands of times, and skeleton cases for that matter.
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Speaker 1: Now when you say skeleton cases, what do you mean
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Speaker 1: by that, Doctor Crowns. I could listen to you talk
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Speaker 1: about medical examination all day long. Now you've got me
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Speaker 1: interested about how you perform an autopsy on a skeletonized body.
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Speaker 1: How do you do that? So when the remains are
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Speaker 1: brought in, what we'll do is we'll do an X
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Speaker 1: ray or a CT scan where we'll look for any
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Speaker 1: lead or anything like that from a bullet or a
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Speaker 1: knife that's still in the bony remains. Then we'll take
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Speaker 1: the remains out of the bag and we'll sort through
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Speaker 1: them and we'll arrange them anatomically and determine how many
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Speaker 1: bones we have, if there's any missing, etc. And then
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, doctor Crown's question, can you, and don't
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Speaker 1: be modest, can you look at a bone and just
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Speaker 1: looking at it and know where it goes on the body. Oh, yes,
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Speaker 1: there's certain there's certain marks on the bones that you
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Speaker 1: can determine if it's right or left. And Okay, we're
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Speaker 1: all extremely impressed here in the studio. This may be
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Speaker 1: child's play to you, But the thought that you could
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Speaker 1: look at a bone and know exactly where it goes
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Speaker 1: on the human body, I've always been really curious. I
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Speaker 1: was thinking about I can't remember what case it was.
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Speaker 1: It may have been Kelly Anthony top Mom's daughter, where
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Speaker 1: the cops and the medical examine or investigators were out
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Speaker 1: late into the night trying to find all of her
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Speaker 1: over two hundred bones so the medical examiner could put
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Speaker 1: them together. I guess to you, it's like you know
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Speaker 1: a lot of people baking a cake. You put in
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Speaker 1: the flower, you put in the sugar, blah blah, then
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Speaker 1: you have a cake. You can look at a bone
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Speaker 1: and tell where it goes in a body. Another question,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns and believe or not. After all the
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Speaker 1: years I have prosecuted homicides and covered them, I've never
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Speaker 1: asked this, Doctor Crowns. When you have a case where
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Speaker 1: the body has begun to decompose, and, like the visitor said,
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Speaker 1: the stinch was unbearable, how do you perform the autopsy
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Speaker 1: with the smell of decomposition? How do you do that?
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Speaker 1: It con cly What we always tell people is you
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Speaker 1: breathe through your mouth, not your nose, and you don't
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Speaker 1: smell the smell as much, and then if you don't
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Speaker 1: leave the room, you can come basically nose blind to
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Speaker 1: it over time. For myself in particular, my older brother
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Speaker 1: knocks me around a few times that I I've had
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Speaker 1: head trauma and I have never really been able to
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Speaker 1: smell all that well. So I was uniquely suited for
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Speaker 1: this line of work because of that. Okay, I'm totally
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Speaker 1: stealing your life from my next murder mystery novel, because Jackie,
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Speaker 1: please write this down. I've never heard of that before.
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Speaker 1: A perfect job for you. I was just wondering if
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Speaker 1: medical examiners use some type of a head covering or
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Speaker 1: a mask or something so the d comp doesn't just
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Speaker 1: overwhelm them. I've seen cops and I actually am writing
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Speaker 1: about this and my next fiction book where a rookie
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Speaker 1: cop goes to a crime scene there's d comp and
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Speaker 1: he actually just starts vomiting because the smell is so overwhelming.
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Speaker 1: You know, he's getting lost in the sauce right now,
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Speaker 1: And it's my fault. Joshua Retzler and Tommy Welch, who
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Speaker 1: for no known reason lose their life to a man
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Speaker 1: who says his goal in life is to be a demon.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace Amber Birch's involvement in the
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Speaker 1: murders and their proper burials of two men at this
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Speaker 1: Clement's home began in July of two thousand and nine.
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Speaker 1: Detectives say the first victim was Joshua Wetsler. He'd been
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Speaker 1: living in the home of devil Worshiper pursues you Algarad
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Speaker 1: until Algarad shot and killed him and hit his body
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Speaker 1: in the basement. Algarrod called Birch his girlfriend, and she
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Speaker 1: came up from South Carolina to help bury Wetsler. When
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Speaker 1: josh and Tommy were discovered, the dam with the families
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Speaker 1: and they told us they were going to fill us
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Speaker 1: in on everything that was going to happen at the trial.
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Speaker 1: And I'd spend two and a half years since they
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Speaker 1: found josh and all this time, you know, we kept
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Speaker 1: asking when is there going to be an indictment, when
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Speaker 1: is there going to be a trial, and we never
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Speaker 1: were contacted with any information. Finally, two years after the
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Speaker 1: bodies were found in the backyard at not Hell amber Burg,
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Speaker 1: she takes a plea deal and finally appears in court
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Speaker 1: to answer for what she's done. You're hearing our friends
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Speaker 1: at Viceland and the Devil, you know, and they are
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Speaker 1: talking about a guy whose lifelong goal it wasn't to
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Speaker 1: win the Olympics, It wasn't to be president of the bank.
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Speaker 1: It was to be a demon and he named himself
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Speaker 1: after a demon in The Exorcist. Pizzuzu Algarod born John
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Speaker 1: Lawson charged in the murders of Joshua Wretzler and Tommy Welch.
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Speaker 1: But what about Amanda Birch and Crystal Matlocke Are they
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Speaker 1: both his quote fiances to leave by Page Crime online
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Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter. Who are these women, Amanda Birch
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Speaker 1: and Crystal Matlock And what if anything did they have
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Speaker 1: to do with the murders. Amber Birch was his girlfriend, Nancy,
25:48
Speaker 1: And this guy wanted to emulate Charles Manson, so he
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Speaker 1: collected women to join this cult and that's what they did,
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Speaker 1: and they were his accessories. His other fiance that he
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Speaker 1: called her, twenty eight year old Crystal Matlock. She was
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Speaker 1: accused of helping him in birch Bury the bodies and
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Speaker 1: she was charged as an accessory after the fact. Wow,
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Speaker 1: you know, you would think that there were plenty of
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Speaker 1: red flags with a guy who's apparently lifelong dream is
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Speaker 1: to be a demon. Well, guess what there were. Al
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Speaker 1: Gerard was arrested in two ten and charged with accessory
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Speaker 1: after the fact in the murder of Joseph Chandler, a
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Speaker 1: legally blind man from Clemens whose body was found at
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Speaker 1: Donna Park in Yakin County June seven, twenty ten. Four
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Speaker 1: years later, al Gerard here is apparently back behind bars
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Speaker 1: along with Birch at the First Sithe County Detention Center.
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Speaker 1: Both are charged with one count of murder and one
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Speaker 1: count of accessory after the fact to murder. They're also
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Speaker 1: being held without bond. The skeletal remains have been taken
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Speaker 1: to Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center for a positive identification
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Speaker 1: and further examination. You were hearing our friend again to
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Speaker 1: Letha Vickers there at w XII. To kim belcom New
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Speaker 1: York criminal defense attorney, kN what is accessory after the fact?
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Speaker 1: Escessory after the fact is when you take part in
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Speaker 1: the cover up in the crime, usually, or you know,
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Speaker 1: you undertake some sort of efforts to assist in the
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Speaker 1: person who committed the crime, sort of evading detection, avating consequences.
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Speaker 1: It was curious to me, Steve Lampley, detective joining us today,
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Speaker 1: that no motive has ever been revealed. And again, as
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Speaker 1: kim belcol will back me up on this, the States
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Speaker 1: never required to prove motive in any case, but for
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Speaker 1: practical reasons, the jury wants to hear why they want
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Speaker 1: to make it all fit together, Levi Page, Was there
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Speaker 1: any motive that we could discern? There was no motive, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: other than this guy was just dark. That's the best
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Speaker 1: way that I can describe him. That's the most polite way.
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Speaker 1: I guess it would be for the same reason that
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Speaker 1: he killed animals and drink their blood. Why, I guess
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Speaker 1: the answer to that is why ask why to Leavi
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Speaker 1: Page investigative reporter. I'm just very curious as to with
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Speaker 1: all of these red flags, including being connected to a
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Speaker 1: prior death of a blind man, how is a self
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Speaker 1: proclaimed demon worshiper Pazuzu Algarette able to get away with
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Speaker 1: all of these crimes for so long? And were there
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Speaker 1: tips to police about the bodies or anything else. Well,
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Speaker 1: this is what happened, Nancy. He was arrested in twenty ten.
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Speaker 1: He was charged with accessory after the fact for the
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Speaker 1: shooting death of Joseph Chandler, that blind person. He let
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Speaker 1: the killer of that man stay in his home where
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Speaker 1: these wild, disgusting parties were going on, and he played
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Speaker 1: guilty and was sentenced to probation, and he went back
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Speaker 1: to the home. And in twenty ten his home was
28:54
Speaker 1: actually searched and they discovered this huge mess, you know,
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Speaker 1: animal defication, human defication. People would relieve themselves all over
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Speaker 1: the place. It was trashed, and they never found those
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Speaker 1: bodies in the backyard until people that partied with him
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Speaker 1: complained to the police and said, this guy has bragged
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Speaker 1: about killing people. It smells of death in the home.
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Speaker 1: And then police went back and then they dug up
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Speaker 1: the bodies of those missing young men in their early thirties.
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Speaker 1: But my question is all that is accurate, But how
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Speaker 1: did he get away for so long with this type
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Speaker 1: of behavior. I think because he was so crazy, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that people didn't take him seriously, if that makes sense.
29:39
Speaker 1: They's rantings about killing people. I mean, this guy has
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Speaker 1: even while in jail, he has said that he killed
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Speaker 1: sex workers, prostitutes, that he's killed more people than has
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Speaker 1: been attributed to him that he had been charged with.
29:54
Speaker 1: And I think people chalked it up to this is
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Speaker 1: just the rantings of a madman and did not take
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Speaker 1: it seriously. And then when they did come to search
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Speaker 1: the home, they found nothing. Yes, and I think that
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Speaker 1: that can be chocked up because they didn't do a
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Speaker 1: thorough job of searching the home. How do you miss
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Speaker 1: two dead bodies in the backyard. Cadaver dogs would have
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Speaker 1: found that. You know what, You're right, But at the
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Speaker 1: time two thousand and ten, did they have reason to
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Speaker 1: bring cadaver dogs? Well, I think that if if your
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Speaker 1: home is like this and there's people saying this guy
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Speaker 1: has bragged about killing people, his home smells like death,
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Speaker 1: that could have been probable caused a brain Well, I agree,
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Speaker 1: I agree, But in two thousan ten, I don't know
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Speaker 1: that people were saying it smells like death, because when
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Speaker 1: were the two victims, Joshua Wrestler and Tommy Welch murdered?
30:38
Speaker 1: What date in two thousand and nine is when they
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Speaker 1: went missing? They were reported missing in two thousand and nine,
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Speaker 1: and they were apparently killed inside of his home according
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Speaker 1: to his co conspirators. Well, you know what, then you
30:49
Speaker 1: may be right that cadaver dogs would have found that,
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Speaker 1: and that this stench of death was already there. To
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Speaker 1: Karen Stark, psychologists joining us out of Manhattan, Karen, why
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Speaker 1: do you believe that this guy, a self professed damon
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Speaker 1: Bazuzu Algarad got away with his crimes for so long?
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Speaker 1: But I think that what we're talking about is that
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Speaker 1: the police did not do a thorough enough job. Nancy,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. Was it that he was so bizarre
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Speaker 1: that they thought that it must be a joke? It
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Speaker 1: It doesn't make a lot of sense. There's something that
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Speaker 1: was missing because if other people were smelling death and
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Speaker 1: the police show up there, and why didn't they bring
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Speaker 1: the dogs? Why didn't they smell that. How come they
31:36
Speaker 1: didn't do a thorough enough search. Something went wrong with
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Speaker 1: the justice in this case. I'm thinking to you Ken Melko,
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Speaker 1: new York criminal defense attorney, about one of the three fiances,
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Speaker 1: Amber Birch. She was sentenced to forty years up to
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Speaker 1: forty years for shooting Joshua Wessler. Do you see similarities
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Speaker 1: between her case and the Manson murders. I do see similarities.
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Speaker 1: You know, this is this is a young woman who's
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Speaker 1: taken in by a Kara's type psychopair an influenced arguably
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Speaker 1: to do, but have never done otherwise. I couldn't draw
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Speaker 1: a closer line to it than that, except for the
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Speaker 1: fact that you know, Manson looked slightly more normal than
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Speaker 1: this guy. Yeah, you know what, You're right to leave
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Speaker 1: I page. Who do they believe actually pulled the trigger?
32:23
Speaker 1: So he is the one that pulled the triggers. They
32:26
Speaker 1: were actually inside of his home when these murders happened.
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Speaker 1: They were regulars in his home, They parted with him,
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Speaker 1: and he is the one that shot him. And then
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Speaker 1: his girlfriends actually came in after the fact and helped
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Speaker 1: him bury and dispose of these bodies. But here's the thing, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Law enforcement has said that these bodies were inside of
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Speaker 1: his home for weeks before they actually buried them in
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Speaker 1: the backyard. So he was living inside of this house
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Speaker 1: with dead bodies in there for weeks. That's how demented
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Speaker 1: that he is. You know what, there's actually no telling
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Speaker 1: what he did to those bodies. To doctor Kendall Crowns,
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Speaker 1: joining US Pathologist Deputy Medical Examiner Travis County, Texas, Doctor
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Speaker 1: Crowns would, even if a body has been decomposing, would
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Speaker 1: you be able to determine if, for instance, satanic rituals
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Speaker 1: were done on the bodies. Oh, of course. Sometimes when
33:21
Speaker 1: you get mutilation of the bodies for rituals or for whatever,
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Speaker 1: you can still tell even with decompositions. Occasionally the maggots
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Speaker 1: will come in and they'll they'll eat away at the wounds,
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Speaker 1: but you'll still be able to tell that it's traumatic
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Speaker 1: in nature. Question to you leave page, investigative reporter, what
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Speaker 1: do authorities believe was the motive behind the killings? They
33:45
Speaker 1: actually don't know the motive behind the killings. This guy
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Speaker 1: apparently was so demented, Nancy and was so attracted to
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Speaker 1: the dark side. I mean, if you've looked at his home.
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Speaker 1: There's trash everywhere. He allowed people to defecate in urinee
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Speaker 1: inside the home and made his dogs clean it up.
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Speaker 1: This home was in such a mess, Nancy, that it
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Speaker 1: had to be demolished. Nobody could live in that home.
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Speaker 1: After he and his girlfriends were arrested. They think that
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Speaker 1: this is just someone that was just absolutely demented for
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Speaker 1: no reason at all. He was just attracted to the
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Speaker 1: dark side. You know, I'm wondering if he believed that
34:27
Speaker 1: in order to truly become a demon he had to
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Speaker 1: commit a murderer. Well, you may be if not happy
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Speaker 1: relieved to note that he was so disturbed about not
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Speaker 1: being able to perform his blood rituals behind bars on
34:44
Speaker 1: the quote dark moon each month he committed suicide. He
34:49
Speaker 1: had always promised that he would bite his finger to
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Speaker 1: the bone and then puncture and artery. He actually did
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Speaker 1: bleed out behind bars, we think from a self inflicted wound. Well,
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Speaker 1: Pasuzu algorid aka John Lawson. I don't think you're going
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Speaker 1: to be missed, Nancy Grace, Crime Stories signing off and ps,
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Speaker 1: I think I know where you are. You wanted to
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Speaker 1: be a demon, well right now, you're having dinner with demons.
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friends,